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Title: Upgrade to Windows 11
Post by: baldo on February 27, 2022, 11:59:39 am
I have to upgrade my OS to Windows 11 from windows 7.  I assume that I can use the same licence that I have and dont need to buy a new one.  IS this correct?

I also assume that MC28 will work with Windows 11.
Title: Re: Upgrade to Windows 11
Post by: Matt on February 27, 2022, 12:03:23 pm
Correct on both.
Title: Re: Upgrade to Windows 11
Post by: Awesome Donkey on February 27, 2022, 12:06:16 pm
Before you commit to upgrading to Windows 11, you should check to make sure your PC's hardware is capable of supporting Windows 11's hardware and security requirements first. If it doesn't meet the hardware and security requirements upgrading to Windows 10 is probably the best recommendation here.

Here's a tool that can help you with this: https://github.com/rcmaehl/WhyNotWin11/

I would NOT recommend upgrading to Windows 11 if your hardware doesn't meet the hardware, TPM 2.0 and/or secure boot requirements. Microsoft is going to start cracking down on users using Windows 11 on unsupported hardware soon.
Title: Re: Upgrade to Windows 11
Post by: Gl3nn on February 28, 2022, 12:07:23 pm
Microsoft is going to start cracking down on users using Windows 11 on unsupported hardware soon.

Is there an announcement of this somewhere? I haven't read that.
Title: Re: Upgrade to Windows 11
Post by: Awesome Donkey on February 28, 2022, 12:14:42 pm
Is there an announcement of this somewhere? I haven't read that.

https://www.windowslatest.com/2022/02/22/microsoft-is-testing-a-desktop-watermark-for-unsupported-windows-11-pcs/
Title: Re: Upgrade to Windows 11
Post by: Gl3nn on February 28, 2022, 06:10:41 pm
Thanks. Seems like that will alienate a bunch of folks.

One of our 5-year-old machines at first failed the upgrade due to TPM but, interestingly enough, Asus (in this case) had a very recent BIOS upgrade that made everything good.

If TPM is the only showstopper it might be worthwhile to check w/ the motherboard manufacturer.
Title: Re: Upgrade to Windows 11
Post by: Awesome Donkey on March 01, 2022, 03:26:05 am
Thanks. Seems like that will alienate a bunch of folks.

I kinda doubt it, enforcing TPM 2.0 and secure boot pretty much already did that. Anyone who installs Windows 11 on unsupported hardware should have accepted that risk knowing that Microsoft could/would add deterrents and nags to running Windows 11 on unsupported hardware. So it doesn't come to any surprise to me, and I don't recommend running Windows 11 on unsupported hardware at all. For those PCs I'd recommend updating to the latest Windows 10 build. However if you do decide to install or upgrade to Windows 11 on unsupported hardware and ignore the warnings you're basically on your own.
Title: Re: Upgrade to Windows 11
Post by: woollies66 on March 01, 2022, 08:43:51 am
Hi

There are published registry hacks for both TPM and Processor checks. Microsoft publishes a disclaimer regarding "not assuming responsibility for any damage / loss of data....." I applied the reg fix to 3 machines (ranging from 10 > 4 years old with Exeon. i3 & i7 processors) installed windows 11 on them without issues. Running for about 6 months perfectly.

google "windows 11 tpm registry bypass" and "windows 11 processor registry bypass" , there are loads of easy to follow "how to guides"
It will save you having to upgrade Motherboard and potentially your processor.

Regards

Woollies66
Title: Re: Upgrade to Windows 11
Post by: Awesome Donkey on March 01, 2022, 09:24:32 am
Yes, I'm well aware that you can bypass the checks, that doesn't mean you should though. My first point was that Microsoft is actively making it more difficult to run Windows 11 on unsupported hardware. My second point was to those who decide to install Windows 11 on unsupported hardware need to accept the risk (and potential likelihood) that Microsoft could prevent Windows 11 from working at any time.

That's why I don't personally recommend anyone running Windows 11 on unsupported hardware, because who knows what issues could arise for it. Windows 10 is perfectly fine and capable for those PCs and is being supported for years to come.
Title: Re: Upgrade to Windows 11
Post by: HPBEME on March 01, 2022, 07:52:14 pm
My custom machine may be 10 years old, but it still kicks ass.  Being forced to upgrade all my hardware (well, the mobo and cpu anyway) just to install Windows 11 is extremely unappealing and an expense I don't care to absorb. I have yet to take the plunge, but I certainly understand the desire to use the registry hacks to do so.

AD, I understand your point that Windows 10 will continue to work for a few more years (MS support through October 2025 to be exact), but IMO it is the ugliest OS Microsoft has ever released (but admittedly, the most robust and best organized). I simply dislike the overall flat appearance of the interface… for me, flat is just a synonym for BOR-ING.  No offense to those who like it, but there is a contingent of us who like a little eye candy in their GUI.  Windows 11 is not drastically different looking than 10, but at least it gets rid of those god-awful flat color tiles behind the icons! To me, that alone makes upgrading to Windows 11 worthwhile.

I am happy to see that woollies66 experience has been positive and over a six-month period to boot.  I may very well "accept the risk" and install it myself using said registry hacks.
Title: Re: Upgrade to Windows 11
Post by: sygnus21 on March 03, 2022, 10:42:34 am
Yes, I'm well aware that you can bypass the checks, that doesn't mean you should though. My first point was that Microsoft is actively making it more difficult to run Windows 11 on unsupported hardware. My second point was to those who decide to install Windows 11 on unsupported hardware need to accept the risk (and potential likelihood) that Microsoft could prevent Windows 11 from working at any time.

That's why I don't personally recommend anyone running Windows 11 on unsupported hardware, because who knows what issues could arise for it. Windows 10 is perfectly fine and capable for those PCs and is being supported for years to come.

As one who is running Windows 11 on both a supported, and unsupported machine, I can say the unsupported machine (2017 Lenovo laptop) works fairly well (for now). The only thing that makes my Lenovo "unsupported" is NOT TPM, but my i7-7600U CPU. 

That said, I do agree with @Awesome Donkey, that Microsoft could make things riskier down the road. With that, if you're a novice with one PC, you might hold off on 11.  On the other hand, if you're a tinkerer as I am and willing to take the risk, give 11 a try.

For me, my fully supported Windows 11 machine is running JRiver Media Center 28 just fine, and without any issues. In short, no Win 11/MC compatibility issues here :)