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Devices => Androids and other portables => Topic started by: SteveG on February 18, 2004, 05:06:31 pm
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Hello to all Nomad people,
The Nomad support in MC is in the process of major reworking and information is scattered in the MC build thread and other places. Lets try to centralize things here for a bit.
For tonight, there is a new plugin available but it is not on the website it can be downloaded from here......
http://www.musicex.com/mediacenter/mc_data/plugins/new/hh_nomadjukebox.mjp
Please test it out with tonight's buld of MC 10 and let me know the results. It has been modified to make synching and reporting much faster.
Thanks,
Steve
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Steve,
I will be testing it with great eagerness and furious optimism as soon as I get home tonight.
:D
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Hey Steve...
Doesn't seem to be working......
(I loaded your Nomad plugin as well)
http://www3.sympatico.ca/imjustagamer/BackToTheDrawingBoard.jpg
Media Center Registered 10.0.73 -- C:\Program Files\J River\Media Center\
Microsoft Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 1 (Build 2600)
Intel Pentium 4 1792 MHz MMX / Memory: Total - 1571 MB, Free - 1084 MB
Internet Explorer: 6.0.2800.1106 / ComCtl32.dll: 5.82 (xpsp1.020828-1920) / Shlwapi.dll: 6.00.2800.1400 / Shell32.dll: 6.00.2800.1233 (xpsp2.030604-1804) / wnaspi32.dll: 4.71 (0001) , ASPI for Win32 (95/NT) DLL, Copyright © 1989-2002 Adaptec, Inc. / Aspi32.sys: 4.71 (0001)
Ripping / Drive E: Copy mode:ModeSecure CD Type:Auto Read speed:Max
Drive F: Copy mode:Normal CD Type:Auto Read speed:Max
Digital playback: Yes / Use YADB: Yes / Get cover art: Yes / Calc replay gain: Yes / Copy volume: 32767
Eject after ripping: Yes / Play sound after ripping: Yes Soundfile: chord.wav
Burning / Drive E: PLEXTOR CD-R PREMIUM Addr: 1:0:0 Speed:52 MaxSpeed:52 BurnProof:Yes
Drive F: PLEXTOR DVDR PX-708A Addr: 1:1:0 Speed:40 MaxSpeed:40 BurnProof:Yes
Test mode: No / Eject after writing: Yes / Direct decoding: Yes / Write CD-Text: No
Use playback settings: No / Normalization: None
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I'm not sure, but I think that screen shot looks like what you'd get with an old plugin.
Maybe try reinstalling the new plugin again to see if it helps.
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Nope...
I installed the build (72) and the new plugin twice. I got the same results..
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ImJustAGamer,
I saw what you're seeing there a couple of builds ago.
I think I needed to completely delete everything on my Nomad (I upgraded firmware to the latest rev off the Creative site at the same time).
Now I see things the way they should be, but accessing my Nomad is hideously slow, and while it's trying to access the Nomad in the Drives & Devices tree, it is using between 60 and 70% of my CPU...
The Playlists column is the first column, but it contains nothing. I tried to delet 5 tracks from my Nomad, it it is faster to remove them using the Nomad's built in menu system!!
I have installed the latest plugin from this page...
BTW I am accessing my Nomad via Firewire
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Media Center Registered 10.0.73 -- C:\Program Files\J River\Media Center\
Microsoft Windows XP Workstation 5.1 Service Pack 1 (Build 2600)
AMD Athlon 1101 MHz MMX / Memory: Total - 392 MB, Free - 133 MB
Internet Explorer: 6.0.2800.1106 / ComCtl32.dll: 5.82 (xpsp1.020828-1920) / Shlwapi.dll: 6.00.2800.1276 / Shell32.dll: 6.00.2800.1233 (xpsp2.030604-1804) / wnaspi32.dll: N/A
Ripping / Drive E: Copy mode:Normal CD Type:Auto Read speed:Max
Drive F: Copy mode:Normal CD Type:Auto Read speed:Max
Drive G: Copy mode:Normal CD Type:Auto Read speed:Max
Drive H: Copy mode:Normal CD Type:Auto Read speed:Max
Drive I: Copy mode:Normal CD Type:Auto Read speed:Max
Drive J: Copy mode:Normal CD Type:Auto Read speed:Max
Drive K: Copy mode:Normal CD Type:Auto Read speed:Max
Drive L: Copy mode:Normal CD Type:Auto Read speed:Max
Digital playback: Yes / Use YADB: Yes / Get cover art: No / Calc replay gain: Yes / Copy volume: 32767
Eject after ripping: Yes / Play sound after ripping: No
Burning / Drive E: LITE-ON LTR-52327S Addr: 1:1:0 Speed:52 MaxSpeed:52 BurnProof:Yes
Test mode: No / Eject after writing: Yes / Direct decoding: Yes / Write CD-Text: No
Use playback settings: No / Normalization: None
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Now here's something interesting!
I just hooked my Nomad 3 up to another machine I have, this time by USB, and deleting files is actually almost bearable, although the "Deletion In Progress" dialog window is still there with a non-existent progress meter...
On this machine, however, while the track deletion is happening, MC's CPU use floats up and down anywhere from 80%-98%, and memory use is growing slowly again (watching a delete of 11 files), and memory use climbed to around 70Mb, before dropping to around 45-50Mb...
It does seem to get there in the end though, although further testing shows that it takes around 5 minutes to delete 22 tracks from my Nomad.
While the Nomad is hooked up via USB, the right-click options on the Nomad are now limited to "Format" which warns you about "formatting your memory", and then fails.
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Media Center Registered 10.0.73 -- C:\Program Files\J River\Media Center\
Microsoft Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 1 (Build 2600)
AMD Athlon 1837 MHz MMX / Memory: Total - 523 MB, Free - 136 MB
Internet Explorer: 6.0.2800.1106 / ComCtl32.dll: 5.82 (xpsp1.020828-1920) / Shlwapi.dll: 6.00.2800.1400 / Shell32.dll: 6.00.2800.1233 (xpsp2.030604-1804) / wnaspi32.dll: 4.60 (1021) , ASPI for Win32 (95/NT) DLL, Copyright © 1989-1999 Adaptec, Inc. / Aspi32.sys: 4.60 (1021)
Ripping / Drive E: Copy mode:Normal CD Type:Auto Read speed:Max
Drive F: Copy mode:Normal CD Type:Auto Read speed:Max
Digital playback: Yes / Use YADB: Yes / Get cover art: No / Calc replay gain: Yes / Copy volume: 32767
Eject after ripping: No / Play sound after ripping: No
Burning / Drive F: PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-106D Addr: 1:1:0 Speed:16 MaxSpeed:16 BurnProof:Yes
Test mode: No / Eject after writing: Yes / Direct decoding: Yes / Write CD-Text: No
Use playback settings: No / Normalization: None
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Everyone,
That link was linked to the wrong file yesterday, so you were testing with old code. Sorry. The link is now correct and the plugin page will be updated by midday.
Steve
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I still have exactly the same problem as with previous builds/plug-ins.
If I synchronise 'All music', MC10 starts running through the analysis screen and then shuts down after about 2-3 seconds.
Synchronising 'Recently imported -Imported today' causes an error message and MC10 closes down again.
Any ideas?
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It's actually as MC10 is running through the conversion process that the program crashes when trying to synch all music.
Also, MC10 is reporting the wrong free space on the zen xtra on the synch screen. Shows 60.1gb when I've only got 45gb left.
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I've done a bit more playing (apologies for the multiple messages), and it seems that it is the 'forced conversion during synch' that isn't working.
If I uncheck the forced conversion then it seems to work OK, but I'd like to be able to normalise the files during conversion if possible.
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Why would you want to Normalize?? If you want volume levelling isn't it better to use the one in EAX in the player?
Curious...
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Why would you want to Normalize?? If you want volume levelling isn't it better to use the one in EAX in the player?
I'm still on the learning curve with all this. I'll try with the EAX. Normalising through MC didn't seem to work all that well anyway.
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The volume control with EAX works great!!
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I tested this new plugin and it seems to work...
However I only tested it with a few files...
Oh and the double cycling thing,. Is still there.
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Hmmm...I just installed the proper Nomad plugin, and it doesn't seem any different. I'm still seeing large amounts of CPU and memory use, and a long time taken to delete a mere 12 tracks from my Nomad.
Retrieving the list of Nomad contents is definately faster, though.
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and a long time taken to delete a mere 12 tracks from my Nomad.
How long?
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Squanderbug,
I found and fixed a problem which would have caused issues with the conversions. It is on the MC side, not the plugin so you will have to wait for tomorrow's build for the fix.
Lunchmeat,
To confirm, it takes us way longer to delete 12 files than it takes with another application? The deletion progress empty bar is because Creative is not giving me any progress to show you. In regards to the memory use during this process, there is not a lot I am doing except calling Creative's deletion function with an ID for the file which I have stored.
Imjustagamer,
Can you elaborate on the 'double cycling' issue? When exactly are you seeing this? thanks.
Steve
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Hey Steve, After deleting files, it'll "Cycle" then goto a blanc screen, and cycle again,
Afterupload it will do the same thing,
After searching, it will Cycle once.
If you want I can try and get 2 screen shots?
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I just installed build 10.0.74 of MC, and still have V 9.0.34 of Nomad plugin. Now transfer times, and delete times are fantastic compared to what they were. This is using the Firewire connection.
I transferred two albums, 27 songs, 88.9mb to Nomad in around 1.5 minutes, and deleted same from Nomad in 20-30 secs.
Very good work chaps!!
The only thing I noticed was that the progress bar when transferring TO the Nomad is kinda ballsed up! It doesn't seem to reflect how far it's actually got, and started drawing again from the left side while it was only about 40% across its width. This happened at about 90% thru the transfer.
Thank you!
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imjustagamer,
The double cycle is fixed tonight.
Lunchmeat,
Can you elaborate on the progress, because I cannot duplicate this. Are you doing synching or drag and dropping the files? Are you doing on the fly conversion? If so, the AW will reflect the current batch of 10 files transferring progress while the conversion dialogue will reflect the overall conversion process.
Thanks,
Steve
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imjustagamer,
The double cycle is fixed tonight.
Thanks,
Steve
Thanks alot Steve, I was beginning to think my eyes were messing with me....
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Everyone,
The new plugin with the double cycling fix is here.......
http://www.musicex.com/mediacenter/mc_data/plugins/new/hh_nomadjukebox.mjp
Steve
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Excellent Steve, Thanks.....
However, Now when your deleting tracks it try's to put everything that your deleting in the message box.
Please see http://www3.sympatico.ca/imjustagamer/del.bmp
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Sorry Steve,
I am merely clicking on the Nomad in the tree and then selecting multiple files, and hitting the delete key to clean off my Nomad.
I use drag & drop to queue files up for transfer to the Nomad.
It was wierd, as I said the 74 build of MC when applied with the already installed 9.0.34 Nomad plugin just seemed to take off beautifully.
I'm not doing any conversions or anything...
I have just installed the 10.0.75 of MC, and your latest Nomad plugin, and it seems even better performance wise. It also doesn't seem to be consuming as much CPU and memory (according to Task Manager) as previously on my machine.
Many thanks!
Hey 'Gamer! Using BMPs on the web is bad karma dude! They're just too darn big! Try converting it to JPG or GIF before plonking it up on the net, you see, poor sucks like me still have dial-up (can't get me no broadband!), and BMP take ages to download (I gave up after about 2 minutes and it was only 20% thru!!) Cheers
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The new plug in works much better. I deleated all my files (11086, to be exact) from my Zen, which took 3 hrs total. Then imported them back into the unit using the "send to' option. this took slightly over 8 hrs. Very similar to the time it atook using the program that came with the unit (creative mediasource). However, still having some concerns regarding the sync thing...but maybe I'm just going at it in the wrong way. Added new album and instead of sending it to the Zen, did a sync files from the dropdown. At first it was going great, then it began to sync the playlist ( I only had one, all tracks...which is the same as the one on the Zen. I gave up after 2 1/2 hrs. Stopped the operation and checked both Pc and Zen. My playlist on the Zen had disappeared and a new one (smartlist, all music) had appeared, but with only 1800 tracks! Did i do something out of order? Or is an all track playlist just not feasible?
Media Center Registered 10.0.75 -- H:\j. river\
Microsoft Windows XP Workstation 5.1 Service Pack 1 (Build 2600)
Intel Pentium 4 2520 MHz MMX / Memory: Total - 1048 MB, Free - 618 MB
Internet Explorer: 6.0.2800.1106 / ComCtl32.dll: 5.82 (xpsp1.020828-1920) / Shlwapi.dll: 6.00.2800.1400 / Shell32.dll: 6.00.2800.1233 (xpsp2.030604-1804) / wnaspi32.dll: N/A
Ripping / Drive F: Copy mode:Normal CD Type:Auto Read speed:8
Drive G: Copy mode:Normal CD Type:Auto Read speed:Max
Digital playback: Yes / Use YADB: Yes / Get cover art: Yes / Calc replay gain: Yes / Copy volume: 32112
Eject after ripping: Yes / Play sound after ripping: No
Burning / Drive F: PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-104 Addr: 3:0:0 Speed:8 MaxSpeed:8 BurnProof:Yes
Test mode: No / Eject after writing: Yes / Direct decoding: Yes / Write CD-Text: No
Use playback settings: No / Normalization: None
:o
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imjustagamer,
Thanks. This was fixed Friday after I lost the ability to post it. It will be resolved on Monday.
Lunchmeat,
To summarize, you are seeing the progress bar misbehave when you are drag and dropping even a small number (27?) of files and then uploading without doing file conversion. I have been unable to duplicate this, but will try again. Anyone else seeing this?
bebop,
The problem is that with synchronization, all playlists are currently deleted and then recreated. This was changed to conform with the way all other players are working. Unfortunately, this is a very slow process on the Nomad. I will craft a way on Monday to make this less painful.
Steve
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imjustagamer,
Thanks. This was fixed Friday after I lost the ability to post it. It will be resolved on Monday.
Steve
Thanks Steve,
Do they not let you guys off on the weekend??
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Thanks Steve, will check back on Monday! B
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Steve,
The issue with the progress bar seems fine now. I will do more testing tonight to see if anything changes.
Thanks again!
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bebop,
Tonight's MC will have a synchronization check box which will allow you to opt out of synchronizing the playlist data, meaning the destruction and reconstruction of the playlists. If you do not want to wait for the reconstruction of playlists after a synch, deselect this option. The downside of this, is playlists will not be updated, the upside is it will be much faster.
Steve
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Thanks Steve, will give it a try. The playlists seem to be the problem. So this should fix things. Also, I can't seem to make a playlist for the Nomad in the droplist under Drives & Devices... maybe I am doing something wrong here...I select made a playlist using the 'add playlist", then selected the music (in the Zen window) and tried "add to playlist"... and nothing happened. Am I missing a step? Thanks B
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B,
No, this wasn't working in the last build. Should be tonight.
Steve
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The new Nomad Plugin is not available from the plugins page yet, but you can get it here...
http://www.musicex.com/mediacenter/mc_data/plugins/new/hh_nomadjukebox.mjp
PS it is version 9.0.36
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Hi Steve, The delete box is showing better, Thanks...
However, The upload box data just doesn't look right. Please take a look at the status bar in the pic.
And another However... Things are starting to work a lot quicker!!
Thanks for all the work!
http://www3.sympatico.ca/imjustagamer/upload.jpg
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Hi, I really like how this plug-in is shaping up, but over the last couple of builds the option to overwrite files has seemed to disappear. This is important for me because sometimes I throw some tracks on before I mp3gain them and then replace them when I get a chance to analyze them. If I am missing something any help would be great, but I am doing nothing differently.
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Thanks Steve, this is much better now that I can opt out of having the playlists synced! Still having problems with the playlist, though...it lets me make the list, then hangs when I try to add tracks. B
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imjustagamer,
I cannot duplicate the upload data problem. Please confirm the following...
1) You are not synching, you are drag and dropping the files.
2) How many files are you sending when it is screwed up?
3) When does the bar get off (after approximately how many files)?
4) You are not doing file conversion on the fly.
king896,
The plugin has grown much smarter about comparing what is on the player and what needs to be sent. When you mp3gain the file, no tag information changes and so we do not send the file does not get sent again. This negatively affects your situation, but positively affects the overall interaction of the Nomad and MC. You will need to delete the files from Nomad. Sorry.
bebop,
Can you clarify where the problem lies? Are you saying you synch a playlist. Add files to the playlist in MC and then MC hangs when you resynch? If you have the 'Add Playlist Data' box unchecked, is it hanging during the file transfer or where?
Thanks.
Steve
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imjustagamer,
I cannot duplicate the upload data problem. Please confirm the following...
1) You are not synching, you are drag and dropping the files.
2) How many files are you sending when it is screwed up?
3) When does the bar get off (after approximately how many files)?
4) You are not doing file conversion on the fly.
Steve
Thanks Steve,
1) No, Dragging and Dropping
2) Any number, have tried 5 and 10
3) (?? That's kinda personal... ;D Couldn't resist) The bar just stays at 2 bars and thats it.
4) Nope, Already converted files.
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imjustagamer,
HA. I snorted at #3.
When I send 5 files all is fine and the bar progresses correctly. What player do you have, what OS? How big are the files (if it isn't too personal ;) ) ? What file type are the files?
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imjustagamer,
HA. I snorted at #3.
When I send 5 files all is fine and the bar progresses correctly. What player do you have, what OS? How big are the files (if it isn't too personal ;) ) ? What file type are the files?
I have Nomad Jukebox 3, Latest firmware, 1.40.06p
Around 5 meg each, Mp3 VBR Normal/Low (about 130 kbps)
The status bar was fine on the prior Plugin, Maybe something didn't copy over propperly, I'll reinstall the plugin and give it another try when I get home from work...
Yes, I am supposed to be working... 8)
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Steve, here it is in a nutshell...on the tree, under drives & Devices - selected Nomad Jukebox. Selected add Playlist. Named playlist. Then went back to main tree..list was there. Then selected Nomad Jukebox. hilighted all tracks ('cause my favorite and only playlist, that i use is all tracks, played randomly) selected "add to playlist'... and waited, and waited, and waited. After two hours i gave up. Clicking anywhere was sueless..I was locked up good and tight. I had to try six times to get task manager to show up. So, thought of the obvious...maybe hadn't installed quite right, so uninstalled, made sure that all virus scanners, firewalls, and misc. was disabled and re-installed. Checked the list...and there was the playlist, so clicked on it and there were files ther...but only 900. So, tried using a much a smaller playlist. This worked in a timely fashion. So tried again using the monster list....and same problem. This function takes about 2 minutes using the creative mediasource program . So am I doing something wrong here? B
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imjustagamer,
If you can try again with tonight's plugin, that would be great. I can't see any problems here with 5 VBR files of 5MB each.
bebop,
I made a bunch of changes to speed up the adding to playlist code and also provided some messaging to show you what is going on. I think this will take care of your issue. Please get tonight's build of the Plugin when it is available. It will be v 9.0.37.
Steve
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Thanks Steve. Looking forward to it! Keep up the great work! B
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Any Idea when the new plugin will be out? Or is it the one at the top of this thread?
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I've just done some testing with MC V 10.0.77, and Nomad plugin V 9.0.36 (which was the version which was downloaded by clicking the link in this thread).
It seems to perform very nicely still. Memory usage and CPU were the sort of thing I would expect, and time taken to transfer to the Nomad, using Drag & Drop on the AW, or Send To menu, were quite acceptable.
The progress bar in the AW seems to have a mind of it's own, however, and doesn't seem to bear any relationship with what's happening with the transfer. ie. it starts being redrawn at apparently random intervals. I'm not sure whether it's supposed to be showing the progress of each track (which it doesn't), or the progress of the transfer as a whole (which it also doesn't).
Deleting tracks from the Nomad seems significatly faster than the last build I tried.
It's getting better all the time...
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Now, this is wierd!
Re: My previous thread's reference to the progress bar with the mind of its own...
I've just done two lots of transfers, and the progress bar seems to behave perfectly normally (ie. it shows the progress of the transfer as a whole).
At first I thought it might have been because I usually transfer multiple complete albums over, sa this time I transferred a single album, but I just checked it again with multiple albums, and it worked perfectly.
Maybe I better check where those mushrooms came from that we had with our dinner...
BTW I have just done some testing on my other machine via USB, and it's even faster!
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Hey Steve,
I am at home all day today!!
Well here is the testing results.
Deleting Tracks, All is great until the deleting is finished, Ir cycles the track #'s, then all of the tracks disapear, and then it cycles again, then all is ok... It does this everytime I delete anything.
Loading tracks, This seems to be good and fast... The status bar is a wee bit weird.
Starts off blanc, and when a track uploads the status bar goes up a bit, then when the nest track starts to upload the status bar goes back to empty. However you do not have double cycling here.
Uploading tracks that are already there: Looks like it's gonna do something, then just cycles through the tracks and display's them, Does not ask wether to skip duplicates or re write. (Used to do this?)
Synching Files, This is kind of confusing as it only asks you to sync Recently Played, Task - Possible Duplicates, Top Hits.
This should also have a All Library check.
Other then that it works very well...
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Just as an aside, what should synchronise actually do?
For example, if I synchronise a 'recently imported' playlist with new files, then it acts the same as dragging the files to the hand held and transferring them that way, except the playlist is also created on the Zen.
However, what does it do with existing files? I'd like to use synch 'all music' to allow the Zen to reflect any tag changes I made in MC. i.e. The file would remain the same, but the tags would update on the player. However, when I tried this, I found I had some duplicate files. I must admit I didn't let the synch run the whole way through as I din't have the time to wait for it, and the plug-in has been updated since, so it might have changed.
So, if synch encounters an existing file what does it do?, and then if it encounters that same file with tag changes what does it do?
Sorry if I haven't explained this very well.
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Everyone,
The plugin to use right now is 9.0.37 and is available from the MC 10 plugin page.
Lunchmeat,
Stay out of the mushrooms and please let me know if you see any more progress bar issues.
imjustagamer,
The double cycle on delete is removed in tonight's MC build. The problem was in MC, not the plugin.
I added something to the next plugin (what will be 9.0.38) that I hope fixes the progress for you.
In regards to the duplicates, one of the major changes of late is that MC checks for duplicates before ever sending anything to Nomad. If duplicates exist, MC does not send them to speed everything up. If any changes occur to the Album, Artist, Genre, Name or Track number tag, the old files will be deleted and then resent.
Synching will allow you to sync any playlists you have. You could create an 'All Music' smartilsit/playlist and that would do what you want. I will add a checkbox to send all files. There used to be one, but it was confusing for some so I removed it.
Squanderbug,
Synchronizing functions the same as dragging the files but it adds the ability to send organized groups of files (i.e. playlists/smartlists) and to group those files on the Handheld and the ability to remove files on the handheld that are not selected. If you upload or synch files that are already on the Nomad, it will not resend them if the Artist, Album, Genre, Name and Tracknumber are the same. If any of these fields change, if you are drag and dropping, the file will be resent. If you are synchronizing and you have 'Delete unselected files checked', files with different information will be removed from the portable. In both drag and drop and Synchronization, if you change a tag such as 'Composer','Comment', or 'Rating' (if your player supports these fields) and the file already exists on the Portable, the file will be removed and resent.
I hope that helps.
Steve
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Thanks Steve, I will be awaiting this with open arms.
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Everyone,
The new plugin is not available from the plugin page, but you can get it here......
http://www.musicex.com/mediacenter/mc_data/plugins/new/hh_nomadjukebox.mjp
It is version 9.0.38.
Please use it with the new MC build which will be available in the next half hour.
Tonight's MC includes a feature that may be helpful for many of you. In the synchronization dialogue, there is now a check box to 'Send all files'. Use this if you want to send all your MC files but have no interest in Playlists and the speed slowdown that they cause.
Steve
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Hi Steve, I'm sorry I think that you mis understood me, I was being a smart a**
What I said:
Oh ya, the syncing speed you were talking about, you know the being slow if syncing all files, Man if that is slow....
What I meant by that is, if you think that is slow, I would love to see what you call fast.
I did a sync all files and to me it was very fast...
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I have the same problem with seeing the playlist, but it really nothing compared to how great this plugin is now. This plugin has become so much smarter since media jukebox 8, its not even funny. Because of this i am willing to upgrade to version 10, thanks!
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Thanks Steve, this has fixed many small problems with the sync process and building playlists. They sare still rather slow, but at least tolerable! :D B
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Everyone,
Tonight's MC and Plugin should resolve the remaining progress bar issue and the sync dialogue flaw.
Bebop and imjustagamer,
The slowness you refer to is specifically with the addition of files to playlists after the file sync, correct? In a sync it is necessary to remove the playlists and recreate them based on what is available after the sync of the files to respect the playlist ordering. Unfortunately, the addition of files to playlsits takes a relatively long time on Nomad. Please correct me if you are referring to slowness other than in this step.
Thanks,
Steve
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Steve, that's right...the sync itself is great, as long as there are no playlists checked. Adding playlists is still a pain, but not as big of a pain! Since this is the only drawback, I will continue to use the porgram as is and if I really need to change the playlist I can do it overnight. thanks for all the good work, and with this being my first experience with a forum help line, you all have made it a good one! Thanks again B ;D
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Everyone,
Prior to the latest round of new plugins, MJ/MC would upload each track to Nomad and then add each track to the appropriate playlist(s). The amount of time it took to add each track to a playlist was built into the upload time. Now, the uploads should be faster, but the time saved in adding files to playlists is shiftet (optionally) to the end of the sync process.
Steve
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With tonight's build, please get the newest plugin (v. 9.0.39) which will be available from the plugins page in 30 minutes. Do not use the link in this thread.
Thanks.
Steve
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All of my issues are resolved.. Thanks Steve...
Just because I'm nit picking... Any chance of haveing a status bar for deleting? I deleted my Library (4200) files and had no idea how long it had to go...
I'm syncing about 4200 files now and am getting a speed of 3.96mb/s, I'm using a playlist sync. (1:10 min) seems a pretty decent time!!
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Hey Steve, I have noticed that the speed of the transfer has dropped slightly to 3.45 after about 2300 files...
Any idea why?
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With tonight's build, please get the newest plugin (v. 9.0.39) which will be available from the plugins page in 30 minutes. Do not use the link in this thread.
Thanks.
Steve
I was having a problem locating this but it appears the link on the plugin page although downloading the .39 version refers to an earlier one!
Can this be fixed to save further confusion?
Thanks.
David
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imjustagamer,
Status info for delete is in tonight. I can't explain the speed drop, I think it is firmware related. Thanks for your requests.
DJMUK,
I will make sure the plugin page gets straightened out with tonight's build.
Thanks,
Steve
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Man you guys are good....
Thanks,
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Everyone,
New MC and plugin (9.0.40) are available. The plugin is available from the plugins page.
Have a good weekend all.
Steve
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Steve, Buddy...Pal...
I am trying my hardest, but I cannot seem to find any problems with this plugin.
I mean the sync is flawless, deleting WITH a status bar is amazing...
Now if you could only get rid of the need to Cycle (lack of a better term) through the nomad...
Good Work, 2 thumbs up!
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Now here's something odd...
I uploaded a whole bunch of songs to my Nomad using MC / Nomad Plugin.
I went to me mum's place, and went to copy some of the songs off it to her new PC. She doesn't run MC, so I installed the Creative File Manager software (like Explorer for your Nomad).
In Creative File Manager, I could see a bunch of files which were copied to the Nomad using Creative Media Source a couple of weeks ago (when the MC Nomad plugin was pretty well cactus). I could not, however, see the files in my Nomad which were copied there using MC.
When I got home, I find that I can see all the files that were copied to the Nomad in MC again, but can't see the ones copied using CFM. I can only see these files in my Nomad using a Creative product.
What's the story here, then? Are the two pieces of software putting the tracks into a different "tank" within the Nomad, which can only be "viewed" by the software which originally copied it there?
Any ideas, O Nomad wizards?
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I just did a test, I cannot see a music file in cfm when imported with MediaSource or MC.
I can however load a file and extract a file using cfm....
Sorry I'm not of any help.
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Steve, have the newest build and pluginand still have the small problem of playlists being so slow to create on the zen...could this be my machine as no one else seems to find it slow, it took eight hours to make an "all Tracks" playlist of 11,120 tracks. This same operation takes less than a minute using Creative MediaSource. So there's no confusion as to what I'm doing...I select Nomad Zen on the tree...then playlists...make a playlist...name playlist...then move back up to Nomad Zen....click on it, it cycles thru and then up pops the list of tracks on the Zen...choose select all...select "add to playlist" check playlist I just made ....and the waiting begins. This didn't happen when I made a similar playlist in MC...that was supurbly fast! The same slowness happens if I completely empty the Zen and start afresh ( tried a reformat of the Zen as I thought it might help and certainly couldn't hurt...I had the time), I realize that I can keep switching back to CMS to make the playlists...but I was really hoping not to as MC is a far superior product in all aspects but this.
Media Center Registered 10.0.83 -- H:\j. river\
Microsoft Windows XP Workstation 5.1 Service Pack 1 (Build 2600)
Intel Pentium 4 2515 MHz MMX / Memory: Total - 1048 MB, Free - 660 MB
Internet Explorer: 6.0.2800.1106 / ComCtl32.dll: 5.82 (xpsp1.020828-1920) / Shlwapi.dll: 6.00.2800.1400 / Shell32.dll: 6.00.2800.1233 (xpsp2.030604-1804) / wnaspi32.dll: N/A
Ripping / Drive F: Mode:Normal Type:Auto Speed:Max
Drive G: Mode:Normal Type:Auto Speed:Max
Digital playback: Yes / Use YADB: Yes / Get cover art: No / Calc replay gain: Yes / Copy volume: 32767
Eject after ripping: No / Play sound after ripping: No
Burning / Drive F: ATAPI DVD DUAL 8X4X12 Addr: 3:0:0 Speed:24 MaxSpeed:24 BurnProof:Yes
Drive G: SONY CD-RW CRX230E Addr: 3:1:0 Speed:52 MaxSpeed:52 BurnProof:Yes
Test mode: No / Eject after writing: Yes / Direct decoding: Yes / Write CD-Text: No
Use playback settings: No / Normalization: None
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BeBop, just curious, why do you want to make an "all tracks" playlist?
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I use "all tracks" on the Zen 'cause that way I never have to listen to the same song twice and with a random mode, I always have an interesting mix of tunes...i't just a quirk of mine...have a lot of tunes in alot of types of music, moods etc. Guess years of driving the kids around and hearing the same tunes over and over, and over again has made me a tad rebellious!
I can't get the zen to do a random play without making a playlist... could do it with the Jukebox 2 but not this zen ( a 60gig usb 2) if anyone can tell me how to get around this i'd welcome the help! I just don't see much on the creative site, either on how to do this. ;D
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bebop,
I will look at this again tomorrow when I am at JRiver.
Lunchmeat,
I lost track of your last post. I will add more tomorrow.
Steve
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thanks, Steve, will be looking forward to seeing what you can come up with. Will check back on Sunday--going over to the mainland for the weekend! B :)
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BeBob, ahhh, so there's method behind the madness. ;D I have an Xtra, so can't speak to the USB2, though it seems a little strange. If you want to investigate further, check out the forums at www.nomadness.net, the most active Jukebox/Zen forums on the net AKAIK, and very helpful folks.
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Everyone,
Tonight there will be a new Nomad plugin (v. 9.0.41) which I think will resolve the slow playlist addition issues. I implemented some newer code from Creative which I think will resolve the issue.
Lunchmeat,
I can go back and forth between Creative File Manager and MC without issue. If you still have the problem, what version of Media Source do you have installed?
Steve
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Steve,
I currently have
V 9.0.41 of the MC Nomad Plugin
V 1.40.06p of Nomad 3 firmware
V 1.01.85 of Creative Media Source
V 2.00.35 Of Creative File Manager
I will do some more testing soon and append results to this post...
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Is it possible to have MC create playlists on the Jukebox without putting the playlist path in brackets after the title? I ran into problems with a playlist whose path was too long, and ended up having to format the drive in order to be able to boot it up again... :(
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Yeah!!! Success, I am a happy, happy lady!!! The new playlist works like a charm!!! Even faster than Creative MediaSource! Great work...now I can get rid of all those extraneous programs that only did half the job!!! You now have a customer for life!!! Thanks again for all the hard work. ;D
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Lunchmeat,
Thanks. If you can update me on your testing, I will try with your versions to replicate what you reported.
Epf,
What problems did you run into? Is it repeatable? I just tested synching a playlist with 200 characters in the name and did not have any issues.
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Hi SteveG - I don't know if this is going to be an issue now, because it was a problem with version 9.0.40. I got the latest version, but by that time I had changed all the lengths of the playlist names. However if you want I can change them back to see if it still happens. With the new plugin, I've encountered a different problem; before I describe it I just want to say that the new plugin is GREAT - I couldn't believe how fast it went through the process of creating the playlists! It makes the whole MC + Jukebox a fantastic package. But it did a strange thing yesterday - it seemed to go throught the upload and playlist creation process no problem, but then some of the playlists were empty. I checked in MC and they weren't empty. It seemed as though it was related to how many tracks in the list - when I changed one list to a lower count it went up fine. However, the same thing happened with other lists whose count was lower than the one I experimented with ?
To follow up on your question, the original problem I had was that with a Smartlist whose tree path was pretty long, I got a pagefile error when it was creating the playlists on the Nomad. The result, when checked with Notmad Explorer, was that the playlist had been created around 500 times, each with no tracks in it. Neither Notmad nor MC could delete the playlists, and the player wouldn't boot past the startup screen, so I had to format it. (Subsequently I think it might have booted up, if I had left it long enough, but at the time I thought it had crashed). The problem was repeatable. I tried it once while keeping an eye on the Task Manager performance screen, and watched the pagefile usage steadily increase until I got the error.
Hope this is helpful. Thanks for all the work!
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EpF,
Do you have 'Send Playlist Data' checked in the Sync dialogue? If so, when you resync, are the same playlists empty? If so, what is an example of one?
In regards to the playlist lengths, if you see the problem again, let me know and I will make whatever modifications necessary.
Thanks for your positive feedback.
Steve
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Steve - I do have 'Send Playlist Data' checked, and the same playlists remain empty. An example of a playlist that isn't working is a smartlist with the following parameters:
[Keywords]=[Cover Version] [Rating]=>=3 ~nodup=[Name],[Artist],[Album] -[File Type]=[cda]
There are others that won't work based on a custom field called 'Season', but the one above just uses MC fields... The list has 132 files in it.
Thanks
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Epf,
In that example, are the files at least on Nomad? If so, what is the actual name of the playlist (not just the rules)? A;so, how many files are in the playlist?
Thanks,
Steve
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Steve -
Here's one for ya! In response to your question, I deleted all the files on the Jukebox, then I synched ONLY the list we've been discussing (which is called 'Covers', by the way). It transferred all the files and created the playlist name, but no entries. ?
The path to the playlist is as follows:
Playlists\M Y L I S T S\+ Nomad +\Genres\Covers
I use spaces and the '+' sign to help me differentiate playlist groups visually. It hasn't had an adverse affect on other lists in the same tree, which transfer perfectly. The final playlist name on the Jukebox ends up as:
Covers (M Y L I S T S-+ Nomad +-Genres-Covers)
But no files! (There are 132 files in the original playlist, and all of them were transferred).
Hope this helps...
Thanks.
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Hi Steve. I was playing around with the plugin and was wondering if it would be possible for you to allow us to pick a view scheme as a folder to sync, Instead of a playlist?
Would be really cool...
Thanks,
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Sorry, 1 other small request....
When it says "Found duplicates" and it asks you what to do, It'd be nice if it would tell you what track it was....
Thanks,
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I am used to Creative MediaSource for synchronizing and am quite confused as to what this plugin is supposed to do.
1. is it supposed to be able to synchronize the files in J River with my Jukebox Zen Xtra? I want it to add the files which is in J River but not in the jukebox and delete files which is on the jukebox but not in J River.
My attempts have all failed quite miserable, and I really don't have a clue what the plugin does. Do I need to empty my jukebox first to ensure JRiver can figure out to synchronize or should it be able to handle files placed there by Creative MediaSource?
2. Will it synch ALL files, or can you tell it to not synchronize all my video files?
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EpF,
I am pretty sure the problem is that Nomad doesn't handle long playlist names very well. I will look more into this soon.
Imjustagamer,
The idea for the view scheme as a folder can be added, but not now. In regards to "Found duplicates", it should give you a filepath. Are you not seeing this?
Djon,
1) To add files from MC to Zen and delete files on Zen that are not selected for synchronization, select your files to send (either by playlist or all files) and then check the box for 'Delete files not selected'. MC should handle files placed on Zen with Media Source without problems.
2) All files will sync all files. If you do not want video to go, create a playlist and sync that way.
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Hi Steve,
No I am not seeing the path... I just get a box asking what to do, Skip , rewrite etc...
I'm not at home, When I get home I can get you a screen shot.
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Hi Steve,
I reinstalled the plugin and when it finds dups, it doesn't say were please see the attached pic
http://www3.sympatico.ca/imjustagamer/duperror.JPG
Oh, And about the syncing to the view scheme, I wasn't thinking, I could create a smartlis tto do the same thing... Did that and I can sync to that....
This is truly amazing for Nomads...
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Steve -
That's what I thought, which goes back to my original question:
Is it possible to have MC create playlists on the Jukebox without putting the playlist path in brackets after the title?
It would be great to be able to prevent the plugin from naming the playlist with the path, because on the jukebox, the screen is so small that you can never read it all, and personally that information is of no use to me - I know what my playlist titles represent. I wonder if anyone finds this useful...
Any chance of a checkbox on the synch dialogue to turn this feature off? :)
Thanks for your help
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Steve,
Sorry to take so long getting back here...been kinda busy.
Well, I just tried again with my Nomad 3. I dunno what's going on, as I have the same version of the plugin (9.0.41 - although I DID re-install it), and have updated MC to 10.0.88, and now I can see files transferred with MC in CMS.
I still can't however, see the files in Creative File Manager. In fact, I see an empty window when I fire up CFM.
This doesn't overly bother me, as I wouldn't normally use CFM anyway, as it is a piece of crapola.
Everything seems fine, although during transfer, I did notice that the progress meter was wacky again. It didn't seem to have any relationship to what was happening.
One thing about that though, my server machine (where I'm transferring to the Nomad) has no monitor, and I use Ultra-VNC to remote control this box. I thought maybe poor screen refresh or something made the progres meter appear strange, but I just tested on my machine WITH a directly connected monitor, and the results were kinda odd.
If I transferred ONE album (12 tracks) to my Nomad, the progress meter looked perfect. I then transferred 92 tracks to the Nomad, and the progress meter went back to it's earlier strange behaviour.
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Wierder Still!
I just noticed that on subsequent transfers the progress meter seems to work fine. It only seems to get confused on the first transfer in a MC session. Maybe it's not sensing the width of the left hand pane properly or something?
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Lunchmeat,
Tonight's plugin and latest MC should fix the progress issues which were revamped in Friday's MC as they relate to doing file conversions of more than 10 files.
EpF,
Tonight's plugin will truncate playlists of over 50 characters to resolve your issue.
Steve
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4 Issues:
1. I want Media Center to stop making my Zen display artist info as "miltiple artists." Prior to using media center 10, the artist on my zen would display the actual artist. now it displays "multiple artists" even though the files have NOT been re-uploaded to the zen. What settings prevents the use of "multiple artists?"
2. My playlists on the Zen are empty. I do not use spaces in the name of the playlists and all the names are under 10 characters long. Names used that have resulted in empty playlists are Mix01, Main. The playlists are still empty.
3. During zync operations, media center deletes playlists that existed only on the zen and not on media center, thus forcing the zen to have only the playlists that exist in media center. how do I prevent this happening again?
4. How do I prevent mc from re-reading the zen contents when I simply right-click on the device name (left pane) to get the menu? case: I want to right-click on the left pane zen entry to select the sync files menu option, but I have to wait right now until mc re-reads the zen to display all its contents even though I right-clicked and not left clicked
Assume that I have all of the latest drivers, media center versioin and zen plugin verion as well as all updates to oerating system (windowsxp pro) as of the date and time of this post. I downloaded everything less than 20 minutes prior to posting using the links supplied here and on the main board.
Issue 5: deleting files from the zen crashes media center. deleting files from the zen using other applications works fine
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Everyone,
The plugin I referred to on Monday never got posted. If it does not go up later this afternoon, look for it tomorrow. It will be version 9.0.42.
ZenUser,
Please confirm that you have version 9.0.42 of the plugin and MC 10.0.93. 'Multiple Artists' has been disabled for a while and should only be 'Artist'.
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Steve -
I still have the problem that empty playlists are being created. I'm using the latest (.42) plugin and MC 10.0.93... Could it be one of my files? It's the same lists, and apart from the titles, they share the same parameters as other lists which transfer perfectly...
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EpF,
Are you seeing warnings about multiple files with duplicate information prior to the transfer?
Steve
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I can confirm the problem with empty playlists. 12 of my 27 playlists are empty. They are all smartlists.
Dom
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I tried to narrow down the reason for the empty playlists. It has nothing todo with the type of the playlist. But I found an example of songs that keep causing the problem. Whenever I add the following songs, the playlists end up empty on my Jukebox.
Both of following songs are causing problems:
|Name|Artist|Album|Rating|Genre|Track #|Duration|Bitrate|File Type|Date (year)|Filename|
|Air Chair|Beth Quist|MAGNATUNECOM World Music - Indian, Celtic, Arabic, Baltic, Tango & more - June 2003|5|World||6:52|128|mp3||G:\mp3\MP3 Library\MP3 - CD07 - WorldMusic\MAGNATUNECOM World Music - Indian, Celtic, Arabic, Baltic, Tango & more - June 2003\Beth Quist - Air Chair.mp3|
|Toccata and Fugue in D minor|Bach by Conrad Kleige (Organ)||5|Classical|32|9:22|160|mp3|2000|G:\mp3\MP3 Library\MP3 - CD16 - Classical\Best of Classical 1\Bach - Conrad Kleiger, Organ (AWESOME (1).mp3|
I think it has to do with the lenght of the album name. Whenver the album lenght exceeds a certain number of characters the whole playlists ends up empty. Is that possible?
I also found that the main problem that those songs are not transferred in the first place. When I manually transferred the songs with the Nomad software. After that it started working.
I see follwing problems
1) For some reasons the some songs are not transferred. The songs are listed above
2) If songs are not transferred, the playlist is not populated (error handling code, I assume)
So if case 1) is not solved, why not at least fix point 2) that we at least get the songs are already on the jukebox.
I hope this helps.
Thanks
Dom
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Dom,
Can you email me one of those files?
steve @ jriver.com
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Dom,
Thanks for the file. That helped alot. The problem is fixed and will be posted Monday.
Steve
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Please confirm that you have version 9.0.42 of the plugin and MC 10.0.93. 'Multiple Artists' has been disabled for a while and should only be 'Artist'.
Does this mean that we no longer have the ability to choose to designate MC's "Album Artist (auto)" field as the field to be transferred to the Zen's "Artist" field? I really really liked that (keeps one-track artists off of the Zen's artist list).
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Everyone,
The fix regarding the playlists is now available as Plugin 9.0.43.
Nolonemo,
Yes. This change was a sacrifice that was made to make the overall synchronization much more intelligent and efficient.
Steve
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Everyone,
The fix regarding the playlists is now available as Plugin 9.0.43.
Nolonemo,
Yes. This change was a sacrifice that was made to make the overall synchronization much more intelligent and efficient.
Steve
Steve, IMO, that is a move in the wrong direction. Since I have a lot of compilations, if I update the plugin, I will end up with an artist list that is easily twice, if not three times the present length. Since I have a 60GB jukebox, that effectively means that scrolling through artists becomes unworkable.
I suppost I could create a custom field (eg, "artists"), copy all the "artist" fields to "artists" and then copy all the "album artist (auto)" to "artist" as a workaround. But that's a kludge compared to the elegant way MC handled the issue before.
In fact, I had hoped that you would add an option to add more flexibility to how fields are transferred from MC9 to the Zen, including the ability to concatenate fields. For example, because of the Zen's browsing structure, I use the naming scheme "artist - album" for the [album] field so that albums within a genre will cluster by artists and so that I can identify the "greatest hits" albums. To be able to see just the album title in MC's library veiw, I created a custom [albums] field that I copy the [album] contents to. Then I rename the [album] filed from my PC's directory structure which takes the form of "artist - album". MC is set up to display the [albums] field in library view, not [album]. But it would be much nicer if i could just set the Zen transfer album field to "[artist] - [album]" for transfers.
Anyway, I hope you will restore the option to the plugin. Fortunately I still have the old version of the plugin on my machine.
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Nolonemo,
This can not be restored at this time. It is the tradeoff that was made to make synching more universal across all players and ultimately more intelligent in how it relates to MC. Sorry that it has a negative impact on you. Even if you use the old plugin, it will not interact with current MC 10 very well.
Steve
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I'm crushed. I guess I'll have to stay with MC9 -- but I sure wanted that new theatre view. :'(
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Everyone,
The fix regarding the playlists is now available as Plugin 9.0.43.
Steve
I have just downloaded this fix. But I'm afraid it didnt fix the problem at all. I still have empty playlists. I even now have some of the playlists that I was able to fix before with manual downloads empty again.
This sounds like there is an unhandled error in the code that causes some loop to exit.
Thanks
Dom
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Dom,
Please find a playlist that has files that are disappearing and send me one of the files.
Thanks,
Steve (steve @ jriver.com)
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Having just upgraded to MC 10.0.101, I find that accessing the Nomad 3 via firewire is EXTREMELY slow, and CPU use on my server skyrockets while I'm trying to access the Nomad as well. I'm using the latest plugin - 9.0.43
I was using the IEEE1394 connection for peer-t-peer networking between two of my machines. I switched this off, thinking it may have had some impact.
It didn't...
Media Center Registered 10.0.101 -- C:\Program Files\J River\Media Center\
Microsoft Windows XP Workstation 5.1 Service Pack 1 (Build 2600)
AMD Athlon 1837 MHz MMX / Memory: Total - 523 MB, Free - 183 MB
Internet Explorer: 6.0.2800.1106 / ComCtl32.dll: 5.82 (xpsp1.020828-1920) / Shlwapi.dll: 6.00.2800.1400 / Shell32.dll: 6.00.2800.1233 (xpsp2.030604-1804) / wnaspi32.dll: 4.71 (0002) , ASPI for Win32 DLL, Copyright © 1989-2002 Adaptec, Inc. / Aspi32.sys: 4.71 (0002)
Ripping / Drive E: PIONEER DVD-ROM DVD-116 Mode:Normal Type:Auto Speed:Max
Drive F: Mode:Normal Type:Auto Speed:Max
Digital playback: Yes / Use YADB: Yes / Get cover art: No / Calc replay gain: Yes / Copy volume: 32767
Eject after ripping: Yes / Play sound after ripping: Yes Soundfile: C:\WINDOWS\Media\CDRippingIsComplete.wav
Burning / Drive F: PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-106D Addr: 1:1:0 Speed:16 MaxSpeed:16 BurnProof:Yes
Test mode: No / Eject after writing: Yes / Direct decoding: Yes / Write CD-Text: No
Use playback settings: No / Normalization: None
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LunchmeatVoom,
Is it equally slow with other applications? Not much has changed recently in the way MC and Nomad interact.
Steve
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Steve,
Now here's a funny thing...
I generally have my Nomad hooked up to the machine where my MP3s are (my Media Server machine if you like) via IEEE1394.
Recently I bought a 6-pin to 6-pin IEEE1394 cable to hook my main workstation to my server.
Tonight I've found that when I connect the Nomad to the 1394 port on the server, I get the "found new hardware sound" on my workstation, and can access the Nomad from MC on the workstation (obviously not transfer MP3s to it though). I guess this is a "feature" of 1394 - it's just a daisy chain of devices, the fact that a device is plugged into another machine make no difference, as it's still on the 1394 bus.
Anyways:
- I downloaded and reinstalled the Nomad plugin, and it made no difference. If I fire up MC with the Nomad disconnected, and then connect it and power on, CPU use in MC jumps to anywhere from 50-90%.
- I re-installed MC again, and it made no difference.
- I completely un-installed MC, and removed all vestiges of it from my server, then re-installed from scratch. Now, it seems to work perfectly.
Duh! I don't know what happened to MC / Nomad plugin, but the old clean sweep and full re-install seems to have done the trick in this instance.
I have now found another wee problem with Nomad. If I right-click on an Artist or Album in the tree and Send-to -> Nomad, the Action Window flashes and nothing happens. If I use drag and drop, it works fine.
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Lunch,
When I right click on an 'Artist/Album' or 'Album in the tree and select 'Send-to' Nomad, the AW blinks and shows the files as queued. If I click transfer they transfer without a problem. Can you tell me where and how in that sequence of events you are seeing a failure?
Steve
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But it would be much nicer if i could just set the Zen transfer album field to "[artist] - [album]" for transfers.
I heartily second this request.
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Steve, I am at work now, so can't test just at the moment.
What I was seeing, though, was the flashing of the AW, but no files seem to be queued. I tried Send-To twice, and still the AW queue was empty. Then I dragged and dropped and the AW updated straight away.
I will test again tonight...
I see that someone has posted a message about similar behaviour using right-click / send-to to queue files up the CD burner in the latest version.
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Just installed build 103 - Right-Click / Send-To Nomad still has problems.
My first Send-To flashed the AW AND queued the files. Subsequent Send-To operations flash the AW, but do NOT queue the files for transfer.
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Lunch,
This is fixed in today's build.
Steve
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Hi,
My Zen Xtra 60Gb just arrived today and I am using MC to copy all my files accross to it and it is working excellently. It is copying them all accross fast and smoothly.
A few questions I had though
-How can i get a list of all the songs on my zen in a playlist on my pc so I can use it to for instance view a list of songs that are not currently on the zen.
-is there any way to use panes when viewing the songs on my zen
-i read the request about 'multiple artist' and i agree that having them labeled as this would be a huge benefit for my compilation albums. i can see how some people might not want it though and i was wondering if it might be possible to allow us to be able to chose between the two methods.
thank u for a great program that is making my zen work like a charm.
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:-[ :-[
In the middle of the transfer my zens batteries died. MC displayed an error then wiped out the list i had spent 3 hours making.
i plugged in the zen to the charger and got power back instantly but my whole playlist had been wiped off. this is a pretty big bug as i lost 5454 tracks i had spent ages chosing and wasted hours on.
hope its fixed. thanks
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-i read the request about 'multiple artist' and i agree that having them labeled as this would be a huge benefit for my compilation albums. i can see how some people might not want it though and i was wondering if it might be possible to allow us to be able to chose between the two methods.
dark angel, I too hope that J River will not only restore but expand this functionality to the Zen plugin. I don't care whether the functionality is different for different players, I just want the best functionality for MY player. Ah well....
Until J River changes its mind, here's a workaround. Great a new tag field called Artists (plural, that is, as opposed to the standard singular). Use the Library Tools -> Move/Copy Fields to copy the contents of the Artist field to the Artists field (this creates a backup of the original Artist field). Now use the same function to copy the contents of the Album Artists (auto) field to the Artist field. Now when you transfer files to the Zen, your compilations will have "Multiple Artists" as the artist. In MC, if you want to compilations to display that way, set the column to either Album Artist (auto) or Artist. If you want to see the individual artists in the compilation in MC, set the column type to Artists.
I use a similar scheme to overcome the fact that on the Zen you can't sort by artist within a genre, but go straight to an album view. (Note that this method works becuase I store the mp3s in each album in a folder that follows the naming scheme of "artist - album"). I created a custom tag field called Albums. I use the copy field command to copy the Album tag to Albums. Then I use the get properties from filename command, checking only the directory button and assigning the directory to the Album tag, to fill the Album tag with artist - album. In MC I set the column for the album names to Albums to show only the album title (because I have a column showing the artist just to the left of the album column), but in the Zen, albums will display as, for example, "Emmylou Harris - Angel Band", so when I go into the country genre and scroll, I'll see all of Emmylou's albums grouped together.
The problem with these workarounds is that your standard tags no longer hold the standard information. That's not a problem as long as you stay within the world of MC, because of the flexibility you have in how to display tags. But if you wanted to give the files to someone else, you'd have to restore the contents of your custom fields to the standard fields first.
That's why in an ideal world MC would allow us to map any MC tag to any Zen tag, and better yet, concatinate tags (so you could map your MC Artist and Album tags to the Zen as "Artist - Album", so you could get things to display the way you wanted in the Zen without screwing up the standard tag contents. Hopefully, J River will do that one day. It would be a killer feature.
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darkAngelChild,
When you say the playlist was wiped off, do you mean the tracks themselves or the playlist? Tracks don't get added to the playlists until the end of the Synchronization process, so in your situation (player shutting down) it does not surprise me that the files are not in the playlist, but the files should still be on Zen. If this is the case, the next sync will skip the files which are on Zen, continue from there and then add everything to the playlists at the end. If the tracks were lost because Nomad choked, I think it is a Nomad issue.
-How can i get a list of all the songs on my zen in a playlist on my pc so I can use it to for instance view a list of songs that are not currently on the zen.
Create playlists and smartlists in MC before transferring the files and then use synchronization (right click on Nomad Jukebox) to move the playlists.
-is there any way to use panes when viewing the songs on my zen
Not at this time.
-i read the request about 'multiple artist' and i agree that having them labeled as this would be a huge benefit for my compilation albums. i can see how some people might not want it though and i was wondering if it might be possible to allow us to be able to chose between the two methods.
This cannot be implemented at this time.
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darkAngelChild,
-i read the request about 'multiple artist' and i agree that having them labeled as this would be a huge benefit for my compilation albums. i can see how some people might not want it though and i was wondering if it might be possible to allow us to be able to chose between the two methods.
This cannot be implemented at this time.
Steve, I had understood your previous post as saying that this functionality had been removed for what sounded like more of a policy reason than a technical reason. Are there technical barriers to providing field mapping functionality in the handheld plugins?
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Nolonemo,
The change is both a policy change (making the tranfer of files and synchronization more universal from player to player) and technical. MC and its interaction with Portables is now designed around a track matching scheme based on Name, Artist, Album, Genre, and Track Number. Shifting the Artist name makes this much more complicated. We will look at trying to acomodate this in the future.
Steve
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Thanks, Steve, I certainly can understand the complicated factor.
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hi, thanks for the fast reply.
i hadnt made a playlist to begin with. i had simply dragged all files i wanted to move onto my player into the window for it in the action window. it then had all the files qued to go onto my handheld. after it told there was an error it wiped out this big que of files and i lost the list that had taken me hours to build.
As for matching the tracks, that would work if i only used one machine to get the files onto my zen but even then, unless i add files via the playlist each time and not just directly to the handheld by the method u provide then this wont keep track. is there no way to just have it read the list of files in the player and create a track from this or something? it can show all the files that are on it, surely it could also therefore create a playlist from them all in mc?
nolomeo, thanks for the suggestions but it sounds far far too complex and tricky for me. i simply want to be able to put files onto my zen without a lot of work and hassle. i dont want it to be a hugely complicated tricky affair. just want to get some new songs on my computer, click one or two buttons and they are on my player - quick and easy.
thanks for saying you will look into it in the future steve, that would be a huge help and greatly appreciated to make the process a relatively simple one. it would be ideal to be able to just chose what field in mc i want used on my player.
thanks again
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hi again,
have also noticed it seems to be freezing on certain tracks and not progressing any more. it just sits there, it has done this a few times now for me.
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just to update, it's done it yet again.
it doesn't seem to be getting past around 300 songs before it happens and once it happens, the cancel button no longer works. its totally frozen and needs to be crashed to get out of it :-[
its going to take me ages to fill up my zen at this rate.
updated again:
now its sticking on the first file, cancel does not work to cancel the operation however clicking on the X does.
Removing the file it stuck on from the list seems to stop it sticking. certain files seem to be causing it to freeze.
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i went back to creatives software and it did it all without a glitch, copied them all accross perfectly.
one other thing i noticed though is that creatives software has an option for analysing audio - bpm and volume which is uses on my zen.
i noticed mc also has an analyse audio feature but is this compatible with my zen or is this just for within mc?
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Hi all
This is my first post so i hope i haven't missed the answer to my query somewhere else.
Im trying to synchronize to my nomad zen xtra 30GB. When i right click on Nomad Jukebox Zen Xtra (which appears on the left panel tree under drives and devices) I receive a pop up box saying 'Show queued files only' and not the synchronization box which I am told elsewhere in this forum, should appear. The program locks up for a few minutes then frees up again, often displaying a box saying-
'Server Busy - This action can not be completed as the other program is busy. Choose Switch To, to activate the busy program and correct the problem.'
Am I right clicking the right place?
Windows XP
Zen Xtra 30GB
Media Center 10.0.106
Nomad Jukebox plugin 9.0.43
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Right click on it to get that option.
For me it didn't work so I went to creatives software which worked perfectly for all my files.
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darkangelchild,
What error did it tell you?
As for matching the tracks, that would work if i only used one machine to get the files onto my zen but even then, unless i add files via the playlist each time and not just directly to the handheld by the method u provide then this wont keep track. is there no way to just have it read the list of files in the player and create a track from this or something? it can show all the files that are on it, surely it could also therefore create a playlist from them all in mc?
Multiple PCs should not affect the matching as long as the files have the same Name, Artist, ALbum, Genre and Track Number. This works wheter you are using playlists or not. Be sure you are using 10.0.106.
In regards to the freezing, can you isolate a track it always freezes on?Can you send me this track (steve @ jriver.com).
colecovision,
Your list only shows 'Show queued files only' ?? Are there not other menu options including 'Synchroniztion' which when selected shows the Synchronization dialogue?
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Hi Steve
I uninstalled my copy of media center, then installed it and it is now working correctly. I guess installing the various updates to 10.0 on top of each other meant something got screwy along the way. I'm happily playlisting now.
Thanks
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The new firmware 1.03.02 for the jukebox now has a play all tracks feature. This is a proper all tracks play mode and not just a preview mode. Means you no longer have to set up a play list with all your tracks on it anymore.
Just so you know.
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i isolated one of the files causing it and tried to send it with both notmad explorer and zen's software in explorer. with notmat explorer i get this message: 'error code 2560, description: Creative Labs Driver Error: 0xA00
The Creative driver could not read this file, it may be corrupted. Try re-ripping it from the source CD'.
With the standard zen driver I get: 'this file type is not supported'.
i guess it is a faulty mp3 but with mc it just causes it to sit there frozen. i tried to email it but mail.com keeps messing up and not letting me send it.
also, is there any way to edit the tags of the files on the zen so i can change their names etc. i can do this with both the creatives software and with notmad explorer.
can i also control the zen at all from it and play songs on it like i can do with notmad explorer?
final qu. in both explorer and creatives software i get panes to navigate the zens music. MC also has panes but how do i get them to show or use them with my zen?
thanks for the help
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also, is there any way to edit the tags of the files on the zen so i can change their names etc. i can do this with both the creatives software and with notmad explorer.
can i also control the zen at all from it and play songs on it like i can do with notmad explorer?
final qu. in both explorer and creatives software i get panes to navigate the zens music. MC also has panes but how do i get them to show or use them with my zen?
These features are not currently available, but can be added in the future.
Steve
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thanks for the reply,
do u have any idea when they might be added? they are quite important ones and without them i will just stick to notmad explorer and creatives solutions as they are more feature rich and powerful.
if i know it will be added soon though then it might be worth waiting for.
also, i was only getting 6Mb/s according to the sync when i was transfering the files accross. ive seen reports of people getting like 40 or more. do u have any idea why it might be slow?
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darkAngelChild,
I do not know the timeline for implementation of these. Sorry.
In regards to the 6MB vs 40, I would expect MC to transfer at the same comparable rate as Creative's application. Are you seeing one transferring faster than the other?
Steve
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Dom,
Please find a playlist that has files that are disappearing and send me one of the files.
Thanks,
Steve (steve @ jriver.com)
Hello, I'm back.
I just sent you one of the files that keep making the playlists empty.
Thanks
Dom
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Moved from AVS forum....
Problem:
When I close Media Player and Nomad Jukebox is not attached, I get some kind of window that is looking for the Nomad and won't close.
Using version 10.0.111
Everything else is looking good.
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I am using the .043 plugin.
If I close Media Player without playing music there is no problem.
If I close Media Player after playing a song from library a window titled "Initializing Nomad Jukebox" pops up with the message "Initializing Nomad Jukebox, Please wait...."
The window remains open for about 1 1/2 minutes but will eventually close. If you click the X you get a program not responding message.
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John,
Using 10.0.112, I still cannot replicate this. I have tried....
1) Playing files, disconnecting Nomad, closing MC.
2) Disconnecting Nomad playing files, closing MC
3) Start MC, connect Nomad, play files, disconnect Nomad, close MC.
etc......
Can you give me the order you are connecting/disconnecting Nomad and initiating playback in order to see the result you are?
Also, what OS are you running?
Thanks,
Steve
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Using WinXP.
Try number 4. ;) Nomad not connected. Start MC. Play a file from library. Close MC.
I normally do not have the Nomad connected unless I am transfering files.
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John,
I can not reproduce this. The message "Initializing Nomad Jukebox..." occurs when MC trys to connect to Nomad Jukebox. If you drag a file across the Nomad Jukebox icon in the tree, this would occur, but I do not know of a way for this to occur if you are simply playing files. Another way for this to occur is if you click directly on the Nomad Jukebox or try to send files to the Nomad Juekbox.
Having said that, if you have been unable to initialize the Nomad which seems to be part of your problem, you may need to get the latest drivers from Creative.
If you can successfully connect to your Nomad, let me know and we can go from there.
Can you also confirm for me that you do not have "Enable WMDM support" checked under Tools->Options->Devices?
Steve
Steve
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I will try your suggestions this evening.
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Enable WMDM support is not checked.
I connected Nomad via firewire.
Transfered songs to Nomad.
Played songs from library.
Got same error message when exiting with Nomad attached.
Disconnected Nomad.
Opened MC.
Took no action.
Closed MC.
No error message.
Opened MC.
Played a song from library.
Closed MC.
Got error message.
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I also get this message when exiting MC if I have had the Nomad connected during the session.
It is the same message which pops up when you first hook up the Nomad.
In my case, it only flashes up for an instant (1-2 secs max).
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John,
How are you initiating the play in MC and how are you initiating the close?
Steve
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How are you initiating the play in MC
Double click on the song listed in the Media Library/Audio view.
and how are you initiating the close?
Stopping playback then clicking X in upper right.
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John,
I cannot replicate the call to Initialize the Nomad which you are seeing upon closure of MC. If you don't mind can I send you a plugin which will give me some messaging to try to figure out how this is possible? If so, drop me an email at
steve @ jriver.com
Thanks.
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I also get this message when exiting MC if I have had the Nomad connected during the session.
It is the same message which pops up when you first hook up the Nomad.
In my case, it only flashes up for an instant (1-2 secs max).
I've sometimes seen this but have just ignored it....
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I installed the new .dll.
The Nomad was being called on program exit.
I verified this with both USB and firewire conncections.
I decided to change the driver for the Nomad Jukebox 3.
I downloaded from Creative. Upon install it said it was older than current installed but I installed it anyway.
The exit problem vanished. I can now exit without "initializing error" message.
I can get the following error message when exiting with Nomad connected:
Title: CtMp3Lib: Media Jukebox.exe application error.
text in body: The instruction at "0x023b013" referenced memory at "0x023f2f80".
The memory could not be "read" Click on OK to terminate program.
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John,
Thanks for the feedback. I will test this more tomorrow when I am back. Where did you get the driver that you had that was newer than the one on Creative's site so I can try and replicate (fix) this?
Steve
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Morning Steve,
I just started using this plug-in yesterday, so the functionality I'm requesting may be there and I just don't know how to use it. I have the checkbox checked to synch all files. I already have a large number of files on my Zen. I'm just interested in getting what I don't currently have on my player copied over. Problem is this. I start the synch and MC will tell me that I have certain files on my Zen already and asked If I want to proceed or not. If I don't the synch quits, if I answer yes, synch continues. MC will start converting my files for me (10 at a time) and upon transfer, asks me what I want to do with duplicates. In this case I would like to skip them. This will allow me to copy the files that I want to. It seems like a waste of time to have MC convert the files then ask what I want to do when duplicates are encountered. Shouldn't this be done before the conversion process? I would also rather do this once instead of having to answer for each set of ten files. I would like to be able to walk away and let MC do its thing for a couple hours if need be. Am I doing something wrong? Thanks for your time.
Brian Palmer
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Brian,
What version of MC do you have? If not, 10.0.116, please get that one. If you are seeing a message about duplicates prior to the start of the sync, it is not referring to duplicates on the Zen, but duplicates in MC based on a match of Name, Artist, Album, Genre and Track Number information. MC will not resend files that are already on the Zen. However, MC allows you to have multiple files with the same Name, Artist, Album, Genrem and Track Number and we do not allow that on the Zen. If you are going to send 'All files' it would be best if you resolved these duplicates. Or, don't use send all files and create playlists/smartlists with the files you want to send.
Steve
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Steve,
My apologies. I should have been paying more attention! ::) Thanks for clearing that up for me though. I've been re-ripping a lot of stuff lately so it doesn't surprise me that I now have some duplicates in MC that need some attention. Have a great day!!!
Brian Palmer
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Everyone,
This thread has gotten pretty big. I will lock it and start a new one. For anyone who is seeing the Nomad Initialize on close, please get tonight's MC or later and let me know if you still see it.
Thanks,
Steve