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Title: OT- Spam Filter Advice
Post by: magisimo on April 10, 2004, 11:54:24 am
I now get almost 150 spam e-mails a day.  I am tired of having to download all of them and wait for my filter to try and get rid of them.  Is there any spam filter that will check my e-mail periodically throughout the day and filter them off my ISP's e-mail server?  Any advice guys?

Thanks,
- Mike
Title: Re:OT- Spam Filter Advice
Post by: JustinChase on April 10, 2004, 12:12:50 pm
My ISP is COX, and they just released spam filtering.  I just turned it on today, seems better now.
Title: Re:OT- Spam Filter Advice
Post by: GHammer on April 10, 2004, 12:29:58 pm
I now get almost 150 spam e-mails a day.  I am tired of having to download all of them and wait for my filter to try and get rid of them.  Is there any spam filter that will check my e-mail periodically throughout the day and filter them off my ISP's e-mail server?  Any advice guys?

Thanks,
- Mike

I use MailWasher Pro 4 and it does a great job.
http://www.firetrust.com (http://www.firetrust.com)

I had tested G-Lock Spam Combat and it was a nice app, but does not have all the features of MailWasher and I just didn't like the interface.

http://www.glocksoft.com/sc/index.htm (http://www.glocksoft.com/sc/index.htm)

In MailWasher I use no filters. The builtin tools catch all spam I have seen. When I used to use filters, my best one was simply my first name in the subject line. Nobody you know sends mail with your firts name in the subject, most spammers do.

Hope it helps.
Title: Re:OT- Spam Filter Advice
Post by: DocLotus on April 10, 2004, 01:19:11 pm
Be careful of ISP SPAM filtering.

This is what happened to me...

I was using 56K dial-up through AT&T which used Prodigy as the e-mail pass-through.  It has SPAM filtering which seemed to work so-so; however, some still got through.  But basically my normal mail always got through (along with a little SPAM).

Then about 4 or 5 months ago I switched to SBC DSL which uses Yahoo e-mail filtering.  All the SPAM stopped; I thought GREAT, at last.

Then little by little I began to notice that I was not getting certain e-mails anymore that I used to get.  It was not too noticeable at first & I was still gaining experience with DSL.  Over time I realized that many messages were not getting through.

I told SBC that I had no use for all the Yahoo stuff & all I wanted was a fast connection & to use my own browser (Opera) & e-mail program (Outlook) so I never looked at any of the Yahoo programs.  I figured that if they wanted to give it to me for free so what, I simply would ignore it & continue using my own browser & e-mail programs.

That worked just fine until I began to realize that I was not getting some of my usual e-mails.

I called SBC DSL tech support & they suggested that I look at the Yahoo e-mail which I had never used before.  Well... to make a long story short, that is where the SPAM filter is & it had over 90 messages for the last couple of weeks that never got through the SPAM filter including many, many Interact Forum notices to responses for my Forum questions.  Some of Interact was getting through, but about half was not.  The Yahoo SPAM filter would automatically delete any trapped message after 30 days so I have no idea how many messages I actually lost maybe 400 - 500 or so.

It turns out that unlike the AT&T Prodigy SPAM filter that has hard limits, the SBC DSL Yahoo SPAM filter has to be trained as to what kind of mail to stop & what is ok to pass.  It works like this; it will stop a lot of mail at first.  You go to your Yahoo Mail site from time to time & move those items that you do want to read to the Yahoo Inbox where they will be available to your normal e-mail program (in my case Outlook).  This act of moving trapped mail to the inbox tells Yahoo SPAM filter that it is ok to pass this type e-mail in the future.  In other words it is being trained.

I now am now getting all of my Interact notices along with all the other messages that I was not previously receiving.

Sooo... the bottom line about ISP provide SPAM filtering is to... CHECK IT, CHECK IT, and CHECK IT again on a regular basis until you are satisfied that the messages you really want are in fact getting through.

I know, this is double work checking both your regular e-mail & your ISP provided e-mail but in many cases that is a fact of life with the SPAM blight that is upon us today.

Title: Re:OT- Spam Filter Advice
Post by: paulr on April 10, 2004, 02:38:18 pm
POPFile from popfile.sourceforge.net is probably the best overall, and it's free (open source).

It's a proxy that your email client talks to - it pulls your mail down, analyzes it and classifies it into any number of 'buckets' you want.  It adds x-headers to each email that will allow your client (any client will work) to send each email to its appropriate folder.

Currently, mine is sorting my email for me into personal, newsletters, beta and spam buckets.

Edit:  I somehow overlooked what you asked for...  POPFile can't filter email unless it is downloaded, but if you allow your email client to downlaod mail as you get it, it shouldn't be a problem...  I think you will not be able to find a *good* spam filter that will delete mail from the server without being able to download it first.  Blacklist type filters (and filters that go solely on subject line/from line are notoriously inaccurate.
Title: Re:OT- Spam Filter Advice
Post by: magisimo on April 10, 2004, 03:19:22 pm
Thanks for the replies.  I think that I'm going to set my Outlook to download e-mail often so that I don't really notice the filtering going on, and continue using the Bayes filter that is working for me so far.

- Mike
Title: Re:OT- Spam Filter Advice
Post by: KingSparta on April 10, 2004, 03:31:22 pm
I use "Norton Internet Security 2004" it has spam mail detection

it works well it knows the ISP's that spam and it blocks them (selectable) and you can also train it.
Title: Re:OT- Spam Filter Advice
Post by: kiwi on April 10, 2004, 03:50:55 pm
I've been using Stata Labs (http://www.statalabs.com/) email program "Bloomba".  It comes with SAproxyPro which handles POP accounts and scans for spam on the way through.  Everything is nicely integrates.  

As for the email program, it's amazing.  In many ways, it's the MC of email programs.  They have a new version due out any time now.  Sure it costs a bit, but I've found it to be a much better program.  The searching is utterly astounding.   Most all searches take 1-3 seconds... if that.  Give it's 30 day trial a try.  

It's well worth the trial.

kiwi
Title: Re:OT- Spam Filter Advice
Post by: markp99 on April 11, 2004, 08:07:58 am
I am using SpamBayes for Outlook.

I get about 25 spams a day; SpamBayes catches them all but one or two, which are itentified as "possible" spam...You simply review the "possibles"" and tag as spam or as valid mail...you are training the tool all the time!  

I have not gotten a false positive in the several months of using the tool..!!

Best of all, this tool is still free:  http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/
Title: Re:OT- Spam Filter Advice
Post by: GHammer on April 12, 2004, 08:08:45 am
I like tools that don't require downloading the spam to do their work. I tried POPFilter, but I didn't like the need to have extra processes installed and running in order to use it.

But whatever works is better than no filtering or allow your ISP to do it.