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Devices => Androids and other portables => Topic started by: JimH on October 30, 2018, 03:41:16 am
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JRiver for Android is a version of JRiver Media Center. It uses the highly regarded audio engine of Media Center, and can be used with remote control and remote access of audio files on Android. Video and images will not be initially supported.
JRiver for Android is intended for playback only, not management. All networking capabilities, such as Library Server and DLNA will be supported. MCWS is supported. FLAC and MP3 are the only local audio files supported at this time.
The visual interface is available only by using a remote control app such as Panel or Gizmo or JRemote. Panel is included in the Android app, so playback and control can be done on the phone or remotely.
Price: $9.98 initially.
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I'm...
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Looking forward to seeing how this develops (esp for Android TV and Video over time).
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Will this be covered by Master License?
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No.
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I currently use JRemote to manage JRiver on an Id . What would I use JRiver for Android for? Sorry for the confusion.
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How exactly is this different from Gizmo? What does this do that Gizmo doesn't?
Gizmo does play video, so this seems less good.
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Is there a free trial with this?
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Most of the configuration for the audio engine is only available via the MC GUI (e.g. DSP studio). Will the MC server gain the ability to manage client config or will panel (and hence mcws) grow the ability to manage this?
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How exactly is this different from Gizmo? What does this do that Gizmo doesn't?
Gizmo does play video, so this seems less good.
Gizmo is a remote control and remote player. It connects to MC running somewhere.
This is MC, just without the GUI. You'll use any remote to control it, but it can import and play audio.
If you use Panel on the same device, you'll effectively have MC running as an audio player on the Android. That's not possible to do at this time.
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Most of the configuration for the audio engine is only available via the MC GUI (e.g. DSP studio). Will the MC server gain the ability to manage client config or will panel (and hence mcws) grow the ability to manage this?
Panel will add some capabilities, mainly in the configuration area. This will also require adding capabilities to MCWS.
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Is there a free trial with this?
No. It's subject to Play Store rules.
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Panel will add some capabilities, mainly in the configuration area. This will also require adding capabilities to MCWS.
great, that will be useful.
This is MC, just without the GUI. You'll use any remote to control it, but it can import and play audio.
if it imports files, how will you manage that data without the MC UI? is it the same answer as above (i.e. panel will add features)?
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I currently use JRemote to manage JRiver on an Id . What would I use JRiver for Android for? Sorry for the confusion.
For some audio playback, JRiver for Android, running on an old Android phone, might be a low cost alternative to an Id.
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Does this support native playback at high sample rates or is everything re-sampled through the Android audio system?
I have an old LG V10 phone running Nougat that has a nice ESS DAC chip but it only has native support from a couple of apps, everything else is limited to the Android audio system and 48k.
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I've a LGV10 and LGV20 - nice phones.
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I've a LGV10 and LGV20 - nice phones.
I think it was from one of your posts that I became aware that the V10 existed.
https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,101444.0.html (https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,101444.0.html)
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Wait... Panel is built-in? Meaning you don't need to open a web browser, and it's part of the app itself? And it supports gapless playback, yes?
Interesting... might (finally) be replacing my Android music player. :D
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Hmm. How to explain ...
Panel is a web app, as you know. The new app we're building is native Android. It includes a web server that any browser can connec to, from anywhere. In the case most interesting to you, I think, Panel can run on the phone and talk to JRiver. How Panel gets started is still an open question. We might do it automatically when JRiver runs.
The experience should be as if you had a media player running on Android.
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I'm pretty interested in this as a full MC App running on Android finally gives me In Sync Audio to my "
Build : Replacing an Traditional Home Intercom System with Tablets (https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=83560.45)" as each will be a MC Zone and the newer Zone Sync should keep them all playing together! I can then "push" audio to some or all of the Android Devices.
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Also, as it is a full MC instance, any Zone Aware MC App (MC, Remote etc) will be able to control playback. So (in addition to Panel) you could use a MC Remote on the Android itself to control playback on the MC Instance on the same device. .... if that all makes sense! :o
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Also, as it is a full MC instance, any Zone Aware MC App (MC, Remote etc) will be able to control playback. So (in addition to Panel) you could use a MC Remote on the Android itself to control playback on the MC Instance on the same device. .... it that all makes sense! :o
Correct.
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I'm pretty interested in this as a full MC App running on Android finally gives me In Sync Audio to my "
Build : Replacing an Traditional Home Intercom System with Tablets (https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=83560.45)" as each will be a MC Zone and the newer Zone Sync should keep them all playing together! I can then "push" audio to some or all of the Android Devices.
Oh that's very neat. I've been using an old android phone as a car entertainment system; this would allow me to remote control it via gizmo. Pretty cool.
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Also, as it is a full MC instance, any Zone Aware MC App (MC, Remote etc) will be able to control playback. So (in addition to Panel) you could use a MC Remote on the Android itself to control playback on the MC Instance on the same device. .... it that all makes sense! :o
Not quite. How is it different than just a remote on my phone?
I'm in because I want to support the development but I really want video.
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Not quite. How is it different than just a remote on my phone?
Because a remote needs to talk to a server. JRiver for Android is such a server.
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I made a mistake on the date for early release. It's corrected in the first post.
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Not quite. How is it different than just a remote on my phone?
I'm in because I want to support the development but I really want video.
I get it now. I really don't care about video serving but want an Android video player.
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I'm assuming that Gizmo or JRemote can connect to the local Library Server via the localhost, correct? Is this still accomplished via an access key?
I ask because I'd like to have a local media library available on my smartphone even without internet access. 400GB microSD cards rule!
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It should behave exactly like MC running on any PC and Panel connecting to it from the same machine.
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Will this App be able to access JRiver radio stations?
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This is interesting. I have an android box (wired) in our family room with jremote installed. Unfortunately, I can't control what music it plays from using my iphone's jremote. Because of that, I still sometimes prefer to use my audioengine D2 wireless DAC/preamp to play music from the server downstairs to my family room zone upstairs. The audioengine D2 is great but sometimes interference is a problem from the nearby wifi router. If this works, I might no longer need to use it for sending wireless audio to the family room. Maybe even sell it... profit! ;D
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Will this App be able to access JRiver radio stations?
I think so.
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JRiver for Android is a headless version of JRiver Media Center.
I'm a little bit mystified.
The idea of the full JRiver interface on an Android device for use as a remote is interesting and attractive, as all the Android remote apps leave a lot to be desired, and the best ones are no longer in development, but as a server?
Android devices are portable with limited storage; apart from things like car systems it doesn't seem to have any value.
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I'm a little bit mystified.
The idea of the full JRiver interface on an Android device for use as a remote is interesting and attractive, as all the Android remote apps leave a lot to be desired, and the best ones are no longer in development, but as a server?
And as a renderer. You could use an old phone as you might use any other renderer.
Android devices are portable with limited storage; apart from things like car systems it doesn't seem to have any value.
You're thinking just of phones. Android is an OS and it's migrating to bigger devices.
And "limited storage" isn't quite accurate. I have a Note 9. It can be purchased with 512GB of memory and it has a microSD slot that accepts up to 512GB. So you have 1 TB of storage.
https://www.tomsguide.com/us/galaxy-note-9-specs-price,news-27763.html
That's 30,000 lossless files. In a year or two, that "phone" will be in a drawer. It's a very powerful computer that could be used for another purpose.
It may not make sense to you now, but we're trying to do the development now for where the market will be in a few years.
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We use a Nvidia shield TV in our bedroom so I can't wait for MC to be available on Android. I use Kodi now but I'd love to be able to use my MC library for music on the Shield.
To Jim's point about the use of phones and tablets going forward, at work I have learned that many of my younger (40s and under) colleagues may have laptops but they do almost everything on their phones. They complain that their laptops are slow because every time they turn them on (once a month or so) they have to do a bunch of updates. All this to say that while I may never rely on mobile devices to the degree that younger people do, having the full MC available on Android will be great. I'm probably doing something wrong but I haven't figured out how to use Gizmo to play FLAC as FLAC (not MP3) using my phone/Shield so this will be a significant step forward.
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Hey Jim, looking forward to this.
I use Panel on my phone, but I don't use it much in my car because it won't autostart on bluetooth connect like other Android media players. Will JRiver for Android address this?
Old phones as renderers is a nice feature. Will this be a native solution, or will we still need to run DLNA software like Bubble?
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Hey Jim, looking forward to this.
I use Panel on my phone, but I don't use it much in my car because it won't autostart on bluetooth connect like other Android media players. Will JRiver for Android address this?
Old phones as renderers is a nice feature. Will this be a native solution, or will we still need to run DLNA software like Bubble?
I'm not sure yet how it will behave with Bluetooth. We will look at this if it doesn't work.
MC includes DLNA, so another DLNA solution wouldn't be needed.
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It should behave exactly like MC running on any PC and Panel connecting to it from the same machine.
It's working!
We have an APK (installation requires setting the flag for unknown sources for now).
I installed it on my phone.
I started a browser and typed localhost:52199. Panel started and found the music on my phone.
I had to check the option in Panel settings to play audio without conversion.
It plays. High fives all around!
We'll have a release shortly for the beta team. We have a long way to go to make this a finished product. It's primitive. But it works.
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I use Panel on my phone, but I don't use it much in my car because it won't autostart on bluetooth connect like other Android media players. Will JRiver for Android address this?
I just tried this in my car and it works as expected.
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Does this support native playback at high sample rates or is everything re-sampled through the Android audio system?
This is a very important question.
Jim, will JRiver for Android play Hi-Res music through the device's DAC?
Many modern mobile platforms Qualcomm Snapdragon playback up to 192kHz / 24bit, and Android allows you to use it.
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I am very interested but was Video. Any timeline for adding video support?
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Will JRiver for Android support Native DSD for compatible platforms such as Qualcomm Snapdragon 845 (835)?
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Hi, great news, so can i assume that jriver mc will run as an app on my philips oled tv (which has an android based smart platform) providing me all video and music playback jriver functions ?
thanks koen
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I am very interested but was Video. Any timeline for adding video support?
We don't know yet.
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Will JRiver for Android support Native DSD for compatible platforms such as Qualcomm Snapdragon 845 (835)?
Maybe.
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Hi, great news, so can i assume that jriver mc will run as an app on my philips oled tv (which has an android based smart platform) providing me all video and music playback jriver functions ?
Maybe. It's not clear yet whether it will be installable on Android TV.
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hi, thanks, well, that would be really great since that would bring a real media player to the device (especially for playing video files fro my nas) .. although i am not sure how powerfull the "computer" parts of these smart tvs are ... that might be the bottle neck.. right ?
ps.. i am talking about a recent 2018 model btw
thanks koen
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Hi, great news, so can i assume that jriver mc will run as an app on my philips oled tv (which has an android based smart platform) providing me all video and music playback jriver functions ?
thanks koen
Maybe. It's not clear yet whether it will be installable on Android TV.
If I understand correctly this port to Android is the SERVER only right? The dream of an android player is still in the clouds. The server is not a big deal to me but an Android TV app would be awesome.
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reading the announcement i was thinking (dreaming?) on running jriver mc on my tv .. so indeed server side..
but it seems i misunderstand the announcement ..
an android app to control jriver (like we already have for a long time for sonos and bluesound) would also be great.. having a ios app would even be greater (for me)
reg koen
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No. It's subject to Play Store rules.
And Play Store is full of trial ware. I just finished checking out two products for two weeks, and then bought the fully licensed versions. The trials were fully featured, just limited to two weeks. All through Play Store.
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If I understand correctly this port to Android is the SERVER only right?
No. It's not just a server. It is all of JRiver Media Center but without a user interface. Panel is the interface. Effectively, it's a media player for Android. It also is a server -- just like MC is.
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Maybe. It's not clear yet whether it will be installable on Android TV.
I hope it will be a goal to get this working. An Android TV into a receiver via HDMI would be a great/simple way to get JRiver streaming audio to my big speakers. Even if the GUI was non-existent and it was only a renderer/zone this would be excellent. A phone could be used for this purpose, but the audio output of a phone is not great and an additional USB DAC is cumbersome.
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Will the app requiring repurchasing at each major upgrade?
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Maybe. It's not clear yet whether it will be installable on Android TV.
I do hope it will be or it will rule out some of the most powerful tvs and the best of breed Android box, Nvidia Shield.
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I do hope it will be or it will rule out some of the most powerful tvs and the best of breed Android box, Nvidia Shield.
We're on your side. We just don't know yet. I bought an Nvidia Shield, but I haven't figured out how to get a file on it.
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Will the app requiring repurchasing at each major upgrade?
No policy has been set. We try to be fair.
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An Android app world be great. I play music a lot on my Samsung Galaxy S3 tablet.
I'd volunteer to test..
Jon
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This sounds perfect for the Shield TV. Will the app have any kind of exclusive access to USB DACs, the way that USB Audio Player Pro has? I'd just use that, but I've always had a rough time using the UPnP Renderer and the app doesn't officially support Android TV devices.
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No. It's not just a server. It is all of JRiver Media Center but without a user interface. Panel is the interface. Effectively, it's a media player for Android. It also is a server -- just like MC is.
My point, like others are saying, is that MC will really be on Android when we can use the Shield with the Harmony remote and a Theater View type interface.
I can use MO 4Media on the Shield now but it has its flaws.
I'll buy this version right away to help support development but don't see using it any time soon.
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My point, like others are saying, is that MC will really be on Android when we can use the Shield with the Harmony remote and a Theater View type interface.
I can use MO 4Media on the Shield now but it has its flaws.
I'll buy this version right away to help support development but don't see using it any time soon.
My thoughts exactly. Well said!
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I just wonder how many "audio quality' features I can expect from it.
I could use it in an Android box with HDMI and SPDIF/Toslink outputs
- Resampler ?
- Parametric EQs ?
- Room correction ?
- Channel redirections ?
- Convolver ?
- 64 bits audio processing ?
- High priority / precision regarding to buffers/timing/clock ?
- Low level control over audio output path ?
. ...
Those features, if we'll implemented, could become a semi useless box In a very, very interesting high quality audio player. The audio quality and features regarding to it, IMHO, should be a cornerstone of this product.
And ...which is the minimum Android version to run it ?
Thanks!
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Will it support 24-bit playback feature of my phone's hires chip, like $4 Poweramp or $8 USB Audio?
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Probably.
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Does it apply JRiver volume leveling for tracks?
If not it would be useless to me in a vehicle playing playlists.
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I see 'Panel' mentioned. Is that an App? Panel Search didnt bring up anything definitive, for me at least. I didnt know exactly what to search for either here or the Play Store. Sorry Im not as quick as I used to be. TIA
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Panel is this:
https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,105883.0.html
https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,115638.0.html
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I don't mean to criticize, but for the benefit of others reading, please always try a Google search first.
In this case, a search for panel jriver would get you there.
Just a suggestion.
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Hi Jim and the team,
Congratulations on the hard work. Looking forward to this.
Will it work with Android Auto so that I can listen to it in my car while it's served from my phone.
John
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Hi John,
I don't know yet. I have Android Auto and can test.
Jim
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I don't mean to criticize, but for the benefit of others reading, please always try a Google search first.
In this case, a search for panel jriver would get you there.
Just a suggestion.
Jim,
I feel you are being a little presumptuous. FYI.... I did search before asking but none of my searches here, on google or the play store using the query "panel" revealed anything definitive. If I had 'known' it was a jriver feature I would have used the query you suggested, but nowhere in this thread was it defined as 'jriver panel' and I thought it may be a third party app. Like I said, that is the only reason why I asked for more info. I am extremely disabled with CTE for over 25 years and everything is more difficult than it used to be. I dont expect you to understand but the way I think and process info is not as effective as it used to be. I am always reluctant to ask questions here because of fear my question may sound like I want to be spoon fed. Maybe it is better not to ask and not know than ask what 'others' consider a stupid question or laziness. I am so sorry I bothered anyone. BTW..... thanks Awesome Donkey
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Chasoscar,
It's always risky to tell someone how to help themselves, but it's part of my job here. I'm sorry if I offended you.
Jim
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Will it support direct Chromecast / Chromecast audio for playback ?
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Not initially.
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Support native dsd, dsd media and output?
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Looking forward to this. I know it probably will not be tested for Amazon Fire, but currently, I use Gizmo on my Fire Stick and it works pretty good. I'll give this a shot as well. When video is supported...
One thing about Panel is it does NOT sort TV shows by Season/Episode. It just lumps them together in some order, which I have yet to figure out. Would that be a possibility for the Android version Panel? Also, the Check Marks for previously watched shows/movies would be nice.
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Sorry, I not understand this. For long, I been craving for a JRiver for android devices, meaning having the great functionalities, like covers of all my music, scanning sd card or external disc.
But not so for my phone. But on media boxes, like a Zidoo, where their media center is worthless, and have to continue to use a computer, only to play and index my files well. So what you are saying, is that your Android app, does not does this?
It will not be to used on an android box, and manage covers? Would it from an Android phone be possible like with gizmo to command an Android box to play the files? Not understand very well, sorry.
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It will not be to used on an android box, and manage covers? Would it from an Android phone be possible like with gizmo to command an Android box to play the files? Not understand very well, sorry.
Yes, it will do that.
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It's on the Play Store now as beta. It's $9.98.
https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,118399.0.html
Working Now
Audio playback to the device, using files from the device.
Audio playback to another DLNA device, using files from the device.
Supported audio file types are the same as MC.
It's still a little fragile and probably will be for a few weeks.
Not Working Yet
Radio
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Purchased to support development.
Thanks team.
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What is the procedure to get JRiver for Android on my Nvidia shield ?
it is not listed on "google play" apps on the shield, and when I access google play with my PC
under my google account account it says that this application is not compatible with my Nvidia Shield ?
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You'd have to sideload it, but I wouldn't recommend trying to get JRiver for Android running on an Android TV box just yet. Android TV is a different beast compared to normal Android and it'd probably not work too well yet.
That, and it's not actually compatible with Android TV (yet). They'd have to add specific support for Android TV for it to appear in the Play Store.
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What is the procedure to get JRiver for Android on my Nvidia shield ?
it is not listed on "google play" apps on the shield, and when I access google play with my PC
under my google account account it says that this application is not compatible with my Nvidia Shield ?
As Awesome Donkey said, you would have to copy it there manually, but I'd love to know what happens if you get it installed. It might work.
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Purchased to support development.
Thanks team.
Thanks very much.
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Purchased to support development.
Thanks team.
I've bought too. Hoping for an Android TV version soon :)...
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What is the procedure to get JRiver for Android on my Nvidia shield ?
I just checked the settings for the app at Google and Nvidia Shield shows as "supported". That may not mean anything.
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Play store does not show comparability with my Shield.
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Play store does not show comparability with my Shield.
By following the download link in the first post, using a browser on the Shield, I got to the point where I thought it might install, but it said my device was unsupported. We need to look more closely at this.
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There are extra steps to go through to get the Playstore to mark an app as Andriod TV compatible.
https://developer.android.com/docs/quality-guidelines/tv-app-quality
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There are extra steps to go through to get the Playstore to mark an app as Andriod TV compatible.
https://developer.android.com/docs/quality-guidelines/tv-app-quality
Thanks.
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i purchased the android...didnt sign up for beta...sam..V 8.1.0...did see atext that it will be turned on later?also j remote...by mistake...install licence on droid?...not working??....music player?download files and play in ..on phone???...buy better droid for jr??thanks fellows...
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Return to the purchase page and request a refund. You can do this for 2 hours.
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TV box mecool 3399. Installed. I see Panel. 2 options in app setings. Audio format and video resolution. I did connection to Panel from browser on my Ipad. And now what? How to add music from the network server?
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JRiver on Android can only play audio that is located in the device's default music directory, at this time. This will change in the future.
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Looking forward to Android Auto compatibility!
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Just learned of this and purchased because I believe the effort deserves support.
I've not tried it yet but will it support OTG? My Nexus 6P is not particularly friendly with accessing external USB sticks or portable HD. Hoping this will be possible.
Also glad to see you are considering Chromecast.
t
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Looking forward to Android Auto compatibility!
Same here. Our Chevrolet Bolt supports it, and it's nice, except that it only works wired (car limitation), and for some apps, the USB recharging rate doesn't keep up with the rate of battery discharging. If it worked wirelessly, a QuickCharge charger could be used. As I understand, it's not possible to deliver QuickCharge and data from a single USB cable.
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Just purchased and installed JRiver for Android on my Samsung tablet. It finds music, but doesn't play. Play button turns to pause, but no sound and progress bar remains at 0.
Any ideas?
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Just purchased and installed JRiver for Android on my Samsung tablet. It finds music, but doesn't play. Play button turns to pause, but no sound and progress bar remains at 0.
Any ideas?
Go to the settings page (gear icon in the upper right) and change "Playing to" to "Player." The zone "Here" which refers to the browser doesn't work on the Android app without disabling forced conversion. The "Here" zone will be removed from the Android app soon.
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Go to the settings page (gear icon in the upper right) and change "Playing to" to "Player." The zone "Here" which refers to the browser doesn't work on the Android app without disabling forced conversion. The "Here" zone will be removed from the Android app soon.
That did it. Thanks!
ps. I've been a member since 2014; "Recent member"?
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ps. I've been a member since 2014; "Recent member"?
it goes by number of posts
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will this be developed so that it can access my library from home which is controlled by JRiver?
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I'm looking to mount an android tablet in my car to listen to lectures while driving. Can someone confirm if the android app can do the following:
- view mp3 files by folder (as the files won't have metadata so I'd prefer to see them by the folder hierarchy as it's a huge library sorted by topics, sub topics
- finger swipe left /right to rewind the audio e.g 30 seconds/ fast forward - it's important that it is done by finger swipe to avoid distraction while driving
- after shut down to resume play within the .mp3 file where I left off
- (not a must, but very helpful) to automatically sync update the files with my home PC once I bring it in the house - so that all files can be stored on the tablet (in case I'm out of range of internet signal)
- (again not a must) play files located on my home PC (running jriver for windows)
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It's probably not a good fit at this time.
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I have been trying out each build.
On my FiiO X5 III MC will only open if I immediately put it in the background so it can do it's thing without the wait/close prompt from android. When it does open it only shows files from one of the two SD cards.
On my Nokia phone MC opens fine but still doesn't see the audio on my SD card, which is where all of my audio is.
I look forward to testing with my full library showing up.
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On my Nokia phone MC opens fine but still doesn't see the audio on my SD card, which is where all of my audio is.
Try uninstalling and reinstalling.
What is the name of the folder?
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Given the active development of android set top boxes such as the nvidia shield etc I really hope to be able to step off the windows train permanently in the future. I would wish that you make a full featured jriver for Android. Without the required knowledge and as a layman it would seem pretty easy, given your knowledge, to adjust the existing Debian version code to android for us with big screen an-devices. Then for small screens allow the user to connect thru panel, gizmo , dlna or any other halfa**ed interface... for now I will go for gizmo on the set top box and a Debian server in the wardrobe. Holding all thumbs crossed,, br /Nick
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Without the required knowledge and as a layman it would seem pretty easy, given your knowledge, to adjust the existing Debian version code to android for us with big screen an-devices.
It's not that simple. Linux and Android, even though Android uses the Linux kernel, are two completely different things. If it was as easy to port the Linux (Debian) version of MC to Android, they would've years ago.
That said, JRiver for Android is still in the early days. It'll take time for all the intended features to come and it won't happen overnight... it can't happen overnight. They basically have to rewrite parts of the code so it works on Android (in addition to the other platforms JRiver supports; Windows, macOS and Linux where applicable). It's a very time consuming process, but there's progress being made.
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Ok, I did not know. @jriver, sorry for my ignorance. But still, I think jriver has the opportunity now, focused on the audiophile market, to increase the client base quite a bit if good Android versions are released. Unfortunately, for me as a long-time jriver enthusiast, and for jriver, there is lot of competition growing very fast, and I feel if things dont start moving fast here, the competition will have a head-start hard to impossible to recover. Hoping for the best. //Nick
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I have been trying out each build.
On my FiiO X5 III MC will only open if I immediately put it in the background so it can do it's thing without the wait/close prompt from android. When it does open it only shows files from one of the two SD cards.
On my Nokia phone MC opens fine but still doesn't see the audio on my SD card, which is where all of my audio is.
I look forward to testing with my full library showing up.
All of my audio is in "Music" folders
I uninstalled and reinstalled on both devices as suggested by Jim.
MC on my Nokia phone is now showing the music on my SD card. Very nice.
On my FiiO X5III (with latest FiiO updates) MC doesn't display anything. MC opens but the screen is just white. Even when left for hours. I will try again when the next version is released. It may also be worth testing it with less music on the SD cards, there's currently 240GB. I will try if time permits.
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Could the white screen be ram related?
I have a 1gb tablet that doesn't load MC at all.
the FiiO you mention has the same amount and the same whitescreen problem.
I don't think it has anything to do with the amount of music as the tablet has barely an album on it.
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I'd say it's likely web browser related. Do FiiO devices have a web browser installed? Panel depends on having a web browser and either not having one or it not being a good one *could* cause that issue.
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On my FiiO X5III (with latest FiiO updates) MC doesn't display anything. MC opens but the screen is just white. Even when left for hours. I will try again when the next version is released. It may also be worth testing it with less music on the SD cards, there's currently 240GB. I will try if time permits.
I have a 1gb tablet that doesn't load MC at all.
the FiiO you mention has the same amount and the same whitescreen problem.
Have you tried closing the main UI screen and then recreating it by tapping the notification window?
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I'd say it's likely web browser related. Do FiiO devices have a web browser installed? Panel depends on having a web browser and either not having one or it not being a good one *could* cause that issue.
My tablet issue was actually just that the tablet is slow, i waited about 30 seconds and it loaded.
Subsequent loads were much faster.
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Have you tried closing the main UI screen and then recreating it by tapping the notification window?
There is no notification window. I tried again with today's release on my Fiio X5III. Same results.
When I go to Apps in the Android settings to check the ram being used. JRiver doesn't show up in the list of active apps.
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What version of Android does the Fiio run?
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I've a LGV10 and LGV20 - nice phones.
Great phones! I'm using the LGV30 with USBPro as a media player and JRemote to run my home media server. USBPro gives full access to the DAC regardless of what headphones/IEMs are connected and plays everything at it's highest resolution, including 24/192 .wav/FLAC .DSD and MQA files. Would love to be able to stream a HiRes JRiver playlist on my phone, so I'm keen to pursue Radio JRiver. Hopefully it will play at a good resolution too. :)
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I just saw Jim's post on the old thread saying "Android TV coming soon".
This sounds fantastic, at least if it means what I hope it means.
What I hope for from an Android TV compatible JRiver:
* Native playback, on the device, using the device's own GPU/codecs
* Some kind of Theatre View interface for browsing the media with remote control.
Could anyone confirm if this is what's meant by "Android TV coming soon"? If so, then the minute it's released I will immediately be buying at least three copies. I have three "Android boxes" around the house; specifically, the H96 Pro Plus, which is based on the S912 Octa-Core chip, with 3GB RAM, 32GB ROM, and a Mali GPU capable of H264 and H265 decoding at up to 4K. Though in practice I only use 1080p files.
In fact, if I can get my media playing on devices like this, I might buy more than three copies - I could maybe even replace my HTPC with this, as I don't do any fancy upscaling or MadVR stuff. I just want the ability to connect to my JRiver library, then play H264/H265 1080p files with local video decode (not decoded on the server, not transcoded), and output it via HDMI to my TV.
If/when JRiver Android can do this, I will be very happy :) Right now my Android boxes connect use Kodi and connect to Media Center via DLNA, but this has lots of disadvantages.
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The only problem is, those "Android TV" boxes aren't actually running the Android TV OS, but the stock Android OS with a third-party launcher (to mimic the official Android TV launcher to some extent), so I'm not sure if an Android TV-compatible app will actually work on a "Android TV" box with an Android TV-compatible interface. If anything on those boxes, you'd likely just get the standard Android interface used on Android phones and tablets, for example.
JRiver for Android with an Android TV-compatible interface will likely work with a Nvidia Shield TV or a Mi Box, since those are official Android TV boxes running the official Android TV OS.
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The only problem is, those "Android TV" boxes aren't actually running the Android TV OS, but the stock Android OS with a third-party launcher (to mimic the official Android TV launcher to some extent), so I'm not sure if an Android TV-compatible app will actually work on a "Android TV" box with an Android TV-compatible interface. If anything on those boxes, you'd likely just get the standard Android interface used on Android phones and tablets, for example.
JRiver for Android with an Android TV-compatible interface will likely work with a Nvidia Shield TV or a Mi Box, since those are official Android TV boxes running the official Android TV OS.
That's true. There is actually a (community-made) Android TV build for my box, though I don't use it because it's so limiting compared to normal Android.
So, yes, let me amend my feature requests :) In order to be useful on my setup, whatever interface JRiver Android provides would need to:
- Not require Android TV. If it's possible to make an app that runs on both TV and normal Android, that'd be ideal (not sure if that's possible)
- Or, two builds - one for TV and one normal Android.
- I would think the non-TV one would be reasonably easy to produce once a TV one is available? Just strip out the special TV APIs with the home screen integration, and let it run as a normal full-screen app?
- Be navigable with the standard key presses, eg up/down/left/right + enter/OK as with standard Theatre View. Then it can work with whatever kind of remote control device the user throws at it.
If that can be done (eventually), then that would be perfect: it'd work on both Android TV and non-TV devices, which would include the full gamut of "android boxes".
If the new build is Android TV specific then I will certainly give it a go, installing the TV build instead of the normal Android build to try it out. However it will be pretty limiting, so I doubt I will be able to stick with it.
The reason Android TV is so limiting is that the majority of streaming/catch-up TV apps do not have an Android TV version. At least they didn't last I checked. There's a Netflix, YouTube and BBC iPlayer, but not any of the other UK TV stations (ITV, Channel 4, Channel 5, UKTV). I don't think there's an Amazon Prime app, either. The iPlayer app only exists because NVidia sponsored it for the Shield, I believe.
This limits my ability with Android TV to provide a single device that can both play my pre-recorded media, and access all the streaming services we use.
To be honest, if I'd had to choose between supporting normal Android or Android TV, I'd have gone for the former. I don't have hard data to back this up, but my feeling is there are more likely purchasers of J River in the former category. The Shield is a great device, but very expensive. There's a huge userbase out there with the sort of "android box" that I have - evidenced in part by the YouTube channels reviewing them with hundreds of thousands of subscribers. And a lot of people have devices like the Amazon Fire TV, on which it's possible to sideload apps (they do it all the time with Kodi) but which don't run Android TV and never will. Being able to advertise JRiver as a better alternative to Kodi could bring in a lot of users.
Anyway that's just my guess, I might be wrong. My main point is that I do hope that JRiver Android won't specifically require Android TV, because that will certainly limit my own interest in it, and I think that applies to a lot of other potential users as well.
Either way, I'll definitely be interested to try out the software when it's ready.
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I don't think there's an Amazon Prime app, either.
There is now. Amazon and Google worked out their differences, so the Prime Video app is now widely available on Android TV and likewise the YouTube app is available again on Fire TV sticks and other Amazon Fire products.
The only real gotcha with true Android TV boxes is the lack of a modern Hulu app, since Hulu can't be bothered to update their Android TV app. You can sideload the normal Hulu Android app and it'll work somewhat, but fortunately my TV's Hulu app is up-to-date and works fine as a substitute. Another gotcha, and this is mainly with the current Nvidia Shield TV boxes, is the hardware doesn't support HDR for VP9, meaning you can't get HDR YouTube working if it uses VP9. Again, fortunately, my TV's YouTube app does support it and it works perfectly as a substitute, so both of those gotchas are non-issues for me. It's worth noting the Nvidia Shield TV is the best Kodi box out there (outside of a HTPC) performance wise, not even the few different H96s based on the S912 chips I have come close. Not even the Mi Box S official Android TV box comes close performance wise to the Shield TV box. :P I do hope a new revision of the Shield TV is released within a year or two with a newer chip (and hardware support for VP9 HDR). I also hope Hulu gets their darn act together and properly updates their Android TV app.
I have a feeling when MC for Android gains support for Android TV, it'll likely only support the official Android TV boxes, and not those other "Android TV" boxes.
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If the Android TV can act as a client and have a 10ft interface or at least be easily navigated by a normal remote control I can see a few copies getting sold for my household.
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If the Android TV can act as a client and have a 10ft interface or at least be easily navigated by a normal remote control I can see a few copies getting sold for my household.
As a simple client with a 10ft interface, we're aiming to add that to the new version of JRemote for Android as well, which should be coming out near the end of summer (Android TV and expanded video functionality might be slightly later).
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Great news. MO4media works on the Shield but the interface just isn't that great. Having an Android TV app will really expand how I use MC.
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How is the app at picking up playlists exported from MC25?
Also, is there any screenshots available, different themes etc?
I'm currently using RocketPlayer which I like as it has a dark theme and easy scan to find new music/playlists.
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There are a couple of screenshots on the Play Store. There are only two themes. Light and dark. It resembles Panel.
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Just bought the app this morning and it does work. I could play files from clouddrive, the phone and JRiver radio, but that was about it. The problems I had were the tools (where I assumed that at least some of the things in DSP studio on the main program were located) and help options were grayed out and the program wouldn't read playlists exported from the desktop program, although the music was there. I also couldn't figure out the order of the clouddrive uploads or any way to sort them. Hopefully future builds will improve things, especially the DSP and playlist issues, because in its current state there isn't any way this program compares to USB Audio Pro or Poweramp as a media player.
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Just bought the app this morning and it does work. I could play files from clouddrive, the phone and JRiver radio, but that was about it. The problems I had were the tools (where I assumed that at least some of the things in DSP studio on the main program were located) and help options were grayed out and the program wouldn't read playlists exported from the desktop program, although the music was there. I also couldn't figure out the order of the clouddrive uploads or any way to sort them. Hopefully future builds will improve things, especially the DSP and playlist issues, because in its current state there isn't any way this program compares to USB Audio Pro or Poweramp as a media player.
There is no way to configure DSP studio options at the moment; however, playlists should work fine. JRiver for Android will import playlists it finds automatically. Make sure the playlists aren't in a root level folder, and the folder they are in needs to be appropriately named. When it imports them, they will show up in the playlists section under Imported Playlists.
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There is no way to configure DSP studio options at the moment; however, playlists should work fine. JRiver for Android will import playlists it finds automatically. Make sure the playlists aren't in a root level folder, and the folder they are in needs to be appropriately named. When it imports them, they will show up in the playlists section under Imported Playlists.
Could you be more specific about where the playlist file is supposed to go? When I currently download the file from the desktop version of JR25 it goes to a playlist folder on the root directory of the internal storage drive. Other media programs like Poweramp get the playlists from there without any issues. I tried copying the playlist file from the root to the music folder, but that didn't work either.
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Try Music/Playlists.
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I still couldn't get the program to read playlists from music files downloaded from my PC to the phone. The android program shows the name of the playlist (in a music/playlist directory as suggested), but it is empty. I downloaded it using the M3U Playlist (extended) option. That option did work with playlists created from cloudplay files. The program read those just fine, showed all the songs and I was able to play them. Given that there aren't any DSP options yet, I would only use this program for those playlists anyway.
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I still couldn't get the program to read playlists from music files downloaded from my PC to the phone. The android program shows the name of the playlist (in a music/playlist directory as suggested), but it is empty. I downloaded it using the M3U Playlist (extended) option. That option did work with playlists created from cloudplay files. The program read those just fine, showed all the songs and I was able to play them. Given that there aren't any DSP options yet, I would only use this program for those playlists anyway.
If you can see the playlist, but it appears to be empty, it probably means the paths to the files are wrong. If the playlist file is using relative paths and was moved, the paths will need to be adjusted.
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I also can't find playlists via the JRiver app, I've tried setting the 'Playlist Path' as Music\Playlists\
The app is also picking up seemingly random music from my JRiver library (not on my phone/SD card) I assume via WiFi, yet it's only certain tracks.
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I also can't find playlists via the JRiver app, I've tried setting the 'Playlist Path' as Music\Playlists\
The app is also picking up seemingly random music from my JRiver library (not on my phone/SD card) I assume via WiFi, yet it's only certain tracks.
Just to be clear, playlist imported by JRiver for Android will show up in the Imported Playlists section on the Playlists page, but imported smartlists will show up on the Playlists page. Is there an Imported Playlists section on the Playlist page? Is there anything in that section? Do you see the playlists but they're empty? What format are the playlists (m3u, mpl, etc.)?
JRiver for Android will try to filter out some audio files, like ringtones and alerts, but it won't necessarily filter them all out. You can remove them from the library with the file context menu.
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The only playlists on the playlists page are 'Recently Imported' 'Recently Played' and 'Top Hits'.
When I go to Artist or Album it shows the music I have on the SD card on my phone, plus a few artists from MC library. It's mostly just one track for each of the MC library artists, not the complete library. I thought maybe it's synced with one of my playlists in MC but it seems quite random.
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How to play from my flash drive? ?
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Not possible at this time.
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Can't import playlists. Other music programs on my phone have no problem.