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Networks and Remotes => Remotes => Topic started by: Lespaul on May 06, 2014, 01:44:56 pm
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Ok guys, the new version is out.
As mentioned in the release notes, I expect there to be a few bugs in this initial release.
I am eager to fix these as soon as possible, so please report back here or contact me directly.
Also, please report any performance issues. I initially had partial transparency for top and bottom bars on the iPad version,
but decided to drop that since only the latest iPad Air performed reasonably well.
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Thanks for this nice app. Newest version runs fine on an iPad Air & iPhone4s until now. After the update, my server was lost so I had to connect again, no big problem.
Maybe you can help me out with two things though:
1. Is it planned to make streaming MKV files possible?
2. Is it possible to add a "trackpad" functionality to the "Remote" part of the app?
Thank you.
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Ok guys, the new version is out.
Oooooh. Shiny.
Well, good. My JRemote had been working entirely too well lately, making my beta-testing-muscle twitch. I'll get on it asap.
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First impression - I could maybe skip the new font....maybe it will grow on me! The changes to the GUI, especially the playing now progress bar look excellent.
The couple of v2.x bugs I reported seem eradicated. Overall, a very positive impression.
FastKayak / Larry
PS Welcome to the JRiver team.
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Ok guys, the new version is out.
As mentioned in the release notes, I expect there to be a few bugs in this initial release.
I am eager to fix these as soon as possible, so please report back here or contact me directly.
Also, please report any performance issues. I initially had partial transparency for top and bottom bars on the iPad version,
but decided to drop that since only the latest iPad Air performed reasonably well.
First impressions, UI excellent, very fast on my IPad Air. I will come when I have some working experience.
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Feels snappy on my iPad Air. Nice job.
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Really like it haven't had much time to play around with it.
The one thing happened that made me panic, adding authentication, I thought it was broken I kept tapping on the Username & Password text & it wouldn't let me enter the required data. Luckily though I eventually tapped to the right and it worked. Perhaps make the text tappable would be good. Being a lefty it's just intuitive for me to tap furthermost left.
When streaming to device, if you play audio then immediately go and play video the video will play but the audio will also continue as well. Another note when you drill down in video you can't just press and play you have to long press, intentional?
I hope the video get some tlc like an option that when an item is clicked it drills down to another level showing the movie cover or tv image with a few key tags like description.
If using expressions for video like [Episode]//[Name] Delimit(Watched(2), , / ) it adds an extra drill down grouping that one particular file by itself. Is this avoidable? If not, more so the reason I'd like to see the description tag included with an optional drill down.
Will keep playing great work can't wait to see whats next
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When in the dark theme the search text field is dark type on dark background.
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Nice update LesPaul :)
Tested on iPhone 5s and iPad Air, I liked the new GUI except the progress bar is too flat for my taste, as other said I hope it will grow up on me.
The "Wake" button that appears when you cannot connect its a very nice feature, it works only in LAN, do you think you can implemented for Wan?? (I have port 9 open).
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The new version looks great! Lovely work and again the main reason for me to use JRiver... :) and I think it's awesome that you're joining the JRiver team!
I had an idea which would probably be a quite small change yesterday which I think would be nice... I'm most of the time using the "Play all now" or "Play all next" modes. What if you were automatically transfered to the the "Playing now" screen when using those modes, which is a much nicer view of what's going on... and when the album or playlist has finished, it could close again. Maybe an optional feature, but I think it would be sweet....
Cheers!
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Does the new version overwrite the old one or can i test it without losing my working version of JRemote?
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1. Is it planned to make streaming MKV files possible?
2. Is it possible to add a "trackpad" functionality to the "Remote" part of the app?
Thank you.
Streaming transcoded video is something I will start work on for the next version. It is also something I have tried before
without success. I know the JRiver guys have done a lot of work in this area, so I may just get it to work now.
Regarding a trackpad functionality, I am afraid you need to explain that a bit. A new theater remote is also something I plan to implement very soon.
First impression - I could maybe skip the new font....maybe it will grow on me! The changes to the GUI, especially the playing now progress bar look excellent.
The font is pretty much the default font for iOS. Do you mean in general or a specific part of the app?
The one thing happened that made me panic, adding authentication, I thought it was broken I kept tapping on the Username & Password text & it wouldn't let me enter the required data. Luckily though I eventually tapped to the right and it worked. Perhaps make the text tappable would be good. Being a lefty it's just intuitive for me to tap furthermost left.
When streaming to device, if you play audio then immediately go and play video the video will play but the audio will also continue as well. Another note when you drill down in video you can't just press and play you have to long press, intentional?
I hope the video get some tlc like an option that when an item is clicked it drills down to another level showing the movie cover or tv image with a few key tags like description.
If using expressions for video like [Episode]//[Name] Delimit(Watched(2), , / ) it adds an extra drill down grouping that one particular file by itself. Is this avoidable? If not, more so the reason I'd like to see the description tag included with an optional drill down.
Will keep playing great work can't wait to see whats next
Great feedback. Need to make the whole username/password areas clickable. Long press is not intentional on videos, I will look at that. Will make sure to stop sound playback when starting video.
I will admit that video has not been a first priority so far, much more can be done to make that experience better.
When in the dark theme the search text field is dark type on dark background.
Always? If you restart the app, is it also dark?
The "Wake" button that appears when you cannot connect its a very nice feature, it works only in LAN, do you think you can implemented for Wan?? (I have port 9 open).
It should also work for WAN connections, the wake call is sent to all saved addresses.
But actually there is a "bug" here. Even if you add a connection using IP address, that IP address may be overwritten later. So make sure the IP address is still the same as you initially entered.
Does the new version overwrite the old one or can i test it without losing my working version of JRemote?
yes, it will replace the old version
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Thanks for replying. What I mean by trackpad is that you can use your finger on your device to move the mouse cursor around (Rowmote offers something like that).
Until now, when I want to change some settings for example, I have to exit JRemote and open up a VNC Viewer in order to move the mouse through the settings.
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Nice improvement for Playing Now when not in Landscape mode.
Nice improvement in Connection information (when you cannot connect)- bet it cuts down on questions :)
Nice improvement with the controls on the bottom of the screen.
Possible Bug: Have one song playing (one song in playlist) and change selection to "1+" to add song to playlist. When I select a song to add, it starts to play instead of being added.
Features: When will auto Zone Switching be added - manual now. (did not look in configuration yet)
Features: I have not tried it with new version, did streaming music to device get addressed? If I remember right playback stopping with an error after the first song.
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Long press is not intentional on videos, I will look at that.
More details, it's only happening if I use an expression in the view such as the [Episode]//[Name] Delimit(Watched(2), , / ), no expressions & it works ok
Ah whoops, the expression is grouping the files as it's category based, I don't think there is a way around this?
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Nice update. Iʼm not sure that I like the misaligned volume and seek bar, but I also donʼt have a better suggestion for that right now.
One thing Iʼve noticed—and itʼs not new to this version—is that seeking through videos only uses high-speed seeking. I canʼt move my finger up or down to have finer control.
While the update has been done in the spirit of iOS 7, I would like to see it expanded to use a more native colorscheme, and follow the HIG (https://developer.apple.com/library/ios/documentation/userexperience/conceptual/MobileHIG/index.html) a bit closer.
Using system colors on window controls, and only adding borders where the system apps do feels a lot more “native.”
- Current Colors (http://abload.de/img/1-current2ode0.png)
- System Colors (http://abload.de/img/1-systemcolors8bd63.png)
Please be consistent with using the accent color on controls.
Drawing your own system widgets (e.g. clock) to preserve alignment looks a lot better, in my opinion. (edit: or remove it to free up some space)
Iʼm not a fan of the wireframe playback controls at all.
Hereʼs an updated main view incorporating these changes, and a native colorscheme:
- Current Colors (http://abload.de/img/2-current16i12.png)
- System Colors (http://abload.de/img/2-systemcolors62em5.png)
Some things may look a little wiry, but thatʼs only because I didnʼt want to spend too much time with Photoshop to properly anti-alias my selections, and downscaled to hide a lot of that. Here it is at full resolution. (http://abload.de/img/2-systemcolors_hireszuov1.png)
The A-Z down the right-hand size now seems to only display every third letter, rather than the full list.
It seems like the top & bottom panes should be transparent?
The currently playing zone is pushed to the top of the list, rather than being highlighted in the list as it previously was.
Controls like this should have a fixed position rather than moving.
Edit: Another suggestion; perhaps you could combine the buffer and playback bars? Have it so that the vertical bar indicates progress, and the background color indicates buffer size, rather than using two bars.
The one thing happened that made me panic, adding authentication, I thought it was broken I kept tapping on the Username & Password text & it wouldn't let me enter the required data. Luckily though I eventually tapped to the right and it worked. Perhaps make the text tappable would be good. Being a lefty it's just intuitive for me to tap furthermost left.
Happened to me as well. The whole thing should be a button if that's possible, and a lot of apps let you switch between fields via the keyboard too.
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I'm experiencing a bug, to reproduce, goto playing now, make sure thumbnails are set to automatic, load a playlist composed of different artists. Then go back to main audio view, first you have to swipe in the playing now window or the bug won't happen. Now play an album of the same artist. The thumbnails should have disappeared from the swipe in playing now list but instead they show images of the tracks of the initial loaded playlist, only a force close seems to get rid of them.
An idea, see the old swipe up playlist, now that it only shows the track there, could we possibly still have a swipe up window as a quick way to add the current track to a playlist. But also in the swipe up window it could store the two most recent used playlists (Internally within JRemote) to save on constant folder navigation.
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It should also work for WAN connections, the wake call is sent to all saved addresses.
But actually there is a "bug" here. Even if you add a connection using IP address, that IP address may be overwritten later. So make sure the IP address is still the same as you initially entered.
Thank you for the suggestion, I re-added my server using access key and wol is working over wan, I don't know why it wasn't working earlier.
One feature I would like would be an "offline" mode (similar to spotify or rdio), when connected to a server, a button to be able to "download" a song for offline use, and an "offline available" button on playlist to be able to do automatically offline sync. This would be great when no internet is available or you want to save bandwith.
A better and smarter bitrate section. Currently it transcoded all files to mp3, even lossy AAC's. I'd like an option to be able to only transcode lossless files. Also a larger selection of bitrate quality, lame variable profiles would be awesome.
For the video section improvement, Look at the app called "Air Video HD". It measures your bandwith with the server and choose an appropriate transcode profile. When I'm in my LAN it actually just transcode the DTS audio of my mkv's leaving the video intact. This process it's instantaneous. You can also download an offline copy of your videos to view later when not home. It's pretty great app, and I love to have those features in JRemote!
I hope not sounding too demanding, just sharing what I think would make the program more complete and feature-rich.
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How does one resize album thumbnails in thumbnail view?
The standard size is nice for viewing a reasonable size of album artwork, but is too narrow for me to see the full album name for most of my classical albums.
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Love the new interface. Visually appealing.
One interesting effect is when scrolling a list with double transparency layers. So if you are in playing now and click to see the list, then scroll up or down, the top and bottom bars 'flicker' as the list goes underneath them (which is also transparent showing the album art beneath that). I found that a bit distracting.
It is difficult to get back to the 'home' screen and Settings particularly if you are buried deep in nested views. Can we make this fewer clicks / gestures somehow?
After clicking the search field you cannot back out. You have to type something, click Done, and then click something in the list to get the keyboard to go away. It would be nice to just have a 'keyboard' icon that you can tap to make it go away and return the focus of the cursor to the list instead of the search field. Same way as the normal iOS keyboard works.
List style customizations are not saved after JRemote restarts. When you click the grid in the upper right hand corner to change from details, to thumbnails, etc... it works, but then if you close the app and then return, its right back to the default list style.
View changes made on the JRiver MC server under options are not immediately applied until either MC is restarted, or your click the Your Servers icon multiple times (at least 5-10) times and eventually the updates are applied. Same thing for smartlists that are dynamic. They do not update unless I do one of the previously mentioned methods. I've reported this before and told this should not be happening. So that must mean something is wacky on my system. Does the updating rely on a Windows service or setting that somehow is messed up? Its very frustrating because I have dozens of dynamic smartlists that I would love to use with JRemote. In either case, it would be awesome to have a 'rubber band' feature where you can take any smartlist or view scheme, drag it down then release, and it automatically forces the server to send the latest stuff. Exactly like Ctrl F5 would do on Windows.
Of course I hope to one day see realtime transcoding of movies in different formats to be playable on the remote device!!!!
That's all I got for now! Great job and can't wait to see what comes next. I will be doing Ctrl F5 on this thread for the next few weeks I have a feeling. :-)
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Well, I am very pleased to see you making some updates. Issuing the new version really relieved my fear that you were going to just disappear and orphan the app. That update just made my day!
THANK YOU for adding streaming AIFF files - every time I forgot with the old version and tried to stream an AIFF file without transcoding, the app would crash. You should update the notes on the settings screen to indicate AIFF is streamable now.
Also, some notes about what is in the update would be nice... (grin)
All in all, you made a great produce even better!
-Paul
Ok guys, the new version is out.
As mentioned in the release notes, I expect there to be a few bugs in this initial release.
I am eager to fix these as soon as possible, so please report back here or contact me directly.
Also, please report any performance issues. I initially had partial transparency for top and bottom bars on the iPad version,
but decided to drop that since only the latest iPad Air performed reasonably well.
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I know this is a stupid question to most but....for global access..... What address should be entered here?
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I know this is a stupid question to most but....for global access..... What address should be entered here?
Your external Ip address, in case you want to access from outside your lan (don't forget to open port 52199 on your router). This field auto-fills if you set up your server with an access key
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Just installed the new version!! Testing on IPad 4.
Great UI!! But I noticed the changing covers animation is not so smooth anymore.
Here are some simple changes that I think would make it better:
1- Change the splash screen to a dark one when using the dark theme.
2- Add an option to the settings to enable/disable the background color changing according to the cover art.
3- Add an option to the settings to add custom buttons to be used to launch other apps(just a configurable URL) to integrate with automation.
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Comments on the slide out currently playing:
1) It snaps out a little too fast, a little slower and smoother would be better.
2) Is album art suppose to show? It isn't for me.
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I can confirm that the search box text keeps switching back to dark in the dark theme. Also the now playing screen is very high contrast in dark theme. iPad Air
Some of my library now shows nothing in the file section where the songs should be. Gizmo and MC see them fine. Still trying to sort this one out.
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Well, I am very pleased to see you making some updates. Issuing the new version really relieved my fear that you were going to just disappear and orphan the app. That update just made my day!
Definitely not:
http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=89065.0
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I finally succumbed and bought an ipad air. Does this new version of JRemote output High Rez Audio or does it still limit the output?
- Remember this was a bug in the last versions that lespaul was looking at?
(I havent bought the new lightning connector camera kit to connect to my external dac yet...it would be wasted money if the s/w doesnt output it fully?)
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I finally succumbed and bought an ipad air. Does this new version of JRemote output High Rez Audio or does it still limit the output?
I can't even get it to stream cd-quality ALAC most of the time, everything has to be converted to 320kbps MP3.
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I have found the common denominator for the files that are not showing up to be mp3 format. The album covers show but there are no files showing once you try to play an album. Flac, wma and wav all show files and play fine. iPad Air iOS 7.1.1
It appears that CBR 256 mp3 isn't showing up, at least that's what I have found so far.
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Been using this app since the beginning and love it. But, I have to say the IOS7 version is not yet my favourite iteration. The bottom bar is extremely cluttered and I miss the playing now slide out in album and artist view. I don't use volume control because I rely on the preamp for this so I wish there was an option to not have this. Hopefully, as this evolves it cleans up.
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Been using this app since the beginning and love it. But, I have to say the IOS7 version is not yet my favourite iteration. The bottom bar is extremely cluttered and I miss the playing now slide out in album and artist view. I don't use volume control because I rely on the preamp for this so I wish there was an option to not have this. Hopefully, as this evolves it cleans up.
The playlist view has been moved to the right hand side. You access it by swiping in from the right edge. I have more plans for this view though, consider it an early version.
Regarding the bottom bar, it`s very hard to get perfect. I have spent quite a bit of time figuring out the best placement of controls,
but I`m sure there will be more changes here as time goes by.
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Nice update. Iʼm not sure that I like the misaligned volume and seek bar, but I also donʼt have a better suggestion for that right now.
One thing Iʼve noticed—and itʼs not new to this version—is that seeking through videos only uses high-speed seeking. I canʼt move my finger up or down to have finer control.
Variable seeking is something I plan to implement.
While the update has been done in the spirit of iOS 7, I would like to see it expanded to use a more native colorscheme, and follow the HIG (https://developer.apple.com/library/ios/documentation/userexperience/conceptual/MobileHIG/index.html) a bit closer.
I have to admit that I am not a big fan of the native iOS7 apps. I do think I have mostly followed the HIG though, there are no guidelines on what colors you should or should not use.
I appreciate you taking the time to show me how you would prefer it, but I`m not sure i personally agree.
The A-Z down the right-hand size now seems to only display every third letter, rather than the full list.
It seems like the top & bottom panes should be transparent?
The A-Z list will look like that if iOS think that it does not have room to display all letters. I have found the list to behave a bit weird though, will look at it when time permits.
Top and bottom was semi-transparant up till the very end. I decided to remove it for performance reasons. The iPhone version still have transparant bars though.
The currently playing zone is pushed to the top of the list, rather than being highlighted in the list as it previously was.
Controls like this should have a fixed position rather than moving.
This is not new, it was the same in the last version. It was moved to better visualize the zones that are linked together. I agree it`s not optimal.
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1- Change the splash screen to a dark one when using the dark theme.
2- Add an option to the settings to enable/disable the background color changing according to the cover art.
3- Add an option to the settings to add custom buttons to be used to launch other apps(just a configurable URL) to integrate with automation.
Yes, an option to turn off the background color animation is ready for the next version. I may also tone down the actual color change.
Nr 3 will be added to an upcoming version.
Not sure what you mean with 1. All screens should already be dark if using the dark theme.
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It is difficult to get back to the 'home' screen and Settings particularly if you are buried deep in nested views. Can we make this fewer clicks / gestures somehow?
Are you talking about the iPhone or iPad version? Settings are always available from the slide-out menu on the iPhone. On the iPad you have to first go back in the left menu and then tap the settings icon. So 2 actions either way.
If you are deep in a hierarchy you can just tap again on your current location in the left menu, and it will navigate to the first view.
After clicking the search field you cannot back out. You have to type something, click Done, and then click something in the list to get the keyboard to go away. It would be nice to just have a 'keyboard' icon that you can tap to make it go away and return the focus of the cursor to the list instead of the search field. Same way as the normal iOS keyboard works.
You should be able to dismiss the search view by just starting scrolling. I know there are some issues here, for example if the list is emty you can`t scroll.
I`ll look into adding a button for dismissal.
List style customizations are not saved after JRemote restarts. When you click the grid in the upper right hand corner to change from details, to thumbnails, etc... it works, but then if you close the app and then return, its right back to the default list style.
This is because the ID`s of the views may differ between every connection, so there is no point in saving their preferred view mode.
View changes made on the JRiver MC server under options are not immediately applied until either MC is restarted, or your click the Your Servers icon multiple times (at least 5-10) times and eventually the updates are applied. Same thing for smartlists that are dynamic. They do not update unless I do one of the previously mentioned methods. I've reported this before and told this should not be happening. So that must mean something is wacky on my system. Does the updating rely on a Windows service or setting that somehow is messed up? Its very frustrating because I have dozens of dynamic smartlists that I would love to use with JRemote. In either case, it would be awesome to have a 'rubber band' feature where you can take any smartlist or view scheme, drag it down then release, and it automatically forces the server to send the latest stuff. Exactly like Ctrl F5 would do on Windows.
I believe this is because MC takes a bit of time before view changes are available for third party clients.
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Images will only play on 'This Device' regardless of what zone you select. This bug was fixed a while ago but has re-emerged.
Ross
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I can confirm that this is an issue with JRemote. It should only display images locally when current zone is "This device".
A fix will be included in an upcoming version.
Needs fixing in this version.
Ross
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Variable seeking is something I plan to implement.
Excellent. It's fine for short videos, but quite frustrating to seek through longer videos right now. (as it doesn't seem to resume my position from where I left off, on the PC)
I have to admit that I am not a big fan of the native iOS7 apps. I do think I have mostly followed the HIG though, there are no guidelines on what colors you should or should not use.
Well essentially, you're supposed to choose one bright key color for anything that is interactive because that stands out on a plain background and makes it clear which items are buttons/controls.
In the left sidebar and on the pause button you're using blue (though not the system blue) but everywhere else you're using gray on gray, which blends in rather than stands out. These elements don't signal that they are buttons.
It's strange, because I have been using JRemote for a while and not much of the layout has changed, but every time I launch the new version to make a quick change I find myself pausing and looking over the screen for a moment before going "Oh, it's right there!" every time.
I appreciate you taking the time to show me how you would prefer it, but I`m not sure i personally agree.
To me, I think it shows that you are not a fan of how iOS 7 apps look, because it seems that you have followed some of the cues (flattened many parts of the UI, and changed to wireframe icons) but not all of them, which - to me - makes it feel less "native" to iOS than the previous version of JRemote which seemed to fit in well with the iOS 6 style.
Compared to other iOS7 apps, the "light" theme feels comparatively dull - more like a flattened iOS 6 app, than a bright, fresh-looking iOS 7 app.
I don't mean this to be a criticism of what you've done with JRemote 3, just, I don't think that it feels like an iOS 7 app to me - and it's mainly just color choices I'm complaining about, not anything else about the design of the app.
Would it be possible to offer Light/Dark/"Native" themes, or side-loading custom themes via iTunes? (perhaps as a zip file)
I don't know how the app is structured, but it seems like a theme could be reduced to an XML file and a handful of icons.
One thing I will complain about though, is the wireframe playback controls. Even if you don't want to change their color, or anything else, I think primary controls like that should be solid in appearance. Even Apple does this.
The A-Z list will look like that if iOS think that it does not have room to display all letters. I have found the list to behave a bit weird though, will look at it when time permits.
Perhaps it's a bug. Here's an image I got from a quick Google search, showing how it was in the previous version. (http://cms.the-ear.net/sites/default/files/JRemote-screen.jpg)
And this is how it looks in the new one. (http://abload.de/img/a-ztykzn.jpg) (removed the covers to shrink the image size)
It's not filling the full height any more, which is limiting what it can display.
Top and bottom was semi-transparant up till the very end. I decided to remove it for performance reasons. The iPhone version still have transparant bars though.
Is it possible to enable this based on the device? I'm using an iPad Air which should not have any trouble with this.
This is not new, it was the same in the last version. It was moved to better visualize the zones that are linked together. I agree it`s not optimal.
Ah, I see. I don't know how I missed it before.
All my zones have their ID at the front (e.g. 0. Audio, 1. Video, 2. Doctor etc.) so it's quite confusing when the list reorganizes itself.
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Well, if you look at many of the other third party apps you will see that quite a lot of them shy away from using bright colored buttons.
Also, the "System blue" color that you speak of are not meant to be used in all apps. You can see yourself that the native apps all use a different color to distinguish itself.
To tell you the truth, when starting the iOS7 redesign all the buttons etc in JRemote used the blue color that are now used only for some play controls etc. I found that this was too busy, and the fact that your eyes are always drawn to those buttons even if you do not intend to use them.
You can argue that the buttons are now less visible than they were before, and I may agree. I still think that it`s better than using bright colors everywhere. Maybe I will find a way to make them more visible.
Also, while apple prefers bright background colors bordering on completely white, I personally find it really hard on the eyes after a while.
It may be because I am getting older, but the "dull" colors are definitely intentional.
I think I may actually give an option to use bright button and icon colors though. I agree that some people will absolutely prefer it.
Regarding wireframe buttons, I think they look pretty good on a dark background. On the light theme, maybe not so much. I may change that at least for that theme.
Semi-transparent bars will be added as a setting soon so you can try it yourself.
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If this is not proper to publish a topic on JRemote here please feel free to move or delete.
JRemote is a great remote app to use with JRiver. In my opinion the best out there. This past Tuesday a major upgrade version was put out. I'm not totally thrilled with it but that just might be me.
1. The whole theme has been redesigned to more approximate the look of Apple iOS 7 but why I can't imagine. Though I have come to get use to the flat dimensionless look of the iOS I have never come to like it and now JRemote has followed suit.
2. My largest complaint is with the color scheme on the "Playing Now" page. Previously the background color was fixed to a fairly neutral gray color. This is excellent for viewing artwork and provide the most accurate display of color. Now this page takes a cue from iTunes and iOS 7 where the primarily colors of the artwork create a kaleidoscope of color background for the page. I simply feel it detracts from the quality of presentation overall.
3. On the left side of the "Playing Now" page is your list of songs with a thumbnails of artwork. The color scheme is carried through to a lesser extent. However there is a "sound wave" icon next to the currently playing song. That icon will move down to the next playing song and continue to do so but when it reaches the end of the visible page it moves out of sight. Previously the list of songs would scroll upward to continue to reveal the current playing song. Now you have to manually scroll to re-reveal the current and upcoming songs.
4. Finally, at the bottom left and right of this page there are -30s, -60s and +30s, +60s which for the life of me I cannot see real value in and in my opinion just adds clutter to the appearance of the page.
I do prefer the crisper cleaner look of the legacy version and these aren't mission critical issues to me. This is still the best remote app out there to me. I suppose like the dull iOS 7 itself and the lifeless iTunes itself I would get use to it. Please JRiver as you continue to improve JRiver for Mac keep the vibrant look and don't take it to these lifeless designs.
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I am planning to release a new version this weekend with bug fixes.
Also, a couple of new features:
- You can now change audio device output for each zone. This will be available from the current zones dialog. (MC19 only)
- I added an option for tracking the current zone in JRiver. It will check the current zone on the server after a new track has started and switch if different.
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Well, if you look at many of the other third party apps you will see that quite a lot of them shy away from using bright colored buttons.
I suppose it depends on what apps you're using. JRemote is the only "updated for iOS7" app I have which does not follow this.
Also, the "System blue" color that you speak of are not meant to be used in all apps. You can see yourself that the native apps all use a different color to distinguish itself.
Certainly; the point is to use a single key color (https://developer.apple.com/library/ios/documentation/userexperience/conceptual/MobileHIG/ColorImagesText.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40006556-CH58-SW1) for all buttons/controls in your app. It does not have to be one of the colors that Apple has chosen—but theirs tend to have enough contrast to stand out well on a light background.
Gray on gray means that the buttons blend in and look like labels rather than buttons, or inactive buttons at best.
To tell you the truth, when starting the iOS7 redesign all the buttons etc in JRemote used the blue color that are now used only for some play controls etc. I found that this was too busy, and the fact that your eyes are always drawn to those buttons even if you do not intend to use them.
Well that's the point—the user immediately knows which elements are controls, and which elements are content.
iOS 7's flat UI does not work if you aren't breaking up the UI into separate layers, or using color to signal which elements are controls and which are simply text/labels.
In iOS 6 and previous, skeuomorphism (textures, fake buttons etc.) was used to show the user what was a control, and what was content, rather than layering, color, and contrast.
I actually went through a number of iterations on the design when creating my mockup, including gray playback controls (http://abload.de/img/gray-controls6pjwp.png) rather than making them all blue, but it did not seem to fit with the UI style of iOS—it left you with elements which were obviously buttons, and elements which appeared to be disabled controls.
I know that the default music app actually uses black playback controls, but that's what seemed to work best with the current layout of JRemote.
If the bottom bar were to be transparent, this may change, and using dark gray or black controls rather than color might be best.
The transparency in the default music app is very low, so if you did the same thing light controls would still be quite visible.
Also, while apple prefers bright background colors bordering on completely white, I personally find it really hard on the eyes after a while.
It may be because I am getting older, but the "dull" colors are definitely intentional.
Is that not what the backlight control or dark themes are for?
There is also a system-level setting to "reduce white point" that I use, which makes things more comfortable to read. (I should actually measure what it's doing - I think it reduces the color temperature of the display)
I think I may actually give an option to use bright button and icon colors though. I agree that some people will absolutely prefer it.
Regarding wireframe buttons, I think they look pretty good on a dark background. On the light theme, maybe not so much. I may change that at least for that theme.
Options are always good. :)
Again; I don't know if it would be feasible, but it would be nice if custom themes could be supported. (with strict limitations on things like icon size, so that skinning is kept "simple")
I would be happy to maintain a "Native" theme for the app—and looking back at my mockups today, there are already some changes I'd make (http://abload.de/img/updated-2uqcvt.png).
Semi-transparent bars will be added as a setting soon so you can try it yourself.
Great!
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1. The whole theme has been redesigned to more approximate the look of Apple iOS 7 but why I can't imagine. Though I have come to get use to the flat dimensionless look of the iOS I have never come to like it and now JRemote has followed suit.
Well it's clearly the way forward for app design. Initially I was not a fan of iOS 7, but I must admit it has grown on me.
The Settings → General → Accessibility → Increase Contrast → Reduce White Point setting made a big improvement in my opinion.
To me, the changes in JRemote have not been big enough though. It feels like a flattened iOS 6 app, rather than incorporating the changes necessary to make it feel like something redesigned for iOS7.
I've posted a couple of mockups in the JRemote thread (http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=89108.0), but here's the current theme (http://abload.de/img/2-current16i12.png) compared to one which is flatter, and more closely follows the native colorscheme of iOS7 (http://abload.de/img/updated-2uqcvt.png). (and one with less blue) (http://abload.de/img/gray-controls6pjwp.png)
2. My largest complaint is with the color scheme on the "Playing Now" page. Previously the background color was fixed to a fairly neutral gray color. This is excellent for viewing artwork and provide the most accurate display of color. Now this page takes a cue from iTunes and iOS 7 where the primarily colors of the artwork create a kaleidoscope of color background for the page. I simply feel it detracts from the quality of presentation overall.
I've never really used the "Playing Now" view, and I must say that I think this looks quite nice.
I would not object to a neutral background as an option though—similar to what you get playing an album with a white cover.
However, there are a couple of things which using the "Playing Now" view has made me realize:
1. The "repeat" button should be moved to the left of the other playback controls.
This keeps the playback controls in a fixed position when you move between the standard view and "Playing Now" view.
2. The +30 and +60 buttons are too small (smaller than the iOS guidelines permit) and it's easy to hit them by mistake.
I don't really see the point in these buttons to begin with. If you remove the buttons and resize the progress bar, you can have nice vertically centered buttons.
- Current (http://abload.de/img/playing-now-currentiukng.jpg)
- Mockup (http://abload.de/img/playing-nowqux3n.jpg)
Edit: Looking at the mockup again, I would possibly reduce the width of the vol/seek controls further, to align with the track list and create more whitespace.
This would also allow you to have more padding around the playback controls, though it would move them further out of alignment from the standard view.
3. On the left side of the "Playing Now" page is your list of songs with a thumbnails of artwork. The color scheme is carried through to a lesser extent. However there is a "sound wave" icon next to the currently playing song. That icon will move down to the next playing song and continue to do so but when it reaches the end of the visible page it moves out of sight. Previously the list of songs would scroll upward to continue to reveal the current playing song. Now you have to manually scroll to re-reveal the current and upcoming songs.
It seems like the list should move, rather than the position of the currently playing item, until there are no more items.
Keeping the currently playing track fixed to the second position on the list (so you can see what the previous track was) might be quite nice.
4. Finally, at the bottom left and right of this page there are -30s, -60s and +30s, +60s which for the life of me I cannot see real value in and in my opinion just adds clutter to the appearance of the page.
I agree - I don't see what they would be useful for, and I think they hurt usability
- Mockup (http://abload.de/img/updated-2uqcvt.png)
- Mockup with controls removed (http://abload.de/img/minimal-controlsmql3z.png)
I do prefer the crisper cleaner look of the legacy version and these aren't mission critical issues to me. This is still the best remote app out there to me. I suppose like the dull iOS 7 itself and the lifeless iTunes itself I would get use to it. Please JRiver as you continue to improve JRiver for Mac keep the vibrant look and don't take it to these lifeless designs.
I think the general design is solid, and it just need some tweaking.
Most of the suggestions I've made are really just to the colorscheme.
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For video playback (which I don't use now, but if he ever gets streaming working, I will), I absolutely, positively require some way to seek +30 sec / -10 sec (or some approximation of that).
For skipping commercials. Fine with me if you can re-assign normal Seeking buttons for this purpose (as I won't use "traditional seeking" at all anyway).
That is all. I generally like the UI changes in JRemote. Probably room for tweaking, but I'm overall a fan.
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For video playback (which I don't use now, but if he ever gets streaming working, I will), I absolutely, positively require some way to seek +30 sec / -10 sec (or some approximation of that).
Video playback is using the native iOS controls, so these only apply to audio.
For skipping commercials. Fine with me if you can re-assign normal Seeking buttons for this purpose (as I won't use "traditional seeking" at all anyway).
Holding them down might work I guess? Once proper seeking is implemented (it only does high-speed seeking right now) I'd never use fast-forward or seeking buttons anyway.
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This is the color shift I'm seeing.
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Holding them down might work I guess? Once proper seeking is implemented (it only does high-speed seeking right now) I'd never use fast-forward or seeking buttons anyway.
See, I greatly prefer 30-second ahead/10-back... (or something close to that) basically ALWAYS. It is so fast to skip past commercials (and is generally far more accurate, far more easily). The only times I use seek like you is to jump huge portions of a show (because resume failed for one reason or another -- generally when switching platforms because MC is pretty good about this).
But, I suppose, I've never seen any application that has appropriate seek performance with the kind of media I watch at home (by my crazy because-I-edit-video standards). H264 is just way too slow, and temporal. Give me a jog wheel on a NLE and DNxHD or ProRes file though, and I can stop on a dime...
The slide up/down thing is a crude stand-in, and while better than nothing, gets in my way as much as it helps.
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This is the color shift I'm seeing.
Yeah, I know what you mean... It is fairly obvious.
I like it. I think it could be toned down a bit (make the colors much closer to neutral, and more subdued), but I think it looks nice overall. But opinions can vary, of course. I don't necessarily agree that "all options are good".
Good design is about making choices. You don't always make the right ones, of course, every time (or what any person defines as the right one), but dumping the choices on the user often means no vision for the design. Because you have to accommodate so many possible variations and configurations and... I don't know, you end up with... Junk.
We all have our hobby horses, though, for sure.
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Yeah, I know what you mean... It is fairly obvious.
I like it. I think it could be toned down a bit (make the colors much closer to neutral, and more subdued), but I think it looks nice overall. But opinions can vary, of course. I don't necessarily agree that "all options are good".
Good design is about making choices. You don't always make the right ones, of course, every time (or what any person defines as the right one), but dumping the choices on the user often means no vision for the design. Because you have to accommodate so many possible variations and configurations and... I don't know, you end up with... Junk.
We all have our hobby horses, though, for sure.
Like I said it's not critical mass for me just a preference. Based on my work and awareness of correct color I'm probably more susceptible to it bothering me than most. I can understand others liking or or thinking what's the big deal. It isn't.
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Yes, an option to turn off the background color animation is ready for the next version. I may also tone down the actual color change.
Nr 3 will be added to an upcoming version.
Not sure what you mean with 1. All screens should already be dark if using the dark theme.
Thanks for replying!!! It is great when developers listen!! This app is amazing and it is getting better and better!!
What I mean with 1 is that when I launch JRemote, there is a fast splash screen and it is with white background even if I choose the dark theme. After the splash screen, the dark theme is ok.
Regarding the buttons discussion: I think the new visual is great and it looks more polished!! I would not change them.
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In the root view, showing audio, images video, The search buttons' & zone background is transparent, so if you pull down on the list you can see audio, images, video & remote pass though them. If you delve into for example audio, they regain a solid background.
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See, I greatly prefer 30-second ahead/10-back... (or something close to that) basically ALWAYS. It is so fast to skip past commercials (and is generally far more accurate, far more easily). The only times I use seek like you is to jump huge portions of a show (because resume failed for one reason or another -- generally when switching platforms because MC is pretty good about this).
But, I suppose, I've never seen any application that has appropriate seek performance with the kind of media I watch at home (by my crazy because-I-edit-video standards). H264 is just way too slow, and temporal. Give me a jog wheel on a NLE and DNxHD or ProRes file though, and I can stop on a dime...
The slide up/down thing is a crude stand-in, and while better than nothing, gets in my way as much as it helps.
Well yes, there probably isn't anything as fast as an NLE because we're dealing with high compression, most people are playing back video from slow hard drives, and video players are typically optimized for smooth playback rather than low latency.
If you disable hardware accelerated decoding on a fast system, and use Red October Standard or a tweaked RoHQ you can get things to be fairly responsive.
The seeking controls that Media Center offer are not, however. It is far quicker to seek through a video using the mousewheel than the progress bar, but MC still doesn't feel as responsive as some other players when doing this.
Playing videos natively on an iOS device should have pretty good scrubbing performance though. Good enough that I would rather use it than buttons which skip a predetermined amount of time.
With a physical remote control, seek buttons would be my preferred option, but not on a touchscreen device.
Years ago when I had a DVR, the model I used let you program any amount of skipping to four buttons, and you could usually get to the start of a program with only three or four button presses.
But then there was updated software released which was able to determine when there was an ad-break and it would skip them automatically, so there was no longer a need for it.
And these days, I don't watch media with advertisements any more so it's not really something I encounter very often. If I'm seeking through a video, it's because I'm looking for a specific scene, or because JRemote doesn't sync bookmark progress with the server and I'm moving between devices.
I still don't see the point of the ±30/60s buttons in JRemote though.
If I'm watching a video on the HTPC rather than the iPad and using JRemote for control—which is basically never—then JRemote is in the "Remote" view, and you can simply swipe left/right on the pad to seek.
There also seems to be space in the remote view for additional buttons in the lower-right, but I don't know if that is specific to how I have my Theater View set up.
If I'm listening to audio, the buttons serve no purpose, and get in the way of the other playback controls.
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Like the update. Glad to hear that you've joined JRiver. A couple of suggestions:
(1) Sample rate: display in kHz -- 96k or 96 kHz easier to read than 96000, and 2.8 MHz much better than 2822400!
(2) Easier access to search box: when displaying albums or artists the search box is visible only at the top of the scroll list and the search icon on the right side of the screen is tiny, even on an iPad Air. Why not have a dedicated search icon on the fixed top bar of screen or, at a minimum, make the search icon much bigger than the alphabet letters on the right of the screen. Would help on both iPad and iPhone.
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Are you talking about the iPhone or iPad version? Settings are always available from the slide-out menu on the iPhone. On the iPad you have to first go back in the left menu and then tap the settings icon. So 2 actions either way.
If you are deep in a hierarchy you can just tap again on your current location in the left menu, and it will navigate to the first view.
I was referring to the iPhone. I figured it out you have to slide at the top or the bottom, not in the middle list area. Now that I know that, its easy. What might be beneficial is an in app instruction walk through particularly for features that are not obvious.
You should be able to dismiss the search view by just starting scrolling. I know there are some issues here, for example if the list is emty you can`t scroll.
I`ll look into adding a button for dismissal.
Ok, now I see that. that's actually how it works now in iOS7 which I just recently switched to as well. So I don't think anything needs to be changed.
I believe this is because MC takes a bit of time before view changes are available for third party clients.
Its not just view changes though, its dynamic smartlists that in theaterview or regular desktop view, automatically update the files in the lists as soon as you 're-view them'. It really hampers the value of MC in the first place since it has such amazing smartlist capabilities, but these don't work as well in a mobile mode.
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The function to display a cover in full screen from a song that isn't playing, does not work anymore. It was possible in earlier versions by selecting an album, select the metadata and tap on the thumbnail. Is it possible to restore this function? Also, the actual (iPad) time (upper side in the middle) does not disappear when a cover is selected, but is now displayed through the full screen cover. I don't like that.
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I found a solution for retrieving the missing mp3 files. Running a clean file properties on the entire library restored the missing files to JRemote. This was a new problem for me with this version. If anyone else runs into this, see above for fix.
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The new app works great. Much faster editing of playlists on my set up. The one feature that would improve the JRemote user experience for me would include having the ability to add songs to an existing JRiver playlist. I know this comes up on the board from time to time but sure would be a great addition to a great product.
Thanks, Dale
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Thanks for the update. I like the new look, very sleek.
I have one question: is it possible to provide last.fm support?
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Everyone: There are some new posts up above here. I just merged in a separate thread that had been running over on the Mac board, so that they'd all be in one place. The other thread had some good feedback, though, and I wanted to make sure they got noticed, if you hadn't seen them on the other board.
So, if you weren't looking at the Mac board lately, give this thread a re-scan.
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Lespaul;
Thank you for the great update. The GUI is very fast on my iPad2. I just wish you could kindly consider the followings for the next version.
- The new shortcut to easily reach to the “now playing” list with left swipe action is very handy. However when the pdf booklet of an album is open (inside JRemote) this future (swipe action) does not work. It is not possible to quickly check, for instance, the track number of the song which is playing when reading its booklet. You need to close the pdf booklet, check the list and then re-search for the associated booklet and re-open it to resume reading. If the left swipe action could work when the pdf files are open, that would be really an awesome future.
- Is it possible to create a shortcut button which directly finds the related folder of the playing track and lists the pdf files in that folder? I believe this is the easiest way to reach to the pdf booklets.
- The sampling rate in “now playing” view should be written as 88.2 not 88200 for consistency.
Thanks again and congratulations.
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Les Paul
I did not see this addressed anywhere:
1 - iPhone 4 videos will not play in landscape, or I cannot get them to.
MP4 videos work fine, but will not rotate to landscape.
How do I do that.
2 - iPad - I like the +60 and -30 buttons (others as well) but they appear worthless once the video is playing, I no longer see them at the bottom.
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Les Paul
One additional item:
I have 2 machines connected locally on wifi.
and I can use my iphone to see and play from either of them
Both have unique jriver keys and one is at 52199 the other is 52196
my problem is I can not remotely view and play from the 52196 computer.
I only can remotely play from the 52199 computer.
When I say remotely I mean away from the local wifi they are both connected to.
I have tried everything I can think of including using the ip address with the :52196 but does not work.
Also use No-IP to maintain my ipaddress.
but using no-ip name I assigned again always takes me to the 52199 computer when they are both on.
Any thoughts?
Thanks again for all your work on this product. It is fantastic.
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Yes, an option to turn off the background color animation is ready for the next version. I may also tone down the actual color change.
Nr 3 will be added to an upcoming version.
Not sure what you mean with 1. All screens should already be dark if using the dark theme.
I'm glad to hear about the option to turn off the background color animation. Will it be a more neutral gray which is best for viewing artwork? Nice job overall though. Just a great app.
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Great update LesPaul. Just wonderful.
No requests here.
I trust all future updates will simply continue to make this the best way to control MC and bring MC on the road.
Cheers!
Patrick
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Downloaded new app version tonight and having extreme difficulty listening to music. My now playing is not responding to stop or clear playlist or next. Hung up my server twice and had to reboot to fix. Now same problems back again. How do I revert back to version previous to 3.0 as it is unusable as is. Please help!
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Important crash report:
Using IPAD 4 IOS 7.1.1, this version of JRemote crashes when I try to play a playlist with JRiver live loopback.
After this crash it is impossible to open the JRemote app again as it opens and closes by itself. The only way to recover is to uninstall the app and installing again.
Note: I have the older version on my Iphone and it is working fine.
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Hallo Lespaul,
The new informations about the connection errors are great.
It would be very helpfull to have two new options in the settings dialog:
1. Editable Waittimeout in seconds.
because: From WOL my PC starts in about 14-20 seconds until mediacenter is availible. Most of the time i have to retry to estable a connection.
2. disable Remote internet Connections, (if LAN is not availible)
because: my PC, and i think many others) will never be reachable outside of LAN
Thanks Erwin
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JRemote seems to crash when switching to new album or selection(s) added to current playlist. For instance if I start playing an album and then add another album to current playlist. It will play through the first album and crash when switching to the next one.
This occurs when playing to Bluetooth speakers or headphones using the following settings.
Prevent screen from dimming is enabled
Transcode is disabled
Music I am listening to is high quality FLAC with 24Bit / 96KHz mostly but happens with standard 16Bit / 44KHz albums sometimes as well.
I had posted this in the thread above this one but have not received any responses and it was suggested that I post JRemote questions here.
Any help appreciated
Carl
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After this crash it is impossible to open the JRemote app again as it opens and closes by itself. The only way to recover is to uninstall the app and installing again.
Just to be sure... Did you try clearing the application Suspended state data using the multitasking menu?
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Important crash report:
Using IPAD 4 IOS 7.1.1, this version of JRemote crashes when I try to play a playlist with JRiver live loopback.
After this crash it is impossible to open the JRemote app again as it opens and closes by itself. The only way to recover is to uninstall the app and installing again.
Note: I have the older version on my Iphone and it is working fine.
I observed the same issue. Both iPad and iPhone 5 with the new version are affected.
Logging in on the PC and clearing the play now list (hence removing loopback from it) restores functionality.
As soon as loopback shows up in play now, the app crashes again and keeps doing it until it is removed.
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Is there any potential impact with the impending release of iOS 8 in a couple of weeks?
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Downloaded new app version tonight and having extreme difficulty listening to music. My now playing is not responding to stop or clear playlist or next. Hung up my server twice and had to reboot to fix. Now same problems back again. How do I revert back to version previous to 3.0 as it is unusable as is. Please help!
changed my update channels preference in jriver from most stable to latest, downloaded 19.0.134 and problems seem to be resolved with jremote.No more hanging server or playlist issues.
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Is there any potential impact with the impending release of iOS 8 in a couple of weeks?
iOS 8 isn't getting released in a couple weeks. It will be announced, then a bunch of betas with a Gold release sometime this fall.
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JRemote seems to crash when switching to new album or selection(s) added to current playlist. For instance if I start playing an album and then add another album to current playlist. It will play through the first album and crash when switching to the next one.
This occurs when playing to Bluetooth speakers or headphones using the following settings.
Prevent screen from dimming is enabled
Transcode is disabled
Music I am listening to is high quality FLAC with 24Bit / 96KHz mostly but happens with standard 16Bit / 44KHz albums sometimes as well.
I had posted this in the thread above this one but have not received any responses and it was suggested that I post JRemote questions here.
Any help appreciated
Carl
Is no one else using JRemote with Bluetooth speakers or headset and high resolution music on an iPhone 5?
Carl
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Is anyone having the landscape issue on iphone 5?
Previous msg.................
Les Paul
I did not see this addressed anywhere:
1 - iPhone 5 videos will not play in landscape, or I cannot get them to.
MP4 videos work fine, but will not rotate to landscape.
How do I do that.
2 - iPad - I like the +60 and -30 buttons (others as well) but they appear worthless once the video is playing, I no longer see them at the bottom.
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Is no one else using JRemote with Bluetooth speakers or headset and high resolution music on an iPhone 5?
I use it with my little JBL Bluetooth speaker (http://www.jbl.com/estore/jbl/us/products/JBL-Charge/JBL%20CHARGE_JBL_US?skuId=JBLCHARGESHADOWAM_JBL_US&searchMode=regularProductOnly&sCatId=cat240040) all the time.
No high-res music, really, though. A large portion of my Library is all FLAC, though I have MC/JRemote set to convert what it streams to medium-quality MP3 anyway (since I stream outside my home network over my WAN connection at home).
No issues.
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Hello
The IOS 7 version of JRemote still has the same glitch as before. When I add a new track to the playlist and then pull the playlist, the last track is not there. I change the zone and then back to the original zone and the last added track appears.
Regards
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Hello
The IOS 7 version of JRemote still has the same glitch as before. When I add a new track to the playlist and then pull the playlist, the last track is not there. I change the zone and then back to the original zone and the last added track appears.
Regards
I guess this could be because of slow network or something. JRemote will reload the list whenever you change it, but won`t retry repeatedly if the call fails.
Can you tell me more about your connection, any other views loading slow?
BTW, There is now a reload option to the action menu to manually reload the playlist if it get`s out of sync
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Les Paul
I did not see this addressed anywhere:
1 - iPhone 4 videos will not play in landscape, or I cannot get them to.
MP4 videos work fine, but will not rotate to landscape.
How do I do that.
2 - iPad - I like the +60 and -30 buttons (others as well) but they appear worthless once the video is playing, I no longer see them at the bottom.
I`m sorry, the iPhone rotation problem was reported earlier, but I forgot to actually fix it. It will be part of the next update.
The +- buttons are only used for remote playback at the moment. All streamed videos use the standard iOS controls.
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Here is the bug fixes and features for the next version. It was submitted to the store on monday, so should be out soon.
Added:
- Change audio device for each individual zone
- "App follows server zone changes" added to settings.
- Copy connection summary to clipboard
Changed:
- Color changes in "Now playing" toned down. Also added an option in settings to turn it off.
Fixed:
- Crash when playlist contains loopback or other unknown types
- Wrong color in searchfield with dark theme
- Editable setting fields hard to hit (You can now touch anywhere)
- Full resolution image not showing when thumbnail tapped in metadata view
- Audio continues playing when starting movie playback
- Server address and name dynamically updated even when not using access key
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Thanks for replying. What I mean by trackpad is that you can use your finger on your device to move the mouse cursor around (Rowmote offers something like that).
Until now, when I want to change some settings for example, I have to exit JRemote and open up a VNC Viewer in order to move the mouse through the settings.
Lespaul, may I get info on this from you?
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iOS 8 isn't getting released in a couple weeks. It will be announced, then a bunch of betas with a Gold release sometime this fall.
Oh, I thought it was already announced and set for release June 2nd but I don't follow that news closely.
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Oh, I thought it was already announced and set for release June 2nd but I don't follow that news closely.
Nope.
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I have been using JRemote on my IPad and IPad Mini for a couple of years; like the update, but have 1 issue: I use playlists a lot and when I'm on the playing now screen (which is where I usually leave it), the list of tracks and their thumbnails on the left does not seem to automatically scroll and keep up with the tracks currently playing--the prior version did this.
Also, a feature I'd love to see I'd to be able to click on the currently playing cover art and go to full page cover art (which of course it does now) and leave it on full cover art display and have the cover art switch to the next song when the track playing switches to the next song.
Thanks!
Randy
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Overall, the new JRemote has been behaving pretty well for me. I've been using it a while and saving up my feedback, and now I think I have a good idea of what I'm seeing.
1. Occasional Crashiness
I'm not going to go into this much. It crashes a little more often than the older version. Not absurdly crashy or anything though. I'm sure this will improve, and I didn't find any specific reproducible issues.
2. Longer-Running Smartlists/Views Take Multiple Tries to Load
This is a bit more frustrating. I have a set of Mixes in MCWS that are build on-top-of Play Doctor saved lists. They're nice auto-shuffling "Playlists" that are in the Audio section of MCWS, so that they can be easily accessed. But, they take a little longer than a regular view to load. This delay is VERY slight in Standard and Theater Views on my computer, but is longer over MCWS. In any case, JRemote doesn't load them right. It seems like it just "gives up" too quickly. What happens is:
* I open one of these Views, and JRemote thinks for a bit...
(http://glynor.com/img/screenshots/JRemote/JRemote3-Loading_Fancy_View-small.png)
* Around 1/3rd of the time when at home on my LAN, and basically ALL the time when away from home over my WAN, after a second or three it fails. This makes it show up empty.
(http://glynor.com/img/screenshots/JRemote/JRemote3-Loading_Fancy_View_Failed-small.png)
* If I "close" (navigate away from) and reopen the view once or twice, then it does eventually fill with contents properly.
(http://glynor.com/img/screenshots/JRemote/JRemote3-Loading_Fancy_View_Recovered-small.png)
I assume it is just timing out a little quicker than I'd like. Interestingly, once it loads properly, then I can get new contents instantaneously by simply navigating away from the view and then back into it, as usual. These "refreshes" happen instantly, and don't ever time out. That might just be the result of the fact that the Smartlists these are built upon have a ~shuffle modifier, though. I've never checked all 100 tracks of one to see if they match perfectly aside from order.
But, if I force JRemote to close (or it disconnects/closes naturally) and then re-open the Views in question, they behave the same.
I realize it is probably just a timeout thing, but these lists are essentially the ONLY way my Wife uses JRemote (she loves Play Doctor) and she finds it incredibly frustrating. She just keeps telling me that they don't work (forgetting I showed her patience and to re-open them a few times before) and is annoyed at the new JRemote. Any way we can have a longer timeout? I think just another 2-3 seconds would cover the vast majority of my cases.
Or, even better would be some better messaging and an easier way to refresh it. You can tell the difference easily between a View that is really broken and contains no content and one of these timeout conditions because JRemote shows the "No Content Found" message instantly on any View that is actually broken (MCWS returns results, but really returns zero tracks), and one that timed out thinks about it for a while before giving the No Tracks guess. What is frustrating (to my wife) is that it just says "no tracks", and that you have to remember how to refresh it by going back > forward > back > forward a few times. Clearly, because of how it behaves, JRemote continues to listen for and process the results that come in after it times out (that's why the refresh the view dance eventually works, and the view loads instantly when it does). But, it doesn't fill itself when these results do eventually come in and you have to do the dance to refresh it. If would be nice if it said something like: "View loading taking longer than expected. Press button to go back, or wait for results."
And then it actually filled in when the results come in automatically (currently, once you get the "No results" it won't refresh the view in JRemote until you close/reopen the view).
Also had a "circle arrow" button next to the "go back" button that manually requests a refresh (reload the whole thing from the Server).
More stuff in my next post.
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3. Sometimes If You Advance/Reverse Through Tracks, the Cover Art Gets Confused
If I rapidly skip through a number of tracks (forward or back), sometimes JRemote gets confused which cover art it should display.
(http://glynor.com/img/screenshots/JRemote/JRemote3-Wrong_Art-small.png)
That's a U2 cover, not LCD Soundsystem!
This seems to happen more often if I use the steering-wheel controls on my stereo to advance/reverse through the Playing Now list (via the standard mechanism through USB which works with JRemote and the Music app and all other similar applications), but I think I can reproduce it with the regular inside-JRemote controls too.
It gets "off sync" and doesn't just show random cover art. In the example above, a U2 song off of Achtung Baby was in the Playing Now list, a track or two "before" the LCD Soundsystem one. And, when the track advances, it does change the cover art with it, just to the wrong song (in this case, if I advanced again or let it end, the next cover art shown would probably have been the cover from that LCD Soundsystem album). So, it isn't just picking random cover art or anything, it gets out of sync with itself.
4. Playback Doesn't Stop When I Turn Off My Car Stereo (or Bluetooth Speakers, Etc)
This is annoying. With every other audio app on my iPhone, when I have my phone plugged into my stereo via USB, and I turn off the car, the app stops/pauses. This applies to the Apple Music.app and to things like iCatcher (my third-party podcasting app). JRemote keeps playing and switches to the internal iPhone speaker.
The same thing applies when I use my JBL Bluetooth speaker thing. It is annoying. That might be a choice to keep playing or whatever, but I think most people, most of the time would prefer it to stop when they turn off the car (or whatever). You can always hit play again if you really want it to continue playing, but it is frustrating to have to hit stop/pause every time.
That's the only actual bugginess I can make clear reports on. Things I'd like?
* My wife would love you (and me a little more) if you could somehow enable a way to do Play Doctor from a song seed, rather than having my pre-set lists. This is how she really likes to use MC at home. She navigates and find a song she wants to hear, and does Send to > Play > Play (with Play Doctor).
* Streaming video of course.
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4. Playback Doesn't Stop When I Turn Off My Car Stereo (or Bluetooth Speakers, Etc)
This is annoying. With every other audio app on my iPhone, when I have my phone plugged into my stereo via USB, and I turn off the car, the app stops/pauses. This applies to the Apple Music.app and to things like iCatcher (my third-party podcasting app). JRemote keeps playing and switches to the internal iPhone speaker.
The same thing applies when I use my JBL Bluetooth speaker thing. It is annoying. That might be a choice to keep playing or whatever, but I think most people, most of the time would prefer it to stop when they turn off the car (or whatever). You can always hit play again if you really want it to continue playing, but it is frustrating to have to hit stop/pause every time.
+ 1.
In addition, I would prefer bigger fonts at the playing now view, at least for the Name field. It's very hard to see what's playing when the phone is docked in the car or wherever.
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Great update but please make the volume control only appear if it's active (or have an option) and please don't include those skip times +30sec etc etc...no use for audio and clutters the interface. If watching video then they might be useful but could be visible within that contact.
Thanks for your hard work and well done on the new job.
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Here is the bug fixes and features for the next version. It was submitted to the store on monday, so should be out soon.
Added:
- Change audio device for each individual zone
- "App follows server zone changes" added to settings.
- Copy connection summary to clipboard
Changed:
- Color changes in "Now playing" toned down. Also added an option in settings to turn it off.
Fixed:
- Crash when playlist contains loopback or other unknown types
- Wrong color in searchfield with dark theme
- Editable setting fields hard to hit (You can now touch anywhere)
- Full resolution image not showing when thumbnail tapped in metadata view
- Audio continues playing when starting movie playback
- Server address and name dynamically updated even when not using access key
As of late today I have not seen the update. Should this be available now.
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Are we going to have the bugs reported in the old version reported as far back as 2012 fixed?
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I have two problems.
When one song is playing and I select another song in the middle of the last song, I get what seems to be two songs playing at the same time. I sometimes have to exit the iOS app to get it working correctly again. I am on a Mac running latest version of J a River MC and JRemote app.
Also, I have so far found one album that does not play. There is a pop up dialog box saying there is an "audio streaming error" and will not play any tracks from that album. Now here is where it is interesting. The JRiver when I am on the Mac has no problem playing this album. And if I delete and re-add the album, I have the same problem.
Bob
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As of late today I have not seen the update. Should this be available now.
He has no control. It was submitted to the App Store. Now in Apple's hands.
It is usually about a week, from what I've heard.
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Okay but it's been more than a week. No problem though. Even if he doesn't change the couple of things I would like I still love this app.
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When I play a single album the playlist shows up with out any issues but having it show up on consistent basis for random/shuffle songs/album it is hit or miss. Mostly miss for me. Is there a trick that I am missing?
Thx
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I don't know if this was reported above, but if the Server has more Zones than will fit on a single screenful , there's no way to select the ones at the bottom of the list.
This is particularly troublesome since "this device" is always at the bottom.
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I have a problem when I open from iPad.
Everything I start the app, I get the screen on how to navigate thru and I also lose my views. I don't lose my server info. Does it to both my iPads, air and 3rd gen. Both running 7.1.1
I tried uninstalling and reinstall and trouble still there.
This may be normal behavior and I just haven't noticed it before. So if that's the case, sorry to post this.
This does not happen on the iPhone.
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I had to uninstall and reinstall JRemote on my wife's iPhone 5s today because it got stuck in a state where it would crash every time you navigated to the file-level view.
You could navigate through all Categories and everything fine, but the instant you hit the file level it would instantly crash.
Clearing app saved state and rebooting didn't help. Nuking the app did, for now. Her install was reasonably "fresh" though... It only "lasted" a few days working properly.
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Just a quick note to say that the next update will be out soon.
I had to pull it shortly after I told you it was submitted because of a bug I found.
Anyway, should be out any time now.
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Overall, the new JRemote has been behaving pretty well for me. I've been using it a while and saving up my feedback, and now I think I have a good idea of what I'm seeing.
1. Occasional Crashiness
I'm not going to go into this much. It crashes a little more often than the older version. Not absurdly crashy or anything though. I'm sure this will improve, and I didn't find any specific reproducible issues.
2. Longer-Running Smartlists/Views Take Multiple Tries to Load
This is a bit more frustrating. I have a set of Mixes in MCWS that are build on-top-of Play Doctor saved lists. They're nice auto-shuffling "Playlists" that are in the Audio section of MCWS, so that they can be easily accessed. But, they take a little longer than a regular view to load. This delay is VERY slight in Standard and Theater Views on my computer, but is longer over MCWS. In any case, JRemote doesn't load them right. It seems like it just "gives up" too quickly. What happens is:
* I open one of these Views, and JRemote thinks for a bit...
* Around 1/3rd of the time when at home on my LAN, and basically ALL the time when away from home over my WAN, after a second or three it fails. This makes it show up empty.
* If I "close" (navigate away from) and reopen the view once or twice, then it does eventually fill with contents properly.
I assume it is just timing out a little quicker than I'd like. Interestingly, once it loads properly, then I can get new contents instantaneously by simply navigating away from the view and then back into it, as usual. These "refreshes" happen instantly, and don't ever time out. That might just be the result of the fact that the Smartlists these are built upon have a ~shuffle modifier, though. I've never checked all 100 tracks of one to see if they match perfectly aside from order.
But, if I force JRemote to close (or it disconnects/closes naturally) and then re-open the Views in question, they behave the same.
I realize it is probably just a timeout thing, but these lists are essentially the ONLY way my Wife uses JRemote (she loves Play Doctor) and she finds it incredibly frustrating. She just keeps telling me that they don't work (forgetting I showed her patience and to re-open them a few times before) and is annoyed at the new JRemote. Any way we can have a longer timeout? I think just another 2-3 seconds would cover the vast majority of my cases.
Or, even better would be some better messaging and an easier way to refresh it. You can tell the difference easily between a View that is really broken and contains no content and one of these timeout conditions because JRemote shows the "No Content Found" message instantly on any View that is actually broken (MCWS returns results, but really returns zero tracks), and one that timed out thinks about it for a while before giving the No Tracks guess. What is frustrating (to my wife) is that it just says "no tracks", and that you have to remember how to refresh it by going back > forward > back > forward a few times. Clearly, because of how it behaves, JRemote continues to listen for and process the results that come in after it times out (that's why the refresh the view dance eventually works, and the view loads instantly when it does). But, it doesn't fill itself when these results do eventually come in and you have to do the dance to refresh it. If would be nice if it said something like: "View loading taking longer than expected. Press button to go back, or wait for results."
And then it actually filled in when the results come in automatically (currently, once you get the "No results" it won't refresh the view in JRemote until you close/reopen the view).
Also had a "circle arrow" button next to the "go back" button that manually requests a refresh (reload the whole thing from the Server).
More stuff in my next post.
Good feedback,
I`ll add the following improvements for the next release.
- Increase time-out
- Add a progress bar that shows the actual download progress
- Change the text to inform the user that the request failed
- Add another button to refresh the view when failed.
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I`ll add the following improvements for the next release.
- Increase time-out
- Add a progress bar that shows the actual download progress
- Change the text to inform the user that the request failed
- Add another button to refresh the view when failed.
Beautiful. Thanks!!
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The IPhone App was doing fine inside my LAN, but after switching off Wi-Fi just to make some tests, I lost the connection. WAN was working a few days ago, so before double check the router settings, I tried to restart the App. After that I could connect with the server and everything worked fine again. Has anyone else experienced the same issue? (LAN OK - WAN KO until forcing an App restart)
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My situation...
Pre update to latest version
iPad (1st generation running IOS 5.x) can connect to all servers and all functions okay
iPad (4th generation running IOS 7.x) can connect to all servers and all functions okay
Post update to latest version
iPad (1st generation running IOS 5.x) can connect to all servers and all functions okay [not updated]
iPad (4th generation running IOS 7.x) cannot connect to any server with a connection failure message. Connection details..."Connecting to IP: 192.168.1.3 Port 52199---Timed out, The task was canceled"
Everything was working prior to this update. Where do I go from here?
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Hi Lespaul,
Any consideration in adding Last.FM support to track songs? Or is that something that JRiver needs to implement?
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Hi Lespaul,
Any consideration in adding Last.FM support to track songs? Or is that something that JRiver needs to implement?
You can enable scrobbling in MC itself.
And I see that it`s now possible to update the playcount from the webservice. I would think that this will also trigger the Last.fm scrobbler.
I will add this as an option to the next version.
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I have a suspicion that the current version has some issues with network connections in general. That is, some of them fail for unknown reasons.
After replacing the connection code with another approach, it now seem to work more reliably. I hope this will fix various problems reported.
I will try to release versions more rapidly from now on. Will try to add at least one new feature for each version along with improvements and bug fixes.
One new addition for the next version (3.02) is that you can change the cover size in thumbnail view mode. You do this by using a pinch gesture directly on the view. On the iPad you can view from 3 to 8 covers on each line in landscape view, and 2 to 7 in portrait. On the iPhone you can have 2-5 covers on each line.
I have also added load, save and edit buttons to the right edge playlist view on the iPad.
Version 3.01 was submitted to the app store 9 days ago and should have been out now. It has never taken this long before.
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Launched the upgrade and it worked for a couple of hours. Now every time I touch an album for it to play the app closes. iPhone 5.
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I split discussion on the old version (http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=89493.0).
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Got the update last night for 3.0.1 (?). Zone switching does not work for me. Double-checked the settings, tried it both ways, and no zone switching (I have two zones - both show up on JRemote). I even removed JRemote and re-downloaded/installed with no change in behavior.
Other than the Zone Switch issue JRemote ran all evening with no issues - playing songs, connecting, etc.
JRemote 3.0.1
MC 16.0.120
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The App store only has 3.01 available.
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The App store only has 3.01 available.
Yes. Not sure what you mean here. That's the new one.
Lespaul mentioned 3.02 above, but that would be a future version, not yet done (or certainly not approved by Apple and in the App Store).
Aside: Do people really not get, all these years in, at all how the App Store works?
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Nice. You moved "This Device" to the top of the list in the Zones. Thanks.
I'm at home now and was pretty busy* at work today, there was a new episode of ATP for the way home, so I didn't get to test my Mixes remotely. They all load the first time without the "refresh dance" at home now, but that's not definitive since they worked pretty well on local Wifi before.
* My calendar was four columns "wide" today: Meaning, at one point today, I was supposed to be in four places at once. Four column days aren't good days.
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Nice. You moved "This Device" to the top of the list in the Zones. Thanks..
* My calendar was four columns "wide" today
Agreed. Nice.
The calendar though.... no fun.
-p
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Yes. Not sure what you mean here. That's the new one.
Lespaul mentioned 3.02 above, but that would be a future version, not yet done (or certainly not approved by Apple and in the App Store).
Aside: Do people really not get, all these years in, at all how the App Store works?
The post above mine was edited. It mentioned 3.02 being installed, which is why I stated that the App store has 3.01. I get how the App store works BTW
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The post above mine was edited. It mentioned 3.02 being installed, which is why I stated that the App store has 3.01. I get how the App store works BTW
K. Sorry. It was like the third time I'd seen something similar that day.
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You can enable scrobbling in MC itself.
And I see that it`s now possible to update the playcount from the webservice. I would think that this will also trigger the Last.fm scrobbler.
I will add this as an option to the next version.
Awesome! That's great to hear!! Thank you for that Lespaul!!
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I cant believe how much you've improved what was already a great app with the latest versions in IOS7. Keep up the good work!
Hopefully one day we'll see generic DLNA server support with local Database/image caching in JRemote. Then it can replace 8Player too when Im streaming from my Seagate Wireless Plus in the car!! ;)
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I only found out about this version from other, less exciting/less positive threads. Now this is a good reason to finally upgrade to iOS 7.
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I've just installed this excellent app trying to connect to two computers running MC 19. The one connected wireless to a router is working great, but not to the other one. The other computer is wired to a server which wired to the router. When I try to connect I get "Timed out, the task was canceled". I have tried to disable both the firewall on the computer (client) as well as the firewall on the server, but without any luck.
Both computers are running as clients to Media Server on the server, but I don't think that has anything to do with the problems as it's working perfect on the first one.
Any suggestions?
Edit: The server is running Home Server 2011 has two NICs, one with DHCP enabled and connected to the router and one with static IP-address connected to my other computer. I can't access internet without having DHCP enabled on the first NIC.
Edit 2: Solved. Reconfiguring the network did it.
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Does JRemote have access to the Title Expression field under the Configure DLNA Servers section of JRiver? I would really like the ability to use a custom title expression in JRemote. If not I guess we have to get JRiver to add a similar field under the Gizmo configuration section...how do we go about requesting that?
Thanks,
John
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Is it possible to load other libraries from MC in J.Remote?
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No
Have a read of this - it starts of unrelated but answers your question.
http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=89455.msg614186#msg614186
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Hi everyone,
I am just monkeying with the options / Media Network / Advanced / ...Customize views for Gizmo and WebGizmo area to get the slices and dices I want from my database in JRemote on my iPad.
Since I am pretty C**P at the scripting language (not enough time to learn it properly so far) I am mostly using pretty simple clauses and inbuilt rules to achieve what I want and I am pretty happy with the results.
However....
As I am learning still, every time I change the way a view works - the view works the old way until I quit JRiver on the server (where it runs) - JRemote then has to time out on unable to find the server.
Then I have to restart JRiver and then re-connect the remote to JRiver server side component once more.
This makes tweaking the many views I am constructing "tedious and slow" and so I was wondering if there is some other way to say to J-Remote - hey! forget everything you know and start off from scratch with this server again.
I have tried, closing the application on the iPad and re-opening it once more. This does not have the desired effect - I assume there is some 'state' in the iPad that persists. I have also tried tapping the cog and touching the blue button to connect to the server again, but that doesn't work either. You have to get JRemote to display "wake" for the server and only then it seems to "pick up" the new iteration of the views from the server.
While writing this I realize / guess it caches all the views on connection.
Any answers?
Hopefully this is not an FAQ!
Thanks
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You can test them with a web browser.
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Here is the bug fixes and features for the next version. It was submitted to the store on monday, so should be out soon.
Added:
- Change audio device for each individual zone
- "App follows server zone changes" added to settings.
- Copy connection summary to clipboard
Changed:
- Color changes in "Now playing" toned down. Also added an option in settings to turn it off.
Fixed:
- Crash when playlist contains loopback or other unknown types
- Wrong color in searchfield with dark theme
- Editable setting fields hard to hit (You can now touch anywhere)
- Full resolution image not showing when thumbnail tapped in metadata view
- Audio continues playing when starting movie playback
- Server address and name dynamically updated even when not using access key
I just want to thank you for this fine app and from my initial reaction to the appearance and color changes I have grown more accustomed to them (and appreciate the color toning down). This is absolutely the best app for my interests.
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You can test them with a web browser.
Thanks a lot - so you can!
http://<IP>:52199/Gizmo
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So I guess if I have different computers on the network, each with one of my libraries loaded, I could connect to these libraries by simply connecting to these computers, right? That's one workaround, at least, though of course I'm stuck playing from that computer, which isn't ideal.
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Maybe I'm just missing a setting, but is landscape mode supported on iPhone 5S?
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...Just moving from an external thread
Some feature requests I'd like to be considered in next releases of this great App ;D
iPhone App:
- Bigger fonts for at least for Name and Artist at the Playing Now screen
- Landscape mode at the playing now screen
- Stop Playback when switching off the Bluetooth device through which sound was being routed (i.e. when turning off Car Stereo)
- Option to jump to Playing Now screen when tapping a file
General:
- Last Played field update on the server when "This device" zone is chosen
Mars,
You may want to put this in the main JRemote thread.
http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=89108.msg614729#new
Cheers!
Patrick
The font size should scale with your accessibility setting on the device.
Unfortunately, font size doesn't scale in the Playing Now screen, nor in the active Playlist list view, as though it does in the others:
http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=89530.msg614788#msg614788 (http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=89530.msg614788#msg614788)
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Last night, everything was working fine with JRemote. This morning I updated to the new version of JRemote on my iPad Mini and I can't connect. I've tried using both the access key and IP address. At first I was getting the message "found 2 IP addresses". Now it just says "Connecting to IP: 192.168.1.15 Port: 52199. The next line says "Timed out. The Task was canceled". On my old iPad, when trying to connect, I get the message "Access key was verified, but computer connection failed. Make sure your computer is running and connected to a network." I've been using JRemote since it came out and have never had problems. I've searched and I'm not finding a solution. Can anyone give advice?
Thanks,
Vic
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JRemote 3.01 is crashing on my iPhone 5s. I can open it and select artist then click on any artist and it just returns to my home screen. Any ideas?
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JRemote 3.01 is crashing on my iPhone 5s. I can open it and select artist then click on any artist and it just returns to my home screen. Any ideas?
Delete and reinstall the app.
This happened on my Wife's 5s as well, but that fixed it.
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Delete and reinstall the app.
This happened on my Wife's 5s as well, but that fixed it.
That fixed it. Thanks!
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Hi -
I'm enjoying the new version, but there's a feature that I don't know if has ever been there or if it's just out of the new version: Play Doctor to the iPad? Works fine playing to the player, but it's not an option to "this device."
Thanks!
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Actually, I spoke too soon: it doesn't work fine playing to the player. It just played the album that the song I selected is from. Same as queuing the album normally.
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Recently I have noticed that adding tracks to the current playlist (via JRemote) is not showing up in the app.
The count in the lower-left increases, but the Playlist or Now Playing views are not being updated. I have to switch zones to force them to update.
It seems to happen when I add tracks to the current playlist, rather than replacing the current playlist. If I replace the current playlist, it updates correctly.
Perhaps there is some use-case for it that I'm not aware of, but when I swipe from the right to bring up the playlist, I'm not sure why the rest of the view is interactive.
I instinctively tap on the left space to dismiss the playlist every time and either end up viewing a list of tracks, or worse, adding a number of tracks or replacing the current playlist.
If it is intended to be interactive, it would be good if the view resized to display all items rather than covering up the right half.
In the Now Playing View, if you hit edit then exit and return to it, the "edit" button still reads "done" but the edit controls are no longer being displayed.
Related to that, shifting the "delete" button over 12px to the left so that it is centered would be nice.
(http://abload.de/img/it-hurtsd5i8r.png) (http://abload.de/img/much-betterbccwr.png)
I'd also lose the drop-shadow on that control too.
But rather than making that change, I think it would be much more useful if the delete buttons were replaced with selection buttons instead, similar to Mail.
There doesn't seem to be any way to remove multiple tracks at once via JRemote short of clearing the entire playlist.
(http://abload.de/img/playing-nowclul8.png) (http://abload.de/img/playing-nowclul8.png)
And nitpicking, the 68pt Helvetica Neue UltraLight upper-case X in Now Playing really bothers me.
(http://abload.de/img/0-capital-xmtscg.png)
It would be nice if the close button could be replaced with either a 90pt multiplication sign; ×
(http://abload.de/img/1-multiplicationfpsdr.png)
A 60pt circled lower-case x; ⓧ
(http://abload.de/img/2-circled-xxys81.png)
Or a custom drawn icon which encircles a 60pt multiplication sign, if you're using images rather than text for this control:
(http://abload.de/img/3-custom-multiplicatiu9smf.png)
I'd also add that I'm not keen on the fact that Now Playing is opened in the upper-right, but closed in the upper-left.
As I mentioned previously, something that really helps usability with touchscreen apps like this is if the controls stay in a fixed position as much as possible. (my proposed (http://abload.de/img/minimal-controlsmql3z.png) changes (http://abload.de/img/playing-nowqux3n.jpg) for the playback control layout is an example of that)
It would be nice if, when viewing cover art full-screen, there was nothing displayed but the cover art.
No status bar or controls, just the artwork. Tapping the screen anywhere should close the view, rather than requiring an "X" control. (which is different from the Now Playing "X")
2. Longer-Running Smartlists/Views Take Multiple Tries to Load
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http://glynor.com/img/screenshots/JRemote/JRemote3-Loading_Fancy_View-small.png (http://glynor.com/img/screenshots/JRemote/JRemote3-Loading_Fancy_View-small.png)
http://glynor.com/img/screenshots/JRemote/JRemote3-Loading_Fancy_View_Failed-small.png (http://glynor.com/img/screenshots/JRemote/JRemote3-Loading_Fancy_View_Failed-small.png)
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I assume it is just timing out a little quicker than I'd like.
I've experienced this a lot recently as well - it seemed to be very frequent when my CPU was busy analyzing a number of new albums.
Though it was not with smart lists or anything like that, just regular artist/album navigation.
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I split off and merged in a few other topics regarding Play Doctor issues with the current version over to this thread:
http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=89632.0
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I remember read somewhere that sometimes JRemote plays a song twice at the same time. This happened to me today, when using 4G to connect to my home server, I hit play on a song, it doesn't started playing right away, so I hit play again, and a couple seconds later, it begun to play the same song but twice, with a second or two of difference (overlapped). Anybody else experienced this kind of bug??
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I remember read somewhere that sometimes JRemote plays a song twice at the same time. This happened to me today, when using 4G to connect to my home server, I hit play on a song, it doesn't started playing right away, so I hit play again, and a couple seconds later, it begun to play the same song but twice, with a second or two of difference (overlapped). Anybody else experienced this kind of bug??
Me.
Happens with some frequency. Haven't been able to figure out what triggers it.
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Thanks a lot - so you can!
http://<IP>:52199/Gizmo
Actually this is not correct, from my testing with a web page as recommended, the "web views" do not update when I make a change to the way they work, without a restart of J River process.
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Actually this is not correct, from my testing with a web page as recommended, the "web views" do not update when I make a change to the way they work, without a restart of J River process.
That's not what I claimed, or responded to.
You DO have to restart MC entirely to see changes to Views made in Media Network. Period.
However, if you do your testing with your web browser, then you don't have to fiddle with also restarting JRemote.
Another tip: If you do this on the machine acting as the server, and you go to: http://localhost:<PORT> (rather than http://<ADDRESS>:<PORT>) then it won't make you authenticate.
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It seems Artist Bio says no artist found for any and all artists. Anyone else experiencing this?
Thx
tony
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I have a question regarding using JRemote outside my LAN. Do I have to do any port forwarding to make this work?
I've entered my outside IP address (gathered from whatsmyipaddress.org) in the Global Access address line, but can't seem to connect from outside the LAN (works fine inside the LAN).
What am i missing to make this work?
Thanks,
Brian
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Yes. It will require port forwarding. Here's more:
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Network_Access
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Thanks, Jim.
What ports need to be forwarded for J Remote/J River to work outside the LAN? (I didn't see specific ports mentioned in the page you linked to.)
Regards,
Brian
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Whatever port you're running on. It's usually 52199. Wake on LAN is 9? You could do an Internet search or read the wiki page on WOL.
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Not sure what I am missing but I used to easily be able to rate songs in JRemote as they were playing. I can't seem to find any way to do this after the update.....
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You need to have "authentication" set on the server (MC).
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You need to have "authentication" set on the server (MC).
Hello - authentication is set. I was able to do this prior to the new JRemote version. How do you set in the new version? Thank you
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Like I said it's not critical mass for me just a preference. Based on my work and awareness of correct color I'm probably more susceptible to it bothering me than most. I can understand others liking or or thinking what's the big deal. It isn't.
The new version is great. my only quibble is with the Now Playing black level in thr file list amd album image. the light black level looks like a poorly calibrated display. I find it detracts from the quality of the album art.
- Rich
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Lespaul
2 questions
1 - I want to access remotely jriver - I have two separate machines running at the house with jriver on it and want to access each remotely.
I can reach the first with NO-IP configured as such unique access key and unique TCP port.
But the second configured the same but different TCP port will go to the first or will come back with an error.
I can access each by TCP port number when inside my network, just not outside using no-ip setup or using the external IP address.
Any thoughts?
2 - Are you planning "Landscape" mode for iphone in the next release? I can currently play video remotely, but only in portrait mode on iphone.
Thanks for a great product.
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Love the new version
I have two questions..
1) is there a way to use JRemote to control the streaming of youtube videos? My kids like to listen to music through you tube and want to stream it to our home stereo. I have not figured out a way to do this via the Ipad.
2) This may be an MC question: Is there a way to control volume leveling - some songs are simply louder than others which forces us to increase/decrease volume almost on a per song basis.
Thanks
dave
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I recently purchased this and use it on my iPhone and IPad. This is a wonderful app!
Super on the Ipad. A little limited on the IPhone due to sizing issues.
Worth every penny and then some.
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1) is there a way to use JRemote to control the streaming of youtube videos? My kids like to listen to music through you tube and want to stream it to our home stereo. I have not figured out a way to do this via the Ipad.
I don't think there is a way to control YouTube via JRemote.
The best solution is probably to buy an AirPort Express (or maybe a Chromecast?) and control via the YouTube app.
2) This may be an MC question: Is there a way to control volume leveling - some songs are simply louder than others which forces us to increase/decrease volume almost on a per song basis.
Are the files in your library analyzed?
Are you using any DSP other than Volume Leveling?
Are you playing random tracks, or an album?
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Hi LP,
I've been playing with 3.01 for a couple of weeks now and have some possible bugs to report and a couple of requests. FYI all of this has been noticed on an ipad 4 with latest ios.
Possible bugs:
1) when you remove a track from a playlist there is sometimes a significant delay between the gesture and the action happening. So much so that I've repeated the gesture and managed to delete 2 or 3 tracks. Is it possible to fail safe this so that the next gesture isn't recognised until the last one has been actioned
2) I'm getting constant network issues where the server disconnects and then has trouble re-connecting until I restart the app.
3) When I navigate between playlists and audio the main screen occasionally doesn't show the correct icons and instead shows top-level navigation icons which are not consistent with the rest of the app. I
4) when I navigate to either artist level or album level occasionally I get an empty view with a 'no content' error message. If I back out and then go back and then in again 2-3 times I eventually get it to show me the content. Sometimes the app crashes at this point.
5) in the playing now window if you touch your finger in top-left of screen (where it says ipad with the wifi logo on by ipad) the playlist scrolls up.
Requests:
1) can we have an option to switch off the volume control if we don't need it (or better still if it's switched off in JR). It's a small thing but it confuses almost everyone who tried out jremote here.
2) can we have an option to switch off the +/- seconds buttons as they are just no use for an audio-only setup.
I read an earlier comment about deleting the app to cure some of the network issues. I'll report back if successful.
Cheers for some great work,
Crom
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Possible bugs:
1) when you remove a track from a playlist there is sometimes a significant delay between the gesture and the action happening. So much so that I've repeated the gesture and managed to delete 2 or 3 tracks. Is it possible to fail safe this so that the next gesture isn't recognised until the last one has been actioned
I find that the playlist just doesn't update for me at all unless you use a command that clears or replaces the entire list, or switch zones after making the change.
Definitely seems like a bug introduced in this version.
3) When I navigate between playlists and audio the main screen occasionally doesn't show the correct icons and instead shows top-level navigation icons which are not consistent with the rest of the app.
I find that this happens when resuming JRemote after it being in the background for a while. Reconnecting to the server fixes it.
This bug has been there for as long as I've been using the app, and is not new to the current version.
4) when I navigate to either artist level or album level occasionally I get an empty view with a 'no content' error message. If I back out and then go back and then in again 2-3 times I eventually get it to show me the content. Sometimes the app crashes at this point.
Yes, this has been happening a lot recently. It doesn't seem specific to any type of view.
I'm not sure what the cause is, but it's very frustrating. It seems like the new version is timing out requests too soon, if the server is slow to respond.
5) in the playing now window if you touch your finger in top-left of screen (where it says ipad with the wifi logo on by ipad) the playlist scrolls up.
That is standard iOS behavior when viewing any content that scrolls beyond the current view.
1) can we have an option to switch off the volume control if we don't need it (or better still if it's switched off in JR). It's a small thing but it confuses almost everyone who tried out jremote here.
I agree, it would be nice if the volume control was removed rather than staying at 0%.
I ended up just enabling Internal Volume on my server and leaving it at 100%.
I always use my DAC for volume control, but if someone else unfamiliar with my setup is using it, they prefer to control volume via the app.
2) can we have an option to switch off the +/- seconds buttons as they are just no use for an audio-only setup.
No use for video either - video is controlled via the regular iOS controls.
I find they clutter the display and are too easy to hit accidentally.
Here are a couple of mockups I posted a while back, showing how I'd prefer the app to look, using the native iOS colorscheme, and removing unnecessary controls:
(http://abload.de/img/minimal-controlsmql3z.png) (http://abload.de/img/minimal-controlsmql3z.png) (http://abload.de/img/playing-nowqux3n.jpg) (http://abload.de/img/playing-nowqux3n.jpg)
I'm not saying it has to look exactly like that, but it would simplify the controls and make the app easier to use.
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I find that the playlist just doesn't update for me at all unless you use a command that clears or replaces the entire list, or switch zones after making the change.
Definitely seems like a bug introduced in this version.
Nope, reported a long time ago.
http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=79104.msg573120#msg573120 (http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=79104.msg573120#msg573120)
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You have to make sure both are mapped to separate port numbers on your gateway/firewall. When the request comes in, the gateway looks at the destination port number and matches it to the proper internal ip and port number.
So, the answer to your question lies in your setup on your gateway device.
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Hi Folks. I am a new user of JRiver and JRemote and like both very much. I have a nagging issue with JRemote that I cannot seem to resolve. After restarting my iPad I find that JRemote does not reliably connect to JRiver even though I have the access key, the IP and MAC addresses of the computer hosting JRiver set up properly in JRemote. Sometimes I have to play with JRiver, playing a song or something, to get JRemote to connect.
Is there anything that can be done or that I can look at to help resolve this issue? Thanks in advance for any help you may have.
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Is the computer sleeping?
WoL can be challenging to set up.
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Hi Glynor. No the computer is not sleeping and I can have the full software package, including the user interface, or just the server service running with the same effect. Must be cockpit problems (between the ears) on my side of things. (PS. I should have made this a standalone post as it took me forever to find my original in-line post.) Thanks for the response!
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It may be a Firewall issue on the computer that is running MC. I'm guessing here, but if you didn't explicitly open the inbound port in the Windows firewall (or any third-party firewall) and are relying on uPNP to open the port, I can see it shutting the port down until it sees some kind of activity from the application locally.
Try disabling the software firewall entirely and see if the issue goes away. If so, post back and I can tell you how to open the port.
All my other guesses would be something to do with how your WiFi network is set up, or how quickly the iPad connects to the WiFi network. I can confirm that I don't see anything similar, but I have a pretty fancy network (and can access my main server even over the Internet, so ymmv).
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Any sign of an update coming soon?
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Probably not soon. LesPaul is coming to Minnesota this week for a JRiver visit.
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It may be a Firewall issue on the computer that is running MC. I'm guessing here, but if you didn't explicitly open the inbound port in the Windows firewall (or any third-party firewall) and are relying on uPNP to open the port, I can see it shutting the port down until it sees some kind of activity from the application locally.
Try disabling the software firewall entirely and see if the issue goes away. If so, post back and I can tell you how to open the port.
All my other guesses would be something to do with how your WiFi network is set up, or how quickly the iPad connects to the WiFi network. I can confirm that I don't see anything similar, but I have a pretty fancy network (and can access my main server even over the Internet, so ymmv).
Thanks I'll give it a shot. I'll disable the firewall and do some testing. If it helps and I can't figure out how to open that port, I'll request assistance. Take care.
UPDATE: Glynor, I disabled the software firewall and things are working well. I was unable to figure out exactly what to do to open the specific port that MC needs but was able to see that MC19 had entries in the firewall setup. There was also something called MC Extenders with an entry but neither the home/work or the public tick boxes were checked.
Please help with opening the specific port necessary. Thanks in advance!
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No problem. I can write it up tomorrow. Can't tonight because delicious beer (http://www.thepulsemag.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/gritty-mcduff-pic-copy.jpg). Also somewhat sleepy.
I think I did it before though, actually. Might want to search interact for only my posts and something like port firewall or something.
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Hi Glynor,
I trust the beer was good. I did a search and found something that Bob did in another post:
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Windows Firewall
Advanced Settings
Inbound Rules->Right Click->New Rule
Select port
Click next
Choose TCP
Specfic local port: put in port 52199 (or whatever port you are using in MC's Media Network Settings)
Click Next
Allow the connection
Click Next
Make sure Domain, Public and Private are checked
Click Next
Put in a name that you like
Click done.
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I made a new rule for port 52199 and will see how it works out. Thanks again for the pointers!
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6233638, I have thought about the design, including your comments this last month.
The next version will make more use of the tint color in popups and other secondary views.
The iPhone version will use a blue header with white icons for the default theme.
Small design changes will probably be introduced in every version.
It won't be too long before I release the next version. There are a few more issues I want to look at, as well as optimizing the resizable covers a bit.
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Thanks for the update.
For what it's worth, I've been doing some skinning of Media Center myself recently, and I'm much more aware of how big a job something like this is.
It's easy to mock-up a "finished" screen, but drawing each part, and making sure it's pixel-perfect takes much longer.
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Guys, I am locking this thread.
Please use the new Remotes board for future posts regarding JRemote or any other remotes related to JRiver.
http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?board=37.0 (http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?board=37.0)