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More => Old Versions => JRiver Media Center 18 for Mac => Topic started by: JimH on October 18, 2012, 02:41:20 pm
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Early this year we began working on a Mac version of JRiver Media Center. I'm happy to say that it's going well and we're on track to begin showing early versions of an audio player
by the end of the year around Feb 1, 2013Feb 15, 2013.
Next week, we expect to release the first stage, an HDtracks Downloader. [Edit -- The OSX version is now available (http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=75151.0). It's identical to the Windows version of the Downloader that we've just made available for testing: http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=74852.0 ]
This is a major accomplishment by the team. It was a long time coming, a lot of work, and a lot of ugly problems to solve. The biggest obstacle may have been the immense scale of the task for a small group. I'm very proud to have been associated with it though my contribution was only to offer encouragement and a little sympathy from time to time.
(http://www.pix01.com/gallery/8D12431D-7EA0-495D-9EA2-775091458CB9/HDtracks_Downloader/894678597_orig0.jpg)
The HDtracks Downloader is a deceptively simple program, but it touches almost every aspect of the full audio player. The audio pipeline, decoding, encoding, networking, encryption, GUI, and so on.
We're now within site of the finish line for the full OSX player. Thanks to the team for a great effort.
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(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lf6mj9JoOh1qdf5lco1_500.gif)
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I found an album there I want to buy (first timer) but I'm going to wait for the Mac version so I can test it for you.
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That's great news Jim.
Will the HDTracks downloader be part of MC proper at some point? Or an optional module?
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That's great news Jim.
Will the HDTracks downloader be part of MC proper at some point? Or an optional module?
It is not part of MC, but will be distributed by HDtracks. I believe it will be free of charge.
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Great news Jim, I wish you total success with this new project. I can't wait to try it.
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You can get a copy of the new HDtracks Downloader that JRiver has built:
Mac Version (http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=75151.msg509326#msg509326)
Windows Version (http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=74852.0)
HDtracks is offering a 15% discount for JRiver users through October 28, 2012.
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Doesn't work on my 10.6.8 Mac.
Could be a 32 bit issue.
It'd be interesting to see if anyone is running 64 bit on 10.6.8 and if it works or not.
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If there were some way to run OSX in a bottle on my home computer, I'd report that I was able to purchase, download, convert to ALAC, and play in iTunes (but that iTunes didn't read the ALAC tags).
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That would have been good to know.
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I've posted the downloader on computeraudiophile.com:
http://www.computeraudiophile.com/f11-software/jriver-media-center-mac-12458/index2.html
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Doesn't work on my 10.6.8 Mac.
Could be a 32 bit issue.
It'd be interesting to see if anyone is running 64 bit on 10.6.8 and if it works or not.
I got one. I'll try a little later today.
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If there were some way to run OSX in a bottle on my home computer, I'd report that I was able to purchase, download, convert to ALAC, and play in iTunes (but that iTunes didn't read the ALAC tags).
You mean like this?
(http://glynor.com/img/screenshots/VMWare-OSX_Mountain_Lion.png)
Quite easy to do if you have access to a real Mac (or previous VM) somewhere. Everything works fine except for one very specific type of OpenGL drawing (used in Apple's Keynote and iBook Author applications). PM me if you want to know more.
EDIT: Re-reading Matt's post, I realize now that my sarcasm detector was faulty.
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I've moved an HDtracks Downloader bug report to this thread:
http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=75151.0
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Will JRiver MC18 sound as good on OSX as it does on W8?
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An update for the Mac version of the HDtracks Downloader is in the first post of the following thread:
http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=75151.msg509326#msg509326
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Awesome! Love to see any progress and look forward to the upcoming player later this year or early next.
-kiwi
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...so it's not an april fools prank?! wohooo!!!
(https://dl.dropbox.com/u/69930/Patrick/asterixobelixwohooo.jpeg)
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Will the OSX version work as a Remote Control (Client) to a Windows JRiver Server and vise versa?
My setup will be:
Windows audio PC running server. Probably quickly replaced with new Mac Mini running JRiver Server
JRemote ipad retina (Couch Remote)
Some other cheap netbook or tablet for dedicated Theatre View (Client or android remote only)
OSX JRemote (Desktop Client Remote to Windows Server)
Will this be possible?
Now my dream setup is:
All the above, but allowing the imac to act as a zone for video. e.g. I could play audio to server 1 (mac mini), video to server 2 (imac) all controlled by any client or remote. Is that possible?
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Will the OSX version work as a Remote Control (Client) to a Windows JRiver Server and vise versa?
Not initially. Probably later.
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Are you saying that an osx mc would not be able to connect to a Windows library server?? I think that is a must feature!
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Are you saying that a osx mc would not be able to connect to a Windows library server?? I think that is a must feature!
I have to say...
I agree. I won't really be able to use it otherwise.
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I have to say...
I agree. I won't really be able to use it otherwise.
+1
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Are you saying that an osx mc would not be able to connect to a Windows library server?? I think that is a must feature!
I think that he's saying, the initial version(s) might not, but that it is a feature in the big list of prioritized features that would go in.
I'm guessing that there is a lot of ground work that has to go in before this feature can go in. ;)
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Connecting to a Windows Library Server is a must-have feature for me as well. That may be a common desired feature amongst existing MC users, since they're using Windows by default today. New MC users looking for an iTunes alternative, perhaps not so much.
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Audio playback is now working. The next step is the player interface itself.
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Audio playback is now working. The next step is the player interface itself.
Is there a list for a "public" Beta team for JRiver OSX ? I cant wait to shove iTunes out the virtual window. I love my MACs for 15 years. But they penalized me because I have over 25,000 songs...HOW DARE I ?? I have 50,000 songs. Why should a real music lover want a concise logical operating envirment like JRiver has for Windowwwwzzzz.
I will burn every iTunes .itl file the day you release the OSX version.
Sieges
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Audio playback is now working. The next step is the player interface itself.
Nice!
I think that he's saying, the initial version(s) might not, but that it is a feature in the big list of prioritized features that would go in.
I'm guessing that there is a lot of ground work that has to go in before this feature can go in. ;)
Yep, I agree.
I think it should be pretty close to top-of-the-heap though. I'll still test it, of course, but I couldn't actually USE it until it could connect to my MC library.
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Audio playback is now working. The next step is the player interface itself.
That's good news! At what point in its development will it be a client to the PC MC server? Do you imagine that it will at some point also become a server?
Just wondering ... my Win7 HTPC is getting a bit long in the tooth, ... as I contemplate replacing it either with a Dell Alienware X51 or with a Mac Mini(??)
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Audio playback is now working. The next step is the player interface itself.
This is great news!
Can`t wait to run MC on my Mac, Itunes is killing me!
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Will the OSX version work as a Remote Control (Client) to a Windows JRiver Server and vise versa?
Not initially. Probably later.
Is this still the case? Iow, it won't be able to connect to an MC server on Windows?
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Reading elsewhere about Macs as HTPCs, it seems given the current Mac software (... and hardware? ...), Mac are not able to stream DVD HD audio ... which begs a couple of questions ...
(1) Some intelligent topic responses would imply it is only a software issue, but the solution they recommend is to bootstrap Windows 7(?)
(2) If indeed it is a software issue only, does JR imagine they can integrate the capabilities into their MC version for the Mac?
Just wonderin' ... if the Mac version is for real ... shouldn't there be a different forum? IE, just a single thread just doesn't seem to do justice to the many topics(?)
TIA :)
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Audio playback is now working. The next step is the player interface itself.
Jim,
Is it fair to assume that if you (JRiver) are putting the requisite effort in to create an actual OSX compliant version of MC - that future versions of both flavors of MC (Windows/Mac) would fully support sync-age of Mac based i-Devices? (iPod/iPhone etc) to MC?
Is there any back and forth between JRiver and Apple on specs, designs, code etc etc - so that you may be able to overcome the long standing cat fight where future Apple firmware updates on said i-Devices end up killing the sync between MC and any given iPod, Nano etc.?
I won't be buying a Mac any day soon but would like to feel somewhat confident that perhaps I could still sync some Nth gen iPod at some future date...
VP
Just wonderin....
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The Mac version doesn't have any relationship with iPod support.
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The Mac version doesn't have any relationship with iPod support.
Presumably, it would (eventually) still provide the means of creating/exporting a playlist compatible with iTunes(?)
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I don't want to say too much about specific features until we see things starting to come to life. I hope you'll understand.
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The Mac version doesn't have any relationship with iPod support.
Ironic (as written) :) but understandable.
Thanks for the update.
VP
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Will there be support for flac files?
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Yes. Flac is already working in our HDtracks Downloader.
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On the beta forum, we now have a build of MC that removes the last of our dependencies on MFC (Microsoft Foundation Class). Here's what Matt said about this:
Tonight's build of Media Center 18 removes the remaining vestiges of MFC (Microsoft Foundation Classes) from the main program. MFC is the C++ toolset provided by Microsoft to make building applications easier. It helps with things like building user interface, handling drag-n-drop, catching events, and using system controls like edits and buttons. It also includes the basic data types that make up a program like strings, maps, arrays, rectangles, and dates.
This is the last major obstacle that has prevented compiling MC on OSX. We're now just a few weeks away from having the first OSX version of MC running.
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Congratulations!
Jim, you know Christmas is around 24.Dec in most countries... And I want my Mac JRiver under the tree. I have been a good boy... ;-)
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Congratulations from Australia,
Can't wait for the mac version to be released.
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:D '13 will be a good year for audiophiles ... lookin' forward ;D
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Agreed - this is great news! I can't wait!
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I'll bet itunes 11 will be getting you many customers.
If it can read itunes xml file to create JR MC database, and play my existing alac media. I'll definitely buy.
I'll be happy to use itunes only for iphone/ipod synchronization.
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I began to really hate iTunes from version 10.6. :'(
Now that v.11 is out I just want to get rid of it for good... :o
Please let us have a beta of JRiver for Mac as soon as possible! :D
I'll bring you several friends who will be very happy to leave iTunes behind them when they'll see they don't need to have Windows to use JRiver. ;)
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Here's the status to date.
As said above, we have MC's audio engine working, so we can play audio. We can encode and decode most codec's (ALAC, AIFF, etc.)
The user interface is not working yet. Parts of networking don't work. DLNA, ripping, burning and Theater View don't.
We have not looked at video or TV yet, and they will not be part of the first version.
By commenting out some non-audio features, we're expecting to be able to compile the whole program in the next few weeks. It should take several more weeks to clean things up to the point where we could release an audio only version of MC for testing.
Expect these early builds to be available in late January or February.
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Outstanding! iTunes seems to be far more interesting in my being routed to the iStore than in any music quality or ease of use I might enjoy....
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Good times indeed - can't wait to get this on my Mac !!!
Keep us posted... please....
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Greetz, Willem
Netherlands
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I'm hoping one of your earlier releases will be able to connect to the Windows-based media server, if only to play from the music library(?)
TIA :)
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That's great news, Jim. I can't wait to try and it, and I really appreciate all the hard work you guys are putting into this.
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^^^ Ditto!
I'm very excited to see this come to fruition.
It being just a music box seems like a perfect start. Get that solid and then add other features.
Happy to help as a beta tester.
Future feature... for some future version:
One thing that was mentioned earlier and I'll second is any syncing with the iTunes XML DB. While I would rather not use iTunes for most things, I would like to have JRiver and iTunes coexist in a way that benefited both. For instance, I use iTunes Match, if I get new songs I'd love for JRiver to be able to just get that song. And if I update tags in JRiver, I'd love for those to be pushed into iTunes.
It doesn't have to happen automatically, I'd be happy if it were something that I performed once a week/month manually.
And again, it's a future feature.
Looking forward to seeing the fruits of your labor.
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Down to 547 errors when compiling
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Girlfriend says "LIKE!"
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Down to 547 errors when compiling
Microsoft would call that a release candidate ;)
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Hello,
Very happy to learn this & anxious to get MC on Mac.
Will it support Direct Mode in OS X 10.7 & 10.8?
Thanks!
Yiannis
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Wow!
Finally...
It is such great news to know that JR MC will finally be available for Mac users!
Only one year ago I was asking everywhere about a Mac version and it seemed that it would be a no go.... So I had to buy another player.... That I'm actually very happy with but never has that special interface like MC.
Should we expect at least similar features as the most acclaimed players for OSx?
Will it feature direct mode? ISO DSD support?
Any estimate on delivery date and price?
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Very interesting!
I am all new to JRiver, but have it for trial, but decided to try Amarra on mac also. Right now i am wondering if anyone would know if there will be a chance, that rowmote can control JRiver on mac from ipad.
I am just trying to get an idea before i decide which way to go. Will be interesting to get a chance to compare sound quality JRiver vs. Amarra.
Will kernal streaming be on JRiver for mac?
All in all i am very new to all this, but am exited by the very high standard of sound quality from usb to spdif converting.
Thanks for any input
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I am on the fence of getting the MC18. Since the Mac version is coming, I wonder if I have to pay again for it once it's released?
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I am on the fence of getting the MC18. Since the Mac version is coming, I wonder if I have to pay again for it once it's released?
Yes. It will be a different license. We will offer a discount to current owners of MC18 for Windows.
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We're down to about 20 errors when compiling. It was around 2800 when we first tried compiling a couple months ago. Next week, we should find out what happens when we try to link.
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Let the core dumps begin!
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We're down to about 20 errors when compiling. It was around 2800 when we first tried compiling a couple months ago. Next week, we should find out what happens when we try to link.
I'm very excited about this, can't wait to try it!!
Yes. It will be a different license. We will offer a discount to current owners of MC18 for Windows.
Great!
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I am on the fence of getting the MC18. Since the Mac version is coming, I wonder if I have to pay again for it once it's released?
It's likely going to be a while before the Mac version is the equivalent of the Windows version. If you are a heavy user, MC18 is worth the upgrade. The most recent Theater View changes alone make it worth while for me.
As to paying 'again' for the more limited Mac version, I think a lot of us Mac users will do that gladly to help fund the development effort.
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We're down to about 20 errors when compiling. It was around 2800 when we first tried compiling a couple months ago. Next week, we should find out what happens when we try to link.
Definitely getting to see the sausage being made :)
Looking forward to trying this. Maybe replace the Intel NUC with a Mac Mini :)
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Sorry too ask, but which time frame can we expect a public beta to be ready?
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It's too soon to say reliably. We should show something about a month after we have it running at all here.
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Hope you make an appearance at the Moscone Center here in S.F. for MacWorld at the end of this month. ;)
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The compile stage was at zero errors by yesterday morning, so we're working on the link stage. It started at 200 errors. It's now at 7 errors, thanks to our secret weapon, Adam Thompson. He's John's son and on Christmas break from his freshman year at the University of Wisconsin.
That's the good news. The bad news is that a lot of things were commented out in order to get rid of errors. Some of those are going to have to be fixed before the program will do anything again. But we're close to having something.
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That's the good news. The bad news is that a lot of things were commented out in order to get rid of errors. Some of those are going to have to be fixed before the program will do anything again. But we're close to having something.
Step 1 in Cross Platform Development:
#if 0
This code used to work
#endif
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Zero errors in both compiling and linking now. Just crashes to debug.
This is like watching Frankenstein twitch for the first time.
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This is like watching Frankenstein twitch for the first time.
It's ALMOST alive!
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Zero errors in both compiling and linking now. Just crashes to debug.
This is like watching Frankenstein twitch for the first time.
:o :o :o :o
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Will there be similar library tools like MC on Windows, like renaming files/tags?
Also is there a preorder option available?
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Don't know yet, but thanks for the offer.
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Don't know yet, but thanks for the offer.
Pretty sure I mentioned this before, but...
(http://www.funnypictureblog.com/sites/default/files/fry-take-my-money.jpg)
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The prospect of being able to move away from iTunes is very, very attractive - that despite having a both Amarra and Pure Vinyl/Music which all rely on iTunes. I'm keenly watching out for the release!
Good news indeed!
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It now runs for about a second:
(http://files.jriver.com/images/2013/mc_on_osx_1.png)
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Well assuming that before it was 0 seconds, I would say thatīs a progress of 100% - right? ;)
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It runs now, but doesn't yet do anything.
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It runs now, but doesn't yet do anything.
For me, I've never done anything with software development, the question is: is this something good? What is a program, that doesn't do anything? In which way can it be called "running"?
Anyway: after following this thread I guess it's one big step in development. So: Congrats from me ;) I'm excited about what will come up next here :)
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Yes, it's a huge step. It means that most of the internal architecture is working. Enough works that it can start up and show the interface. It doesn't import files yet and it doesn't play.
It's a little like a car that looks good but doesn't run. I have one in my garage.
(http://www.pix01.com/gallery/8D12431D-7EA0-495D-9EA2-775091458CB9/1962_Jaguar/3344457080.jpg)
More (http://www.pix01.com/gallery/8D12431D-7EA0-495D-9EA2-775091458CB9/1962_Jaguar/)
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Jim, seriously. If you have a car like that and it doesn't run, go fix it. You're retired, what more could you wish for?
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It's a little like a car that looks good but doesn't run.
I thought you'd gotten (http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=60437.0) that thing going again?
Oh, wait, I forgot...
"Never trust the British to build anything larger or more complicated than a hat if you want it to work properly." ;) ;D
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I've owned it about 20 years and driven it about 20 times. I love it, but I don't trust it.
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I thought you'd gotten (http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=60437.0) that thing going again?
Oh, wait, I forgot...
"Never trust the British to build anything larger or more complicated than a hat if you want it to work properly." ;) ;D
I had an MG-B in the 80's that was a lot of fun to drive, got a lot of experience working on it too ;)
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I think if I had that beautiful Jaguar in my garage I would not be playing with integrating computers into my audio system, God what a beautiful car!
Hope this is an appropriate post being my first, I have been reading and researching the subject of digital audio playback. I have a quality hifi and I listen to my record collection more than my Cd's. I suspect some of that has to do with sound quality and some with what I am comfortable doing. My CD collection has grown over the years and is now difficult to manage, hence my desire to load them on to a hard drive that is easy to search and keep organized. However, I find mp3 sound quality to be grating for more than background music while doing other things, even the typical mp4 apple down loads leave a lot to be desired, at least played back via my ipod. So, I have an older Mac Mini (Intel Core Duo 2 GHZ; 2GB RAM) and want to set it up as a server, I have been reading the posts throughout this site and I am wondering if there is a document, book, or reference somewhere that any of members may be aware of that an uninitiated, person new to computerized audio could get to help plan out the requirements and steps in putting this system together. I am interested in more than just hardware but suggestions on DAC's and and integration would be helpful as well as file formats and storage issues and backup. I am new to this and want to learn what I'm doing before making too many mistakes.
I understand that J River Media Center for Mac is coming but not here yet, should I use iTunes to get things into the computer or wait, suggestions along those lines certainly welcome.
Thank you,
Ralph
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I am most interested in JRiver MC on OSx. I have switched from the PC to Macs back in 2007. I want to set up a MediaCenter computer and plan on using the Mac-Mini. So I am very interested in the Mac OS version.
I have a very good friend that has an ultimate setup and he swears by the PC version. I've sat and watched him use this software many times and envy his ease of use. I am hopeful to see my patience pay off as you make this available on the MAC.
I can be a beta tester too so add me to the list. I have 2 MB Pros (for kids in college),1 MB Pro-Retina (me), 1 MB Air (wife), 1 iMac (family), and Apple TV. We also have 4 iPhones and 2 iPads. So yes I should have voting rights on Apple stocks but I don't.
Anyway, I mostly have audio files right now but will start ripping all my movies very soon. So I can test the audio files portion right away. I really don't want to download Plex or XBMC if I don't have to.
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I am also interested in JR for mac. I am currently using pure music with mac mini. Yesterday I installed JRiver on my pc for the first time. I have pc connected to 5.1 system and mac mini to high end stereo system. Although my pc is connected to lesser audio system jriver sounded very nice while playing ripped flac files. I am really waiting to test JRiver on my stereo system.
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Any chance that JRiver will build an audio only version of MC for Windows when the Mac port is complete? I bet this has been asked before...
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Any chance that JRiver will build an audio only version of MC for Windows when the Mac port is complete? I bet this has been asked before...
Tools/Options/General/Features
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I'm very excited to see the progress...
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Ditto. Just joined the forum. Have Mac, iTunes, AirportExpress, toslink. Want JRiver on mac mini and USB direct to my DAC2. Willing to beta test.
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I will change the operating system :D :D :D :D :D :D heheheh
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I will change the operating system :D :D :D :D :D :D heheheh
What operating system? Change it to what?
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Hey all. Glad to see the enthusiasm in this thread for the upcoming Mac version of Media Center. We at JRiver are working hard to reach the point where we can put out a first pre-Alpha release that is relatively stable and useful for some of the core Media Center functions (e.g. import, view, and play audio files with fully functional DSP, look and feel like MC on Windows).
Currently, we're at the point where Media Center runs on Mac, plays a song or two, and many parts of the UI "sort of" work but there are many holes to fill before it's ready for public testing.
Feel free to comment on just how stable you think the pre-Alpha needs to be in order to be useful for public testing, without causing too much frustration. I guess the answer to that question determines whether we're a few weeks away or a few months away.
Thanks!
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If you're reasonably sure it won't erase my hard drive* or kill my dog, I'm game.
* Any files I use on it would be copies from my main Library, so I really mean erase. It isn't a big deal if it corrupts a file or twelve.
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Here's our plan. Please comment if you have a way to improve it.
1. The license for the Mac OSX version will be separate from the Windows version.
2. Initial releases will have a 30 day timeout. There will probably be several of these.
3. The final price will probably be the same as the Windows version.
4. The Early Bird price will be $25, with no refunds offered, so don't buy it unless you're sure.
5. It probably won't be dependable for daily use for the first 3 months.
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2 Questions Jim,
Is the initial release the pre-alpha release JohnT speaks of?
Is the 30 day timeout version only going to be available to The Early Birds (ie, paid customers only)?
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Actually I have 3 questions 8)
Do you have a list in mind for the features you plan to make available in the initial release *before* the upgrade to the next version becomes available? In other words which features can we reasonably count on before we upgrade? I mean high level, we heard about audio and DSP features, will video follow soon? Will there be a theater view? Skins?
Thanks!
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Hi everyone
First post for me.
I am all Mac and will be buying MC for certain. I would strongly favour releasing something ASAP. It would enable
me to play with MC and find my way around and "grow" with the updates.
Philip
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Is the initial release the pre-alpha release JohnT speaks of?
Yes.
Is the 30 day timeout version only going to be available to The Early Birds (ie, paid customers only)?
No. Anyone will be able to download it. The reduced price will only be available for a few weeks or so.
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Initial release is the alpha.
The timeout versions will be available to anyone.
The feature list isn't set yet, but assume audio only for now. Skins should work.
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Thanks Jim!
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Here's our plan. Please comment if you have a way to improve it.
1. The license will be separate from the Windows version.
2. Initial releases will have a 30 day timeout. There may be more than one of these.
3. The final price will be the same as the Windows version.
4. The Early Bird price will be $25. No refunds.
5. It probably won't be dependable for daily use for the first 3 months.
Works for me... I'm in, just let me know where and when.
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First post for me too, as new to JRiver. Looking forward to trying it out.
What does Early Bird price mean? Is it a full licence just at a cheaper price for early adopters? Is it a one off payment for version 1, which entitles you to free updates?
Thanks
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Will the early builds work as clients for Windows based servers?
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Will the early builds work as clients for Windows based servers?
I'm guessing those features will come later.
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What does Early Bird price mean? Is it a full licence just at a cheaper price for early adopters? Is it a one off payment for version 1, which entitles you to free updates?
Yes. Free updates within the major version, in this case MC18. Here's how it works:
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Updates
And welcome to the forum.
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Will the early builds work as clients for Windows based servers?
Maybe. It's too soon to know with any certainty.
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I'm quite happy to be an early bird tester.
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Here's our plan. Please comment if you have a way to improve it.
1. The license will be separate from the Windows version.
2. Initial releases will have a 30 day timeout. There may be more than one of these.
3. The final price will be the same as the Windows version.
4. The Early Bird price will be $25. No refunds.
5. It probably won't be dependable for daily use for the first 3 months.
sounds. good. i have no pre-existing JRiver license/experience. Just want to start the journey off iTunes to MC. So, I pay $25 for full entitlements.
Just 2 questions:
- if the Mac version is abandoned before a 1.0 production release...refund..or that's the risk we take as early adopter vs doing the 30 day trials?
- Will you have any formal or suggested ways that you would like to get feedback during the alpha/beta phase?
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...Feel free to comment on just how stable you think the pre-Alpha needs to be in order to be useful for public testing, without causing too much frustration...
For me the only criteria for early Alpha is that the media does not get deleted or corrupted.
EDIT: and the install should not trash the PC (e.g. you should be able to do a complete uninstall followed by a clean install)
EDIT EDIT: and it should not harm glynor's dog ;)
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- if the Mac version is abandoned before a 1.0 production release...refund..or that's the risk we take as early adopter vs doing the 30 day trials?
It won't be abandoned. No way, no how. They've spent at least 2-3 years rewriting most of the code for MC to be OS agnostic, to make this to happen. Unless JRiver fails as a company, once released, it will continue to be improved. Of that you can be sure :)
*However, I make no promises that it won't harm your dog.
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Here's our plan. Please comment if you have a way to improve it.
1. The license will be separate from the Windows version.
2. Initial releases will have a 30 day timeout. There may be more than one of these.
3. The final price will be the same as the Windows version.
4. The Early Bird price will be $25. No refunds.
5. It probably won't be dependable for daily use for the first 3 months.
More than fair :)
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Hey all,
First post for me. I love MC on the PC*. I use it for audio and video. I'm definitely willing to pay $25 for the early bird Mac version. I'm not sure I'd be willing to pay the same price as for the PC version if the Mac version didn't include video playback as well.
-ASDF
* Recently I've been getting crackles in MC17 using WASPI Event Style and even regular WASAPI with a MusicStreamer 2.
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Maybe. It's too soon to know with any certainty.
I think making it a priority so that it can work as a client for a windows server will make it easier to make the switch faster. You can trust the server with your library and the mac client can not screw anything up.
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Here's our plan. Please comment if you have a way to improve it.
1. The license will be separate from the Windows version.
2. Initial releases will have a 30 day timeout. There may be more than one of these.
3. The final price will be the same as the Windows version.
4. The Early Bird price will be $25. No refunds.
5. It probably won't be dependable for daily use for the first 3 months.
I'm already chirping on my tree ! ;)
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If the early bird version contains features for high quality audio playing I am in. I mean so it really takes all the audio data there is to take from my flac files. Audio is number one for me, video features and other stuff can come when ready.
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Yes I am definitely interested in the early bird version; the plan looks ok to me.
On the stability factor I agree with earlier comments that as long as it does not mess up your entire pc or media and provides a clean install/uninstall it's no problem.
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Hi Jim
In case it wasn't clear from my earlier post, I am very keen to participate in the beta testing.
Philip
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First post for me. I love MC on the PC*. I use it for audio and video.
* Recently I've been getting crackles in MC17 using WASPI Event Style and even regular WASAPI with a MusicStreamer 2.
Please start a new thread on this if you want help. Lowering the buffer size might help.
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On review I am still missing the 'when'...I am having problems with Pure Music and would like to replace it with a JRiver product as they all seem to work on my PC's..
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First post also. Yes I have been waiting, sitting on the fence regarding which software to use. I have leaned towards JRiver and would also support testing it. It would be useful if it can read apple lossless files, as all my music is loaded with itunes. Looking forward to the trials.
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First post also. Yes I have been waiting, sitting on the fence regarding which software to use. I have leaned towards JRiver and would also support testing it. It would be useful if it can read apple lossless files, as all my music is loaded with itunes. Looking forward to the trials.
The Windows version of MC now fully supports Apple Lossless (including encode). That's probably a very good sign.
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Count with me as an early bird
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+1
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Is the early bird date around feb 1? Or is it more like a few weeks like it was mentioned in one moderator post? Just to know when it's right time to come checking the page regularly.
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+1 early bird. Looking forward...
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I'm up for the early bird special! ;D
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Well this is most interesting. I've been using alternatives on my Mac Mini for some time. None have been able to provide quality sound and ease of use.
Just about to install a Win 8 solution and MC on Monday. Doing so for reasons stated, as well as a better hardware platform for feeding my DAC. I'm pretty certain I'll opt for the OS X version of MC as well, especially at the intro price, just to compare it against Amarra and other players, even if I don't use that system ever again.
That brings up licensing. How does that work. Is it across all OS X systems a user owns? Is it forever? Is it transferable when you buy a replacement Mac?
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That brings up licensing. How does that work. Is it across all OS X systems a user owns? Is it forever? Is it transferable when you buy a replacement Mac?
That is how the windows licensing works, I would assume the OS X licensing would operate the same way. But, you know what they say about assuming ;)
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Licensing terms will be identical (for now).
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Will the tag editing features (fill tags from filename or rename files from tags) be available on the early releases?
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will we receive mac discounted price email alert?
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My principal interest in MC on a Mac is audio-only, and I will be looking out for the early bird notification for that.
In the meantime, and I recognise this may be premature, but could a Mac (which does not natively decode .wtv files as far as I know) acting as a client to a Windows server play .wtv files? In other words, does the decoding take place on the server side, on the client side, or does MC not play .wtv files at all? Just thinking about a better use of a mini that's a little under-utilised...
Thanks in advance for any insight.
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Hello,
I am eagerly waiting for the Mac Version. Can I buy the Windows version first and get a credit when the Mac version is out?
Kind regards
Max
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Yet another willing early bird stands ready.
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I am excited to see the progress on the OSX version! Count me in as an early bird, and also if you need or are interested in a Beta tester... 8)
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I'm eagerly awaiting this release :)
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I can't wait to use JRiver for Mac.
Apple really jumped the shark with iTunes 11.
Apple could have easily made the iTunes library management portion of iTunes a "pro" version and charged for it, out of the box competitive with JRiver.
Instead, it's 12 pounds of iTunes Store and iPhone sync into a 5 pound sack.
I need an iTunes library manager on a Mac.
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Tools/Options/General/Features
Is the the code base being used for the Mac version shared with MC 18 right now? If not, can you compile the Mac code for the Windows platform? Just curious.
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Is the the code base being used for the Mac version shared with MC 18 right now? If not, can you compile the Mac code for the Windows platform? Just curious.
Yes, they share the same code base. Only the low level code for various things (drawing to the screen, file handling, etc.) is split into separate code for Apple vs. Windows.
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If the early bird version contains features for high quality audio playing I am in. I mean so it really takes all the audio data there is to take from my flac files. Audio is number one for me, video features and other stuff can come when ready.
The same JRiver audio engine is being used for the Apple and Windows versions, so even the earliest versions will play your audio files with their fullest quality intact.
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As a very long time Windows MC user, but one who has recently moved to Mac in the lounge connected to some expensive DAC kit, the ability to play Hi Res audio from my NAS is a dream come true. I know there are other ways to stream but this is my chosen path for the time being. I successfully had MC running under a duel boot option, but running and paying for a copy of Windows seemed a bridge too far for me.
I guess as I currently use the windows version against a mapped drive to the NAS i'll need to fiddle with something to get the Mac version to see the files.
Ideally I'd like to be able to restore the MC backup into the Mac version. Thus as I add music to the windows version I can keep the Mac version up to date.
Stupid question, but might I be able to use JRemote, or would that be someway off?
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Is there any chance of a first release estimate JimH?
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Still another early adopter ready to purchase.
I love the Mac mini as a HTC, and I love JRiver on Windows. Audio is my main goal, though if I could replace various video players that would be great.
How will you announce the early bird availability?
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Absolutely in for the early bird as well, still working out the kinks using Mac Mini and Parallels 8 so really looking forward to a Mac supported MC.
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How will you announce the early bird availability?
We'll first announce it on our forum and in this thread. Be prepared for it to be a little rough in the first two or three months. We'll put it out builds every week or so to fix problems and improve the experience.
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Thanks... have my "notify" on this thread.
Good luck and let us know when she's ready to run.
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Well I just couldn't wait. Installed a C.A.P.S 3 Lagoon with MC yesterday. Sounds far better (more natural, expansive, and detailed) than my Mac Mini with Amarra ever did. Will install MC for Mac when you make it available just to see how different the two players sound on the Mac, as well as how each hardware platform sounds with MC. Should prove enlightening.
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Linux post split here:
http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=77948.0
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We'll first announce it on our forum and in this thread. Be prepared for it to be a little rough in the first two or three months. We'll put it out builds every week or so to fix problems and improve the experience.
Can't wait anymore, and willing to be beta tester, too!
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I cannot wait, though I must. I do not have a Windows machine, so I have only the reports of folks like on computeraudiophile.com to rely upon, and their reports are solid. I was about to take a jump and create a C.A.P.S. machine as my music server, based on Windows and MC, but the reports of this coming up is exciting. I like the fact that y'all are being upfront about the first releases being of beta quality. I've done beta testing before and seeing an application firm up into reality is fun, especially the builds that cause smoke to come out of the vents <evil grin>.
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Would like to join as beta tester. Really looking forward to the Mac River!
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I can't wait for a Mac version. I'd love to help test it!
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Here's the new Mac OSX board:
http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?board=31.0
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Early Bird Mac Licenses are available now:
http://www.jriver.com/mac.html
Expect First Look (Still Rough) versions by February 22.