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Title: The debate over "the"
Post by: Keyth_Owen on January 28, 2004, 11:53:44 am
I'm sure this has been covered before, but I've been playing around with iTunes, and I noticed that it automatically IGNORES the word "The" before a band name, so they end up being alphabetized a little more accurately, and without having to use the "name, the" structure.  

If iTunes can do this, can Media Jukebox/Center?  This would be a very helpful feature.

Title: Re:The debate over "the"
Post by: Matt on January 28, 2004, 12:10:54 pm
It's there:

Options > Tree & View > Sorting > Ignore Articles
Title: Re:The debate over "the"
Post by: JimH on January 28, 2004, 12:39:11 pm
Someone pointed out that there is a band called "The The".  Removing "The" would be tough on them.
Title: Re:The debate over "the"
Post by: Skeet on January 28, 2004, 12:44:20 pm
Call them The The The  
;)
Title: Re:The debate over "the"
Post by: KingSparta on January 28, 2004, 01:01:32 pm
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Call them The The The

I seen a speech therapist when I was younger, it seems I had problems with my "S"'s (I still have the problem).

I have been Told If You Studder Put Ear Plugs In And This Helps.

The problem here is you then can't hear your music

Catch 22 I Guess
Title: Re:The debate over "the"
Post by: DJ_Hazelwood on January 28, 2004, 02:52:12 pm
Would be interesting if we can get a possibility to ignore other articles than "a", "an" and "the".

This would be very useful (especially for band-names in other languages).
Title: Re:The debate over "the"
Post by: Skeet on January 28, 2004, 04:24:49 pm
Actually it only ignores the articles when sorting. In the tree, the bands with "The" in the name still come under T. Am I missing something?
Title: Re:The debate over "the"
Post by: KingSparta on January 28, 2004, 04:49:45 pm
why don't you just move "The" to the end?

I have a plug-in that does this.
Title: Re:The debate over "the"
Post by: GHammer on January 28, 2004, 04:58:27 pm
It looks funny when playing then. Beatles, The indeed :)

why don't you just move "The" to the end?

I have a plug-in that does this.
Title: Re:The debate over "the"
Post by: Madcow on January 28, 2004, 05:43:27 pm
Not an MC problem, but it's amusing to note that the iPod (which ignores articles by default) files the band I Am Kloot under A.  Most odd.
Title: Re:The debate over "the"
Post by: KingSparta on January 28, 2004, 05:50:01 pm
Madcow

you from New York?

Or is that ManCow
Title: Re:The debate over "the"
Post by: Michel Lefebvre on January 29, 2004, 10:08:12 am
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It looks funny when playing then. Beatles, The indeed

That's why I've setup all my files like this:

[ARTIST] = The Beatles
[ALBUM ARTIST] = Beatles, The

This way, I can present any way I want.

Michel.
Title: Re:The debate over "the"
Post by: Uwe on January 29, 2004, 10:19:49 am
[ARTIST] = The The
[ALBUM ARTIST] = The, The
[ALBUM] = Mind Bomb

 ;D


Title: Re:The debate over "the"
Post by: Michel Lefebvre on January 29, 2004, 10:29:23 am
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[ARTIST] = The Beatles
[ALBUM ARTIST] = Beatles, The

This way, I can present any way I want.

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[ARTIST] = The The
[ALBUM ARTIST] = The, The
[ALBUM] = Mind Bomb


True.  ;) But if you turn off "disable articles" it works very nicely. Just create a view sorted by [artist] or [album] depending on how you prefer to see things.
Title: Re:The debate over "the"
Post by: Uwe on January 29, 2004, 10:38:24 am
yes i see ;)

OT: www.thethe.com There are some MP3s for listening...
Title: Re:The debate over "the"
Post by: Tom_Reiner on January 29, 2004, 11:41:53 am
What about French articles such as "La Boutine Souriante"?
Title: Re:The debate over "the"
Post by: Michel Lefebvre on January 29, 2004, 01:39:40 pm
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What about French articles such as "La Boutine Souriante"?

That's why I use both [album artist] and [artist fields in this way. There is simply too many different articles in different languages to be able to program them into MC.

BTW: I use the same method to solve the old "FirstName LastName vs. LastName, First Name Debate".
Title: Re:The debate over "the"
Post by: sdgrizdan on January 30, 2004, 12:19:06 pm
Actually it only ignores the articles when sorting. In the tree, the bands with "The" in the name still come under T. Am I missing something?

On my system, with 'The' ignored, the bands fall under their respective letters, NOT under 'T'.
Title: Re:The debate over "the"
Post by: Quisp on January 30, 2004, 01:45:27 pm
I also have a separate field called "sort" so I can sort "The Beatles" under "The Beetles". Works great.
Title: Re:The debate over "the"
Post by: KingSparta on January 30, 2004, 05:20:10 pm
So Much Talk about "The"

Have you noticed J river Comment about it?, No

Sounds like a donkey ride at the local town fair
Title: Re:The debate over "the"
Post by: Griff on January 30, 2004, 05:37:45 pm
"The" end  ;D
Title: Re:The debate over "the"
Post by: Michel Lefebvre on January 30, 2004, 06:38:11 pm
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"The" end  

"La" Fin.  LOL!

Michel.
Title: Re:The debate over "the"
Post by: digitaltrapper on February 01, 2004, 03:04:00 pm
Any other ways other than the one mentioned above to modify either the artist or album artist field to have an artist listed under their LAST name instead of their first? For example, I'd like to be able to see "Elliott Smith" Next to "Patti Smith" next to "The Smithereens" but I don't want so change the tags to that the last name is first as in "Smith, Elliott".