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More => Old Versions => Media Center 15 (Development Ended) => Topic started by: JimH on January 04, 2011, 12:10:23 pm
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[Edit May, 2014 -- a newer Id is now available:
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Id ]
Using the JRiver Id for playback and Gizmo (http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Gizmo) or WebRemote (http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/WebRemote) for remote control over your network, you can control and play music anywhere in your home. You're freed from the physical location of your PC:
(http://www.pix01.com/gallery/8D12431D-7EA0-495D-9EA2-775091458CB9/DLNA_Home/2739449590.jpg)
The Id (rhymes with hid) is a very small device that can play your music in another room wirelessly. MC sends your music to it and the Id plays it through the amp or powered speakers you have there. The Id fits easily in your hand, so it's perfect for mounting out of sight.
The JRiver Id shows up in MC under Playing Now as a device you can drop media on. It doesn't play video or images, but it's perfect for music in another room. It requires and amplifier and a wireless LAN.
We received our first shipment today. (January 4, 2011). Pictures (http://pix01.com/zp@7dkT)
Please see our wiki for more details and how to order (http://wiki.jrmediacenter.com/index.php/J._River_Id).
Use Gizmo (http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Gizmo) or WebRemote (http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/WebRemote) to control it from an Android or iPad.
JRiver Id Instructions (http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/J._River_Id_Instructions)
(http://www.pix01.com/gallery/8D12431D-7EA0-495D-9EA2-775091458CB9/J._River_Id__Version_1.0/1165481616.jpg)
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This is a great idea.. will pictures and video be available in the future? I'd buy a bunch!
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This is a great idea.. will pictures and video be available in the future? I'd buy a bunch!
Not for this version. Maybe the next.
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Good work.
I love JRiver Media Center.
Fabricio, from Brazil.
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If i had more than one of them, would they appear as multiple devices in the playing now folder? This would be a great alternative for me than the squeezebox devices which have absolute crap for client interfaces.
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If i had more than one of them, would they appear as multiple devices in the playing now folder?
Yes. Controlling multiple Ids (or really any other DLNA device) is no problem. You can rename devices in Media Center to keep them straight.
If you use an Android or WebRemote as a remote, your custom names show up like you would expect.
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Also, on the device, you can change its name.
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Do you have any information on the synchronization compared to music coming directly out of the sound card on the computer that hosts MC?
Thanks,
Darren
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If you mean that you want to sync the Id with another zone, it probably won't work well at this time.
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What were the thoughts/design points about being wireless only?
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What were the thoughts/design points about being wireless only?
We were involved in the design, but not in control of it.
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I would love such a device. Really would. But i live not far from THE Nato South European listening post. I can receive their radar on my fillings. My router's wireless (Netgear Rangemax) conks out at 5 meters. :'(
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The USB port is intriguing. Can I connect my external hard drive and play songs on it via a DLNA controller and server?
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I don't think so. I'm not certain.
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Thanks for the quick response. Since you probably started with an OEM reference design that didn't come with such USB capability enabled, please consider an enhancement or patch to provide such. If providing such a patch voids whatever support arrangment you have with the OEM, I'd still be interested if I had to waive any warranty on the Id to use it. Same decision lots of people made to hack their Apple TVs and the like for similar hard drive capability, and accordingly waived their warranties (in other words, I don't think any voiding would be a big deal to those who want their hard drives connected).
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I'll bet your OEM is this http://www.ubicom.com/support/pdfs/DLNA_AudioClient_ProductBrief_r13_PUB.pdf
Full USB 2.0 support, so external hard drive support should still be a possibility.
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Can anyone recommend a pair of active speakers (speakers with inbuilt amplifiers) for use with the Id?
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I'd like to order three units.
Your web site for international orders defaults to one unit. Can I get a shipping cost discount for three units, or do I need to order the units separately?
Btw, good luck with the Id. It looks like a winner together with the Gizmo!
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raldo,
Thanks. How about starting with one unit, just to make sure it fits your needs? Then you could email deanna at jriver to make arrangements for the others.
Jim
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Can anyone recommend a pair of active speakers (speakers with inbuilt amplifiers) for use with the Id?
Powered PC speakers should work. Logitech, for example.
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Can anyone recommend a pair of active speakers (speakers with inbuilt amplifiers) for use with the Id?
I would recommend the M-Audio AV40s (http://www.google.com/search?q=maudio+av40)
Nice powered speaker system at a good price. These will be the first one's I plug into the ID when it arrives.
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Thanks. How about starting with one unit, just to make sure it fits your needs? Then you could email deanna at jriver to make arrangements for the others.
Okeydokey. Done.
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Thanks for the orders, raldo, and everyone else.
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I set mine up at home with WCN (I don't have a WPS router).
It was simple with win7 starter on my netbook. I just clicked on the wireless icon in the system tray then right clicked on my primary wireless connection, did properties and selected to write the configuration to a usb drive from the connection tab. Moved the usb key from the win7 box to the Id. Flipped the switch on the back of the Id to the wcn position, powered on the Id, after around 20 seconds the usb key light lit up, flashed a few times and 20 seconds or so later went off. At that point the Id was rebooting. I removed the USB key, flipped the switch back to the wifi position and after another minute the wifi light on the front was blinking and it was showing in my MC. The whole process took about 2 minutes. I'm using WPA2 and a linksys WRT54GL.
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How does this behave on a busy wireless network? Say when another system has maxed out up and down with a Torrent. Does the music get priority or do we have to manually choke the network hogs?
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Feature request for the next version: wired networking too, please!
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How does this behave on a busy wireless network? Say when another system has maxed out up and down with a Torrent. Does the music get priority or do we have to manually choke the network hogs?
We have a busy network and only saw occasional problems. We don't download a lot though, so it's hard to say just yet. If a Torrent download affects your network now, it will probably cause problems with an Id.
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Wow,
That is so close to what I am looking for since so long !! My only concern is that it is wireless only. I am now so sad, I rely so much on my wired network :(
Hope the wired version will come soon.
Lobo.
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I just hooked an Id up to the multi-room speaker system that the previous owner of the house installed about 15 years ago. I can now select music from my server by using an Android (Samsung Galaxy Tab shown in picture), start it playing, then turn up the volume on the speakers in any room. Pretty nice.
(http://www.pix01.com/gallery/8D12431D-7EA0-495D-9EA2-775091458CB9/Multi_Room_Music_/7886652090.jpg)
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We have a busy network and only saw occasional problems. We don't download a lot though, so it's hard to say just yet. If a Torrent download affects your network now, it will probably cause problems with an Id.
To Jim and RJM:
Jim, your network was probably busy with intra-office networking, right? Most internet connections are not fast enough to saturate a 56 Mbps wireless network, but file transfers within the network certainly can.
So if a 10 Mbps internet connection is saturated with torrent downloads, that still leaves plenty of headroom for sending music on a 56 Mbps wireless network. I doubt the ID would suffer from lack of bandwidth in most users' homes. Dropouts and interference is another matter of course.
If, however, you're streaming video or doing file transfers within the network, hence using the full 56 Mbps bandwidth, you may run into trouble.
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The DAC is said to be 24/192 like so many todays DACs but what does the receiver supports as maximum bit depth and sample rate?
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If, however, you're streaming video or doing file transfers within the network, hance using the full 56 Mbps bandwidth, you may run into trouble.
Thanks, that makes sense.
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I would recommend the M-Audio AV40s (http://www.google.com/search?q=maudio+av40)
Nice powered speaker system at a good price. These will be the first one's I plug into the ID when it arrives.
I concur. Just purchased and set up AV40s today, in fact (and used Media Center to test 'em out with flac rips of my CDs). Mighty fine! Just one thing to be aware of: these really do need to be in front of you, ideally close to ear level, or the sound will be muddier than you'd like.
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AV40s
I'll be trying out some Audioengine 2 (http://audioengineusa.com/) active speakers in the near future.
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Nothing wrong with the A2 but they are not active speakers.
With a passive there is a crossover between the amp and the drivers
With an active the crossover is done before the power amp and each speaker is driven by its own power amp.
The A2 is powered speaker, the amp is in build into 1 box but that is the only difference with a passive system.
The major reason why the pro-world switched to actives long ago is because of the lower distortion.
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Where do we make product suggestions? I'd like to recommend a digital output (SPDIF, Optical, or both)
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On one hand, I can understand your waning support for iPods ... but on the other hand, given the number of iPod docks, aren't you ignoring most portable and remote locations (... and me! ...<g>...). Minimally, maybe you can figure out how to support the current playlist via Webplay(?)
My CA$0.02 :)
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Hi Jim,
I'm wanting to order an Id and I know the power supply supports 220/240V, but does it come with the Australian pin configuration?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Australian_dual_switched_power_point.jpg
Cheers
Richard
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Hi Richard,
The transformer has a U.S. plug. You would need an adaptor. Sorry I don't have a better solution.
Regards,
Jim
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Hi Richard,
The transformer has a U.S. plug. You would need an adaptor. Sorry I don't have a better solution.
Regards,
Jim
OK, thanks.
So the power adapter has a cord going to the AC socket? Or is it one of those bricks that plugs straight into the wall?
Richard
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It's a bit of a brick, not too big. You can see it in this picture (http://www.pix01.com/gallery/8D12431D-7EA0-495D-9EA2-775091458CB9/J._River_Id__Version_1.0/bigpage.html?image=116548161_orig7.jpg).
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It's a bit of a brick, not too big. You can see it in this picture (http://www.pix01.com/gallery/8D12431D-7EA0-495D-9EA2-775091458CB9/J._River_Id__Version_1.0/bigpage.html?image=116548161_orig7.jpg).
OK, cool. I'll just order one anyway, it's always fun to play with new toys :)
R
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Wow,
That is so close to what I am looking for since so long !! My only concern is that it is wireless only. I am now so sad, I rely so much on my wired network :(
Hope the wired version will come soon.
I'd like to recommend a digital output (SPDIF, Optical, or both)
We may be able to provide a similar device with wired Ethernet and Optical out. Would you pay $30 more to get those features ($119 + shipping)?
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Yes I would pay $119.00 for wired and a optical out. I bought one ID last night for music only. Would like one that I could send my pictures or video to my TV.
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Jim - Just got mine and it is all setup and working well (it is a bit convoluted as my Intercom System does not have an AUX in so I've had to resort to connecting an FM transmitter up to the ID!)
One early point is the I accidentally played Video to it and then could not stop MC without shutting it down (it keep trying to play the next video etc etc). Would it be possible to in the ID Profile in MC to restrict it as an Audio only device?
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As per the pic below you can see the ID in Win7's Network Map. I could Right Click on the DLNAS device and "Install" it which Win7 then did sucessfully (after contacting the Win7 update site). So....what did I just install?
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Stuff like this is fun...but I know why a others think we are nuts! To get music in a room I now use the following technology: MC "Plays" the music to the ID from a PC via a switch to a wireless router that has a POE device that connects it to the other POE point that feeds the another wireless router that transmits to the ID that is plugged into an FM transmitter that the house intercome system can tune into so that results in the song being able to be heard in a room. ::) ::) I could get a $10 radio but where would the fun of that be?
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I could get a $10 radio but where would the fun of that be?
AMEN... LMAO Love IT!
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I would also be interested in a wired network with digital out.
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agreed - I avoid my wireless at all costs.... $30 would be a small price for me to pay in order to remove the flakiness that is WiFi.
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some type of digital output would be nice, to run to a nice external DAC.
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received mine today up and running in less then 10 min. Thanks Jim works great.
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Just wondering if you send out an e-mail when you have shipped an order?
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We don't yet, but recent orders have shipped within a day or two. If you want more precision, send me an e-mail. I can check. jimh at jriver.
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Done!
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some type of digital output would be nice, to run to a nice external DAC.
+1
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We may be able to provide a similar device with wired Ethernet and Optical out. Would you pay $30 more to get those features ($119 + shipping)?
Yes definitely. I am using an airport with itunes for the only reason to run music from my PC across the room to my Digital amp and AV system. I have a 100k file library that runs like ..... on iTunes. It can't handle libraries of this size. Your unit would be very competitive with the Airport. ... Please Save ME. mromanowski01 at comcast net when you have it available. I would pay 20 more if you could rush the development. :D
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We may be able to provide a similar device with wired Ethernet and Optical out. Would you pay $30 more to get those features ($119 + shipping)?
Yes! If I can turn off the wireless stuff, so much the better.
Bill
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+1 for happily paying an extra $30 for wired LAN and optical or SPDIF audio output.
Any thoughts or plans to offer a DNLA renderer with HDMI support as well as audio? This is my missing link..
Regards,
Fleetz
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I would also pay more $30-40 for a digital audio out and ethernet version of the Id.
Also, I would like to emphasize that this is a good product. It works. There is very little delay, and it seems like once it is on the network, you are done with thinking about it. I think I will quickly forget that there is a wi-fi network involved between the player and the speakers. I have tried so many other devices to break the player to speaker physical connection in the past. The Linksys Musicbridge, Netgear Wireless Music Player, Sondigo Sirocco were 3 worthless bricks. The Roku Soundbridge M1001, and the much larger and prettier M2000 have the advantage of good screen displays but spotty performance connecting to JRiver Media Center. However, the JRiver Id just plain works.
Thank you for creating a superior and simple product.
Surge
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Ethernet and a pristine SPDIF out? I buy.
Don’t mind to pay a little bit more for a decent enclosure either.
Current one won’t win a Red Dot design award I’m afraid.
A professional presentation on the website ( specs, some quality pictures) won’t harm either.
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I would also pay more $30-40 for a digital audio out and ethernet version of the Id.
Also, I would like to emphasize that this is a good product. It works. There is very little delay, and it seems like once it is on the network, you are done with thinking about it. I think I will quickly forget that there is a wi-fi network involved between the player and the speakers. I have tried so many other devices to break the player to speaker physical connection in the past. The Linksys Musicbridge, Netgear Wireless Music Player, Sondigo Sirocco were 3 worthless bricks. The Roku Soundbridge M1001, and the much larger and prettier M2000 have the advantage of good screen displays but spotty performance connecting to JRiver Media Center. However, the JRiver Id just plain works.
Thank you for creating a superior and simple product.
Surge
Thanks for the report. We have ordered the SPDIF / Wired version. This time, I think I'll wait on announcing when we will be ready to ship.
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ETA? Weeks? Months?
3.5-mm audio minijack for analog or optical digital sound
Hopefully the SPDIF your adding is compatible with the description above?
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Hi,
When the sp-dif/wired version be available, let me know, I will buy it.
I have just received the Id, and I have few questions:
1) When linking Main Zone to the Id, controling from PlugPlayer, they do not skip songs, and became a little unstable. I tested it in more powerful Server (1,6Ghz Atom Based Mini Itx Pc x 2,8Ghz Quad Core), and they got better, with a small delay in skiping songs.
2) Does using more powerful PC's (in a server or client??) make a diference? In this case, I will re-think using Mini-itx Pc's.
Thanks
Antonio
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The first thing that comes to my mind is WiFi
The poorer the reception, the smaller the band width
If possible try positioning the ID closer to the router.
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Try using the stand that came with the Id to put it in a vertical position.
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The Id is close to wi-fi. The problem seems to be in the PlugPlayer/J River interaction! I am using a D510 1.6Ghz Intel Based Mini Itx PC. Does using a more powerfull PC would make a diference?
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Let me explain better. The whole Program (MC) seems to be unstable when I link the Main Zone to the Id, controlling from PlugPlayer. I tried the same operation with a more powerfull PC, and things got better (Also, in this second PC, there are fewer Songs 12.000 x 65.000).
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Thanks for the report. We have ordered the SPDIF / Wired version. This time, I think I'll wait on announcing when we will be ready to ship.
Wow, I can't believe my eyes, We just write and Jim does the rest ..... that is fantastic, my wired network is already over-excited !!!
I can't wait to see this coming :)
Lobo.
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It's a bit of a brick, not too big. You can see it in this picture (http://www.pix01.com/gallery/8D12431D-7EA0-495D-9EA2-775091458CB9/J._River_Id__Version_1.0/bigpage.html?image=116548161_orig7.jpg).
From the picture it seems like the brick itselv is connected to the outlet (in other words, not cord to brick, then cord from the brick to the unit itself). DOes the brixk support 230V? If not, what kind of wattage and voltage do the brick have to support? (for getting a new brick for 230V-systems)
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From the picture it seems like the brick itselv is connected to the outlet (in other words, not cord to brick, then cord from the brick to the unit itself). DOes the brixk support 230V? If not, what kind of wattage and voltage do the brick have to support? (for getting a new brick for 230V-systems)
230 is fine. It is a switching power supply. The plug is US style, so you would need an adaptor only for it.
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230 is fine. It is a switching power supply. The plug is US style, so you would need an adaptor only for it.
Ok, thanks for the info. If its easy to get maybe PoE can be something to be considered in future hardware-revisions?
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We may be able to provide a similar device with wired Ethernet and Optical out. Would you pay $30 more to get those features ($119 + shipping)?
Yes!
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Thanks for the report. We have ordered the SPDIF / Wired version. This time, I think I'll wait on announcing when we will be ready to ship.
This is something I would be interested in. Also, I will definitely keep a lookout when you guys release an audio/video/picture version, with Netflix support, because that would be awesome. Then I'd use that device in my bedroom, my workstation will, of course, stay in my guest room/office, and my living room will have the PS3. HDMI or optical is definitely a plus, so is wired ethernet. :D
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Just wondering what the chances of a multiple-channel device becoming available?
Rather than having to purchase 4 devices, I'd love a device that had 4 stereo channel outputs. Obviously a lot of the hardware would be duplicated with 4 units, so there may be economies of scale by having a unit with multiple outputs. For example, if it was $250 for 4 analog channels, wired only, I'd be keen.
In my case, I have a computer that sits in my garage that is only there because my whole of house audio unit (Russound) also sits in the garage. I'd much prefer to move the PC inside the house (much better conditions for a PC), but this would either require 4 IDs, or trying to mess around with Audio Baluns over Cat5.
Any thoughts?
Kane
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Any updates on the new ID Version? ETA?
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How do I configure the ID when I have a secure wireless network? Airport Extreme with standard WPA encryption.
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How do I configure the ID when I have a secure wireless network? Airport Extreme with standard WPA encryption.
Instructions are here:
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/J._River_Id_Instructions
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Okay, will grab old laptop with wireless card (use Macs now) and will copy to flash drive. That was the missing piece. Can't wait to try this tonight.