A solution to my burgeoning keywords list perhaps?
I would find this useful I think if any field type could be manually user connected/nested i.e. album - artist, genre - subgenre, etc...
I agree. Right now I'm looking at this and thinking of all of the People in my People tag.
How do you nest? Can you post a screenshot?
Where do you add the \ ?
thx
... something is not working right, see the attached screenshot
i was thinking about this, but when you use listitem ( ) from the expression language, you can make a collumn with all your subgenres only. for when you want to. :)
So in this case easier to find sub-genre's if you are aware of the genre, less scrolling to get to the g or z sub-genre just click the little triangle. But then if you are searching for a sub-genre and don't know which genre it belongs to, it makes finding the sub-genre harder as its no longer in the list and you have to hunt for it. (assuming the view scheme starts in a collapsed state).
Add the pane "Keywords" to your view. Edit one of the keywords (F2) and put a slash in it. You can also drag-n-drop around in the pane to move.Okay, what am I doing wrong? I have 2 cover arts for Queen and tried to make the two be a subgroup. I have two keywords in each cover art with Queen in both. No matter where I put a \ I can't get it to work.
I've not used keywords before but adding people/me;places/home gives me too entries which is great. What would be even better would be if there was some method of copying my people, places, events tags into the keyword field.
Next build:Yesss!, thats nice. 8)
NEW: Added expression function ListCombine(List1, List2, Delimiter (optional, defaults to semicolon)) to combine list type fields.
So in-place edit keywords in the list and type:
=ListCombine([Keywords], [People])
And again:
=ListCombine([Keywords], [Places])
etc.
Yesss!, thats nice. 8)
BTW, this is fantastic for images as it's identical to the way I use keywords in Elements Organizer.I'm thinking the documents ppl also are going to have a ball with this. Much more fluid, add keywords/tags wherever you feel like.
I'm thinking the documents ppl also are going to have a ball with this. Much more fluid, add keywords/tags wherever you feel like.
Not seeing any use yet as a mainly Audio person with it tho.
If we stick with this, any field will be nestable.at this moment, version 395, it only works for list fields. will the other fields also be nestable in the feature?
This build [12.0.392] reworks panes and browser schemes. This may cause browsing or tagging mode problems.
These changes enable fields to be nested. For now, only Keywords are nestable. Use a \ when editing to create a folder. You can also drag-n-drop to the Keywords pane, rename, or use tagging mode.
Here's a screenshot:
http://www.pix01.com/gallery/870F46F7-4E87-44B0-A4F2-0FC2ED152FFA/Nested_Keywords/
Should expanded items persist across sessions (currently they're remembered for the session)? Or should it default to expanding everyting? Or expanding nothing?
Should there be a way to expand "All" or a new item "Flat List" to see all the values as one big list? If this is there, should the flat list look like Family\Matt or just Matt?
Should expanded items persist across sessions (currently they're remembered for the session)? Or should it default to expanding everyting? Or expanding nothing?
Should there be a way to expand "All" or a new item "Flat List" to see all the values as one big list? If this is there, should the flat list look like Family\Matt or just Matt?
Is this also going to work for audio fields related fields like album or name?Drooooling in anticipation.....
I really like the idea of nesting the songs under an album.
I really like the idea of nesting the songs under an album.Not immediately seeing why this may be a good idea ?
Not immediately seeing why this may be a good idea ?
Matt did you read my suggestion above to use / instead of \ to delimit nested tags to make it compatible with windows use of nested keywords for images?
This would be in particular helpful if it is possible in the viewing pane (not sure if that is what it is called, but I refer to the lower part of the screen in the screenshot http://www.pix01.com/gallery/870F46F7-4E87-44B0-A4F2-0FC2ED152FFA/Nested_Keywords/)If i understand what you are saying its that you would like to have the same nestable feature in the files view ?..that lower part of the screen.
It would be another way of browsing through your media. Instead of having a list of thousands of songs, you would have a list of albums, and when clicking on it, it would expand to show the songs in that particular album.
Is that more clear? Not sure how else to explain.
If i understand what you are saying its that you would like to have the same nestable feature in the files view ?..that lower part of the screen.
Next build:
Changed: Nested keywords are saved and loaded to XMP and ITPC tags using forward slash as the delimiter instead of backslash.
This would be in particular helpful if it is possible in the viewing pane (not sure if that is what it is called, but I refer to the lower part of the screen in the screenshot http://www.pix01.com/gallery/870F46F7-4E87-44B0-A4F2-0FC2ED152FFA/Nested_Keywords/)I get what you are saying, it always struck me as a bit strange that whenever you clicked a viewscheme, MC would spill out all its contents in the file view...at the beginning. Then you browse with panes and it gets pruned down.
It would be another way of browsing through your media. Instead of having a list of thousands of songs, you would have a list of albums, and when clicking on it, it would expand to show the songs in that particular album.
Nothing in the file view till you select something in the panes..with an (All) option at the top to display everything if required ?
If you filter in step 4, then you are stuck with that selection throughout your interaction with the viewscheme.
This would be in particular helpful if it is possible in the viewing pane (not sure if that is what it is called, but I refer to the lower part of the screen in the screenshot http://www.pix01.com/gallery/870F46F7-4E87-44B0-A4F2-0FC2ED152FFA/Nested_Keywords/)
It would be another way of browsing through your media. Instead of having a list of thousands of songs, you would have a list of albums, and when clicking on it, it would expand to show the songs in that particular album.
Is that more clear? Not sure how else to explain.
When I'm done, I'll see about getting some wiki pages done because for a long time I've asked that MC do for my images what it has done for my music, and as far as organising goes, this is one of the most useful and productive additions to MC in a long time, especially when coupled with the new 'list' related expression functions.Marko, I look forward to your wiki additions!
I have just begin experimenting with converting a number of custome fields to keywords (hoping for greater compatability with Vista's use of XMP) and noticed the following:I mentioned this elsewhere as the action window was, for me, the most logical place to perform such actions. It might be squeezed into v12, but I very much doubt it.
The help (and Wiki) states: "It is possible to use an expression when editing values in a file list or in the Tag Action Window. This works like Excel formulas -- simply prepend an equal sign to the front of the edited text and it will be interpreted as an expression. (use '= to output an actual equal)"
This does not appear to be true when the Keywords field is edited in the Tag Action Window.
Is this by design or a bug? Either MC or the help/wiki should be fixed so that they are consistent.
...I get a tree like this:
- location
- italy
- This Folder
- milan
Be sure to check out the new expression functions (http://wiki.jrmediacenter.com/index.php/Media_Center_expression_language).
listcombine(...) allows you to merge two list type fields into one, removing any resulting duplicates, which is nice!
replace(...) allows you to find semi-colons in a list type field and replace them with whatever. Find ; and replace with ;new group name\ can be handy before merging a field into [keywords].
This is pretty cool. With it I was able to convert key fields from my entire library of pictures (including a People field containing a list of items) into nested Keywords by selecting all my images, editing the Keywords field and then entering just one expression:
=if(IsEmpty([Genre]),,Genre\[Genre];)if(IsEmpty([Event]),,Event\[Event];)if(IsEmpty([Location]),,Location\[Location];)if(IsEmpty([Places]),,Places\[Places];)if(IsEmpty([People]),,People\replace([People],;,;People\))
I'm confused as to what exactly the "This Folder" is. Is there an explanation somewhere?
We struggled with the naming of "This Folder".
We're open to other suggestions.
a single dot '.'? (it's the standard used by all OS for the current directory)
btw, whatever you choose, what will happen to files tagged in the same way as your directory identifier? what if, for example, I tag a file with "italy" and another file with "italy\This Folder"?
or slash dot
/.
The dot and double-dot are pretty propeller-headed. I think you had to grow up on DOS to know what it means.
And let's not forget that that weird somebody who has a folder named "This Folder".Made me think....
...the way to identify files in this "italy" sort of directory is to have a "this folder" leaf beneath the italy branch...
...I think that using some sort of symbol is probably better than using "This Folder."...
...Until it was explained, I really didn't understand what "This Folder" meant exactly...
Any chance we could get this to work for calculated fields?yes, that would be nice. there is the &DataType=[ list ] which changes calculated fields in list type, but that does not work for nesting. would be nice for those who want to have genre/subgenre nested, but also a decade/year field or so many other combinations.
-John
what i miss when working with the nestable fields, is the option to add items to 'this folder' when in tagging mode. :)
what i miss when working with the nestable fields, is the option to add items to 'this folder' when in tagging mode. :)
Or remove them from 'this folder' when I decide to add another level of hierarchy below it.
It looks like I am in the same situation as Rasmus
I don't know if it's a side effect of the age but I seem to be missing many points with the new nestable keywords feature.
When I first read about it I thought, great ! this will allow for more intelligent grouping of the various keywords fields. Especially the new listcombine() function attracted me as I thought it would help me easily combine the people, places and keywords fields.
When I first tried it, I realized that it was a very manual process of adding backslashes in keywords (hence creating new keywords) or drag'n dropping. I Thought the listcombine will help automatize the process, but I could not get it to work the way I thought it would. I always ended up having the expression "=listcombine([keywords],[people])" as a keyword of its own, which is not right.
Obviously I am missing something. It might probably be in the way I understand expressions. A lot has changed in this section during the past couple of years. You can tell, I still have the good old Mediajukebox Icon in my avatar !
Hi,
It looks like I am in the same situation as Rasmus
I don't know if it's a side effect of the age but I seem to be missing many points with the new nestable keywords feature.
When I first read about it I thought, great ! this will allow for more intelligent grouping of the various keywords fields. Especially the new listcombine() function attracted me as I thought it would help me easily combine the people, places and keywords fields.
When I first tried it, I realized that it was a very manual process of adding backslashes in keywords (hence creating new keywords) or drag'n dropping. I Thought the listcombine will help automatize the process, but I could not get it to work the way I thought it would. I always ended up having the expression "=listcombine([keywords],[people])" as a keyword of its own, which is not right.
Obviously I am missing something. It might probably be in the way I understand expressions. A lot has changed in this section during the past couple of years. You can tell, I still have the good old Mediajukebox Icon in my avatar !
I'm ready to go back to MC school !
Christian