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Title: Media Center 9.1.225 beta available...
Post by: Matt on July 30, 2003, 02:33:29 pm
Please read VERY carefully. This is a BETA version of 9.1.  If you expect things to work, please download the latest 9.0 build from this thread:      
     
http://www.musicex.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=MediaCenter;action=di splay;num=1054751628
     
but if you're patient and willing to help us work out some of the bugs, you can download 9.1 here (recommended for experts only):      
     
ftp://ftp.jriver.com/pub/downloads/music/MediaCenter91225.exe
       
(backup your library before installing)    
   
Please report any 9.1 problems in this thread.  Keep a list of problems and if they aren't fixed in the next build, please post the list again.    
   
History:
1. Fixed: Mini-me playlist would change column sizes if auto-size was turned on.
2. Fixed: Left and right would switch library panes when in-place editing in the panes.
3. Fixed: Panes wouldn't always keep focus like expected when navigating with keyboard.
4. Fixed: Visualizations wouldn't "move" if the output format was using more than 2 channels.
5. Fixed: Setting the output format to 4 channels wouldn't "stick" in DSP studio.
6. Changed: "Find Music" renamed "Find Media".
7. NEW: When searching a view that's a subset of the whole library, MC shows a "search entire library" message when there are no hits.
8. Changed: "Album Thumbnails" menu item disabled in views where album grouping isn't available.
9. Fixed: "Undo", "Redo", and "Tagging Mode" weren't listed as available toolbar buttons.
10. NEW: Tag parsing in Download Manager is back.
11. Changed: Send To menu in list right-click menu shows MRU (Most Recently Used) item.  It's saved between sessions.
12. Changed: Redesigned column, sorting, etc. saving to be more intuitive.
13. Changed: Skin drawing with margins smarter when drawing pieces with large margins to small areas.
14. Changed: Put file properties combo list back to how it was in 9.1.223 and before.
Title: Re: Media Center 9.1.225 beta available...
Post by: Rands on July 30, 2003, 02:46:58 pm
Title: Re: Media Center 9.1.225 beta available...
Post by: mkutsen on July 30, 2003, 03:00:10 pm
1)Dragging the scroll bar in the options menu changes the appearance of the scroll bar from MC skin style to the default windows style and back, making scrolling very jerky.    (I am having this problem with any skin -- currently Brushed metal)    
 
2)When one uses ASIO for streaming web content, switching stations causes stuttering and occasionally crashes.  This bug has been there forever!    
   
3) I also liked selective text for tool bar buttons.

4) Double-clicking on empty space in Hairstyle doesn't switch you bakc to MEGA-ME anymore.      
     
5) MC does not remember 4 channel output selection for Direct Sound.  It switches back to 2 channels.  
   
6) I still think you should be able to hear MC fast forwarding while you hold the 'fast forward' button like every other player; same for  the rewind button.    
 
7) MC downloads *.rm files instead of streaming them  
This is an old bug.
Title: Re: Media Center 9.1.225 beta available...
Post by: dragyn on July 30, 2003, 03:23:09 pm
Crashes when importing.

I had to redo the library as my other one died. Started fresh and started to import some images...and MC just vanished after about 3,000 files or so.

Could it be a bad file? I don't know because I have no way of identifing the last successful file.

-

Delimited fields do not get imported (saved in file) if the field isn't setup in MC prior to importing.

Media Center Registered 9.1.225 -- C:\Program Files\J River\Media Center\

Microsoft Windows XP  Workstation 5.1 Service Pack 1 (Build 2600)
AMD Athlon 805 MHz MMX / Memory: Total - 196 MB, Free - 13 MB

Internet Explorer: 6.0.2800.1106 / ComCtl32.dll: 5.82 (xpsp1.020828-1920) / Shlwapi.dll: 6.00.2800.1106 (xpsp1.020828-1920) / Shell32.dll: 6.00.2800.1233 (xpsp2.030604-1804) / wnaspi32.dll: N/A
Ripping /   Drive E:   Copy mode:ModeBurstBigBuffer   CD Type:Auto   Read speed:Max
 Drive F:   Copy mode:ModeBurstBigBuffer   CD Type:Auto   Read speed:Max
 Digital playback: Yes /  Use YADB: Yes /  Get cover art: No /  Calc replay gain: Yes /  Copy volume: 32767
 Eject after ripping: No /  Play sound after ripping: No  

Burning /  Drive E: TEAC     CD-W54E            Addr: 1:0:0  Speed:4  MaxSpeed:4  BurnProof:No
 Test mode: No /  Eject after writing: Yes /  Direct decoding: No /  Write CD-Text: No
 Use playback settings: No /  Normalization: None
Title: Re: Media Center 9.1.225 beta available...
Post by: JimH on July 30, 2003, 03:46:08 pm
Dave,
Split your import in half and then in half again to see if you can find the problem file, if it is that.  Then send it to matt @ jriver.com with a note.

Thanks,

Jim
Title: Re: Media Center 9.1.225 beta available...
Post by: Rands on July 30, 2003, 03:52:25 pm
Title: Re: Media Center 9.1.225 beta available...
Post by: knickelfarz on July 30, 2003, 04:00:05 pm
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11. Changed: Send To menu in list right-click menu shows MRU (Most Recently Used) item.  It's saved between sessions.
12. Changed: Redesigned column, sorting, etc. saving to be more intuitive.
Great - Thanks :D

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13. Changed: Skin drawing with margins smarter when drawing pieces with large margins to small areas.
I see that the behavior has changed somehow - especially if something is resized to a very small width, for example. Even the hover effect of the mentioned Playerbar_Slider is OK now. But when you click the Slider to drag the position, the area where it is "catched" is like before...funny...so I dare to post this again ;) :

The Position Slider, the Volume Slider and the small Shuffle, DSP and Continious On/Off buttons loose mouse focus on their bottoms when they are placed a little bit lower. This seems to happen because the "Playerbar_SliderPos" image is always drawn 16 pixel high... Maybe it would be possible that it's drawn like the height of the "Playerbar_SliderPos" image instead of being fixed?

Sorry, I even dare to ask again for the Search Bar text color... :P :
Can there be something added to define the color of the Search Bar text? It would be nice to set the background of the "Playerbar_Search" image to something darker in some cases... Maybe the color of the text that is written in the Search Bar can be set together with the <PLAYERBAR> "Display>Colors" entry?
Title: Re: Media Center 9.1.225 beta available...
Post by: Marko on July 30, 2003, 04:24:39 pm
Make a VS with [date] as a pane, select file(s), enter tagging mode (note the absence of any warning), in the date pane, click on <new date>, enter a date, any date, and confirm it. The tag always sets to some date in January 1900. The properties' "Date" field works fine.

-marko
Title: Re: Media Center 9.1.225 beta available...
Post by: Empyrean on July 30, 2003, 05:10:55 pm
I'm a relatively new user but I thought for sure I was once able to right-click on the CD-Rom drive and eject the CD. I think it's missing.
Title: Re: Media Center 9.1.225 beta available...
Post by: gmonkey on July 30, 2003, 05:27:50 pm
Great build again guys!

Here's what's left from me:

B2. When MC is busy for a long while (such as updating properties for 5,000 files), the display does not update, which means I can't access my desktop, and other windows will show ghost images when closed, moved, resized, etc.

B3. Embedded images within music files are not transferred over the Media Server. They should show in Playing Now, as thumbnails, and in the properties windows.

B5. Running mouse up the rating column will keep the rating hover effect on once you leave the area.

B7. Error when loading this jpeg: http://glh.brim.net/IMG_0382.jpg

B9. Page Down in thumbnail mode doesn't work if there are 1.9_ rows or less.

Title: Re: Media Center 9.1.225 beta available...
Post by: RemyJ on July 30, 2003, 05:38:58 pm
Title: Re: Media Center 9.1.225 beta available...
Post by: nila on July 30, 2003, 06:06:15 pm
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11. Changed: Send To menu in list right-click menu shows MRU (Most Recently Used) item.  It's saved between sessions.


? ? why  ? ?
I didn't see any complaints about it being how it was.

Putting everything in the 'Send To' menu added a LOT of unnecessary clicking for me and the day you did it - I searched the forum and found the reg hack for the number of items it remembered and increased it to 4 so as to remove these extra clicks when doing tasks.

? Now you've also put all these memory items back in a sub level again  ?

I didn't see any requests for everything to be put in the 'Send To' to begin with and I didn't see any to have the memory moved to 'Send To' either. I've seen three requests I think it is so far from users asking to have it back to a nice big clear right click not hidden in 'send to' though.

How come it was changed :'(

Also, not sure if it's possible - but is there any reg hack I could do to get it back, this is just introducing a lot more unnecessary clicking - the best menu was the one with everything at the top level - almost all tasks were no further than one click away. When that was gone at least I could use the MRU as a work around.


If there's no way this is going to be changed back is there ANY chance (on my knee's begging) that BOTH the main menu and the 'Send To' menu could be given MRU's - the main menu's one could be set to 0 as default and so it would appear not to have any and would look like it does now, yet if we wanted - we could go into the registry and give it as many items as we wanted?
Title: Re: Media Center 9.1.225 beta available...
Post by: Rands on July 30, 2003, 06:13:17 pm
I really, really like the MRU being there *especially* since it's separate from the MRU on the main context menu.  Having a Send To-specific MRU really helps alleviate any sub-menu woes that I once had.

If you do change it back, then change the Send To menu back to one big menu as per Nila's suggestion.  Otherwise, this works even better for me!
Title: Re: Media Center 9.1.225 beta available...
Post by: Doof on July 30, 2003, 06:46:07 pm
Nila> Why are you doing extra clicks? The menu will open just by hovering over it. So no extra clicks.
Title: Re: Media Center 9.1.225 beta available...
Post by: RemyJ on July 30, 2003, 06:57:33 pm
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If there's no way this is going to be changed back is there ANY chance (on my knee's begging) that BOTH the main menu and the 'Send To' menu could be given MRU's


I have both now.  
Title: Re: Media Center 9.1.225 beta available...
Post by: breadfan on July 30, 2003, 07:33:35 pm
back when i used media center 9.0.180 I couldn't get the 32 bit setting to ever work. 24 bit worked fine, but neither 32 bit or 4.1 and 5.1 jrss would ever work. I upgraded to i think 9.1.221 or around there, and for some reason 32 bit sound now works. Out of no where it just starts working. I run on ASIO output and im really glad about this development, but I was wondering why that happened and why 4.1 and 5.1 don't work.

What happens when I now adjust my dsp to either 4.1 or 5.1 jrss is the same thing that happened in previous versions when i selected 32 bit. It runs just fine until i play something. Then the window disappears and the program magically shuts down with no warning, error message or anything.

Anyone have any idea why any of this happens?

BTW Im running on an audigy 2 platinum with kx drivers

God Bless,
Greg

Media Center Registered 9.1.225 -- G:\Program Files\J River\Media Center\

Microsoft Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 1 (Build 2600)
AMD Athlon 2160 MHz MMX / Memory: Total - 1048 MB, Free - 618 MB

Internet Explorer: 6.0.2800.1106 / ComCtl32.dll: 5.82 (xpsp1.020828-1920) / Shlwapi.dll: 6.00.2800.1106 (xpsp1.020828-1920) / Shell32.dll: 6.00.2800.1233 (xpsp2.030604-1804) / wnaspi32.dll: Internal ASPI Layer

Ripping /   Drive H:   Copy mode:ModeSecure   CD Type:Auto   Read speed:Max
 Drive I:   Copy mode:ModeSecure   CD Type:Auto   Read speed:Max
 Drive J:   Copy mode:ModeBurstBigBuffer   CD Type:Auto   Read speed:Max
 Digital playback: Yes /  Use YADB: Yes /  Get cover art: Yes /  Calc replay gain: No /  Copy volume: 32767
 Eject after ripping: Yes /  Play sound after ripping: Yes  Soundfile:   chord.wav

Burning /  Drive H: PLEXTOR  CD-R   PX-W4824A   Addr: 1:0:0  Speed:48  MaxSpeed:48  BurnProof:Yes
 Test mode: No /  Eject after writing: Yes /  Direct decoding: No /  Write CD-Text: No
 Use playback settings: Yes /  Normalization: None
Title: Re: Media Center 9.1.225 beta available...
Post by: JeffB on July 30, 2003, 08:17:45 pm
DVD playback still doesn't work.  :(
Title: Re: Media Center 9.1.225 beta available...
Post by: jleerigby on July 30, 2003, 09:37:23 pm
I'm with Nila.  Isn't the whole point of MRU the fact that it's a time saver giving you chance to repeat a previously used task more quickly than how it was when you first used it.  If it's put in a sub menu you may as well just access it from it's normal home.
Title: Re: Media Center 9.1.225 beta available...
Post by: Cmagic on July 30, 2003, 10:46:21 pm
Good Morning folks,

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12. Changed: Redesigned column, sorting, etc. saving to be more intuitive.


- Well, that saves a few clicks but isn't it possible to make the "Columns to show" menu persistant so that each time you select/deselect a field you don't have to right click/scroll again for each and every field you want to add/remove ?

- As it is now, the columns header in the list view displays the 'Display' name as configured in options while the properties pane shows the 'Name' of the tag (talking here for APE tags). Is it possible that both uses the same name as it can be a bit confusing when the name of the property is not the same as its 'Display' name.

- I think it could also help if the showed category would be indicated on top of the properties pane. Right now if you have selected to view the "Display" properties, you can't tell you're viewing the 'Display' fields just by looking at the pane (unless you are a seasoned user ! ) you need to RMC/Fields to Show to check what category is currently displayed.

- Maybe the category named "display" could be renamed images ?? and the 'Image File' field could be moved in there ?

HAND (Have A Nice Day)

C.

thanks.
Title: Re: Media Center 9.1.225 beta available...
Post by: Polonio on July 30, 2003, 11:26:13 pm
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8. Changed: "Album Thumbnails" menu item disabled in views where album grouping isn't available.



Possible bug:

Should "Album Thumbnails" be available in image and videos schemes views? What is it suppose to show?

Suggestion:

I already opened a thread to discuss if "Detailed Thumbnails" is really necesary in music schemes views. May be, a simple "Details/Thumbnails" decision is enoght to handle all situations ("Thumbnails" could mean "Album Thumbnails" in music views, and "Track Thumbnails" in any other case"). Much simpler, much better.
Title: Re: Media Center 9.1.225 beta available...
Post by: nila on July 30, 2003, 11:38:28 pm
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I have both now.  

How?

tell me tell me ;)
Title: Re: Media Center 9.1.225 beta available...
Post by: slikvik on July 31, 2003, 01:45:28 am
Is Mjextman.exe /play Treepath going to come back?
Title: Re: Media Center 9.1.225 beta available...
Post by: Marko on July 31, 2003, 02:17:06 am
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I have both now.  

I have both too. I have the familiar entries that appear atop the right-click root menu + the new entry atop the sendto menu.

If the sendto's mru entry can be remembered across sessions, is it at all possible for the others too? I set my MruCommandCount to 5 and after working a bit on imported files it's so handy to have those 5 options right there. Please can they be remembered across sessions too :)
Title: Re: Media Center 9.1.225 beta available...
Post by: gmonkey on July 31, 2003, 06:10:32 am
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Should "Album Thumbnails" be available in image and videos schemes views? What is it suppose to show?

Think of photo albums, art collections, TV season episodes, collection of songs from a live concert, etc.

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"Thumbnails" could mean "Album Thumbnails" in music views, and "Track Thumbnails" in any other case"). Much simpler, much better.

I would disagree here, but that's my opinion. I sometimes have a strange mix of music queued, but I want to see the thumbnails *without* them being grouped. As a matter of fact, it helps me to find when two songs from the same album will be playing back to back in the mix.

I do wish that I could designate an image as the "album cover" for photo albums, but that's a feature request, so just ignore that for now. ;)

Bug: MIDI files are no longer supported. [Or is this by design?]
Title: Re: Media Center 9.1.225 beta available...
Post by: 7_cats on July 31, 2003, 06:34:00 am
hi--thanks for the frequent updates--but frankly, i just rip cds, and sync with my pod, so i don't even understand most of this stuf; i just dutifully keep updating.
2 requests:

1) a MANUAL so i can learn how all this works!! i'll bet the smartlists would be just nifty, but i just can't figure it all out!  and i doubt that a mc9 for dummies book is on the way :)

2) a way to simply copy an audio cd from , say, my dvd drive to my cdrw so i don't have to rip (and to which format?).  i hate to have to use nero when mc9 seems so complete.

many thanks
Title: Re: Media Center 9.1.225 beta available...
Post by: clout on July 31, 2003, 06:49:55 am
Bug:  Attempting DVD Playback crashes MC

When I attempt to play a DVD disc I get a popup box labelled TEST whith the message DVD Mode ON.
This stays on the screen for approx 2 seconds then MC closes.

Media Center Registered 9.1.225 -- C:\Program Files\J River\Media Center\

Microsoft Windows XP  Workstation 5.1  (Build 2600)
Intel Pentium III 1000 MHz MMX / Memory: Total - 523 MB, Free - 240 MB

Internet Explorer: 6.0.2600.0000 / ComCtl32.dll: 5.82 (xpclient.010817-1148) / Shlwapi.dll: 6.00.2600.0000 (xpclient.010817-1148) / Shell32.dll: 6.00.2600.0000 (xpclient.010817-1148) / wnaspi32.dll: 4.57 (1008) , ASPI for Win32 (95/NT) DLL, Copyright © 1989-1997 Adaptec, Inc. / Aspi32.sys: 4.71 (0001)

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 Drive Q:   Copy mode:ModeSecure   CD Type:Auto   Read speed:Max
 Drive R:   Copy mode:ModeSecure   CD Type:Auto   Read speed:Max
 Digital playback: Yes /  Use YADB: Yes /  Get cover art: Yes /  Calc replay gain: Yes /  Copy volume: 32767
 Eject after ripping: No /  Play sound after ripping: No  

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 Test mode: No /  Eject after writing: Yes /  Direct decoding: Yes /  Write CD-Text: No
 Use playback settings: Yes /  Normalization: None
Title: Re: Media Center 9.1.225 beta available...
Post by: RemyJ on July 31, 2003, 07:00:37 am
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>>I have both now

How?

tell me tell me ;)


Maybe I'm just special :)

The original MRU list on the right-click menu never went away.  The one for the Send-To menu just appeared.   If I do Rename Files... it shows up on the main MRU list, if I do a send-to burner, it shows up on both MRU lists.  Maybe your MRUCommandCount got set to 0 or something.  Mine's still at 10 where I set it a while back.
Title: Re: Media Center 9.1.225 beta available...
Post by: knickelfarz on July 31, 2003, 07:36:26 am
I made a test skin to show the strange behavior of the "Playerbar" sliders and buttons. I don't know with which version this behavior came up, maybe I just didn't noticed it before...

The "Playerbar_SliderVol" and "Playerbar_SliderPos" images are set to light green, a dark green line shows the horizontal influence of the bottom of the "Playerbar_SliderPos"...

Please install this and take a look at the hoover effect and in which case the buttons react to mouse clicks or a sliders can be draged - it's really strange: SliderTestSkin (http://www.futurehome.de/mc/skins/SliderTest.mjp)
Title: Re: Media Center 9.1.225 beta available...
Post by: Polonio on July 31, 2003, 08:57:28 am
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Should "Album Thumbnails" be available in image and videos schemes views?


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Think of photo albums, art collections, TV season episodes, collection of songs from a live concert, etc.

I do wish that I could designate an image as the "album cover" for photo albums, but that's a feature request, so just ignore that for now. ;)



Yes, images albums makes sense, and I also vote for your request. But since we can't set album covers, the option to visualize album thumbsnails should not be available. (I think)

If MC 9.2 or MC 10 implements this functionality, I still think a toogle buttom to switch between detailed view and thumbsnail view still make sense. All we would need is another button to switch between Album view and Track view. (This way, if you wish, you could still see song track thumbsnails)

I just realize MC buttons rarely do nothing by it self. MC buttons popups menu, or open dialog windows, but they do nothing by it self. This is not a standard Windows behavior. And it goes against usability. Think about Word toolbar, almost every button has an inmediate effect to your selection (bold, size, page view, print, allignment, ...). MC does not work this way. MC requiers a lot  clicking.

I think this is because initially MC has been very menu oriented (right-click button), so they still have a way to walk to full discover toolbar potential ˇˇThere is no button to play the selection!!

I think I will tell JimH something about it  :)
Title: Re: Media Center 9.1.225 beta available...
Post by: Matt on July 31, 2003, 09:02:08 am
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There is no button to play the selection!!


The play button is the biggest button on the program.  Pick some music and click it.
Title: Re: Media Center 9.1.225 beta available...
Post by: schwaa on July 31, 2003, 09:12:46 am
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14. Changed: Put file properties combo list back to how it was in 9.1.223 and before.

8)  Thanks!

However, there is still no way now to colapse (like in previous builds) Fields To Show.  Alternatively, being able to select two Fields To Show (e.g. General and Extended, as opposed to All Catagories or a single one) would clean Properties up and also work.  I do not need People or Places for Audio, but I do like to see General, Extended AND File Info in one view.
Title: Re: Media Center 9.1.225 beta available...
Post by: Polonio on July 31, 2003, 09:15:45 am
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The play button is the biggest button on the program.  Pick some music and click it.


The play button dissapear if something is already playing  :)

Anyway, my comment was just a paradigmatic sample. I was wondering if some buttons may be missing. I think they are.

I also think buttons could be bigger and cleaner. Look Internet Explorer buttons. Or even APA buttons.

I am not complaining, I love MC, but you have to admit it is not toolbar oriented...  

Title: Re: Media Center 9.1.225 beta available...
Post by: bthall on July 31, 2003, 09:19:28 am
When you use the "minimize" button in upper right corner w/ 9.1.225, MC disappears from the task bar at the bottom of the screen.

BarryT
Title: Re: Media Center 9.1.225 beta available...
Post by: jleerigby on July 31, 2003, 09:32:37 am
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...but I do like to see General, Extended AND File Info in one view.
The easy solution to this is to allow you to change the category each library field is listed in via the tree and view settings (existing feature).  I've managed to do this so all the fields I need are in the general category.  

However, it now seems that this option is greyed out for all fields except custom ones I've created myself.

Is there any chance this can be changed to allow users some control over which fields appear in which category?
Title: Re: Media Center 9.1.225 beta available...
Post by: jleerigby on July 31, 2003, 09:50:54 am
Fixed: All view schemes that hang of a custom group show visible columns relating to images (people, places etc) and being a music only user this is none too helpful. I can select Make all like current to alter it but it resets every time I close and reopen MC. Thank you.

Open:
If you use the panes (say you select an artist then album) then search, the results are erratic.  It doesn't restrict the results to the selected pane, nor does it find all results for the scheme.  In a previous response I think you implied that it should restrict itself to the selected pane.

Additionally, if you delete the text in the search bar all the panes reset which is a real pain.

and finally..
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7. NEW: When searching a view that's a subset of the whole library, MC shows a "search entire library" message when there are no hits.
12. Changed: Redesigned column, sorting, etc. saving to be more intuitive.
14. Changed: Put file properties combo list back to how it was in 9.1.223 and before.
Great job.  Thank you so much.
Title: Re: Media Center 9.1.225 beta available...
Post by: jleerigby on July 31, 2003, 10:00:30 am
Bug: (I think?)If you add tracks to an empty playing now (and the general option is set so playback does not start automatically when tracks are added) then you click the play button the message 'Please select files to play' is displayed.  This is because none of the files in playing now have a green symbol next to them.  This causes a problem if you hit play using a remote.  The only way round the problem appears to be to double click on a file in playing now.
Title: Re: Media Center 9.1.225 beta available...
Post by: Rands on July 31, 2003, 10:26:28 am
Getting some strange redrawing behavior in the panes.  MC will work just fine and then I'll go to click on a song title and all of the panes and file info will disappear.  I can drag another window over MC and it will redraw everything but it's pretty garbled.  If i try to click on it again, nothing happens.  Sometimes a second scrollbar will appear above the first and I can scroll the garbage re-draw around.  No matter what view I click on, or whether I minimize and restore, I can't click on anything in panes.  Only restarting the app fixes this.

This just started with .255.  No changes have been made to my video drivers nor do any other programs behave strangely like this.

Not sure if it's a bug or what.