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More => Old Versions => Media Center 11 (Development Ended) => Topic started by: PhatPhreddy on January 13, 2004, 08:32:46 am
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Perhaps there is a way to control this but it keeps bugging me...
When I install MC it steals association for all kinds of video codecs that I dont want it too... When I set it to scan library I only set it to scan for audio formats and no video ones yet every time I install (and install betas) it keeps insisting it should control a hole host of file formats and I have to manually set them back...
Most other apps give you a set of tick boxes to change associations but MC seems to just assume I want it to be associated with video files and image files..
How do I stop this...
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YOU can set file associations in the Options Dialog :)
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How do you do that before install ??
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Hmm... interesting.
The installer used to ask you what file associations you wanted. It doesn't seem to do this.
Kind of lends some credence to all of those claims that MC steals file associations. Now I feel like an idiot for refuting those claims.
When did this change?
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I haven't had any problem with MC stealing any associations on my machine... are these files associated with anything else on your machine (I guess they are, but the only thing I can think of is it stealing 'untaken' associations). Other than that I've got no idea :(
NB: I haven't done extensive testing, so this could be because I installed from 9.1 and just reinstalled over the top (up to 10.0.32 now)... though I think I've installed a v10 on another system and it didn't steal... though I could just have a faulty memory :)
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Yes I have MC associated only to audio...
WMV to WMP9
DVD to TheaterTek
All other video to Zoom Player
It seems to do it on each beta install as well which is mighty annoying... Of course I had not set associations in options before this so dont know if that will stop it...
Either way its not 'polite' to just grab everything without a question.
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Hmm... weird, I haven't touched the associations in the options menu myself (though this may solve your problem) or -recall- changing any associations when I installed 9.1 (though I could be wrong, was there something about audio cds?)... and I don't change anything when I install the betas... just a standard install. Yet nothing on my system is associated with MC... got audio associated with Winamp and movies with BSPlayer (I also use Zoomplayer, depending on my mood). I feel no need to use associations to MC myself, since if I want to play a file in MC I'll just find it in MC :)
So it seems (with my system at least) that the default was to leave the associations as they were... though without testing I cannot confirm this.
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PP,
I don't believe MC is grabbing everything without asking.
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The only filetype I have associated with MC is Media Playlist (mpl), but once in awhile it steals back the Audio Playlist (m3u,pls,xpl,bpl) association. I haven't been able to figure out what causes it to do this, though.
Rob
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Well not only has it stolen them once but it stole them again when I reloaded the MC10 beta on my main desktop...
Of course as this is an 'on install' issue its hard to see what happens on clean install as it is on all my machines...
Thinking about it tho... I just put it on a laptop... Yep all video files are linked to MC10 on that machine now...
I keep manually resetting them back and will report after the next time i load a new beta but it is happening and it is annoying... Perhaps changing the options will avoid this...
Also you do all get the install stage where is starts install and then flashes through what look like various install choices screens without waiting for any confirms... Perhaps that is linked to my problems.
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I have to manually set them back...
Did you deselect the checkboxes from MC Options? I think if you have there something selected, next time you install MC it assumes you want them to be associated with MC.
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You do get the option to do a custom install ('Custom' from the second screen you see... after accepting the licence)... this -shouldn't- skip any options as far as I know.
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You do get the option to do a custom install ('Custom' from the second screen you see... after accepting the licence)... this -shouldn't- skip any options as far as I know.
Actually, I think it's MIA from the last few builds. I hadn't noticed it before, but I looked for it when I installed 10.0.35 and there was no associations page in the install wizard. This was with a custom installation...
-John
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I should have said "shouldn't skip any options that are there" :) I don't recall seeing an associations page either... just didn't want PhatPhreddy thinking he couldn't look at that stuff that flashed by :)
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you also need to check the scheduler because if you have that setup it will keep taking your associations.
it should be in the lower right corner
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The first occasion I've had in a year or so on stealing associations was today. I didn't look very carefuly at it, but for the first time ever, clicking on a .wmv file on a website went into MC. It's pulled up WMP9 as I wanted it too every other time I've ever done it.
I installed the latest version yesterday.
And, yes, Doof is right... it doesn't give you the associations options in the install anymore.
Dan "da Man"
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it doesn't give you the associations options in the install anymore
I thought it did, If you use "Custom Install"
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It doesn't ask you that anymore like it used to. I'm not sure when it stopped.
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I thought it did, If you use "Custom Install"
And not to belabour a point but even that it too little... It should not require a custom install to stop MC taking control of associations... Default controls should offer this setup task.
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I thought it did, If you use "Custom Install"
And not to belabour a point but even that it too little... It should not require a custom install to stop MC taking control of associations... Default controls should offer this setup task.
I can't say that I agree with that. An express install, by it's very definition, means that you accept all of the default install options. That means location, icon creation, and file associations. If you want to customize your installation options, then you choose a custom install.
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I thought it did, If you use "Custom Install"
And not to belabour a point but even that it too little... It should not require a custom install to stop MC taking control of associations... Default controls should offer this setup task.
I can't say that I agree with that. An express install, by it's very definition, means that you accept all of the default install options. That means location, icon creation, and file associations. If you want to customize your installation options, then you choose a custom install.
Yeah but... If you've already installed once successfully and have modified your association options, should you have to keep using the custom install options to keep your associations (assuming it gets fixed) every time you upgrade for the rest of eternity? Upgrading doesn't overwrite any other customizations. Unlike locations and icon creation, associations aren't solely an install option.
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From what I understand, in that case, the installer defaults to however you have it set in options. I can't really comment if it's working that way, though, since I have MC associated with everything by choice.
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10.0.38 again stole the .WMV.
In my opinion, WMP9 views streaming video better, or at least has a better interface. So I like to keep it that way, if possible. Are you listening, Matt and JimH?
Dan "da Man"
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This was our error and should be fixed in the next build (42). You will still need to set the file associations one more time with WMP and then the next time you install you won't need to.
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This was our error and should be fixed in the next build (42). You will still need to set the file associations one more time with WMP and then the next time you install you won't need to.
Found my way over to this thread from the 10.0.42 beta discussion. I've re-set all associations in WMP9, and removed _all_ associations in MC10, but internet streaming is still taken over by MC. What's worse is that MC can not play the video stream I'm trying to access--it either errors out or does nothing. Even if I wanted to use MC to view it, I can't.
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Found my way over to this thread from the 10.0.42 beta discussion. I've re-set all associations in WMP9, and removed _all_ associations in MC10, but internet streaming is still taken over by MC. What's worse is that MC can not play the video stream I'm trying to access--it either errors out or does nothing. Even if I wanted to use MC to view it, I can't.
What version of MC are you using? Did you set the file associations AFTER you installed? Are the types unchecked in MC's file associations?
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Using MC10.0.42. As I said, ALL associations in MC are UNCHECKED. All associations in WMP9 are checked, for purposes of testing.
I've been using Mediacenter since v9 first came out--never had any problem with MC taking over any associations until downloading v10 beta (I believe the first 10beta build I downloaded was .36.)
As for when I set the associations, I've always had MC set ONLY for .mp3 and playlist file types, I never used it for anything else other than to manage my music collection. I never changed anything when installing v10, and furthermore, actually disabled _every_ file association listed in MC10, but the behavior continues.
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For the record:
In my 2+ years stint with using MJ/MC, installing beta after beta, hundreds by now I'm sure, I have never once come across MJ/MC stealing file associations. Not once, ever.
Yes, somewhere back there it stopped asking at install, but it still doesn't steal my files associations, not once.
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I realize that you said the file associations were set correctly, but I asked about the order in which it was done.
The problem should have been fixed in build 42.
Did you reboot?
Try installing again.
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For the record:
In my 2+ years stint with using MJ/MC, installing beta after beta, hundreds by now I'm sure, I have never once come across MJ/MC stealing file associations. Not once, ever.
Yes, somewhere back there it stopped asking at install, but it still doesn't steal my files associations, not once.
True, but we made a change that had a side effect of causing this problem. It happened in one of the recent 10.0 builds. We're trying to correct it. We don't want to set file associations in any way other than what you want.
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I've reinstalled and rebooted, same behavior. I'll try it again...
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I just checked this and it works as it should.
I set file associations for WM Video in MC to off.
I set file associations for WM Video in WMP to on.
I then checked in Windows Explorer/Tools/Folder Options/Files for WMV association and it said it opens WMV "Windows Media Player"
I then played a WMV file from Windows Explorer. It opened WMP and played it.
Try going to MC Help and system info and then pasting it here.
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OK, reinstalled and rebooted once more. The good news is that the audio stream now at least plays in MC10--before it would hang or error out. Video stream still tries to open in MC10, but will not play. And regardless, neither will open in WMP, which is what I want.
I've checked a number of sites that I frequent for internet radio, and am having the same results everywhere, so it doesn't appear to be an isolated instance...
Thanks for your quick responses... hopefully a solution can be found soon.
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Jim,
I've already got everything turned off in MC10, and everything on in WMP9. I also checked the associations in Windows Explorer, and it shows (properly) that WMV is associated with WMP (it also shows WMA and every WMP type properly associated.)
I don't have any WMV files downloaded to test that on, but when I select MP3s on my hard drive, they open in WMP with no problem.
As soon as I try to stream any WMP audio or video, though, it will not open in WMP... it keeps going back to MC10. Mind you, when I open the tools>options menu in MC, everything is still uncheck (except for .MPL playlists, which is automatically checked every time I open the menu.)
Here is a paste from the Help>System Info tab:
Media Center Registered 10.0.42 -- C:\Program Files\J River\Media Center\
Microsoft Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 1 (Build 2600)
Intel Pentium 4 2425 MHz MMX / Memory: Total - 523 MB, Free - 225 MB
Internet Explorer: 6.0.2800.1106 / ComCtl32.dll: 5.82 (xpsp1.020828-1920) / Shlwapi.dll: 6.00.2800.1276 / Shell32.dll: 6.00.2800.1233 (xpsp2.030604-1804) / wnaspi32.dll: N/A
Ripping / Drive L: Copy mode:ModeSecure CD Type:Auto Read speed:Max
Drive M: Copy mode:ModeSecure CD Type:Auto Read speed:Max
Drive N: Copy mode:Normal CD Type:Auto Read speed:Max
Drive O: Copy mode:Normal CD Type:Auto Read speed:Max
Digital playback: Yes / Use YADB: Yes / Get cover art: Yes / Calc replay gain: Yes / Copy volume: 32767
Eject after ripping: No / Play sound after ripping: No
Burning / Drive M: TDK CDRW4800B Addr: 2:1:0 Speed:48 MaxSpeed:48 BurnProof:Yes
Test mode: No / Eject after writing: Yes / Direct decoding: Yes / Write CD-Text: No
Use playback settings: No / Normalization: None
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Can you post a link that doesn't work? Maybe other people could try it.
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I was going to post a link earlier, but it's a paid subscription site, and I don't think there is any free audio or video. www.glennbeck.com. I rely on the web subscription since the show is only partially aired in my market...
There is link for WMP audio on the homepage of the site, the link for webcam is behind the login page.
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Can you give an example that doesn't require a signup?
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Not one that I know of. There are only two subscriptions I pay for on the web: both are radio brodcasts, and both are behaving this way, and both only since installing MC10.
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Both sites' links to audio webcast end in:
type=windows_live
Such as:
http://www.premiereinteractive.com/cgi-bin/members.cgi?stream=live&site=glennbeck&type=win_videoHI_live
or
http://www.premiereinteractive.com/cgi-bin/members.cgi?stream=live&site=glennbeck&type=windows_live
I don't know web programming or CGI scripting, so the technical stuff is over my head. But perhaps that can help you identify the association problem. Barring that, maybe the webmaster could help you identify the problem?
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Jim,
Will there be a way to fix this? Thanks.
(I've installed 10.0.43--problem still exists.)
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Mark,
I'm not sure what you're seeing is the same problem or not.
Can anyone else duplicate this problem with build 43 or higher?
Install the build, set the file associations the way you want MC and the other application (WMP, for example). Subsequent installations should not affect file associations.
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I can confirm the opposite. ;D
With v.10.0.43, the problem with MC silently stealing WMA streams went away. (I know above it was stated that the problem was fixed in v.10.0.42, and I'll accept that. My previous version was v.10.0.38.)
Steps I Took:
First, I opened up WMP9, and then I toggled off then back on an association (to register as a "change" that could be "applied").
I closed WMP9.
I launched the MC v.10.0.43 installer and did the "express" setup likeI always do.
I closed MC.
In my broswer, I launched a WMA stream, and by George, WMP9 popped up like it used to. In other words, MC was no longer setting itself as the default player.
Omni
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It's still there, Jim. I've re-installed 10.0.43 yet again, after setting _every_ file association in WMP to default to WMP, and _de-selecting_ every association in MC. From what I've seen, a normal WMA or WMV stream will go to WMP. Both sites where I pay for content, however, automatically will open up in MC. The problem isn't in setting the associations--I've got 100% selected in WMP and no associations checked in MC. I've even cleaned up the registry between uninstalling and re-installing MC... and I've followed the exact procedure Omni described above.
Again, it seems that most WMA and WMV will open up in WMP. But my PAID content isn't working properly...
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Not that anybody else is following this issue ;) but I just wanted to post that the problem has disappeared since installing 10.0.49. Streams are working properly now.
I haven't seen a post from you here for a few days, Jim, so I don't know if you fixed something or if perhaps some minor glitch self-corrected on subsequent builds... but it seems fine with .49 and now .50.
Thanks!
-Mark
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I just want to point out that one year later this issue appears to still exist...
I just installed 10.0.173 in a laptop containing a fresh install on 98SE (its only a 233 libretto sub note).. Installed MC10 and during installation the association screen jumps past without being able to exert user contaol.
I could not see exactly which checkboxes were highlighted to associate (it flashes by fast) but there were some.
Sure looks like on a clean install MC10 still steal associations without asking.
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Sounds like you may have it set to autoinstall after 30 seconds. Or you're not choosing the "advanced" option. Try installing again and looking carefully at each option.
MC doesn't steal file associations.
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If I do a clean install of XP then install MC in Express mode, all types of files are associated with MC. As it should.
I do a custom install, and when first run, I have the chance to select the types of files to search for. This seems to set the associated file types.
After this 'clean-clean' install, I am able to install new versions of MC in express mode with no change to my file associations.
I do however occasionally see context menu items from MC in my right click menus. I never have selected that option. I can't reproduce this on demand, but it happens. Then, sometime later, the context menu items are gone again. Not a big deal as long as it is only a few and only occasionally. But odd.
Anyway, for things like this, it might be nice to be able to export settings for posting. I'd like to be able to see people's settings. I think that sometimes when trying to explain "set this and set that" it would be easier to post settings than to say "Click here check this box, etc".
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I do however occasionally see context menu items from MC in my right click menus.
You can uncheck the option for "shell integration" if you don't want that.
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Not advanced.. Normal default install...
What seems wierd is that on install there are perhaps 3 pages of options that all flash by without user interaction... Its on one of these pages that you dont have access to that assosiations are set..
I will dig on the little 98SE box and see which ones MC10 grabbed but it claimed to be associating some.. There is no media on this machine yet (I am hopping over to HK for a few days and a sub note is handy) its basically OS + web browser + email + AV + antispyware / anti trojan + MC10 so I need to check but it CLAIMED to be setting some...
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Without wanting to be cruel thats what was said last time :p !!
Not advanced.. Normal default install...
What seems wierd is that on install there are perhaps 3 pages of options that all flash by without user interaction... Its on one of these pages that you dont have access to that assosiations are set..
Nor do I wish to be rude. But you keep insisting that an 'express' install should pause and ask for options.
That wouldn't be very 'express', would it?
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Looks like on default install MC10 steals the following..
Audio playlist
AVI Video
JPEG Image
Media Playlist
Monkeys Audio
MPC Audio
MPEG Audio
MPEG Video
MusicEx Media
OGG Audio
TIFF Image
WAV Audio
Windows Media
Windows Media Audio
Windows Media Video
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Not advanced.. Normal default install...
What seems wierd is that on install there are perhaps 3 pages of options that all flash by without user interaction... Its on one of these pages that you dont have access to that assosiations are set..
You're choosing the express install. Take a CLOSER LOOK.
MC is not stealing file associations. On express installs it has to set some or a novice user will never see any files imported.
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I have taken a close look and I installed and chose to
Accept and install with standard options (recommended)
Nothing mentioned about express.. Nothing mentioned about stealing associations nothing mentioned about loosing control..
I suggest you LOOK CLOSER !!
It is my opionion that no application on 'standard' 'recommended' install should steal associations. Files can be browsed to and played and assositions set at any stage later. IMHO if you have to speed through an install 1) dont call it standard and recommended and 2) dont take any in default install mode.
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I have taken a close look and I installed and chose to
Accept and install with standard options (recommended)
You're advanced. Choose the OTHER option
(http://www.jriver.com/~jriver/misc/install.jpg)
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It is my opionion that no application on 'standard' 'recommended' install should steal associations. Files can be browsed to and played and assositions set at any stage later. IMHO if you have to speed through an install 1) dont call it standard and recommended and 2) dont take any in default install mode.
Your opinion is reasonable, but it is not in line with industry standards.
Advanced users generally have little trouble setting file associations. Many intermediate users are not comfortable with file associations. Novice users don't understand them at all. Therefore, the only way to prevent massive support headaches and customer heartaches is to set a few file associations on install.
Have a nice trip.
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Fair enough.. Its not a biggie I was reporting it cause it was my understanding that this had been changed from last time..
I also thought that being told to look closely and the definitive MC10 does not steal associations kinda funny after watching it do exactly that..