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Title: Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: Matt on December 06, 2003, 01:13:43 am
Several regularly happy & helpful users have been a little sour the last few days since we announced we're going to start working on version 10.

Understandably people want a roadmap of what's to come before buying or latching onto the beta.  It's not something we can offer yet -- partly because it's not set in stone.

However, I can say that we work hard to implement the things people would like to see in MC.

Really you should be telling us what you want in MC 10 instead of asking us what you'll get.  

So here's your chance.  Only list the two or three things you think are the most important.  Try to be somewhat specific.
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: Matt on December 06, 2003, 01:26:13 am
I'll start.

Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: jakobluck on December 06, 2003, 01:26:18 am
Full support for MKV (Matroska) and OGM container formats
"Copy all to clipboard" tool for statistics, like in the old Media Jukebox


edit: Ooh, some kind of automatic synchronization tool in regards to posting playlists on the web. Specifiy an ftp address, login/password, and it automatically uploads the chosen playlist to the web.
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: PhatPhreddy on December 06, 2003, 02:54:16 am
Hairstyle to be improved to the level of Music Lobby or other similar TV only front ends.

HairStyle to be created as a network node solution so that is can control a host PC from a TabletPC or other thin client type.  Also change HairStyle's name.. It was a nice inside joke but no one else knows that.

The sync all zones (all music to be played on all zones in perfect time) to be fixed.  As another way of attacking this consider one master 'server' streaming to multiple PC nodes in sync (then I could use NorhTec silent server fanless, low power, palm sized PC's, in each output zone) controllable via Hairstyle of course... If you fixed this it would be the best multi zone solution as this is now being worked out with WinAmp and a front end.  

Offer a solution where you can remove everything but audio... I dont want or need anything else.
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: Mirko on December 06, 2003, 03:03:47 am
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: hit_ny on December 06, 2003, 03:10:00 am
CUE/APL like functionality for mp3s.

This IMO is a major shortcoming of the audio section of MC. Its been asked for ages..

What are the possibilities here Matt ?
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: Marko on December 06, 2003, 03:29:34 am
1. XP multi user support.
Move the data directory into the ...\documents and settings\[username]\ path allowing us to have our own libraries and settings. Possibly, also allow media server to share each users library, on different ports obviously. Media server runs as xp service?

2. When burning files in the library to data disc, give us the option of having these files automatically flagged as archived.

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Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: kiwi on December 06, 2003, 03:52:18 am

That's just what I was thinking... now it's time for bed.  Will think of more later.

kiwi
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: DJ_Hazelwood on December 06, 2003, 03:53:02 am
1) Possibility to define own categories for the library-fields (and use them in the 'fields to show'-selection)

2) Possibility to change the fade-times dynamically (via SDK) without stopping playback

3) More commands available in the internal remote-control-system (like rating, minimize, maximize ...)
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: jleerigby on December 06, 2003, 04:01:31 am
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I'd like a list style that showed large album covers with the tracks next to them in details mode so I could double-click on a certain file.  I like the usability of details, but I love album grouping and those big pictures.

I think the problem here is that many of us like to view album based view schemes in album thumbnails mode but we want to view the tracks in a single album without having to change to detials view.  I would like to keep album thumbnails almost as it is now but make it automatically change when a single album is selected in the list.  At this point it would change to a large thumbnail on the left with the list of tracks on the right.  (I can see a few performance and usability issues here but you see what I mean.)

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I'm not smart enough for sticky views.  I want one view for images, one for audio, and one for video.  It's easier on me to switch settings again than to have things keep switching and to have to keep adding some column to every new view I go to.  I know I'm alone on this around here.
I too would like to see some work done on columns in view.  I need more than 1 view for audio as different view schemes will show different columns.  I'd like to be able to set the columns in view and save it with a name. The saved views would be included in the library backup.

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I spent 20 minutes explaining "Artist", "Album Artist" and "Album Artist (auto)" to a fellow programmer the other day.  If that doesn't tell you something is wrong, I don't know what does.  Still, I love having my mix albums auto-magically grouped so that when I browse the artist list for an artist to play it's not a mess.
I sympathise with this too but please don't be too drastic as we all know that, despite how confusing it can be, it does work a treat the way it is.

P.s. You'll be glad to know that not all of us have turned sour.  I'm really thankful that work on v10 has started and I'm happy to pay for it.  I'd say keep up the great work but I know I don't need to - you always do great work!
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: kiwi on December 06, 2003, 04:07:48 am
Oh, one more thing.  I'd love to be able to include more than one image with a file.  i.e. both front, back and inside of CDs.
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: wonmug on December 06, 2003, 04:30:38 am
My main wishes are for simple features found in the free software, QCD.
In addition, I'd like a better interface for queuing up files for burning, more like Nero.
But I must say, these are really things I would appreciate in Ver. 9 and don't see as needing a new version to implement.
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: AndyCircuit on December 06, 2003, 06:45:14 am
#1. Multi-Langual MC or the possibility to create it by ourselfs.(Not just the extrem limited Ressource.XML)
#2. Multi-Zone with seperate volume and sync (see PhatPhreddy)
#3. Improved Hairstyle (combined with #2)
#4. An wizzard to create view/playlists for the average users. (easy to use as possible so I don't have to train them in database techniques) Depends also to #1

Example: If my wife (barly speaking english) is able to create a list of images with son [Stephan] and [xmas] and from [1999 to 2002] and then send them to wherever she want without calling me from my couch three times...... then you're on the right way ( and I can relax a little bit more   ;D  )

This are my needs to spread MC more commercial here

AC
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: Mastiff on December 06, 2003, 07:06:48 am
1. The ability to send playlists to any given zone, not just the active zone.
Then I don't have to change to the zone the IR remote initiated play list is going to and wait for the change before playing.
2. The ability to automatically assign numbers to albums, so they can be printed out and called from an IR remote. It's a pain in the a** to have to do this manually.
3. Multi-zone sync
 
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: retrospek on December 06, 2003, 08:39:04 am
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE improve the radio part of MC as I think this area is now letting this product down...
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: skeeterfood on December 06, 2003, 09:07:48 am
1) Make MC work with "Offline Synchronized files".  I use WinXP's synchronize feature to synchronize all my music to my laptop, so I can take it to work.  Currently, I can't make any tag changes on the laptop at work because MC can't write to an "Offline Synchronized File".  The My Computer tree also has issues working with them and so does the Tag info Action Window view.  Or alternatively, give me an easy way to synchronized my whole library, including music and coverart between machines within MC.

2) When converting audio using MC add an option to use the replaygain settings when decoding so that I can convert my .mpc files for use on my .mp3 portable that doesn't support replaygain.

3) A screensaver type feature for Hairstyle that switches to a selected full-screen visualization after a configurable period of activity.  Oh, and some cool new visualizations to use for this :)

-John
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: RobOK on December 06, 2003, 09:22:44 am
great thread, i like the more positive outlook.  I am very happy with JRiver and the money i have spent to date.  I think this forum is outstanding and represents a level of interaction that is rarely seen.  I do also think that very benefit sets very high (and unreasonable) expectations on end users.  Many seem to expect all features requested to magically show up, when in reality there needs to be a lot of prioritizing and choices made by designers and developers.

Having said all that, please implement MY ideas first!!!

1)  ability to load PhatBox with music.  Search on PhatBox to see my other posts.  I would pay $15 dollars to have someone build this for me.

2)  I have never really gotten into the swing of photos.  More work on the usability of this.  I really want saved slideshows.  In my mind a Slide show is the combination of a set of songs and a set of pictures that play together.  I think I can do this now, but it maybe I just dont know how?  You have to start music first then start pictures or something???

3) ability to stream number 2 above to Tivo.  That might be a Tivo limitation.

4) I have no idea what Hairstyle is or how to make it work on my TV.  I guess that requires an upgrade to my brain.  Recommend you rename it and get some documentation that steps people through how to get it working.  That may exist, have not looked too hard.

5) A photo list style that shows one thumbnail per row and details off to the right, including an Album drop down or selection and a rating.  I want to be able to work in a thumbnail list.

6) nail the iPod integration.  Reverse engineering some Apple state-secrets will be goodness.  Not sure if that is done yet.  (i.e. Dynamic play lists).

7)  Simplify menu structure --  there are some choices out there that i have no idea what they are MusicEx, Download Manager, Windows Media Manager -- I know they are under advanced, but I just have no idea what they are.

I guess I am an intermediate user, and i always feel there is a lot more I *Could* do if only I knew how.  I think a new Forum section should be opened for things that are specific to learning how to use the product.  The forum is so crowded with bug fixes and feature requests.  That would help A LOT, to just ask questions about how to get the most out of the product, share SmartList ideas, help on implementing HairStyle.


Will work with photos more today, maybe have some new ideas.


Thanks,
Rob.

Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: sdgrizdan on December 06, 2003, 09:23:16 am
VCD Support  ;D
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: jpd5862 on December 06, 2003, 09:24:41 am
1. True support for client / server.  I would like to either be able to rip new CD's & set ratings in MC Client; or to be able to have a single library shared between two MC instances with no worry of database corruption due to multiple accesses / writes.
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: Cmagic on December 06, 2003, 09:24:58 am
Hi Matt,

As for me I 'm quite happy with what I already have in 9.1 but, well, if you really want to make me happier I'd like :

*Tag Hierarchy as you already said  : "Some sort of nesting or similar in list-type fields would make organizing my images with people, places, and events easier."

*Ability to rename destination directories and rename files when acquiring images (possibly based on EXIF data)

*A better interface for column visibility selection, well , you said in another thread that you'll be working on this.

Thanks.

We all know you are working hard at JRiver to make a better product. Don't worry, Matt, I don't know of a better place on the web (except maybe Monkey's audio ;) )

Have a nice day.

Christian
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: dragyn on December 06, 2003, 09:39:56 am
The file system is the biggest down fall for me but I don't think that will be changed.

As for other things, I would like MC to remember each view entirely...image size, splitter position, etc.
A longer search bar.
More customizing instead of all being hard coded. Like the presets for example.

Ability to hide the Action Window, Player window (compact), etc. More space for the actual files instead of all the extras. There's a lot more space in MJ8 for files than in MC.

and to keep everything consistent. 9.1 is not.
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: Doof on December 06, 2003, 09:47:20 am
CUE Sheet creation & support when ripping.
Album Gain.
Ability to create our own shortcut toolbar buttons to take us to various tree nodes.
An Outlook type navigation where we can navigate MC using an Outlook bar (would be a perfect place for those shortcuts I mentioned), the tree, or both. (both would be hideable)
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: Squanderbug on December 06, 2003, 09:53:33 am
I'd like tosee an improvement in the visualisations. They aren't a patch on iTunes.

In particular, I'd like a smoother transition when cycling between visualisations, and smoother running in full screen mode on high quality.
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: parannoya on December 06, 2003, 09:53:56 am
My needs are simple.  I am not in the software or computer business.  I am just an ordinary guy who likes digital audio-music and spoken word.

My needs are simple.
1. Easy to use. Intuitive, logical interface.
2. Stable and bug free, and works correctly.
3. Ability to import all of my various types of files, MP3, WMA, Audible, AAC and AAC protected into the library quickly and easily with all tags in order.
4.  Ability to transfer any and all of the above files to my iPod.
5.  No hassles, bugs, or any reason to need support. I expect a product that I pay for to work and be final, not to have to download beta after beta.
6. Make my life easier.
7. To not have to pay again for MC10, when I don't think I ever got a satisfactory product in MC9.
8.  Other than that, maybe dancing girls in bikini's for visualizations?

I gave up on the above for MC9.1 and went back to iTunes.  There are a lot of things I like better in Media Center in theory, it just has too many little problems, and like others have said, never seems to be quite finished

Thanks for asking.
:P






Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: Rizlaw on December 06, 2003, 09:54:45 am
My wish list for version 10:

1. As an advanced PC user, I love the flexibility and control offered by 9.1.316, but I don't like the fact that much of this flexibility and control is at the cost of intuitiveness. Version 10 should be much more intuitive so that "newbies" and reasonably intelligent people can use all of the powerful features without having to refer to help files and forum support. Perhaps a few "wizards" that can be turned and and off would be helpful for some of the more esoteric functions like creating smartlist searches and new views, to name but two.

2. As an owner and user of Cinemar's beautiful MainLobby/MusicLobby/DVDLobby software, I sure would like to see MC's Hairstyle (a poor name to describe its function) get some serious updating so that it works more like MusicLobby.

3. DVD playback on a par with TheaterTek's DVD Software player and DVDLobby Pro 3 with MLServer type database for cataloging your DVD collection.

As has been been said by others in this thread, it would be great to have one piece of software that installs as easily as MC, and reliably performs all of the functions necessary for a HTPC. I would add that it would be even better if MC 10 would have a HTPC mode (I wouldn't call it 'Hairstyle') that has the beauty,simplicity (user interface) and functionality of Cinemar's add-on software, but at a more manageable price for those who are unwilling or unable to shell out over $200+ for Cinemar's great suite of products.



Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: Thunderbird1 on December 06, 2003, 10:17:02 am
Dear Santa:

I believe most of these have been covered, but I'd like to add my two cents:

1) Ability to sync/import media from multiple, user defined folders and being able to do this per library. Using playlists has been mentioned as a workaround, but I don't want to have thousands of songs in my library database I'll never listen to (we're a multi-user, multi-iPod family).

2) More seamless support (it's not important if it's native or if you use QT 6.1 as an engine) for .m4p, m4a, and any other AAC type format. This would include tag reading. Right now, I've stopped using MC for iPod syncing because of the ongoing issues, though I still use it for all other types of music handling/listening. I would like to stop using iTunes for everything but buying music.

3) Enhanced radio support.

Matt, thanks for asking and, as other people have said, I love MC. I'm just a little down about the iPod situation. I know Apple is not being cooperative, but I know (uhhhh...at risk of sounding sycophantic) you, Steve and the rest of the folks at J River are working you @$$es off to deliver.  :)
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: Polonio on December 06, 2003, 10:49:41 am
•   I would like to switch between album thumbnails and details view in just ONE click.
•   I would like to have a button for each and every tool. I don’t understand why I still don’t have a button to “Rename from properties”, “Fill properties from name”, “Fill track nb. From order list”, etc. I do not want deep right-clicks for tools I use on daily basis.  
•   I would like to switch between panel view and tree view in just ONE click
•   I would like to see an album detailed view (album name, album artist, album duration, album year, nb, of tracks, size, album genre, album path, …). It would be great we could tag from this album detailed view. “Album Artist”, “Album duration”, “Album year” and so on, should auto calculate just like “Album Artist (auto)” does now.
•    I would like to see a better cover art management. Right now, cover art (folder.jpg) stays in the old folder when renaming files from properties.
•   A better interface for column visibility selection
•   I would not like to see actual AW anymore.
•   I would like the other design some one proposed (k…), similar to AW but with details on the view, and organized via tabs. TABS!!
•   I would like the tree just for tag browsing (schemes), but I would like big colorful tabs for switching between scenarios (playing now, media library, etc.)
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: Polonio on December 06, 2003, 10:55:16 am
And I would like MC9 could coexist with MC10 betas. I don't want live the next 3 months with a buggy product. I want to test it, analyse it, and make suggestions. But I also need to play and organize music confidently with the product I paid for.
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: lee269 on December 06, 2003, 11:11:52 am
Wow, v10. I turn my back for a couple of days and look what happens...

Generally Im with Rizlaw on the intuitive thing. The features are basically there for what I use MC for, audio-wise particularly. Id like to see a bit more hand-holding at the bottom end of the MC learning curve. Anyway heres a few top-of-the-head things.

1. A 'proper' wizard or similarly easy way to create view schemes and playlists for new users.

2. The ability to concatenate and nest searches.

3. A calendar view for images.

4. More varied templates and options for creating web pges of images to upload.

5. Print support for images.

Thanks for asking.
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: wickesy on December 06, 2003, 11:28:19 am
I would like to see:

Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: crowfan on December 06, 2003, 11:36:27 am
To me the most inmportant thing is the ease of use. I consider myself a relatively advanced user, and it took me a while to find some of the features. I think buttons/toolbars would go a long way here. I think right click should be a supplemental shortcut type tool and should not be the only way to do something. One-click (i.e. buttons) is the best IMO. And customizable, so we could have only the buttons we want.

I like Doof's idea of Outlook-style navigation. Maybe like Outlook 2003, with the navigation on the left?  I think that's great - powerful yet intuitive. The Media Mode idea is the beginnings of this, but I think those small buttons get lost (I know that this is a work in progress and you may already be thinking about moving them), but since it's the main part of your program, I think it should be front and center a little more.

The other thing I would like is the ability to have a Y/N "checkbox" field type for the database.

And album gain  :)

crow

PS. Personally, I was excited to see development start on v10, I was surprised to see so much negativity and annoyance over it!  But as someone else said, kudos to Matt (I think it was) for starting this thread and turning a negative into a positive.
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: Eiffel on December 06, 2003, 12:05:30 pm
Matt, thanks for 'turning the tables'

Many very good ideas have been expressed here. As I see it, they fall into two or three categories:

1. Bug fixes and minor enhancements (which should be part of the ongoing support for V9.1 - Even microsoft releases usability/bug fix patches!)
2. New features and significant improvments on what is already there (what I was expecting for 9.2, etc.)
3. New paradigms truely worthy of a new version/product

I'm mostly interested in 1. and 2., as 3. is something that JRiver should surprise us with, and probably can't tell us much about.

In category 2, the main things I'd like to see are:

a. Significant polis, usability and flexibility enhancements to Hairstyle (many people, including 'J6P' have seen MCE, myHTPC, *Lobbies, etc... and hairstyle is really not in the same league)

b. Better zone support (mostly, synchronized playback... ideally with adjustable delays between zones to cancel echoes in some cases..., without forgetting about the corresponding SDK)

c. Usability improvements for slideshows (I would like to be able to define a slick looking slideshow which would take advantage of MC's audio capabilities, tagging, playtlists, etc. all with a relatively intuitive interface)

d. Better support for classical music (which would include more relevant tagging options, or ways to customize views/tools to accomodate the required changes, and the ability to switch libraries via command line, or the SDK)

I don't see myself using MC9 for much beyond music and still photography. Theatertek is an excellent product for DVD playback, which goes way beyond the basic (customizable aspect ratios by disk, strong command line support, ffdshow, etc.), and I don't think that MC9 will take care of my needs for HDTV, or even analog TV (the EPG is really not there)

I am very likely to support the MC10 development, mostly because I want to give you guys a chance to improve on where we are, and because it is tough to fight against the likes of Microsoft, in a fast evolving market.
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: a2hoo on December 06, 2003, 12:11:01 pm
3 things:
1)Better album thumbnail support (to navigate to track list and back without having to read 50 items on the menu to get there)
2)AAC tag support
3)Automatic album art download (Winamp 5 does this.. it loads up album art from web when you play a track)

Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: sraymond on December 06, 2003, 12:39:54 pm
Here are just a few...  there are *many* more where they came from.

Scott-
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: tjobbins on December 06, 2003, 12:41:42 pm
I have rather more than 2, but I thought I'd dump them all down - they're in priority order.

With points 3 (a,b,c etc) I am basically trying to get MC to be fully customisable - in the style of say Word, where you can write macros, assign them to toolbar icons, and have complete control of any functionality.  Even if MC couldn't support full macros/scripting, just being able to customise all toolbars and the AW, putting any command on them, would be a great start.  
 
1. Support for Winamp visualisation plugins.  That's the only thing I really miss since I became a MC convert - the visualisations in Winamp (particularly Milkdrop) were superb.  Sometimes when I have parties I still use winamp to play music, just so we can get cool vis on my TV.

2. Being able to apply a sort to a view list.  For example,  my Audio tree has two columns: Album Artist (auto), Album.  I want Artist to be sorted alphabetically as it is currently, but then I want Album sorted by Date - i.e. I want all albums by a particular artist to appear in chronological order, not alphabetically.

3. More customisation on toolbars/menus.  I frequently use the commands 'Move/Copy Disk File' and 'Fill track Numbers From List Order', but can see no way to get these on a toolbar.  Plus it would be great to customise the right click menu - it's cool that the last used command always appears at the top of this menu, but it'd be even better to be able to choose what commands would always appear on this menu (or appear there based on context)

3a. Be able to customise the Action window, putting links to individual trees/playlists/drives/etc - i.e. I want the AW to work kind of like the Outlook taskbar, where I can put a shortcut to anything.

3b. Have complete control over the MC left pane (sorry don't know the proper name  ), e.g. so that I could have just three entries:  Audio, Video, My Computer.  Audio and Video being tree views - i.e. I want them to appear on their own, not under Media Library.  Other items, e.g. TV Tuner, I would want to hide completely.

3c. Be able to customise keyboard shortcuts, assigning a key combo to any command.  Plus add mouse shortcuts - e.g. I could assign a command to a click of the middle mouse button, and/or reassign mouse buttons 4 and 5 on the Intellimouse away from back/forward to something else.

3d. Be able to write/record macros, and assign them to toolbar icons or keyboard shortcuts.  The ultimate option here would be a mini programming or scripting language - e.g. I can call a function called TagFilesFromFilename, passing in a parameter of "[Album] - [Artist]", and it would do it without prompting me for any input.

4. An extra 'Fill Track Numbers From List Order' option - 'Start At X'.  so that the first track number in the highlighted list is set to X and the rest of the list is incremented from that (useful when joining multi-CD albums into one big album)

5. A FLAC decoder

6. Be able to rip more than one CD at once

7. Be able to use the MC user interface whilst synchronising with a handheld - currently when I sync with my iPod, I cannot minimise the sync window like I can with rip/burn/other windows, so I cannot continue to use MC.  MC does keep playing, and can be controlled via the web interface, so I guess it's just the UI that's locked.

8. When using Multi-zones, be able to swap Playing Now between zones and synchronise between zones.  Sometimes I queue up a load of files to play on my Zone 2, then I want to go into another room (zone 1) and keep listening to those same songs.  Would be great to have be able to select a bunch of files and:  Add To Zone X Playing Now, Replace Zone X Playing Now, etc.

9. Option in Media Server to control the format and bandwidth it uses - all of my library is in APE format, and it is impractical to stream this across the net.  It would be great to be able to on-the-fly convert to MP3 at a bitrate of my choice.

10. An alternative Media Server mode that allows the client to control the server - the client MC basically becomes a remote control, changing what the server is playing.

11. Synchronise two libraries - this would compare two libraries, and copy/update files such that they both end up identical.  Would need conflict management - if one file updated in both libraries, choose which update to keep.  I keep a backup of my library on another HD, and periodically I install that HD so I can renew the backup.  Currently I have to either work out what has changed and copy those files (laborious and often miss stuff), or nuke the backup and recopy (takes several hours)
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: kwake on December 06, 2003, 12:57:31 pm
Hi, thanks for asking.

1) A-B Loop

2) Support for Pinnacle PCTV (or a generic) Serial Port remote control (without the need for Girder).

Thanks,
Kwake
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: mickjp on December 06, 2003, 01:31:00 pm
Update Hairstyle mode to make it easier to use with a Remote - remove some of the layers for track selection, etc.

Share libraries and p laylists with two computers, or at least be able to synch.
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: Markeau on December 06, 2003, 02:51:02 pm
1) Ability to easily swap or Send-To items between Zones
2) When a track set is too long for a cda burn, have the ability to automatically fade out the last track that will fit.
3) When editing an mp3 in Media Editor, somehow be able to keep the tags that were on the original mp3
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: bvm on December 06, 2003, 04:35:19 pm
Following your request to stick to 3 items, I'd want

1. Dynamic playlists on iPod.

2. Ability to rip multiple CD tracks as one.

3. Ability to update my tags by importing an edited version of an exported playlist (so that I can more easily make mass changes).

Perhaps it's unimaginative of me that two of these are areas I immediately noticed iTunes surpassing MC (the third being iTunes Radio, but I hope you already know how badly you fall behind there).  I have other wishes (e.g., album gain), but these three would make the biggest difference to me.
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: AussieBill on December 06, 2003, 04:45:53 pm
First of all: as Steve Balmer would say " I LOVE THIS COMPANY, YEAH!"

I will be paying the $10 for the upgrade, (I think thats the price if we upgrade early!)

All I want is Hairstyle to be fully customizable (content, structure and presentation), and look as good as Media Center 2004 or myHTPC, that should be the goal.

In that way, you already have the world's best cataloger, organizer tagger, player, but you'll also have the best full screen nav mode for HTPC people like me.

Thanks guys, I appreciate your work and that you are listening.
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: salsbst1 on December 06, 2003, 06:16:30 pm
Thanks for asking, Matt.  I think these are repeats from above but I'll say them again anyway (in no particular order):

a) Hairstyle improvements, particularly to make it easier to operate and locate things with an IR remote via Girder

b) read/write client/server support.  I'm in a real quandary as to which machine on which to host the "server" since it would naturally be my HTPC, but I need to be able to edit the database from my workstation

c) album-based replay gain

) digital room/speaker correction during playback (multichannel would be great!)
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: Philethius on December 06, 2003, 07:29:39 pm
Not sure if this would be helpful...

Sometimes it's nice to modularize the functionality.  MC 9.1 is a big beast.  If people don't want certain aspects, maybe it's better to perhaps pull out unwanted features.  

Not sure where this would lead, however, and it might raise questions about pricing.
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: phelt on December 06, 2003, 07:52:29 pm
-Full cue sheet support for mp3 including editing. If free apps can do it, a $40 app probably should too.
-Burner queueing. MMJB has had this so long it's embarassing.
-Simultaneous rip and encode. Seriously...
-ReplayGain implemented properly - 89db target and album gain support. The way that everyone including the developer says that it should be.
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: LonWar on December 06, 2003, 09:27:27 pm
Well I only really have 2 things that I would love to see.

1.  The eq in the action window... Or a mega skin that I can use an eq from.

2. Better Handheld support... I really hate to compare programs but Creative Media Source.. Does this very well..

When using MC9 or xx with a handheld it keeps haveing to rescan all of the tracks. This is very annoying and time consuming. I would also like to be able to play music on my nomad back through mc...

Well that's mine, If you want more specifics let me know and I'll be happy to put it together.
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: Charlemagne 8 on December 06, 2003, 09:45:29 pm
I'm too lazy to read all of the above posts so forgive me if I repeat something that's been said ...
1. The ability to burn one CD to one track for those albums without pauses like Parts of Abbey Road and In Search of the Lost Chord.
2. A way to build an automated task list for those tasks that you perform to every rip and/or conversion. A Smartlist for Library Tools.

CVIII
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: graham131 on December 07, 2003, 04:57:15 am
And I would like MC9 could coexist with MC10 betas. I don't want live the next 3 months with a buggy product. I want to test it, analyse it, and make suggestions. But I also need to play and organize music confidently with the product I paid for.

1 - This would be great as it would give us the chance to evaluate (with out paying for for 30 days).  Also as Polonio says the software is (of course) going to be buggy for a while.  It is after all beta!

2 - Pane resizing

3 - Album Replay Gain

4 - A half price limited period upgrade path for us loyal V8 license holders

5 - Pane resizing.

6 - Pane resizing (Have you guessed yet that i would like this!)

Thanks for the chance to contribute to this Matt.

Graham
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: Ce.D on December 07, 2003, 05:29:04 am
1. "Re-rip" feature; something like:

http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?board=3;action=display;threadid=16046

2. Programmable playlist/slideshow

http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?board=3;action=display;threadid=16666;start=msg114268#msg114268

3. Rating through remote control

4a. A genuine "web stations" section with better format/bitrate support
4b. Allowing user's local/non-shared customization (I haven't figured out yet how to save my own radio links in MC. I might be dumb though...)
4c. Basically, forcing users to share their radio links in order to populate an extensive radio stations list is a good idea... but look at the mess you got there now... not mentioning links being updated to match one's desires and upsetiting the others (seeing one my favorites "highjacked" from RAM 96k to not-working-on-my-system WMV pretty upset me...)

OT. Funny, no one mentioned music downloads... I might not be that old-fashioned ! ;D (cf. this thread's originating discussion: "What to expect with version 10?")
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: Sam on December 07, 2003, 11:31:10 am
I guess you feel compelled to add more technical features in every new version.  However, my preference would be a focus on usability.

Here are my suggestions:

1.  Tree-less navigation bar (except for within view schemes) - so I can switch to any view with one click.  View schemes, playlists, and devices could be at the top level, if desired.


2.  Customizable Toolbar with an icon for every action and tool - so I can do much more with one click.
Polonio
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•   I would like to have a button for each and every tool. I don’t understand why I still don’t have a button to “Rename from properties”, “Fill properties from name”, “Fill track nb. From order list”, etc. I do not want deep right-clicks for tools I use on daily basis.


3.  Tabs - so I can hide all the icons and menu items that are not relevant to me.  Could be: Audio, Video, Images, iPod, CDs, DVDs, Radio, etc.


4.  Knickelfarz's version of the action window - as mentioned by Polonio.


5.  Forum for how people use MC
RobOK
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I guess I am an intermediate user, and i always feel there is a lot more I *Could* do if only I knew how.  I think a new Forum section should be opened for things that are specific to learning how to use the product.  The forum is so crowded with bug fixes and feature requests.  That would help A LOT, to just ask questions about how to get the most out of the product, share SmartList ideas, help on implementing HairStyle.
Ditto.


6.  Playlist sharing online with other users - because I need help in creating playlists.
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: dylanstan on December 07, 2003, 12:15:19 pm
I'll start.

  • I'd like a list style that showed large album covers with the tracks next to them in details mode so I could double-click on a certain file.  I like the usability of details, but I love album grouping and those big pictures.
Please, please, please!!!!
My question, i'm using v10 right now, but it didn't seem that i'm able to do this. Am i losing something, or has to be developed yet?.
I'll prefer select what music (and songs) to play while see the covers, and the impossibility of select single songs make harder to use the Album View, so i've to change the view from one view to another. Of course, after some changes i stay in the details view  :'(.

Some more things for v10?
*What about Overburning possibilities?

I've seen people requesting a guide to make playlists and smartlists. What about a pinned message in the forum where people can post theirs, or what about some webspace where people can up screenshots showing how they work with MC. I'm sure that there's people out there with very well organized libraries that could be really useful for the ones with not so well organized libraries as you can see what other people do and can imagine for yourself how to do it. I know that it's nothing to do with media center as software, but, won't help to people to use it better? I suppose that webspace is a problem but you could keep only the ones that seem really helpfull. (I know that i'm not explainig it well, but someone could explain it a bit better)
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: NoCodeUK on December 07, 2003, 04:18:32 pm
Been away for a while for various reasons (I was in a show, then moved house and currently don't have proper PC access).  I LOVE version 10.  I cannot understand why anyone would be unhappy that you guys were moving onto a new version...9.1 is an incredibly stable and robust product and you probably feel you have gone as far as you can without making any more major changes...I say fair play to you.  As soon as there is a payment option for the upgrade my cheque will be in the post ;D

As for feature requests for the new version most of what I would like has already been mentioned...I like the idea of a details view showing album cover and individual track details but would like it as an extra view to what we have not instead of what we have...A-B Loop function but combined with a tempo control - would be fantastic for learning those difficult guitar riffs and solos (currently have to use - SHOCK HORROR!! - Winamp for this!)...More control over fades so that we can do more accurate DJ mixes, maybe combined with zones so that one 'zone' could be used to monitor the next track and set cue points etc...

Thats about it...my only other requests would be similar to those mentioned by others for usability purposes...improve the column selection tool with some kind of checkbox...add optional wizards for searches, smartlists and view scheme creation (don't allow this to remove the raw power we currently have)...

Apart from that...keep it up!!  This program rocks and you are the best support people I have ever come across...I cannot think of anyother company that would throw the next version open to the end users in this way nor who are so honest with their clients...

Adam

(One VERY happy customer ;D ;D)
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: gpvillamil on December 07, 2003, 06:54:57 pm
1) Hairstyle improvements. Either fix it or kill it. If you kill it, do the appropriate development work to make MC work seamlessly with myHTPC ie. if the MC installer finds myHTPC then set up to work with it. If you decide to fix it, make it quicker and easier to use with a remote. Re: quicker, make the thumbnails faster - currently unusable on a 2.6GHz Celeron. Re: easier, assign numeric shortcuts to every menu item - kind of like the menus on pay-per-view TV in a hotel. That way you can use the number keys on the remote for something. Oh, make sure there is an easy way to always see the currently playing song in Hairstyle. (Oh, and change the name :-) )

2) Smartlist editing. Like iTunes.

3) Visualizations. Like WinAMP (or at least the Geiss, Milkdrop, G-Force and Whitecap vis).

4) Action window to detach as window again - I need it to be able to look at long file path/names in their entirety.
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: Valissystem on December 07, 2003, 11:22:12 pm
So for me rather than asking for specifics, I'd like to talk about "architectural" things.

The extensibility of the database fields etc. is very good - this HAS to be kept. However what I suspect as the "flat" nature of the DB is causing some issues - the "Artist", "Album Artist", "Artist (Auto)" split is one example of this. The other is the handling of sorting, presentation etc. of names with "The ..." in them.

To solve this latter set of issues, I'd ideally like to see that a field (well at least a naming field) can have a "sorting" field related to the main one, so that "The Beatles" is only sorted on "Beatles, The" etc. however allowing me to use different prefixes for certain songs - so that a French song title can start with "Le..." instead of "The ...".  Having auto generation rules for this is fine, however it does need to be capable of being overidden in specific cases, to be able to apply different rules for specific names. So I'd also like to be able to sort "Bob Dylan" as "Dylan, Bob" but not touch "Pink Floyd" for instance.

Another area completely, is that I'd like to be able to specify certain file types for management though the database even if there is no input plugin to handle them, (perhaps with generic external tags as used sometimes with some media file types) such that an external program could be lauched to "play" files. This would at least give the advantages of the file management offered, to certain files other than those immediately supported.
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: JustinChase on December 07, 2003, 11:41:32 pm
I would like to see, in no particular order...
I know I was told to only list a few (sorry) and many of these have already been listed, but I just wanted to give you everything I could think of. I figure the more requests you get for any one feature (IMPROVE HAIRSTYLE) the more likely it is to get implemented first/early.

I really want MC to be the only program I need on my HTPC.  It seems to be getting closer to a reality.

I don't know how feesible it would be (expecially consideing the flack you might get for it from some people) but, maybe it's time to convert to a 'modular' program.  Some people would like to use it for DVD playback, others don't, some want a hairstyle interface, some don't, some use it for pictures/videos, others don't.  Maybe if I could buy MC for $25, and add the DVD module/codecs/filters for $20, and the picture viewer/editor for $15, but I don't feel I need the 'hairstyle' module for $20, then I don't have to buy that one.  Maybe the server side costs $30, and each client costs another $10?

Keep up the good work!
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: NoCodeUK on December 08, 2003, 03:48:23 am
I just thought of another one.  This was mentioned in the past and we were told it would become a v10 feature so count this as a reminder ;D  When using the action window to burn a CD it would be nice to be able to see the tracks sent to the AW in the AW like you can in the playing now view.  Once all tracks have been added then you click the continue button set the options and burn the CD.  I believe this would make MC possibly the simplest, most easy to use CD Burner then...Add to this the ability to create stand alone VCD/DVD slideshows which will play on a DVD player and it would be awesome...

Adam
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: JNKH on December 08, 2003, 06:17:07 am
hi,

My list of request for v10

a) True client server so that I can rate my library from my client.

b) Better CD burning- MC to split into different CDs if songs cannot fit into one audio CD.

c) The analyse device function is very long.  Hope that it can be faster

d) Faster way to enter album titles when it cannot be found.  MC able to take a list of titles out of the web instead of entering each entry 1 by 1 through cut and paste

e) Fix the forum backspace.  It is annoying.
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: JimH on December 08, 2003, 06:56:39 am
e) Fix the forum backspace.  It is annoying.
Please start a thread.  This may be your browser.  Try IE.
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: Madcow on December 08, 2003, 07:24:24 am
I would like to see:

- Album-based replay gain, together with the option to manually edit the replay gain value where appropriate;

- Dynamic playlist support for the iPod;

- The return of the legendary COW SKIN.  :D
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: MGD_King on December 08, 2003, 09:28:14 am
The things I would like to see most in version 10:

1. Ripping multiple tracks (or whole CD) as one file.
2. The ability to disable/customize the action window.
3. Better support for third party audio plugins.

That's all I can think of for now.  ;) I'm sure I'll come up with more. Thanks for asking Matt!!!!
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: Evander on December 08, 2003, 09:41:07 am
- I'd like to assign an image to any kind of file in my library, example: tv channels
- A special kind of plugin for hair style mode (or even an interface plug in)
- MC 10 could permit the addition or remotion of modules. I use MC to play my songs only, so, I'd need only this module. The program would be smaller and faster.

Evander - Brazil.
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: bennyd on December 08, 2003, 09:49:42 am
- Hairstyle more userfriendly (less steps to achieve something, like choosing subtitles for DVD)

- Copy CD as one track

- Dynamic crossfade (without stopping/starting track)

- Pre-listen function of tracks via second sound card (easier than Zones)
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: bjsolem on December 08, 2003, 10:53:15 am
This may be a step beyond the scope of MC but something like the capabilities of the Microsoft Photostory would be a cool enhancement of the slideshows in MC.

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/plus/dme/Photo.asp#photoseries

Good editorial describing using the product:

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,4149,1404041,00.asp

I don't think that MC should seriously try to recreate this app with all of it's syncrhonization with the music etc.

But maybe the ability to specify how to pan and zoom a slide would be a nice feature.  Also the ability to vary the lengths for each slide to be displayed, or specify by slide, would be nice.

I really am only thinking of a few more options beyond choosing the available transitions.  Anything more than that would be outside the scope of MC.  But slide shows are one of the hidden gems of MC.
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: pbreet on December 08, 2003, 01:29:01 pm
Thanks for asking Matt.

1.  Album Replay Gain
2.  Virtual Albums - the ability to have a single track appear in more than one album.  The tags can only be for one file, so the virtual use of the tracks would have to be tagged totally in the db, like wav files are today.
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: glynor on December 08, 2003, 02:14:07 pm
Thanks for asking Matt!

My few cents (in general order of importance to me):

1.  View Schemes - Some way to save the "Showing Columns", column order, sorting, filters, and all of those settings to a specific name and then easily recall them to apply to other lists and tree-views.  Also, I would prefer that these "settings" be stored inside the media library they apply to rather than the system registry, so that all clients/computers that access the Media Library in question see the same views (I'm pretty sure something like this is planned, but it causes me more aggrivation ...)

2.  Relating to above, ability to set my own "default view" which all newly created playlists, smartlists, and regular tree views show up in automatically UNLESS I specify otherwise (by setting it manually or picking another view).

3.  The ability to copy/paste or duplicate Smartlists, including the appropriate "view" information from above.  I often make a number of Smartlists that are almost exactly identical, but differ in one small respect.  It would be sweet to simply be able to duplicate and then edit the differences, rather than start from scratch.

4.  Kind of an anti-suggestion ... Don't mess with my tree-view.  I LOVE the easy way this works in MC.  I just hide the iTunes-style mess at the top and use the "populate tree" option.  Love it!

5.  I think going to the "Now Playing" in the tree view is counter-intuitive.  I hate to say it, but I think a separate window (ala-RealOne separated) would be better (that way I can quickly and easily switch from what is playing, to the "browser" to tweak the list drag-drop style, and then back again) using the windows task bar.  I realize that you can run the player/video window in "windowed mode", but the setting for this is counter-intuitive also - and the window is ugly.  I would prefer to see a sort of Mini-Me mode that is always open (which is the "player component") along with the Mega-Me mode (that acts like the browser component).

6.  If above is too radical of a code change, simply put a bigger icon at the top somewhere that says "Now Playing" really obviously.  I know there is an icon down under the tree-view, but it isn't super obvious to the un-initiated.
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: sertua on December 08, 2003, 03:52:22 pm
  • multidrive-support for ripping (parallel), asynchronious encoding (background-processing)
3) Enhanced radio support.

This would make me extremely happy.
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: red90 on December 08, 2003, 04:00:41 pm
Allow regular users access for at least playing music.  I know it has been discussed before.  I think you guys need a few teen age kids on your computers.  You'd soon realize that Power User privileges are not a ggod thing.

Yes, I've read the workarounds.  If you want this program to be popular with the "masses" you need to allow for User access like every other software program is doing.
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: Jaguu on December 08, 2003, 04:45:33 pm
For each view scheme the possibility to define which fields I want to display in this scheme and the sorting order and then propagate them to

- column view
- tag info

so that I have to deal inside a particular scheme only with those fields I want to use there.

We would also need to fiddle around less time to set column views according to our taste.

Example:

If I have a view scheme artworks I only want to deal there with a very limited subset of fields such as artist, name, period, year, gallery, country, paintstyle.

I want to deal with only those field in column view and also in tag info. No need to see all other fields for this particular scheme.
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: LisaRCT on December 08, 2003, 05:50:35 pm
A 'Presentation Module'
which can be included with a Slide Show onto a CD-R disc
so that it can be watched on a machine which does not have MC installed (like Powerpoint will do).
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: nila on December 09, 2003, 05:45:13 am
For me just off the top of my head:

Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: NickM on December 09, 2003, 07:56:57 am
Living with a non-technical family, I would like a Media Centre client to be able to run in protected mode with only access to a Hairstyle view – like a password protected party mode.  That way the other users won’t foul up the installation.

The web interface is little talked about.  It provides a simple control for a WiFi hand held that is far better than an IR remote.  So, some enhancements to the web interface that  will allow optimisation for a WiFi PDA.

A central database with primary user, secondary & read-only access.

And lastly, but not least, MC nreally needs to be the only application.  We shouldn’t have to use Girder, or any third party app to get the most from MC.
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: Eiffel on December 09, 2003, 09:43:37 am
How about a 'Convolver filter'? I'm eager to see if Digital Room Correction techniques will improve my system, but I would still like to use MC (rather than Foobar)
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: Rockinrob on December 09, 2003, 10:09:20 am
I would like to see an over-ride as to how a song starts/stops, and the next song begins.  Currently, I have a 4 sec smooth crossfade.  Most of the time that is great, but on certain songs, the very end gets truncated or overtaken by the incoming song.  

I would love it if I could do an over-ride to the global setting within an individual mp3, maybe inside the tag info.  Options might be: Gapless, Normal, slower/faster fade.  These options need to be on the lead-in and lead-out.

Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: CautionESPN on December 09, 2003, 10:24:45 am
Media Server support for audible, aac and itunes purchased songs.  The primary reason I purchased Media Center was for the TiVo HMO support.  I simply love the iTunes music store and I love AAC (much better sounding than mp3, and saves a ton of space on my ipod).

Finally dynamic playlists for the ipod.
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: Absurrrd on December 09, 2003, 11:05:21 pm
Greetings and felicitations,
My request is simple.... DSP and DFX for video. A plugin for my Christmas tree lights would be great too.
It seems like a lot of fellow customers have been getting worked up and complaining recently. I just don't get it. This is a software program. I think it's a brilliant one. But it's just a program not a life altering commitment . I think you guys are doing a great job. Your prices are fair and reasonable. I have a version 8 and I don't have a problem paying full price for number 10. I'd like to wish  all you folks at J River a merry Christmas and say that all your hard work is very much appreciated.  and does not go unnoticed.
                            A fully satisfied Customer.
                                 Chris 8)
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: Lynn on December 09, 2003, 11:37:13 pm
On the fly replay gain.
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: juggler on December 10, 2003, 02:24:17 am
I love MC9.1 and it's almost perfect for managing photos as well as music...

We organise photos in a particular way, namely in directories "YYYY-MM-DD, Description". The "Fill properties from filename" allows me to very neatly populate the date and event fields from the directory names. However, I'd like two enhancements in this area:

- Auto import/sync in background (maybe this is already there?)

- Auto populate fields from filename for certain directories / media types. Obviously this would need to be quite configurable to avoid updating the wrong files

- Oh, and one last one - image recognition so MC will categorise photos of people automatically (joking!)

Thanks.
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: juggler on December 10, 2003, 02:34:30 am
Understandably people want a roadmap of what's to come before buying or latching onto the beta.  It's not something we can offer yet -- partly because it's not set in stone.

My only question is really what will warrant it being a major version release rather than a simple point release -- you must have some idea. At the moment it looks like 10 is a simple branch of the 9.1 codebase, which make it a little odd to charge people to upgrade for the beta (which is essentially the same as what they've got right now). I may have misunderstood though as I haven't upgraded :D
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: Tolga on December 10, 2003, 04:53:06 am
Same music in all rooms (c)

streaming Music towards multiple computers that use the same server library. One solution is to enable URL streaming on the server side, and Web Media access in the client side.


Improve server speed

The client is slow to show thumbnails.(maybe when they are large). They should be cached locally

Better multiple user support

Other people should be able to create playlists, but they should not mess with mine. I.e. improvements in party mode.

Library syncronization: McDiff and McSync (c)

Better filter view layout:
- auto resize + manually override
- multiple filters on the same column.
- album covers used as filters. (rather than outputs only).
- move actions bar to the bottom pane, to give more room for filters.

Make my music offline @
Typical senario: You have a laptop, and your music is on a server. Right click on selection, select make available offline. Go to Starbucks. Filter only music that is with you. Most of the functionality is already there:
Required:
1) send offline requests directly to windows
2) filter the music available offline. (it is already detected but not filtered.

Unify Playlists with Tree Grouping
Why can't I create and use them at the same place?


Save My Views (c)
Save your views (i.e. output column) to profiles and move between them.

Tag grouping
I support tag groupping Nila proposes.


Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: nila on December 10, 2003, 05:06:14 am
Make my music offline

Definitely would LOVE this one.
Right now when I clean my library I have no options as to what I want it to not touch and leave - with my films I know they're not online but I want it to not 'tidy' them up - I just want it to do this for my music files.

I'd LOVE to be able to mark files as offline.
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: NoCodeUK on December 10, 2003, 07:08:01 am
Okay all of the above features should now be compiled in the "Compiled MC 10 Features list".  If you see anything I have missed please let me know.  I have locked the thread so that it doesn't get too messy.

Cheers

Adam
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: Monkeyboy on December 10, 2003, 09:32:39 am
I agree with most of the listed comments. But one more thing that would make video watching much more friendly would to be able to change the default video play windows. So it doesnt full screen everytime I want to quickly look at a video clip.

for example. I would like to browse to where I have my series, double click on an episode, it pop-up in the foreground, I skip along a bit to see if I have seen it then decide whether I want to look at another episode or watch this one.

At the moment, I double click on the file, it full screens, I click windowed mode, check to see whether I have seen it, (if I have) I  retrieve the minimised media center and start again. Very tedious.

Cheers
Rich
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: cct1 on December 10, 2003, 01:22:32 pm
Mine are selfish and simple:

1.  Dynamic playlists for the ipod

2.  Autosynch.  I never understood what the big deal about autosynch was, until I actually used it.

3.   AAC encoder.

Geesh, with these requests, you'd think I own an ipod or something... ;)
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: wuub on December 10, 2003, 05:16:29 pm
Sorry i just realised i miss this great post !
So here is my little request

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Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: dragyn on December 10, 2003, 07:02:47 pm
Here's a few more I'd like to see:

Hide Action Window completely, like in v9.0

Hide Status Bar. Ability to use a rule in status bar instead of predefined.

Hide Player Window (compact; previously requested already); Player controls in Action Window instead.

Hide Search Bar

Hide Tree on startup if hidden on close.

Album shuffle (keep track order per album).

Move/Copy to keep directory structure. Rename file option when duplicate found. Auto rename all.

Image in Action window shown for video files.

Auto-Create all thumbnails.

Hide tagging mode all together (No New Artist, New Album, etc shown).

Ability to move tree (horizontal) when dragged (left/right).

Lyrics in Action Window.

Selection Box on all columns.

High Quality text in visualizations when not being moved.

Full PNG support.

Dialog Box to select columns.

Background color on current track

Image view on current track in Action Window.

Move/Copy on tree items.

Selective Toolbar Text

More than one playlist in View Filter

Keep a list of deleted files from within library, not to be imported again (Trash Bin).

Importing Dialog Box where you can choose your directories (like NAV) and have it rescan for new files.

Font / Print Preview on Library.

Button to goto playing track (playing now / view scheme).

Automatically hide network shares that are unavailable.

More statistics (Audio, Image, Video)

Windowed mode in toolbar button.

Different aspect ratios (100%, 50%, etc) defineable for videos on a file by file basis.
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: ctrevith on December 11, 2003, 02:13:56 am
- High end audio decoding capability (DVD-A, SACD, DTS, AC-3, etc.)

- True DVD movie capabilities: Superb picture quality,  and picture control with complete aspect control (like TheaterTek) along with the ability to rip and burn DVD movies.
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: Raistlin2000 on December 11, 2003, 02:42:10 am
Enhanced DJing, with fade controls in a graphic on the main windows, requested since teh early beta stage of version 8, hope it makes it's way into 10 now :D

Thanks
Raist
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: Mirko on December 11, 2003, 03:20:58 am
Enhanced DJing, with fade controls in a graphic on the main windows, requested since teh early beta stage of version 8, hope it makes it's way into 10 now :D

I would add "beat-matching" there - it's a little irritating that different house-tunes "fade" into each other with slightly different bpm. It should be madeable, as MC already calculates bpm (I don't know how accurate, but most seem to be right) and so has to know how to "slow" or "speed" the bpm (turn around the algorithm?).

Mirko
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: gpvillamil on December 11, 2003, 03:25:32 am
- High end audio decoding capability (DVD-A, SACD, DTS, AC-3, etc.)

- True DVD movie capabilities: Superb picture quality,  and picture control with complete aspect control (like TheaterTek) along with the ability to rip and burn DVD movies.

I'd be happy to pay $70 - $80 for enhanced DVD playback - if it included the codecs.
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: Marty3d on December 11, 2003, 09:23:51 am
Here's some requests for you:

* Being able to use 'last played', 'imported date' and such in view schemes, with grouping. Perhaps even dump the current date handling to use only one format for all and then apply a date view depending on what the date is used for?
* A database redesign so every played count is stored separately with date played. Then you could do lists like "This weeks top hits" or "2003 top hits" etc.

Been missing these since v8!
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: Marty3d on December 11, 2003, 09:28:16 am
Sorry, just came up with another one:

* Simple, bulletproof party mode. Set a playlist/Scheme and lock down MC with a password. No fuzz, just the playlist, viz,  and play/pause/next/previous buttons.
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: kiwi on December 11, 2003, 09:34:03 am
I know one feature that I'd love to have.

Being able to treat any driver and/or folder as a "hand held" device, and being able to sync to it.

There are two primary uses for this.  

First, being able to sync my laptop.  I'd like to be able to connect over the network adn sync 2 gig's of music up to listen to.  

The second being backup.  If properly setup, it could easily be used to sync with an separate HD for backup purposes.  

I would imagine that it could be moderately easily implemented by putting some sort of data file in the directory that would contain the file information there-in.

Thanks,
kiwi
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: JimH on December 11, 2003, 09:45:48 am
I know one feature that I'd love to have.

Being able to treat any driver and/or folder as a "hand held" device, and being able to sync to it.
This is a very good idea.  It solves both the laptop and the backup problems nicely.  We'll take a look at it.
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: Dave T on December 11, 2003, 10:40:35 am
Great thread!

My suggestions:

1) I hope this doesn't touch a nerve, but I think the UI could be ~much~ simpler.  I'm a software developer, and have designed many UI's.  But, I still have to go to the doc, or to the forum too often, to find out how to do something.  I think some of the more obscure and "power user" features could be hidden a little more, and I think some of the terms used "such as hairstyle" require insider knowledge of the product.

2) Better documentation.   A lot of the functionality isn't well documented, or documented at all.  At times, the documentation reads like marketing literature instead of a functional walkthrough.  If I'm a user, I've already bought the product, and probably love it.  I don't need the documentation to tell me how nifty a feature is.

3) Rip DVD's?  Don't know if you guys have thought of this, but the ability to rip and play DVD's would be huge!

4) Be able to group on Date (not time) imported.

Thanks for all the hard work, and thanks for listening.  Keep it up!

- Dave
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: JustinChase on December 11, 2003, 10:52:02 am
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Posted by: ctrevith on Today at 02:13:56am

- High end audio decoding capability (DVD-A, SACD, DTS, AC-3, etc.)

- True DVD movie capabilities: Superb picture quality,  and picture control with complete aspect control (like TheaterTek) along with the ability to rip and burn DVD movies.

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Posted by: gpvillamil on Today at 03:25:32am

I'd be happy to pay $70 - $80 for enhanced DVD playback - if it included the codecs.  

I agree with gpvillamil, I would gladly pay more for quality DVD functionality.  Especially for SACD and DVD-A playback capabilities. :o

I really think many people would not want to pay that much, however.  So that takes us back to the 'Modular Program' format.

Buy what you will use, add-on modules as you find the need for them later.

I realize this would be quite a big leap in resource/programmer requirements as you would probably have to seperate into 'teams' to work on the different modules, and test them individually as well as how well they integrate with the other modules, but if you could get this to work, I would think you could increase income quite significantly as well as spread the income out more over the year as different modules might be released at different times of the year.

I'm all for 'One Suite to Rule Them All' but, you might have to create the other 'Suites' individually before you can 'Rule' them.

Sorry, the movie is only a week away, and I think it's taking over all my thoughts. :P
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: kiwi on December 11, 2003, 01:41:04 pm
Especially for SACD and DVD-A playback capabilities. :o

I would guess this isn't going to happen any time too soon.  SACD is probably a complete nogo as I don't even know whether computer drives can read them, and DVD-A is well protected (at least by the DMCA).  The recording industry is paranoid that people will start copying and trading that content too.   What amuses me, is that you can easily rip the DVD-V content on the DVD-A drives (well, provided it has it, but many do.)  If one is goign to trade it on the internet, then that will be traded, as it's already nicely compressed (sure at a loss of quality over DVD-A.)  

Right now, there are only two DVD-A PC software players... Creative's and WinDVD.  The latter will only play "protected" content at full resolution through the Audigy2 sound card (from what I have heard, unprotected content can be played on any card at full fidelity).  I imagine that the former will only work with the Audigy2.

It's unfortunate that they music industry is takign this approach, as having anyone with a PC as someone who can play DVD-A Discs would certainly increase their appeal.

That said, I would happily play $100 for full rez DVD-A playback through MC, to any (you guys can pick it) high quality sound card.

kiwi
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: JustinChase on December 11, 2003, 05:52:26 pm
Yes, Yes, we musstt stop them.  They mussn't get away with this.  It's my precious, mine.  They stole it from me!

Whoops, that just came out.

I meant, darn the RIAA and the DMCA >:(
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: a2hoo on December 11, 2003, 06:18:01 pm
 1.)  Album rating...
In album view, it would list the album's rating by the the mean of the songs (so you can sort by rating, name, artist, or whatever)  (can show this with a drag over the mouse over the album cover or as a column in list view)

In addition, you could make your own rating as a separate value (different from the mean).  An example of this would be Sgt. Pepper... my mena rating for all the songs would be 3.4  but I would supercede that and rate it a 5 as a whole

2)Large album art (like in itunes)
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: Jaguu on December 11, 2003, 06:56:05 pm
Just copied MC9 content from my PC to my new notebook. This is a very tedious work to do:

1) Copy just a part of image and audio files
2) Need to create user defined fields in new library
3) Import image and audio files
4) Need to create same View Schemes as on my PC
5) Need to create Column Views as on my PC
6) Need to set most options the same as on my PC
7) There will probably more things to be done.

Could there not be a tool to duplicate content from one PC to another? Or do I miss something? Is there an easy way to do it?

Tried to find out where View Schemes are located. Didn't find them!

I would like to have the Master content on my PC and just have content copies on my notebook, so a quick way to sync would be nice to have!

Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: gpvillamil on December 11, 2003, 07:48:14 pm
Yep, it's simple. I just moved everything to a new PC. Here's what I did:

1) Copy the entire JRiver folder from one PC to another
2) Copy all my media files (image & audio) from one PC to another
3) Reinstall and re-register Media Center (important!!!)
4) Open Media Center
5) Select every item in the library and do a find & replace on the filename path, if it has changed (eg. found "F:\Music" and replaced with "G:\Music")

Everything should be working now - almost everything is kept in the library, though apparently some stuff is kept in the Windows registry?

I did start seeing some very strange behavior with cover art, which I will post on separately.
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: Mirko on December 12, 2003, 12:33:40 am
Sorry, just came up with another one:

* Simple, bulletproof party mode. Set a playlist/Scheme and lock down MC with a password. No fuzz, just the playlist, viz,  and play/pause/next/previous buttons.


Yes - bulletproof is the most important part of this - I hate drunken people "just checking out this cool software".

Mirko
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: Daniël van Maanen on December 12, 2003, 09:19:55 am
Make a way to playback to multiple outputs at the same time (without switching between zones). I use MC quite a lot, but sometimes visits of friends grow to a party spontaniously and then I switch to BPM-Studio for playing back the music. This is because it's monitor-function is so great (headphones). I've tried the zones-thing in MC, but I don't like the way of switching between screens.

Maybe it's possible to create a second player somewhere in the window. In options make selectable to which output this player should play. To make the player play a song, drag the song into the player. Or rightclick: "play in monitor."

Thanks.

Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: kiwi on December 12, 2003, 03:27:54 pm
I'd like to have the ability to have a matrix from sources (zones) to outputs.

i.e. you define your outputs and can connect any channel to any/all of the outputs.

This would give amazing flexibility.

kiwi
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: dragyn on December 12, 2003, 11:15:46 pm
Always hide on the control bars. I know I sound like a broken record on this but it would benifit some users. (display).

Dragging a column to scroll window. (low res)

Media Library to have a set of search criteria to define the library files. This isn't a problem with the 'All' view but it becomes one with 'Audio' mode, etc.

Be able to drag panes instead of 'left, right' (speed)

Be able to right-click pane entries and not have it auto show (speed).

Be able to scroll pane entry list and not have it auto show. Using up/down, key searches is really slow with large libraries. Same delay time based on search delay?. Left click be instant, no delay. Box select delayed. (speed)

Favorites / Sorting to be JMD specified.

Favorites to follow view scheme renaming.



Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: zak326 on December 14, 2003, 02:57:14 am
2 things that would make it easier for me would be to get rid of the popup that asks me if I want to delete a folder each time I delete a song. I am sure it serves some purpose other than to make me crazy but wondered if there is any way to turn it off? also, on the context menu when right clicking the context menu is awfully long and navigating could maybe be streamlined . Right now it keeps the last thing you did at the top. If it would keep the last three or better you if it were customizable that would be cool. the way if for example I was reviewing things to play or move I could do it iin two clicks instead of navigating through a couple of tiers. I may be an exception on this but I edit combine and delete a lot of stuff .  I have noticed on 10 that it runs much more smoothly than 9 when it comes to running a part of a song then doulbe clicking to hear part of the next.  9 would freeze up a lot on stuff lilke that.

I would agree about the need for more audio presets, I have  an audigy 2 and whilr I can  make it work, more presets seem to be needed  Maybe a poll on what presets people would use the most would yield some intereesting  alternatives.
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: zaphod on December 15, 2003, 01:36:51 pm
* Rename the Hairstyle interface to something more understandable by non-geeks.  More importantly, make it more like products such as MusicLobby/DVDLobby and MS Media Center so that a tablet PC, smart display, or HTPC is more usable by all family members.

* Add ability to playback ripped DVD's in .VOB format (this may require extra $$ for the extra codec's).  In other words, I'd like MC to be my DVD player for a DVD jukebox where that jukebox is merely a large hard drive with all my ripped DVD's.
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: JustinChase on December 15, 2003, 03:02:32 pm
Zaphod,

MC will play back VOBs IF you have a codec already installed.  I have WinDVD installed and I just have to point MC to the file and it will play back great.

I only wish MC would recognize it as a valid file type and allow me to add tag info to it so I can have my movies listed in my database.  As it is now, I have to manually point to the file every time I want to start a movie.

Oh well, one thing at a time I guess :)
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: Bean on December 16, 2003, 04:52:15 am
I would like to have a "kid’s mode".

It should be able to start in this mode, and the user (kids) should not be able to change anything except the volume and witch songs they want to play. It should also be in thumbnails view, as all kids can't read yet. ;)
Also they should need a password to get out of this mode :-X

"all kids love to play with our settings" >:(
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: johnp on December 31, 2003, 07:47:35 pm
I'm always up for giving my opinion so here it goes in order of importance.

1.  This is a biggie for me, and an absolute must for system integrators to take Media Center to the next level.   Abandon the whole "active" zone concept for remote TCP/IP control.  I need complete and independent control of the zone for which I am listening to., no matter which zone the console happens to be looking at.

2.  Database synchronization.   I need to be able to synchronize databases between multiple LAN and WAN connected music servers running Media Center.  The streaming "media server" option is not a viable solution for this problem, among other things it is buggy and does not alway make music come out of the audio outputs on the sound card.  This of course is totally unacceptable.  I need to have 2 or more instances of Media Center running in a networked environment where both / all systems can simultaneously add tracks to a common database.  This is another must have to meet the demands of large integrated systems.  Even an option to replicate / merge once a day would be completely acceptable.

3.  YADB lookup is still well below par compared to CDDB, expecially when talking about cover art.  Although not a real show stopper, this makes this otherwise incredible paltform look somewhat hobbyist compared to other solutions.

4.  WAV file tagging.  Uncompressed wav file format continues to be the common denomenator when it comes to sharing full quality files among various  systems.  I have been asking for this since 8.x, is it really that hard to implement??

Thanks for hearing us.  You guys do still have the best Media Server that I know of.  Keep up the most excellent work.

Regards,
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: quentinjs on January 05, 2004, 03:33:31 pm
Here is 2 thoughts....

1. A feature to find duplicates.  (I tend to have many from different albums, etc).
2. My collection is a real mess.  Some files have MP3 Tags, some have file names that have the information in it... and to make things worse is that some have that information in the directory structure.  is it possible to ask it to first look at the tag info (1 or 2) then the filename, then the directory.  (this could even be made customizable) so someone else might ask for the directory to be the priority, then tag, then filename.  Also could aslo define what filename types to use.  as my filenames are in multiple formats, but at the end of the day I want all files to have the same format, and all the tag info in the file to be correct.  

Cheers,
Quentin
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: Tanushan on January 12, 2004, 03:53:20 pm
from http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?board=3;action=display;threadid=18403

Hi,

I would like:-

a) volume levelling feature that worked outside MC, i.e so that I could volume level and then take it on my portable mp3 player, and it would be all the same volume. I believe MusicMatch has this feature.

b) a better tagging system like MusicMatch's. YADB doesn't have half the of the info for my cds, and if this isn't possible at least give users the right to use freedb / cddb, like pretty much any other program


thx
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: Tanushan on January 12, 2004, 11:58:08 pm
sorry 4 the double post but just thought of more features

1) Artists (Grouped) how about a one letter for each letter eg instead of A-C, have 1 for A,B and C or at least make it an editable option

EDIT: sorry found out how 2 do it, but how about a 0-9 option even in 1 level mode?

thx
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: Tanushan on January 13, 2004, 12:25:09 am
2) The ability to remove items from the side bar eg like scraping my computer so it doesn't appear
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: buhrmi on January 13, 2004, 01:39:05 am

- Support for Logitech diNovo Media Desktop
- Option to run hairstyle in 800x600.
- In hairstyle mode pressing a letter jumps through the list


* Rename the Hairstyle interface to something more understandable by non-geeks.  More importantly, make it more like products such as MusicLobby/DVDLobby and MS Media Center so that a tablet PC, smart display, or HTPC is more usable by all family members.

That would be great, an "easy-hairstyle-mode-for-dummies".


- A small webbrowser-button in hairstyle (can be deactivated of course).
- an intuitive way to fast forward/rewind in hairstyle


cya
....
(I love hairstyle)
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: lalittle on January 13, 2004, 01:55:14 am
A more robust "Smartlist Wizard" would be nice.  A lot  of the more advanced capabilities are not at all intuitive, and some require typing parameters that are quite cryptic.  I've been able to figure out some things by reverse engineering some of the default smartlists, but it would be nice if some sort of "wizard" made it easier to create more complex smartlists from scratch.

I realize that this is no big deal for people familiar with programming, but to the "normal" user, a HUGE aspect of MC's power is simply not available.

Thanks,

Larry
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: nila on January 13, 2004, 11:01:09 am
sorry 4 the double post but just thought of more features

1) Artists (Grouped) how about a one letter for each letter eg instead of A-C, have 1 for A,B and C or at least make it an editable option

thx

YOU can already do this - right click on the View Scheme, edit, click on the first listing of 'artist' - properties - change grouping level.
Title: Re:Version 10: Turning the tables
Post by: bdjohns1 on March 08, 2004, 04:07:24 pm

- Support for Logitech diNovo Media Desktop


My vote for this one too.  I just got one and got the media control functionality working, but actually putting the LCD to use would be nice.