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More => Old Versions => JRiver Media Center 21 for Linux => Topic started by: Beamer on September 09, 2015, 04:31:29 pm
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Does anyone know if MC will run on the Celeron based QNAP NAS array?
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We've got it running on a QNAP server. It's a Linux version. Maybe Bob can post the model. This should be available from QNAP soon.
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Ooooh, MC for Linux running on QTS? Now that's VERY interesting... might have to save up for one. :D
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The qpkg isn't generally available yet but it's built on a TS-251
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Will this be included in MC 21 or is it a separate purchase?
Thanks.
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We've got it running on a QNAP server. It's a Linux version. Maybe Bob can post the model. This should be available from QNAP soon.
:o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I am excited about this too!
The qnap runs Kodi, but it is so limited. Media Center on the QNAP that holds the media files would be really nice.
Sign me up! :)
QNAP TS 851, TS 451, TS 251, TS 869 Pro, I have one of each... I would be more than happy to help test.
Thanks
Don
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PLEASE, Synology too. I am waiting for this for severyl years now and could finally eliminate my extra server if the media server could run on Synology. I do not want to start a discussion war on QNAP over Synology, but I know both and I use Synology for a reason. Please... please... please...
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It uses a Linux license.
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Howdy Rubberduck0
You can't dangle that in front of us without a clarification. I am not into wars either, and don't really care as I have no plans on changing, but what "reason" do you choose one over the other? I think we are all mostly geeks here and would enjoy your opinion.
It is hard for someone to get their first NAS as there is so much misinformation on what you can do with one over the other.
Most folks have no idea that some of these beasts have the power to play media...without any other hardware. I sure wish I had someone help me along. Would have saved a bundle of cash. :)
Sorry if off topic.. I just realized this isn't MC Linux talk. But sort of....
Thanks
Don
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MC on QNAP yes please! I'd buy another license (Linux) to get it!
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I am very encouraged by this. I have a TS-419P+ and would be happy to test. Having install via QPKG would be great...my Linux skillz are not at all mad.
Synology would be nice, too (have a DS1513+ if you want me to test).
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Count me in. I was planning on buying a nas this week, but this changes everything. Does soon mean 1 month or 6 months. I would need to by another license too. Also, would the QNAP run a full version of MC?
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Also, would the QNAP run a full version of MC?
I'm assuming it'd be running the full Media Center 21 for Linux build.
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Correct.
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Will it output audio via USB (for example to a USB dac) or do you need a network device to play the audio?
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Will it output audio via USB (for example to a USB dac) or do you need a network device to play the audio?
Yes. I used a DragonFly USB dac for testing.
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Interesting. Does the Dragonfly need drivers to make it work? My Benchmark DAC2 needs Windows drivers installed so I may have to explore with Benchmark whether it would work just plugged into the Qnap.
Edit: Just checked, my DAC2 has a driverless asynchronous USB 1.1 mode but it is limited to 96K audio, so this likely will not work for me but looks like it could be a great solution for those who don't do higher than 96K (or DSD I guess).
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The good news is that many devices that require drivers on windows work without separate drivers on linux systems (the drivers are built into the kernel and/or ALSA). However, the bad news is that if your device doesn't "just work" most vendors don't bother making drivers for linux systems so that may be the end of the road.
It will really depend on what kind of kernel the QNAP is running, what the ALSA support looks like, and whether your device has good linux support. The DAC 2 claims to be UAC2 compliant, which means it would likely to work without a driver on a normal desktop Linux system. Depending on the QNAP's environment it may "just work"
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The good news is that many devices that require drivers on windows work without separate drivers on linux systems (the drivers are built into the kernel and/or ALSA). However, the bad news is that if your device doesn't "just work" most vendors don't bother making drivers for linux systems so that may be the end of the road.
It will really depend on what kind of kernel the QNAP is running, what the ALSA support looks like, and whether your device has good linux support. The DAC 2 claims to be UAC2 compliant, which means it would likely to work without a driver on a normal desktop Linux system. Depending on the QNAP's environment it may "just work"
This is what I built on:
Linux version 3.12.6 (root@NasX86-12) (gcc version 4.1.3 20070929 (prerelease) (Ubuntu 4.1.2-16ubuntu2)) #1 SMP Thu Jul 16 01:55:31 CST 2015
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I have a QNAP 670 Pro so I am very much looking forward to seeing how it works. Is there a mailing list or a thread that we can subscribe to and be notified when it's released?
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I have a QNAP 670 Pro so I am very much looking forward to seeing how it works. Is there a mailing list or a thread that we can subscribe to and be notified when it's released?
Probably just get notifications on this thread for now and we'll post when it's live..
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+1 for synology support!
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+1 for Synology support, either through a standard Synology package or docker.
For better or worse, using docker will restrict the user base to those with mid- to high-end Synology units (https://www.synology.com/en-us/dsm/app_packages/Docker). However, that also ensures that the system should have sufficient resources to run headless MC.
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...I would also be willing to pay an additional fee on top of my Master License for this capability.
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+1 for QNAP support.
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I just talked to someone that visited the JRiver room at RMAF. He is going with a similar system to what was setup in the room, but already has a QNAP TVS-871 running Kodi. He can still return it. Will the JRiver support be an upgrade for him with his existing hardware or will he need to return it and purchase the new hardware with JRiver installed?
He plans to have the QNAP be used for all Blu-ray playback.
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I just talked to someone that visited the JRiver room at RMAF. He is going with a similar system to what was setup in the room, but already has a QNAP TVS-871 running Kodi. He can still return it. Will the JRiver support be an upgrade for him with his existing hardware or will he need to return it and purchase the new hardware with JRiver installed?
He plans to have the QNAP be used for all Blu-ray playback.
Don't hold me to this but I think the current plan is to just let a normal MC linux license to be used with it.
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Are you simply running a virtual OS:
https://www.qnap.com/event/station/au/virtualization.php (https://www.qnap.com/event/station/au/virtualization.php)
and loading a MC Linux on top? From my reading Qnap are leading the NAS market in this area of technology. If it is a virtual machine/OS then wouldn't it make sense to work with an increased amount of onboard RAM?
Or is this something that's embedded and more in depth?
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Are you simply running a virtual OS:
https://www.qnap.com/event/station/au/virtualization.php (https://www.qnap.com/event/station/au/virtualization.php)
and loading a MC Linux on top? From my reading Qnap are leading the NAS market in this area of technology. If it is a virtual machine/OS then wouldn't it make sense to work with an increased amount of onboard RAM?
Or is this something that's embedded and more in depth?
The model we built on is running linux, a version of ubuntu, and it has chrooted environments for apps to run in (Hybrid Deskstation).
So for example it will run a native version of firefox. The apps need to be repackaged since they don't use dpkg in the chrooted environment.
It also has an odd feature that every apps window can only appears in fullscreen mode, including dialog boxes.
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Any news on when this will get released? Two month tease is a bit hard on the soul…
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Any news on when this will get released? Two month tease is a bit hard on the soul…
Sorry it's waiting on sorting out a generic memory leak in the linux 64 bit build.
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Sounds good. Glad for the shared update! Patience restored!
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Hi , I am new to JRiver and Qnap and wanted to clarify whether I need to install Debian Jessie on my Qnap to install MC or does this new build work natively within the NASes operating system
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It'll work natively on the QTS operating system that QNAP uses.
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Just to clarify this - will jriver work through the qnap web interface or will it require use of the hybrid deskstation feature (ie nas attached to monitor and keyboard)? I thought it was the latter, but I'm happy to be corrected.
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Hi when is this build due for release?
Install instructions for noobs
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I believe it will be available from QNAP. Soon.
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OK confused again , available from Qnap, shouldn't it be available from JRiver?
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I believe it will be available from QNAP. Soon.
That would be awesome - implying that the app adheres to their standards. Also makes the app easier to install since it will probably be done through the QNAP App Center and not some OS level kluged install.
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That is amazing to hear and so many Qnap users are eagerly awaiting this!
So will this be available with the next firmware update of QTS or as an individual app to install in the Qnap appstore?
Timeline is about 1-2 weeks, Right?
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... Also makes the app easier to install since it will probably be done through the QNAP App Center ...
That is my understanding. It should be any day now. It will be a 30 day trial version and will work with the same license as our regular Linux version.
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That is my understanding. It should be any day now. It will be a 30 day trial version and will work with the same license as our regular Linux version.
The whole HiFi / audio community will be excited!! :D
It's great that you and QNAP are enabling this.
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Hi, Can anyone tell me where to look to see when it becomes available?
Will the notice be posted here? Or do I need to monitor some page at qnap?
https://www.qnap.com/i/en/app_center/index.php?kw=jriver (https://www.qnap.com/i/en/app_center/index.php?kw=jriver) ?
Thanks!
Don
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Yes should be listed there - and I am sure you will get updates here too :)
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That is my understanding. It should be any day now. It will be a 30 day trial version and will work with the same license as our regular Linux version.
Any updates on the ETA? Thanks!
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It was supposed to have been announced at an event in Taiwan today.
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It was supposed to have been announced at an event in Taiwan today.
Thanks for the update. I must be psychic. If I could only do that with lottery numbers ....
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I can't find anywhere on QNAP pages any info about them releasing JRiver under QTS.
Please send me a link if you know one.
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I'll ask.
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I'll ask.
Any news?
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They said it would be released this week. I'll post when I have anything definite.
This is the Linux version.
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Like many of us, I am really excited about this.
It looks like it is getting close. Look at what I found on the QNAP site:
When displaying content using HDMI outputs, you can use the TS-853A as an amazing multimedia player by using HD Station to enjoy rich apps including Kodi™, HD Player, Plex Home Theater, YouTube™, Spotify®, JRiver, Google Chrome™, Mozilla Firefox®, and more. Alternatively, you can choose to output the Ubuntu desktop to use the TS-853A as a PC.
It's not my model QNAP, but..... there is the JRiver name on a qnap page.
Don
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Hmm, Strange.
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Did I miss the release last week?
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;D ;D ;D
Installing JRiver on my QNAP TS-453 Pro NAS now!!!!!
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;D ;D ;D
Installing JRiver on my QNAP TS-453 Pro NAS now!!!!!
How was it? :)
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My limited experience of using the QNAP release on my TS-653 Pro (2GB Ram) has not been a good one :'(
I was being greeted with an interface that did not appear to support Theatre View. Had it supported Theatre View this would have been my main reason to move over to the QNAP JRiver program.
I was not able to achieve smooth video, sort of reminded me of the old days when we had to put up with 50 Hz frame rates for 24 Hz frame rate films. I tried all the usual parameters.
Since the QNAP JRiver 30 day trial will expire in the not too distant future I will probably never be able to trial it again.
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My limited experience of using the QNAP release on my TS-653 Pro (2GB Ram) has not been a good one :'(
I was being greeted with an interface that did not appear to support Theatre View. Had it supported Theatre View this would have been my main reason to move over to the QNAP JRiver program.
I was not able to achieve smooth video, sort of reminded me of the old days when we had to put up with 50 Hz frame rates for 24 Hz frame rate films. I tried all the usual parameters.
Since the QNAP JRiver 30 day trial will expire in the not too distant future I will probably never be able to trial it again.
Neither the Linux nor Mac versions MC support Theater View yet, it requires 3d support which is a work in progress on those platforms.
As for the video, there probably isn't enough horsepower to do 1080p video smoothly with the standard video access that we are doing. Hendrik might have more to say about this.