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Networks and Remotes => Media Network => Topic started by: JimH on December 25, 2009, 07:46:20 am
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I'm starting this thread to keep track of TV's that support the DLNA protocol. Please add to it if you can.
These TV's have a network connection so you can put them on your home network.
Samsung 7 series (http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-LN52A750-52-Inch-1080p-Touch/dp/B001418WF4/&tag=wwwjrmediacen-20) -- price at Best Buy is around $1500.
Sony Bravia W series -- may not be in stores in U.S. yet
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Pioneer Kuro PDP-LX5090H, available in 50" and 60".
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newegg has two of the Sonys available
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My folks have just bought a Panasonic Viera which supports it.
We're intending to try and hook MC up to it later this week
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newegg has two of the Sonys available
Thanks. Here's a 40 inch Sony Bravia TV (model KDL-40Z5100) for $1119:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16889252082&cm_re=sony_bravia-_-89-252-082-_-Product
and a 46 inch Bravia for $1329 (KDL-46W5100)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16889252078&cm_re=sony_bravia-_-89-252-078-_-Product
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I bought a Samsung 750 series about 3 months ago , what is this DLNA all bout?
thanks
TC
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You can play from MC to the TV. Please take a look at DLNA (http://wiki.jrmediacenter.com/index.php/DLNA) on our Wiki.
If you have questions after reading, post here and I'll see if I can fix the Wiki.
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I have a Samsung series 6 LCD (LA32B650) which does support DLNA. I am still yet to get it working though. Looking forward to the day when MC can stream directly to it.
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I have a Samsung series 6 LCD (LA32B650) which does support DLNA. I am still yet to get it working though. Looking forward to the day when MC can stream directly to it.
I was told that the series 7 was the first to support DLNA.
Edit:
Apparently bad information. The Samsung web site says that it is DLNA certified:
Samsung LA32B650 (http://www.samsung.com/au/consumer/tv-audio-video/television/lcd-tv/LA32B650T1FXXY/index.idx?pagetype=prd_detail)
Make sure you try the latest build from the top of the MC board. We can probably get it going if you'll help.
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Cool,
It works with the Samsung software that came with the TV but that doesn't allow browsing the media via the tags (i.e. Genre, Series etc.)
It doesn't have a nice front end like MC but at least if I can browse via categories it would be better than what I have.
Is there anyway to get the JR Theatre view displayed on the TV over the ethernet. (I don't think so but just thought I'd ask)
Last night I tried build 118 on my Windows 7 Laptop and selected the Generic DLNA server option in MC. The TV was able to see the folders but evertime I went into the folder the TV dropped out of MediaPlay and back to normal viewing.
Do you want me to capture some logs to send in?
Brian
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Try a few of the MC UPnP Server options. Try DLNA and then modify it.
We would need a "sniff" of the traffic from a "sniffer" program. Wireshark is what we use.
Thanks for letting us know what you've found.
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I have captured a comms trace using wireshark between my Windows 7 MC DLNA server and the TV. Setting is the default Generic DLNA running on the default port (2870). The only things I changed were checked shrink large images, selected never to convert audio (The encoder was MP3).
Using the above I am able to browse the categories of all media types i.e. Audio, Images, Video as defined in the MC tree views. I can even see the thumbnail images of my pictures (jpg) and embedded coverart on the mp3's BUT when I go to play/view any of the files a message box appears on the TV saying "Unsupported File Type". This is the same message for all media types.
This is a step further than I was getting with the earlier build (.111)
I can't see how to send the log file in. Is there a FTP site or email address to get it to you.
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I've got a Sony KDL-55XBR8 (named KDL-55X4500 in my country) that is supposed to have DLNA.
It is not working with MC14 (build 118).
But apparently Sony TVs are reported in forums to behave strange regarding DLNA.
The only server i was able to stream to my Sony is ps3mediaserver ( http://code.google.com/p/ps3mediaserver/ ).
This (free of charge) server is written in Java and has sourcecode available.
Might be interesting for your developers.
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I've got a Sony KDL-55XBR8 (named KDL-55X4500 in my country) that is supposed to have DLNA.
It is not working with MC14 (build 118).
But apparently Sony TVs are reported in forums to behave strange regarding DLNA.
The only server i was able to stream to my Sony is ps3mediaserver ( http://code.google.com/p/ps3mediaserver/ ).
This (free of charge) server is written in Java and has sourcecode available.
Might be interesting for your developers.
I just read a post about the ps3mediaserver that said it worked with a wired connection, but not with a wireless connection.
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Try mailing it to bob at jriver with a link or copy of your post. Thanks.
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Try mailing it to bob at jriver with a link or copy of your post. Thanks.
I have mailed as an attachment to [removed]. Hope this is correct.
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Hi JimH,
I know these things take time but just wondering if you had received my wireshark trace and whether it contains useful information or you need more.
Regards
Brian
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We're off this week for the holidays. It will be Monday or Tuesday before we know anything.
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No worries, Enjoy the break 8)
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Hi MC team,
Just wondering if you have had a chance to analyse the logs for my Samsung DLNA issue. Build 121 allows me to browse my library via the MC view schemes, I can even see thumbnails of coverart but when I select to play any of the media types I always get the same message on the tv. i.e. "Media Type Not Supported".
Is it possible this is a MC transcoding issue?
Any help appreciated
Thanks
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Panasonic Viera (http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=55663.0) is working for audio and images with build 121.
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I can see Windows 7, but its slow, clunky and does not allow tags. I can see the media server, but nothing plays at all (says media not supported)
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Panasonic Viera (http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=55663.0) is working for audio and images with build 121.
We tried this tonight on my folks Viera. Latest Build of MC14.
The TV found the DLNA server fine, and we could view the audio files. However when trying to play the files the TV displayed the message
"File Not Supported".
The audio files were all Mp3. I tried playing with conversion settings but it didn't help.
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Same for me - I find DLNA basically useless with my samsung TV.
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I've made some changes in the next build of 15 (this will be 15.0.17 or greater) after doing much searching for the differences with the Samsung tv's.
Under advanced options in the DLNA options, turn on DLNAExtra.
Report back please.
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I've made some changes in the next build of 15 (this will be 15.0.17 or greater) after doing much searching for the differences with the Samsung tv's.
Under advanced options in the DLNA options, turn on DLNAExtra.
Report back please.
Is this likely to help with the Panasonic to?
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Is this likely to help with the Panasonic too?
I think it's possible, lets say a %60 chance.
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15.0.17 has some changes that should work with Samsung TV's:
http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=56784.0
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In DLNA options, is the "support video" checkbox on for your server? Does video show up under customize views? Are you using the current version?
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I was running 15.0.23 that I downloaded on 4/15, but now I am running 15.0.28. Nothing changed after the upgrade. Yes, the "support video" option is checked and video also shows up under the customize views.
I still do not see the MC15 server listed under the video section on my TV. The Sony menu is a little weird. It has 3 different categories for Photo, Music and Video. Once you select a category it lists all the available servers for that media type. For my windows computers and PlayOn server, they show up under all 3 categories, but my MC15 server only shows up under Photo and Music. When looking under the Photo and Music categories I can still browse all the various views, it just only shows media items for that specific category. So I can see the Video views when browsing Photo and Music, but just can't see any of the items.
In DLNA options, is the "support video" checkbox on for your server? Does video show up under customize views? Are you using the current version?
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I think it's possible, lets say a %60 chance.
Sadly still no go with with the Viera.
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Sadly still no go with with the Viera.
Can you tell me what works and doesn't?
Start with all conversions turned off and test with just mp3's, jpgs and mpeg2 videos if you have them.
With and without the DLNAExtra flag enabled if you have time.
Thanks...
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Can you tell me what works and doesn't?
Start with all conversions turned off and test with just mp3's, jpgs and mpeg2 videos if you have them.
With and without the DLNAExtra flag enabled if you have time.
Thanks...
The TV finds the server no problem. I can then navigate through audio/video no problem.
I can see all the files no problem.
When trying to play an MP3 the TV reports "File not supported".
Turning DLNAExtra on or off, with or without DLNA does not help.
We've tried MKV's and VOB files to the same effect.
Unfortunately I don't get to visit my folks as much as I'd like any more, and when I do it's rarely for more than a weekend.
Tonight it's just for one evening, so I can't do much more testing at present.
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I've contacted Panasonic to see if they can help.
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Thanks!
It really helps to actually have a device to work with.
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I split some posts on Sony Bravia (http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=57364.0) to a new thread.
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I've contacted Panasonic to see if they can help.
Bob I've copied you into an email convo I've been having with Panasonic.
Hopefully they might shed some light on the situation.
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It works on my Philips 8404. Tversity and Orb (Winamp remote) also work fine on it. Tversity is still the simplest, because you get an app that helps you along easily with all the settings. Hope JRiver, or someone clever will make a nice app like Tversity, for all the dumbasses like me, who have endlesss problems figuring out firewalls and routers and so on. Also, if someone could make an app for Android, that includes folder browsing, I will bow down, kiss their feet and declare him/her God. Anyway, a Philips 8000 or 9000 series TV is be able to play this.
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bump
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My LG 42LE5900 supports DNLA however I have not found the correct setting in MJ15 to get it to work. TV came with an OEM version of Nero MediaHome (hate that software) but I would like to use MJ.
John
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MJ15 won't work. There isn't one yet.
Are you using MJ14? Or MC15?
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I am using MJ15 Jim build 95
John
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I suppose you mean MC, not MJ.
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I suppose you mean MC, not MJ.
:o OOps.. :o
Yeah, MC Jim.. Should really refrain from surfing while on the Guinness..
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My LG 42LE5900 supports DNLA however I have not found the correct setting in MC15 to get it to work. TV came with an OEM version of Nero MediaHome (hate that software) but I would like to use MC
You'll probably want to update to the latest build (15.0.101)
Then start with the generic DLNA server. In the Media Network advanced options turn on DLNAExtra, make sure the subtitle checkbox is off, turn off all audio, image and video conversions.
Once that's working on your TV you can try the options.
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Cheers Bob,
Will try it when I get home and report back. Bank holiday weekend (public long weekend) here in the UK so I wont get home till late Monday. Looking forward to trying it.
John
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Thanks Bob,
Using the settings you recommended worked. Will test for a few days with different files and feedback.
John
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I am extending my house and working on the area where TV will be based in the bedroom. TV has DLNA and I would love to use MC15 to stream music. Reading through the forum gives me an idea that this should work, but the question is, how easy is it to select the music and control playback? Going through the long list on by one using TV remote up/down keys does not look like an attractive option. Is it somehow more convenient than that?
More details of what I have:
Samsung UE40B7050 (tv)
DM800 (sat receiver, probably not relevant to JRiver, but it is on LAN and has Linux on it with tons of add-ons, widges)
ArvaniErgosound (soundbar, still to be bought)
MC12 (to be upgraded to MC15)
Windows Mobile device with NetRemote on it (works well to control audio streams)
Should the control via TV be slow, do I have an option to use my Windows Mobile to select song, control volume, etc while the actual stream would be played back on DLNA enabled TV? Controling MC via NetRemote is quite convenient.
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I am extending my house and working on the area where TV will be based in the bedroom. TV has DLNA and I would love to use MC15 to stream music. Reading through the forum gives me an idea that this should work, but the question is, how easy is it to select the music and control playback? Going through the long list on by one using TV remote up/down keys does not look like an attractive option. Is it somehow more convenient than that?
You can customize the views that MC gives to the TV so you can have just about any grouping you like.
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You can customize the views that MC gives to the TV so you can have just about any grouping you like.
installed trial of MC15 and enabled DLNA. Samsung picked up library without any problems, found my music. I didn't load whole library, just few cd's, so library was loaded quickly on tv. I could only use tv remote to move through my library and this might be a bottleneck for biger library. This is why I try to get help here from more experienced users. I was not able to control playback on my tv by using web controls, but maybe I did't set it up correctly. Ideal for me would be to set up so that I turn media player on TV, which connects by default to MC15 library, but then I use my phone or pc to control library: selecting artist, album, controling volume, etc. Do you guys know if it is possible? That would enable me to skip one device in my set up. If this is not possible, I need to put a PC or drag audio cables from MC15 pc, both of wich are not that atractive....
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I could only use tv remote to move through my library and this might be a bottleneck for biger library.
Do yuo want to browse alphabetically? You can set up the menu structure in a very flexible way using MC and its DLNA server. Taking the example of an alphabetical list by Artist (or Album Artist), your first step in you custom view might be Artist and "group by" 1. This means that you will get an initial alphabetical selection of 26 items A to Z rather than a complete list of Artists, and provided your second step is Artist without any grouping, you can drill down into just the Artists beginning with the letter you select. For remote-control access via a TV, I actually have 3 Artist steps at the beginning of my view:
Album Artist, group by 4
Album Artist, group by 1
Album Artist
This gives me an initial menu of:
A-D
E-H
I-L
M-P
Q-T
U-X
Y-Z
Then selecting, say the E-H item, will give me a menu of:
E
F
G
H
Then selecting, say, F will give me al ist of all artists beginnign with F. This is a much quicker way of filtering down by artist via a remote-control.
Ideal for me would be to set up so that I turn media player on TV, which connects by default to MC15 library, but then I use my phone or pc to control library: selecting artist, album, controling volume, etc. Do you guys know if it is possible? That would enable me to skip one device in my set up.
This is what UPnp/DLNA was designed for! By using a remote control on the playing device (the TV) you are using that device as both a browser (controller) and a player (renderer) for content residing on a server. But I realised a long time ago (yes, even before the fashion for Touch came about!) that the 10ft user interface with a remote-control was very awkward and indirect and the natural way of doing it would be a touch device in the hand which is where you do your browsing and controlling, adn the playing device simply plays what you have selected.
The three elements (server, controller, renderer) can be separated and dedicated to devices that are best doing that particular job. Most media centres, JRiver included, act as all three, where your content resides on a PC and you use a program on that PC to browse and select your music, adn the PC then plays your music. However, JRiver goes that step further and allows each function to be separated. It can act as a standalone server for other controllers and renderers to use, it can be a server and a controller whereby it can control another device, or it can be a renderer and accepts isntructions for other devices to play media.
What I'm currently setting up is a JRiver server, a network of renderers around the house (small WD TV Live boxes), and a controller running on an iPad. Yes, you can indeed get controller software on an iPhone, iPod, IPad - I'm looking at PlugPlayer at the moment. It should be possible to browse my collection on the iPad and send any piece of media to any of the renderers around the house. We'll see how it all works!
The big sticking point is that it's sometimes difficult to find hardware and software that will work together, even though DLNA is meant to be a standard. Some DLNA TVs for example might not allow you to control them from another device. Have a look round these forums for compatible devices.
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Very interesting and encouraging, thank you. Setting up with alphabet sounds great, although I have to spend more time to understand how to set it up. Knowing that it is possible is already a good step ahead.
It is interesting that you mentioned WD TV Live as I would consider that too if I know it would work as reenderer... I understood you still do not have set up with server, controller and reenderer working right?
I would like to have following set up:
1 MC15 as a server
2 NetRemote from Promixis running on HTC HD2 (WM device) as a controller. Alternatively WebControl through web browser on same device.
3 DLNA enabled TV, that plays different sort of streaming material, like youtube, flick etc.
I am confident about server and controller, as I use them today to play music in different audio zones. However my set up has I audio cables running from PC to every audio zone. I was hoping to replace that audio cable with different solution. I would like to send the music that I have selected with controller from my server to my TV device. Simply because I already have TV connected to LAN, but I do not have any audio cables extended to this room. I would also prefer to avoid putting extra device, unless absolutely necesary. WD TV live is not that expensive to add on, but then again, why do we need it if TV is able to capture and play audio and video streams from net. Putting extra device in an audio chain is additional cost, opportunity for HW failure, more cabling, power sockets, etc.
Does anyone have TV set up as a reender, which plays whatever is selected by controller?
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installed trial of MC15 and enabled DLNA. Samsung picked up library without any problems, found my music. I didn't load whole library, just few cd's, so library was loaded quickly on tv. I could only use tv remote to move through my library and this might be a bottleneck for biger library. This is why I try to get help here from more experienced users. I was not able to control playback on my tv by using web controls, but maybe I did't set it up correctly. Ideal for me would be to set up so that I turn media player on TV, which connects by default to MC15 library, but then I use my phone or pc to control library: selecting artist, album, controling volume, etc. Do you guys know if it is possible? That would enable me to skip one device in my set up. If this is not possible, I need to put a PC or drag audio cables from MC15 pc, both of wich are not that atractive....
When the DLNA TV acts as a renderer, the usual way of controlling it is to use the TV remote.
It may be a controllable renderer, some devices are, most are not.
If it's controllable it will show up in the Media Center zones under "Playing Now". If it shows up there you can just select it with the web remote.
otherwise you can only control it with the TV remote.
You can change how the Music looks by customizing the views. If you have playlists they will also show up on the TV which can make getting at stuff using the TV remote easier.
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It is interesting that you mentioned WD TV Live as I would consider that too if I know it would work as reenderer... I understood you still do not have set up with server, controller and reenderer working right?
The WD TV Live definitely works as UPnP client/browser, i.e. you can set up a DLNA server in MC15 and you can browse it and play items via the W's own remote control and TV user interface.
It also works as a Zone in MC15 and you can control it remotely from MC15 and indeed from MC15's WebRemote.
However, I have had very mixed results in connecting to any servers and renderers using a variety of freely-available Windows software, e.g. foobar2000, eezUPnP, Cidero, Kinsky, Intel UPnP Tools... some of which can also behave as servers, controllers or renderers or a mixture, but they all have their own issues, cannot connect to server, can connect to server but cannot select items to play, can't see the renderer, can see the renderer but can't select it, can see both server and renderer but cannot send an item from one to the other, can play an item but cannot ffwd/rew.... I have a working server and a working renderer, it's just a question of finding the right controller.
The big gamble I've just made is buying an Ipad...
I am just hoping that one of PlugPlayer or media:connect (the two well-known UPnP controllers available on the IPad) will work with my equipment. Otherwise it'll be a very expensive way of playing Pacman...
WD TV live is not that expensive to add on, but then again, why do we need it if TV is able to capture and play audio and video streams from net.
Exactly. Boxes like this are DMA's (Digital Media Adaptors), they allow "legacy" equipment to use modern technology. If your TV is already DLNA-capable, you don't need an adaptor box.
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If it's controllable it will show up in the Media Center zones under "Playing Now". If it shows up there you can just select it with the web remote.
This is great news. I lookked in "Playing Now" within WebRemote control as well as within MC15, both of them have the name of the PC where MC15 is installed and "TV". So I guess TV was recognized. Clicking on "TV" however does not bring me any further. I first tried webremote, clicked on TV, then the song name disappeared and I could not control playback. I have then selected "PC" in playing now zone list, the I could see the name of the song I was playing. Controlling it still did not work, need to read more about it some setting might be wrong somewhere... At this point I am very interested to see how can I control playback on TV using webremote. This is because my carpenter is ready to finish the wall and I still not sure how many devices I will put there... he is a bit annoyed... Please, push me to the right direction one more time, it looks like MC15 and my Samsung UE40B7050 could be winning combo.
Doubled clicked TV within MC15 and then I got an error message "There was a problem controlling the selectected DLNA device. Double check your device, server and network settings...
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Netremote discussion split here (http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=59795.0).
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Sony KDL-40EX500 - everything's fine except DVDs as mentioned in other threads.
thx
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Philips 46PFL7605H (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Philips-46PFL7605H-05-Widescreen-Internet/dp/B003J36FOU) DLNA.
Plays with MC15. You have to check at "Media Network - DLNA server" .
Audio conversion - Never convert
Video conversion - Never convert
In "Advanced" you can leave everything unchecked or check only "DLNAExtra"
DO NOT check "Advanced - DLNA" because files like AVI change suffix to ".ts" and can't play from TV.
- I can't find yet how I can see external subtitles.
If somebody have a solution please respond.
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Philips 46PFL7605H (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Philips-46PFL7605H-05-Widescreen-Internet/dp/B003J36FOU) DLNA.
Plays with MC15. You have to check at "Media Network - DLNA server" .
Audio conversion - Never convert
Video conversion - Never convert
In "Advanced" you can leave everything unchecked or check only "DLNAExtra"
DO NOT check "Advanced - DLNA" because files like AVI change suffix to ".ts" and can't play from TV.
- I can't find yet how I can see external subtitles.
If somebody have a solution please respond.
You should try turning on the "present subtitle resources" and "present caption resources" under Advanced. I'm not certain you are going to get all of the information your TV requires without the DLNA flag set though.
The difference between setting and not setting the DLNA flag for video is mostly that you are preventing MC from sending video and audio codec information to the TV. If your TV handles a lot of formats you might want to try "never convert" for video.
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Just got a Panasonic VIERA TC-P50ST30 last night, ran a quick check and it could play audio, video and images. Got a couple of media not supported messages when playing to the TV from MC16 but I probably just need to adjust supported formats. Will check out in more detail next week.