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More => Old Versions => JRiver Media Center 23 for Windows => Topic started by: JimH on September 15, 2017, 03:16:46 pm
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It's out now, in the regular build thread near the top of this board. Look for a thread titled something like this: JRiver Media Center 23.0.60 -- Available Here
Please read the warning before downloading.
For license questions, please read Restoring a License (https://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Restoring_a_License).
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The new 64 bit version is 5 to 15% faster than the 32 bit "standard" version, and it can address more memory. Features are identical.
Please post any questions here.
A 64 bit version of MC requires a 64 bit version of Windows. Check under Control Panel > System or About. Most installations of Windows have been 64 bit for a few years. There is no harm in trying if you're uncertain. A 32 bit OS will tell you it can't install.
The first couple of builds didn't pick up the settings or license from the 32 bit version. These should be working now.
Back up from the 32 bit version, uninstall it, then install the 64 bit version.
Update channels should be working, so once you install the 64 bit version, you will receive the updates for it automatically.
If you use plug-ins, you will need to use 64 bit plug-ins with the 64 bit version.
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The first couple of builds didn't pick up the settings or license from the 32 bit version. These should be working now.
23.0.57 did not pick up the license from my 32-bit install.
I had a currently-active key that I was able to use to activate it though.
Settings, zones etc. all imported correctly.
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23.0.57 did not pick up the license from my 32-bit install.
I had a currently-active key that I was able to use to activate it though.
Settings, zones etc. all imported correctly.
Just now downloaded and installed.....mine did not pick up the registration either.... I have a 23 master license.
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23.0.57 did not pick up the license from my 32-bit install.
This is working as designed for now.
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Working here too.
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Working here too.
Whoops... Spoke too soon. Registration info was not picked up, shows as not registered.
Re-entering registration info resolved the problem.
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I'm very impressed with the 64-bit version. I haven't run benchmarks yet, but aside from having to load in 64-bit VSTs - which even retained the same settings for most plugins - the change to 64-bit has been very uneventful. And that should be taken as high praise indeed.
I can now play 4K videos with SVP interpolation, or 8K60 videos without Media Center crashing!
Could [App Version] report something like "23.0.57 (x64)" for the 64-bit build? That would make it a lot easier to identify when testing.
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I'm confused.
Jim said to post all 64 bit questions here yet I see many 64 bit questions posted to the regular (32 bit) web page (https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,112286.0.html).
Would be nice to have one location for each or both in one.
Which one should we use?
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You could post here. Don't worry about every little detail yet. We know there are a few rough spots.
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Didn't pick up registration on any of my 3 installs. Can't sync iPod or Android handhelds. They don't show up under devices. Redetecting drives didn't help.
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Didn't pick up registration on any of my 3 installs.
Its not supposed to.
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First thing I noticed, and not necessarily 64 bit related but in this new version the tv channel change is so much better.
Nice clean and quick change, one channel stops and the other starts. Great improvement, well done Yaobing!
Everything else working great for me so far.....
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Whooha ! x64 YES !
Another milestone for JRiver, congrats !
Changing TV channels is very much improved with this version, incl the x86 version. Now its behaviour is as it should be :-)
All my settings came also perfect with the installer.
Engen commands are also working.
Average speed went up with some percentages. Audio buffering seems also better/faster.
-Not sure it's a x64 or a general build version:
But since i've updated now all my 3 machines to the last x64 build i've noticed some issue with tags not getting filled when ripping audio-cd's.
I've tried several discs and none have been completed on tag writing.
Another thing i'm checking, ISO's won't start anylonger.
I've tested some BR rips, none starts.
Thanks to all @ JRiver !
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I moved to MC 64 bit in two PCs. In the first PC I followed your recommended procedure to install the 64 bit version before uninstalling the 32 bit one. After uninstalling the 32 bit version, all shotcuts were lost. I had to uninstall and install again and this procedure bough the shortcuts back. Simply reinstalling over without uninstalling first did not work.
In the second PC I backed up the library and settings and then uninstalled the 32 bit version. I had MC22 too and I also uninstalled it. After uninstalling all MC versions I had, I installed the MC23 64 bit version.
On all installations of MC23 64 bit the library and settings were restored, but not quite right. It did not pick the latest MC23 32 bit configuration, library and playlist. It looks like it picked them form some older installation or previous automatic backup. Problem fixed after restoring the backup I've done before installing the new version.
On the two PCs, after installing the 64 bit version for the first time, I had to reinstall the license.
My recommended migration procedure is the following:
1 - Backup library and settings (I backed up to a new folder I created in the root directory of a hard drive, not in the user folder);
2 - Uninstall the 32 bit version with all options unchecked (do not delete anything);
3 - Install 64 bit version;
4 - Restore library and settings;
5 - If necessary, reinstall the license.
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Another thing i'm checking, ISO's won't start anylonger.
SACD ISO works fine for me, on build 59.
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Installing both v57 & 59 caused a hard lockup on my running MC (playing music). Had to use Task Manager to shut down the running MC after which both installs continued on without further incident.
This has never been a problem before.
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I moved to MC 64 bit in two PCs. In the first PC I followed your recommended procedure to install the 64 bit version before uninstalling the 32 bit one. After uninstalling the 32 bit version, all shotcuts were lost. I had to uninstall and install again and this procedure bough the shortcuts back. Simply reinstalling over without uninstalling first did not work.
In the second PC I backed up the library and settings and then uninstalled the 32 bit version. I had MC22 too and I also uninstalled it. After uninstalling all MC versions I had, I installed the MC23 64 bit version.
On all installations of MC23 64 bit the library and settings were restored, but not quite right. It did not pick the latest MC23 32 bit configuration, library and playlist. It looks like it picked them form some older installation or previous automatic backup. Problem fixed after restoring the backup I've done before installing the new version.
On the two PCs, after installing the 64 bit version for the first time, I had to reinstall the license.
My recommended migration procedure is the following:
1 - Backup library and settings (I backed up to a new folder I created in the root directory of a hard drive, not in the user folder);
2 - Uninstall the 32 bit version with all options unchecked (do not delete anything);
3 - Install 64 bit version;
4 - Restore library and settings;
5 - If necessary, reinstall the license.
This is probably the best way of upgrading it.
I too though installed 64bit first then uninstalled 32bit after. Another problem created by doing it this way is that MC23.exe is removed from System32 after uninstalling 32bit. It can be fixed however by just re-running the installer for 64bit.
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I just installed 64 bit build 59 and it's looking good. However I tried CTR-J check for updates, and it returned "error checking for updates". I don't know if that's an issue or just a temporary thing with your server..
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If you're on stable channel then it will do that because there just isn't any version released there yet. On latest or beta it should be fine.
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That was it. Thanks.
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On the 32 bit version, I was never really convinced of any point or benefit in using the OpenGL option for TheaterView. But I thought I would just try it on the 64 bit version, and it seems to be much snappier.
This may be just a random impression, and I have certainly not attempted to do a proper four way 32/64 bit versus OpenGL/Regular set of comparisons. However I suppose that OpenGL may indeed be optimized for a 64 bit environment. Or??
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Worked like charm, watched a movie tonight without noticing any difference what so ever. Which is a good thing, I suppose.
Sidenote: As long as license does not work you should probably not write so specifically that one should first install 64-bit, then uninstall 32-bit version in the OP.
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Check test of Open GL in Theaterview. Smoother than it was in 32 bit. Still get some stuttering (at which point the CPU & GPU jump from 5%ish utilisation to 15-20% each for a couple of seconds).
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I want to say a big thank you to everyone who has helped us with the transition to the new 64 bit version. Thanks for helping answer so many questions, for pointing out the flaws, and for your patience. You've helped make it a pleasant experience for most everyone.
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Hats off the to JR team as well! Quick responses both in posts and code changes. Has been a lot of fun over the weekend.
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Indeed, a job well done by all concerned, both JRiver and customers.
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Check test of Open GL in Theaterview. Smoother than it was in 32 bit. Still get some stuttering (at which point the CPU & GPU jump from 5%ish utilisation to 15-20% each for a couple of seconds).
I just tested it here, and the OpenGL version performs significantly worse than D3D9 for me. GPU usage was 3-4x higher and it was dropping frames/stalling all over the place when scrolling through a big list of items with page up/down.
However this has caused another problem to occur on my system:
After switching back to the D3D9 renderer, it's now locked to 60 FPS when it was previously running at 100 FPS. (100Hz display)
It seems to ignore the framerate setting altogether now. If I set it to 30, it still runs at 60. The OpenGL renderer also ignores the framerate setting, but still runs at 100 FPS.
EDIT: To clarify, this is Theater View's framerate, video playback is fine.
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Noticed this morning the same thing. Without knowing the cause,
Since the latest build/x64 the framerates aren't updated anylonger when switching 'source'.
I did checked my settings - which aren't changed lately - as before everything was smooth.
After playing a 24f/sec movie i switched to Television.
TV was output' seemed as 24f/sec = shuttering.
Then switched to a PAL DVD and still on 24f/sec.
My screen' OSD confirmed me 24f/sec and not switching.
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Well, the x64 seems to work quite flawlessly.
However, I just encountered a bug that I think might be relateable to the x64 version. When MC found an update and I clicked on the button, it said something like MC23.exe not found in system32. When I closed MC and restarted it, it just updated itself like it usually does.
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oh this just happend to me. I did not have the sense to close MC and reopen, I just did a manual download....
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I am seeing v high cpu usage when viewing the analyser in DSP studio to the extent that asio line in playback immediately starts crackling whenever I look at analyser. This didn't happen with the 32bit build though I'd need to reinstate a 32bit version of .60 to be sure of that.
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Hi,
I have both 32 and 64 bit installed. Dolby 5.1 works on 32 bit, but gives a Playback Problem error on 64 bit. Any suggestions?
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AFAIK, Dolby Digital encoding isn't available in the 64-bit builds yet.
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I have both 32 and 64 bit installed. Dolby 5.1 works on 32 bit, but gives a Playback Problem error on 64 bit. Any suggestions?
AFAIK, Dolby Digital encoding isn't available in the 64-bit builds yet.
That is correct. It is why I am still using 32bit on my HTPC.
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Where is "the regular build thread"? I can't find the 64 bit version to download.
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It's near the top of this board.
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Great news about the 64 bit version.
My home automation totally depends on the "Playing Now" plugin, and I seem to remember JRiver purchased the rights to that plug in ?
Does anyone know if a new 64 bit version of the "Playing Now" plug in will be available ?
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Tried the 64 bit version for first time tonight using version 23.0.60. Not showing as licensed - had licensed 23.0.48 32 bit version already installed. Channel changing appears faster - that will make the wife happy.
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Tried the 64 bit version for first time tonight using version 23.0.60. Not showing as licensed - had licensed 23.0.48 32 bit version already installed.
This is by design. You'll need to restore a licence to activate the 64 bit version.
Spike
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This is by design. You'll need to restore a licence to activate the 64 bit version.
Spike
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Which part confuses you? The:
Design? - I'm only echoing comments made in other threads you may have missed.
Restoring a license? - This is a simple and routine operation http://lmgtfy.com/?q=jriver+restoring+a+license (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=jriver+restoring+a+license)
:) :) :)
Spike
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Awesome work, guys!
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where i can get it? cant find in https://www.jriver.com/download.html
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where i can get it? cant find in https://www.jriver.com/download.html
https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,112337.0.html
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Unfortenately new version 23.0.60 did not pick up the license from my 32-bit installation.
I only saw the standard text for a 30 days try license.
So I had to copy the activation key into clipboard and activate JRiver accordingly.
However this reduced my amount of valid license restore possibilities:
"You have recently restored a licence for Media Center 23 Windows. There are 10 restores available in each 12 month period. There are 8 restores remaining at this time." :(
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where i can get it? cant find in https://www.jriver.com/download.html
At the top of this board. Both the 32bit and the 64bit versions are included in the one thread. https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/board,53.0.html
Damn, Spike beat me again!
Unfortenately new version 23.0.60 did not pick up the license from my 32-bit installation.
A well documented requirement for a new installation of the 64bit version. Just read a couple of posts up.
However this reduced my amount of valid license restore possibilities:
"You have recently restored a licence for Media Center 23 Windows. There are 10 restores available in each 12 month period. There are 8 restores remaining at this time." :(
So what? You have 8 restores left. And that is just in this year. The count gets reset each year. I used my first restore when installing the 64bit, ever I think, and I've been using MC for four years. Aside from that, if you ever run out of restores, just post a thread in the forum and ask for the restore count to be reset. I haven't ever seen such a request denied.
Note also that when you restore your licence an email will be sent to you containing an "mjr" licence file. That is valid for 14 days and can be used to install a licence on your other PCs, or to restore a licence multiple times on the same PC, within the 14 days.
It couldn't be easier, if you read the instructions, or more generous, really.
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Hello,
I am currently using MC21 and can't read 4K HEVC encoded movies which is a pity considering the fact that VLC is able to play these movies.
I gave a try to the 64 bits version this morning. I was hoping that MC23/64 will be able to playback 4K HEVC encoded movies on my system.
The result of my attempt has been an immediate crash of MC23/64. I don't know if this is due to a weakness of my config or to MC...
Is someone able to play 4K/HEVC movies with MC ?
Udayan
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Not sure if we post issues here or not since it says to post questions. I didn't see any place for problems to be posted for the x64 version.
Just added a new movie and went to pull up cover (Get from Internet) and the box is blank with no line to make sure the title is correct or anything. What does come up is the main Get Cover Art box and that's it.
See attached image.
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Cover Art -> Get From Internet isn't typically available for movies at all. What kind of files do you have there?
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Cover Art -> Get From Internet isn't typically available for movies at all. What kind of files do you have there?
Right click on movie/get from internet not cover art/get from internet although they may lead to the same thing. lol
I've been doing these same steps since MC 17-18. They are mainly *.mp4 with a few *.mkv mixed in. Was working in the x86 version of MC 23 just fine. Without doing this my movies don't have cover art and are just a partial screen grab of the start of each movie.
UPDATE!!
Odd I just went back in again and right clicked on the same movie and the top option was different (probably what I'm used to all the time) "Get Movie and TV info" which it was able to find the info and cover art once I renamed the Movie as usual removing periods that are somehow hard coded into the file since the actual files always get renamed to remove the periods and other info before moving them to their respective resting places on my server for playing.
I guess the program was just glitching and wasn't showing the proper menu select as if it was thinking the selection was a audio file or something.
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As reported in another thread, my ASIO output under Audio is not available in the 64bit version, but it is and works fine under the 32bit version. Is this to be expected? Could it be that I need a special 64bit ASIO driver for it to appear in the MC 64bit version?
Is anybody else seeing this?
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64-bit Media Center needs a 64-bit ASIO driver. If your hardware manufacturer does not provide that out of the box, you should inquire there.
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I think I'll wait for 30 days until I update...just like I do Windows updates for the city where I'm the Network Administrator. I'd rather there be time to work all the bugs out on the "other end" before I create more work for myself. I'll keep an eye on this thread, though. I'm only using the audio portion of JRiver for 2 channel only and no movies, surround, etc. etc., so some of this stuff might not affect me. Still gonna wait, though.
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64-bit Media Center needs a 64-bit ASIO driver. If your hardware manufacturer does not provide that out of the box, you should inquire there.
Thank you. I thought so. I have received a firmware from the vendor enabling me to use the new native USB Audio 2.0, so all is good.
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Did an install today:
- Lost my licence code and deducted 1 from my 10 available to reapply :-(
- Doesn't detect my AK70 handheld (32-bit version is fine). Attempting to re-detect, reboots etc doesn't fix
- Removing 32-bit version after 64-bit install killed all my MC shortcuts
I've reverted to the 32-bit version until the handheld thing is resolved. If anyone from JRiver wants diagnostic info just let me know and I'll be happy to help
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- Lost my licence code and deducted 1 from my 10 available to reapply :-(
A few quick comments:
- You get 10 available within a 12 month period, not 10 for the rest of your life.
- Each license code is good for 14 days. That means during a 12 month period you get 140 days (20 weeks) of a license code available.
- A single license code can be used on all your PC's. I used a single code for upgrading to 64-bit on my laptop, HTPC, and office PC.
- Most will upgrade to the next version of JRiver before using 10 codes in a 12 month period.
- Finally, JRiver will reset your code count if you ask them nicely.
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Thanks for the new 64-bit version of JRiver MC23.
Seems to run smoothly here, except: as others have reported downloading MC 23.0.60 64-bit meant loosing ones registration info, but that was fixed by restoring the registration code - as was proposed here.
Moreover, as recommended by the admin I uninstalled MC23 32-bit, but once done the MC icon in the process line at the bottom of the screen, used for easy 1-click activation of MC, was no longer functioning - of course since MC23 32-bit had been uninstalled. But how do I (re-)create the same 1-click easy access for MC23 64-bit? We can only downloaded the specific build 23.0.60, and so every time the program runs its installation process instead of simply opening MC immediately. Sorry if there's an easy (i.e.: obvious) fix for this, but I'm a PC novice..
Lastly, upon downloading MC23 64-bit and restoring the registration code my 64-bit W10 Pro called for some updates, which I then did, but after restart I couldn't get any sound from Blu-ray playback. Checked all settings, all seemed OK. Then I restarted again, and this time around a pop-up window alerted me of something like "Failed to open parse file 00045-ish"(??) Tried numerous times to get the Blu-ray disc to play, but to no avail. Then I chose to uninstall the latest Windows updates I'd just made (thank god this is possible), and after restart I was yet again able to play back my Blu-rays - with sound. Could this indicate a problem with the new Windows updates and MC23 64-bit (and even the 32-bit version)? Upcoming Windows 10 updates to my knowledge cannot be skipped - only temporarily..
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Find the MC23 app, then right click and drag where you want it. Choose "create shortcut".
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Find the MC23 app, then right click and drag where you want it. Choose "create shortcut".
Hmm, what part of the "app"? I can create a shortcut, but then it runs through its installation process again instead of starting the program immediately..
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Try a Google search for how to create a shortcut.
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Try a Google search for how to create a shortcut.
Now I got it, thank you.
Additional question: my HTPC is an older bugger, and using madVR as renderer for watching Blu-rays has had a tendency to sport sync problems between sound and image (the processor is too weak, I gather). With the new 64-bit MC23 however this problems seems to be more or less alleviated. Could the 64-bit version really have an influence here?
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Yes.
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Just installed the 64-bit version. Installation went fine. Then I needed to rip some CD's. It finds the disc info fine, but as it rips it changes every track to Track 1, Artist Unknown, Album Unknown. It is saving the file in the correct file with Artist/Album/Song Title in the file name, but it's gone from the recently ripped screen.
Is this a 64-bit bug? Is it a known aberration? Did I do something that is causing this?
Thanks,
Kevin
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Working great on my Win 7 Pro x64, NVIDIA 980 Ti SOC, LG OLED55C6P 4K, and Gustard X12 DAC w/ JBL Subwoofer and Studio Monitor setup.
Definitely faster than x86 version.
Thank you JRiver! Best Media Player!
-serper
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Is this a 64-bit bug? Is it a known aberration? Did I do something that is causing this?
A known problem, already fixed in the next release. Don't rip anything until you have it! ;)
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Just done an upgrade installation from 32 bit 23.0.46 (in which all was well) to 64bit 23.0.60 and all remains well with the exception that my TV and network radios are no longer seeing the Media Center DLNA server. I've checked with the local firewall disabled to ensure that nothing was getting inadvertently blocked but that wasn't it. Things look OK as far as the Media Center configuration settings are concerned and I don't believe I've overlooked anything.
Suggestions please.
[Edit by JimH -- firewall configuration problem -- please see below.]
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Suggestions please.
Try disabling DLNA, save with an OK, then re-enable DLNA. That helped for someone else with a similar issue on 64bit.
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You could try:
rebooting
disabling and re-enabling Media Network.
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OK - mea culpa. The problem was, fortunately, a firewall misconfiguration which, when corrected, brought the DLNA to life.
It's very easy to miss a simple dot in a path name late at night. Things now appear to be as they were - sorry to have given you some anxious moments.
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Does the 64-bit version have any 2-channel audio improvements ?
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Well I plopped down on the couch tonight to stream some shows with this new version and everytime I would start a show it would freeze and I would have a Media Center has stopped working looking for a solution pop up on my pc. I rebooted to the same issue. Uninstalled X64 version and went back to X86 and it's working fine. Don't know what the issue is but I guess I'll wait for a definitive version to be released instead of a beta. Was nice and snappy also switching menu's and scrolling through titles in my living room unlike the boggy and hesitating 32bit counterpart. :-/
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Well I plopped down on the couch tonight to stream some shows with this new version and everytime I would start a show it would freeze and I would have a Media Center has stopped working looking for a solution pop up on my pc. I rebooted to the same issue. Uninstalled X64 version and went back to X86 and it's working fine. Don't know what the issue is but I guess I'll wait for a definitive version to be released instead of a beta. Was nice and snappy also switching menu's and scrolling through titles in my living room unlike the boggy and hesitating 32bit counterpart. :-/
Odd. Settings? You could start a thread if you want help. It's not something I recall seeing.
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Exciting news, this is a great direction for the software. Thanks for your work.
I noticed two problems in my setup:
I have a Pi ID set up as a network player. It doesn't appear as a DLNA zone in 64 bit MC.
Also, remote control command learning doesn't work yet, under PlayPower using a USB-UIRT device.
Both problems were solved by rolling back to 32 bit version and uninstalling 64 bit. Of course, there may be another reason causing the problems, because computers etc. Happy to test once time frees up over here.
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64 bit Installation OK thanks!
the only question is abount licensing: I bought a regular JRiver 23 but the system is asking to re-enter the license key again and I am notified about a temporary license key installed. What's underneath? should I buy a license for 64bit (hope not)?
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Please see Restoring a License on our wiki. No need to buy another license.
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From what I see, the majority of posts on the 64-bit version are video related.
What kind of improvement with audio, if any, should I expect from upgrading? Currently using JRMC20.
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DLNA should work. Not sure about learning. Both could be Windows security.
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What kind of improvement with audio, if any, should I expect from upgrading? Currently using JRMC20.
For example, there's the SoX resampler for resampling as an option, TPDF dithering as an option and the memory playback options are available for audio in the newer Media Center versions.
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Many thanks for moving to 64 bit!
All seems fine for TV viewing, except for Dolby Digital encoding not working.
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Installation of the 64 bit new version 23.0.60 on the MC 23 32 bit without any problem. Works very well! :)
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Get the point about the licence - was confused why it did what it did but no matter.
More importantly for me is the fact that it doesn't see my handheld which works fine in the 32-bit version, same device, same PC, same cable, different MC23s
Is this a known problem?
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Handheld support isn't in the 64-bit build yet, according to Hendrik. Same with Dolby Digital encoding.
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hi there, where is a link to download mc23 64 bit please and a tutorial ples.thank you for help
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Is there a list of functions, which are not supported in the current release of the 64 bit version?
Specific Question: Is Red October HQ 64 bit?
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I really really miss the Windows 7 Taskbar Plugin. Very close to reverting back to 32 just for it! I wish on a star that the maker can update it for x64 :) Author: Mr. ChriZ....or someone new with the knowledge to update it.
Have a great day in Interact
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Specific Question: Is Red October HQ 64 bit?
ROHQ works in the 64 bit version.
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hi there, where is a link to download mc23 64 bit please and a tutorial ples.thank you for help
Please read the first post.
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Not sure how else to report this. The instructions for the 64 bit version say to install it and then uninstall the 32 bit version. When you do so via Windows 10 Control Panel it removes your desktop icon and all references to JRiver in the Start menu. Reinstalling the 64 bit version did not install anything on the desktop or the Start Menu. I have gotten accustomed to having Windows track what just got installed and putting folders in the Start Menu for me so I got a bit confused. Eventually I gave up and found the ../Program Files directory (have not had to do that for a few years guys) and drug out the exe file to get a desktop icon. OK I may be pretty old school about the desktop icon as that seems to be going out of favor but there should be something installed in the Windows Start menu, yes?
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Is the ignore article feature working in 23.0.60-64bit ?
I ask because I've just noticed that all the "The" entries in my library (sorted by Artist) are lumped together and toggling Tree & View/Sorting/Ignore Articles doesn't change this.
Is this my problem or yours?
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Is the ignore article feature working in 23.0.60-64bit ?
I ask because I've just noticed that all the "The" entries in my library (sorted by Artist) are lumped together and toggling Tree & View/Sorting/Ignore Articles doesn't change this.
Is this my problem or yours?
Please update to build 61.
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Not sure how else to report this. The instructions for the 64 bit version say to install it and then uninstall the 32 bit version. When you do so via Windows 10 Control Panel it removes your desktop icon and all references to JRiver in the Start menu. Reinstalling the 64 bit version did not install anything on the desktop or the Start Menu. I have gotten accustomed to having Windows track what just got installed and putting folders in the Start Menu for me so I got a bit confused. Eventually I gave up and found the ../Program Files directory (have not had to do that for a few years guys) and drug out the exe file to get a desktop icon. OK I may be pretty old school about the desktop icon as that seems to be going out of favor but there should be something installed in the Windows Start menu, yes?
You did better than I did! On two machines, I had the same experience with the desktop icon and start menu removing all traces of MC. I assumed that Windows had uninstalled both versions, including the 64 bit, because the control panel of programs and features showed both to be gone. I had to reinstall 64 bit from scratch and reregister it on both PCs. I didn'tt document it well enough to report as a bug, so thanks!
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So, I took the risk! - I installed the 64 bit version on my "Production"-HTPC in my living room. Uninstalled 32 bit version->Install 64 bit Version->Restore Library from Backup.
Working perfect :). LG_Cymatic_Jazz_HDR10 play's in its full "Glory" without any hitches. I played other videos and audio files - no problem so far.
Great Job! Congratulations!
I had the impression that the 64 bit version sounds a little bit different, but .... you know :)
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Handheld support isn't in the 64-bit build yet, according to Hendrik. Same with Dolby Digital encoding.
This is correct. These are the two big features not currently working, which need to be rebuild since they relied on old things that can't be easily updated to 64-bit.
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Put aside some time to install the 64 bit version tonight. I was ready to dig in. Took about 4 minutes. Everything I need/use works perfectly. I have some time left over!!! Thanks.
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Nice to hear. Thank you.
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Odd. Settings? You could start a thread if you want help. It's not something I recall seeing.
All imported with a backup from the x86 version. I've gone through and looked things over and it all seems fine. I don't know if it was in relation to watch all vs watch but I did select watch all each time I was trying to play 2 shows.
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Should there be a "64-bit caveats/missing features" list or something added to the first post? Since Dolby Digital and handheld support is currently missing from the 64-bit builds.
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Yes, I'd appreciate it.
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There is a strong warning in the build thread:
"This is an early build of JRiver Media Center 23 for Windows 64-bit, recommended for advanced users only. You may experience new problems, so please back up your library before installing."
I think that's enough. Any differences should rapidly disappear.
If you're not able to cope with a few problems, please don't use it.
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There is a strong warning in the build thread:
"This is an early build of JRiver Media Center 23 for Windows 64-bit, recommended for advanced users only. You may experience new problems, so please back up your library before installing."
I think that is more than enough warning. Yet, people who are definitely not advanced users are already writing to me, asking whether they should upgrade. They're chomping at the bit, but I tell them all it will be a great upgrade in a few weeks; for now it would be more painless to keep going with the 32-bit version you've been happy with until now.
These are not people who would report bugs, but rather would be unhappy if things didn't work exactly as they were used to.
As for myself, I run several PCs with MC on them, and I have upgraded to 64-bit even on our family's main viewing room. I don't know why they put up with me. :)
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I noticed with the new 64bit Version the windows start continues to work even after watching a whole movie. With the 32bit version it would it not work anymore after using media centre for an extended period.
Not sure if this "fix" is coincidental or intentional but either way it was nice to find.
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I noticed with the new 64bit Version the windows start continues to work even after watching a whole movie. With the 32bit version it would it not work anymore after using media centre for an extended period.
Not sure if this "fix" is coincidental or intentional but either way it was nice to find.
This alone for me would be a good reason to swap :)! Already tried the 64 bit version everything seemed fine except it wouldn't send Hauppage IR blaster commands so I reverted back and decided to wait a little longer...
But this alone would be nice so I'll give it another shot and report back if I see issues with it.
thx!
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I don't know of a problem sending IR.
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When will audio output to Dolby Digital work, this was on for my 32 bit install, installed 64 bit and when this setting is enabled crashes the program.
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In MC23.0.63 and above. See the Release Notes Summary (https://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Release_Notes_MC23).
PS: I haven't tested it yet. About to soon.
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I noticed with the new 64bit Version the windows start continues to work even after watching a whole movie. With the 32bit version it would it not work anymore after using media centre for an extended period.
Not sure if this "fix" is coincidental or intentional but either way it was nice to find.
On my machine the 64bit version has the same start menu problem as the 32bit version. Nothing changed.
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On my machine the 64bit version has the same start menu problem as the 32bit version. Nothing changed.
Ok. Lol... Well I'm not complaining if it stays fixed on mine. See what happens
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Didn't pick up registration on any of my 3 installs. Can't sync iPod or Android handhelds. They don't show up under devices. Redetecting drives didn't help.
Android media device not showing up under "Drives & Devices"
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On my machine the 64bit version has the same start menu problem as the 32bit version. Nothing changed.
This is a Windows problem, not a JRiver problem. It also affects other software (e.g. Steam, Adobe applications, etc.).
There is a workaround here: https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,106925.0.html
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This is a Windows problem, not a JRiver problem. It also affects other software (e.g. Steam, Adobe applications, etc.).
There is a workaround here: https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,106925.0.html
Thanks for posting. I have followed this issue closely. The workaround is great! Just commenting about a report that the 64bit version might have inherently solved the problem. It does not.
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With the 64-bit version, ROHQ manages to display only a couple of frames per second watching a TV recording. RO standard works fine. Graphics card is a GTX970 with Sep 21 WHQL driver and up-to-date Win 10 environment, 16GB DRAM and reasonably fast system otherwise.
ROHQ on the 32-bit version managed stutter-free video, but crashed from time to time, so I couldn't use it.
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The Chromium browser plugin is missing in the 64 bit version. You can select Chromium in the Options menu but it defaults to IE since it can't find the 64 bit Chromium plugin.
When you look in the JRiver plugin directory in user/appdata/roaming, there is a Chromium64 directory but it's empty.
Can you please add this in the 64 bit version. Some websites don't work properly when using IE.
Thanks
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I Confirm the IR Blaster is not working for me with the 64 bit version. I tried re-running the TV set-up and it does not even show up (see 32 bit snaphot) 64 bit shows the MCE one which I'm not using.
If you need more info or logs let me know.
thx
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IR Blasting for Hauppauge devices relies on a proprietary driver to be installed on your system (hcwirblast.dll), which probably comes with your IR blaster device. If this is not available in 64-bit, then MC cannot use it.
A quick check didn't really turn up any information if its available. I would probably be in C:\Windows\System32 if it exists (not in SysWOW64 - thats the 32-bit version).
If anything like that exists but it still doesn't work, let us know. Unfortunately I don't actually have such a device, but maybe Yaobing does? He wrote this years ago.
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Thanks Hendrik. Yes I remember as I've been asking Yaobing for this :)..
I'll post this in the Televsion section where it belongs.
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IR Blasting for Hauppauge devices relies on a proprietary driver to be installed on your system (hcwirblast.dll), which probably comes with your IR blaster device. If this is not available in 64-bit, then MC cannot use it.
A quick check didn't really turn up any information if its available. I would probably be in C:\Windows\System32 if it exists (not in SysWOW64 - thats the 32-bit version).
If anything like that exists but it still doesn't work, let us know. Unfortunately I don't actually have such a device, but maybe Yaobing does? He wrote this years ago.
Thank you. I will test this over the weekend and report back.
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I can’t connect my android phone Samsung NOTE 4 and S8 plus to MC 23 64bit. I didn’t have problem with MC 22 which still have in my PC.
Thanks
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Handheld support isn't in the 64-bit build yet.
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Questions? No I don't have any question for the time being, just applauses. Good work guys, this 64 bit version is better.
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I have a 64 bit system but hesitant to install the new program. Old saying, 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it", but if there is a significant improvement in audio performance, I will install it. So is there that type of improvement in audio performance??
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some say yeah some say nay....it's all in the ear (buds) ;D
test it for yourself....they can run side by side
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I have a 64 bit system but hesitant to install the new program. Old saying, 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it", but if there is a significant improvement in audio performance, I will install it. So is there that type of improvement in audio performance??
No. JRiver has not said that they did anything to improve audio performance. They do not advertise it as such. It's just a 64 bit port. You won't notice any audio improvement at all.
Brian.
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No. JRiver has not said that they did anything to improve audio performance. They do not advertise it as such. It's just a 64 bit port. You won't notice any audio improvement at all.
Brian.
With the 64 bit system comes an improved play from memory system which allows the whole album to be loaded. Some will argue that this can improve sound, although that is certainly a point for debate.
MC hands the data off to a driver. It is theoretically possible that a driver may perform better at 64 bit than at 32 bit. For example, it may have better jitter performance. Not very like, but possible in some cases.
In addition, if you are at the edge of your system performance with conversions or DSPS, the improved performance may possibly improve the sound.
As for MC providing the correct bits, that does not change.
My conclusion would be that it is highly unlikely that 64 bits makes a difference but these ancillary issues can possibly make a difference in rare cases. But I would certainly not count on it.
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Jim or Matt
I think I put the following post in the wrong place Here:https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,112509.0.html
Post was as follows and has been confirmed by another member AndrewFG
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Hi,first I think that the 64bit version is excellent,the extra memory usage available is very useful
and no real issues in use, other than,something I believe I have a answer for(although not the implementation of)
I like to use JRiver to play my DSD collection,and use JRiver as a memory player.
I like to load the full album to the memory,and when I press play and this process starts
the Library window locks up and I can do nothing else until the album has loaded.
And as the files are quite large this take a little time,so if I press play and quickly press
the Windows key the library window minimizes(although you have to be quick).
So I would like to ask if it is possible to add an option setting to the options window,
to check off, for "minimize on play"/so that if this is checked and you press play the
library window minimizes at that moment,and the file loads in the background.
Allowing the user to continue what they might be doing,while the file is loading
Thank you all again, for the 64bit option to JRiver Media Center
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Maybe a stupid question but before I try I figured I'd ask. Are there any 32bit / 64 bit incompatibilities? I want to try the 64 bit on a client while leaving the server on 32 bit.
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Maybe a stupid question but before I try I figured I'd ask. Are there any 32bit / 64 bit incompatibilities? I want to try the 64 bit on a client while leaving the server on 32 bit.
I ran that way for a while. It worked fine, although I had some other issues related to OpenGL in Theatre View on the Server that muddied the waters a bit. Once Dolby Digital support arrived in the 64bit version I converted the Server to 64bit as well. All good.
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Hi
I can not rip CDs in 64 bit version
Error: destination folder can not be read only
It is not, because I can access to the destination folder on a Synology NAS and write or delete anything.
Any help?
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Does it work if you try a local location, e.g. a folder on the Desktop?
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Aeon visualization, and presumably any add-on visualization, doesn't work. Not really a JR problem, but FYI for those thinking of upgrading.
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Does it work if you try a local location, e.g. a folder on the Desktop?
Hi,
Tried to rip CD to local disk (as you suggest) in my dedicated Dell Latitude and it works.
So, it should be a problem with my Synology NAS.
It was. The problem was the Dell accessing the Synology as a guest (don't know why), without write privileges.
After disabling guest access on the Synology, Dell Latitude accesses now using the administrator account with write privileges (with proper Windows Credentials).
Problem solved thanks to your suggestion.
Note: this may affect other JRiver users with Synology NASs.
Many thanks
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Hi any news about ETA for support of handheld devices in the 64bit version? I couldn't understand yesterday why I was able to see my Android based player in the Window's File Explorer and Windows media player but it could not be detected by JRiver.
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Been running this for a good few days now, (just for audio), nothing untoward to report. 64 bits eh? Anyone remember a PDP-8?
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Been running this for a good few days now, (just for audio), nothing untoward to report. 64 bits eh? Anyone remember a PDP-8?
Designed by Gordon Bell and Edson de Castro at DEC. 12 bit words and 32k word maximum memory. Ran OS/8. Used RK-05 disks with a capacity of 1.6M words. de Castro left DEC to found Data General so he could build a 16 bit machine.
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Hi any news about ETA for support of handheld devices in the 64bit version?
We're working on it. Hopefully we'll start internal testing next week and public soon after.
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Have to say thank you for the move to 64 bits. My client-server MC DVR setup is working great, and ROHQ finally runs without crashing, confident enough to say it out loud :).
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With the 64 bit system comes an improved play from memory system which allows the whole album to be loaded. Some will argue that this can improve sound, although that is certainly a point for debate.
MC hands the data off to a driver. It is theoretically possible that a driver may perform better at 64 bit than at 32 bit. For example, it may have better jitter performance. Not very like, but possible in some cases.
In addition, if you are at the edge of your system performance with conversions or DSPS, the improved performance may possibly improve the sound.
As for MC providing the correct bits, that does not change.
My conclusion would be that it is highly unlikely that 64 bits makes a difference but these ancillary issues can possibly make a difference in rare cases. But I would certainly not count on it.
It may be true that the 64bit version should not technically make any difference from the 32bit version, but in my ears the 64bit version sounds better. It is true that the difference resides in nuances and dynamics that are sounding better than on the 32bit version. Is it a technically better sound or not? I don't even care as long as my listening experience is better.
I was very critical when after an update the sound quality went down, and the JRiver guys said that nothing changed, and it shouldn't be any difference.
To be fair now I wanted to say also that yes, this time sound quality is better. And the reason cannot be any driver that works better on 64bits, because I am and I always used DLNA, using the same renderer, with the same settings.
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Hi Jim - have upgraded to 64 bit successfully - licence transferred etc. all fine. However, scanner options aren't working now - neither 'get from scanner' or 'select scanner' do anything....works fine in 23 on 32 bit.....any ideas?
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Hi Jim - have upgraded to 64 bit successfully - licence transferred etc. all fine. However, scanner options aren't working now - neither 'get from scanner' or 'select scanner' do anything....works fine in 23 on 32 bit.....any ideas?
Scanning isn't working yet, but we're looking into solutions.
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Installed MediaCenter230073-x64.exe on Win7-64-Ultimate and it went straight forward. Did backup and uninstall first. Did not have to re-enter license. Did have to re-specify what drivers to use for my W4S DAC. Afterwards, it recognized resolutions from 16/44 to DSD-128 without any problems. Only using for lossless audio playback (flac, DSD, wav), no video.
OS and Library is installed on local SSDs. Set memory playback to decoded track. Largest single 2.3GB flac file and 1.3GB dsf file were able to load, decode and playback with no problems. Takes a couple of CPU % to load and decode and then playback proceeds at 0% total CPU load. DLP Latency Check hovers @ 75 µs.
Performance appears snappier than the 32-bit version. Load and start of playback is very fast. So far, so good.
MC, thanks much for making a great product and now a 64-bit version.
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Thanks for the report.
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Just to confirm before I add any extra frustration to my life.
When moving to the 64 bit version: I can just backup my library. Uninstall the 32 bit version. Install 64 bit version. Restore backed up library. Everything works as it was but now in a dazzling 64 bits.
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Just install the 64 bit version. It should find your library and settings.
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Hello
When playing music, when you go to audio path, should it be at 32 bit output or 64 bit ?
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Hello
When playing music, when you go to audio path, should it be at 32 bit output or 64 bit ?
Bit-depth of the output audio and the computer architecture of the OS/CPU/system are two completely different things.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio_bit_depth
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_architecture
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So having JRiver 64 bit does nothing for audio playback?
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So having JRiver 64 bit does nothing for audio playback?
Why would it? A change in the architecture (from 32-bit to 64-bit) doesn't affect audio playback. What you're seeing in audio path is the bit-depth of the output (e.g. 16-bit, 24-bit, 32-bit, etc.). While they may seem similar using the same wording, they're two completely different things.
Look at the links I posted above for more info.
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Why then 32 bit ?
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Why then 32 bit ?
For what? Audio path output bit-depth? Because that's the max bit-depth most DACs support. Depending on the output driver you're using and your settings, JRiver will automatically output audio at the highest bit-depth supported with your device(s).
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So I should set in ASIO 16bit for CD and 24bit for studio masters ?
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I suggest setting it to the highest bit-depth your ASIO driver and DAC supports via the ASIO Driver Control Panel. I have my AISO bit-depth set at 32-bit for everything. It doesn't matter if 16-bit/24-bit audio is being output at 32-bit (as shown via audio path), JRiver pads the 16-bit/24-bit bit-depth to 32-bit (or whatever the max bit-depth is supported by your ASIO driver/DAC) on-the-fly and even with the bit-depth padding it's still bit-perfect to the source and there's no resampling/dithering involved. However if you're downsampling from 24-bit to 16-bit, there is resampling/dithering involved and it's no longer bit-perfect with the source.
Here's what my AISO driver output it set to;
(https://i.imgur.com/VVoZ3mL.png)
And here's my audio path as a result;
(https://i.imgur.com/pkJ2LHD.png)
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COOL ;) I do zero in DSP
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Yeah, using DSP will affect bit-perfect playback compared to the source. In my case I have to use volume leveling + adaptive volume on-the-fly, since I can't stand albums mastered "loud" and digital clipping. I'm willing to make that sacrifice in that case.
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However if I understand how this all works correctly and you have a DAC with Digital Volume (such as the DragonFly Red or an Exasound) MC will just adjust the volume output based on those 2 DSPs working together and you still have a bit-perfect output...
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I want to switch temporarly back to 32 bit from 64 since I am trying the VSF plugin from Dirac Live. Is there a painless way (I want to keep my settings safely)
thanks
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Why not just use the DL plug-ins in the 64bit version?
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Why not just use the DL plug-ins in the 64bit version?
This is what I did but JRiver reply with an error. It make sense since 32 bit DLLs (as the DL VST plugins are) cannot work with 64 bit code (as JRiver is)
I am asking DL if they can deliver 64 bit program and plugin (I am kind of beta user)
BTW, I wonder if the configuration informations are stored in a single file un the JRiver inst dir or wherever (hope not windows registry :))
thanks
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OK, I ended up installing both 32 and 64 bit version. For some unknown (so far) reasons th new (32bit) installation maintains the the configuraion setup so I did not re-configure again
The 32-bit version support the Dirac VST plugin so at the moment I will stay with 32bit until Dirac will not reelase the 64bit version of the plugin
The configuration foresee to start JRiver at WIN10 staup so probably this will start both servers using the same port :(
I will disable this option until I understand how / where JRiver configuration is managed
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This is what I did but JRiver reply with an error. It make sense since 32 bit DLLs (as the DL VST plugins are) cannot work with 64 bit code (as JRiver is)
But they do work for me.
I am asking DL if they can deliver 64 bit program and plugin (I am kind of beta user)
There will be new officially-supported plug-ins with the new Dirac to be announced at CES.
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Hi.
I switched to the 64-bit version of the program and ran into this problem:
When JRiver running if I press the left mouse button on the track nothing happens, ie the track does not play, Ie have to transfer the track manualy to the window play now by mouse. But when jriver not running, when I press the left mouse button on the track in my hard disk on windows, JRiver starts and the track begins to play.
In 32-bit JRiver version there was no such problem.
Tell me please what is the problem and how to solve it?
Tnx.
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I just upgraded from 32-bit MC 22 to 64-bit MC 23. If I also install 32-bit MC 23 (because my USB-UIRT won't work with MC 23 64-bit as reported by others, too) do I have to uninstall the 64-bit version to avoid trouble, or can they co-exist like MC 22 and MC 23 on the same machine?
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... can they co-exist like MC 22 and MC 23 on the same machine?
A good question to ask, audunth.
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More-or-less, sure, they can co-exist on the same system. But I wouldn't want to try running both 32-bit and 64-bit MC at the same time though. Also if you use Media Server (and/or start Media Center at startup) you might want to just choose one of the two in that case.
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Thanks Awesome Donkey.
But I wouldn't want to try running both 32-bit and 64-bit MC at the same time though.
Both at once! No, nor would I.
My 32-bit version is on my C:drive, as usual.
What if I installed 64-bit on my D:drive. Would everything to do with installation be on the D:drive, or does MC do its own things and stick some stuff on the typical installation drive, C? eg. Users folder?
In other words I want to segregate the two coz I am not sure I want the 64-bit, and I have no test machine. (And no VR thank you) :)
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You can just install it. No need to do anything special.
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Would everything to do with installation be on the D:drive
No. MC registers components with Windows, and those components are specific to the 32 or 64 bit versions.
Just install both on the C: and NEVER run them both at the same time. That includes the Media Server. If you shut down the 32bit version to switch to the 64bit version, make sure that the 32bit Media Server (if you run it) is also closed down. Same going the other way. The 32bit version will be installed in the /Program File (x86)/ directory, while the 64bit version will be installed in the /Program Files/ directory. They will share stuff under the /Users/ directory, including the library, and that is fine.
Also, when you change from one version to the other, expect Windows UAC to ask if it is okay for MC to change your system. Tell it Yes every time. MC is registering the correct version of components when this happens.
Once again, just minutes behind you Jim. ;)
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Points for verbosity though.
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RoderickGI, thank you for your clear and concise reply. You empathised with my anxiety and fully understood my question.
When you said "The 32bit version will be installed in the /Program File (x86)/ directory, while the 64bit version will be installed in the /Program Files/ directory. They will share stuff under the /Users/ directory, including the library, and that is fine." that is exactly what I wanted to learn and understand. Its great that folk like you can communicate with us fumbling users.
:)
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Thanks MusicBringer. :D
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Being a noob on this whole 64 bit thing, what exactly is the advantage of going to 64 bit? I'm on a 64 bit machine but downloaded the 32 bit version of MC and have no issues at all. Will I notice any difference is playback with a 64 it?
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should be a bit faster since it will enjoy the 64bit instruction seto of the target processor
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If you watch 4K videos and stuff like that, it'll definitely benefit from 64-bit.
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Glad to get x64 JRiver going. Was hoping it would help kill the little stuttering with running Sound Spectrum Aeon as graphics visualization within a Player.
Audio is playing great. But every time I right-click on the Player background of the album art graphic to select a visualization... the first right-click instantly causes the player to stall. Audio stutters a couple times, then JRiver x64 crashes completely.
Is this a known bug?... or this part of the x64 version isn't expected to run yet?
Thanks.
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Other people have reported this problem, but I don't think it's a JRiver problem.
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Other people have reported this problem, but I don't think it's a JRiver problem.
Right clicking in the space next to the Album Art in the Player (while it's playing) causing a near instant JRiver x64 crash must be a problem with the x64 version of JRiver. Simply right clicking in that space should not cause JRiver to crash. JRiver x86 works without problem. Why wouldn't the x64 version?
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It's probably the plug-in.
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It's probably the plug-in.
There's no plugin ever selected. JRiver x64 crashes as soon as you right click in the Album Art space. No menu to select a plugin ever displays. Right click... crash.
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Visualization
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Just a quick update... definitely crash with visualizations caused by SoundSpectrum x64 JRiver support. Removed SoundSpectrum Aeon, G-Force and Whitecap... JRiver MC23 x64 default visualizations work okay. Install SoundSpectrum x64 JRiver support... crashes JRiver when attempt to instantiate in Player. So it appears that it's NOT JRiver MC23 x64 problem. I raised a support ticket with SoundSpectrum.
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A big thanks goes out JRiver for making the 64 bit version.
I finally got around to installing it on my workshop system to test a OB subwoofer build. The 32-bit version was unusable on the ancient demoted laptop that I was using but the 64-bit version has breathed new life into it. The speed optimizations are quite noticeable on this old machine.
Again, JRiver, THANK YOU !!!
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Just a quick update... definitely crash with visualizations caused by SoundSpectrum x64 JRiver support. Removed SoundSpectrum Aeon, G-Force and Whitecap... JRiver MC23 x64 default visualizations work okay. Install SoundSpectrum x64 JRiver support... crashes JRiver when attempt to instantiate in Player. So it appears that it's NOT JRiver MC23 x64 problem. I raised a support ticket with SoundSpectrum.
PSA: SoundSpectrum Whitecap 6.8 breaks JRiver on startup. Doesn't matter what version. Downgrade to WhiteCap 6.7.1 to restore functionality.
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I use JRiver only for music files in two channel (16/44.1 up to 24/192 + DSD64). I have tried DSD128 but get "tics/pops" coming and going. I use Aesthetix Romulus CD/DAC plus W10 on a laptop of 8 GB internal memory. Some questions:
1. Does 64 make any contributions for my use?
2. Could the "tic/pops" on DSD128 has something to do with 32 vs 64?
3. Other ideas on why I get "tics/pops" on DSD128? Any thoughts?
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For a 5 yr old i3 laptop with 4gb RAM running windows 8.1, would people still recommend 64 bit over 32? Would there be an advantage? or would it slow down due to more memory usage of the 64 bit version maxing out at 4gb with my system. This is assuming I load tracks decoded to memory and have asio settings at safe/16384 samples when using 64 bit.