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Title: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: Awesome Donkey on February 24, 2016, 08:39:13 am
Not sure where to post this.

https://torrentfreak.com/popular-blu-ray-ripper-shuts-down-following-legal-pressure-160224/
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: Hendrik on February 24, 2016, 08:50:31 am
There is still DVDFab Passkey, and you can even use MakeMKV for on-the-fly decryption, at least with LAV (although its a rarely known or used feature).

Once again the industry shows that they have no clue what the users actually want. Most of us that use such software just use it to use a player of their choice, not to distribute illicit copies of such movies.
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: Matt on February 24, 2016, 08:53:00 am
Once again the industry shows that they have no clue what the users actually want. Most of us that use such software just use it to use a player of their choice, not to distribute illicit copies of such movies.

Yeah, I just use it because that's the only way my favorite player (JRiver Media Center!) can play.

I happily pay for my movies like a good little boy.
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: RD James on February 24, 2016, 09:00:49 am
Does that mean Virtual Clone Drive and ReClock are dead too?
Who would be buying it for piracy?
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: WeeHappyPixie on February 24, 2016, 09:03:30 am
Yeah.. https://forum.slysoft.com/threads/slysoft-closed.68304/ (https://forum.slysoft.com/threads/slysoft-closed.68304/)

Grab them from the mirrors before it's too late.

John
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: Awesome Donkey on February 24, 2016, 09:03:54 am
Does that mean Virtual Clone Drive and ReClock are dead too?

Pretty much, yeah.
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: SamuriHL on February 24, 2016, 09:07:48 am
Yea, I think we all know my feelings on this one.  SIGH.  I also use it for real time decryption so I can use my player of choice (obviously MC).  I will laugh if this ends up hurting sales of disc based media.  But this definitely sucks.
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: RD James on February 24, 2016, 09:28:58 am
It just occurred to me that, if AnyDVD were the only product to do this, that would be it for Blu-rays for me.
I wouldn't run out any buy a copy of PowerDVD/WinDVD, I'd just stop buying Blu-ray discs - because I don't want to deal with menus, be tied down to having physical access to the disc, or deal with the other restrictions placed on PC playback software.
 
So I don't see how this benefits anyone, except lawyers. Slysoft loses, the customers lose, and the people selling Blu-rays lose out too.
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: glynor on February 24, 2016, 09:29:10 am
Yeah.. https://forum.slysoft.com/threads/slysoft-closed.68304/ (https://forum.slysoft.com/threads/slysoft-closed.68304/)

Grab them from the mirrors before it's too late.

Crap. Do you have a link for a mirror?  I own a copy of AnyDVD HD, but don't actually have the installer right now. I want to make sure I get a copy before they're gone.

Nevermind. I got it.
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: Hendrik on February 24, 2016, 09:30:16 am
Crap. Do you have a link for a mirror?  I own a copy of AnyDVD HD, but don't actually have the installer right now. I want to make sure I get a copy before they're gone.

It depends on a key database on the internet, if they shut that down as well any fresh installs are no longer going to work anyway.
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: SamuriHL on February 24, 2016, 09:31:10 am
It just occurred to me that, if AnyDVD were the only product to do this, that would be it for Blu-rays for me.
I wouldn't run out any buy a copy of PowerDVD/WinDVD, I'd just stop buying Blu-ray discs - because I don't want to deal with menus, be tied down to having physical access to the disc, or deal with the other restrictions placed on PC playback software.
 
So I don't see how this benefits anyone, except lawyers. Slysoft loses, the customers lose, and the people selling Blu-rays lose out too.

That was exactly the point I was making when I said I'd laugh if it ends up hurting disc sales.  Honestly, this could be the final nail in the coffin of disc based formats.
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: glynor on February 24, 2016, 09:33:16 am
It depends on a key database on the internet, if they shut that down as well any fresh installs are no longer going to work anyway.

Yeah.  :(
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: RD James on February 24, 2016, 09:34:29 am
At one point James said that, if they were ever shut down, he would release the entire database in its current state.
But it's one thing to say that when you are not under legal threat, and something else when it actually happens...
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: CountryBumkin on February 24, 2016, 10:02:49 am
There is still DVDFab Passkey, and you can even use MakeMKV for on-the-fly decryption,

I wonder if MakeMKV will be next on the hit list.

"They" have been working on shutting down DVDFab for a while: http://www.myce.com/news/this-is-why-dvdfab-com-is-down-the-actual-injunction-70763/
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: RD James on February 24, 2016, 10:33:57 am
That's why I'm hesitant to spend $150 on DVDFab Passkey right now.
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: greynolds on February 24, 2016, 10:45:12 am
That's why I'm hesitant to spend $150 on DVDFab Passkey right now.
Same here.  It's the obvious (only?) option to go with now that Slysoft is gone, but I'd rather not lose $150.
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: Guybrush on February 24, 2016, 10:56:28 am
How badly will this hurt JRiver business? My hopes for viewing UHD blurays in MC are gone.
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: blgentry on February 24, 2016, 11:05:54 am
It's really insane how this all works.  I've spent just tons and tons of money on optical discs over the years.  I only want to be able to use my media with digital systems.  So I spend crazy amounts of time ripping these discs and then use them in my players.

There aren't good ways of getting high quality digital copies of any of this stuff:  Music, Videos... you can get digital access, but you're locked in to specific players and ecosystems, ala AppleTV, Amazon, etc.

Once again, DRM and the legal process around it, does nothing but hurt consumers.  How is this good?  It's easy to see why people that do NOT pay for their media do so.  It's actually more effort to rip your own legal copies of discs than it is to go around the system and download copies that you don't own.  So now they try to make it even harder for those of us that are trying REALLY hard to be honorable and legal.  <sigh>

Brian.
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: Arindelle on February 24, 2016, 11:10:37 am
Incredible. Remember SOPA?! And IMHO incredibly short-sighted, for the short term buck. Relying on DRM is like the "majors" are re-playing Louis XV ... "Après moi, le déluge"

By the way, the HD downloads on amazon are the same as blu-rays right? Can anybody confirm? I'm really a video noob. I'm certainly never buying a blu ray again
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: JimH on February 24, 2016, 11:12:21 am
I guess we'll have to add Torrent support now.
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: Arindelle on February 24, 2016, 11:25:16 am
I guess we'll have to add Torrent support now.
sad, but the torrents will definitely get a boost, the DRM holders will suck the last oil out while they can, and the legit consumers will get nailed once again.
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: RD James on February 24, 2016, 11:36:01 am
As a warning for anyone else: I just realized that ALL of my discs were ripped to ISO with the copy protection intact.
Apparently the online database is currently up, but may not be for much longer. So you might want to check that.
I believe it caches this information locally once you've inserted a disc/mounted an ISO, but there are some discs/images which I have definitely not loaded since the last time that I reinstalled my OS.
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: Hendrik on February 24, 2016, 11:38:19 am
By the way, the HD downloads on amazon are the same as blu-rays right? Can anybody confirm? I'm really a video noob. I'm certainly never buying a blu ray again

No, they are generally lower quality and not full HD audio.
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: Guybrush on February 24, 2016, 12:01:37 pm
As a warning for anyone else: I just realized that ALL of my discs were ripped to ISO with the copy protection intact.
Apparently the online database is currently up, but may not be for much longer. So you might want to check that.
I believe it caches this information locally once you've inserted a disc/mounted an ISO, but there are some discs/images which I have definitely not loaded since the last time that I reinstalled my OS.

So our existing copies of AnyDVDHD will no longer function? I actually prefer to watch my blu-rays from the optical disc; is that no longer an option when the database goes down?
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: RD James on February 24, 2016, 12:02:51 pm
So our existing copies of AnyDVDHD will no longer function? I actually prefer to watch my blu-rays from the optical disc; is that no longer an option when the database goes down?
Well I don't know if people were mistaken or it was too late, but the online protection database is down now and I have three Blu-ray discs here that I've bought and paid for which I'm no longer able to watch.
 
I guess I got lucky because the rest of my movies were cached(?) and are working without OPD access - but I'll be re-ripping them with the copy protection removed ASAP.
 
I'm not entirely sure how AnyDVD works, because two of those three were fairly recent purchases so they were definitely ripped on this machine and I thought that meant they would be cached without needing online access.
 
I have a stack of discs here that haven't been ripped yet, and no idea if they will work or not. Don't have the time to test them right now. Funnily enough, it was really quick and easy to test my ISO files, unlike the discs themselves.
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: syndromeofadown on February 24, 2016, 12:20:23 pm
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Anydvd hd is perfectly capable of decrypting protected iso's without access to the "online protection database". It will just take a little longer than when it does have access. Note though that if you have a new disc in the drive that is not in the local installed database anydvd WILL NEED internet access in order to check the online database for data or send/receive the required info for decryption. If it can't do that, that disc will not decrypt.

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With respect to AnyDVD and CloneDVD there is no need to contact Slysoft's servers in order to decrypt and process standard DVDs.

The only issue you might have is in the case of having a brand new Blu-Ray release where AnyDVD HD would need to connect to the Slysoft server to grab keys for removing AACS. If your PC can never connect to the internet then you'll need to wait until the next released update of AnyDVD HD which would include the newer keys and make contacting the server unnecessary.
 

Make sure you are using the latest version 7.6.9.0.
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: CountryBumkin on February 24, 2016, 12:26:10 pm
So our existing copies of AnyDVDHD will no longer function? I actually prefer to watch my blu-rays from the optical disc; is that no longer an option when the database goes down?

I'm not entirely sure how ANYDVD HD works either - I know that "new" BDs will have a problem since you won't be able to get the new decryption code from Slysoft.

But what about an older movie that's been around for a couple of years?  Meaning, if I buy a BD of an old movie where Slysoft has already provided the decryption code, is that code in my copy of AnyDVD HD, or does the program only download the code from SlySoft database when it is needed?
Title: not good
Post by: flac.rules on February 24, 2016, 12:37:16 pm
A sad day, I wonder if I will buy optical media again.
Title: Re: not good
Post by: mojave on February 24, 2016, 12:41:55 pm
A sad day, I wonder if I will buy optical media again.
Why not? DVDFab Passkey works exactly the same way as anyDVD HD.
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: RD James on February 24, 2016, 12:43:43 pm
Why not? DVDFab Passkey works exactly the same way as anyDVD HD.
It also costs $150 and could disappear overnight.



Disc is from Feb 2014. The other two were released in May 2015.
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: greynolds on February 24, 2016, 12:58:10 pm
FWIW, the DVDFab Passkey DVD & Bluray Bundle (lifetime) can currently be purchased for $84.48.  Use the "FAB-FOF-OFF" coupon code at checkout to get that price.  The bundle can be added to your cart here: http://www.dvdfab.cn/order.htm?pid=cinaviaremoval-hd (http://www.dvdfab.cn/order.htm?pid=cinaviaremoval-hd).
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: AndrewFG on February 24, 2016, 01:14:41 pm
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“... circumvention also harms the legitimate consumer electronics and information technology companies that build compliant content playback devices that ‘play by the rules’.”

I wonder if JRiver could find out what it takes for them to 'play by the rules' ??

Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: greynolds on February 24, 2016, 01:21:49 pm
I wonder if JRiver could find out what it takes for them to 'play by the rules' ??
I believe the answer is a TON of money and a major PITA to lock down the software.  Unless DVDFab is able to stay afloat, I'm not sure if there's a good option for JRiver here for supporting Bluray moving forward.

I had 3 lifetime AnyDVD HD licenses since I used it on 3 PC's (1 for ripping, 2 for playback).  At least I had those licenses for quite a while, so I got my money out of them; this development REALLY sucks for people who bought licenses recently.  I now have 1 DVDFab Passkey license and will just use it on my ripping PC for now.  Hopefully they'll be able to stay around for a while.
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: SamuriHL on February 24, 2016, 02:02:08 pm
I always like to cover my bases so I've had a dvdfab license for a while although I never used it.  MakeMKV is also something I purchased many years ago since I like to back up to MKV anyway, but, I always used it with AnyDVD.  Eventually they will both be forced to shut down, as well.  dvdfab has already had issues.  MakeMKV has been small enough to mostly fly under the radar more or less.  And that's it.  We lose the ability to play back blu-rays in MC, I lose the desire to continue buying disc formats.
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: Guybrush on February 24, 2016, 02:16:24 pm
I had 3 lifetime AnyDVD HD licenses since I used it on 3 PC's (1 for ripping, 2 for playback).  At least I had those licenses for quite a while, so I got my money out of them; this development REALLY sucks for people who bought licenses recently. 

I bought a license on Saturday. I watched one blu-ray.
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: Guybrush on February 24, 2016, 02:28:17 pm
I wonder if JRiver could find out what it takes for them to 'play by the rules' ??


I would contribute to a kickstarter. PowerDVD does it and stays in business.
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: RD James on February 24, 2016, 02:55:09 pm
We've been over this before.
 
To "play by the rules" means implementing all the restrictions that those of us using JRiver for Blu-ray playback are trying to avoid.
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: AndrewFG on February 24, 2016, 05:02:45 pm
I believe the answer is a TON of money and a major PITA to lock down the software.

You can buy a cheap legal Chinese bluray player for 50 bucks, so I don't see it as impossible for JRiver to do something similar..

Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: bhampster on February 24, 2016, 05:21:10 pm
Wow things really change overnight.

I've never used slysoft but I use Makemkv all day long.
Btw I never knew about on the fly decripting with Makemkv and lav. That's interesting
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: glynor on February 24, 2016, 05:32:58 pm
You can buy a cheap legal Chinese bluray player for 50 bucks, so I don't see it as impossible for JRiver to do something similar..

Unfortunately, it isn't so simple. Licensing AACS and HDCP is very complex (and you really need a lawyer experienced in the field to even figure out what is required). But, at the root, the differences between JRiver building a software player, and some electronics manufacturer building a hardware BluRay player amount to:

1. Licensing required for AACS and HDCP is divided up into many, many different categories. So, the "device manufacturer" isn't responsible for all of the different licenses directly (including their required annual fees and per-unit costs). Essentially, they use components on the board which are, themselves, licensed by their individual manufacturer, and they don't have to directly license each individual component.

2. The structure of the licensing, and especially the required testing for certification, is designed (purposefully) to limit the number of possible vendors, and prevent "small players" from entering the market. This is primarily accomplished by annual fees and putting caps on the costs. As an example, if you have to pay, for one particular license, $25K per year plus $2 per device. But they limit the total cost to $5M total. If you sell 5K "devices" per year, it costs an order of magnitude more to cover these costs than if you sell 50 million units per year. This, of course, combines with point 1. That chip on the motherboard of that $50 BluRay player wasn't used in just that particular model, but was used on almost all of the players on the market.

3. Pricing for required certification testing is wildly different for software players versus hardware players, and they're able to change their minds on things as they go. Keep in mind, most (if not all) of the AACS key "leaks" have come from software players, because they're impossible to secure (good luck keeping me from looking for the key in memory on my paused VM). Testing and certification on hardware players is relatively straightforward, if not still unbelievably expensive. You buy a certified test "device" which tests your hardware and spits out a result. Software testing is basically at the whim of the various licensing authorities.

It is a shell game designed with the explicit goal of preventing lots of various companies from competing, and especially for keeping small players out of the market. Because it was designed by the established industry, of course, and because it is easier to keep a few players "in line" than a mass of them all fighting with one another.

I'm not saying it is impossible, and I don't claim to be an expert on all of the costs involved. But the barriers to entry exist and are very high. Comparing to a commodity hardware player isn't a fair comparison.
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: jmone on February 24, 2016, 05:52:13 pm
Not great news but the world moves on and once the knowledge is out there it is hard to put back into a box so there will always be a way.  


edit - more info

Thinking about how to use the MakeMKV "on the fly decryption", the info I found says how to do it for:
- OSX (http://www.makemkv.com/forum2/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=7010)
- Linux (http://www.makemkv.com/forum2/viewtopic.php?t=7009)
- Kodi (http://forum.kodi.tv/showthread.php?tid=189402)


I'm away with work so can not test, but:
1) does this also just "work" with MC / Windows?
2) does this impact any other function of MC or the PC?
3) any downsides / upsides?

Thanks
Nathan
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: RoderickGI on February 24, 2016, 06:09:29 pm
Oh dear. I use DVDfab, but with this success, they are bound to try to shut them down again.

If that happens maybe it will be time to go back to reading books, from the local library. For free.  :(

I bought a license on Saturday. I watched one blu-ray.

Doh! I did recommend DVDfab to you if I remember correctly (http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?action=profile;u=131186). If you paid by credit card, you may be able to have the transaction reversed by your bank. Non-delivery of the product. Of course being an international transaction, and given that the company may now be as closed down as the web site, the bank may not be willing to try a reversal (Chargeback).
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: Hilton on February 25, 2016, 01:03:59 am
I managed to find 7690 too, I was on 758x something.
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: Hendrik on February 25, 2016, 01:45:05 am
Thinking about how to use the MakeMKV "on the fly decryption", the info I found says how to do it for:
- OSX (http://www.makemkv.com/forum2/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=7010)
- Linux (http://www.makemkv.com/forum2/viewtopic.php?t=7009)
- Kodi (http://forum.kodi.tv/showthread.php?tid=189402)


I'm away with work so can not test, but:
1) does this also just "work" with MC / Windows?
2) does this impact any other function of MC or the PC?
3) any downsides / upsides?

Similar instructions apply. Easiest would be to just symlink libmmbd.dll into either MCs program folder, or the system folder (ie. SysWOW64, for example mklink C:\Windows\SysWOW64\libmmbd.dll  "C:\Program Files (x86)\MakeMKV\libmmbd.dll") - just required so the DLL is found.
By now libbluray tries to open libmmbd directly, so renaming or linking it to libaacs/libbdplus is no longer required.

Copying the DLL would theoretically also work, but a symlink has the advantage that any update of MakeMKV doesn't require to copy it again.

Note that it doesn't work for 3D (yet), but 2D Blu-ray seem to run just fine.
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: jmone on February 25, 2016, 02:30:16 am
Thanks - the simlink method works for playback but I don't think libmmbd.dll is used for MC's "Rip Disk" function (looks like a straight file copy).  I'm testing a rip now but it would appear that the M2TS files copied to the HDD are encrypted (still half way through a rip).
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: Hendrik on February 25, 2016, 02:35:30 am
Thanks - the simlink method works for playback but I don't think libmmbd.dll is used for MC's "Rip Disk" function (looks like a straight file copy).  I'm testing a rip now but it would appear that the M2TS files copied to the HDD are encrypted (still half way through a rip).

Yes that wont work, only for playback. Use MakeMKV itself for ripping (it can also rip m2ts if for some reason one would want that)
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: jmone on February 25, 2016, 02:47:52 am
Yeah.... it is not only still encrypted but you can not playback from the HDD either (this second part surprised me).  Seems this method only works for playback from ODD.
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: bhampster on February 25, 2016, 05:16:59 am
I never used Slysoft products.

However, this news has put me on a non stop rip spree... So that's the upside if there is one.

If something exists that interests you, get it while you can.
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: Kukulcan on February 25, 2016, 05:44:57 am
What a mess! Does JRiver WMD work with PowerDVD? I have a hi-end ASIO peripheral for music and movie. I can't do anything without it and JRiver because I built active DIY loudspeaker..

More probable that I change my hobbies than that I buy commercial-ultrapriced-novalue hdmi devices.
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: JimH on February 25, 2016, 06:44:18 am
Thanks - the simlink method works for playback but I don't think libmmbd.dll is used for MC's "Rip Disk" function (looks like a straight file copy).
For BD, MC just copies the files from the disk.  You would still need AnyDVD or DVDFab.
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: AndrewFG on February 25, 2016, 06:59:16 am
Is it possible for MC to record from the HDMI output of a hardware player?
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: blgentry on February 25, 2016, 07:00:36 am
While this bothers me philosophically, this does *not* signal the end of being able to rip BD or DVD discs at all.  Unless I'm missing something?  Won't other software, like MakeMKV, just continue to work essentially forever despite this bad news?

The sky does not seem to be falling in BD ripping land.

Brian.
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: Hendrik on February 25, 2016, 07:10:06 am
While this bothers me philosophically, this does *not* signal the end of being able to rip BD or DVD discs at all.  Unless I'm missing something?  Won't other software, like MakeMKV, just continue to work essentially forever despite this bad news?

Of course, both MakeMKV and DVDFab Passkey continue to exist and work. But its still a sign that they are actively pushing for those products to disappear. If they succeed for those is another matter, MakeMKV seems to be Russian and DVDFab is Chinese, so how much muscle the US industry has onto them is something that remains to be seen.

Personally I find it ridiculous that the movie industry won't just finally get a clue and stop with the DRM cat and mouse battle. I wonder how many millions they could save. The music industry mostly accepted that fact now, why not movies as well.
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: greynolds on February 25, 2016, 07:11:00 am
Is it possible for MC to record from the HDMI output of a hardware player?
Certainly not without something in between that bypasses HDCP.  Once you get past the HDCP obstacle, you would be capturing an uncompressed video stream, which would result in HUGE files.  To get back to somewhere around the size of the files on the original Bluray disk, you would need to encode the uncompressed video, which means the quality (while probably still very good) is going to be reduced.  Encoding the audio live, while capturing, would definitely mean a signficant reduction in quality as higher quality wouldn't be able to keep up with the live stream.  The audio stream would have issues too - you would only be able to capture whatever audio track is currently playing, so you wouldn't be able to keep other audio tracks in the resulting capture.  This would also be a lot slower than the current ripping process as it would have to happen in real time - 2 hours to capture a 2 hour movie instead of something like 15-20 minutes.
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: CountryBumkin on February 25, 2016, 07:36:45 am
That is sort of what I do with the Hauppauge Colossus. I use a cheap HDMI splitter (which by-passes HDCP) to feed the output of FireTV (Amazon Prime/Netflix) to my display and the Colossus. I can record up to 1080i.
It works fairly well, but I sometimes get audio sync issues, which is probably fixable although I haven't spent enough time trying.
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: greynolds on February 25, 2016, 07:46:10 am
That is sort of what I do with the Hauppauge Colossus. I use a cheap HDMI splitter (which by-passes HDCP) to feed the output of FireTV (Amazon Prime/Netflix) to my display and the Colossus. I can record up to 1080i.
It works fairly well, but I sometimes get audio sync issues, which is probably fixable although I haven't spent enough time trying.
What capabilities does that have for audio?  Can it capture Dolby True HD bitstreams, for example, or does the audio get re-encoded to something that's reduced in quality (very important if the new Atmos / DTS:X / Auro 3D formats are part of the audio on the disc being played)?  But recording up to 1080i sort of illustrates my point - you're not going to end up with the original quality of the Bluray you're trying to capture (if the source is a Bluray player instead of the FireTV).
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: CountryBumkin on February 25, 2016, 08:57:14 am
My Colossus is old technology now. But for audio it records AC-3 5.1.
The newer "Colossus 2" records up to 1080p30 (also AC-3 5.1) and DTS is not supported.

This is not a solution. Just another tool.
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: greynolds on February 25, 2016, 09:04:04 am
My Colossus is old technology now. But for audio it records AC-3 5.1.
The newer "Colossus 2" records up to 1080p30 (also AC-3 5.1) and DTS is not supported.
So it sounds like in addition to re-encoding the video, it re-encodes the audio, which is what I suspected.

This is not a solution. Just another tool.
Understood, I was mostly just curious.
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: CountryBumkin on February 25, 2016, 09:10:12 am
Some new info about AnyDVD

from: http://www.myce.com/news/slysoft-developer-anydvd-will-continue-to-work-78688/

AnyDVD (HD) uses a so called “Online Protection Database” (OPD) that contains information about discs that helps the software to remove the copy protection from them. Now Slysoft has closed down, the OPD can be taken offline any moment. Nevertheless, without the OPD the software is able to continue to work. Below an overview posted by the Slysoft developer on what will work and what won’t.

•DVDs: All DVDs should continue work. OPD is only used to speed up things, it is optional.

•HD-DVDs: All work.

•Blu-Ray AACS: AnyDVD contains data for roughly 130000 discs, these will continue to work. Discs not included in AnyDVD will need the OPD. OPD results will be cached locally, if you copy the cache, you can move it to another PC.

•Blu-Ray BD+, 20th Century Fox: Recent discs (1-2 years?) need OPD. Older titles work. OPD results will be cached locally, if you copy the cache, you can move it to another PC.

•Blu-Ray Java protection (mostly Lionsgate): Recent discs (1 year?) need OPD. Older titles work. OPD results are not cached.

•Blu-ray cinavia: Will continue to work with current players & software.
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: AndrewFG on February 25, 2016, 10:29:12 am
Colossus

Brilliant trade name. (If you know anything about the history of crypto..)

Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: SamuriHL on February 25, 2016, 12:00:41 pm
I can confirm that after patching up my hosts file I was able to decrypt a new movie that I wasn't able to decrypt before.  This is because AnyDVD can now connect with the OPD and download the necessary file.  That's added to the cache which should be backed up for future use.
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: cavediver on February 25, 2016, 12:08:20 pm
I can confirm that after patching up my hosts file I was able to decrypt a new movie that I wasn't able to decrypt before.  This is because AnyDVD can now connect with the OPD and download the necessary file.  That's added to the cache which should be backed up for future use.

And where is that cache file located in Windows 7?
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: SamuriHL on February 25, 2016, 12:09:10 pm
You'll find it in programdata if you look for it.
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: CountryBumkin on February 25, 2016, 12:11:34 pm
Does that cache contain all 130,000 keys or just the ones for the specific movies you decrypted own and rip or play?
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: cavediver on February 25, 2016, 12:13:24 pm
You'll find it in programdata if you look for it.

I found it. I had to change to show hidden folders. Thanks.
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: SamuriHL on February 25, 2016, 12:14:54 pm
People have a very big misconception of how AnyDVD works.  When a version is released, it contains ALL the AACS keys for movies in the database at the time of release.  However, AACS is not the end of the story.  BD+ protections require replacement sequences and AnyDVD can do older ones without the OPD.  New discs will require the OPD to download the replacement segment information.  That then gets cached.  The stupid screen pass protections are also cached, as well.  So there are some things that are built in when you update AnyDVD, other things that still need the OPD.
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: jmone on February 26, 2016, 03:38:43 pm
FYI - one thing about DVD Fab's passkey is that it does not create a disc.inf file containing the "good" playlist info that MC supports like AnyDVD does.  I've opened a thread on their site - http://forum.dvdfab.cn/showthread.php?t=28785

Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: SamuriHL on February 26, 2016, 03:41:11 pm
GLWT LOL
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: RD James on February 26, 2016, 04:05:39 pm
That assumes there are even going to be meaningful updates to DVDFab now.
Slysoft have said for a while now that they suspected DVDFab and MakeMKV to be using their data for decryption since they coincidentally always released their updates for new discs shortly after AnyDVD updated.
Fengtao Software apparently also made an agreement with AACS-LA (what!?) to say that they'll never try to decrypt AACS2.0 for UHD.
 
Just seems like a really weird situation.
Announcing that they won't decrypt AACS 2.0, while still selling a product that decrypts AACS?
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: greynolds on February 26, 2016, 05:00:25 pm
Fengtao Software apparently also made an agreement with AACS-LA (what!?) to say that they'll never try to decrypt AACS2.0 for UHD.
 
Just seems like a really weird situation.
Announcing that they won't decrypt AACS 2.0, while still selling a product that decrypts AACS?
Just a guess, but that could be a simple case of give and take:  "don't take actions to shut down our existing product and we won't try to crack AACS 2.0".

Let's all hope that the claims that DVDFab and MakeMKV were relying on AnyDVD for updates is false, as that wouldn't be good for any of us.
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: jmone on February 26, 2016, 05:36:40 pm
I doubt we will ever know the full story behind all of this.... but it probably does not matter, all these silly DRM attempts have been broken to date and no doubt will be in the future.  Imagine the $ the studios could have saved over the years (plus the aggravation to users).  I'd hate to be a DRM salesperson pitching to the studios, what are they going to say "This time it will be different"?

Now to the practical part as this could be a PITA in the short term.  I better go through my physical disks and make sure I've not left anything unripped!

GLWT LOL

Why not? - it looks like it is a 1:1 copy already, but they just missed a bit! ;)
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: RoderickGI on February 26, 2016, 06:14:33 pm
I tried to play a rented BD+ video in MC last night. DVDfab failed to decrypt it, but didn't report anything initially. Eventually I found a different way to try to open the BD, and got a message saying that the disk used BD+ which encryption isn't supported at this time.

I had to use PowerDVD 12, which was recently automatically updated from my old PowerDVD 10 which came with my optical drive. Audio kept slipping out of sync so bad that I had to stop and restart playback at least six times during the movie. Not happy.
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: jmone on February 26, 2016, 06:22:10 pm
What was the Disc?
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: RoderickGI on February 26, 2016, 06:31:15 pm
Maze Runner: The Scorch Trials
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: jmone on February 26, 2016, 06:51:49 pm
Tested my version.  AnyDVD and MakeMKV were fine with it.  DVDFab could not decode my version either, but they do have a user thread reporting it (http://forum.dvdfab.cn/showthread.php?t=28681).
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: Awesome Donkey on February 26, 2016, 07:00:31 pm
Slysoft have said for a while now that they suspected DVDFab and MakeMKV to be using their data for decryption since they coincidentally always released their updates for new discs shortly after AnyDVD updated.

Ouch, that's not good at all if true.
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: fitbrit on February 26, 2016, 10:13:38 pm
Anyone know where I can get the last update. I was late getting it because I didn't know this was happening. I expected Slysoft to be around forever.
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: jmone on February 26, 2016, 11:15:07 pm
http://files01.techspot.com/temp/SetupAnyDVD7690.exe
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: fitbrit on February 27, 2016, 12:17:22 am
Thanks very much!
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: SamuriHL on February 27, 2016, 10:37:08 am
There is a STRONG suspicion that passkey uses a lot of...technology....from Slysoft.  Now that Slysoft is gone, we'll see if passkey can "keep up" with new protections.  They'll get their chance to shine soon enough.  I own DVDFab lifetime license and there is a clone mode in that so I can make ISO's with it.  Plus MakeMKV.  I'm not sure MakeMKV uses any Slysoft tech as they'd be able to handle screen pass by now if they did. 
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: CountryBumkin on February 27, 2016, 01:29:37 pm
MakeMKV doesn't like DVDFab

(http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad54/mshumack/MakeMKV%20warning%20about%20DVDFab_zps8cdbnmu4.jpg)

I haven't heard the term "MacTheRipper" before. I just have PassKey installed.
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: Hendrik on February 27, 2016, 01:45:04 pm
MakeMKV doesn't like DVDFab

It also warns about running AnyDVD, so nothing new? :)
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: greynolds on February 27, 2016, 02:54:45 pm
I haven't heard the term "MacTheRipper" before. I just have PassKey installed.
That's Jack the Ripper's evil twin... 😀
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: kalston on February 27, 2016, 04:10:39 pm
Wow, this hurts. I'm not one to rip all my BDs since I don't have that much HDD storage so this might mean I could even be unable to decrypt some of my old discs (there's some I haven't played for a while and I have formatted since). The lifetime license seemed a bit pricey at the time (I think I paid 200€ or so) but boy have I gotten my money's worth out of it with the countless BDs I bought or rented over the years...  
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: jmone on February 27, 2016, 04:12:27 pm
https://forum.slysoft.com/threads/no-fox-no-job-no-future.68331/

Quote
We (developers and admins) had a few chat conferences this week and we came to the conclusion that if we have the backup of the community, we might consider to continue the development on our own.

Any (on topic) feedback is greatly appreciated.

I've added my 2cents (well it will be more than that) in their thread.
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: jmone on March 01, 2016, 01:03:09 am
The RedFox  (https://forum.redfox.bz/)rises...

Forum ported to a new domain but....
Quote
It will take a few weeks until we can supply a complete infrastructure including key servers, new releases, support.

(https://forum.redfox.bz/img/logo/redfox-bz-forums.png)
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: JeTie on March 01, 2016, 09:30:48 am
http://files01.techspot.com/temp/SetupAnyDVD7690.exe
Thanks, as well. AnyDVD HD is still available in this repository (look into Video & Audio).
Yesterday, when I looked into this topic, I'm pretty sure someone posted checksums for v7.6.9.0 but its gone  ?
Can someone else possibly help out?
Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: SamuriHL on March 01, 2016, 09:32:29 am
Thanks, as well. AnyDVD HD is still available in this repository (look into Video & Audio).
Yesterday, when I looked into this topic, I'm pretty sure someone posted checksums for v7.6.9.0 but its gone  ?
Can someone else possibly help out?
Thanks in advance.

CRC32: DFE28648
MD5: A01302BA579A8065FB0737A27532D4C3
SHA-1: FFEF06F772D126288B2CF14CE47517E6F3BEA242


Not that it matters much....that version is old....or should be by today or tomorrow.  ;)
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: jmone on March 01, 2016, 04:06:59 pm
 ;D - https://forum.redfox.bz/threads/anydvd-hd-7-6-9-1-released.68381/

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AnyDVD reborn! SlySoft is dead, long live RedFox!
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: mojave on March 01, 2016, 04:20:21 pm
That is great news (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jofNR_WkoCE)!
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: SamuriHL on March 01, 2016, 10:25:25 pm
Indeed it is.  I for one am absolutely elated by this turn of events.  That being said, I will say this...let this be a lesson to all of you who slacked off on the updates.  At the very least keep the very latest build, whatever it is, downloaded if not installed.
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: Trumpetguy on March 02, 2016, 04:13:42 am
;D - https://forum.redfox.bz/threads/anydvd-hd-7-6-9-1-released.68381/


And they just got a new, registered redfox forum user  ;D
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: Matt on March 02, 2016, 06:44:03 am
I was going to ask for a link to download the last AnyDVD (unfortunately) and then this popped up:
https://forum.redfox.bz/download/

That last release date is from yesterday!
Title: Re:
Post by: SamuriHL on March 02, 2016, 07:29:33 am
Yup. That is an interim release. They're hard at work on getting everything back up and running under the new name.
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: JimH on March 04, 2016, 06:20:28 am
Split Digital Rights Management (http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=103576.0)
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: Awesome Donkey on April 05, 2016, 03:38:34 pm
Huh, AnyDVD lifetime licenses not going to be honored past April 30th?

https://forum.redfox.bz/threads/redfox-addresses-slysoft-license-concerns.68578/
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: gvanbrunt on April 05, 2016, 03:55:21 pm
As a Lifetime purchaser that is unfortunate. However, I guess it is lifetime since Slysoft died...

Have to wait and see how good a deal they are offering to existing owners.
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: Sesam on April 05, 2016, 04:22:16 pm
This was was to be expected as Slysoft has closed doors and AnyDVD is discontinued. RedFox is no longer technically the same product or company (even though it appears to be most of the old crew). While this disappoints my wallet, at the same time I think it is for the best of continued development.

It appears they will be offering some kind of discount/deal for existing license owners (presumably lifetime licenses will no longer be offered). Lifetime licenses never have made any business sense, it is short term profit that kills the company and product in the long run. Someone must be paying the bills for servers and further development.
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: Matt on May 23, 2016, 10:06:01 am
They just released version 8.0 and my license that has "Free updates until 9/26/2017" stopped working.

Kind of a bummer!
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: tls62dk on May 23, 2016, 10:14:47 am
Yeah, it is. But on the other hand this software is so important to me that I bought a new license yesterday. Fingers crossed that they stay in business for a long time.

The discount benefits all users, not just Slysoft customers. It kind of make sense, that a new company cannot be expected to honor a license from another company. I also had a lifetime license with Slysoft. Redfox offers the same which is the one I got.
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: mark_h on May 23, 2016, 10:59:42 am
My concern is they will get put out of business again rather quickly...  

As I only use it for ripping, I will wait until I find a disc I cannot rip without it...
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: greynolds on May 23, 2016, 11:06:51 am
^ I had 3 lifetime AnyDVD HD licenses.  It's not ideal to have to purchase again, but I will as I feel like I got good value out of my previous licenses.  However, I probably don't need 3 licenses anymore, so I'll probably just buy 1 Redfox AnyDVD HD license for now.
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: Sesam on May 23, 2016, 03:15:07 pm
I'm surprised and concerned that they are offering lifetime licenses. Because in the long run that is an unreliable business model, though maybe those lifetime licenses will only be available initially. Or maybe they are betting on not being able to stay in business much longer than 3 years anyway because of constant pressure from the Hollywood mafia :P
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: astromo on June 07, 2016, 06:10:38 am
As a Lifetime purchaser that is unfortunate. However, I guess it is lifetime since Slysoft died...

Have to wait and see how good a deal they are offering to existing owners.

What do you think about 20%?
https://forum.redfox.bz/threads/discount-on-new-anydvd.69696/ (https://forum.redfox.bz/threads/discount-on-new-anydvd.69696/)
Counts regardless of whether you're a new or old customer.

It's a better deal if you got caught on the cusp:
https://forum.redfox.bz/threads/unlucky-slysoft-purchasers-50-discount-free-1y-license.69438/ (https://forum.redfox.bz/threads/unlucky-slysoft-purchasers-50-discount-free-1y-license.69438/)

For what it's worth, I'm sticking with MakeMKV (provided they keep their doors open).
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: syndromeofadown on July 26, 2016, 02:05:25 pm
The Redfox 20 percent off deal has ended and anydvd is now up to 109 EUR.

I didn't buy a new licence for the following reasons:
1 It doesn't work. Half the discs I have tried with the new version either won't play or have errors.
2 The price is ridiculous. They may be a new company but they are not starting from scratch. They are charging a premium price for maintenance.
3 They will likely vanish again soon.
4 Who's to say the whole "shut down" wasn't just a plan by Slysoft to charge everyone again?

I have purchased MakeMKV instead and am quite happy with it.
Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: amcneish on July 26, 2016, 11:01:50 pm
While slyfox is gone... redfox has picked the torch and is now running...  You have to relicense is the only issue...  but other than that.. all works as it used to!

Title: Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
Post by: astromo on July 26, 2016, 11:48:50 pm
I have purchased MakeMKV instead and am quite happy with it.

I bought into MakeMKV before I knew about AnyDVD.

So, I've always ripped and manually worked through the DVD/BD's individual files and catalogued the feature and any extras to suit. Just a routine process for me, so I'm not used to anything different.

For a piece of software in perpetual beta, I reckon it's pretty good. So good that I thought it was worth a one off payment just to avoid the ongoing need to enter in the new beta key every month or so and to give the developer some financial kudos.

When I checked out AnyDVD when it was part of SlySoft, my assessment for my needs was that it didn't offer sufficient value to be worth buying. Each to their own. Good on you for being happy with your choice.