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Windows => Third Party Plug-ins, Programs, and Skins => Topic started by: jmone on October 06, 2017, 02:27:42 am
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Updated - 13 Aug 2018
MC24 introduces support for playback of unencrypted UHD Bluray. MC23 or earlier will require you to manually update the version of LAV to the latest Release to support playback. If you have ripped your UHD-BD to another format like MKV these will play without any changes to MC.
Like with standard BD's, MC does not support the decryption of discs or keep any "keys" to do so. Hence, you will need a UHD BD decryptor, and as with std BD, there are now several options for decryption/backup of your UHD Blurays. Support of UHD BD is now pretty quick for new discs but it is done by each of the companies providing the decryption programs (though their may be a delay of some days for newly released discs). You will need one of the following if you want to play/import your discs in MC:
* DeUHD : This was the first commercial prog that can decrypt UHD BD. It can both run in the "background" so MC can backup your disc using the Rip Disc Function and in addition has it's own GUI. I've tested both methods and it works well but it can be considered expensive and the company is of unknown providence. From my testing, DeUHD will backup a 90GB disc in 1:45min and requires a approx 200MB download per disc.
* AnyDVD HD : UHD Support has been added (at no additional lic costs) and the range of supported discs are good. Will backup a 90GB Disc in between 1:05 and 1:25min depending of your drive. Runs in the "background" as usual and also has it's own GUI if you need that function.
* MakeMKV : You need to use their GUI to either rip to Folder (100% copy) or to remux to MKV that can then be imported into MC. I have used the rip to folder and it works well. Good range of UHD Discs supported.
* There has also been a several postings of UHD BD Keys (VUK) that several decryption programs (like MakeMKV, AnyDVD HD, and DVD Fab) were originally using. This supply of "Keys" appears to have stopped and the decryption programs have now moved onto their own methods and support a much wider range of UHD Discs these days. This is not really an option any more.
* DVD Fab : I have no experience with this program but I understand it also works.
There is also a UHD forum at MYCE that may answer many of your questions - https://club.myce.com/c/ultra-hd-blu-ray
You will also need very specific drives and firmware for these programs to work. DeUHD support some "UHD official drives" and "UHD friendly drives". AnyDVD / MakeMKV only supports some "UHD friendly drives". A list can be found here of the supported drives/firmware (https://club.myce.com/t/the-ultimate-ultra-hd-blu-ray-friendly-drive-list-with-recommendation-of-best/399725/15).
--------- The posts following this one are the history over the last couple of months. Progress has been quick and as a result many of these posts are now outdated. Refer to this OP and the later posts for the current status ------------
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I read up on DeUHD, and it appears to not actually "crack" AACS 2.0, instead, it targets a bunch of discs specifically (ie. they probably obtained disc keys from a compromised player somehow).
What that means is that they'll need to own and handle each and every individual UHD Blu-ray disc before it can be supported - a very slow and very limited process, especially since there are also region-specific variations of such discs out there.
Not to mention that its truely extremely slow (a full disc seems to take several hours), and even has a daily usage limit built in after which it won't work anymore until the next day.
Its totally not worth 200 euros for that.
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100% ...but I'm still thinking of dropping the cash (go figure). I hope DeUHD spurs some activity in this area from others as while I only have 23 UHD BD it will soon get hard to manage without being able to import them into MC as the collection grows. For what it is worth, I now try to only buy UHD BD as they tend to also come with a std BD anyway waiting for the day I can rip the UHD BDs.
On another note, any more thoughts on Menus?
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100% ...but I'm still thinking of dropping the cash (go figure). I hope DeUHD spurs some activity in this area from others as while I only have 23 UHD BD it will soon get hard to manage without being able to import them into MC as the collection grows. For what it is worth, I now try to only buy UHD BD as they tend to also come with a std BD anyway waiting for the day I can rip the UHD BDs.
On another note, any more thoughts on Menus?
i am in the same camp as you. about same number of uhd discs.
i just bought one of ghe recommended Lg drives because at very least i want to try the free version and see if it can rip the 10 mins or so it claims. however my paranoia tells me to install it on a fresh copy of windows and isolate it on the network, and use wireshark and other tools to see what it may be doing. this just seems like a perfect trojan vector
i too am also wondering if it is limited to titles of specific regions or origins, though uhd is region free. it does not mean they use the same keys...
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I've coughed up the $ and now ripping the first disk using MC with DeUHD in the the background. So far so good. It decrypted all the small M2TS files and the rest of the disc structure correctly and is currently working on the main title.... but at 2.1MB/sec MC says it will take 8Hours! I'll see what it has produced in the morning and how long it really takes to rip 61GB. I'll then work through the rest of my discs.
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Doesn't seem worth the money to me in its current state, but hopefully it will improve over time or others (ideally RedFox) will develop better tools.
Looking forward to being able to buy UHD discs now though.
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100% ...but I'm still thinking of dropping the cash (go figure). I hope DeUHD spurs some activity in this area from others as while I only have 23 UHD BD it will soon get hard to manage without being able to import them into MC as the collection grows. For what it is worth, I now try to only buy UHD BD as they tend to also come with a std BD anyway waiting for the day I can rip the UHD BDs.
On another note, any more thoughts on Menus?
Greetings:
I pray one day UHD will be rippable either by makemkv or RedFox.
Last year, I purchased from Amazon U.K one of the compatible LG optical drive LGBH16NS55 version 1.01, and a few months ago, I also got the Pioneer version. I housed them in external enclosures.
My UHD collections now is almost 150. If you really want UHD, I suggest you start collecting your movies now, at least most come with standard BD.s that you can watch for the interim.
George
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Greetings:
I pray one day UHD will be rippable either by makemkv or RedFox.
Last year, I purchased from Amazon U.K one of the compatible LG optical drive LGBH16NS55 version 1.01, and a few months ago, I also got the Pioneer version. I housed them in external enclosures.
My UHD collections now is almost 150. If you really want UHD, I suggest you start collecting your movies now, at least most come with standard BD.s that you can watch for the interim.
George
I agree and I've now switched to buying UHD BD where possible (as they also come with a normal BD). I had to add a BH16NS55 to my UHD BD drive collection as none of my existing ODDs worked with DeUDD (2 x Pio Sata, 1 x Pio USB, 1 x LG USB) ::)
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i too am also wondering if it is limited to titles of specific regions or origins, though uhd is region free. it does not mean they use the same keys...
From what I understand, while UHD BD is region free... there are different distributors in different parts of the world who may have a different versions (and hence encryption).
To answer your other Q - I'm currently trying the following method
- Put disc in drive
- Let DeUHD scan the disc and say it is open (takes 30-60sec) - at this point the Disc is available to the OS in an unencrypted form any anything (even explorer should be able to copy it).
- The use MC to copy the disc (as I do with Blu Ray and Anydvd)
I set this off last night but this morning it had failed 20% of the way though. I'm trying this again now.
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FYI - Here are some responses I got from DeUHD on the slow speed, the range of discs supported, and if there was a limit to how many you can rip in a day.
1. We will improve the speed.
2. We will support more disc, pls send the aacs folder to me if the discs are not supported.
3. 2 disc per day for purchased version. This is for normal use, not for pirate website
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See it that way, at the current speed you couldn't possibly rip more then two discs a day anyway! :D
That's a terribly dumb limit however, especially if it gets to "normal" ripping speeds. With BDs I often have a batch of a handful of discs that need ripping, having to spread that out over days would be stupid.
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Yup - I have replied to them along these lines. I tend to buy a bunch of new discs on the weekend then use a few drives at once to rip them ready for viewing. I may then not buy another batch for a few weeks. The slow speed also prevents being able to play a movie off the disc itself (its about 1/3 the speed needed). I'm currently ripping at only 2.2MB/sec (according to MC's GUI). Anyway, it is only their first version so it will be interesting to see:
- How the speed improvements go, and
- If they can truly generate keys just by providing them with the AACS folder from the discs.
This second part is interesting. If they really can generate keys from user provided info they could be onto a winner in growing the # of supported discs pretty quickly. Reminds me of the old days of AnyDVD (I think it was for BD+ removal???) where the app would scan unsupported discs and send some info back to them for analysis).
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From what I understand, while UHD BD is region free... there are different distributors in different parts of the world who may have a different versions (and hence encryption).
To answer your other Q - I'm currently trying the following method
- Put disc in drive
- Let DeUHD scan the disc and say it is open (takes 30-60sec) - at this point the Disc is available to the OS in an unencrypted form any anything (even explorer should be able to copy it).
- The use MC to copy the disc (as I do with Blu Ray and Anydvd)
I set this off last night but this morning it had failed 20% of the way though. I'm trying this again now.
this is becoming a thread hijack, but I have a supported drive.
tried DeUhd trial on an older i5 machine. every single disc i inserted it reported it as not supported.
so i moved the drive over to my i7 htpc. installed the trial which interestingly did not prompt to register. wonder what info they scrapped to "know" i already registered? public IP address?
this time each disc i inserted did not report "unsupported" but that i had exceeded essentially (the english is poor) the "one disc limit" for the trial. which makes me wonder: would it have worked on the i7 htpc?
$233 is a lot to risk and so i'll let this thing hopefully mature a little. but i am hopeful.
now i'm doing deep scan of my PCs to ensure nothing funny was installed, and looking at network traffic.
maybe i'll route the PC through a wireless network on my cellular and see if it prompts to re-register.
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1st rip: done
- Slow (2.1MB/sec on 60GB = 8 Hours). It is only single threaded so the one core was maxed, if they can go multi threaded then there should be a good bump in speed. I could also kick up my clock speed for some gains but....
- I used MC to do the copying with DeUHD in the background doing the decrypting. MC copies all the content in the BDMV Folder (just like with a BD) and ignores the other Root Folders (Certificate and UHD! which is the DeUHD renamed AACS folder)
- No issues with MC importing, taging, playing.
2nd rip: Failed
- It was on their list of supported UHD BD but mine is obviously a different version
- Sent them the AACS folder so lets see
3rd rip: Underway
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3rd Rip : Done and working
4th Rip : Underway
I've also been chatting to the devs - intersting to see how it goes, esp the support for discs vers they do not have.... + need to get muti thread support as it is sooooo sloooooow.
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3rd Rip : Done and working
4th Rip : Underway
I've also been chatting to the devs - intersting to see how it goes, esp the support for discs vers they do not have.... + need to get muti thread support as it is sooooo sloooooow.
got it working. seems you can't hook up a SATA drive over USB using a USB<->SATA adapter.
slow but it actually works :)
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Good to see it is working for you as well. My ripping has come to and end for now:
- 23 Discs
- 6 Listed as supported on the DeUHD Website
- 3 of the 6 were actually supported by the app and these ripped / play fine.
Now to see how they go expanding the discs supported.
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DeUHD - For "fun" I checked again on the 3 disks that did not rip but are on their list and no luck yet. Then I tried one not on their list and it worked (currently ripping). This should be a fun disk to play with in MC / MadVR, as it is in 59.94fps (the only one I think so far released in HFR). Anyway, I'm guessing they must be adding titles progressively to their DB prior to their "updating the web site weekly" on new discs.
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jmone - thanks for the updates on ripping the UHD discs. Glad to hear it is at least kind of working. I'm not ready to spend that much on DeUHD yet but it is great to hear about it.
Maybe there should be a DeUHD thread?
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I probably should split the DeUHD stuff out, and also test the new version (claims to be faster among other things) + more discs are now listed as supported....but I'm away for a few days.
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Then I tried one not on their list and it worked (currently ripping). This should be a fun disk to play with in MC / MadVR, as it is in 59.94fps (the only one I think so far released in HFR).
Billy Lynn’s Long Halftime Walk?
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Yup
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Looks like an issue with EOS playing these back but JRemote is fine. Will need to test more when back at home.
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DeUHD added some more titles and is now up to 40. Planet Earth II is now on the list. I think I'm going to order a UHD player for my HTPC.
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Did some quick testing on Remotes playing these discs and I just don't think my current PC is up to the transcoding task (JRMark of 4K). Looking at a new build anyway, maybe the new i7-8700K (2 more cores and higher clock rates).
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Did some quick testing on Remotes playing these discs and I just don't think my current PC is up to the transcoding task (JRMark of 4K). Looking at a new build anyway, maybe the new i7-8700K (2 more cores and higher clock rates).
Wait, what? You want play full UHD 4k rips on a tablet?
Brian.
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had no issues playing back guardians of the galaxy 2 with hdr through jriver. nice.
now the question is how to purchase the full license. need to see if i can get a one time use credit card number as their site seems to not use https.
noticed they are adding duplicate titles, i assume because some titles have different keys in different regions or due to different distribution companies
dont update your drive firmware!
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dont update your drive firmware!
Please explain.
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Please explain.
well we dont know how they did it. but since intel sgx is not required but specific drives are i suspect they have found a way to exploit these drives
who knows if it can be defeated with firmware. so for those of us who have this working i would keep things constant
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Wait, what? You want play full UHD 4k rips on a tablet?
Brian.
Sure - Have a library with all the content on it. Clients that can access the library are Library Server clients, DLNA devices, Tablets, Phones etc. Would prefer to have ONE version of the video and let MC transcode to lower quality when needed. Seems that the transcoding of the UHD BD 4k H265 material is just harder on my MC Server than the BD 1080p H264 stuff.
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It just seems rather umm.. well.. kinda ridiculous to watch such ULTRA resolution content, intentionally transcoded and streamed over a network, to a tiny little handheld device.
I guess I'm old now. Damn, darn, darn. :)
Brian.
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Sorry, I probably did not explain this well. I have the following players:
- 4K PJ / 125" Screen fed by high end HTPC / Media Client Server running med/high quality settings
- 4K OLED / 65" Screen fed by high end HTPC / Media Client Server running med/high quality settings
- Couple of old 1080p TVs fed by low end HTPC / Media Client Server running low/med quality settings
- Cheapie 48" 4K TV using DLNA (remotes)
- Various Tablets / Phones etc using DLNA (remotes)
Ideally you want a single source that can play to all devices (as apposed to having different versions for each one). MC's allows you to do this thanks to the transcoding engine. So I will rip the "best" available (eg UHD BD) and it will look great on the Library Server clients playing the 1:1 version. Other devices can still access the content but it will be transcoded as needed.
So it is not about "watching ULTRA res content on a tiny hand held device" but just about watching content on any device at the format that works best for it.
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well we dont know how they did it. but since intel sgx is not required but specific drives are i suspect they have found a way to exploit these drives
who knows if it can be defeated with firmware. so for those of us who have this working i would keep things constant
It's more likely they have a software player (or rooted hardware player) they managed to exploit and get title keys out of that - hence the need to support individual discs one by one. Your own drive would not really matter for that, as long as it's UHD BD compatible.
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- 4K PJ / 125" Screen fed by high end HTPC / Media Client Server running med/high quality settings
Why not full quality? Or does that setting (med/high) somehow mean "full quality" with no transcoding?
Ideally you want a single source that can play to all devices (as apposed to having different versions for each one). MC's allows you to do this thanks to the transcoding engine. So I will rip the "best" available (eg UHD BD) and it will look great on the Library Server clients playing the 1:1 version. Other devices can still access the content but it will be transcoded as needed.
So it is not about "watching ULTRA res content on a tiny hand held device" but just about watching content on any device at the format that works best for it.
I get the overall aim. I just don't get why anyone would choose to watch video on a tiny little tablet. Especially when you have SO MANY big displays! Your kids maybe? Even that I don't understand. I feel like parents have pushed kids into being tablet consumers because they don't want to deal with their kids video choices. But I guess that's none of my business anyway.
Brian.
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As commercial video is all a "lossy" encode there is no "Full Quality" as such. The HTPCs play the 1:1 (non transcoded) files but the video rendering (aka madVR settings) can require some some serious GPU grunt as you increase the quality settings (better algorithms). Some of my HTPC have stronger GPUs then others so I have different settings to take that into account (or you start getting stuttering as they can not keep up).
The DLNA devices (one TV, bunch of tables/phones) on the other hand all take a transcoded stream from MC Server where you have a few choices of profiles (none of which are 4K by the way). These MC Profiles work well for such devices and are great for casual viewing (eg I have the cheapie 4K TV in front of the running machine so the "Walking Dead" can keep me going - it does not need anything better than a transcoded stream for this purpose). Also, I can not believe how much video content the kids watch on their phones/tablets (most from the net) so it keeps the MC library accessible to them on their "favourite" device.
The best analogy I can suggest is that you may have a FLAC library of music but then sync or play this using MP3 to devices like phones, or wireless speakers for casual listening but you want the FLAC for your HiFi setup as well.
EDIT: Better Analogy: Think of MC Server like an InHome Netflix Server. You find your title and press play and it will then play in the most appropriate format/quality for the particular device (be it an HTPC, TV, Tablet, Phone etc). MC does this pretty well! To do this you want the best quality master you can get to cater for all the possibilities.
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It's more likely they have a software player (or rooted hardware player) they managed to exploit and get title keys out of that - hence the need to support individual discs one by one. Your own drive would not really matter for that, as long as it's UHD BD compatible.
I agree, this exploit seems to be in two parts:
- They have pre sniffed out title keys from discs (then package this for sale in their app), but it also needs the customers to have a:
- particular ODD that can see the content on the UHD BD (most UHD ODD have an encryption chip to prevent access to the content from non authorised SW). This is why my PIO UHD BD drives are not (currently) supported and they recommend not updating the BIOS on the supported drives.
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As commercial video is all a "lossy" encode there is no "Full Quality" as such.
I'm pretty conversant in video and audio formats and am familiar with the compression that's been used on optical media since DVD, then BD, and now UHD.
The HTPCs play the 1:1 (non transcoded) files but the video rendering (aka madVR settings) can require some some serious GPU grunt as you increase the quality settings (better algorithms). Some of my HTPC have stronger GPUs then others so I have different settings to take that into account (or you start getting stuttering as they can not keep up).
Interesting. Since I don't run MC on a Windows box, I have no access to this and have not researched it. I'm guessing that the GPU power you refer to and the algorithms are related to scaling and possibly changing frame rate? Because decoding even H.265 really isn't that processor intensive. Even my 2011 Macbook Pro has no problem with 1080 H.265. Has to be scaling and/or frame rate conversion. Or other more advanced post processing that I'm forgetting or simply don't know about.
The best analogy I can suggest is that you may have a FLAC library of music but then sync or play this using MP3 to devices like phones, or wireless speakers for casual listening but you want the FLAC for your HiFi setup as well.
As I said before, I understand the aim of "store highest quality version and transcode as necessary for target device." I'd rather just deliver native to everything and that's how I do it in my VERY limited way. As I add devices, I may find that this doesn't work so well. We'll see. :)
Thanks for the discussion. Sorry about hijacking/forking your thread.
Brian.
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Because decoding even H.265 really isn't that processor intensive.
You seem to have not dealt with 4k 10-bit content, like on UHD BDs, yet. Or even better, high-frame rate content! :)
Without hardware decoding, you're probably out of luck on most consumer systems.
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^ You'll note that I qualified my statement as 1080. Not UHD. I've played 1080 at 60Hz and it didn't seem to have any problems. Though I think that was H.264 actually, not H.265. I have very limited exposure to H.265. I've just played a few dozen files; all at 1080/30 or 1080/24.
I suppose you have a very valid point here in that I don't think I've ever played 4k video on any of my systems. I don't have access to any 4k content (other than demo stuff I could go find I guess).
Brian.
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Check this out from one of the rips - 4K 60fps and with the audio tracks it hits 100Mb/s data rate!
Format : HEVC
Format/Info : High Efficiency Video Coding
Format profile : Main 10@L5.1@High
Codec ID : 36
Duration : 1 h 52 min
Bit rate : 91.8 Mb/s
Width : 3 840 pixels
Height : 2 160 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 59.940 (60000/1001) FPS
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0 (Type 2)
Bit depth : 10 bits
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.185
Stream size : 72.3 GiB (92%)
Color range : Limited
Color primaries : BT.2020
Transfer characteristics : SMPTE ST 2084
Matrix coefficients : BT.2020 non-constant
Mastering display color primaries : R: x=0.680000 y=0.320000, G: x=0.265000 y=0.690000, B: x=0.150000 y=0.060000, White point: x=0.312700 y=0.329000
Mastering display luminance : min: 0.0050 cd/m2, max: 4000.0000 cd/m2
Maximum Content Light Level : 2086 cd/m2
Maximum Frame-Average Light Level : 997 cd/m2
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So I run into two different performance limits:
1) Clients: Decoding and (standard - RO Std) rendering is not to bad on modern systems if the have the supported HW Acceleration required for the 264 or 265 and a reasonable GPU. For example I can play the above video just fine on my old i7-3770K and GTX960 in RO Std (though it is pretty maxed out). Gets tougher setups if you don't HW Decoding. Rendering using ROHQ (MadVR) is another step up as it lets you then pick various algorithms for scaling Luma/Chroma and it is easy for me to drive the GTX1070 in my HTPC into the dirt on some content. Even with all that, compute power there is still bandwidth limits to HDMI. For example I've had to set my GPU to output 4:2:0 instead of RGB to keep the bandwidth under the 18Gb/s limit of HDMI 2 to accommodate files such as the one above.
2) Serving: No issues with my HTPC Media Server Clients as they are just accessing the file share on the server. DLNA / Remote clients need my server to transcode and while the i7-3770K/GTX960 can play these files fine, 265 UHD BD transcoding is just too much for it with a pause every few seconds (hence why I'm looking at upgrading this box to a newer CPU/GPU Combo). I'm not sure why the i7-3770K/GTX960 struggles on transcoding this content as the CPU and GPU utilisation is not that high, maybe the library used for transcoding is not as fast as that for playback ?
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I'm not sure why the i7-3770K/GTX960 struggles on transcoding this content as the CPU and GPU utilisation is not that high, maybe the library used for transcoding is not as fast as that for playback ?
This is a bit of a worry. If the CPU and GPU utilisation isn't the problem, what is being maxed out? Memory? Files or OS Handles or something?
If your "old i7-3770K" can't handle it, what chance has my Intel Core i5-3570K got, or most of the PC hardware out there? Maybe my NVidia MSI GeForce GTX 1060 helps, but it can only do so much.
I ask because I do see some apparent limitations of using a PC for media, more so since MC23, but I don't see any reason for it. An AU$250 Samsung UHD BD player can handle it all. What is happening in PCs that loads them so much?
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This PC can Play the UHD BD (265) content just fine but for some reason it can not transcode it fast enough when doing it's server duties (eg it is writing the temp files in just under real time). I've looked at Resource Monitor and don't see anything obviously maxed out. It has to be something to do specifically with the UHD BD (265)-->AVC Profile transcoding process as I have no issues with BD (264)--> AVC Profile YET the CPU/GPU utilisation are both higher when transcoding std BD (264) than with UHD (265) source material.
- BD Streaming : High Initial CPU and GPU use as the Temp file is created and the first bunch of data is added (much faster than real time). CPU and GPU use then drops off and then jumps again as the next bunch of data is added. The Temp file buffers a few more minutes than is needed. Plays fine in the Remote
- UHD BD Streaming : GPU = Steady 34% (but Maximum Frequency = 105%) CPU = Steady 25% but the temp file is being expanded in 5 sec (ish) batches but as it takes longer than 5 sec to create it, so the player starts playing, pauses, plays, pauses. The CPU / GPU usage does not seem to change. If I pause playback the buffered temp file keeps growing but if I press play I soon catchup to where it has buffered and playback pauses.
Maybe Hendrik has a clue.
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Its quite possible that downscaling the 4K to lower resolution is holding it back. When transcoding, its done on the CPU and its single-threaded, so it wouldn't show up as maxing out the full CPU.
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I can see one CPU thread getting hammered but on average it is still only 60-70% ish. I also see GPU being used. Any suggestions on tweaks or is higher frequency the only answer?
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Even with all that, compute power there is still bandwidth limits to HDMI. For example I've had to set my GPU to output 4:2:0 instead of RGB to keep the bandwidth under the 18Gb/s limit of HDMI 2 to accommodate files such as the one above.
4k@60Hz RGB should work in 8-bit over HDMI. Using 8-bit instead of 10 should really yield a much better image then using 10-bit and 4:2:0 chroma - especially with madVR. Additionally, 4:2:2 10-bit should also work, no reason to use 4:2:0 here.
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Oddly - 4k@60Hz RGB 8-bit gives me a green image on my PJ but looks fine on my OLED. As a result I've set my PJ HTPC output to 4:2:2 12 Bit (auto frame rate change) and it looks goods (sorry my mistake saying 4:2:0 - just used to the madVR OSD display on the source file).
As per the discussion in this thread - https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,110835.0.html
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Mmmmm - this is not good. I'm re-ripping 2 x Discs that have errors on the rip. One has visible corruption at one point and another drops enough data that the video stops playing all together (though you can seek past the point). I'm going to e-mail the devs,
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This is like reading Soul of a New Machine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Soul_of_a_New_Machine).
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This is like reading Soul of a New Machine.
How true....
"A running theme in the book is the tension between engineering quality and time to market" (Wikipedia)
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I've suggested that they consider publishing a checksum as well so we can tell if a rip is accurate or not.
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Oddly - 4k@60Hz RGB 8-bit gives me a green image on my PJ but looks fine on my OLED.
JVC projectors require 10-bit or 12-bit when receiving HDR.
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It's more likely they have a software player (or rooted hardware player) they managed to exploit and get title keys out of that - hence the need to support individual discs one by one. Your own drive would not really matter for that, as long as it's UHD BD compatible.
could be.
i was thinking this similar to the SACD crack where certain bluray players with a specific mediatek chipset allowed bypassing the copy protection. this works great with the oppo 103 and 105 series as well as some other brands.
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Mmmmm - this is not good. I'm re-ripping 2 x Discs that have errors on the rip. One has visible corruption at one point and another drops enough data that the video stops playing all together (though you can seek past the point). I'm going to e-mail the devs,
are the two points where this happens consistent and the same each time you playback?
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JVC projectors require 10-bit or 12-bit when receiving HDR.
Thanks - that explains it.
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could be.
i was thinking this similar to the SACD crack where certain bluray players with a specific mediatek chipset allowed bypassing the copy protection. this works great with the oppo 103 and 105 series as well as some other brands.
Yup - 2 parts are required. First is to access the data on the drive (eg like your SACD crack) ... but this data is still encrypted. The 2nd part is to then decrypt the now accessible data. DeUHD can do the first part for selected drives and the 2nd part for selected discs.
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are the two points where this happens consistent and the same each time you playback?
Yes. I've now re-ripped the two discs and the good news is the errors are not in the places I saw before. The bad news is that Life still seems to stop playing but at a slightly different location. I guess I'll need to play every one to see if it is a clean rip. PITA.
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What you're doing might be a PITA but I for one am really glad you're doing it and posting it. I really want my UHD discs on the NAS one day.
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My LG LG WH16NS60 UHD drive arrived yesterday and am testing right now. JRiver is ripping at 4.1 MB/sec.
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My LG LG WH16NS60 UHD drive arrived yesterday and am testing right now. JRiver is ripping at 4.1 MB/sec.
have the exact same drive. originally i had it hooked up via USB using an adapter. everything failed. over SATA it works.
So far I have ripped 3 of 7 titles; all 7 are on their list, so YMMV.
of the three, I will re-rip one as it had audio dropout (which may just be JRiver?) but it would not remux into an mkv. mkvtoolsnix reported a parsing error on the video about 2/3 into the remuxing.
i think remuxing may be a "good" way to verify the video and audio ripped correctly.
there needs to be a database of more details re: which versions of these discs actually are supported. their site is vague and if i go by their info i should have more success.
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have the exact same drive. originally i had it hooked up via USB using an adapter. everything failed. over SATA it works.
Adapters are a bit iffy. If you want an external drive, you should get an actual external drive, those usually work.
DeUHD even has two external USB drives in their supported listing.
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In my re-rip tests I've found MD5 mismatches on some of my discs :( I've also contacted DeUHD Support to see what they say but have not heard back (and also asked if they could post the MD5 of the main M2TS).
How I'm testing is to re-rip the discs and see if they have the same MD5 for the main M2TS. I know that this method is only checking the main file but I'm not sure if there is a way of generating a single CheckSum for an entire folder set rather than one for each file in the folder set. The authors of DeUHD really need to think on how to ensure rips are "good". In the interium, I've suggested to the MYCE admin that a stickie on their DeUHD Thread (https://club.myce.com/c/movie-copy-software/deuhd) allowing users to publish the "good rip" MD5 hashs would help.
Due to the ripping speed progress is slow....
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I know that this method is only checking the main file but I'm not sure if there is a way of generating a single CheckSum for an entire folder set rather than one for each file in the folder set.
if you list the files in a predictable order and generate an output which is the path to the file + the md5 then pipe that output to md5
this gives you a hash that should only change if the contents of any individual file are different (or if the file lists are different) and hence can be used to compare entire trees of files
I can give you a unix find command to do this, dunno about windows.
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Would need to be Windows (as DeUHD is windows app) - I'm also doing a compare now using Free File Sync to see if the contents are the same but this does not generate a BitSum for others to use.
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Would need to be Windows (as DeUHD is windows app) - I'm also doing a compare now using Free File Sync to see if the contents are the same but this does not generate a BitSum for others to use.
if the m2ts are encrypted and you md5 that and compare to the decrypted md5 they should not equal.
i found that two of the three would remux into an mkv. the third i am re-ripping. it would not mux into mkv. wonder if that is a cheap way to validate the rip....
in any case guardians of galaxy 2 seems to be ripping differently. at least the first 50%. it has slowed way down on next 50. software has a way to go it seems.
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I'm comparing multiple rips to verify they are correct. Some are not
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my second rip of guardians was successful remuxing into an mkv
so in sum, 3 of 7 that i have and are listed on their site rip'd successfully
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Would need to be Windows (as DeUHD is windows app) - I'm also doing a compare now using Free File Sync to see if the contents are the same but this does not generate a BitSum for others to use.
this is the basic idea in powershell
Get-ChildItem -Filter *.wav -Recurse $pwd | Get-FileHash -Algorithm MD5 | Out-File hash.details
so list all files under the current directory, generate an md5 for each one and dump the output to a file named hash.details
this gives output like
PS C:\Users\mattk\Documents> cat .\hash.detail
Algorithm Hash Path
--------- ---- ----
MD5 05DEB2EAE5D3A7645CB56F50713CB2E7 C:\Users\mattk\Documents\HPF.wav
MD5 EB27DBC3CB568D01C58CB576581E907B C:\Users\mattk\Documents\impu...
you can then do
Get-FileHash -Algorithm MD5 .\hash.detail
to get a single hash
note that this implementation can't be used to compare 2 separate directories because the output path in the file is an absolute path. I imagine this can be changed easily enough to a relative path. It is useful to have a detailed list of hashes as well as then you can diff 2 such files to see what is different.
edit: actually the answers to this Q look like they'll do what you want https://stackoverflow.com/questions/25315329/powershell-comparing-filehash-and-outputting-files
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Anyone else using DeUHD make sure you create a restore point. If it crashes it can take out your lower level filter drivers for optical devices and leave them in a state where they are unusable. Uninstallation of DeUHD and effected drives wasn't able to fix the problem I got yesterday.
I got this error yesterday and had to resort to a restore point to get optical drives working again.
windows cannot start this hardware device because its configuration information (in the registry) is incomplete or damaged. (code 19)
Everything's all-good now though after the restore.
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My first rip works fine on the section I checked. I'm doing another one right now. Speed is consistent at 4.1 MB/sec and JRiver estimates it will take 4 hours to rip.
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My first rip works fine on the section I checked. I'm doing another one right now. Speed is consistent at 4.1 MB/sec and JRiver estimates it will take 4 hours to rip.
that is about same speed i had.
one title took about 6-7 hours. the other two about 4-5
i didnt rip via jriver. just used their software to do it
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Latest version is up and they've updated with a few more discs. One of them is a disk I sent a AACS for a couple days ago.
I'm trying something different and copying the main m2ts via explorer to HDD. Copying at 2.88MB/s and says 3 hour copy for a 88GB file. edit: looks like 8 hours now.
PS: Interestingly - if you start a rip in MC23 while copying with explorer the rip in MC is @ 2.4MB/s and explorer copy is unchanged @ 2.88MB/s. CPU usage however has doubled.
So it seems while it's single threaded it can handle multiple files being copied at once, each getting it's own thread.
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i’m 4 for 8 now
have not retried any of the 4 failures yet. will do so this evening
i did not know i could just grab the main file and copy it that way. hoping makemkv release is out soon as mike says it’ll work with deuhd
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Re-scanned all my discs and no new ones supported for me :( On my verification rips I 3/5 had issues - Updated the MD5 Post here - https://club.myce.com/t/verified-md5-checksums-of-the-a-correct-working-main-m2ts/399333/3
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i hit 5 for 9. cant say i verified each but i do know that all remuxed into mkv without error. with the one confirmed failure i had it would not remux, so i am using that at least as anecdotal evidence that the main title is good
that failure worked fine second timei rip’d
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My Transformers last knight rip had corruption at 50mins, the rest was fine. I'll rerip and check with a remux.
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7 of my 23 UHD BD are now supported. Getting Better.
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7 of my 23 UHD BD are now supported. Getting Better.
of 15 for me 12 worked. waiting for the next round on monday plus new release
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Looking forward to the new version.... reported to be much quicker (I'm guessing multi core).
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New version is much much quicker (still single core) but ... 14+MB/s!!! Rip a UHD in 1hour ish now :) https://www.deuhd.ru/download/DeUHD1004.exe
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The latest version now supports over half of my discs. Rip speed is around 1:15 per disc and the quality is getting better (still some rip errors so I dual rip everything then bitsum check the results to be sure).
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Thanks for keeping us updated.
I'm still holding out for a more robust solution, but hopefully something on the scale of AnyDVD is not too far away.
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I ripped Sully today in 55 minutes. JRiver showed 16.1 MB/sec during the rip. I also found that I can now play directly from the UHD Blu-ray and don't need to rip it.
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It is much improved for speed (as you say better than real time). Also, so far of my 31 discs 17 can be decrypted. Each week gets better and they seem to have a process of being able to support new versions of disks with user contributed data. Their "daily limits" (2 rips and about 10 scans per day) is a PITA. I'm now trying to buy only UHD BD.
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Hold on, you can only rip 2 discs per day?
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Yup - I've seen a couple of discussion "why". One is to stop pirates mass ripping and releasing. The other is that for each disc it downloads a 150mb (ish) file and they want to even out their server load. It is a PITA but given the weekly release is only a dozen or so new discs it kind of works but ... no go to the shops on the weekend, buy an armful then spend the arvo ripping them.
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OK, the server load I kinda get but the anti-piracy excuse is nonsense. That excuse is always nonsense.
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22 out of 34 now ;D
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For the people not reading all BD UHD news like it's a way of life -> ripping with MakeMKV works now (72 tiles vs 125 of DeUHD as of right now). Free, fast, no CPU load ...
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Just ripped my first one using MakeMKV.
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I've hit 22MB/s on The Shallows. Underworld Blood Wars, Salt aimed for almost the same speed. The Martian Extended Cut seemed locked at ~8.9MB/s (2x speed). LG WH16NS40.
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It does seem to only support UHD "Friendly" drives like my BH16NS55 not my UHD "Official" BU40N one. Speed as you say is better as well. Good to see alternative sources opening up.
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I would not like to close this thread, but you're putting JRiver at risk in discussing circumvention of copyright protection mechanisms.
I've deleted and edited above.
I understand that you're ripping for convenience and not for piracy.
Sorry to be the voice of Big Brother.
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Not at all. Feel free to delete / edit as needed.
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FYI - the next beta version of AnyDVD HD will also support the same method as MakeMKV (and the list of titles supported with this method is growing)
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Interesting news. One thing however I do not understand: you are using normal Blu Ray players, possible? Would not you need a specific BD-UHD player?
I have a Liteon IhOS104
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You do need specific drives - lots of info at https://club.myce.com/c/movie-copy-software/deuhd
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Thanks for the tip. But I do not see external units, are not there any? And an external BD-UHD Pioneer is fine?
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Nope to the Pio. You need something like the LG BE16NU50 or put one of the internals into a external case (but the chipset has to be correct). Here is the article - https://www.myce.com/news/the-ultimate-ultra-hd-blu-ray-list-with-recommendation-of-best-drive-83254/ which includes a link to the forum discussion on these drives.
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FYI - the next beta version of AnyDVD HD will also support the same method as MakeMKV (and the list of titles supported with this method is growing)
I just went there and the beta build was posted 5 minutes ago. :)
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Can't wait to try and compare the output.... when I'm back that is :(
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There is only one key available for the movies I have but after getting the recommended Asus drive I was able to rip it easily. I really hope these keys keep coming out. Before I realized only one key was available I started going down the "which video card is right for me?" rabbit hole so I could actually play it back. That is a dark hole to go down.
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...and a dark hole I gave up on. I did an entire HTPC build to play UHD using PowerDVD this year but could never get it to work. Gave Up. + PDVD is certainly not my choice of SW. MC / LAV / madVR looks great on the big screen with this content.
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I did an entire HTPC build to play UHD using PowerDVD this year but could never get it to work. Gave Up. + PDVD is certainly not my choice of SW.
It is so crippled by DRM, even for DVDs and normal Blu-rays.
I decided to watch a Blu-ray using PDVD 16 recently.
On inserting the disc, PDVD told me it needed a patch to support the newer disc. No problem. Quite normal. I let the patch install.
PDVD said it still couldn't play the disc, and that it needed access to the internet to get new disc data to play. Nothing would make it find the internet. ?
So I checked for updates. Yep, there is one available. It wanted me to upgrade, for a really cheap heavily discounted price (NOT). No thanks, just apply the update. Okay. Done.
PDVD said it still couldn't play the disc, and that it needed access to the internet to get new disc data to play. Nothing would make it find the internet. :'(
But it offered two other ways to get the code that it needed to play the disc. Here is a URL to a page that will give you the code. Der, a web page needs internet access!
Opened said web page. Tried to copy the code so that I could paste it into PDVD. Nope, that page doesn't allow copying the code. So I had to rearrange PDVD and Chrome so that I could see the code and key it into PDVD, using my IR Remote because PDVD couldn't use the keyboard for input (!) then PDVD let me play the disc. >:(
But DRM is protecting the industry from piracy and saving lots of jobs in the process, with little to no inconvenience to users at all. ::)
Yeah. It took me at least 15 minutes to go through the above, whereas if I had just played the disc with MC it would have worked immediately. But I wanted to explore the Blu-ray menu on this particular disc. Sigh.
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Prior to being able to play UHD in MC, I gave up on PC based UHD playback and just bought an XBoxOne S. Cheap for a BD player and it worked. The problem is managing all the physical discs. Thankfully we now have some solutions :)
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Yeah. It took me at least 15 minutes to go through the above, whereas if I had just played the disc with MC it would have worked immediately. But I wanted to explore the Blu-ray menu on this particular disc. Sigh.
Great story. It's similar to the working conditions we're faced with. Restrictions on content everywhere.
Maybe it's just entropy, the world getting more complex all the time.
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Hey Hendrik, Not sure if you are playing with UHD yet... but there a couple of rips where the ATMOS bitstream seems to drop out. An example is “Pirates of the Caribbean - Dean Men Tell No Tales” with the ATMOS tack dropping out a couple of times between 17:45 and 19:00 minutes into the movie and it is the same spot for multiple people. The original disc in a XBoxOneS has not issue. Some of these users think it is due to the high bitrate on these discs, but I'm not sure how to debug the issue. eac3to can demux these without errors. Any ideas?
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...and a dark hole I gave up on. I did an entire HTPC build to play UHD using PowerDVD this year but could never get it to work. Gave Up. + PDVD is certainly not my choice of SW. MC / LAV / madVR looks great on the big screen with this content.
I ripped using MakeMKV. It seems like the UHD video would play like any other movie I have if only my HTPC wasn't so old. If more of my movie keys pop up I'll look into upgrading then.
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For future reference, I don't see dolby atmos listed as a supported format for PDVD 17. This is bad for me because i was planning to grab a copy but now I'm not sure. Here is the link. MC can bitstream a dolby atmos track from a copied BR UHD disc into a receiver, correct? Here is a link to the PDVD page. https://www.cyberlink.com/products/powerdvd-ultra/compare-versions_en_US.html?&r=1 I would also love the ability to just pop in a disc and play a movie on the HTPC but it looks like I'll have to use my buggy xbox for a while longer.
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MC does play ATMOS/DTS:X as long as you are setup to bitstream.
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So, if I understand correctly, to be able to see the BD-UHD we currently need a "friendly" optical reader and the latest version of AnyDVD HD. Then the disk is copied to the PC using "Rip Disc" by JRiver to then be viewed directly from the PC: is it correct?
To be able to see it directly as it happens today with BD, we have to wait AnyDVD BDUHD to which we will have to add a BDUHD optical reader, right?
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Please read from the beginning of the thread:
https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,112653.0.html
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MC has the ability to play/import un-encrypted Bluray and UHD Bluray and import them into the library. If your aim is to backup and play your discs you first need a 3rd party program that will do the decryption for you. There are no "universal" tools that support all UHD BD discs at this time, though you do have a couple of options. You should see their websites for what it costs, what discs they support, and what Optical Drives are required, try googling;
- DeUHD
- AnyDVD HD
If either of these are running in the background and you insert your UHD BD into a supported Optical Disc Drive, after a short period they will be presented as an un-encrypted disc and MC will pop up asking if you want to rip/import it to your HDD.
Another option is to use MakeMKV to do the rip to your HDD which you can then import into MC (either as a 100% Folder Structure or as an MKV).
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jmone,
How about moving that post to a new thread and locking this one? Or at least pointing to the new one?
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I've updated the OP - how does that look?
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Looks good, but the following posts will lead new readers down a twisting path. A separate thread with cross links would be cleaner, in my opinion.
But you're in charge.
Thanks.
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Ack. Lets see how it goes. If it turns pear shaped I'll close this and start a new thread.
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Never underestimate the power of verbosity.
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This will make many UHD owners happy.
MakeMKV’s new ‘hashed keys’ feature promises free, unlimited, ripping of Ultra HD Blu-ray discs (https://www.myce.com/news/makemkvs-new-hashed-keys-feature-promises-free-unlimited-ripping-of-ultra-hd-blu-ray-discs-83455/)
Starting from version 1.10.8 MakeMKV can open an UHD disc using a “friendly” drive, provided a decryption key is known for the disc. MakeMKV contains no AACS2.0 keys, so it requires a disc key to be supplied by the user. From the very first days of blu-ray the de-facto standard for blu-ray disc key management was libaacs KEYDB.cfg file format. MakeMKV (as many other applications) can read key files in that format to decrypt regular and UHD blu-ray discs. Unfortunately, when this file format was defined almost 10 years ago, assumptions were made about AACS system that are no longer valid today.
Starting from version 1.10.9 MakeMKV supports additional key format, called “hashed keys”. This format is superior to KEYDB.cfg file format, as entries are smaller, have integrity checking, much faster to verify and have few other good properties. The downside is that this file format is MakeMKV-specific, no other software can read files in this format so far. The same key can always be encoded as KEYDB.cfg key or as a hashed key, it is just that the latter is more efficient. Because both KEYDB.cfg and hashed keys are text files, the rules to use them are same – just download the relevant text file and put it into MakeMKV data directory. Having a disc key (encoded as KEYDB.cfg or as hashed key) allows one to open the corresponding UHD disc in MakeMKV.
Now, thanks to few heroic individuals and a big magic crystal ball, keys for some UHD discs are available. The keyfile can be downloaded at http://s000.tinyupload.com/?file_id=05962162787401969656 . This keyfile includes all doom9 UHD keys as well, so this is the one ultimate file you have to put into MakeMKV data directory. As a reminder, if a disk key is not known then protected disc will fail to open. MakeMKV will save a disc dump in this case, called "AACS dump". Please send these dumps to svq@makemkv.com .
http://www.makemkv.com/forum2/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=16959
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I have the flu and I'm a little cloudy on this. It won't be part of the MakeMKV download. We still need to download this new hashed key file every time new keys come out right?
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Yes. It's not hard, it's just a txt file.
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Ok, just making sure.
I ripped a few discs today with the latest version and the new hashed keys. I just can't get Wonder Woman to open.
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Send in your logs to MakeMKV. Apparently the turnaround is 24-hours
Edit - a new hashed key file seems to be posted daily
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One thing is not clear to me: how do I know what the firmware version of "friendly" optical reader is before buying it? If it's the next one, you can not go back right?
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Ok, just making sure.
I ripped a few discs today with the latest version and the new hashed keys. I just can't get Wonder Woman to open.
Maybe the title in the volume key or hashed key not for your area.
I have no issues with wonder woman here. Ripped with an Asus BW-16D1HT. 3.00
Send your dump to Mike.
George
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A 3rd Wonder Woman key showed up in the latest hash file and it worked for me. I now have all of my UHD's ripped.
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One thing is not clear to me: how do I know what the firmware version of "friendly" optical reader is before buying it? If it's the next one, you can not go back right?
If you are buying from a store you can have a look at the sticker on the drive itself which will normally tell you the firmware. Otherwise, you are probably still safe for now as the newer firmware has only been posted online, I've not heard of anyone buying one with updated firmware pre-installed (but it will come). There is also this discussion (https://www.myce.com/news/user-posts-method-downgrade-firmware-lg-xxxxns40-ns55-blu-ray-writers-asus-rebadges-83379/)on how to downgrade the firmware.
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Updated the OP. The latest Beta of AnyDVD HD now also supports UHD directly (does not use the leaked VUK keys anymore). As with the others, it appears to support most but not all discs.
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Is triple layer reading (if that's a thing) something to look out for on friendly drives or are they all capable?
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I'm thinking of getting an Asus BW-16D1HT-PRO from Scorptec, as it's recommended as a friendly drive. The Asus website doesn't seem to say it will play a UHD disc, whereas some of the LG ones do. Am I missing something? Also wondering how to check firmware before buying (picture of label attached)
Thanks
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Should be good. I don't know about the "Pro" designation. I purchased my drives from Scorptech as well but went the LG as it was a bit cheaper (and it is the same drive that I've now cross flashed with the ASUS firmware). Note: I've had one drive die already with errors reading discs.
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Huh, I thought the "Pro" designation was the external USB drive, as that's all I can seem to find here under that name.
I have a pair of the non-Pro ASUS drives on firmware 3.02 with AnyDVD and haven't run into any issues yet.
One of my drives is marked as having M-Disc support and the other is not, but I can't find any software which will verify whether or not the drive can burn to M-Discs.
My older Pioneer BDXL drive can't read the discs at all, just spins indefinitely and ejects when I try to access the drive in Windows.
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Should be good. I don't know about the "Pro" designation. I purchased my drives from Scorptech as well but went the LG as it was a bit cheaper (and it is the same drive that I've now cross flashed with the ASUS firmware). Note: I've had one drive die already with errors reading discs.
Thanks for that. Looks like an October 17 drive so hoping that's old enough for older firmware (I've read the flashing instructions and wouldn't know quite what I'm doing!). The irony is I have this drive already but from way back (2013 maybe) and it does not recognise UHD.
Will this PRO one read triple layer discs do you think?
Cheers
Z
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It's Oct 2017 so you are all good to go on the firmware side. I've had no issues with reading UHD 100GB discs
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I have this drive already but from way back (2013 maybe) and it does not recognise UHD.
Have you tried updating its firmware?
This is Firmware 3.02 (MD5: 2b0cb8a7631618511d8ab101d9ab845e ) which is the latest working version. (http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/ODD/Blu-ray/BW-16D1HT/ASUS_Website_FW_Updater_For_BW_16D1HT.zip)
Will this PRO one read triple layer discs do you think?
The non-Pro reads them too.
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Have you tried updating its firmware?
This is Firmware 3.02 (MD5: 2b0cb8a7631618511d8ab101d9ab845e ) which is the latest working version. (http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/ODD/Blu-ray/BW-16D1HT/ASUS_Website_FW_Updater_For_BW_16D1HT.zip)
The non-Pro reads them too.
I assumed my drive was old and different hardware. But I should try. Is upgrading the firmware easy? Not done that before. Will it load on to the drive?
Really really appreciate your help.
Z
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I assumed my drive was old and different hardware. But I should try. Is upgrading the firmware easy? Not done that before. Will it load on to the drive?
If it's the same model, it should work. There should be protections in place to prevent you flashing it to an incompatible drive.
It's shockingly easy actually. Run the program and select a drive, it ejects the tray and updates in a matter of seconds. Didn't even require admin permissions.
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I assumed my drive was old and different hardware. But I should try. Is upgrading the firmware easy? Not done that before. Will it load on to the drive?
I have tried your file and the 3.02 on the Asus website. each time it says my drive is up to date - but clearly there is a prob as it wont recognise the disc. think i'll have to buy one!
thanks for trying to help
Z
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Thanks for all the good information here. I just picked up a couple friendly drives and my first 4k disc. It was simple to rip using MakeMKV.
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Hey guys
I’ve updated MC to the latest LAV Nightly buy downloading and installing to support UMD playback but I’m still not able to play any. Is there any setting that I need to change? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you
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Did you read the first post here?
https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,112653.0.html
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Couple of Q (check the OP):
- Is the UHD unencrupted?
- Did you update the copy of lav in MC's directory?
- What msg do you get in MC?
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...also this manual update will not be needed in MC24 as it will ship with the latest version of LAV
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Couple of Q (check the OP):
- Is the UHD unencrupted?
- Did you update the copy of lave in MC's directory?
- What msg do you get in MC?
-Yes it’s unencrupted
-No I haven’t updated the copy in MC directory. How do I do this?
- “Something went wrong with playback” is the error message
Thank you
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Did you read the first post here?
https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,112653.0.html
Yup. I’m only having issues with playback.
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MC's private copy of LAV is in "C:\Users\[username]\AppData\Roaming\J River\Media Center 23\Plugins\lav64" (or just "\lav" if you are using the 32-Bit version of MC).
Copy the contents from the 32 or 64 bit folder from where you installed LAV into the one above. You should be good to go at that point.
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MC's private copy of LAV is in "C:\Users\[username]\AppData\Roaming\J River\Media Center 23\Plugins\lav64" (or just "\lav" if you are using the 32-Bit version of MC).
Copy the contents from the 32 or 64 bit folder from where you installed LAV into the one above. You should be good to go at that point.
Thank you sooooooooooooo much. It’s working perfectly now. :)
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It's pretty good! UHD BD that looks better than a stand alone player :)
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MC's private copy of LAV is in "C:\Users\[username]\AppData\Roaming\J River\Media Center 23\Plugins\lav64" (or just "\lav" if you are using the 32-Bit version of MC).
Copy the contents from the 32 or 64 bit folder from where you installed LAV into the one above. You should be good to go at that point.
Sorry, can you clarify please? Do we need to install MC24, copy the contents of ...\lav64 or ...\lav and paste into MC23? Where else do I get LAV?
Thanks
Z
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When MC24 is released it will just work as MC ships with the latest version of LAV Filters. If you are using MC23 you need to:
1) Download the latest version of either the 32-Bit or 64-Bit version of Lav from here Zips: 32-bit & 64-bit (https://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=156191)
2) Extract the contents and copy them into "C:\Users\[username]\AppData\Roaming\J River\Media Center 23\Plugins\lav64" (or just "\lav" if you are using the 32-Bit version of MC)
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It's pretty good! UHD BD that looks better than a stand alone player :)
I find it very frustrating that I'm locked out of viewing HDR content on my TV, whether that's services like Netflix or video games, when viewing UHD discs via Media Center at 400 nits is a significant improvement over native SDR content even if it's not "true HDR".
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When MC24 is released it will just work as MC ships with the latest version of LAV Filters. If you are using MC23 you need to:
1) Download the latest version of either the 32-Bit or 64-Bit version of Lav from here Zips: 32-bit & 64-bit (https://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=156191)
2) Extract the contents and copy them into "C:\Users\[username]\AppData\Roaming\J River\Media Center 23\Plugins\lav64" (or just "\lav" if you are using the 32-Bit version of MC)
Thanks. Successful rip if my blade runner 2049! I'm playing via GPU R9 270 to a 1080p tv, so assuming there is auto downscaling. I'll put the LAV in (presume 64bit for a 64bit system even though I run MC23 in 32bit?) as I noticed it was a bit jumpy.
Any other tweaks for playback.
Now to save up for a 4k tv!
Thanks
Z
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Nope - it you are running 32-Bit MC you need the 32-Bit LAV
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I am hoping to get some general advice on hardware for playing 4K rips.
I can currently play them fine, after changing a couple madvr settings, with the following setup:
- Intel Core i7-4770K Haswell Quad-Core 3.5 GHz LGA 1150 84W
- GeForce GTX 760 2GB 256-Bit GDDR5
- MC 23.102 64bit ROHQ
Is it recommended, or necessary, to be using one of the latest Intel CPU's that are designed for 4K?
Would upgrading to "ASUS Geforce GTX 1050Ti 4GB ROG STRIX OC Edition" while keeping my current CPU be beneficial for my system?
Thanks
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Your 760 does not support HW decoding of HEVC (which is what is used on UHD) while the 1050Ti does. I've got great millage over the years with my HTPCs by just upgrading the GPU every now and again. For example, my everyday HTPC is still an i7-2600K and last year I upgraded the GPU (again), this time to a 1060 (most powerful I could get for what the Shuttle's PSU could support). Works great on UHD with ROHQ.
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Thanks jmone.
I will proceed with the GPU upgrade.
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It will likely reduce the power consumption, but if your CPU is handling the content just fine, an upgrade isn't necessary.
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Also depends on the Algos you want to run in madVR. They can be very demanding of the GPU.
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I agree with the GPU upgrade. My i5 is probably 5 years old and with a new 1060 I'm running UHD rips with some decent settings.
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It will likely reduce the power consumption, but if your CPU is handling the content just fine, an upgrade isn't necessary.
My lights literally dimmed when I watched a 4k rip so I am hoping for reduced power consumption (I'm off grid). I don't think my CPU was handling it well, which is why I had to change some madvr settings. I ordered the new GPU. When I get it in a couple weeks I will post a comparison of my PC resources when using the different GPU's.
Thanks everyone for your input.
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GaryWW asked about how to identify UHD Rips in MC. You could tag them manually, but I've so far:
- VIEW: Created a "UHD" Std and TheaterView with a "Set rules for file Display" of [Dimensions]=[3840 x 2160]
- FILE INFO PANEL: See Pics but Under Tools--> Options--> TheaterView--> Customise file info panel--> (Select Movie)--> Manage/Edit then added the following expression under "Regular" if(isequal([Dimensions],3840 x 2160),[UHD],)if(isequal([File Type],3d,8),[3D],)[Name]Delimit(Watched(2), , / )
This will then add a [UHD] or [3D] prefeix to the name when in TheaterView views like "Recent"
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Instead of making it insert some prefixes is it possible for it to insert a logo like the one inserted for Bluray folder rips?
I would love to be able to put that logo in for my Bluray iso's and maybe uhd one for my uhd tips and then a 3D one for 3D iso's.
I already add tags to all my file names (e.g. [3D] [UHD] [HDR] etc) so would be easy to build the rules.
GaryWW asked about how to identify UHD Rips in MC. You could tag them manually, but I've so far:
- VIEW: Created a "UHD" Std and TheaterView with a "Set rules for file Display" of [Dimensions]=[3840 x 2160]
- FILE INFO PANEL: See Pics but Under Tools--> Options--> TheaterView--> Customise file info panel--> (Select Movie)--> Manage/Edit then added the following expression under "Regular" if(isequal([Dimensions],3840 x 2160),[UHD],)if(isequal([File Type],3d,8),[3D],)[Name]Delimit(Watched(2), , / )
This will then add a [UHD] or [3D] prefeix to the name when in TheaterView views like "Recent"
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I ordered the new GPU. When I get it in a couple weeks I will post a comparison of my PC resources when using the different GPU's.
I compared my old GTX760 to my new GTX1050TI playing a 4k rip while connected to 2k monitor. With the 760 MC was using 36% of my CPU and 30% GPU. With the 1050 MC uses 4% CPU and 40% GPU. This is good.
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Glad it is working well!
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Hi
So is the 4GB GTX 1050Ti recommended for htpc UHDvplayback? Is there any advantage of going to 1060 3GB or 6GB? I'll really only play back mkv and iso of HD and UHD on the machine. I do like to be able to play old 720 material so that often seems to need a bit more power to make it look decent on a large TV.
Cheers
Z
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From what I read the 3GB cards might not have enough ram for 4K so I went with a 6GB. From what I remember the people that actually understand it said 4GB is probably the minimum for 4K but the options are 3 and 6.
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From what I read the 3GB cards might not have enough ram for 4K so I went with a 6GB. From what I remember the people that actually understand it said 4GB is probably the minimum for 4K but the options are 3 and 6.
It depends on the settings used, but Windows is reporting about 2GB VRAM usage for me with 4K HDR playback.
With higher queue sizes in madVR, it's going up to about 3GB, so I wouldn't want a 2GB card, but 3GB is probably sufficient.
Always better to have more RAM/VRAM than you need than not enough though.
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3GB is just on the border of viability, it could run into issues if one isn't very careful, its generally not recommended for 4K playback, unless you want to manually tune everything for low memory availability.
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So either 4gb 1050 ti or 6gb 1060
Anyone reporting the 4gb 1050 ti adequate?
Z
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Go the GTX1060 6GB.
That's what I did, mostly for future proofing a bit, and the latest standards. But also because when pushing higher definition video, more memory is better.
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Interesting announcement and claim from DVDfab: https://www.dvdfab.cn/news/99
"Other than doing the decryption itself, Fengtao Software has partnered with the Russia based Arusoft who owns the world’s 1st commercial UHD decrypting tool DeUHD. By integrating DeUHD’s decryption technology into its own UHD copy and ripper products, Fengtao Software not only keeps its former promise not to decrypt AACS 2.0 protections, but still can provide a better way for their customers to decrypt 4K Ultra HD discs. Compared to MakeMKV and AnyDVD who are still highly dependent on either the manual update of the leaked AACS 2.0 volume keys from internet or the “secretly borrowed keys from others” to make backups of UHD titles, DVDFab now has worked out a better solution, which as of now, is considered the most reliable and sustainable approach the market has to offer."
From their email to me:
"This means, from decryption to backup/conversion and then to playback, you no longer need to manually update the leaked keys from internet."
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Excuse the ignorance, but I do not know dvdfab. If I understand correctly, however, it does not work like AnyDVD with which I insert the BD-UHD and he works in the background, but I have to copy it to the hard disk first, right?
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Is one make or model of 6GB 1060 card better than another for this application?
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Is one make or model of 6GB 1060 card better than another for this application?
Probably, but I don't know what you would look for. I picked the NVidia MSI GeForce GTX 1060 GAMING X, 6GB card because of good all around reviews.
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If I understand correctly, however, it does not work like AnyDVD with which I insert the BD-UHD and he works in the background, but I have to copy it to the hard disk first, right?
Wrong. DVDfab has a product called Passkey that sits in the background and decrypts DVD and/or Blu-ray as required for playback, on the fly. Exactly the same as AnyDVD.
PS: I note that DVDfab seems to have removed the news article I linked to. Trouble may be afoot!
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Is one make or model of 6GB 1060 card better than another for this application?
I have no idea. I went with the one that was available and got an Asus.
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Wrong. DVDfab has a product called Passkey that sits in the background and decrypts DVD and/or Blu-ray as required for playback, on the fly. Exactly the same as AnyDVD.
PS: I note that DVDfab seems to have removed the news article I linked to. Trouble may be afoot!
But I was talking about BD-UHD and not Blu Ray. So for BDUHD, DVDFab on-the-fly playback it's not good
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AFAIK - the only ones that do On The Fly decryption for UHD-BD are AnyDVD and DeUHD
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AFAIK - the only ones that do On The Fly decryption for UHD-BD are AnyDVD and DeUHD
But I was talking about BD-UHD and not Blu Ray. So for BDUHD, DVDFab on-the-fly playback it's not good
As per my post above (https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,112653.msg796391.html#msg796391), DVDfab announced they have included DeUHD into their products. However, they have removed the news announcement since I saw it. I still have the email though.
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Yeah - something is up with the DVDFab and DeUHD. Who knows but there was speculation they are the some org....
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Is one make or model of 6GB 1060 card better than another for this application?
Unlikely to make a difference in performance terms, noise levels will vary though so that may be important to you
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FYI - MC24 is now out with UHD Support built in. I've added a new thread with a summary of where we are at - https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,115314.0.html
I'll now close this one.