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More => Old Versions => JRiver Media Center 24 for Windows => Topic started by: TheShoe on April 21, 2018, 08:12:28 pm
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I tried 3D playback the other day with MC24 and it didn't work. Went back to MC23 and it worked without issue.
Also noticed the version of madVr that is downloaded has some strange behavior.
When I create a profile under Devices and then try to edit the profile name, for every character i type in the text input box it adds the character to the name and then jumps up to a hight level item in the hierarchy (eg. to "Devices"). Very odd - does not happen in MC23 at all, though I am using the latest madVr.
Anyone with 3D - can you try playback and check if it works?
Thanks
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Had a quick look at 3D (once I had charged my glasses) and I could not get it to work. madVR said it was 3D, nvidia said it was 3D, my 3D Glasses came on but it was only 2D (like both eyes were the same).
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I don't have a 3D display hooked up right now, but modes like line alternative are working and showing different images for the left and right eyes (since they don't converge).
Check that you have "enable 3D Blu-ray and MKV 3D decoding" enabled in Media Center's video options.
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Nothing in MC has changed regarding video playback in 24. Setting up 3D playback especially on Windows 10 can be rather finnicky. Works fine on my 8.1 at least.
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Nothing in MC has changed regarding video playback in 24. Setting up 3D playback especially on Windows 10 can be rather finnicky. Works fine on my 8.1 at least.
indeed.
only difference I note is that I am using different versions of madvr between MC23 and MC24, and the madvr issues I referenced above with things like renaming profiles only in MC24.
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It worked with version 92.12 of madVR for me.
You can update the version of madVR in JRiver manually.
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It worked with version 92.12 of madVR for me.
You can update the version of madVR in JRiver manually.
yes -that is the version of madvr i am using in MC 23. ill give that a try in MC 24
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didn't work. I tried the version of madVr I used with MC 23. Same effect: switches to 3D, no video, and have to kill MC24 process if it does not crash on its own.
Also when playing back 4K content, it scales to 1080p in spite of my telling madVr for 2D content, only use 4K modes.
I run my desktop at 1080p by default and in MC23 with my madVr profiles, 4K plays in 4K, 3D in 1080p3D, all in Windowed mode.
checked and re-checked all settings in JRiver and madVr between MC23 and MC24 and they are equal.
have the good folks at JRiver tested 3D to see if it's still working?
further notes:
madVr will no longer switch to FSE in MC24; even when I changed my desktop to 2160p and played back a 4K+HDR MKV, it would only playback in 1080p + HDR. back to MC23 and everything worked fine.
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Did some more testing on 3D but no luck, it all looks 2D even though:
- madVR is reporting that it is outputting 3D (D3D11(3D) and NV12 (3D))
- PJ changes reports it is receiving 1080/24 frame packed
- nvidia is reporting the resolution is 1080/23 & that the 3D mode is BD HDMI
The only thing I notice (and as we don't really watch 3D I can not remember) is madVR is saying that it is scaling 1920x1080 to 3840x2160. Sorry I'm not sure at what point it worked (it did but I don't think I've watched a 3D for a year on this setup).
Edit - The only time I got MC to hang was if I turned off 3D in madVR's settings but left it on in MC. The rest of the time was fine. Also no issues with 4K.
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...also if you have general "weirdness" after all the tweaking, I'd suggest that, you delete all the folders in "C:\Users\[USERNAME]\AppData\Roaming\J River\Media Center 24\Plugins" (MC will re-download all the sub folders with default settings). Note: If you have customised any madVR Settings you will want to save the "settings.bin" file and copy it back into the madvr folder later.
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...also if you have general "weirdness" after all the tweaking, I'd suggest that, you delete all the folders in "C:\Users\[USERNAME]\AppData\Roaming\J River\Media Center 24\Plugins" (MC will re-download all the sub folders with default settings). Note: If you have customised any madVR Settings you will want to save the "settings.bin" file and copy it back into the madvr folder later.
yeah i learned the hard way on backing up settings.bin
thanks for the tips. 3D is still regularly watched here so bummer for me for now.
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I'm happy to test (mostly Weekends) if there are any hints on what to try. Any thoughts on why madVR is reporting that it is scaling from 1920x1080 to 3840x2160 while in 3D 1080p Frame Packed Mode? .... or is this normal?
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Funnily enough, I tested this yesterday, The only way it works with my nvidia card (1050Ti) was to have it in Exclusive mode in MadVR. And it worked for MVC mkvs perfectly with the following caveat - you had to right click the mouse or move it to bring it out of Exclusive mode, then wait the 5 seconds or so until it returns to Exclusive mode and voila.
I created a separate 3D zone to see if I could have different MadVR settings. I wanted to have windowed mode for non-3D and Exclusive for 3D in Zone Switch (I can differentiate the material using my custom 3D field), but it seems like it is still not possible to have two zones with different MadVR settings.
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I remember that bug! Not home to test but this was what we saw ..way way back, when 3D first came out. Nice find.
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I remember that bug! Not home to test but this was what we saw ..way way back, when 3D first came out. Nice find.
Yes, I remembered that, and because I am slow to adapt to new stuff, I always still include it in my testing of 3D
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I haven't taken MC23 off my HTPC yet. Does it make any sense to set it up and use it for 3D and MC24 for everything else? I'm never just browsing movies and select a 3D title. We always decide to do it ahead of time.
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I haven't taken MC23 off my HTPC yet. Does it make any sense to set it up and use it for 3D and MC24 for everything else? I'm never just browsing movies and select a 3D title. We always decide to do it ahead of time.
It might work if you set MC23 to be your "external program" for 3D content.
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I'm not even worried about it automatically working. It just seems like it might be easier overall. We don't watch 3D too often and when we do we plan it ahead of time.
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I'm not even worried about it automatically working. It just seems like it might be easier overall. We don't watch 3D too often and when we do we plan it ahead of time.
In that case, if you can get it working like I do, then you can just change a few settings and go for it when it is 3D time.
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So if we can find a combo that works for us all then it will give the MC Devs something to look at. I'll be able to test over the next couple of days.
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I haven't tested MC24 ... but on MC23 3D works automatically (Win10 Ver 1709 ... NVidia 1070 ... i7 ... 2016 LG E6) ... mine set on D3D11 windowed mode ... there are few tricks to make it work though
I will try install MC24 and test 3D this weekend
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I haven't tested MC24 ... but on MC23 3D works automatically (Win10 Ver 1709 ... NVidia 1070 ... i7 ... 2016 LG E6) ... mine set on D3D11 windowed mode ... there are few tricks to make it work though
I will try install MC24 and test 3D this weekend
thanks! yes - recall you helped me get 3D working perfectly on MC 23. we pretty much have exact same hardware except i have a 1080 Ti.
if you get it working in MC 24 let me know please :)
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Just installed MC24 ... curiously it imported MC23 library and MC23 MadVR settings automatically
so when I start it up for first time, all my movies/music were already added ... and when I entered MadVR setting, it first loaded "required" component, but when loading finished all my MC23 MadVR setting were present in MC24
Upon playing first movie ... it was loading another "required" component ... but when its done, everything seems to be working as it should ... HDR and 3D all work
4K plays in 1080p ... need to see rechecked MadVR settings
WIndows 10 is still version 1709 build 16299.371 ... GeForce GameReady driver 397.31
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Just installed MC24 ... curiously it imported MC23 library and MC23 MadVR settings automatically
so when I start it up for first time, all my movies/music were already added ... and when I entered MadVR setting, it first loaded "required" component, but when loading finished all my MC23 MadVR setting were present in MC24
Upon playing first movie ... it was loading another "required" component ... but when its done, everything seems to be working as it should ... HDR and 3D all work
4K plays in 1080p ... need to see rechecked MadVR settings
WIndows 10 is still version 1709 build 16299.371 ... GeForce GameReady driver 397.31
what version of madVr are you using with MC24?
you may be on a higher driver verdion for nvidia than me. might explain why 3D in this version does not work.
i too cant get it to play back in 4K either, even when desktop is set to 4K by default
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@tij - did you ever get MC24 to play 4K properly?
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Sorry ... was a bit busy moving my libraries to new NAS
My current settings are:
windows 10 version 1803 (build 17134.48) ... nvidia 397.64 ... mc 24.0.27 ... Madvr 0.92.4 (it came with mc24 ... didnt put newest available)
3D works as usual ... with automatic switching
4K ... a bit strange ... MadVR reports that it renders to 1080p ... but TV LG oled E6 says it receives 4k
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here is screen shot
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Did more testing
seems to work now
auto switching 3D
and 2D stuff renders in 4K now in MadVR
Last thing I did before it work was to restart computer in 2160p60 mode. 3D auto-switching seems to work now without needing to restart in 1080p resolution (probably thanks to new version 1803 Windows 10)
Most importantly
seems starting in 1080p is the cause of MadVR rendering in 1080p even though it is told to do in 2160p (like I said funnily TV reports it is receiving 2160p while MadVR renders in 1080p)
sad how work around for bugs in old Window version completely breaks down new Window version lol
I did fiddle a bit in MadVR with [display modes] and [stereo 3D]
so not sure if that helped too
as I cannot remember what I originally had, attached are screen shots of what I have now (2D and 3D profiles for these settings are identical)
and still running D3D11 Window mode as before
PS
seems either MC or new Windows update causing MadVR 3D upscaling to slow down considerably
need to turn down scaling algorithm to avoid frame drops
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I think I read somewhere else about the latest Windows update slowing down peoples MadVR processing and having to adjust settings accordingly. Can't remember where so take it for what it is worth.
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thanks. your setup is so close to mine i will take the windows update plunge
seems we can now run the desktop in 4K and have 3D work as opposed to booting into 1080p
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Getting closer.
I updated to the latest Windows 10 and MC 24.
Using older nVidia drives, 3D worked once, crashed MC multiple times.
The 3D toggle in Windows CPL now toggles nVidia correctly all the time regardless of desktop resolution. That's nice!
4K playback works when desktop is 4K
I'm now trying the same nVidia driver as you --- 397.64 --- to see if it fixes the 3D problem.
PItA
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ok. Seems the secret sauce was updating to same nVidia driver you are using! 397.64 (there's a later one. not touching it for now)
This is better than before as I can now run the desktop in 2160p.
Toggling from the Windows CPL for 3D now always toggles the nVidia CPL Stereoscopic setting on/off properly.
4K+HDR is also working fine.
Good to be on MC 24 finally :)
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Nice
glad to hear it all work out
Have not got a chance to play with MC24 ... as still moving library to new NAS ... moving is easy ... reorganising old mess is tough lol
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I think I read somewhere else about the latest Windows update slowing down peoples MadVR processing and having to adjust settings accordingly. Can't remember where so take it for what it is worth.
After careful inspection
MadVR ignores 1080p resolution set for 3D profile (that was highest resolution that 3D used to output from my PC)
now 3D outputs at 2160p, so needed to tone down scaling algorithm to avoid frame drop
This Windows 10 update is nice
4K desktop with 3D auto switching
and now can output 3D is 4K (reason I love this
can control scaling instead of letting TV do it)
Though it does seems that MC or MadVR is unable to switch resolution anymore
and renders in desktop resolution (at least frame rates changes correctly)
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Actually
MadVR upscale 3D to 4K
but TV receives 1080p (so waste of GPU to upscale image to 4K only to send 1080p to TV)
Sort of confirms my suspicious:
1. start PC in 1080p
HD stuff and 3D stuff get rendered to 1080p by madVR and TV receives 1080p
4K get downscale to 1080p by madVR but TV receives 4K signal
2. start PC in 4K
2D stuff get correctly rendered to 4K
3D gets upscaled to 4K but TV only receives 1080p
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i too noticed 3D working upscaled.
however i then updated madVr to latest, added in the complete set of resolution profiles intomadVr for each type of content! eg 4K!p, 3D and now it changes everything to the correct resolution of the video every time.
i also noticed that you can turn the LG on/off and everything still works! so this windows 10 update and near latest nvidia drivers have resolved all issues as far as i can tell.
Im going to pull out all the non 4K resolutions and see if madvr goes back to upscaling everything.
really since these TVs are fixed pixel displays, everything is uktimately upscaled anyway, no? it would come down to the quality of the scaler
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See attached what happens when watching 3D while running desktop at 4K (TV switches to 1080p as it should ... but MadVR does not)
MadVR upscales image to 4K (its very resource intensive as there are 2 images to upscale
left and right eye ... i have to turn quality of scaling from very high to medium in order not to drop frames)
but TV receives 1080p signal
so resources that MadVR use to scale up to 4K are waisted ... since something (Windows? ... MC?) scales it back to 1080p before sending to TV
Havent try to upgrade MadVR ... still on version supplied by MC24 ... which is 0.92.4
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yeah - I saw the same thing.
And of course, the TV would not be receiving two 4K images since it would not support that ;) but madVr does say it's scaling the image.
try upgrading madvr.
there's a bug in the version with MC24: if you try to rename custom profiles, the cursor/focus jumps up the tree for each character typed into the profile name. very annoying. also seems no harm in upgrading
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@TheShoe turns out it was DPI setting of Windows that were screwing with MadVR choice of scaling
see this thread for solution
https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,116106.0.html
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thanks. this should be on the wiki somewhere. im saving it in a doc because i know this will be forgotten and come back into play some day 😉
you mentioned sometimes you see a huge MC UI after watching. 3D movie. i have seen this too. not everytime and i dont recall if it was after a 3D movie or not
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I upgraded to the latest nvidia drivers and I seem to be all good now. Both 3D 1080fp and 4K/HDR is working just fine (including a DPI setting of 200%). FYI - I've used the nvidia control panel to create the separate 3D 1080p resolution and use MC's display rate changer to keep everything in 4K. My madVR setting are to enable 3D but I don't use madVR to swich 3D on or off (as it is now always on when I'm in 1080p mode).
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FYI - I've used the nvidia control panel to create the separate 3D 1080p resolution
not sure how to do that ... if you could explain a bit more ... wanna try it (always good to know more than one solution to the problem ... in case update renders one of the solution ineffective)
thing with DPI ... you dont really notice what its doing until press Ctr+J to see what madVR is doing ... and in my case (before me and @TheShoe found a walkaround) MadVR was scaling unnecessary due to DPI (visually you dont see this on TV cause signal get scale back before output to TV)
reason i notice it - there was massive frame rate drop ... which i thought was due to update ... its when tuning MadVR settings , i notice MadVR scaling where it should not be
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FYI - I've used the nvidia control panel to create the separate 3D 1080p resolution and use MC's display rate changer to keep everything in 4K. My madVR setting are to enable 3D but I don't use madVR to swich 3D on or off (as it is now always on when I'm in 1080p mode).
not sure how to do that ... if you could explain a bit more ... wanna try it (always good to know more than one solution to the problem ... in case update renders one of the solution ineffective)
Agreed. I feel like I'm back to step 0 with getting 3D working. If anyone wants to post a step-by-step on how they have 3D working on a 4K display I'd appreciate it.
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Here is how I got it working (sorry for the delay but testing Hendriks LAV Update). My setup is Win10 64-Bit Version 1803. nvidia driver is 397.93
1. Default Plugins: Make sure you have not manually updated anything in the "C:\Users\[username]\AppData\Roaming\J River\Media Center 24\Plugins" directory. If you have, then delete them all and let MC download it again. This seems to be important as I was testing the latest LAV Nightly and 3D stopped working but is fine with the MC Packaged versions.
2. Setup & Test GPU for 3D (see nvidiasetup.png): In my nvidia control panel, I went to "Set up stereoscopic 3D", enabled it and ran the Wizard. Make sure this works, with your screen and glasses. You well see it has then created HD 3D Resolutions. Select the 1080p/23 hz one.REBOOT. Check that your screen is still receiving 1080/23 Frame Packed.
3. Setup MC and madVR (see MC3D.png): For now make sure that in MC
- "Enable 3D Blu-ray and MKV 3D decoding" is checked.
- Also for now (just testing) make sure "Display Settings automatic change mode" is OFF. This will prevent any resolution changes being done by MC.
- In the madVR 3D settings just check "enable stereo 3d plaback"
Working? Now try playing a 3D Movie (if a BD, it must be in Title Mode not Menu Mode). You should see in the MadVR OSD (Ctrl+J) that lav/mad is in 3D Mode (madvr3d.png). If you have it working you can then turn back on MC's "Display Settings automatic change mode" and adjust madVR Settings as needed (I've included some screenshots of my madVR settings). For me I know have both 3D and 4K working just fine.
I've also included some screenshots of my other madVR setttings.
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Added to the wiki. Thanks, Nathan!
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...lets see if it works for others!
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@jmone ... note on your ctr+j screenshot ... madVR is scaling your 3d 1080p to 2160p ... at beginning i was like wow - now my 3d is in 4k ... but check your TV info, it is receiving 1080p ... so that upscaling is waisted (in fact without that upscale could have used higher setting to scale chroma)
this is what i mean by DPI screwing up with madVR ... see this topic https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,116106.0.html
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Yup - that screenshot was taken when I had put back my settings and could switch between 3D and 4K resolutions. I've selected a single madVR scaling algo that works across all my media. I "could" break up algos to use by types but I just am not that bothered. You will also note that on my setup I need to use YUV instead of RGB or I get a green push on my JVC but most would use RGB.
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I have been playing with 4K a bit.
I noticed that your madVR OSD output shows you are using D3D11, and yet your madVR setting are showing "Direct 3D 11 for presentation" is not selected.
My madVR OSD was showing D3D9, although that was for non-3D content.
Please explain?
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that is strange ... maybe new window update ditch d3d9 (on my setting D3D11 is selected ... to be sure 10bit is outputed)
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Just doubled checked. It is D3D11 3D when playing BD 3D and D3D9 when playing BD 2D. If I enable "Diect3D 11" in madVR then I get a repetitive flicker with 2D content (when playing the movie, but it goes away when you bring up any OSD but it drops to 8-Bit).
Anyway, this is a bit off topic ... I was intending the post to be about going through the steps to get 3D working reliably. Once it is working then by all means play with other settings as I'm sure there will be various combinations that work for different setups. This one works for me with the current versions I listed. Prior to this it was a different combination but.... something changed in the drivers/os/madvr/lav/mc that broke my previous setup (though we so rarely watch 3D I have no idea when it broke or why).
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That could be it. I haven't turned on 10 bit yet. Well, I did have it on, but it made Windows look horrible, as I didn't have the TV set to 10bit. So I turned it off.
I have 4K working, and I'm pretty much using the setting you are using. Just haven't tested 3D properly yet. I shall refine what I have done later and test 3D.
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For me the solution seemed to be the Windows 10 Spring update combined with the latest nVidia drivers (version posted earlier in this thread).
Essentially, the toggle on/off for 3D using the Windows OS setting now properly always controls the nVidia control panel toggle as well. And everything now works perfectly in Window mode rather than FSE, which makes even the UX more pleasing.
I can remove the custom profiles I set up now in madVr as they don't add anything useful.
really for the first time I have everything working 100% perfectly without some little compromise somewhere in the chain of hardware or software.
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Hi, There!
3D ISO Bluray is working here, but image is stuttering. Audio plays OK.
My setup is JRiver 24 on Windows 10 at a Zotac Nano PC ID68 (Intel HD 4400 graphics).
Is this setup good enough to run ISO 3D flawlessly?
Thanx in advance.
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Soooooo close. I updated to W10 1803. Latest Nvidia version 398.11 (released yesterday). I made the DPI changes as above. 3D works. 4K HDR works. Switching between them works.
My problem is that regular old 1080P isn't upscaling to 2160. It is being sent to the TV as 1080. The TV upscaling is good most of the time but some content like the dark scenes or gray cloudy scenes in GoT some episodes are not handled nearly as good as madVR.
I made no changes to my madvr profiles that were previously upscaling 1080 to 2160 and I didn't want to before checking with the wisdom of the crowd.
Any ideas?
I can't remember when I last watched 3D on this TV but I'm still so impressed. Its nice to have it back.
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if you set up two profiles in madvr, one for 3D and one for 2D and then for each tell it what are the allowed display resolutions it will scale for you. i did this and that is exactly what happens. you beed to also set a rule for madvr to tell it what profile to select
also disable jriver resolution change and let madvr do it
there is another thread with details on how to do this. can also reply later with the steps but too much to type out on a phone 😉
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As Hendrik has said, you are better off with MC's display rate changer (avoids making a display change when the filter graph is already built).... and FYI here is what I set (for a PAL country so if you are in a NTSC Challenged country you will want to set your "Default" setting to 59hz).
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As Hendrik has said, you are better off with MC's display rate changer (avoids making a display change when the filter graph is already built).... and FYI here is what I set (for a PAL country so if you are in a NTSC Challenged country you will want to set your "Default" setting to 59hz).
if you set up two profiles in madvr, one for 3D and one for 2D and then for each tell it what are the allowed display resolutions it will scale for you. i did this and that is exactly what happens. you beed to also set a rule for madvr to tell it what profile to select
also disable jriver resolution change and let madvr do it
there is another thread with details on how to do this. can also reply later with the steps but too much to type out on a phone 😉
Sorry, are you guys saying exactly the opposite or am I misunderstanding? I'm not sure if MC's display rate changer is the same as JRiver resolution changer.
Thanks again.
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I've been playing around. I can get everything to work if keep MC's Display Setting set for UHD then manually switch MC's Display settings prior to playing a 3D movie.
Oddly I erased everything in my User\Plugin folder but my madVR settings.bin file did not change. Could this be because I still have MC23 still installed?
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Yup different advice - and neither or both may be right! I suggest using MC's Display changer.
On the madVR side, Hendrik may be able to shed some light on what the default MC settings are and how they are retained. From memory, if there is nothing in the settings.bin file, madVR populates it from values it has also stored in the registry....
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yup - try each! i am continually amazed how things vary from seemingly similar setup to setup
the cool thing is you have the options. now to find the time and patience...
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I have now implemented 4K for all my video on my HTPC. I changed those settings I needed to to match what you described in your post Jmone: https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=115543.msg803243#msg803243
What I have different is:
1. I'm using a presentation queue of 8 frames rather than 4. Why 4?
2. When I set up 3D in the nVidia Control Panel I only had the options of 8 or 12 bit, so selected 12 bit. I don't have HDR content, and haven't turned on HDR & WCG (Wide Colour Gamut) in Windows 10 yet, but plan to try that as my TV can handle it. I assume that my TV is telling the nVidia driver that it is capable of 12 bit colour, and that is will use 10 bit if that is what the source provides.... But now I check again it is back to 8 bit colour. Hmmm. Maybe I had HDR turned on in Windows and/or on the TV when I ran the wizard.
3. I have the Windows 10 Custom Scaling Option set to 200% so that MC is readable on the TV from 3.5 metres away. This doubled the default font from 9 to 18 points, which was too big, so I dropped it back to 14 points, which works fine. Options > Tree & View > Advanced > Select font.
4. I have set the "Media Center 24.exe" to use the "High DPI Scaling Override" to "Application".
Things I noticed, and questions.
a. To play 3D content i do indeed need to play the main movie title only. 3D doesn't work when the Blu-ray menu is activated. In fact the menu doesn't work either, showing a message "3D EXPERIENCE REQUIRES 3D ENABLED TV & PLAYER" after a short display of a black screen. Will 3D blu-ray menus ever be possible?
b. When playing 3D content madVR does report D3D11 is being used, even though I don't have it turned on in madVR. 2D content uses D3D9.
c. The madVR Statistics display is also shown in 3D. Surprise!
d. MY TV does indeed switch to 1080p when 3D content is detected. As there are no user settings to make this happen, I assume that switching is built into the MC 3D functionality. Or is the nVidia driver doing the switching?
e. As I have the Windows 10 scaling set to 200%. when 3D is playing in 1080p instead of 4K the top drop-down OSD display is double size. But still usable. The font size might be contributing to that also.
So basically it all works with the settings recommended.
No need to change madVR settings to do the Display Resolution changes. MC is doing it all. Note that I didn't reset madVR before testing 3D, I just change the settings as required. I am using Jinc for both Chroma and Up/Down scaling. As per my signature, I'm using a NVidia MSI GeForce GTX 1060 GAMING X, 6GB card with the latest drivers, 397.93.
Now what happens if I turn on HDR in Windows and on the TV...
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1. I'm using a presentation queue of 8 frames rather than 4. Why 4?
It can be a bit hit a miss on if frames get dropped with various settings. If 8 works for you then it is fine. Don't sweat it.
2. When I set up 3D in the nVidia Control Panel I only had the options of 8 or 12 bit, so selected 12 bit. I don't have HDR content, and haven't turned on HDR & WCG (Wide Colour Gamut) in Windows 10 yet, but plan to try that as my TV can handle it. I assume that my TV is telling the nVidia driver that it is capable of 12 bit colour, and that is will use 10 bit if that is what the source provides.... But now I check again it is back to 8 bit colour. Hmmm. Maybe I had HDR turned on in Windows and/or on the TV when I ran the wizard.
There is a known issue with JVC PJ using 8-Bit RGB and HDR - I have to use YCbCr422 @ 10Bit due to this (else I get a Purple Push). What Joy.
3. I have the Windows 10 Custom Scaling Option set to 200% so that MC is readable on the TV from 3.5 metres away. This doubled the default font from 9 to 18 points, which was too big, so I dropped it back to 14 points, which works fine. Options > Tree & View > Advanced > Select font.
I find the scaling at 200% works well BUT you MUST reboot the PC when you change the scaling before playing content in MC or weird stuff like this happens
a. To play 3D content i do indeed need to play the main movie title only. 3D doesn't work when the Blu-ray menu is activated. In fact the menu doesn't work either, showing a message "3D EXPERIENCE REQUIRES 3D ENABLED TV & PLAYER" after a short display of a black screen. Will 3D blu-ray menus ever be possible?
Unlikely. For 3D Playback we need LAV Splitter. For Menus we need the libblurary. Unless the devs of libbluray add 3D Support then we can only ever get Title Playback.
b. When playing 3D content madVR does report D3D11 is being used, even though I don't have it turned on in madVR. 2D content uses D3D9.
That is correct. 3D content uses D3D11 and will use it regardless of what you set in madVR. On my System I (now) have to leave the madVR setting at D3D9 and without windows overlay else I get some weird issue that looks like the frames are out of order. There is no issue with D3D9.
c. The madVR Statistics display is also shown in 3D. Surprise!
d. MY TV does indeed switch to 1080p when 3D content is detected. As there are no user settings to make this happen, I assume that switching is built into the MC 3D functionality. Or is the nVidia driver doing the switching?
LAV is doing the magic of seeing it is a 3D disc, then using a specific MS DLL to deliver frame packed 3D to your TV/PJ.
e. As I have the Windows 10 scaling set to 200%. when 3D is playing in 1080p instead of 4K the top drop-down OSD display is double size. But still usable. The font size might be contributing to that also.
I've not seen this ... did you reboot after making all the changes? (note I don't do any MC exclusions on the DPI front).
So basically it all works with the settings recommended.
No need to change madVR settings to do the Display Resolution changes. MC is doing it all. Note that I didn't reset madVR before testing 3D, I just change the settings as required. I am using Jinc for both Chroma and Up/Down scaling. As per my signature, I'm using a NVidia MSI GeForce GTX 1060 GAMING X, 6GB card with the latest drivers, 397.93.
:)
Now what happens if I turn on HDR in Windows and on the TV...
It looks much better with UHD contnet! ...but you don't turn on HDR in Windows. Just check that madVR has "let madVR decide" under the Devices--> Your Screen--> HDR menu (should already be on). madVR OSD will tell you what colour space it is pushing to your TV for all content (eg PAL, 709, 2020 etc)
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...made some edits above. Now just kick back with a bevy and watch some content! Much better than twisting knobs and settings :)
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...but you don't turn on HDR in Windows.
I was talking about setting the Windows desktop to HDR, which is a option under Windows Display setting; "HDR and WCG"
I turned that on once and it made Chrome look awful, which I have since found is a known problem. Anyway, I hadn't turned on HDR support on my TV yet so I turned off the Desktop HDR. Now I can't turn it back on, as the setting won't stick. IF I turn on HDR support on my TV with just the Desktop or an App showing, the TV tells me it is receiving no signal.
So, some issues to resolve.
Just check that madVR has "let madVR decide" under the Devices--> Your Screen--> HDR menu (should already be on).
Thanks fo mentioning that. it was still set to "Convert HDR to SDR" which could be part of the issue above, or not. Anyway, now set to let madVR decide.
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...made some edits above. Now just kick back with a bevy and watch some content! Much better than twisting knobs and settings :)
nice. yes indeed. there is a bit of a lull in 4K content and time to catch up on all these rips
by the way - for an incredible 3D experience watch Pixars The Good Dinosaur. or the Hobbit Extended movies. the 3D is stellar on a good set of hardware
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I worked out, or stumbled upon, how to turn on the Windows Display setting "HDR and WCG" again... and it completely broke my 3D setup. I gave up trying to fix it last night. The nVidia 3D wizard wouldn't even work correctly, showing only one side of the 3D images sets.
The setting did make a difference though, as images had noticeably higher contrast and the Desktop was brighter with the setting on. But not worth it if 3D doesn't work.
So folks, don't turn on the Windows Display setting "HDR and WCG" if you want to use 3D.
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AFAIK the Windows HDR settings don't have anything to do with watching HDR movies so I have always left it off.
Also for me at least when I'm done watching 3D or HDR I need to hit STOP on the remote instead of the BACK button. BACKing out of HDR makes for super contrasty nastiness. BACKing out of 3D requires a CTRL+ALT+DEL or worse to get any image on the screen. Just hitting STOP avoids both scenarios.
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AFAIK the Windows HDR settings don't have anything to do with watching HDR movies so I have always left it off.
Yes I believe it just changes the Desktop Gamut and Contrast, which is HDR.
I found that Windows was stuck in 3D mode as shown un the Display Settings after turning on HDR and trying to play 3D. Turning that off allowed me to re-run the nVidia 3D Wizard, and get 3D working again. SO I would say Desktop HDR isn't ready for prime time, at least on my hardware.
I always press STOP, unless I want to go back to what is playing, even for normal video. It sounds like the consequences are worse with 3D video.
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was experimenting a bit more last night... i removed all the 1080p modes from my madvr 2D profile and now all video scales to 2160p, verified by madvr, my marantz, and tv. except 3D of course
i do find that after a lot of resolution and refresh rate switching and tv on/off for a day or two results eventually in having to kill the MC process. things hang somewhere in the chain of software. barely a minor annoyance.
for HDR i leave it off on the desktop. generally outside of MC imdont use the htpc for much else save an occasional game. have to put that 1080TI to other uses after all.
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As suggested above, I don't have any display modes set in madVR and let MC do Display Mode switching.
I have 4K working for all content except 3D, which is 1080p and switches automatically when 3D content is played, but only when played in Title mode. No 3D BD menus.
It is working well so far. I haven't used it enough to say whether MC needs restarting after a time.
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Could you "guys" check something? On my setup I'm seeing some difference in Lip Sync timing between 3D and 2D playback. This Wiki page has some A/V Sync test clips - https://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Lip_Sync
Could you test the Film Vs 3D film clips and see if they both have the same Lip Sync timing. For me the audio is about 128ms earlier on the 3D than the 2D versions.
Thanks
Nathan
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Lip sync drives me nuts. I'll try and work up the courage to test it.
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Using those patterns I don't really have a difference. Now I just need a 4K HDR pattern.
Just thought about something... need to check my AVR settings because that is where I normally make adjustments.
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Thanks - I'll play more (when I have time) to see what is so special about my setup. Then again we don't really watch 3D so I can always just change it when needed.
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It was pretty disappointing a couple nights ago when 3D didn't work when we actually wanted to use it. The only change I had made was to upgrade to .41. I deleted the new LAV filters, uninstalled .41 and installed 24.0.19 because that was the first download I found on my PC. I everything works again. I was still manually switching between 2160 and 1080.
Then after playing around testing files I went to the A/V sync files mentioned above while I was in 2160. The last one I played was the 3D file. I didn't dawn on me at first but it was playing the 3D perfectly. I hit ctrl+j to see what madVR was doing and it was sending 1080 to the TV. I stopped the 3D file and went to a UHD HDR file and it played at 2160. I have no idea why everything is working. I have backed up the MC library and created a restore point.
The HTPC has always been the server and main client. I am now seriously considering making my other PC the server and blocking my HTPC from the internet in the router.
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After a bunch of twiddling with settings (mostly nvidia and the PJ setup), I've got it all working without lipsync issues.
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Let me ask you again, to see if someone can help me with this issue:
3D ISO Bluray is working here, but image is stuttering. Audio plays OK.
My setup is JRiver 24 on Windows 10 at a Zotac Nano PC ID68 (Intel i5 processor, Intel HD 4400 graphics, Samsung 120GB SSD, 8GB RAM).
Using a modified version of KODI with this setup, I could run Bluray ISO 3D perfectly.
Is this setup good enough to run Bluray ISO 3D flawlessly on JRiver?
Do I have to make any special adjustments on madVR?
Thanx in advance.
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The CPU or graphics card might be too weak, its hard to tell over all the generations of hardware.
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Let me ask you again, to see if someone can help me with this issue:
3D ISO Bluray is working here, but image is stuttering. Audio plays OK.
My setup is JRiver 24 on Windows 10 at a Zotac Nano PC ID68 (Intel i5 processor, Intel HD 4400 graphics, Samsung 120GB SSD, 8GB RAM).
Using a modified version of KODI with this setup, I could run Bluray ISO 3D perfectly.
Is this setup good enough to run Bluray ISO 3D flawlessly on JRiver?
Do I have to make any special adjustments on madVR?
Thanx in advance.
Post screenshot of Ctr+J
you might have set MadVR setting too high for your hardware
that screenshot will hopefully tell us something
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Post screenshot of Ctr+J … you might have set MadVR setting too high for your hardware … that screenshot will hopefully tell us something
I tried to Ctrl+J but it only starts the update.
Tried to test with 2D mkv files using Red October HQ and the movie doesn't start at all. Screen goes black and nothing works, so I have to press stop to go back to the main screen.
I think there is really something wrong with MadVR settings.
Anyone to help?
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Let me ask you again, to see if someone can help me with this issue:
3D ISO Bluray is working here, but image is stuttering. Audio plays OK.
My setup is JRiver 24 on Windows 10 at a Zotac Nano PC ID68 (Intel i5 processor, Intel HD 4400 graphics, Samsung 120GB SSD, 8GB RAM).
Using a modified version of KODI with this setup, I could run Bluray ISO 3D perfectly.
Is this setup good enough to run Bluray ISO 3D flawlessly on JRiver?
Do I have to make any special adjustments on madVR?
Thanx in advance.
the kodi version you are using was specifically created using the intel media sdk. i believe you have hardware decoding at work when you use it but in any case it is designed around intel gpus specifically, and even then each release (i think it is officially dead now) had issues. i found the lip synch to be the most aggrevating of all.
lav+madvr i think do all mvc decoding in software, though i could certainly be wrong.
quite a while ago i tried lav+madvr in jriver on an intel gpu and i had not only stuttering but eventual crashes. i seem to recall tweaking the cpu and gpu queue sizes and that helped with the stuttering but inevitably it crashed again.
in the end i built a new htpc, slapped an nvidia 1080 Ti in it and everything works.
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Hmmm
never tried 3D without GPU
mine runs with 1070
though envy @TheShoe a lot for his 1080Ti
cannot afford new GPU as blown all my money on SuperMicro 36HDD chassis (could only afford to put 4 He12 drives in there
whatta joke lol)