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More => Old Versions => Media Center 16 (Development Ended) => Topic started by: maliceme on July 08, 2011, 10:15:53 am

Title: DFF & DSF Support (AKA DSD, Super Audio CD file format)
Post by: maliceme on July 08, 2011, 10:15:53 am

MC supports these formats in the latest build. But, where would one encounter these formats? Can MC now directly decode a SACD in my optical drive?

Title: Re: DFF & DSF Support
Post by: JimH on July 08, 2011, 11:52:48 am

We think these files will be more widely available in the future.  Try the links at the bottom of this page:
http://www.playbackdesigns.com/superhires-answers.html

The change we made does not affect what your optical drive can read.  As far as I know, the only common drive that can read SACD's is on older Sony PS3's.

Title: Re: DFF & DSF Support
Post by: GreggP on July 08, 2011, 03:13:33 pm

You can download some sample DSD files here: http://www.2l.no/hires/index.html.

Title: Re: DFF & DSF Support (AKA DSD, Super Audio CD file format)
Post by: mantis07 on July 29, 2011, 10:36:48 am

how can these .dff files be played?  I try to import the tracks but MC 16.141 will not import or play them.  Foobar plays them fine.

thanks!

Title: Re: DFF & DSF Support (AKA DSD, Super Audio CD file format)
Post by: JimH on July 29, 2011, 10:53:04 am

Under file types in MC's options, are the types checked?

When you import, you may need to check the filetypes.

Title: Re: DFF & DSF Support (AKA DSD, Super Audio CD file format)
Post by: mantis07 on July 29, 2011, 10:57:18 am

Hi, yes they are checked and associated.

thanks

Title: Re: DFF & DSF Support (AKA DSD, Super Audio CD file format)
Post by: JimH on July 29, 2011, 11:28:26 am

What happens if you drag one into the MC window from Explorer?

Title: Re: DFF & DSF Support (AKA DSD, Super Audio CD file format)
Post by: mantis07 on July 29, 2011, 11:36:14 am

it says "Warning - there is nothing to play".  If I close MC and double click a .dff file MC will open but the song doesn't show as playing or play.

thanks

Title: Re: DFF & DSF Support (AKA DSD, Super Audio CD file format)
Post by: JimH on July 29, 2011, 11:46:50 am

There are several formats.  Where did you get the files?

Title: Re: DFF & DSF Support (AKA DSD, Super Audio CD file format)
Post by: mantis07 on July 29, 2011, 11:58:41 am

2l.no - weird - I rebooted and now they play within MC but not on the PS Audio PWD - it just says waiting.....

Title: Re: DFF & DSF Support (AKA DSD, Super Audio CD file format)
Post by: JimH on July 29, 2011, 12:05:18 pm

How is DSP set in MC?

Title: Re: DFF & DSF Support (AKA DSD, Super Audio CD file format)
Post by: Matt on July 29, 2011, 12:48:14 pm

First, make sure other audio plays like from an MP3, WAV, etc.

Then try setting the Sample Rate in DSP Studio > Output Format to 44.1 or 48 and test DSD.  Does that work?

Title: Re: DFF & DSF Support (AKA DSD, Super Audio CD file format)
Post by: mantis07 on July 29, 2011, 01:19:57 pm

It plays fine with the DSP set to default in MC - ie: no resampling or bit depth change or to 24/192 etc.  What I'd is to be able to play it via the DNLA server on my PS Audio PWD with does 32/192

thanks

Title: Re: DFF & DSF Support (AKA DSD, Super Audio CD file format)
Post by: chrisr on August 07, 2011, 10:23:48 am

This is great.  Thanks for adding DSD playback. 

Do you convert to PCM, or is the DSD stream left unaltered and bit-perfect?

Also, will you support DSD128 in addition to DSD64?

Thanks again.  Happy user for many years - now even happier.

Chris

Title: Re: DFF & DSF Support (AKA DSD, Super Audio CD file format)
Post by: Matt on August 07, 2011, 10:45:23 pm

Quote from: chrisr on August 07, 2011, 10:23:48 am

Do you convert to PCM

Yes.  DSD is converted to high sample rate PCM.  An 8:1 sample rate conversion is performed, and the bit-depth is increased from 1-bit to 64-bit.

So the total size is 8 times as large when it's PCM, meaning the transform is effectively lossless.

Title: Re: DFF & DSF Support (AKA DSD, Super Audio CD file format)
Post by: littlefield on August 13, 2011, 03:44:09 am

I have dff files cannot play in MC 16.0.149.

Cannot import the folder or files. Double clicking on file, nothing happens. Shortened file names in case that was problem.

Yes, dff is checked in audio formats. In fact in Windows the dff files are showing the MC icon.

Any suggestions?

Title: Re: DFF & DSF Support (AKA DSD, Super Audio CD file format)
Post by: Matt on August 13, 2011, 07:59:23 am

Quote from: littlefield on August 13, 2011, 03:44:09 am

I have dff files cannot play in MC 16.0.149.

Cannot import the folder or files. Double clicking on file, nothing happens. Shortened file names in case that was problem.

Yes, dff is checked in audio formats. In fact in Windows the dff files are showing the MC icon.

Any suggestions?

Welcome to Interact.

If you drag a file into Playing Now in Media Center, does it show in the list?

If not, I may need a sample file.

If yes, try using DSP Studio > Output Format to specify a sample rate (start with 44.1).  Does that help?

Thanks.

Title: Re: DFF & DSF Support (AKA DSD, Super Audio CD file format)
Post by: littlefield on August 27, 2011, 04:06:19 am

When I drag into now playing, there is a blue "plus icon and copy" appearing but then nothing happens after I drop it. It does not appear in the player. How can I send you a file?

Title: Re: DFF & DSF Support (AKA DSD, Super Audio CD file format)
Post by: littlefield on August 27, 2011, 04:21:14 am

Also cannot play SACDs converted to ISO...

Title: Re: DFF & DSF Support (AKA DSD, Super Audio CD file format)
Post by: JustinChase on August 29, 2011, 06:43:21 pm

Quote from: littlefield on August 27, 2011, 04:21:14 am

Also cannot play SACDs converted to ISO...

Me neither.

Title: Re: DFF & DSF Support (AKA DSD, Super Audio CD file format)
Post by: Matt on August 29, 2011, 07:01:03 pm

Quote from: littlefield on August 27, 2011, 04:06:19 am

How can I send you a file?

I'm matt at jriver dot com.  I think email will work for a file of about 30 MB or less.

Thanks.

Title: Re: DFF & DSF Support (AKA DSD, Super Audio CD file format)
Post by: magnust on November 23, 2011, 10:20:39 am

Quote from: littlefield on August 27, 2011, 04:06:19 am

When I drag into now playing, there is a blue "plus icon and copy" appearing but then nothing happens after I drop it. It does not appear in the player. How can I send you a file?

I have the same issue. Was this solved and if so, how?

Title: Re: DFF & DSF Support (AKA DSD, Super Audio CD file format)
Post by: Matt on November 23, 2011, 10:53:58 am

Media Center doesn't support compressed DFF and DSF.

If that's what you're trying to drop, you're going to have to convert them to uncompressed.

If you think they already are uncompressed, please send me a sample file.  My email is above.

Thanks.

Title: Re: DFF & DSF Support (AKA DSD, Super Audio CD file format)
Post by: RaceDoc on May 13, 2013, 04:02:31 am

Hi @all,

is there a feature included in MC 18 to tag dsf and dff files?
The sound quality of these files played natively is great but the
files are spread in "various artists" and "unknown artist".