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More => Old Versions => Media Jukebox => Topic started by: SteveG on December 06, 2002, 01:14:58 pm
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Hello Everyone.
For anyone coming to this site for the first time, please take a look at the help file created by Adam....
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~ashawley01/
It is an incredibly helpful resource.
I have just posted a new Plug-in (3.0.27). If you install it, please get the latest MC (9.0.87).
3.0.27 includes:
1) Fix for too many files going to folder F19.
2) Added an option to update tags during Synchronization.
Please post any issues here and I will take a crack at them on Monday.
Thanks again for everyone's help.
Steve
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Awesome Steve, thanks for the new build. Fun testing for the weekend.
Updated the help file (http://www.home.earthlink.net/~ashawley01) btw. Used Robohelp, so hopefully it's easier to navigate.
Also, added some new sections.
If Jim likes it, tell him to steal what he wants. Or there's always my motto: "Will Work for 20 Giger" ;) ;D ;D
Adam
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Thanks Adam. I love it! It's a pleasure to receive an unexpected gift.
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>> "Will Work for 20 Giger"
never heard that before
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It's a pleasure to receive an unexpected gift.
'Tis the season Jim! ;)
Steve:
Here are the results of my testing:
1. Looks like GUI lock is back. Here's what I did: I formatted my iPod for MJ. Then I sync'd my tunes (2002 songs). Everything worked fine. I did not get GUI lock at all. Then I did another sync immediatly after, no changes to anything, just another sync. It raced through the first 260 songs or so, then I got GUI lock. If finished OK eventually. Strange that.
2. I also saw the Update tags feature and tried that out. Didn't work for me. I added some songs, then went into Media Libary and changed the track title on 20 songs. I then did a sync and checked that check box. No dice, the songs remained the same on my iPod, they didn't reflect the changes I made in MC
One thing of note on this feature. Seems to me that this should always be the process, meaning it should work like the Safely Convert files feature. My only caveat to that would be if updating the tags causes a big degredationin performance. If that is the case than you should leave it up to the user to decide (meaning leave it the way you have it implemented).
3. I checked out the F19 file folder problem, that didn't work for me either. I have even MORE songs in my F19 folder now (1,889). Before I had something like 100 songs in the F00 through F18 and the 400 or so in the F19 folder. Something's strange here. I'm sure I have the new build as the "update tags" feature wasn't there before.
I'll try again with smaller sync's and report back.
Adam
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I have just posted a new Plug-in (3.0.27). If you install it, please get the latest MC (9.0.87).
That build was pulled. It will crash when you go to Playing Now. If you want to try it anyway, you can find it here:
ftp://ftp.jriver.com/pub/downloads/music/MediaCenter90087.exe
Thanks for any patience you may have left. ;)
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That build was pulled. It will crash when you go to Playing Now. If you want to try it anyway, you can find it here:
The plug-in build or the MC9 build? For what its worth both worked for me.
I did my weekly iPod update which involved adding the files I'd ripped this week (by sending a library load smartlist to the plug-in and having it figure which files I already had) and adding/deleting some playlists. No problems at all using both new builds except for occasional GUI freezes which seemed to resolve themselves.
Did I mention that I love Media Center and my iPod? Well just in case I haven't...I do! :)
-=Tim=-
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>> The plug-in build or the MC9 build?
MC Build
>> Did I mention that I love Media Center and my iPod?
Send it to me, i will test it for you and see if the quality is ok for you.
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>> Did I mention that I love Media Center and my iPod?
Send it to me, i will test it for you and see if the quality is ok for you.
Thanks for your generous offer but my iPod and I are inseparable. (http://users.telenet.be/eforum/emoticons4u/love/417.gif)
-=Tim=-
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As a biginner, I very much enjoy reading Adam's online help. BTW, where can I find the "Safely Convert" function, which the help file mentions as below.
"MC's iPod plugin has a "Safely Convert" function"
Thanks in advance.
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Hey Sei, I should have been more clear in that. The "Safely Convert" function is built into the plugin. There's nothing you have to do. If, during Upload or Sync MC finds a file of a type that they iPod doesn't support (WMA for example), it will automatically convert it to MP3.
At least I believe that's how Steve implemented it. Steve, set me straight if I'm wrong on that. I haven't tested it myself, but I believe that's how it works.
Adam
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I think its in the iPod plug-in's Options button but defaulted on so there's no need to change it unless you do NOT want safely convert.
Again, subject to Steve's correction as I'm at my desktop machine which I don't plug my iPod into so no plug-in. :)
-=Tim=-
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Good morning all,
Everyone,
Can others confirm Adam's file distribution to Folder F19 bug?
In regards to the Safety Convert, this option can be found if you select the "Options" button when you are preparing to upload files. If you select "Force file conversion during uploads." MJ will convert any files that you are uploading that are not in the selected format and bitrate.
Adam,
When you modified the track title, what MJ field are you referring to? Filename or Name? If you modify FileName, then it is not treated as a duplicate on iPod.
Steve
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Newest build, newest (broken, hehe) MC9.
Skipping is much better, but definately still a problem. None of the songs that skipped on me this morning have any odd characters in their filenames (besides the - character... and it's in ALL of my files). Most files are still going into F19:
F00 10
F01 11
F02 14
F03 8
F04 6
F05 11
F06 14
F07 7
F08 12
F09 5
F10 13
F11 8
F12 8
F13 13
F14 10
F15 6
F16 9
F17 10
F18 11
F19 2274
(Post would be shorter if I could figure out how to use YABB's table function, heh. I'm still curious to see what F00 - F39 would do, :P)
About the safety convert... based on what you described, here's how I understand it works now:Selected format/bitrate = MP3 CBR 192kbps- Song #1, MP3 CBR 192kbps -- not converted.
- Song #2, OGG -- converted to target format/bitrate.
- Song #3, MP3 VBR (High) -- converted to target format/bitrate.
- Song #4, MP3 CBR 128kbps -- converted to target format/bitrate.
- Song #5, WAV -- converted to target format/bitrate.
- Song #6, AIFF -- converted to target format/bitrate.
- Song #7, AA (Audible) -- converted to target format/bitrate.
If the above is correct, I suggest changing it so that songs are only checked for format - not bitrate. The way that I had it in mind, only song #2 in the above example would have been converted; that is, only songs that aren't inherently compatible with the iPod would be converted. If I read you right, the way it is now, the plugin will convert an MP3 to an MP3 if the bitrate doesn't match, which seems to be a waste.
Anyway, I hope you had a restful weekend, ;) Looking forward to this week's goodies!
Kurt
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I report same "F19 file folder problem". 7 to 8 songs in F1 to F18 folder, but Most of the songs (700 something)in F19.
Also I confirm Safely convert function work. Very nice! ;D
I agree that only formats which is not supported by ipod should be converted. I'm converting my CD's to APE format into my PC, and then when uploading to ipod, I want them in MP3. So, it will be nicer, if it is selectable. That is whether to convert ALL formats to predetermined format, or Only thouse not supported by ipod.
Another observation is that, MC9 was very unstable, when I played around IPOD for uploading. Newest IPOD plug-in, MC9.0.84.
It shutdown a few times. But with patience I will wait. Only if you continue to make nice things like "Safely convert function" ;D
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Adam,
When you modified the track title, what MJ field are you referring to? Filename or Name? If you modify FileName, then it is not treated as a duplicate on iPod.
I'm referring to MC's Track Name field. I did *not* change the file name as I figured that the plugin would see a different file name and re-upload the songs.
In most cases this feature will really not be needed for me because if I change Artist, Album, Track# or Track Title I'll rename the file to match since the file is renamed, the iPod will automatically upload the new version and delete the old. But if I change Genre, that wouldn't have any effect on the file name, so the Update Tags feature needs to come into play here. And I do a lot of Genre changing as I refine my library more and more.
Not everyone is a picky as I am about renaming files when their properties change...I just have a habit of doing it. But for folks that don't rename files when they change the above mentioned tags, the Update Tags feature will be really important.
Adam
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As an aside, I notice that the forums were renamed a bit today. Any thoughts on moving this thread to the development forum?
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Hello again,
A new build is posted (3.0.28) with a minor change to hopefully resolve the random folder issue which will hopefully take care of any residual skipping file issues.
Kurt,
The conversion is as you describe it. The reason for doing the conversion if the bitrate is different is that this is what lots of people need to do for all of the players where space is an issue (unlike all of you lucky iPod owners). You seem to feel pretty strongly about it so I can make it optional when I have some time.
Adam,
I am confused. If you modify the "Name" field in MC this shoud be updated on iPod. Also Genre or Artist or Album. Which MC field do you mean when you say "Track Title"? Sorry to not follow you. Also, if you need the Plug-in to modify Track# I will need to add it.
Kurt,
In regards to the Development Forum, maybe, but I think more people will see the information here.
Thanks all.
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I've downloaded the latest version of MC (9.0.88) and the new plugin (3.0.28) and given it a stress test.
I started with a freshly restored and formatted iPod and uploaded my full synch list in one go, a total of 1664 songs. The upload went fine taking around 35 minutes.
Unfortunately I still get the F19 problem. I currently have 800 songs in that folder compared to around 50 in each of the other folders.
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Steve:
All I did for my test was to rename the "Name" value on some files in MJ. This is the song name. I just did it in Media Library. I didn't do anything fancy. Just changed the name on a song, uploaded and the new name wasn't reflected on the iPod.
As far as Track#. Yes, that is going to be important. For example, if I have the Track#'s wrong on an Album and correct them, when I do my next sync, MC should pick up the change and re-upload the song.
I hope that's clear.....really, I can't think of any other way to put it? :-/
Adam
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OK, new build of everything.
I reformat and perform a sync. Everything gets copied back to the iPod just fine. I change the definition of one synchronized smart list to include only files with a rating >3. I go to sync and MJ crashes. If I sync with that one smart list unchecked, MJ doesn't crash.
If I delete a playlist from MJ and then sync, the playlist is not removed from the iPod. The playlist on the iPod ends up getting filled with two garbage entries instead of being deleted altogether.
Media Jukebox PLUS 9.0.88 -- C:\Program Files\J River\Media Jukebox\
Microsoft Windows XP Workstation 5.1 Service Pack 1 (Build 2600)
Intel Pentium III 1004 MHz MMX / Memory: Total - 1048 MB, Free - 545 MB
Internet Explorer: 6.0.2800.1106 / ComCtl32.dll: 6.00.2800.1106 / Shlwapi.dll: 6.00.2800.1106
Shell32.dll: 6.00.2800.1106 / wnaspi32.dll: Internal ASPI Layer
Ripping / Drive I: Copy mode:ModeSecure CD Type:Auto Read speed:Max
Drive U: Copy mode:ModeSecure CD Type:IDE Read speed:Max
Drive W: Copy mode:ModeSecure CD Type:Auto Read speed:Max
Digital playback: Yes / Use YADB: No / Get cover art: No / Calc replay gain: Yes / Copy volume: 32767
Eject after ripping: Yes / Play sound after ripping: No
Burning / Drive I: YAMAHA CRW2100S Addr: 2:5:0 Speed:16 MaxSpeed:16 Lib:2 GHS:1 Use MJ Engine:No
Drive W: PLEXTOR CD-R PX-W4012A Addr: 3:0:0 Speed:40 MaxSpeed:40 Lib:2 GHS:1 Use MJ Engine:No
Test mode: No / Eject after writing: Yes / Direct decoding: Yes / Two second gap: Yes / Write CD-Text: Yes
Use playback settings: No / Normalization: 90 %
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Good morning all,
A new build (3.0.29).
The F19 problem is fixed. I mean it this time.
I added tag update for Track #.
Fixed bug in deleting empty playlists after synch.
JGourd,
The playlist delete is fixed. I could not duplicate the crash with rating>3. Perhaps the change I made to the playlist delete fixed this.
Adam,
The reason I was hammering on the difference between the "Name" field and Track title, is that when I update tags for "Name" and synch, they get updated fine. Just to be sure, you are synching and not uploading the files directly, right? If so, try changing another field like Genre or Artist and see if the update gets picked up. Also, be sure to have today's plug-in . Thanks.
Steve
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Good morning, Steve! I'm anxious to try out the "I mean it" version, ;) -- Songs were still skipping on the way to work this morning (though I haven't checked the F folders yet).
Tag updates with .28/MC9.88 worked for me last night. One thing about them: I tested synching one playlist, and every synch I would change tags on the songs therein. Every iPod-compatible tag was updated each synch, but the track # tag didn't appear to get updated. When I disconnected, I found that the track #s were getting updated, it just didn't look like it when viewed via the plugin.
Very satisfied with tag updates via synch though, as well as with the "delete files not in list" option. I would like to suggest that both options be enabled by default. Also suggest "memory" for the synch options, so that options checked last time will be checked this time.
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Good morning all,
A new build (3.0.29).
Steve
Steve,
May be a silly question but...how do i check what version of the plug in I am using? Each time you post a new one i go to the plugin page and click on the Ipod plug in. However it never mentions a version number.
Thanks
Graham
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Very satisfied with tag updates via synch though, as well as with the "delete files not in list" option. I would like to suggest that both options be enabled by default. Also suggest "memory" for the synch options, so that options checked last time will be checked this time.
I agree with the default on tag updates, can't imagine why someone would not want that. However I STRONGLY don't agree (sorry Kurt) on "delete files not in list", its a destructive action which IMHO should be requested and I can imagine a number of reasons for not using it. Just imagine updating your 20 gig ipod and then doing a playlist-only update and accidentally having this option selected!!! ARGH! :o I agree with "remembering" the "update tag" choice if its feasible.
:)
-=Tim=-
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TimB,
I'm on the other side on this one, for sure. In my opinion, the whole point of a synch is to make the iPod look like your synched lists. If you don't remove files from the iPod that aren't on the lists, you're not synchronizing... you're just uploading. There's already a great upload queue if you just want to upload files, but if you wanna synch, well... it should synch. That means updating tags every time and deleting non-listed files every time.
I'm of the mind that the "Update Tags" and "Delete Files Not In List" options shouldn't even be options... they should be mandatory. Again, a synchronization is defined (IMHO) as making the iPod mirror your synched lists. That means adding the listed songs, updating the listed songs that are already on the iPod but have changed, and removing songs from the iPod that aren't on the lists... it's part of what a synch is.
I know that the plugin isn't done cooking yet, but when it's out of beta and "final," I say turn both options on and then remove the ability to turn them off. Less checkboxes, less confusion. There's a clear line between synchronization and manual uploading/deleting -- to blur that line will make the plugin as a whole harder to grasp for new users. The whole K.I.S.S. line of thought. Remember, we're veterans in this fight... we know more about this plugin than the new recruits and we should try to make enlisting as easy as possible for them.
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Sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings Steve but the F19 fix didn't work here using MC 9.0.88 and plugin 3.0.29.
Once again I used the Apple updater to restore my iPod, formatted it for MJ and synched my playlists. 1666 songs were uploaded, 814 of which went in the F19 folder.
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Steve:
I'll try again w/the new build posted today but....
I don't know what I'm doing wrong, but update tags didn't work for me last night.
Steps I took:
Connected iPod
Formatted iPod for MJ (still get GUI lock on this btw)
Performed Sync
Changed the Album Name on a an albums worth of songs(from "Lost In Space" to "Lost In Space1")
Performed Sync, with Delete Files Not in List and Update Tags checked
Sync finished
Disconnected iPod
Checked iPod *NO* songs.
Interesting no? The songs were there (when viewed in explorer), but they didn't show up on the iPod itself.
Did another sync w/o those options checked. Still nothing on the iPod.
Reformatted for MJ
Sync (nothing checked)
Song's on iPod fine
Went to sleep.
I've had this repeated before. Am I just weird? I'll try again tonight.
Adam
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<snip!>
Am I just weird?
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Yes. ;)
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Kurt and TimB,
So we don't get into a "Tastes Great, Less Filling" debate, I implemented in the next version of MJ 9 the abililty for your selections to be remembered so all can be happy. By default, "Save Tags" is on.
Graham,
Go to Tools->Plugin Manager->Handheld->Portable Drives and you will find the currently installed version.
Phil,
You are bringing me down. Can you download the Plug-in one more time and try again (even if you have 3.0.29).
Adam,
Can you try synching one small playlist with just a few files and see if you can narrow down the problem. I can't reproduce it here. Can anyone else?
Thanks,
Steve
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TimB,
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I know that the plugin isn't done cooking yet, but when it's out of beta and "final," I say turn both options on and then remove the ability to turn them off. Less checkboxes, less confusion. There's a clear line between synchronization and manual uploading/deleting -- to blur that line will make the plugin as a whole harder to grasp for new users. The whole K.I.S.S. line of thought. Remember, we're veterans in this fight... we know more about this plugin than the new recruits and we should try to make enlisting as easy as possible for them.
Ohmygod! :o
I use a master synch list to load up my ipod with 20 gig o'stuff on a weekly basis and daily playlists to update it and give me some variety. I'm not sure what I'd do with your scenario.
I do understand KISS but you've also got to give your users flexibility and not just tie them into one particular mode of updating. One of the cool things about MC is its flexibility.
Steve, close your ears (or eyes). Aieeeeeeeeeeeeee! ;D
-=Tim=-
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Phil,
You are bringing me down. Can you download the Plug-in one more time and try again (even if you have 3.0.29).
I'm really sorry to have to tell you this Steve. I downloaded the plugin again and made sure it was listed as 3.0.29 in the plug-in manager page. I then formatted my iPod using MC (I didn't restore this time). I then ran my normal synch of 24 playlists consisting of 2914 songs including duplicates. The synch ran through fine, uploading 1667 songs to my iPod. On checking the F19 folder it has 796 songs in it.
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Kurt and TimB,
So we don't get into a "Tastes Great, Less Filling" debate, I implemented in the next version of MJ 9 the abililty for your selections to be remembered so all can be happy. By default, "Save Tags" is on.
Does this mean we have to play nice? :)
-=Tim=-
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Good morning all,
A new build (3.0.29).
The F19 problem is fixed. I mean it this time.
Sorry Steve, I also did a Format for MJ and then did a sync of 2820 files. Of those, 2227 files ended up in F19. I'm using the absolute latest builds as of 7:00 PM Tuesday night.
Also, I haven't seen it mentioned recently... does anyone know whether or not the PC version of iPod keeps track of playcounts like the mac versions? If so, is that one of the next priorities for the plugin?
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I need help. I'm experiencing some problems that I can't resolve.
1. I'm running the latest beta and the latest ipod plug-in
2. I've uploaded files to the ipod. It says they were loaded, however I'm unable to see any when viewing via the ipod. When I go to file explorer, I see the files. But, can't see or do anything with the ipod.
3. I've gone back and forth between build 82 - 87, reformated numerous times. Yet still unable to do anything withs the ipod.
4. Also, I can't find a way to 'eject' the ipod so I end up unplugging. I tried the 'eject' from file explorer but that errors out.
Would someone provide instruction or advice on how to resolve these issues.
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I haven't installed the latest build yet. Now I'm starting to wonder if I should, ;)
Udeups -- I sure hope that it's possible. I've seen a file called "Playcounts" on my iPod before, but I think that Ephpod generated it. It's always been 0 bytes, too. I fear that it might be disabled on a FAT32 iPod. On that tip, has anyone tried a mac-formatted iPod + MacOpener + MJ yet? I'm curious to see if it'd work. Cuz if it did, I'd be curious to see if that playcounts file is bigger than 0 bytes on a HFS iPod. On the real.
TimB -- No way am I playin nice! I'm rubber and you're glue, mister. Nyah nyah nyah! Tastes Great!
Adam -- I can't make MacOpener or MacDrive work on my system. Tried and failed. (That's why I bought XPlay, I guess) That being said, read what I wrote to udeups above. ;)
Buddy -- About #4, here's what to do:
1. Collapse the CD, DVD, & Handhelds tree in MC. Then click somewhere else in MC... like a playlist or something. The idea is that you need to make MC stop using the iPod actively. Make MC forget about the iPod for a second.
2. Now try to unmount it. Use this icon in your start menu. (http://pimpin-seattle.d2g.com/images/stopdevice.gif)
3. If all goes well, you'll see the checkmark. If it says that it's unable to stop the device, that's because something else is actively using the iPod. Take a look around your PC and see what program is calling it. Close that program or do whatever ya need with it. Just don't pull the plug until you get that checkmark, your iPod will thank you.
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Adam -- I can't make MacOpener or MacDrive work on my system. Tried and failed. (That's why I bought XPlay, I guess) That being said, read what I wrote to udeups above. ;)
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So's you're asking *me* to format my iPod to a Mac, and do a little testing are ya? Geez, I don't know, that's gonna be a little hard. See I don't have Macopener either (got crashes on it as well). That's why I got Xplay, same as you Kurt. ;)
Would be a good test, I'd do it if I could.
Anybody else out there w/Macopener or Macdrive *and* Xplay so they can format to a MiPod and test the plugin?
Steve:
F19 problem still there for me as well. What gives man? :)
I think there is also a bug with the "Delete Files Not in List" and the "Update Tags". Problem is, I can't reliably reproduce it in anyway. Per my earlier report, sometimes after I sync, I'm getting *nothing* on the iPod. Oh, the files are there, but the iPod shows nothing. Strange though that MC shows stuff under the iPod. How can that be? I'll keep trying to replicate it. But darned if I know how to make it happen.
I can always fix things with a Reformat for MJ and reupload. But when I start doing robust testing I run into this problem. Don't know how it's doing it.
BUG: Deleting from the ipod manually still leaves playlists on the iPod. I deleted all my songs (highlight all, right-click>Delete) and still had 2 of my 3 playlists present on the iPod, although they didn't have any songs on them.
BUG: Formatting and Deleting still causing GUI locks
BUG: GUI Lock still occuring during large syncs when you have either Delete Items or Update Tags checked.
Would love some news on the playcount deal......
Adam
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Aight, so Imma try it. I just restored my iPod with XPlay, so it's a MacPod now. The XPlay setup wizard came up, but I cancelled it, just like I do with MC.
I'm copying a few GB of music to it, as data. I'm going to take it to work, plant MacDrive on a test box, copy the music off, install MC and the plugin, and I'll let ya know what happens.
If all goes well, I'll load the music on it, and play it via the iPod. Here's hopin that the playcount file shows something. Course, even if it does, it still doesn't seem to get created/written on a WinniePod, so big whoop, right?
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TimB -- No way am I playin nice! I'm rubber and you're glue, mister. Nyah nyah nyah! Tastes Great!
Mom always did like you best. :P
-=Tim=-
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Heh, it works. Kinda.
I planted MacOpener XP, the newest MC9 and plugin on a test machine. MC can transfer songs to the iPod, no problemo!
Odd thing, though... in MC, I can't expand the iPod tree at all. But I can click it, and right-click it, and synch it, and the songs playback on the iPod perfectly... all data is transferred properly, and everything else seems to work.
Now, I didn't see a Playcounts file after restore last night. I didn't see one after I opened up Ephpod and had it "write mac file". I formatted iPod for MJ, transferred about 40 sound clips to it and put it on repeat all. Left it playing for a while, long enough to rack up some play counts.
Bingo. We have a 1kb file called "Play Counts" in the \iPod_Control\iTunes folder.
Here's the entire iPod_control folder. It's about 3.5MB. (http://pimpin-seattle.d2g.com/images/mjipod/PlayCounts.zip)
So, does it work on a WinniePod at all? I dunno. Could someone find out? As a test, since I don't have a WinniePod at present, could someone make a new file in their \iPod_Control\iTunes folder, name it Play Counts (two words, one space, no extension, capitalized like I did), and see if it gets updated? Make sure that you chmod777 it (OMG, did I just say that?)... er... make sure that it's not read-only. :D
Peace out, homies, Imma go get some work done now. :D
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Kurt, I just looked at my Win iPod and it already has a file called Play Counts in the iTunes folder. Unfortunately it is 0kb and is not read only :(
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Everyone,
I posted 3.0.30 and hope (again) that F19 is fixed. If it is not, free beer for all.
Buddy,
Could you try reformatting the iPod from within Windows? You will lose all your data, but then you will have a clean slate that I hope will work.
Kurt, Phil, and Adam,
I do want to get the Playcount implemented, but am tied up with some other work right now. I will get to it ASAP. Thanks for the info regarding Mac formatted iPod and MC. I will try to get GUI lock resolved as well, but I cannot duplicate it here.
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Steve:
Thanks for the updates.
Regarding trying to duplicate the gui lock. Have you tried it w/your iPod loaded w/about 2000 songs? I've seen it happen w/less, but I know it happens to me.
Again, this happens only in the following scenarios:
Formatting for MJ
Deleting All Songs (or a large number)
Syncing when either Delete files not Present or Update Tags is checked.
Hope that helps.
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Sorry Steve but I've just formatted and synched my iPod using 3.0.30 and of the 1671 songs uploaded, 808 are in the F19 folder.
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Everyone,
I posted 3.0.20 and hope (again) that F19 is fixed. If it is not, free beer for all.
I've seen these offers before. I'm not going to hold off on my Sam Adams purchases based on it. ;D
-=Tim=-
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Hmmmmm, beeeeerrrrrrrrrrr. I'm getting thirsty!! Can't wait to try this tonight. Are you shipping it overnight Steve? Do you need my address?
;D
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just thought i'd throw my test in. i have 1100 out of 2500 songs in F19 and am also experiencing occasional gui lock when syncing. i sure hope we can get the playcount thing working, that would rule. also im still waiting for the graphic rating system. :)
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Steve, thanks for the advice. I was able to get the files sync. Howeverf, I'm unable to locate the unmount icon. I've been thru the help files I have closed and reopened, but still can't find this icon.
BTW, about 90% of my files are in F19. Also, I have files with tags but no labels. All my files seemed to transfer but very few album names, artists, genres, etc.
Is there any documenation somewhere that I can locate so I don't have tgo bother you or the group?
P.S. Is there an update on the ipod software from Apple? I visited their site and was not able to find any substantive info.
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In regards to the beer, lets go double or nothing on tonights build.
Buddy,
What Operating System are you running?
There is some great documentation available courtesy of Adam at http://www.home.earthlink.net/~ashawley01/
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Buddy:
There isn't an unmount icon in MC9. There used to be an eject option, but Steve took that out.
To eject your iPod safely, just use the "Safely Remove Hardware" option in your systray in the lower right hand corner. Just click it and the iPod will show up there. Select the iPod and it should show OK to Disconnect.
You don't have to have MC closed even, just make sure that you're not viewing the contents of the iPod when you disconnect (click on Playlists or Media Library).
Adam
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DejaVu.
New version 3.0.31.
F19 fix, I hope.
I have not been able to test with an upload of a few thousand files because I do not have a PC set up to handle this. I will do this tomorrow if this does not fix it and try to knock out the GUI lock at the same time.
Thanks for your patience with this one.
Steve
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New build and no fix for the MJ9 crash on the one specific playlist. I have been able to get around it by deleting the offending playlist and recreating the smart list rule set.
I am certain that this is more of an MJ9 / playlist bug than an iPod bug. I have saved a backup of the MJ db with the corrupt playlist, email me to get a copy.
The symptom (to refresh your memory) is that including a specific playlist (Zappa Favs) in an iPod sync operation will crash MJ every time. Take note, in my scenario, the files in the playlist were already on the iPod.
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OK, good news/bad news time:
Good news: I'm getting somewhere between 25-35 MB/sec! What's up with that? I'm used to around 5-7?
Bad news: Um, it doesn't tranfer files. I tried just small playlist w/179 songs, they zoomed through at ~30MB/sec and then when it was done I got an error message: File Transfer Error and it listed the file name.
I did it a number of times and it was always a different file name.
Same would happen if I just selected one file and did Send To>CDs, Device & Handheld, it would look like it's uploading it then I'd get the error message.
Note: don't go down the firewire path on this one. I have NEVER had a firewire problem on my PC. Even using native windows copying.....
Something's up. If you can fix the F19 bug *and* get the files to copy at this speed, you're going to make *a lot* of people happy. I was only getting 3-4MB/sec in Ephpod (which is what I have to open now so I have some tunes on my iPod for tomorrorw :( )
Is anyone else experiencing this with the .31 build?
Oh, this was from a freshly Restored and formatted for MJ iPod.
Adam
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steve, i had the same problem as adam, i tried to add a new album to my pod and it rushed through it all then said there was an error and it didn't transfer anything. i am also running VERRRYYYY SLLLOOOOWWW with mc9 although i guess you wouldn't be the one to tell, but the mc9 board is too crowded so you'll have to do.
ite
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There was a problem with the download page that put the wrong version of the Plug-in up last night. This has been corrected. Please get the Plug-in again and all should be better.
Thanks,
Steve
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Guess that means we don't get to keep those blazing fast uploads. Darn, those were tasty! ;D
Adam
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Unfortunately I'm still getting 800 files in the F19 folder with the new 3.0.31 build.
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I think I know why Steve you keep thinking it's fixed and why we are all still reporting it as not fixed.
It has to do with either the number of files uploaded or if you're synching a second time. Here's what I did:
I sync'd a playlist onto a clean iPod that had 179 songs. on it. Checked the iPod. It worked! F19 has like 5 songs in it, the other folders had anywhere from 5-14 songs in them. So, that looked pretty good from a randomness perspective.
Neat, I thought, so I then did another sync and added the rest of my playlists. BAM! It didn't work. If fact, what I believe it did was ignore entirely the other folders and added all the songs from this second sync into F19.
The other folders still have between 5-14 songs in them.
Hope this helps. I really think to get the GUI locking and other issues fixed you gotta get a larger library going to you test iPod there.
Oh, if it helps any, here's another vote for graphical rating getting added to MC9. It's just too much of a pain to do it they way it's set up.
Adam
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It has to do with either the number of files uploaded or if you're synching a second time.
I think the first option is more likely; I think that the number of files being synched determines the distribution in some way. With the latest builds (9.088 and 3.0.31), I reformatted the iPod, formatted for MC, and proceeded to do one sync of 2822 files. Of those, 2235 ended up in F19. Dividing the remainder of the songs (587) by the number of remaining folders (19) gives an average of 31 tracks for the other folders. As I look through those remaining directories, I see a range of tracks between 23 and 41. This would make sense. So, my question is: is there something magic about having more than about 600 tracks that makes the distribution put the rest of them in F19?
Hope that made sense
Paul
P.S. yet another vote here for a graphical rating system in MC. However, the higher priority for me would be playcount updating from ipod!
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Hello Everyone,
The latest plugin from yesterday should fix the F19. I tried to let y'all know yesterday, but we had some server issues and I could not get to the web site. It turns out it was a problem with finding a duplicate file which could occur even with a single synch. Please let me know if it is still a problem. I did do a test with 2000 files on Friday which helped get to the bottom of it and it worked great.
In regards to GUI lock, during the 2000 upload test, the status messaging was always present and functioning (not locked) for me.
PS, can you elaborate on what you mean by graphical rating?
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I believe that graphical rating is like in iTunes or Windows Media Player 9 -- where you rate songs 1 to 5 stars by clicking on the stars next to a song. Kind of off-topic on this post, though, hehe.
(http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/images/subhome/9series/jukebox/Personalratings_76x61.gif)
I'm pretty sure that Matt and co. plan on implementing graphical ratings -- near the final stages of development, tho.
PS, I've kinda messed up my iPod -- I can't get it back to a WinniePod heh. Thus my lack of input since taking it to work the other day. I'll be back soon.
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YEAH BABY, YEAH!!
I fixed my iPod, downloaded the plugin, and synched a smartlist called "10GB of music", which contained (get ready) ten gigabytes of music. Synch went well (averaged about 5.8mb/sec). After sync, I checked the folders.
NICE SPREAD! F15 had 135 files, F14 had 90 files, and every other folder had somewhere between that. I unplugged and started playing songs; I experienced ZERO skips!
Well done, Steve! It looks like you've nailed this one! (Though, I still think he owes us some beers) ;)
As an aside, I have a DV camcorder, which is plugged into the same firewire card as my iPod. While synching the iPod, I stupidly unplugged the camcorder, which resulted in a CRC write-error on the iPod, and subsequent MC sync abend. This is natural and expected, and is likely not in your power to control, I imagine, but I just wanted to mention it.
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its great seeing this support for graphical ratings!! i've been hoping for this one ever since i first tried it in itunes3. its near impossible to go through lots of files and rate them as it is now. once i have that i can start using smartlists! hoooray :D
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I tested the new plugin one or two hours. I uploaded files, then synced files, synced playlists deleting the songs that are not in the lists and so on, filling my pod to 18 gigs. The F19 problem seems really to be solved and I have no skipping problem anymore.
Speed was incredible (around 9'300 kbps). This is almost the double speed I realize with ephpod. Great!
Suggest, I pay my beer myself, drinking it on you... ;)
Not working for me is "updating tags". Changing one or two tags and syncing with this option causes most or all songs (not only the changed ones) to "vanish" in pod's database.
Fex
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WinPOD
Windows 2000 SP3
9.0.88
3.0.32
Can also confirm the F19 file bunching has been solved for me by this release. I had found some first track skipping going on too and this also seems to be eliminated now. Thanks.
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Yep, F19 file distribution problems are fixed for me as well. Nice work Steve. No first song skipping problems now.
Paul
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Good work on F19 bug, my results as far as deviation are 84 as the fewest, 119 as the most. Pretty good.
I was able to replicate the lost database problem Fex had. Here is what I did to make it happen:
1. Sync'd w/Playlist #1 to an empty iPod.
2. Changed some Album information, resync'd w/Update Tags. Only selected Playlist#1.
3. Sync'd and Updated fine
4. Changed album information back that I changed in Step#2 above, did a Synch w/Playlists #1, #2 & #3.
5. Ipod had no songs in the database, the Playlists where there but empty. Ipod was full of files, DB was empty.
Had to do a restore and resync of all songs.
Hope this helps, I think the Update Tags when adding additional Playlists that weren't part of a previous sync causes problems.
Adam
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Everyone,
Thanks for the feedback on F19, I am glad to put that one to rest.
Adam and Fex,
I cannot duplicate this, even following Adam's test. Can you try the following on a clean iPod...
1) Create two playlists with 3 files each.
2) Synch them.
3) Update the Album tag for one file in one playlist.
4) Resynch.
If this works, try having a duplicate file in both playlists. If this works, try if you can to find a specific way to have MC fail.
Thanks for any help you can provide.
Steve
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Steve:
I'll try to figure out a way to replicate consistently, but my suspicion is that it won't be replicable with small playlists. The playlists I was using had the following number of songs:
Playlist #1: 179
Playlist #2: 2002
Playlist #3: 205
Playlist #2 is my iPod playlist, all the songs I want on my iPod, as such, Playlists #1 & #3 have songs that are duplicated in Playlist #2.
Maybe this would help, there are the rules for these playlists:
Playlist #1: =Playlist #2 & Genre="Christmas Tunes"
Playlist #2: Artist = (all the artists I want on my iPod)
Playlist #3: =Playlist #2 & Genre="Jazz"
Hope that makes sense. The contents of the playlists should be making a difference, but I'll be the size does. I'll try w/small playlists tonight. If I can't dupe w/those I'll try w/large playlists (179+ songs)
Adam
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Brand New Machine, Clean install of MJ 9.0.88 and current plugin. When I sync, MJ crashes every time.
My iTunes and MJ dbs are here: http://beepcom.tzo.com/JGOURD-MJLibraryIpod.zip
Media Jukebox PLUS 9.0.88 -- C:\Program Files\J River\Media Jukebox\
Microsoft Windows XP Workstation 5.1 (Build 2600)
AMD Athlon 1814 MHz MMX / Memory: Total - 1048 MB, Free - 691 MB
Internet Explorer: 6.0.2600.0000 / ComCtl32.dll: 6.00.2600.0000 / Shlwapi.dll: 6.00.2600.0000
Shell32.dll: 6.00.2600.0000 / wnaspi32.dll: Internal ASPI Layer
Ripping / Drive F: Copy mode:ModeBurstBigBuffer CD Type:Auto Read speed:Max
Drive G: Copy mode:ModeBurstBigBuffer CD Type:Auto Read speed:Max
Drive H: Copy mode:ModeBurstBigBuffer CD Type:Auto Read speed:Max
Digital playback: Yes / Use YADB: Yes / Get cover art: Yes / Calc replay gain: Yes / Copy volume: 32767
Eject after ripping: No / Play sound after ripping: No
Burning / Drive F: SONY CD-RW CRX210E1 Addr: 1:0:0 Speed:48 MaxSpeed:48 Lib:2 GHS:1 Use MJ Engine:No
Drive H: YAMAHA CRW2100S Addr: 2:5:0 Speed:16 MaxSpeed:16 Lib:2 GHS:1 Use MJ Engine:No
Test mode: No / Eject after writing: Yes / Direct decoding: Yes / Two second gap: No / Write CD-Text: Yes
Use playback settings: No / Normalization: None
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I too am finding that when every I sync my file MMJB crashes. I have tried formating ipod with MMJB. I have also reformated my Ipod using Apple Restore and still it crashes everytime. I have about 600 songs on my computer and when i get to say 200 it crashes. I have tried deleted hh_portable.dll and installing new plugin and it still won't work. I have shut down zone alarm, norton etc thinking it might have a conflict with another program and it still crashes.
The message i get is
App.c:\program files\jriver\medai center\media jukebox.exe (pid=1136
Exception number(0000005
(access violation)
Unable to verify checksum for C:\program files
jriver\mediacenter\plugins\hh_portable.dll
error symbol file could not be found
defaulted to export symbols for c:\program file\jriver\mediacenter\plugin\hh_function hh portable
error module load completed but symbols could not be loaded
Application exception occured
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Tagging:
First test on a clean iPod (two playlists with different files): No problems.
Second test (two playlists with one duplicate file):
Playlistst are not listed, same as duplicate song. Did it two times with different files.
I'm working on that specific way to fail MC. Suppose (!), it has something to do with a combination of deleting files not in playlists and updating tags (sorry, have a lot of songs to manage...).
Fex
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OK Steve, I've been able to recreate part of the problem. Here's the steps:
We're going to make two playlists from the same album, we'll use the first 6 tracks of the album. The track order is important in reproducing. Start w/an empty iPod.
1. Playlist #1 = songs 1,2, & 3 from the album
2. Playlist #2 = songs 4,5,6,1,2 & 3 from the album
3. Sync
4. Change the Album Name (I just added an "A" to the end of it)
5. Sync the same 2 Playlists and check Update Tags
6. Check your iPod. On mine, there are no Playlists at all. Also, doing a Browse>Artist>Albums shows the one Album (correctly updated) but the Album only has the first 3 tracks of Playlist #2 listed (songs 4, 5 & 6). Not 6 songs as you would expect.
I've done this a bunch now and consider that reproducable.
Here's the interesting thing. Viewing the iPod in MC it shows up fine, but looking at the iPod itself shows the missing playlists and tracks on the Albums as listed above.
Now, the track order needs to be the way I listed. If you do it this way:
Playlist #1 = songs 1,2, & 3
Playlist #2 = songs 1,2,3,4,5 & 6
It works fine. More strange, no?
I think you must have some logic messed up somewhere that's causing this problem. Aw, heck. I don't know what I'm talking about. But at least this is reproducable and is probably the root to the "empty" ipod databases that Fex and I have reported.
Here's a copy of my iTunes DB in this corrupted state:
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~ashawley01/data/
Hope this helps.
Adam
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Steve:
Found something else that doesn't seem to be working right: Safely Convert.
As I understand this, this feature will automatically convert a non-ipod supported file type (such as WMA) to mp3. Right? Well, I tried to upload a WMA file and it didn't get converted or added to my iPod.
Let me know if I have the gist of this functionality wrong.
****EDIT: Never mind. Figured it out, this only works when manually uploading and clicking Options.*****
Adam
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As I continue to prepare my mp3 library for the big day I convert from ephpod to MJ, I still am trying to figure out how best to use Smartlists and playlists.
(Steve & JimH, feel free to move this to a new topic if you think it will railroad the thread)
Can you guys start posting your smartlists for us to use as examples? I have already made good use of ones posted on older Ipod threads, making two hours mixes of a genre and stuff.
I consider this to be Ipod-related because as we fill up our Ipod's, we can't just have Smartlists for "all rock", "all jazz", etcetera, unless your collections are less than your Ipod's capacity.
Thanks in advance.
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mclaugh:
Don't know if this'll help, but I did a little tutorial on a somewhat complex one that somebody wanted to do from the iPodlounge forums.
For you this is probably a no brainer....but thought I'd just through it in in case:
Here's the link (http://www.home.earthlink.net/~ashawley01/data/smartlist_example.htm)
Adam
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Everyone,
I am working on the bug synch and tag bug. Hopefully a solution tomorrow.
Mclaugh,
This is a great place for smartlist suggestions. Check out the link Adam listed and we can pick up here tomorrow.
Thanks,
Steve
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Adam-
Thanks for that link- it's exactly the kind of conversation I'm looking to start w/ relation to Smartlists. I also posted a new separate topic about using wildcards in Smartlists.
Here are some Smartlists I've made:
I have Genre Smartlists- this one is for Jazz:
mediatype=[Audio] genre=[Acid Jazz],[Bebob],[Bebop],[Big Band],[Fusion],[General Jazz],[Jazz],[Jazz+Funk]
Here's a 1 hour high tempo Smartlist I call my "raquetball mix":
mediatype=[audio] ~t=60 ~sort=random intensity=>=4
Here's a four hour Rap Smartlist:
mediatype=[audio] genre=[Hip-Hop],[Rap] ~t=240 ~sort=random
And finally, here's a list of songs for my wife when she wants to just play music, it's my "jen" Smartlist:
mediatype=[Audio] comment=[jen] ~sort=random
Ok- Who's got some more creative examples?
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I'm not sure this is the most efficient method as I'll explain at the end. Here's my current smartlist logic:
First an explanation, I have a PCMCIA firewire card running off my laptop, as the card is unpowered it doesn't have battery power for a full 20 gig load. My MP3s are stored on my desktop downstairs which is connected to my upstairs machine via wireless LAN (802.11b). I also want to have complete albums in case I hear a song on my playlist and say "Hey I wanna listen to that album". :) Once a week I update my Laptop and then my iPod on new entries to my desktop machine. Daily I update my playlists from my laptop upstairs, as they're based on the weekly lists from my static MJ database on the laptop (only updated weekly) they shouldn't require any new songs.
Weekly Update:
Playlist: A to M
Media Type: Audio Complete Album=1 artist: A-M Not Artist: Bert Jansch, CSNY
Playlist: N to Z
Media Type: Audio Complete Album=1 artist: N-Z Not Artist: Neil Young, Pete Townshend, Ralph McTell, Who
Daily Playlist Updates:
Playlist: Rock Random 1
Media Type: Audio sort: Random Limit: 600 Minutes Genre: Rock Playlist: A to M, N to Z
I also have playlists for genre's Rock Random 2, Jazz, Classical, Country and Folk.
The problem with my situation is that 'cos I have more than 20 gig of MP3s I need a way to exclude some tracks without breaking my complete album argument. I don't mind losing part of one album but if I try to limit megabytes by adding a limit argument I find that I have many albums broken up. So instead I have to exclude specific artists and as my collection grows, I'll have to exclude more. Its a non-automated solution that doesn't scale well.
Up to now I'm doing a complete MP3 reload every week 'cos Steve is improving the logic of the plug-in.
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Tim-
I completely understand your argument regarding complete albums and your Ipod's capacity. I have a 10gig Ipod, and around 70gig of mp3's. (I own over a 1000 cd's, and my family refers to it as "my addiction"). At least 10gig are duplicates; early on, I had a problem w/ my Ipod and moved all my files back onto my computer- I'm still weeding out from that, correcting tags, etc.
Back to the issue- like you, I like to fill up my Ipod mostly w/ complete albums. I do have stray songs here and there, but for the most part, I have a steady stream of albums I take on and off. I ran into the same problem as you- I didn't want to have albums broken up or excluded due to rules I add for total file size. It's the reason I feel that artist/album sync is so key- I would like to dedicate around 8gigs for complete albums (some rotated, some essentials always on the Ipod), and then have the other 2gigs for random genre playlists (4hours rock, 4hours jazz, etc). Finally, I would squeeze one playlist of new songs/artists I heard that I wanted to evaluate- I would just modify the auto smartlist "recently imported" to give me the suitable list for my Ipod.
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And to reply to myself-
For about two to three weeks, I've been trying to build one large playlist in MJ that holds most of the albums I consider essential to have with me most of the time.
-To do that, I sat and typed out a list in Notepad of all the albums on my Ipod.
-Next, I went over the list and chose which albums should be on this big list (Pet Sounds, Loveless, Yankee Hotel Foxtrot demos yes- Jazz Passengers, Best of Morrissey no).
-Now, I'm currently going through these albums in MJ to make sure the tags are completely correct (I had made some corrections when uploading to Ephpod, and those didn't make it back to the id3 tags). I'm still doing this.
-Once this is complete, I plan to wipe my Ephpod Ipod and christen it for MJ. (by the way, JimH, if you're reading, which version of MJ should I buy? It's not that clear to me from that buy page.) I will add the BulkPod playlist of all these essentials in lieu of artist/album sync, and try to control it that way.
Again, that's why I'm asking so many smartlist questions- if there is a way to better do this using smartlists, I would love to see examples so I can copy.
Thanks again, sorry for my longwindedness. As a longtime lurker, the few times I raise up to write, I tend to babble......
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McLaugh,
In case you don't know this, to select different Albums for your smartlist, when in Media Library click on the wizard icon and do "Add Rule->General->Album".
Also, MC9 is definitely the version to get for iPod if you do synchronization because this feature is not available in MJ8.
Steve
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Everyone,
A new build of the Plug-in is posted (3.0.33) which should resolve the tag updating issues reported.
Thanks,
Steve
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Steve-
I had forgotten you can add rules to add individual albums like that- thanks for the reminder.
At this point in the development, what would you say are still your "action items" for the Ipod plugin?
Also, I agree that I should get MC9 over MJ8, but in searching through the archives, I think there is also an "audio only" version of MC9 due in the future. I would probably rather sign up for that- I already have a tivo and standalone dvd player. In fact, the only use I would have for anything video related is to plug the computer & MJ into my living room AV system so that I can control listening to music using my remote.
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McLaugh,
The list of things to add to iPod is somewhat dynamic. I will be glad to add almost anything that is possible into the Plug-in. For now, I want everything that is already there to be rock solid before I add anything new. I think with the last two fixes we are pretty close. Assuming no new surprises, I will start adding new features.
In regards to the stand alone version 9, I think this is how it will go, but it is a little unclear yet.
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Dear Ipodder novices,
Please advise me..........I am buying an IPOD in the next few days, however, I have been reading these forums and I am a bit confused with the whole process and MC8/9/MJB/ephpod lingo. Please understand that all I know is how to download songs from Kazaa and then burn them onto a CD............As for "getting ready to IPOD" I understand this (which is not much):
*ephpod was voted #1, but that was before MC9 came out
*MC9 is a beta test and therefore stick with v.8
*Once I download v8 OR v9 it will automatically find my downloaded songs in "my Kazaa", then I can go in and edit any of the artists names/albums/songs etc., etc.
Is any of this correct?
Basically I want the best sound quality, so can anyone advise me on the order of doing this? I read ashawley Help link but I still have some initial questions. Please bring this IPOD wannabee up to speed.
p.s. I believe I need to purchase a firewire card - where is the cheapest one to be found?
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Hello!
This is my first post, though I've been lurking here for a while now...
I just installed MJ & the plugin - previously, I was using MMJB for library mgmt and EphPod for syncing. I LOVE the MJ interface - it is such an improvement!
A program called Media Core crashes each time I try to sync my library with my iPod. This shuts down MJ and the entire process.
I've found that when I select Delete Files Not in List, it crashes immediately. If I deselect this box, it crashes part-way into the sync process. Has anyone else seen this?
My system info. is below.
-DJP
Media Jukebox 9.0.89 -- C:\Program Files\J River\Media Center\
Microsoft Windows XP Workstation 5.1 (Build 2600)
Intel Pentium III 868 MHz MMX / Memory: Total - 260 MB, Free - 88 MB
Internet Explorer: 6.0.2600.0000 / ComCtl32.dll: 6.00.2600.0000 / Shlwapi.dll: 6.00.2600.0000
Shell32.dll: 6.00.2600.0000 / wnaspi32.dll: Internal ASPI Layer
Ripping / Drive G: Copy mode:ModeBurstBigBuffer CD Type:Auto Read speed:Max
Drive H: Copy mode:ModeBurstBigBuffer CD Type:Auto Read speed:Max
Digital playback: Yes / Use YADB: Yes / Get cover art: No / Calc replay gain: No / Copy volume: 32767
Eject after ripping: No / Play sound after ripping: No
Burning / Drive H: SONY CD-RW CRX140E Addr: 1:1:0 Speed:8 MaxSpeed:8 Use MJ Engine:Yes
Test mode: No / Eject after writing: Yes / Direct decoding: Yes / Write CD-Text: No
Use playback settings: No / Normalization: None
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Podder,
I would recommend getting v9 even though it is a beta. Without 9, you will be unable to synch and I think you will want this feature.
MJ/MC will be able to import songs from any and all places on your drive and you will then be able to edit tags.
DeeJayPod,
Can you make sure you have the latest Plug-in (v. 3.0.33). If so, if you don't mind losing your data on iPod, try right-clicking on "Ipod" and then format iPod for MJ, then try retesting.
I will check back tomorrow to see how you are doing.
Steve
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Steve,
Yes, I do have the latest plugin. I just tried reformatting and resyncing - same problem about 5% of the way in! I tried to watch carefully and it crashes on different songs each time.
-DJP
Podder,
I would recommend getting v9 even though it is a beta. Without 9, you will be unable to synch and I think you will want this feature.
MJ/MC will be able to import songs from any and all places on your drive and you will then be able to edit tags.
DeeJayPod,
Can you make sure you have the latest Plug-in (v. 3.0.33). If so, if you don't mind losing your data on iPod, try right-clicking on "Ipod" and then format iPod for MJ, then try retesting.
I will check back tomorrow to see how you are doing.
Steve
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Steve
I am having the same exact problem Dee JaY POd is having!
Media core keeps crashing!
I have removed Media center from my computer and then reinstalled it !
reformated my ipod using mj
Downloaded latest plugin
And still it crashes just like DEE JAY states in his post
Any thoughts on how we can fix this problem? ?
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Before I do this I just want to make sure I am doing it correctly...........If I have never downloaded anything from Media Jukebox, do I just download Version 9 (beta)or do I initially have to do Version 8?
My head is spinning from these forums about people's problems with synching, IDing/tagging, upgrading for a fee, crashing, etc. etc.
Again, In order to organize my MP3s (all on My Kazaa) on my PC I must download v8 or v9, or both? Sorry to all the "up & running" IPODDERS, but I want to do it right. Please advise.
Thanks to all responders and have a great HOLIDAY!!
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You can just download version 9 and then get the iPod plug-in from our plug-ins page.
There are some very good instructions by Adam Shawley [sorry, Adam, thanks for the correction] on www.ipodlounge.com in the Media Jukebox section of their forum.
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There are some very good instructions by Adam Hawley on www.ipodlounge.com in the Media Jukebox section of their forum.
Thanks for the plug Jim, but man, get it right, it's Shawley. ;D
Hey Podder:
Just get version 9. The instructions to do that are in my help guide.
Regarding your songs that you keep referring to as "My Kazaa". Don't get confused or tied up with how Kazaa stores your songs. Remember, when you download files from Kazaa, it's just putting the mp3s into a folder on your Computer. You can move those if you want (to someplace like a "My Music" folder. That way you can add any CDs that you want to convert to MP3 there as well. See the help file section on MP3 File naming tips.
Also understand that all Media Center will do is search your Music folder(s) for files and add a record of them to its database. This allows you to manage your music (tag it, create playlists etc.). Media Center is just building a list of music files on your PC, there's nothing more tricky about it than that (OK, there is, it does a ton of other great stuff like ripping/burning etc., but at it's heart it is a library management tool).
Hope that makes sense.
Adam
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Hi, this is my first post. I have been extremely happy with Media Center 9, but I'm having the same exact problem that DeeJayPod is having. The first time I synched my iPod to my pc, I didn't have any errors at all. Now I'm getting the same one that he is having. Also, I have another problem. The first time I synched my iPod with MC, I had 493 songs. Each time I plug my iPod into my pc now, it removes a few songs from my iPod. I now have 463 songs on my iPod. The 30 missing songs are still on my pc, but when I try to manually send them to my iPod, they don't actually get sent. My last problem is that my playlists have been removed my iPod, and I can't get them back. They are also still on my pc.
This may be off topic, but is there any chance MC will support Audible files in the near future?
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Everyone,
I posted a new Plug-in (3.0.34) that I hope will fix the bug you have reported. I unfortunately cannot duplicate the problem, so I hope the changes I made do the trick.
henleyfan,
MC currently supports Audible (aa) files. Are you referring to iPod support for these? In regards to the files that are disappearing, what file type are these files?
The disappearing playlists should be fixed with Plug-in 3.0.33 or later.
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Steve & gang,
I want to download MC9 now, but do you now if it is compatible with WINDOWS98?? I heard rumors of some problems (I think someone said it needs to be WIN98SE).
Any info on this would be helpful, since I do want to get going on ripping & uploading to my IPOD before the holidays.
Thanks
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I didn't realize that MC already supported Audible files. I just downloaded the iPod plugin 3.0.34, and I didn't have the problem of Media Center crashing. However, I'm still having the same problems. I went to do a synchronize all files, and it appeared to work. I then looked at my iPod, and I now have 462 files. I had 463 the last time I synched. All of my files are presently mp3 vbr files, so these are the only ones that are disappearing. As far as my playlists, I still don't have any on my iPod. When I go to synchronize files, I chose most of my playlists to download. I click OK, then it says now importing 1 of over 1000 files. It takes less than a minute, and all of my playlists should be on my iPod. Unfortunately, they are not. Thanks in advance.
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Podder,
MC9 should be fine with Windows 98.
Henleyfan,
When you are synching, if you want your playlists to go, do not select "Transfer All Files". Instead click on "Select All" which will select all your playlists and then synch.
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Steve:
HOOT!! HOOT!! HOOT!!
Version .33 fixed the old disappearing playlist (and sometimes entire database) problem!! ;D
I did *all sorts* of stress testing last night and it worked like a charm w/Update Tags checked.
I know you're thinking about what's next now that things are getting stable, I'll give you a day of rest before I recap my wants!!! ;)
Great work!!!
Adam
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Okay, I selected "Select All" instead of "Transfer All Files", but it stopped about 5% through, much like DeeJayPod's problem. If I choose one or two playlists, it looks like they transferred, but they still aren't on my iPod. Oh well, it's not a big deal, and I appreciate your help. I'm more concerned about getting the 30 songs that used to be on my iPod onto it again.
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henleyfan,
What happens if you upload the files instead of synching them? Try dragging the files onto the "IPOD" icon and then choose "Upload".
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I uploaded the files instead of synching them, but I came up with the same result. When I right-click on the IPOD icon and select "show all files", the files that are missing show up there. When I click on playlists, all of my playlists are there as well. According to MC, all of my files have already been synched to the iPod, but some of them don't show up on my iPod, like my playlists.
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Steve
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Steve
Still having problems syncing files even with new plugin. It is a little better. When it is uploading songs it got to the last song and then crashed! SAys Mediacore encounted aproblem and needs to close. I tried your suggestion to Henleyfan regarding dragging the files and then uploading them. It worked somewhat.
The songs are there but no playlists transfered
Media Jukebox 9.0.88 -- C:\Program Files\J River\Media Center\
Microsoft Windows XP Workstation 5.1 Service Pack 1 (Build 2600)
Intel Pentium 4 1387 MHz MMX / Memory: Total - 523 MB, Free - 345 MB
Internet Explorer: 6.0.2800.1106 / ComCtl32.dll: 6.00.2800.1106 / Shlwapi.dll: 6.00.2800.1106
Shell32.dll: 6.00.2800.1106 / wnaspi32.dll: Internal ASPI Layer
Ripping / Drive D: Copy mode:ModeBurstBigBuffer CD Type:Auto Read speed:Max
Drive E: Copy mode:ModeBurstBigBuffer CD Type:Auto Read speed:Max
Digital playback: Yes / Use YADB: Yes / Get cover art: No / Calc replay gain: No / Copy volume: 32767
Eject after ripping: No / Play sound after ripping: No
Burning / Drive E: SONY CD-RW CRX160E Addr: 1:1:0 Speed:12 MaxSpeed:12 Lib:2 GHS:1 Use MJ Engine:No
Test mode: No / Eject after writing: Yes / Direct decoding: Yes / Two second gap: No / Write CD-Text: No
Use playback settings: No / Normalization: None
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I reformatted my iPod drive, and then re-synched my music collection. I now have 480 songs on my iPod, and my playlists are back. I will try ripping the songs that didn't synch again, because I think they were done using Musicmatch Jukebox. Even if I can't get the 10-15 songs on my iPod, I am happy enough. Thanks for all your help Steve, I greatly appreciate it! ;D
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Tou,
Uploading the files the way you did is not designed to automatically create playlists.
Everyone,
Can anyone duplicate what Tou is seeing?
Thanks,
Steve
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Steve
I tried Henleyfan suggestion and reformatted my ipod and i deleted all my songs in my music library and then resynced my music collection and it still crashed!
I did notice one thing that might help
I have 649 songs on my computer
It was on the 200 songs when I got the message
Mediacore has encountered a problem and needs to close.
When it was approaching say the 195 song it said it only had maybe 10 seconds to complete the download. I saw I had a problem right there.
There is no way it is going to download the rest of the songs in that matter of time.
When the 10 seconds were counted down it crashed.
I hope this info helps you :-/
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Steve:
Just some random issues and requests.
1. I'm still getting periodic freezes on the Sync Status dialog. It doesn't always happen, but tonight I fired up MC, clicked my iPod, selected sync and said OK. I hadn't made any changes to anything. It went to song 66 of 2505 and froze. It then completed fine. The only thing I did do was before sync I clicked on one of my Smartlists called "Random Day of Tunes" which is a random 8 hours of music. I do this to refresh it before sync so it gets updated (don't know if I have to do that by the way). **EDIT**: just did another sync and I got a freeze again--it eventually complete, just the status stops. Did something get broken? I'm using .34.
2. Per my above statement, the syncing on a playlist didn't achieve the desired results. Here is what I do: I have a playlist that is very simple: 8 hours of music, sort=random. In theory what I would expect is that if I re-sync that playlist would automatically get updated with a new list of 8 hours of music. I just did a sync (first clicking on the Playlist in MC to "update" it). And the playlist has the same songs on it from before the sync. Why would this be? Is it expected that I first delete the playlist? Seems to me that that goes against what a sync should do.
3. It would be nice if you could add a Sequence column to the Playlist view of the iPod. That way you could tell what the order is going to be. My suggestion would be to make this the default sort order.
4. Formatting an iPod that has a lot of songs on it results in the status dialog getting stuck still. It stops at 1/3 and sits there. It should progress more evenly.
5. Would love to get some advance word on what you think about updating playcounts from the iPod. Any news on that?
6. I had put a post in a while ago on a suggestion for setting up MC so that it could detect whether or not an iPod had been formatted for MC. If not, a wizard would launch, walking the user through the format process. To refresh your memory, my suggestion was to put a file on the iPod, then on launch of MC (or focus brought to the iPod in MC) a query would be done to determine if the file is present. If not, launch the wizard. This is basically what Xplay does. Just thought that would help the newer users (what with Xmas coming, there will be a lot of them).
7. Any possibility of getting rid of the requirement to name the iPod's volume name "iPod"? I understand the requirement, just so you know, Xplay's setup wizard (mentioned above) has you "Name" the ipod. If it's a strict requirement to have MC know the name of the ipod, it's possible that you could have this as part of the Format for MC wizard noted above. That way you'd kill two birds with one stone as they say.
8. Where the heck are those pretty iCons (:)) Man, I want a nice little iPod there.....
10. Strangely you haven't heard me screaming for Album/Artist sync anymore. While I still would think it's a great idea, I've gone over to the dark side (my young Skywalker) and am using smartlists. Kurt would be proud of his Padawan learner.
11. Please: get rid of the ugly old "uploading" status dialog could ya? ;) Make it match our friend the Sync status dialog. OK, if anybody disagrees, I'll consider giving in.
12. Now that it looks like we have the Update Tags option working, can I ask maybe a silly question. Other folks chime in on this one: Why would you ever uncheck this box? I mean, is there an instance where you wouldn't want the tags to match the changes you made in MC? If that's the case, suggest this option be defaulted to "ON" and the checkbox just removed. Make it do it every time you sync. I like the option to check/uncheck the Delete Files option. Keep that one, but the other one...well, I just think it should be always on.
13. On that note: at one point you said the Sync dialog would "remember" your last options as far as Update Tags and Delete Files. That doesn't seem to be working
14. Is it possible to auto-expand the Playlist tree when the sync dialog is displayed so that tree items that have Playlists pre-selected are automatically displayed?
15. Suggest that you remove the Auto Smartlists (Video & Image) playlist group from the sync dialog. Can't use it, why should it be there right?
16. Would really love to see some method other than write clicking to get to iPod functions. Hey, what about adding toolbar options? Could you add a new toolbar group as part of the portables plugin? Man, would *that* be cool. I can see it now, even with nifty iPod iCons. iSaw Kurt start writing like this and iRemember him saying that it was hard to stop. Now iKnow what he meant. :). OK, iMoving on. Really though, any way to get some BUTTONs instead of right-clicking would be cool.
17. If possible, is there a way to prevent the "Cannot Find Plugin" if you don't have the iPod selected and you try and sync off of it. Minor issue, but new users will be confused and really, it shouldn't do that.
Guess that's enough, sorry for the novella.
Adam
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I am having some similar problems with my Ipod and MC9. I reformatted the Ipod and transferred the files in the media library back to the Ipod (702 tracks). All but one album transferred (weird). No matter what I tried none of the tracks in the album would go into the Ipod. Finally, I deleted the entire album from the media library and from the souce folder. I had a complete backup of the "\my music" folder on another drive. I copied it to the original \my music folder and it loaded into the Ipod. I guess something was corrupt with the files/tags (but they looked fine).
Now I can't completely synch the playlists. If I synch the tracks using "transfer all" all goes well with the 702 tracks. When I use "select all" it gets through about 10% and the progress screen freezes. I tried it several times and the progress screen would freeze at anywhere from 380 to 520 of 5191. I tried unchecking all but "all music" and got an instant 'mediacore' crash. Strange, but when I unchecked everything but "recently imported -- imported today" (which they all were) it worked fine. ?
BTW, I switched from plugin 33 to 34 and didn't see any change. Also, if I wait well over a minute, the freeze 'thaws' and I get control of MC again with no apparent trouble in the program. ;D
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HAHA!! Adam, dude, you crack me up. I'm glad you've come over here to the dark side (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view.php?id=68643), bro. ("Now, I can shoot lightning out of my fingers and choke people over the phone") And aye, it's totally hard to stop typing like that once you start.
A toolbar would be BOSS. I mean, I very rarely use that adjective, but... it'd just be BOSS to have iPod functions on the MC toolbar. If not a separate toolbar, then at least some buttons that could be added (or would be added when you install the plugin, or would become visible when you click on the iPod in the tree... etc).
I'm m.i.a. again for a bit, sigh. I've already missed two builds. I had a bit of a hard drive meltdown (note that Tweek is missing, along with the *ahem* pretty iPod icon in my sig *ahem*) and I'm taking advantage of the downtime to do some maintenence, reformats, and reinstalls. Heh, and since I'm shuffling around data, I've actually formatted my iPod via windows explorer and am temporarily using it as a firewire hard drive. Never thought I'd be doing that when I bought it, eh?
You guys just keep rockin, and think fondly of me... I should be back in action by the weekend. I'll tip a fourty for y'all while I play sysadmin over here. Cheers, fellas.
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Ok. I've got the .34 plugin installed now. I tried reformatting my iPod for MJ and sync'ing. It still crashed part-way through. Just like tou, the sync window indicates an incorrect (optimistic? ;D) countdown timer (see image below). When the countdown timer gets near 0:00, it crashes. The same thing happens when queued songs are transferred using the "Upload Files" button (see second image - the progress bar is too far considering the number of songs left to be transferred). It crashed when the progress bar was completely full.
(http://home.nyu.edu/~djm308/webaccess/mjcrash.jpg)
(http://home.nyu.edu/~djm308/webaccess/mjtransfer.jpg)
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Hey guys, regarding the "freeze". When I do it, it freezes and the app looks like it's crashed, but if you wait it will eventually complete the sync/upload and everthing will be fine. Is that what you've been experiencing? Have you tried waiting?
I think we just got a little bug back that we used to have.
Hey DeeJayPod: thanks for putting the screenshots up, now Steve knows what I mean about the inconsistency between the two status dialogs. And don't that first one look *much* prettier? ;D
Kurt: we've missed your quips, bro. I've seen that movie. Gotta love that 'un. Tip a forty for me.... ;)
Adam
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Vote 1 for the pretty status box.
-=Tim=-
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Hey guys, regarding the "freeze". When I do it, it freezes and the app looks like it's crashed, but if you wait it will eventually complete the sync/upload and everthing will be fine. Is that what you've been experiencing? Have you tried waiting?
Hey Adam,
For me, at least, it seems to be an all-out crash. In WinXP, I get an OS notification that the app has crashed and MJ shuts down by itself.
-DJP
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OK, DeeJayPod, that no good.
Steve? Enlighten us oh wise one.....we beg of thee.
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Hello All,
Wow, y'all gave me a lot to work with. Let's get down to business....
I have just posted a new Plug-in (3.0.35). I was able to duplicate the GUI lock and figured out why. I think it is fixed. I think this will fix the crashing as well.
Adam's novella :)..
BTW.. Many issues can only be resolved only when we are able to do a new build of MC 9 which is on hold until the new year at which time I can begin to make the appropriate modifications.
1) Hopefully resolved in new build
2) I could not duplicate this. Are you using a smartlist or a playlist. Only smartlists will randomly regenerate the contents. For me, if I create a smartlist like the one you suggest, the content is transferred differently each time. If you don't want the contents of the smartlist on iPod to be additive, be sure to check "Delete files not in synch".
3) This is now included. Eventually you will be able to reorder the files by drag and drop but this will have to wait for the new build of MC 9
4) I know about this. There is not a way to get better status back for this process. I can try to make more educated guesses, but this is the best it can be for now.
5) This does not look good. When you play files on your Windows formatted iPod, a file called "PlayCounts" gets created, but it is empty even after playing files. This tells me that it is not implemented by Apple and is something that I have no control over. If anyone knows of a Windows application that handles PlayCounts for iPod, please send me a copy of the PlayCounts file and I will see if I can do anything with it.
6) I included a check that instructs the user to format if a MJ format has not been performed. I opted not to automate this to minimize the chance that a user may inadvertently format with us when they don't need to. Also because I think we are compatible with formatting by some other apps which means that a format may not always be necessary.
7) This is now no longer necessary. If a user wants to name his/her iPod "MJ ROCKS"(or whatever), they can do so and we will detect it if they go to Tools->Plugin Manager->Handheld->Portable Drives->Configure and then enter the corresponding volume label.
8) Must wait for new MC build.
10) Your powers grow strong. I no longer sense a disturbance in the MC force.
11) The "Ugly" status is generated from within MC not the plugin. I can try to sidestep it when with a new MC build.
12/13) The promised storing of these options is already in MC 9 but not released yet.
14) Yes, new build of MC9
15) New build
16) This would be cool, but would require some major reconstruction of how MC and the Plug-in interact.
17) New Build MC 9
PS For all the "New Build MC 9" things after the new year, if I forget to get on these, feel free to remind me.
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Holy Plugins Batman! That's more than I expected. Can't wait for the new MC9 build!!!!
Regarding playcounts....BUMMER! Those lame Apple programmers, what were they thinking not meeting the needs of the majority of their Market (WiPods). DUH!
I'll update the help guide on the ipod name fix. Still need to send that to you.....
Can't wait for the 8).
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PS For all the "New Build MC 9" things after the new year, if I forget to get on these, feel free to remind me.
...like we wouldn't? :)
Thanks for all the goodies and goodies to come!
-=Tim=--
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Regarding playcounts....BUMMER! Those lame Apple programmers, what were they thinking not meeting the needs of the majority of their Market (WiPods). DUH!
Don't doubt Steve of couse but I'd think that if you were porting this over (and really the change fro MiPod to WiPod isn't that complex is it?) it'd be tougher to take it out than to leave it in, weird.
Could it be that iTunes initializes that field in some way that that lame-o MMJB doesn't? Hey, what the heck do I know. :)
-=Tim=-
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TimB,
I don't know. I do know that the file gets created by iPod when you start playing stuff on the iPod. For example, if you delete the Play Counts file (in iTunes Folder on iPod) and play some files on iPod, when you go back to your PC, you will see the file. It is empty. Since this is all happening on the iPod, I don't see any way to change this behavior. I know where in the database the info should be stored, but iPod does not make any modifications to this field so I can't retrieve it when you reconnect.
Sorry.
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Hey Adam
Like DeeJAy Pod I just get an all out crash.
Windows notification and BANG MJ closes.
It happens very quick.
Glad I saw the status bar and noticed the time counter.
Thanks for the screen shots DeeJAy Pod!"How did you do that?"
I hope it helps Steve fix this problem
I was beginning to think it was just me
I never had this problem in the very first builds
It really sucks!
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I hope it helps Steve fix this problem
I was beginning to think it was just me
I never had this problem in the very first builds
It really sucks!
Tou have you tested .35 that Steve just put up?
-=Tim=-
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Steve:
I reported in my novella what I thought was a bug regarding randomized playlists. You said it worked, I can't get it to.
Here's my sit:
2 Playlists:
Playlist #1 has all my tunes on it that I want on my iPod
Playlist #2 is this: =Playlist #1, Not Genre: (Classical), Limit= 480 minutes, sort=random.
When I sync, I would expect that Playlist #2 gets refreshed with a new list of songs and a new Sequence order. That's not happening--it's keeping the old list of songs and the old sequence (from the last sync). It only works if I first delete the Playlist then do a sync. Even if I check "Delete Files" it won't work.
My suspicion is that it has something to do with the fact that all the songs will *always* already be on the iPod because they are part of Playlist #1.
Sorry to give you more headache. Let me know if you have any questions.
Adam
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Don't doubt Steve of couse but I'd think that if you were porting this over (and really the change fro MiPod to WiPod isn't that complex is it?) it'd be tougher to take it out than to leave it in, weird....
-=Tim=-
On rereading this I wanted to make sure that its clear that the "you" I was referring to was Apple not Steve. :) Steve is great!!!!!
-=Tim=-
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:-/DeeJayPod
I downloaded the latest plugin and I am still having the same problem as before
How about you?
I can sync some files now.
If for example i sync a playlist that has perhaps 26 songs in it .It transfer fine .
But when it has 100 + songs in it once again the counter runs out and Mediacore has detected a problem and needs to close and i am back to desktop.
Crap! I was hoping this would be it.
Anythoughts on what is going on Steve :-/
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tou:
You were able to upload fine with other programs right? I mean w/like ephpod or something? Just trying to rule out firewire stuff and the like.
Let's see, you have the latest MC build (88 or 89 work fine). Right?
Have you tried doing a restore on your iPod, then a format for MJ? I know it's a long shot, but I'm just trying anything.
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It looks like plugin 35 is working better. I am able to completely synch now (files and playlists) and the progress screen works to completion. I entered 6 or 7 complete CDs tonight with only minor glitches (i.e. the Ipod refused to delete a few files that had their file names changed in MC). I was able to use Xplay and brute force delete them there. :)
Overall, I am really pleased with MC 9 and how it handles the Ipod. I just wish I had not spent money on other Ipod software before finding Media Center! ;D
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Uh oh! I looked in my Ipod and ALL of the playlists are gone. I did a re-synch in MC 9 (to completion) with no change. All of the playlists/smartlists are still in MC 9's library and were checked prior to the synch. I am using plugin 35 on a Win 10 GB Ipod.
Any ideas?
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Steve:
... When I sync, I would expect that Playlist #2 gets refreshed with a new list of songs and a new Sequence order. That's not happening--it's keeping the old list of songs and the old sequence (from the last sync). It only works if I first delete the Playlist then do a sync. Even if I check "Delete Files" it won't work. ...
Adam
Adam,
This is not logical for me. A playlist is something static. It should not change itself when syncing. Otherwise I could never create a random playlist and keep it as it is whitout loosing it every time I sync.
What you want to do is exactly, what smartlists do. They are dynamic and I expect them to do this (choose other files and mix them up when syncing). And that's what it does in fact. There's no reason for me to "mix" the functions from playlists and smartlists.
By the way: I did a lot of testing with V. 35 (syncing, uploading, deleting, update tags etc. Had absolutely no problems so far. No GUI locks and sync dialog keeps the last chosen options for me.
Fex
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Sorry to say that .35 didn't do the trick for me either. :( It crashes the same way as before. It looks like I opened up a real can of worms when posting my problem - sorry again, Steve, but I guess better now than later...
Anyway, just to confirm, I have not had this type of a problem with any other sync software - I've used MMJB and EphPod.
Concerning the screenshots, Tou, you need some server space where you can post them, then link to them using the image tags (available from the YABBC posting toolbar). To take screenshots of a window, hit Alt-PrintScreen and save the copied image to a graphic file in any graphics editor.
Hope everyone's having a good weekend! It's a nice winter day here in NYC!
Later,
DJP
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Adam,
This is not logical for me. A playlist is something static. It should not change itself when syncing. Otherwise I could never create a random playlist and keep it as it is whitout loosing it every time I sync.
What you want to do is exactly, what smartlists do. They are dynamic and I expect them to do this (choose other files and mix them up when syncing). And that's what it does in fact. There's no reason for me to "mix" the functions from playlists and smartlists.
Fex:
I should have been more clear (I think Steve knew what I was talking about from an earlier post). This is a Smartlist, not a manual Playlist. So Playlist #2 in my scenario does refresh with a new list of songs each time I view it in MC. I would expect each sync of that Playlist (smartlist) to get refreshed as well.
Adam
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Adam
I have Ephpod currently on my computer.
I have version 2.60b . I don't know if you had a chance to try it yet. You should if you haven't. It's wicked fast now. Faster than anything currently I believe.
Slowest speed i get running Windows routines is 8mbps.
I have got speeds up to 14. I haven't tried the internel copy routines.
Yes i had Music match 7.5 on my computer and it ran fine.
I just deleted it because in didn't like it like so many people.
I had version 88 of mediacenter on my computer and upgrade to the 90 build.
Now i have more problems1
The sync funtion no longer shows and also no format for mj!
It seems to me the more builds we have the more problems come up.
The first couple of builds worked fine .
Now i have another problem besides the sync and crash problem.
I have the event log on my computer detailing what happens when it crashes
I can't sent it using this format because it is rather large
I tried to shorten it but still had no luck sending it.
If you or Steve thinks it is important . You cansend me your e amil address and i can send it too you
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Just a little update
I deleted the 90 mediacenter build from my computer and reinstalled the 88 build that i still had on my computer because of the problem i discussed in my previous post.
Well i downloaded latest plugin and let it rip.
It said my ipod needed to be formated for mj
It never said that before " I just did it myself'
I formatted and synced some files
Well believe it or not it worked great!
I synced various smart playlists Random CD, High Bitrate, Random 1 hour.
I thought "man this is sweet" IT WORKS!
Then I did all music and it synced fine but I noticed it said I only had 249 songs on my computer.
I have 649 songs on it.
So i went to media library and selected import media and imported my mp3 files from my music file.
Presto...649 songs!
I then selected sync all music files for the acid test.
Well it flunked again.
SAme problem again
The counter ran out before it got to 200 songs and crashed.
BALLS! I thought i had it this time. :-/
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Tou:
I tried ephpod 2.60a just for kicks. Didn't get much faster speeds than before, and it was slower for me at least than MC is reporting. It also crashed. I'm sure 2.60b is more stable, but since MC9 is working for me, I'm hooked.
I'm bummed that you're having problems with the most recent builds still. Hopefully Steve will resolve that (I'm sure he will!). You said you had version .90 of MC. There isn't a .90 out yet, did you mean .89? Just curious.
Steve:
One thing I did notice is that the iPod still needs to be named "IPOD". I tried renaming it to something else (using Explorer, not doing it through MC) and my iPod was recognized in CD, DVD & Handhelds, but it didn't have the right options and it should the ipod_control folder. Couldn't do anything until I changed it back to "IPOD" in explorer.
Just an FYI.
Adam
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Yikes!
I got everything up and running, and got the latest mc9 and plugin.
I dig the "Your iPod may not work with MJ, you should format it" dialogue... nice.
Update tags as enabled by default, I like it. Now if "Delete songs not in list" was enabled by default... ;)
So, I started a sync and walked away. Same sync that I've used many times in the past, same group of playlists, that is. Bout 2229 songs, as reported by the dialogue. I came back to "Media Core" having crashed. Doh. :'(
Media Jukebox 9.0.89 -- C:\Program Files\J River\Media Center\
Microsoft Windows XP Workstation 5.1 Service Pack 1 (Build 2600)
Intel Pentium III 931 MHz MMX / Memory: Total - 1048 MB, Free - 534 MB
Internet Explorer: 6.0.2800.1106 / ComCtl32.dll: 6.00.2800.1106 / Shlwapi.dll: 6.00.2800.1106
Shell32.dll: 6.00.2800.1106 / wnaspi32.dll: Internal ASPI Layer
Ripping / Drive G: Copy mode:ModeBurstBigBuffer CD Type:Auto Read speed:Max
Drive H: Copy mode:ModeBurstBigBuffer CD Type:Auto Read speed:Max
Digital playback: Yes / Use YADB: Yes / Get cover art: No / Calc replay gain: No / Copy volume: 32767
Eject after ripping: No / Play sound after ripping: No
Burning / Drive G: SAMSUNG CD-R/RW SW-212B Addr: 1:0:0 Speed:12 MaxSpeed:12 Use MJ Engine:Yes
Test mode: No / Eject after writing: Yes / Direct decoding: Yes / Write CD-Text: No
Use playback settings: No / Normalization: None
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Now if "Delete songs not in list" was enabled by default... ;)
Them's feudin' words! (http://users.telenet.be/eforum/emoticons4u/violent/sterb094.gif)
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Them's feudin' words! (http://users.telenet.be/eforum/emoticons4u/violent/sterb094.gif)
-=Tim=-
The force is strong in this one... >:( Join me, and we will rule the galaxy together...
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Adam
You are right it is version 89 not 90 as i said.
It just i am more than "bummed" about this issue right now as I am sure DeeJayPod and others are right now.
Joe Freshman has a winner with 2.60b IMHO
Runs fine on my system.
It has a few little quirks
And it screams
It all i have for now till Steve works his magic on this problem.
Or till Apple releases Itunes for Windows
Did I say that! shhhhh! ;)
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Joe Freshman has a winner with 2.60b IMHO
Runs fine on my system.
It has a few little quirks
And it screams
It all i have for now till Steve works his magic on this problem.
EphPod is my second favorite iPod loading program, its very cool and there's no doubt that we're still working out the bugs on the MC solution.
However, that said, SteveG has been knocking out the bugs, is VERY receptive on both bugs and features requests and MC is a complete MP3 management solution.
Just my thoughts. :)
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Wanted to make sure this thread from the MC9 section wasn't missed. :)
http://www.musicex.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=beta;action=display;num=1040590999
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Hello Everyone,
I want to try to get to the bottom of the problems some of you are having. For anyone who is experiencing the synch crash, please list for me:
1) MC 9 version
2) MJ Plug-in version ( as listed in Plug-in Manager->Handhelds->Portable Drive )
3) Operating System
4) What options you have selected during synch. (i.e. Update Tags, Delete files not in List , Synch all files)
I have some of this info for some of you but if I can get all of it for all of you, I hope I can find a pattern and a solution. Thanks.
Adam,
I see the dilemma with the All Files Playlist. Let me think on this.
Also, after you renamed the volume label, did you go to the Plug-in Manager in MC and rename the volume label to the correct name there?
PS Tim, thanks for posting the other thread here.
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1) MC 9 version
9.0.89
2) MJ Plug-in version ( as listed in Plug-in Manager->Handhelds->Portable Drive )
3.0.35
3) Operating System
Windows XP Home
4) What options you have selected during synch. (i.e. Update Tags, Delete files not in List , Synch all files)
Update Tags - YES
Delete - NO
Sync all - YES
I'll be around for the rest of the day today (so let me know if you have anything specific you'd like me to test), but unfortunately, I'm going out of town tomorrow for about 2 weeks.
-DJP
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Adam,
I see the dilemma with the All Files Playlist. Let me think on this.
Also, after you renamed the volume label, did you go to the Plug-in Manager in MC and rename the volume label to the correct name there?
Steve:
No, I did not. Thought that that might be the issue. The problem is, if you don't know that you are supposed to do that, you're never prompted. That's why a wizard approach would be the best bet. I can assure you that when people switch to MC9 from other programs they will have renamed their iPods as most programs (Xplay, Ephpod) that people are using allow you to or force you to select a name for your iPod from write w/in the program. I really thinks some wizard option needs to be implemented to improve the UI here and prevent users from total confusion. For now I've kept it in the User Guide.
Adam
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Adam,
The next Plug-in will have a Message Box that will alert the user how to modify the Volume Label in MC/MJ.
Thanks,
Steve
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Steve
mc version 89
MJ Ipod Plug In 3.0.35
Options selected
update tags yes
delete no
sync all yes.
I noticed when i select transfer all It gives me 2 minutes to download 649 songs
When i select just update tags I get 3 minutes to download songs.
It still crashes but I can get more songs on my ipod before crashing because of increased time.
Also when select select all It downloads at a much much faster speed. I am talking blazing here Steve!
Also when i select just one smart list say All Music and select nothing in the boxes.
That is I check nothing!
I leave everything blank and select okay
It screams!!!
It stills crashes but because of the increased speed it seems to download more
So i think we have either a time problem or a speed issue here
i hope i am pointed you in the right direction Steve
Have a nice Holiday everyone!
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No crashes tonight. MC9.0.89, iPod 3.0.35. ~2000 songs, 8MB/s (screamin!), no boxes checked except for "Update Tags", many smartlists included in sync. Kurt's a happy podder!
Here's a little treat for y'all (http://www.southparkstudios.com/down/download.html?file=/media/video/409/409_wendy.rm) -- funny stuff indeed!
BTW, XPlay isn't on my system anymore, and I haven't used Ephpod in ages. MC rules.
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My IPOD seems not to be able to see all that MJ has downloaded onto the disk.
So I can see all the files in MJ looking at the IPOD from there - I can't see the files out of 1 of the 8 smartlists I used to download on the IPOD using its own interface.
I am using MC 9 and the newest IPOD plugin downloaded today. The IPOD is a 20G PC version.
I have reformated the IPOD using MJ. I use smartlists to gather up the files off the PC.
Synhronizing finds missing files but again I see no changes on the Ipod interface only in MJ.
Where am I going wrong and what should I watch out for?
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fan_man,
I want to try to understand the problem. I think you are saying that you synch a smartlist and you can see the files from within MC, but cannot find them on the iPod. How are you browsing for them, by Artist, Album or Song name? Can you check if the files are in the correct folder on the iPod as listed in the filepath from within MC?
Steve
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Hi Steve,
what more can I tell you?
To me it looks like some format mismatch with how the IPOD looks at its disk and how MJ looks at it from the outside.
The stuff is there I just cannot get at it from the IPOD interface.
Thanks for responding
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Hi Steve,
sorry couldn't see all the text at first.
Yes, you get the right idea. I tried browsing by genre, artist and title. The ipod is consistent and does no take notice of the files.
Best Regards
Fan Man
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Something else, using windows explorer the ipod shows no file, no directories but show the correct amount of used and free.
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Hello,
I've got a similar problem, I'm new to MJ8 so I just got the latest version as well as the latest iPod plugin v.35 I believe, sorry I'm away from my home computer...but last night I was ripping cd's and when I'd go to upload them to my iPod it would copy maybe 2 full cd's then would just overwrite existing songs on the iPod with each subsequent disc upload so at most I've only got 2 cd's worth of music on my iPod. I tried reformatting the iPod drive thru MJ8 but this didn't resolve anything. Can anyone shed some light?
Much appreciated,
TegaJones
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Steve/Fan_man:
I've seen this before when we were getting the disappearing songs on the iPod, it was before the .34 build I think. You'd upload songs to the iPod and all would look fine in MC9, but when you went to look on the iPod it was either missing a playlist or missing all tunes..basically it looked like it was empty. Even though looking at the iPod in Windows explorer should that they files were there.
It came down to a corrupted iTunes database, although Steve, I never knew how it got in that state.
Fan_man, perhaps sending Steve a copy of your iTunes DB file would help.
Just make a copy of it, it's on your iPod in the ipod_control\iTunes folders. And it's called iTunesDB.
If I may be so bold as to include Steve's email as well:
It's steve @ jriver.com :-[
Good luck guys, because if this bug is out there we're all probably going to run into it sometime.......
Adam
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Fan_Man,
Can you check and be sure that you have version 3.0.35 of the Plug-in? Do this by going to Tools->Plug-in Manager->Handheld->Portable Drives and checking the version. If you do not have 3.0.35, please download it.
If you do have 3.0.35, can you find a song on iPod from within MC, check the folder it is in and then go to My Computer->Ipod Drive Letter->iPod_Control->Music->Folder Number and check if the file is there?
TegaJones,
You would upload a CD of songs and then upload a different list of songs and the first files would be overwritten? What actions are you taking to upload the song (i.e. drag and drop, synch, or send-to)?
Adam,
Thanks for the help. No problem about the email. I just put a space in between to keep spamers from grabbing my address.
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Adam,
thank you. I think you are on to something.
As I said: my Ipod is EMPTY in explorer - no directories and no itunes db at all.
Given that it is amazing I see the 400 odd files that I do on the IPOD interface.
Thanks
Fan Man
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Steve,
I am using 3.0.35.
When I expang the ipod drive letter in MJ I see
Albums, Artist, Genres, Playlists - thats it.
I do not see any of the directory information you refer to.
Thanks
Fan Man
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Fan Man,
I think it is impossible that these folders do not actually exist on the player. I think something in your view is not allowing you to see them.
Steve
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Steve,
I think I understand what you meant now:
- The is nothing under the ipod drive in my computer.
- The files that I can access on the IPOD are in all sorts of different directories. The ones that are hidded all seem to be in 19.
Maybe that helps.
Fan Man
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Fan Man,
You will not see these folders in MC but either in Explorer or under My Computer. Try right clicking on your iPod drive letter and select "Format". You will lose any data you have on the iPod but afterwards, hopefully things will be better. If you are still stuck, email me at steve @ jriver.com.
Steve
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Whoa, wait guys. Don't do a reformat. Then we'll lose that iTunes db file and can't troubleshoot it.
Fan_man:
The reason you don't see anything on the iPod in Explorer/My Computer is most probably because you have "View Hidden Files" turned off. the iPod_control folder is a hidden folder.
To enable viewing of hidden folders in My Computer/Explorer, click Tools>Folder Options. On the View tab scroll down "Hidden Files & Folders" and make sure that viewing of these folders is enabled. It's probably turned off on your PC.
Then check out your iPod. There should be an ipod_control folder with a subfolder of itunes in it that has the database file we're looking for.
Adam
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Everyone,
I just posted a new Plug-in (3.0.36) with a Message Box to inform users how to modify the Volume Label if needed and also with some bug fixes that will address catching files that report in MC as either having no size or no bitrate. I think this may have been causing some of the synch crashing.
I will be back on Thursday to see how things are going for all the good boys and girls who got iPod's under their trees.
For those of you who celebrate Christmas, have a good one.
Steve
PS This thread has gotten huge, so I am closing it and starting a fresh one.