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Devices => Androids and other portables => Topic started by: SteveG on April 19, 2004, 03:16:15 pm
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Everyone,
Please post any issues regarding Nomad Jukebox or Zen here....
Thanks.
Steve
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Is anyone still seeing the 'Initialize Nomad' on close issue?
Steve
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What does the "Sync Data to MC" checkbox do in the Zen plugin? Thanks.
Brian Palmer
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Steve, this is the msg that I get if I use the disconnect Nomad option, but don't shut down the player or disconnect it before I close MC....
Ctmp3Lib:MediaJukebox.exe - Application error insturction "0x027c035c"at "0x02802db8" memory could not be "read".
This was happening before with the builds last month, but other than being annoying, it doesn't seem the hurt anything.
Everything else works like a charm! couldn't believe all the little improvements while I was away. Thanks for all the hard work. B
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What does the "Sync Data to MC" checkbox do in the Zen plugin? Thanks.
Brian Palmer
Edited: Wrong info. :-[
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I am having terrible problems trying to sync my Zen Xtra 60GB to the latest build - see my entries over in the MC bug thread. This is a new Zen, so I have never successfully sync'd it yet; but, admittedly I did try to Cancel some of the long sync's but MC has been unresponsive thus seemingly causing most of the problems. What rates are you Zen guys getting via USB2?
I installed all the software that came with the Zen, then updated everything per the Creative website. The Creative Nomad Explorer works fine.
Also, after installing the Zen and trying to sync, my Norton Internet Security Pro 2004 weirded out. First a fatal error occurred with the NAV part and the messages said it needed to be reinstalled - so did that. Then the NIS part gave similar error and ultimately needs to be reinstalled. Everything had been running fine before installing the Zen.
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**COPIED FROM MC THREAD**
[[After copying 1000 files plus some playlists to Creative Zen Xtra 60gb, then deleting the files but not the playlists, then tying to sync the same playlists - MC gives message saying there are duplicate files and if you want to continue. [NOTE that all the files were deleted using MC and so it should not find any dupes.] Answer YES and MC locks up, must kill it in Task Manager.****NOTE>> I reinstalled MC and it still gives the same dupe message (which must be valid) but does not lockup now.]]
Also, need a way to delete multiple Playlists on handheld in one operation. Had to delete each playlist on device manually using MC, but there are 4 that I tried to delete but they still show in MC but they do not exist on device.
Also, need a Handheld Options config tool where you can preset the ability to Skip, Replace, etc, tracks if they are already on the Handheld. Otherwise, if you leave a long sync operation (ie, 5hrs) and it finds dupes the popup dialog keeps the sync from completing which is a BIG problem.
When syncing tracks to handheld the Cancel button does not stop the sync, in fact the entire MC window is unresponsive.
Since the Cancel button does not work when sync'ing to handheld had to End Task with Task Manager. Now when trying to start MC get a dialog:
Server Busy:
The action cannot be completed because the other program is busy. Choose 'Switch To' to activate the busy program anc correct the problem
... but Switch To does nothing, neither does retry, they both just throw that same dialog back up. Reboot does not help. Cannot start MC at all.
UPDATE: This is a HUGE problem for me. I reinstalled which let me get back into MC again. But when trying to re-sync to the Zen Xtra the file copying was extremely slow, so I tried to press Cancel again which did not work again. Had to right-click MC on the task bar and select Close, but when trying to restart MC I get the same message as above. While you guys try to fix this, is there a lock file or something that can be removed to fix this so I can continue to work with MC?
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bebop,
Can you try again with the next Nomad Plugin (9.0.45 later today)? If you see that message again, please let me clarify when you see it. Do you see it when you select 'Disconnect Nomad' or during the close of MC?
Thanks.
Brian,
'Sync data to MC' moves certain tag info from a Portable to MC. The fields it moves are rating, play count and date last played. Since none of these fields are supported by Nomad, this option will not do anything.
imjustagamer,
At some point I will expand the fuctionality to include what you mentioned.
Thanks.
Markeau,
Prior to the sync, the message regarding duplicates is telling you that you are about to send multiple files to Nomad which have the same Name, Artist, Album, Genre and Track Number. It is best if you resolve this in MC either by creating smartlists/playlists which do not have duplicates, or by modifying these fields in MC so they are unique.
If you do this, your other problems should go away. To delete multiple playlists, do a sync and check only the playlists you want to sync. MC will delete all other playlists from Nomad for you.
The Skip, Replace, etc. option you request should also be unnecessary because duplicate files should never be sent in the first place.
The Cancel option unresponsiveness is fixed in today's Nomad Plugin build available later (v 9.0.45).
Steve
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Steve,
Thanks for the info on the 'Sync data to MC' checkbox. That's what I thought after reading some documentation on the iPod sync.
Brian Palmer
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Steve,
Thanks for the info on the 'Sync data to MC' checkbox. That's what I thought after reading some documentation on the iPod sync.
imjustagamer,
Where did you get your info... or were you just guessing?
Brian Palmer
Very sorry for misleading.... That's the way it worked on MediaSource (Creative's software) So I just assumed it would be the same...
Again very sorry..
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No Biggie ;D
Guess that came out a bit snooty. Forgive me for being rude.
Brian Palmer
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Steve, thanks for the clarification of the duplicates message when syncing (I had incorrectly thought that it was telling me that the file already existed on the Nomad).
However, when I open the smartlist "Task - possible duplicates" in MC10, it shows as duplicates files that have the same artist and track name, but which are on different albums and/or have different genres. From what you said, the sync would not treat these as duplicates because of the different tag info -- am I correct?
If my understanding is right, then it would be nice to have a smartlist that displays the files that the sync would treat as duplicates so that we could fix them in MC before syncing as you suggested.
Thanks for listening.
Nolo
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Nolo,
However, when I open the smartlist "Task - possible duplicates" in MC10, it shows as duplicates files that have the same artist and track name, but which are on different albums and/or have different genres. From what you said, the sync would not treat these as duplicates because of the different tag info -- am I correct?
Yes.
MC shows you the files which are duplicates (in regards to portable transfers) when it warns you before the sync. If you would prefer to create a smartlist to check for duplicates the rule would be :
~dup=[Artist],[Name],[Album],[Track #],[Genre]
Steve
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Steve - tres cool, thank you for the search def!
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I installed the latest build and new Zen plugin but I can't get MC to start, I get that same:
Server Busy:
The action cannot be completed because the other program is busy. Choose 'Switch To' to activate the busy program anc correct the problem
... but Switch To does nothing, neither does retry, they both just throw that same dialog back up. Reboot does not help. Cannot start MC at all.
HELP!!!
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Steve, that did the trick! Now, even if I choose the "Disconnect Nomad" option and forget to unplug the USB before I close MC...I no longer get the error msg! The "please be sure Normad is connected and turned on" screen does show up,however,if I had not changed to another item in the tree before closing (which is to be expected, since I have the remember media mode checked as well as start in last location). Thanks again for all the improvements. B
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I installed the latest build and new Zen plugin but I can't get MC to start, I get that same:
Server Busy:
The action cannot be completed because the other program is busy. Choose 'Switch To' to activate the busy program anc correct the problem
... but Switch To does nothing, neither does retry, they both just throw that same dialog back up. Reboot does not help. Cannot start MC at all.
HELP!!!
I was able to get MC to start by ending the CTPDESERV.EXE task, but when trying to sync the Server Busy dialog popped back up and looped on itself. Ended the task again and the sync is running. I bet it popsup again and causes the same problem ... Any ideas on why this is happening?
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After leaving a sync running on my Zen Xtra 60gb overnight, MC hung at file 2804 (of 4939 total). The Cancel button did not work, but the X in the sync dialog did. [NOTE that I do have the latest Zen plugin from 22Apr04 and latest MC build]. There were no messages or anything, and the Zen was responsive and workig fine.
I won't be able to re-attempt the sync until later this evening.
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Markeau,
Have you installed the latest drivers from Creative's site for your player? (This could affect the server busy and transfer issues)
Once you have the latest drivers, if you still see the 'server busy' please clarify when you see it (i.e. on startup of MC, on clicking on Nomad Jukebox in the tree, after cancelling a sync).
In regards to the hang, any educated guesses as to what file 2804 was? If not, start the sync again and it should pick up where it left off and maybe we can isolate what file caused the hang. Are you doing bitrate conversions on the way to Nomad?
Steve
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I updated everything to the latest as per the Creative support downloads site. I also totally uninstalled and reinstalled the CT Zen apps/drivers.
Not doing bit conversion, just straight 320kbps xfer's from MC to Zen. I don't think I can tell what file 2804 was.
I will try to resync when I get home today in about 7hrs from now ... and note when the server busy dialog happens.
THANKS for the quick response!!!
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I have a Creative Nomad Jukebox Zen 20GB USB2.0 (have been using latest firmware/drivers from nomadworld.com). Starting with MC 10.0.118 or so, just about ANY action taken with the Jukebox causes MC to crash, even as basic an action as scrolling the list of songs. I can sometimes delete an album from the Zen, but it crashes after re-initializing the list of songs. I don't seem to be able to transfer any new music to it at this time. This began before I downloaded the new Zen 9.0.45 driver yesterday (was using .44 prior).
The Zen is close to capacity at 5169 files (98% 128 fixed mp3, the rest VBR mp3). Transfers still work fine using the Creative MediaSource software.
Interestingly, Media Center's bottom toolbar reports "Total Space: 17.7GB, Free: 172.6", while Creative MediaSource shows 19056 MB, 181 MB free. Thus Media Center seems to be underreporting both total & free space.
Finally... Even without transferring anything, the Zen's power seems to draw down very quickly when connected via the USB2.0 cable and Media Center on. I really don't know if this means anything.
Thanks!
Media Center Registered 10.0.120 -- C:\Program Files\J River\Media Center\
Microsoft Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 1 (Build 2600)
Intel Pentium 4 2792 MHz MMX / Memory: Total - 523 MB, Free - 204 MB
Internet Explorer: 6.0.2800.1106 / ComCtl32.dll: 5.82 (xpsp1.020828-1920) / Shlwapi.dll: 6.00.2800.1400 / Shell32.dll: 6.00.2800.1233 (xpsp2.030604-1804) / wnaspi32.dll: N/A
Ripping / Drive D: HL-DT-STRW/DVD GCC-4241N Mode:Normal Type:Auto Speed:Max
Digital playback: Yes / Use YADB: Yes / Get cover art: Yes / Calc replay gain: Yes / Copy volume: 32767
Eject after ripping: Yes / Play sound after ripping: No
Burning / Drive D: HL-DT-ST RW/DVD GCC-4241N Addr: 1:0:0 Speed:24 MaxSpeed:24 BurnProof:Yes
Test mode: No / Eject after writing: Yes / Direct decoding: Yes / Write CD-Text: No
Use playback settings: No / Normalization: None
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bseller,
The power loss and the scrolling crashing could be hardware related and maybe not even Nomad related. Can you use other applications to access Nomad without issues? You mention uploads work, how about scrolling, etc.
Once MC displays files and you scroll through them, there is no interaction between MC and Nomad directly. If there is a crash at this point there are other issues involved.
What happens when you try to transfer new music? Does it not transfer due to lack of space? Does MC alert you to this?
In regards to capacity, the difference is due to how we define a MB. Player manufacturers always try to optimize how this appears.
Steve
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Steve,
The only other apps I access the Jukebox with are the ones I downloaded from the Creative website -- MediaSource (player/organizer) and Creative File Manager 2, to use if storing non-music files on the player (which I don't do). I can use MediaSource to transfer to & from the player without problems.
OK, I have downloaded the Nomad Jukebox Zen plugin for RealPlayer 10 and am able to transfer to and from my Zen using it, too. (RealPlayer of course has its own problems (yuck), but crashing wasn't one of them.)
Using Creative MediaSource, I deleted all of the Beatles and Blur from the Zen (230 files/740.7 MB; chosen arbitrarily because I have a lot and wanted to experiment with M.C. performance with a Zen that's not quite as close to capacity). I was then able to transfer all of the Blur back to the player in Media Center by clicking on Handheld Player in the Action Window, selecting Blur from Artist/Album in the left plane, and dragging it to the Nomad Jukebox "Drop Files Here" and hitting transfer. That said, after all of the files transfered and M.C. requeried the list, it crashed again. I was able to delete the Blur from the Zen again, this time using Media Center. Again, it crashed after it was done deleting. I then deleted all my Built to Spill (51 files/222.6 MB). Again, crash upon requerying. It seems like any time I take an action in Media Center that queries the Zen, M.C. will crash pretty quickly thereafter.
Oh, forgot to answer a question or two. I am now re-uploading the Built to Spill to the player (this time click the Artist in the left pane, right click and select Send To-->Drives/Devices-->Nomad Jukebox. I'm noticing straightaway that the transfers seem slow for USB2.0... Perhaps 5s for a 4-minute 128kbps mp3, slower than the Creative MediaSource transfers and slower than I've noticed in Media Center before. I find it notable that it's not crashing during my uploads/downloads to Zen from Media Center!
If I try and transfer more than the available capacity on the player, I get the warning message which I must select before being able to proceed, then the "144 Cancel remaining transfers?" dialog box once capacity's exceeded.
To answer your other question: scrolling, selecting etc. don't cause Creative MediaSource or Real Player to crash or otherwise behave oddly.
I'll be happy to try more stuff if you think it'll help diagnose things!
bseller,
The power loss and the scrolling crashing could be hardware related and maybe not even Nomad related. Can you use other applications to access Nomad without issues? You mention uploads work, how about scrolling, etc.
Once MC displays files and you scroll through them, there is no interaction between MC and Nomad directly. If there is a crash at this point there are other issues involved.
What happens when you try to transfer new music? Does it not transfer due to lack of space? Does MC alert you to this?
In regards to capacity, the difference is due to how we define a MB. Player manufacturers always try to optimize how this appears.
Steve
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Steve, I'm back. Could you please tell me what MC matches up to determine whether a file in the transfer queue is a dupe? Also, does MC only examine files in the transfer queue for dupeness or does it look at the Library in general (e.g., if MC has two dupe files in the library but only one is in the queue, will the one in the queue trigger the dupe "what to do" window).
Thanks,
Nolo
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Things seem to be working better afer reinstalling the CT drivers for the Zen Xtra. But, there a few things that would make usability better:
1) After a track sync a "Transfer Complete" dialog appears and stops where you have to select "OK", then AFTER selecting OK the Playlists start sync'ing. Need to cutout that dialog so the tracks AND playlists will sync all in one operation.
2) Need ability to PRESET the option to Skip, Replace, etc, any tracks that otherwise throw that dialog interrupting a sync.
3) Always get a Media Core crash when exiting MC. Seems to only happen after some Nomad Jukebox operation, ie even just selecting that device in the MC tree and exiting MC.
4) In the Nomad Jukebox view no tag info shows for the new columns added: Mood, Preference, Situation, Tempo (those tags aren't removed when copying tracks to the Jukebox are they? they should be part of the track's metadata)
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Steve..having trouble with getting playlists to sync properly. Have created playlist in MC, connected zen, chose sync playlists and checked the ones I wanted to sync...everything seemed to proceed correctly..until I checked the playlists, that is. Only a few files were listed ( only 4 of the 35 on my "dance" list) for example. This is the only other playlist that I use, as the other is all tracks. what am I doing wrong here? I have the latest plug -in and versoin of MC. ?
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bseller,
Try deleting all the Beatles and Blur from the Zen. Then drag and drop one file back and see if MC refreshes without problems. If so, delete the file and see if the refresh works.
Please let me know the results and lets go from there. I think the problems you have are related to maxing out the space on Nomad.
Nolo,
MC uses the Name, Artist, Album, Genre and Track Number fields to match files. MC only examines files in the queue.
Markeau,
1) The transfer complete is removed from synching in tonight's build.
2) There should be no need to preset this because duplicates should never send if they have been resolved in MC. If you have a file that is being resent, please email it to me so I can resolve this.
3) This appears to be a bug in the Nomad SDK. Cretive has been alerted to it. I am working on a work around for now.
4) Those tags aren't reported back from Creative's SDK and therefore are not shown.
bebop,
Are you getting any warnings about 'Duplicate files' prior to the sync? If you look at all the files on your Nomad (via MC) do you see the other 31 files on Nomad which are missing from your playlist?
Steve
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Steve, I see the duplicates msg box, and always check skip. the files are physically on my zen, but not listed in the playlist. Another thing I noticed is that I can't re-organize the items in a playlist that I create on the Zen using MC(ie: move them into an order that I like...they seem to be locked into the order that I initially put them into the list - ie: alphabetically) I can, however, do this within MC. And deleting an item on the playlist deletes it from the zen not just the playlist.
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Steve, did a complete wipe of the zen and started over. First I checked "sync all files" and it told me that I would have a negative on the zen (ie: over capacity by 17 gb). Does this option sync everthing in MC and not just the audio? So tried using the other option and checking all the appropriate boxes - sync to MC, Sync Playlist. This option worked fine. It seemed much slower than the last time I did this (last month's build). This time the playlists contained the correct number of items in each one.
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bebop,
If you select 'Sync all files', this attempts to send the non audio as well. In regards to the slowness, I am not sure, nothing has really changed in regards to the transfer. Perhaps you can compare against another application to rule out hardware as the cause of the slowness.
In regards to the playlist order, the files should appear in Nomad playlists in the order they are listed in MC. Smartlists will be sent in whatever order the view is set to for that smartlist.
Steve
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Everyone,
A fellow Nomad user was having difficulty transferring wma files while doing on the fly conversion to VBR wma. I have resolved this issue beginning with tonight's build of MC.
Also, some have been reporting crashes when closing MC after selecting the Nomad in MC. The problem appears to be Creative's issue and they are working on it. In the meantime I introduced a workaround for it that should resolve it and will be included in tonight's Nomad plugin (9.0.47)
Steve
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Hey Steve,
Thanks again for all your hard work. It's much appreciated.
Brian Palmer
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Steve, guess I should have been clearer re: playlist order...what I wanted to know is there a way to reorganize the tracks that are already in a playlist on the zen without doing a sync? For example...move track one to position track four. I can do this to tracks in the Media Library Section of MC ( open playlist, move the tracks around by dragging them into position), but it doesn't seem to work in the Nomad section (expand Nomad, open playlist). I can get it to sort via field such as name, artist, but that's it. Perhaps I am doing something wrong or is this not possible at this time? thanks Bet
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bebop,
That is not possible at this time. You can rearrange in MC and then resync. The files won't resend and the playlist will be recreated the way you want.
Steve
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Thanks Steve.
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bebop, I have been realy think about getting a zen ,with your ex. would You do it again? do the pro's out weigh the con's ? do You take it with You alot ? I'm sorry for somany ???? but I just want to make the right choice
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Greydog, I love my Zen, and yup, would do it all again...and will be first in line if they ever get a 100 gig!!! The only drawback, as I see it, is that the battery is non-removable, so am not quite sure how they will handle it when it needs replacing, but have had mine since they first came out with the 60 Gig, and so far the battery seem to be doing just fine. I do use it alot - even have the adapter for the vehicle. Hope this helps ;D Bet
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Thank's bebop , it does help knowing that You would do it again :) what kind of adapter do You use in your car , is it the fm transmiter?
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Yup, the iRock fm transmitter. Got it for when we're travelling - every rental car has a radio of somesort, as to the cond's we stay at, so I always have my tunes ;D. Bet
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bebop, Thank's again I think You have helped Me make My mind up ;D
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You're welcome, grey,,glad to help when I can ;D. Bet
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Hi guys, I'm setting up my dad's Zen to work with MC on a new HTPC and I'm having some troubles which are probably very easy to solve.
I basically only installed the driver for the zen and when i plug it in XP recognizes it. The problem is that I don't see the Zen in neither explorer or MC. I guess there's probably one little Creative app or somethign to take care of that but I want to avoid installing all the junk that comes with it. So the question is: What I'm I missing?
Thanks in advance,
-Cascius
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MC Nomad Jukebox 3 plugin 9.0.47 is a snail compared to plugin 9.0.38
Luckilly i managed to revert back to 0.38.
What's the deal?
It cras frequentlly and transfer speed has droped from firewire lvl to a USB 1.1 speed
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sys info
Media Center Registered 10.0.116 -- C:\Program Files\J River\Media Center\
Microsoft Windows XP Workstation 5.1 Service Pack 1 (Build 2600)
AMD Athlon 1464 MHz MMX / Memory: Total - 523 MB, Free - 246 MB
Internet Explorer: 6.0.2800.1106 / ComCtl32.dll: 5.82 (xpsp1.020828-1920) / Shlwapi.dll: 6.00.2800.1400 / Shell32.dll: 6.00.2800.1233 (xpsp2.030604-1804) / wnaspi32.dll: N/A
Ripping / Drive R: Mode:Normal Type:Auto Speed:Max
Drive S: Mode:Normal Type:Auto Speed:Max
Drive T: Mode:Normal Type:Auto Speed:Max
Digital playback: Yes / Use YADB: Yes / Get cover art: No / Calc replay gain: Yes / Copy volume: 32767
Eject after ripping: Yes / Play sound after ripping: No
Burning / Drive R: IOMEGA CDRW64896INT-B Addr: 1:0:0 Speed:52 MaxSpeed:52 BurnProof:Yes
Test mode: No / Eject after writing: No / Direct decoding: Yes / Write CD-Text: Yes
Use playback settings: No / Normalization: None
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I just upgraded to version .47 of the plugin (with 10.0.130) for the Nomad Jukebox (1 10GB). I also am now getting very frequent crashes when activating the handheld player, particularly when the Jukebox's files are shown in the main display. The entire Media Center crashes and terminates. I hadn't transferred files from my Jukebox in a while, but this is now unusable.
-J
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cascius,
For MC to see the Nomad, you will either need to get the plugin for MC 10 or enable WMDM support by going to Tools->Options->Devices and checking the box for 'Enable WMDM support'.
jimpmc and 8styx8,
I made modifications today that will hopefully resolve your issues. Please get Nomad Plugin 9.0.48 and MC 10.0.131. In regards to upload speed, nothing has changed for this for a long time. Please rule out hardware as an issue, by testing the speed of transfer with another application and see if it is similar.
Thanks,
Steve
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Thanks Steve, I'll try that when I get a chance.
have a great friday night,
-Casicus
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Cascius:
to see the Zen in Windows Explorer, you will have to install the entire Creative MediaSource software (as well as the Creative Nomad Explorer software, go figure. I recommend not doing this if you find that MC is sufficient for your needs. In my opinion, the only advantage you will get by being able to see the Zen in Windows Explorer is that you will be able to control playback of music on the Zen via the PC, something that is not yet supported in MC.
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Steve,
I don't know what you did in the 10.0.131 release, but the the first time I can use MediaCenter and my Nomad Jukebox 3 error free. It's a beautiful thing!
Thanks,
JT
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JT,
Thanks. Glad all is well.
Steve
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Steve,
Just wanted to let you know that I upgraded to MC .134 and plugin 0.49 -- no more crashes. Thanks.
Now that I'm getting back into using the Nomad Jukebox (1), I noticed a few things were different from previous builds/versions and I couldn't find any posts through searching which discussed the changes:
1) There used to be an option to select the MediaCenter field (Artist, Album Artist, Album Artist (auto) to use for Artist on the jukebox. It was useful for multiple artist albums. Is that no longer available?
2) I couldn't see to edit any of the tags on the handheld itself. I seem to remember being able to do that at one time.
3) As previously mentioned above, I couldn't figure out a way to change a playlist on the Nomad. When I right-clicked in the playlist and hit delete to remove files from the playlist, it removed the tracks completely from the Nomad.
Thanks for your support.
-J
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J,
In MC10 we reworked all of the player synchronization features to make them consistent for all players. In the current implementation, the changeable selection of the 'Artist' field has been removed as has editing the tag info and playlist editing. The way to do this now would be to use the synchronization tool, and make whatever changes you want to your MC playlists and then allow the synchronization to automatically recreate your playlists with the correct files and tag info for you.
Steve
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Is there a way to keep MC from removing playlists I create via the Zen?
Brian Palmer
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Brian,
Not at this time.
Steve
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J,
In MC10 we reworked all of the player synchronization features to make them consistent for all players. In the current implementation, the changeable selection of the 'Artist' field has been removed as has editing the tag info and playlist editing. The way to do this now would be to use the synchronization tool, and make whatever changes you want to your MC playlists and then allow the synchronization to automatically recreate your playlists with the correct files and tag info for you.
Steve
Steve,
Following your suggestion, I tried to use the synchronization tool inconjuntion with playlists, but could not figure out how I would change it such that I could use (Multiple Artists) for the Nomad Artist field without changing the "real" tag of the files in the playlist. I have many compilation CDs that now show up on the Nomad with each individual artist listed, which makes scrolling through on the Nomad very tedious. Also, I was really surprised after trying it out that all of my existing playlists on the Nomad were wiped out. I didn't realize that was going to happen at all. Also, what does the "Sync data to MC" checkbox do?
-J
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J,
When transferring to Nomad, MC will assign whatever is in the 'Artist' field to the 'Artist' field on Nomad. You could assign 'Multiple Artist' where appropriate to your 'Artist' field in MC, but that breaks more for you than it fixes. In the future this will be improved.
If you check 'Send Playlist Data' in the synchronization dialogue, the playlists on Nomad will be deleted and recreated with the selected playlists in MC. If you deselect this, the playlists on Nomad will not be wiped out and the files in the MC playlists will be sent to Nomad, but the playlists themseleves will not be automatically created.
'Sync Data to MC' sends rating and last played information from players to MC for players that support those fields (Nomad does not).
Steve
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bebop, Thank's again I think You have helped Me make My mind up ;D
bebop .I went and did it , I bought the 40 zen xtra and so far it is the cat's meyow ;D thanks again ;D
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Grey, glad you are enjoying your Zen! Did you get the car adapter as well? I never listen to anything but my Zen on the road. ;D Bet
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I had a FM transmiter by belkin for my old rio s35s , but it does not work that great I think I will shop around to see what is on the market here. bebop I have a qustion for You , do You ever use the program that came with your zen?
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Grey, used it until I discovered MC, since then it's been MC all the way. Found that I couldn't get a better version of the Creative Media Center that came with my Zen, and had to manually create each of the folders when I ripped stuff which was really, really annoying 'cause I didn't notice this the first couple of times and had to search my drives for the files when i was putting together a slideshow of my daughters wedding. ;D Bet
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I 'm having trouble getting MC to transfer files to My zen . mc crashes even if it is only one file MC also takes for ever to open the transfer window . the soft ware that came with it works flawlessly but I would rather use MC ? IF YOUR PLAYER DOESN'T WORK -- Try our WMDM support already did this and it still not working ?
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Grey, had this problem myself, a few versions ago the wmdm just locked my system up good and tight ...am now using .134 and the latest zen plug in 9.0.49. Had to reset my Zen once or twice, but from then on was smooth sailing. Here's how I got it to work: opened mc, made sure that I had the latest plugin installed, then did a reset on the Zen (you know, where you have to push the paperclip end into the little almost invisible slot) and did a shutdown on it after it rebooted. I ten connected the Zen (mine's usb) .This automatically turned on the zen and then i checked drives & divices and checked Nomad Zen. It then initialized (you should get a pop up saying initializing, please wait). Then I was ready to sync the whole kit and kaboodle. Be sure that you have the latest drivers installed for your zen. There was a patch for the nomad detector, which was what was originally giving me problems. This is as technical as I ever get, so let me know if you get it working. :) Bet
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cascius,
For MC to see the Nomad, you will either need to get the plugin for MC 10 or enable WMDM support by going to Tools->Options->Devices and checking the box for 'Enable WMDM support'.
jimpmc and 8styx8,
I made modifications today that will hopefully resolve your issues. Please get Nomad Plugin 9.0.48 and MC 10.0.131. In regards to upload speed, nothing has changed for this for a long time. Please rule out hardware as an issue, by testing the speed of transfer with another application and see if it is similar.
Thanks,
Steve
SteveG, Sry for the long reply
I did test using CretiveMediaSOurce. Speed good. Today tested 3 diffrent plugin .38, .49 and .4something. All culled from the forum.
Again Speed was like USB1.1 not 1394
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Do you get the same result if you enable WMDM support and transfer files to your Nomad?
Steve
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I'm still having major problems with MC . If My nomad is conected to My computer MC is unusable no of the controls work at all it just freezes up . this is very anoying to say the least. what makes it more anoying is that creative media soures works so well ?
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Grey, what version are you using? I guess that you have the latest plugin and that you have unchecked the WMDM. That was giving me big problems when I tried using it. After unchecking the WMDM, I rebooted my system, installed the 9.0.49 plugin, and it worked. I found that 10.140 took a bit longer to initialize, and at first it gave me msg that the Zen was unplugged, but I kept trying and it finally saw it and all has been well since then. 10.133 and 10.134 gave me the least amount of problems, and saw the Zen right away. Hope you get yours up and running soon. Bet ps Ialso unloaded the Creative Media Center (just that - and not the drivers or the creative disc detector) - it seemed to be giving me some conflicts as it would always attempt to load first and freeze up MC.
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bebop, I'm confused ? it says on the forum to make sure you have the box for wmdm suport checked so that is what I did . so I guess I will try it this way now I will let You know
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bebop it sorta works ? I can transfer a few songs and then just when I think it's gona work it take's lunch or somthing , it did transfer a few things with no problem and I liked how it worked but ? I think I'm missing somthing ( as I scratch My head)
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Graydog,
This has the feel of a driver problem to it. I am working with Creative to try to find a way to minimize driver issues, but in the meantime.....
You appear to have had problems transferring files when you had WMDM support enabled. If this continues to be correct, try connecting with Windows Media Player and see if you have the same problems. If you do, then we have a driver incompatibility and should trouble shoot this from that angle.
Steve
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Hey , Steve thank's for the reply I ve tried the program that came with it and no problems and I also tried Musicmatch and had no problems at all I will give wmp a try and see what happens
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:( Grey, hope you get this solved. Sorry that I can't be of any more help. Steve is a great problem solver, though. He helped me get things sorted out a while back. Bet
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Thanks bebop You have been alot of help ;D Well I tried wmp and it gave me nothing but problems it just froze up and would not transfer anything . I just can't understand why Musicmatch jukebox 8.2 work's so well and Media Center does not. I can uderstand why Creative media sourse does it's the program that came with it but Musicmatch?
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Graydog,
WMP and MC with WMDM support enabled are written to be compatible with standard WMDM support from Windows. The fact that we both don't work makes it more likely than not that whatever driver you have installed for the player is incompatible with WMDM support and perhaps with the support that we have included in our plugin. You could try removing all drivers and Creative software and then get the latest drivers from Creative to try to get this to work. In the meantime I am awaiting a response from Creative to try to get a definitive way to determine if the correct drivers are installed. They have informed me they will get this done.
Steve
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Hey Steve,
When I go to my Zen through MC10 and create a play list, tracks appear to be placed on the play list in reverse order.
Brian
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Brian,
Could you clarify what you are seeing? How are you placing the tracks on the playlist? Are you right clicking on the files from within MC and selecting 'Add to playlist'?
Thanks,
Steve
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Hey Steve,
Just a moment ago I changed my view to my Zen which brought up its track list. I sorted the tracks so that I would see them in album/track order. I selected all the songs from a Love and Rockets Express album showing in order from track 1 to 11. I right clicked the first track and selected save to playlist. For playlist I typed LAR (which did not exist). MC created the playlist but the tracks list in order from 11 to 1. Seq shows 0 to 10. Does that help?
Brian
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Brian,
Thanks. This is fixed in the next MC build.
Steve
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Everyone,
MC 9.0.144 and higher will require Nomad Jukebox plugin 9.0.50. Both feature the rewrite of the upload progress into the Action Window.
Steve
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SteveG
I have a nomad zen xtr and want to be able to play music based on year and peak position that year.
As an example:
All 01 hits in 1960
I currently have
"Top 40" in Genre
"01" in Comment 1
"1960" in year.
this is not a problem in Media Center, but some of the fields are not supported in Nomad so
I want to combine the year comment1 and genre field into the genre field and have
"Top 40-1960-01"
Then I would be able to get that granularity in Nomad.
BUT
This does limit my ability to look at this info in other ways......
what about country charts and those that charted both in top 40 and country......
I am just looking for ideas...
how would i combine fields in Media Center. as the example above states?
Thanks for all your great support. What a wonderful product. It appears to be working with my Nomad.
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I have what may seem like a stupid question. I have been able to successfully create a queue of songs and transfer them to the Nomad using MC. However, I have seen several references to "synchronizing" Media Center and Nomad. Other than one setting called "auto-sync" under Options, Devices, Handheld; I cannot figure out how to sync.
I am running MC 10.0.130, Nomad Jukebox plug-in 9.0.32 just updated to 9.0.50, with a Nomad Jukebox Zen Xtra 30MB.
Thanks,
Michael
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Michael,
You have a very old version of the Plugin. Try getting MC 10.0.144 and Nomad Plugin 9.0.50. When you do, right click on your Nomad Jukebox in the MC tree and select the option for 'Synchronization'.
Steve
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Steve:
Thank youy for the amazingly quick response! I had updated the plug-in after posting (sorry). I was able to find MC 10.0.139, but not 10.0.144.
Michael
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The latest build of MC is always in a thread near the top of this board.
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:( help...am having a strange problem with the zen. Using latest build and plugin. When in zen view, click on albums - get a crash and a msg that media core encounterd a problem and had to close. Ok, tried again...clicked on artists - same crash and msg. Tried again - clicked on genre's - worked, clicked on playlists. worked. hummmmm - curiouser and curiouser. Tried a fresh boot for the computer. Still had the same problem. Any ideas as to how to fix this? Bet
Media Center Registered 10.0.145 -- C:\Program Files\J River\Media Center\
Microsoft Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 1 (Build 2600)
Intel Pentium 4 2486 MHz MMX / Memory: Total - 1048 MB, Free - 765 MB
Internet Explorer: 6.0.2800.1106 / ComCtl32.dll: 5.82 (xpsp1.020828-1920) / Shlwapi.dll: 6.00.2800.1400 / Shell32.dll: 6.00.2800.1233 (xpsp2.030604-1804) / wnaspi32.dll: N/A
Ripping / Drive F: ATAPI DVD DUAL 8X4X12 Mode:Normal Type:Auto Speed:Max
Drive G: SONY CD-RW CRX230E Mode:Normal Type:Auto Speed:Max
Digital playback: Yes / Use YADB: Yes / Get cover art: Yes / Calc replay gain: Yes / Copy volume: 32767
Eject after ripping: Yes / Play sound after ripping: No
Burning / Drive F: ATAPI DVD DUAL 8X4X12 Addr: 3:0:0 Speed:24 MaxSpeed:24 BurnProof:Yes
Drive G: SONY CD-RW CRX230E Addr: 3:1:0 Speed:52 MaxSpeed:52 BurnProof:Yes
Test mode: No / Eject after writing: Yes / Direct decoding: Yes / Write CD-Text: Yes
Use playback settings: No / Normalization: None
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bebop,
If you can repeat the crash every time you expand albums, there may be a problem with an album you recently imported. Nothing has changed recently in this code. Try to isolate some new albums and remove them from the Zen and see if the problem goes away. If it does, we can troubleshoot this by seeing what is going on with that particular album.
Steve
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bebop, sounds strange forsure . playlist and genre work fine but artist and albums do not . did You try going back to 10.0.144?
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ok tried it again, and this time just the artists view made it crash. checked the view and lo and behold there was a weird file name - instead of unknown, it now read (can't find the symbol on my keyboard...looks like a box) box boxunknown. when I tried to open this file, it crashed Mc. So opened MC again and tried again - this time the weird file was boxonny Mathis. could this be a virus or something? Can I get my virus scanner to check my zen ? Bet
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This sounds like a drive that is going bad.
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Jim, how do I check for a bad drive? I reformatted the zen ('cause I couldn't get the virus scanner to check it, so thought that might do the trick). Replaced all the files and it still did the same thing. This time it was another folder with the weird symbols - a Y with dots above and a box thing. Ran a virus scan on the computer first, and nothing showed up, but will do it over again. I noticed that the cup seems to be running a bit warmer than usual, could this be causing the problem? Thanks for all the help. Bet
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now I am really confused! Did a virus scan, did an uninstall, re-install, even tried an uninstall and re-install with an earlier version. That strange file is still there. I removed all the newest files from the zen and MC, did a sync and sure enough, there it was again. this file does not occur on the zen...i checked them all out with explorer and WMP. They all show up fine there and I can click on each folder and it opens correctly. But when I go to MC, open Artists and scroll down to the bottom, there it is - a file that is sometimes listed as y(with little dots above it) box onny rogers, or box box onny Rogers. This file does not show up if I do a search using the albums rule nor does it show up on the Zen itself and it crashes if I try to open or delete it. Any idea how I can get rid of this thing? Any ideas as to what it could be? Thanks in advance helping solve this conundrum. Bet
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Bet,
I have seen a similar problem when there was a corrupt file on Nomad Jukebox. I created code to handle this, but yours may be corrupted in a way that I am not handling. I will drop you an email on this.
Steve
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hi guys!
sorry for the double posting...(i put one in the general folder by mistake) . everybody keeps talking about the Nomad Plugin etc...but it dosent say anything anywhere how to get the new version (the one in the main dl area is version 9.0.38)..i find it very confusing for new users and new zen owners, can someone guide me to where to dl it...and for future people can it be explained more clearly :-[ :-[? thx alot
zeltak
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zeltak,
Here is the link....
http://accessories.musicex.com/mediacenter/accessories.php
When you are at the handheld plugin page, you must select Media Center version 10.
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thx for the reply steveG, it really helped ! ;D
zeltak
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There is a new plugin available for Nomad with a fix for some data corruption that could have occured for files with long (over 120 character) tag info. It will not be available from the plugin page for a week, but can be downloaded by clicking this link.....
http://accessories.musicex.com/mediacenter/mc_data/plugins/temp/hh_jukeboxzen.mjp
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Possibly some newbie questions......
1. How do I get Media Center to transfer a playlist to the Zen? I can Sync files, but I see no options for "send playlist" as I read earlier in the thread
2. Files that need conversion get uploaded on every sync, creating duplicates on the Zen. Am I doing something wrong?
Thanks in advance.
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Hey there, here's how I sync my playlists to my Zen: I create the playlists in MC, then choose Nomad Jukebox in the left hand pane, choose sync files, choose which playlists I want from the list and check the box at the bottom to send playlist data. Never having had to conver any files ( mine are all ripped MP3 VBR), I can only tell you how I check for duplicates and delete them. I open the Nomad Jukebox from the left hand pane, go to the search box (Upper right of screen), choose add modifier, choose duplicates, and in the field I use [name],[artist] . this brings up any duplicates and I then delete them. Hope this helps. B
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Thanks b
Your duplicate locator will help, but I must be either missing something, or V11 (Which I'm using) has a vastly different interface. When I click on the Nomad in the action window, I get 3 options: transfer files, sync playlist, and sync all files. None of them seem to transfer the playlist itself.
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Sorry that I couldn't help, am not familiar with ver. 11 (not brave enough to try an Alpha), but do recall reading that all the plugins might not work yet. Perhaps Steve G. will be able to give you some insight to this. B
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I have not had any luck with sync my zen to 11 but do sync all the time in 10, so he is probably right and the plugin may not work as yet. Good Luck
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Hi Gary
I guess I've had more luck than you, as most things are working. Just not the playlists! (and the converted files). I guess We'll have to let SteveG weigh in on this.
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Did you have the playlist working on 10
Mine works fine on 10
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funnyguy1964,
In MC v 11, click on the 'sync playlists' option in the Action Window. When you do this, you will see a tree in which you can select whichever playlists you would like to sync.
Steve
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Thanks Steve... but that's what I do! Again - the tracks make it over, but the lists don't.
And I just got this thing - never tried it with v10
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funnyguy1964,
Can you try again with MC 11.0.70. Also, be sure you are selecting 'Sync Playlists' not 'Sync All Files'.
Steve
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Hi Steve. Tried with 11.070 - I saw a new message at the end of the sync process, but the results were the same. I selected a new playlist (one I hadn't previously synced). THe files made it over, but the list itself didn't.
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I have confirmed that MC 11 will not transfer playlists when requested.
Everything seemed to work fine. I chose 1 playlist and chose to download playlist and the songs were downloaded cleanly but no playlists. Then I downloaded an album not associated with playlists and that was ok. Lastly I synced the original playlist and 1 additional. All songs were downloaded, but no playlists.
Are we doing something wrong?
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Sorry, I am running MC 11.70
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OK here's the deal.
After syncing and when I go to close MC11 I get the following error message.
"Media Jukebox.exe application error
The instruction at "0x02fd1519" referrenced memory at "0x03012f40" the memory could not be read"
click on ok to terminate the program.
I do not get the error when I close MC70 without syncing to the zen.
Hope this helps
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I get this same MC error after syncing, although before you mentioned it, I hadn't associated it with the plugin.
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I am majorly overhauling the MC 11 Portable code. Please hold on MC 11 issues until next week when the reworked version is released and we can troubleshoot from there.
Thanks.
Steve
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No problem waiting here. Should we watch this space or the main forum?
Thanks for your efforts.
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I will post in the history file for MC 11 and here as well.
Thanks,
Steve
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Thanks Steve,
This will be fine with me as well.
I will reload from 10 and review next week.
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That's greata Steve, I'm drooling to get album artist [auto] syncing again!
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Steve,
do you have any news on the interface between MC11 and zen?
Just checking, didn't want you to forget...... just kidding...
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TXGary,
Not forgotten. It is getting closer to being ready for Alpha release.
Steve
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I am not pushing, just thought I may have missed something.
We want it right and that takes time.
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A few more observations about why my playlists might not be syncing.
I've got all sorts of different formats (mp3, ape, flac, wma) in my library. Inevitably, my playlists will have a few "non-zen" type formats, which should be fine because MC will convert them on the fly. There appears to be a couple of problems with this.
I think that the initial synchronization comparison is done on the pre-converted file, so even if I've already synchronized, it's comparing .mp3 extensions to .ape (or others), and then transfers the file again.
It also seems that the playlist can't be created on the ZEN because of these files (the list that gets transferred to the ZEN contains unsupported file types), and then the list never gets created.
Is it possible to change the routine to do eliminate the extension from both areas?
I also frequently get transfer errors that state the file is not opened with rights for synching, and that I have no idea about.
Just a few thoughts.
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I think that the initial synchronization comparison is done on the pre-converted file, so even if I've already synchronized, it's comparing .mp3 extensions to .ape (or others), and then transfers the file again.
That is not how it works. MC compares the file's Name, Artist, Album, Genre and Tracknumber and if they are the same, MC does not resend the file.
It also seems that the playlist can't be created on the ZEN because of these files (the list that gets transferred to the ZEN contains unsupported file types), and then the list never gets created.
If the list contains unsupported file types, are you sure you have enabled the option to convert the files?
I also frequently get transfer errors that state the file is not opened with rights for synching, and that I have no idea about.
Try isolating a file that gives this error and try transferring it with another application. It may not have transfer rights which would be a problem.
Steve
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Thanks Steve.
I don't have the force conversion option turned on... I assumed that it would automatically convert anything that wasn't supported, and that "forcing" it would perform a convert even if it wasn't necessary. I imagine this may be at the root of my roubles (except the last one).
I'll do some more testing and let you know.
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OK, I downloaded the latest alpha (84), I've got conversion turned on, forcing everything to MP3, and I now have a number of problems and observations.
1. MC thinks that my Zen only has 2.1 GB available. This severely limits my syncing options! :). I have the 60 GB model. Any idea what's up there?
2. When syncing, I very frequently received the popup window "The action cannot be completed because the other program is busy". Clicking on retry would allow it to move forward, but it appeared to pop up on every file that required conversion. On a hunch, I cancelled the sync halfway through, and changed the converter to MP3 VBR (I was using MP3 at 192). But it didn't appear to make any difference. However VBR is intolerably slow (unusably so).
3. When forcing conversion, does it take into consideration the bitrate as well as the format, and convert files to a higher bitrate? It appears that the space required calculation assumes that all files will be at the given bitrate (with 192 selected at least).
4. I am still seeing some "File is opened woithout permissions to transfer errors, but they don't appear to be consistent - they don't occur on the same files each time.
5. The playlist itself still does not appear on the Zen, although the "syncing playlist info" does come up at the end of a transfer.
Sorry to be full of bad news!
Thanks in advance for any insight.
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One more addendum....
After successfully syncing a playlist, I clicked synchronize again, and it attempts to transfer, and it starts sending files again. I hit cancel, but any of the files that were successful show up twice on the Zen.
I must have something seriously screwed up.....
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funnyguy1964,
1. MC thinks that my Zen only has 2.1 GB available. This severely limits my syncing options! . I have the 60 GB model. Any idea what's up there?
Please confirm with another application wheter or not this size report is accurate.
2. When syncing, I very frequently received the popup window "The action cannot be completed because the other program is busy..."
I made changes in the next build that hopefully resolve this. I do not see this message.
3. When forcing conversion, does it take into consideration the bitrate as well as the format, and convert files to a higher bitrate? It appears that the space required calculation assumes that all files will be at the given bitrate (with 192 selected at least).
If you have the option selected to skip same file types, the next build will correctly take that into account when estimating available space. If files already exist on the Zen, they will not be transferred and are not in the calculation of available space.
4. I am still seeing some "File is opened woithout permissions to transfer errors, but they don't appear to be consistent - they don't occur on the same files each time.
Can you give me the exact wording of this error?
5. The playlist itself still does not appear on the Zen, although the "syncing playlist info" does come up at the end of a transfer.
This could be due to a failure to transfer the files associated with this playlist.
It appears you have a couple of issues going on here, some of which may not be MC's. Please respond to item 1 and we can go from there. Also, try to sync a playlist without converting files and see if that works for you.
Steve
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Thanks Steve
Well starting with #1.... the Creative MediaSource organizer appears to recognize the correct amount of storage space. I hadn't tried syncing with it before, but when I did, I noticed that it is also a LOT faster, probably by a factor of about 5.
Also - just further to the "server is busy" popup message - I suspect that it is related to the LAME encoder, as I don't get the message if i try to convert everything to WMA.
I grabbed the latest MC build, but unfortunately, It can't access the Zen at all, and trying to do so crashes MC (see the post in the main forum). I'll try it as soon as the next build/fix is available.
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I have a Nomad Jukebox 3 and am having problems with MC 11.0.85 and v 9.0.54 of the Nomad plugin. I keep getting "Server Busy" errors when trying to look at files on the Nomad or transfer files to it. I have to click "Retry" several times to get out of it but it is not very feasible to sit there and respond to this dialog every minute or so when transferring thousands of songs.
Also, when looking at files on the Nomad it lists "0" files when I click on a Genre. It doesn't list any files until I drill down all the way to an Album. This makes it impossible to see how many files are in a Genre, for example. Is this normal? Thanks.
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Steve, should I be using the MC10 Zen plugin for MC11 (WinXP)? I tried syncing the Zen with MC11 without downloading/installing a plugin, but it wouldn't connect.
Just saw the post about .85 & Zens. When I download the next v of MC11, will it automatically fetch and install the correct plugin for the Zen, or will I have to do that manually?
Thanks,
Nolo
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At the risk of being wrong.......
Yes, it will go and fetch the appropriate plugin automatically, but it's not specific to the ZEN, it's the same for any handheld device now.
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Thanks, FG, I guess I'll have to wait for the next build, because now, though MC11 recognizes that there's a Zen hooked up, it won't read the contents (I get the server busy error message).
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Everyone with MC 11,
Please go to Tools->Plugins->Handhelds and remove the Nomad Jukebox plugin. Then, get tonight's build of MC 11 (11.0.86) and it should automatically install the latest plugin (11.0.03). Then, all should begin to be better. Please report any remaining issues and I will work on them tomorrow.
Thanks,
Steve
PS If anyone has a Nomad Jukebox Zen (not the Xtra or NX) could you please tell me the exact name that appears in the MC tree? Tonight's build may not run the correct plugin for Zen but this can be fixed without a new build if I have the exact name.
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:)
Yup - Everything appears to be working nicely here!
Way to go Steve. Greatly appreciated.
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Just one little thing.....
In my exuberance, I've queued up about 500 tracks, and let 'er rip. It appears to be running admirably, and FAST. However, every once in a while I encounter the following error:
"132 Cancel Remaining File Transfer?"
To which I can select no, and it carries on. It may be happening when my system is being taxed.
Apart from that, it's all working nicely.
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funnyguy,
132 correlates to an error returned by Nomad which means 'Failure to open file'. In other words, there is a failure to open the file to initiate the copy of the data to Nomad. I am not sure why you are seeing this. It is a valid error and not simply the program being flaky. Can you try to isolate a file where you see this and send it to me? If not, try to see a pattern in when you see it or give me whatever else you can to come up with a guess as to why you see this. What OS are you running?
Steve
PS I have not had other reports of this which may mean that it is something peculiar about your files or system.
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SteveG wrote
Please go to Tools->Plugins->Handhelds and remove the Nomad Jukebox plugin
SteveG - Does this cause a problem in MC 10? As I am running both until the sync and a few other things get worked out.... I would like to drop 10, but have not at this point.
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TXgary,
It should not. It should remove the plugin from MC 11, but not from 10.
Steve
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Everyone with MC 11,
Please go to Tools->Plugins->Handhelds and remove the Nomad Jukebox plugin. Then, get tonight's build of MC 11 (11.0.86) and it should automatically install the latest plugin (11.0.03). Then, all should begin to be better. Please report any remaining issues and I will work on them tomorrow.
I did exactly this but it never installed the plugin for my Nomad Jukebox 3 when I connected it. Do you have a link to the latest plugin? Thanks.
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Hi Steve
I'm going to try a re-sync tonight and see if I get the error again. If a few files failed the first time around then those should be the ones to try to resync, so we'll see if there's a pattern. Again, it could have been as a result of my system getting overtaxed.
I'm running WinXP Pro SP2.
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cncb,
The plugin will not get installed for Nomad Jukebox 3 until I update an internal file to check for it. In order to do that, I need the exact name of the player as it appears in the MC tree when you expand devices in MC. Can you tell me that please? (we do not have a Jukebox 3 here for me to confirm this information).
Thanks,
Steve
Funnyguy,
Thanks. Lets check in tomorrow.
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Steve,
I'm not sure if this will be a problem, but it seems to append the "owner" name to the name of the player in the MC tree. So, for me it shows:
"NOMAD Jukebox 3 (Craig)"
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Steve
I had a pretty major system meltdown last night, and as a result, I've been unable to test much further. I did get a chance to try a resync first though, and a few files came up with that same error.
As soon as I'm back up, I'll chase it further
John
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John,
Thanks. Let me know. Sorry about the system melt.
cncb,
Thanks. I already disregard the 'owner' name so that won't matter. Tonight's build should support Nomad Jukebox 3
Steve
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The appropriate plugin was donwloaded and overall has worked quite well. A few things I noticed:
1) I have had some random "146" errors (download error). It happens for no apparent reason with say 5 out of 400 files. No matter if I respond to cancel the remaining downloads it keeps going anyways.
2) If it finds duplicate files, I get the warning dialog to skip, replace, etc. but it shows it multiple times during a sync even if I select "Apply to All". Also, it would be nice if it could detect the duplicate file before it converted the source file.
Thanks.
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Hi Steve
I'm back up and running. With a new MB, CPU, and fresh install of Windows, so we know it's pretty clean (luckily, I back up my library automatically, so I retrieved it).
Did a new sync and I still got that error on 2 files, although they seem unrelated. If you like, I can mail them to you if you'd like to let me know your email address.
Aprt from that, it's working like a dream. Loving my playlists on the Zen.
John
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cncb,
I will take a look at this next week.
John,
If you could email me one of those files, that would be great.
Thanks.
steve @ jriver.com
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Hi Steve.
I'd send you those files, but I'd be wasting your time. It turns out that the files in question were bad entries in my library pointing at files that didn't exist. I've corrected that, and there's now no problem.
I've noticed something else though. Initially, when synchronizing, the status line and the file line run together in the action window -you can't read it.
Also - I have another library for audio books. if I transfer files from that library, it wipes out my playlist (the files are still there). Is this known behaviour?
Thanks
John
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cncb,
Try deleting the Nomad Jukebox plugin that you have (under Tools->Plugin Manager->Handheld) and install tonight's build of MC 11 which will automatically install a new plugin. The '146' error is what Creative reports if their WMDM is not intialized. What filetypes are these files? WMA? Regardless, if you cancel the remaining transfers, the transfer should stop. It does for me with the latest build so please try again with tonight's build.
2) If it finds duplicate files, I get the warning dialog to skip, replace, etc. but it shows it multiple times during a sync even if I select "Apply to All". Also, it would be nice if it could detect the duplicate file before it converted the source file.
When you see the warning dialogue, what option are you selecting (e.g. skip, replace, etc)? This dialogue generally should never show up. Are you seeing a warning about duplicates before you transfer (before the actual transfer starts)? You should.
The definition of duplicates between MC and a Portable is based on matching Name, Artist, Album, Genre and Track Number. Nomad calls files duplicates even if they have different Track Numbers and the other fields are the same. This could be causing the faulty results for you.
John,
The run together lines in the Action Window is fixed in tonight's build.
I have another library for audio books. if I transfer files from that library, it wipes out my playlist (the files are still there). Is this known behaviour?
How are you transfering the files? If drag and drop, this should not happen. If synching, this could happen becuase at the end of a sync you should have only the selected playlists on the player.
Steve
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Hi Steve
Yup - I'm syncing. Would it be possible to make this another option? Here's a case where I'd like playlists from both libraries to reside on the Zen.
Thanks
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Steve,
1) These are WMA lossless files being coverted to lower bitrate WMA. I was able to do a second sync after the first with the few failures and they all synched fine on the second attempt so this is not a big deal.
2) This dialog I think was displayed because I had old files on the Nomad that I had synched with an older version of Media Center. If I chose replace, it would not show the dialog for the next attempted synch for that file, but if I chose skip it would keep showing it during each attempted synch until I replaced the file. No matter what option I chose, it showed the dialog for every file during the same synch even when I chose apply to all. I did not see a warning before the transfer with these files, only after the conversion of the file and right before the transfer.
In any case, I am now all synched up so I don't expect to run into these problems again.
Thanks,
-Craig
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John,
In the latest version of MC 11 you can drag and drop a playlist onto your Nomad. This will prevent playlist deletions like you would see if you were synching.
Craig,
If I chose replace, it would not show the dialog for the next attempted synch for that file, but if I chose skip it would keep showing it during each attempted synch until I replaced the file.
This is what I think it should do.
No matter what option I chose, it showed the dialog for every file during the same synch even when I chose apply to all.
I do not see this. If 'Apply to All' is checked, the dialogue with options for 'Skip', etc. should not reappear. If you still see it, please confirm that you have the latest version of MC 11 and whether or not you see it if 'Skip' and 'Apply to all' are selected.
Thanks,
Steve
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Hey there Steve, just upgraded to MC 11, and it doesn't even see my Zen...am I doing something wrong? I had the old plugin for MC 10 at first, but it hung up the system, so uninstalled that plug in (although it accurately saw the Zen, just wouldn't open the tree - just hung everything) as advised in the thread . Uninstalled 11, reinstalled the newest version 11.0.93 and no plugin for the Zen appeared. there is one for Portable drives and one for the WMDM's. What did I do wrong? ?
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Ok, did the uninstall, reinstall thing about 12 times and still no go...if there's something I'm missing here....is there a post of the plugin that I have somehow missed? Am willing to shell out my cash as soon as I get the Zen up and running.... :-\
Listening to: 'You Don't Have To Cry' from 'Hawaiian Kine' by 'Yasmeen & Justin' on Media Center 11
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I am back to having problems with the sync of my nomad. Now it does not recognize it. I am on MC11.93. Had great luck earlier but not this time. I sometimes get "program already busy" or just nothing. Does not show the Nomad Zen and if I click on "handheld player" I get 3 choices, but when I click on sync playlists it shows me to be over in my zen (-11.6 gb available after sync). I get this when I turn off the zen. So back to problems with zen. Should I delete the plugin and wait an install the next release???
I was so happy with the progress, but appears to be for naught.
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TXgary,
It appears that MC is recognizing the nomad but not running the plugin. Please get the next version which modifies how this happens and report if you still have problems.
Thanks,
Steve
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Steve - have followed the instructions in the thread regarding removing the plugin, and then installing the latest version of MC 11, but even after five tries, I still can't see my zen. I either get no plugin at all or the one for version 10. At first I was just trying the last build, but even went back to 11.00.84 and then following the instructions, and still no go. Can you help? What am I missing? Thanks Bet
Media Center 11.0.93 -- D:\J River\Media Center 11\
Microsoft Windows XP Workstation 5.1 Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
Intel Pentium 4 2521 MHz MMX / Memory: Total - 1048 MB, Free - 607 MB
Internet Explorer: 6.0.2900.2180 / ComCtl32.dll: 5.82 (xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-2158) / Shlwapi.dll: 6.00.2900.2180 (xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-2158) / Shell32.dll: 6.00.2900.2180 (xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-2158) / wnaspi32.dll: N/A
Ripping / Drive F: Mode:Normal Type:Auto Speed:Max
Drive G: Mode:Normal Type:Auto Speed:Max
Digital playback: Yes / Use YADB: Yes / Get cover art: Yes / Calc replay gain: Yes / Copy volume: 32767
Eject after ripping: Yes / Play sound after ripping: No
Burning / Drive F: ATAPI DVD DUAL 8X4X12 Addr: 1:0:0 Speed:24 MaxSpeed:24 BurnProof:Yes
Drive G: SONY CD-RW CRX230E Addr: 1:1:0 Speed:52 MaxSpeed:52 BurnProof:Yes
Test mode: No / Eject after writing: Yes / Direct decoding: Yes / Write CD-Text: Yes
Use playback settings: No / Normalization: None
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Bet and TXGary,
Please post the exact name for your Zen as it appears in the MC tree and I will make modifications to get MC to automatically run the plugin.
Thanks,
Steve
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Steve...it doesn't even show up on the tree! I have an plain old Zen USB 2, 60 gig.
To continue from the MC11 thread...I didn't manually install any plugins, Steve, just the plug in that show up (in shadow) when i installed MC11 was the 9.0.54 - not the one you mentioned in the thread. This, on the very first try, showed my Zen as Nomad Jukebox Zen, then crashed when I tried to open it. Then when I reopened MC, it wouldn't even see the Zen. Then I uninstalled, rebooted, reinstalled and there was the 9.0.54 back, which I uninstalled. I then uninstalled the MC11(had been trying the lastest version) rebooted and then tried installing ver 11.084 and following the instructions you laid out re: remove the plugin, and then install the 11.086 version. Still no go. The zen acts like it's working (ie: the file working via computer screen shows up on the zen), but zen it just won't show up on the tree at all. Bet
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bebop,
Can WMP see the Zen? If so what does it say the name is?
Steve
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Steve, Nope...it just keeps saying press F5 to refresh, no players detected (it's WMP 10, by the way). The Zen screen shows the same screen it does when it's connected in MC 10, though nothing is happening. Bet
Update: did a reset of the zen, and now it shows up in WMP, but takes about 4 minutes to bring up the content list, but then hangs and won't open any of the item in the tree (content, artists, albums). The name appeared as follows: NOMAD Jukebox Zen. If I try to open both WMP and MC!! - it crashes both big time....even task mgr won't close either of them. Sigh.
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Update: Now the Zen appears on the tree in MC11, but it hangs for quite some time, then the server busy msg came up and clicking on it didn't help (usually a few clicks did the trick in MC 10) the whole shebang froze solid and even doing the task mgr thingie took along time to end the program (showed MC11,Media Center WMDM process as running, but not responding). Will keep trying. Bet
update: checked the plugins screen, and it says it is version 9.0.54 - and if I connect the zen, everything hangs and then freezes solid as a rock. If I remove the plugin that's listed, the program no longer hangs, but it doesn't see the zen either, even if I reboot and reset the zen. Numerous trys with WMP have the Zen recognized and I can get the contents list to open, but it takes forever and then seems to hang and won't open anything else on the tree there.
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bebop,
The hanging with both MC and WMP sounds like a driver problem. Try uninstalling and reinstalling the drivers for the Zen to see if that helps.
Steve
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Steve, uninstalled and reinstalled the drivers for the Zen (used the lastest ones from Creative - 1.20.04c) and still the problem persists. Ten out of ten times, this is what happened: I uninstalled MC11 (including the libraries), reinstalled after rebooting the system. Then opened WMP and connected the Zen...it took four long minutes, but there it was, and it took another munute to open just the genre tree, but it worked. So unplugged the zen, opened MC11, checked the plugins page (this time there was no listing for the Zen at all), plugged in the Zen and the whole thing locked up. It wouldn't close, it wouldn't open anything else or even stop playing if I started playing a track before plugging in the Zen. it works fine in MC 10. Just to be sure, I made sure that all other programs were closed (except the windowblinds) for each trial. I even tried doing a reset of the zen, and still no go. Bet
ps went to the creative site and did an autoupdate just to be sure I had the latest driver installed for the zen, but it made no difference. It still locks up when I plug in the Zen
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bebop,
The next buld of MC will have a feature that will help. When it is avaialable (probably today) you can go to File->Open URL and type 'ShowDeviceID' . AFter doing this, when you click on your Zen in the tree, it will show a dialogue with a name which is important for me to know. When you send me that name, I will be sure to add it to a part of MC which will then install the correct plugin for your player. At that point we can troubleshoot the plugin. I have experienced the long pauses you describe on certain PCs using the WMDM (non-plugin) part of our code and it is a Creative driver issue which you can try to troubleshoot with them, but I have not been able to get it resovled.
Steve
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Steve, followed your instructions to the letter. Here's the scoop: when I plugged in the Zen, it showed up on the tree as NOMAD jukebox Zen, and a box popped up at lower left of screen advising the handheld player was connected and showed both the Memory Stick and NOMAD Jukebox Zen. BUT a warning the "Media Center is unable to initialize the desired handheld. Ensure that it is connected and turned on." also popped up. The Zen was both connected and turned on. I opened the URL>ShowDeviceID, chose ok and then clicked on the Zen in the tree...and nothing, zip, zilch, nada :( Bet
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bebop,
After you open MC, type 'ShowDeviceID' first and then click on Nomad in the tree and look for the dialogue.
Thanks,
Steve
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Steve, did that a few dozen times...even tried having the Zen already plugged in and then opening MC, typing in the msg, and then clicking on the zen. No go either way, and after each try I have to reset the ZEn, or it doesn't show up at all, but at least nothing is frozen this time. However, I did install this build over the last one, and will do an uninstall/reinstall now and let you know the results. Bet
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Update: did the uninstall/reinstall thing. Still no go. Can't get any msg other than the failed to initialize warning to come up. However, the right pane flickers almost like it is resetting itself (I will check this further, to see if it happens just when the right pane is at the forum or if it happens with all the screens). another good thing, the Zen no longer reguires a reset between trials to initialize. It takes a few seconds, but then appears on the tree (one can't open the tree, mind you, without getting that nice warning msg about being unable to initialize!) Bet
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Bet,
Be sure that when MC starts up it is not selecting an item in the tree that is below Devices (in other words, don't use the last location).
Steve
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Steve. it was opening at the start page for half of the tries and the playing now page for the other half. I tried A)opening MC, opening the url dialogue box and typing in the msg, then plugging in the Zen and then clicking on it (result: two msgs warning that it failed to initialize), B) opening mc, plugging in the Zen, then opening the url dialogue box and typing in the msg, then clicking on the Zen (result: two warning msgs that zen wasn't initialized). C): plugging in the Zen, turning it on, then opening MC, opening the url dialogue box, typing in the msg, then clicking on the zen (result: a msg when first opens that zen is not initialized and then a second msg about not being initialized when clicking on the zen in the tree) Sorry. :( Bet
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Bet,
Never mind about the ShowDevice ID. I need to know the exact name of the Zen in the tree. Above you mentioned 'NOMAD jukebox Zen'. Is that correct with the lower case 'j' for jukebox?
Steve
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Steve - nope it's NOMAD Jukebox Zen on the tree. Bet
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Bet,
Delete your Nomad Jukebox Plugin. Then, close MC and use Explorer to browse to your 'Plugins' folder under Media Center 11. Delete the file called PDT.xml. When you run MC 11 again, a new PDT.xml which I just modified will download which will include the ability to automatically install the correct plugin for players such as yours.
Please get this far and let me know how it is going.
Thanks,
Steve
PS Happy Thanksgiving
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Oh yes, it is a Happy thanksgiving!!! ;D ;D It worked!!! Yeah!!! Now, where do i send the wine and chocolates??!! Everything seems to open ok...haven't tried syncing yet, have to get a couple of new CD's and try this baby out!! Thanks Steve. Bet
Update: the sync went beautifully!!! Thanks again. Bet
ps...what happened to the disconnect Nomad box?
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Glad it all worked out.
The 'Disconnect Nomad' box should not be necessary. MC should detect the disconnect automatically. Having said that, let me test this a little more before you start connecting and disconnecting in the middle of a variety of actions.
PS 'Wine and chocolates' is how you celebrate Canadian Thanksgiving??? Americaners just do dumb old Turkey.
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Siilly boy, Wine and chocolates are for everyday celebrations (we have both world class choclatiers and wineries here on the Island) and I outlined this years menu in the media center thread! ;D Bet
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Hey guys,
A friend of mine just got a Nomad Zen Touch, 20gigs, and MC shows a capacity of only 1.6gigs...
What can he do to fix it?
UPDATE: He just upgraded to the latest build (11.00.95) and now MC doesn't recognize the ZEN anymore. :(
MC gives him a message saying "unable to initialize the desired handheld" and then crashes
Any clues?
Thanks,
-Cascius
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MattG
Still having problems connecting my nomad zen. It worked at one time with MC11, but not now....
When I connect the zen I get a Server Busy message
The message is "The action cannot be completed because the other program is busy. Choose "switch to" to activate the busy program and correct the problem". I select "switch to" but it takes me to the "start" screen.
I thought it was a problem with my computer, but I also get the same message on my laptop. What is causing the problem? When I click on retry multiple (40 - 50 times) it shows analyzing for a moment then returns to the above msg.
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cascius,
Try deleting whatever plugin you have installed for Nomad Jukebox (Tools->Plugin Manager-. Handheld). Then, close MC and go to your Media Center 11/Plugins directory. Delete a file called PDT.xml. Rerun MC and the correct plugin should install automatically and you should be all set. FYI , in addition, the next build of MC will still allow your Zen Touch to run without a plugin, but it will be through a generic WMDM interface. Still better than not running at all.
TXGary,
If you are getting the 'Server Busy' when your first attach your device, the next build of MC 11 will hopefully solve this. If not, please tell me exactly what you do before you see this message.
Thanks,
Steve
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SteveG
It is interesting, I get the server busy after connceting the zen. The zen shows syncing, so I then click on drives and devices and that is when I get the server busy msg. I click retry several times then I get the analyzing Devices for a short period then bact to server busy.
If I try to click on Handheld at the bottom and not drives and devices I get the server busy and nothing else - even tried clicking on the retry 100 time.
I am bring up MJ11 prior to connecting my zen. My zen is off but comes on immediately and goes into sync mode. After I shout douw MJ by Windows task manager (the only way possible) I can bring up MJ11, but when I connect the zen, I do not get the sync mode on the screen. I have to reboot XP before I can try again.
I am not sure what the correct way to connect the zen is, but this appears to be right. I will try to connect before bringing up MJ11.
If I connect the zen before bringing up MJ11, I get the beep that it is connected and the zen comes on, but as soon as I bring up MJ11 I get the server busy. All is cool until I bring up MJ11.
I will wait on the next build. Thanks for all your help. Let me know what I can do to help. I was out of pocket all week til today.
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OK with newest release of MC11, I am am to sync my nomad. But I had to reset it and start from scratch. I had synced with MC11 many releases ago. Anyway it appears to be working. Will let you know it I experience problems.
When I first connected it showed I was over on the space on the zen. And did not show the Nomad as a drive. after I cleaned the data off the zen and reset it all appears to work fine. Again thanks for all your hard work.
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MattG
Half way thru 1500 of 3000 to sync it still comes up with the msg "Cancel remaining downloads" yes or no. I selected No and it continued on. Not finished yet but moving that direction.
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The sync completed with 3150 songs synced to the zen.
All appears to have worked fine.
But.....
No way (that I can see) to disconnect the zen. If I disconnect while MC11 is up I get an immediate shutdown of MC11.
And If I shutdown MC11 while the zen is still plugged in I get it shutdown but I get an addressing error.
All seems to be ok even with the aborts.
Is there a way to unplug the zen realtime?
Good job. we can now sync.
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TXgary,
You should be able to unplug the Zen without a crash. I do not see one here, but I am using what will be in today's build of MC 11 which includes some modifications which could affect this. Please try again with today's build and let me know what happens if you unplug the Zen while MC is running, or if you close MC with the Zen attached.
Thanks,
Steve
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Steve, will do. Thanks so much.
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Steve, just a note: if one uninstalls and reinstalls MC11, and has MC10 with the last Zen plug in for it, MC11 gives a message that the plugin has not been downloaded and locks up. If you uninstall/reinstall and first check the plugins in options, the old one (for MC10) is listed. If you delete it and then plug in the Zen, the correct plugin loads just fine. This happened five out of five times. Thanks Bet
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Bet,
Thanks for the post. We will take a look at this and come up with a fix.
Steve
*Edit. This should be resolved in today's build.
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SteveG
Running MC 11105 and sync works great EXCEPT
It does NOT sync Playlists or I cannot find where to check to sync.
It syncs the files in the playlists but does not sync the playlists themeslves.
I probably missed something in an earlier release that told me things have changes, but I did not see where to select playlist.
Also still get te msg "2560 Cancel remaining file transfers" Yes or No
This occurs about half way thru each time.
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TXgary,
To sync playlists, click on your device in the Action Window and select 'Synchronize'. Any playlists you select should then be created on your device. Alternately, you can drag and drop a playlist onto the name of your player in the MC tree and then when you transfer the files, the playist should be created.
In reagards to '2560', the next build of MC will install an updated plugin which will give the name of the file that is causing the problem. With that name, we can identify the file and you can email it to me to test. '2560' is a Creative error that implies an audiofile format error, so I will be curious as to what type of file is giving you this error.
Steve
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Sorry, It does not work that way.
I click on my handheld
then click on nomad zen
then click on synchronize
then select the playlists
then click on Transfer
I get "Duplicate files question" I say replace
then ok the box
Then 256 cancel remaining file transfers, I say NO
It finishes and under drives I have Nomad
I select nomad then can select genre or artists or playlist or albums.
All is there except the playlist.
When I click on the + beside playlist nothing happens. and when I click on playlist it shows all the songs but does not have a sub group by playlist name.
I go to my handheld and there are the songs but no playlist
What am I doing wrong
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SteveG
One more thing
If you right click on Nomad under the drives and click on Synchronize MC11 aborts....
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TXgary,
There is a new plugin available from here...
http://accessories.musicex.com/mediacenter/accessories.php
It is 11.0.07 and should give you the name or the file which is errorring with '2560'. The right click sync will be fixed soon.
In regards to the playlist problem, are you only synching one playlist? If so, how many files are in it? Do you see that 'Duplicate files question' every time you sync? You should not. Try creating another small playlist with files that you know are on Nomad and see if it syncs. Also try right clicking on some files that are on Nomad and create a playlist manually on Nomad to see if it gets created. I cannot duplicate this, so we must be doing something differently.
Steve
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SteveG
I have about 100+ playlists and it appears that all the files get down on the Zen, but the playlists are not created. I get the error everytime.
I tried pulling 1 playlist down (one that was not synced before) It added the songs (2 our of the 10 that were in the playlist-some were already in other playlists and already on the zen) but not the playlist.
So in a previous release of MC11 I was syncing fine in that release.
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I installed your plugin fix but now get a different problem. It appears that 2 of the songs do not get down to the zen, and I get the error
Hey Ladies - 2560
Cancel remaining file transfers?
yes or no
I click on no and it finishes.
I do get the question for duplicates handling and have 3 songs each time even though I have not selected anything since the last sync. It is the same 3 songs I think
If I tell it to skip duplicates it goes straight to the 2560 msg and if I say replace dups I get an error msg
You can leave your hat on already exists on the player. Transfer Cancelled. Show this message for other duplicates Yes or No
I then get the 2560 and I respond no. and it finishes, but I know that 2 of the 3 songs are not transferred. I don't know the name of the 3rd so I cannot verify it to be transferred or not.
Now, can I revert back to MC11.098 and get it to sync???
I need this to sync this week as I am on vacation Friday of this week and really want to use the zen with Playlists.
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SteveG
I can play the song "Hey Ladies" all the way thru. No problem, but it is not transferring to the zen.
What about deleting all 3200 songs on the zen and reloading? or revert bact to 098???
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TXgary,
I have about 100+ playlists and it appears that all the files get down on the Zen, but the playlists are not created. I get the error everytime.
Try dragging and dropping one plalylist on the Zen. Transfer the playlist. Does the playlist get created? Are the files in that playlist on the Zen?
I get the error Hey Ladies - 2560
This is a valid error. Try transferring the file with another application to verify that it will not transfer. If it succeeds, please email me the file so I can test it. (steve @ jriver.com).
I do get the question for duplicates handling and have 3 songs each time even
Try deleting the songs from Zen and resend them.
Now, can I revert back to MC11.098 and get it to sync???
Not sure. The errors you are seeing should not occur in either version.
What about deleting all 3200 songs on the zen and reloading?
It is worth trying, but lets try figuring out the above first.
Steve
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SteveG
I was able to sync in an earlier release of MC11 with no problems.
I did drag a playlist onto the handheld and the songs transferred, but no playlist
I will move the songs in question and try again.
I can remove all the songs and re sync from scratch - this takes only about half hour.
The interesting thing is that I had playlist on my zen. and when I synced on this new release, I synced the old and new playlists. Got the songs but all the playlists were deleted from the zen.
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TXGary,
Do you have version 11.0.07 of the Nomad plugin installed?
Steve
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SteveG
Yes I have 11.0.07 installed
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TXGary,
Can you confirm for me exactly what your Zen is reported as in the MC tree? Depending on what you report I may be able to explaing this.
Thanks,
Steve
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When I click on the "Drives & Devices" it reports it as
"Nomad Jukebox Zen Xtra (My Jukebox)"
And it reports the same when I click on handheld player at the bottom
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SteveG
I reformated my zen
then selected 1 playlist.
All went well BUT no playlist shows up on the zen
Everything else seems to be there
Then I dragged 1 additional playlist to the zen and got the same results.
All went well but no playlist.
I have albums, songs, genre, but no playlist.
I must not have some box checked? There use to be a box to check for syncing playlists, but I don't see it now.
Sorry for the problem.
Thanks for your help
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TXgary,
Please double check that in the tree the word 'Nomad' is 'Nomad' and not 'NOMAD'. If you are correct that it is 'Nomad Juekbox Zen Xtra' the problem is that MC is not set to run the plugin (which supports playlists) and instead is running the generic WMDM connection to your Zen which does not support playlists.
Please let me know what you see.
Steve
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SteveG
It is NOMAD.
I reformated the zen then downloaded from 10.161 some playlists and they work fine. Even when I connect to 11 I can see the playlists downloaded in 10
Next I checked 1 additional playlist to download in 11 and synced
the files synced but Now I have NO playlists on the zen.
I still feel I don't have something checked properly.
I am going to have to revert back to 10 tonight to sync if we cannot get it fixed today. I leave on vacation Friday and want the playlist on my zen.
Again 10 works fine
and 11 was working at one time.....sometime prior to this release.
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SteveG
I just installed 11.106, still no playlists
And no place to select WMDM in options.
10 has a place to check for download of playlists but 11 does not....
Is this correct or am I missing something?
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TXgary,
Try going to your Media Center 11 Plugins directory and delete your PDT.xml file. Then open MC 11 and see if things improve.
Thanks.
Steve
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I did what you ask, but no luck.
It never even attempts to download the playlists...
Again, in 10 you select to download playlists, here you don't.
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TXgary,
In 11 you click on your handheld in the Action Window and then you should see a button for 'Synchronize' . If you click on this button, the AW should expand and you can then check the playlists you want to send.
Steve
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Yes, that is what I do, but it is a very small window.
I think my problem is related to the two records that show up as a 2560?? and now when I sync with 11 it aborts the computer half way thru. Not sure what is causing that.
Can I back off to 11.98 without a problem?
I am out of time as I travel tomorrow and have wrestle with this the past 3 days
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TXgary,
You can try. It should be OK, but not certain. If things were OK before in 98, they should be now as well.
Steve
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SteveG
I have some USB 2.0 issues with my main computer so not sure they are your problem. Sorry. I will work on it when I return.
Thanks for all your help.
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SteveG
I'm back and tried to sync with 11.117
No Luck.
oh I can sync but still no playlists.
I had my usb 2.0 ports repaired and am able to sync, but where are the playlists?
under 10 I had to check a box to download the playlists, but I don't see one in 11.
Not sure what to make of it.
and 10 is not much better as I get the program busy msg and can't get out of it..
11.117 is strange in that I must wait until MC is open before I connect my Zen or else 11 will not come up ( If I have the connection made prior to opening 11).
What shall I try.
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11.117 is strange in that I must wait until MC is open before I connect my Zen or else 11 will not come up ( If I have the connection made prior to opening 11).
This looks vaguely similar to a problem I've just had where MC would detect a handheld as it came on line but not if it was already there when MC started. My solution was to create a new library and start again!
Ian G.
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Txgary,
If you have no playlists, MC probably is not identifying your Nomad as a Nomad, but rather as a generic WMDM device (which means, no playlists). When you expand the Nomad in the tree, do you see a tree item for 'Playlists'? If not, then it confirms what I said above.
Why is this? It can be for a couple of reasons. Try starting MC and then go to File->OpenURL and type 'Showdeviceid'. Then click on the device in the tree and you should get a dialogue with a name in it. Please post this exact name for me and we can go from there.
Thanks,
Steve
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SteveG wrote
"Try starting MC and then go to File->OpenURL and type 'Showdeviceid'. Then click on the device in the tree and you should get a dialogue with a name in it. Please post this exact name for me and we can go from there."
I tried this but no dialogue box appears.
In the tree I do have items under NOMAD Jukebox Zen Xtra (My Jukebox) with ALBUMS, ARTISTS, GENRES, PLAYLISTS but nothing shows up in Playlists while the other topics have items in them.
In MC11 can you turn on WMDM and turn it off?
But I do have PLAYLISTS under the NOMAD int he tree.
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Hi guys
I've been gone for 3 weeks, but I can confirm that I'm having this playlist problem as well with the current version - they've all disappeared from my Zen. I can't investigate further at the moment, but I will tonight.
Cheers
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TXgary and funnyguy,
Try going to plugin manager and delete the plugin. Let MC auto install the new plugin when you restart MC. If this still doesn't work, pelase email me your pdt.xml file from the \Data\Default Resources directory. There are some problems with the updating feature of MC and I think this is what is causing the problems. The next build of MC should put the correct files automatically in the correct place. I will be able to tell from the PDT.xml's that you send.
Steve
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I did everything you suggested, still no playlists.
I do not have your email address.
Please send me a personal message with your email in it and I will send the xml file you requested.
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SteveG
Here is the PDT file
<!-- begin PDT
-->
- <PDT version="1.0">
- <Device>
<Type>0</Type>
<Vendor>Creative</Vendor>
<Name>NOMAD_MUVO</Name>
<DeviceID>vid_041e&pid_4106</DeviceID>
</Device>
- <Device>
<Type>0</Type>
<Vendor>Creative</Vendor>
<Name>NOMAD MuVo NX</Name>
<DeviceID>vid_041e&pid_410c</DeviceID>
</Device>
- <Device>
<Type>0</Type>
<Vendor>Apple</Vendor>
<Name>iPod</Name>
<DeviceID>apple_computer__inc.&ipod</DeviceID>
<PlaylistBasePath>ROOT</PlaylistBasePath>
</Device>
- <Device>
<Type>1</Type>
<Vendor>Creative</Vendor>
<Name>Dell Digital Jukebox</Name>
<PluginName>Dell Digital Jukebox</PluginName>
<InstallURL>http://www.musicex.com/mediacenter/mc_data/plugins/hh_delljukebox11.mjp</InstallURL>
<PlaylistBasePath>ROOT</PlaylistBasePath>
</Device>
- <Device>
<Type>1</Type>
<Vendor>Creative</Vendor>
<Name>NOMAD Jukebox Zen NX</Name>
<PluginName>Nomad Jukebox</PluginName>
<InstallURL>http://www.musicex.com/mediacenter/mc_data/plugins/hh_nomadjukebox11.mjp</InstallURL>
</Device>
- <Device>
<Type>1</Type>
<Vendor>Creative</Vendor>
<Name>Creative JukeBox</Name>
<PluginName>Nomad Jukebox</PluginName>
<InstallURL>http://www.musicex.com/mediacenter/mc_data/plugins/hh_nomadjukebox11.mjp</InstallURL>
<PlaylistBasePath>ROOT</PlaylistBasePath>
</Device>
- <Device>
<Type>1</Type>
<Vendor>Creative</Vendor>
<Name>NOMAD Jukebox Zen Xtra</Name>
<PluginName>Nomad Jukebox</PluginName>
<InstallURL>http://www.musicex.com/mediacenter/mc_data/plugins/hh_nomadjukebox11.mjp</InstallURL>
</Device>
- <Device>
<Type>1</Type>
<Vendor>Creative</Vendor>
<Name>NOMAD Jukebox 3</Name>
<PluginName>Nomad Jukebox</PluginName>
<InstallURL>http://www.musicex.com/mediacenter/mc_data/plugins/hh_nomadjukebox11.mjp</InstallURL>
<PlaylistBasePath>ROOT</PlaylistBasePath>
</Device>
- <Device>
<Type>1</Type>
<Vendor>Creative</Vendor>
<Name>NOMAD Jukebox Zen</Name>
<PluginName>Nomad Jukebox</PluginName>
<InstallURL>http://www.musicex.com/mediacenter/mc_data/plugins/hh_nomadjukebox11.mjp</InstallURL>
<PlaylistBasePath>ROOT</PlaylistBasePath>
</Device>
- <Device>
<Type>1</Type>
<Vendor>Creative</Vendor>
<Name>Creative Zen Touch</Name>
<PluginName>Nomad Jukebox</PluginName>
<InstallURL>http://www.musicex.com/mediacenter/mc_data/plugins/hh_nomadjukebox11.mjp</InstallURL>
<PlaylistBasePath>ROOT</PlaylistBasePath>
</Device>
</PDT>
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SteveG
I downloaded 11.118 and now the playlists sync.........
I did not change anything else. But it did work...
I will now sync all my playlists and see what happens
Sometime MC11 goes into the analyse the device mode and NEVER comes out.... I then reset my Nomad (erasing all data) and start again.
Anyway, this looks good for playlist sync.
Thanks to all....
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Hi guys
I just downloaded tonight's build and playlists synced fine. Didn't do anything else at all.
Wierd & wonderful.....
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A major problem does still exist in the syncing area.
If the sync aborts for some reason. and lots of mine do as I am syncing 3200 songs and 100 playlists.
When you to to restart, MC11 displays analysing devices and NEVER comes back. the system is locked up. I have to reforma the Nomad and start the sync all over again.
LAst night I was within 120 songs of finishing when it locked up. Not sure why the lockup, but anyway, I restarted MC!! and got the message. I let it set for 1 hr and never finished. Once I reformat the Nomad everything starts again fine.
Any ideas, SteveG.
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TXgary,
The PDT file you posted above it wrong and is the root of some(all?) of the problems you are having. The new version should have fixed this, and from your later post perhaps it has started you on the road to working well.
On the subject of the lockup, I would bet that after the lockup if you rebooted, you could continue with the sync although you would not have playlists yet (those are written after all the file transfers occur). We need to solve a few problems.
1) Lock up
* This should not occur and I cannot duplicate it. Can you try to isolate file (s) that might be causing this?
2) Rediscovery of the device
This is a combination of some bad driver support by Creative and our inability to fully release the connection to the Nomad after the lockup. I will try to come up with a better way to handle this.
Steve
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Everything appears to work with playlists being created after the sync.
But, MC11 does some strange things as it is syncing a large amount of data. I am syncing 3252 mp3 to my nomad zen. I can never finish. it either locks up or crashes and reboots automatically.
MC11 is the only program I am experiencing this problem. Not sure what to make of it.
When I restart, I cannot continue the sync because it goes into "analyzing Device" which will not complete. It just set there forever, or so it seems. I let it run 60 min with no resolution.
I aborted, reformat the nomad and start again. I will try smaller chunks and see what happens.
Thanks for all your help SteveG
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One more thing.
When I try to resync where it left off, MC11 does not appear to recognize the nomad as it does not go directly to the sync area, so I click on the "handheld device" at the bottom, and it locks up.... The cpu goes to 100% and stays there. I have to do a hard reboot.
Any ideas?
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TXgary,
After the lockup, please reboot your PC and see if you can continue after the reboot.
Steve
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NO, after I reboot, and load MC11 - which will not open if my nomad is attached and syncing. So I unattach the nomad, open MC11 and connect the nomad for syncing. At that point I get nothing. The action window stays up and I have to click on handheld player or the drives & devices. either gives me "please wait" "analyzing devices" It never returns from that as I assume it is analyzing the handheld and doing it very slowly. The hour glass shows movement, but the cpu is registering 100%. Nothing can be done inside MC11 at this point. I have to unhook the Nomad and force MC11 to close. Just unhooking does nothing. It appears to be analyzing the device, but certainly not the nomad as it is unhooked...The 100% cpu utilization stays until I force MC11 off.
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TXgary,
After the lockup, turn off your PC. Restart your PC and reopen MC. Are you saying after you do this, MC still hangs when you access your Nomad?
Steve
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txgary, when I was loading up my zen (7 or 8k worth of tracks) I ran into freeze/lock problems. I ended up syncing genre by genre, and sidestepped the problem. That was with MC10, I think. Once I had the sucker loaded up, update syncs where I was adding or removing a dozen or so albums went fine.
I know this doesn't address your problem, but chunking the initial upload may be a workaround.
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I broke it into pieces adding several playlists at a time. when it would hang I would cancel it (yes it let me cancel it) then reboot and add the next few mp3s. and it created playlist for everything. I got to the end and it hung after creating the playlist, I rebooted, now it is "analyzing Devices" and appears to be hung doing that. Why does it stick in "analyzing devices". Big Problem.
Now I cannot sync anymore - will have to redo the whole Nomad. What a pain. I am going to wait on the analyzing devices for awhile to see what happens - no change, it is not locked but in a loop at 100% cpu forever. had to force off. Back to square 1.
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Why does it stick in "analyzing devices". Big Problem.
Because Creative's drivers do not release themselves after the failure you are seeing. I do not know why it is failing on certain files. Again, Creative's drivers should not hang when there is a failure, they should return with an error code.
I will send you an email with some suggestions on how to work on this.
Steve
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I need some advice re. Creative Nomad Jukebox Zen Xtra (whew!). I just got this the other day and I've loaded under a thousand songs.
When I did a random playback, I noticed that there were some tracks which weren't encoded properly. Meaning, they would physically play but no sound would come out of it. When I checked, this would be typical for songs from the same album. Could this be because the album is copyrighted? However, when I converted it using Mediasource converter I had to convert it from cda to wma to wav to finally mp3 which was effectively transferred to the Nomad and which could be played. It was a darn long process though! Can anyone suggest a more convenient approach without my having to check each and every song transferred?
I understand the interface is USB 2.0. Because of this I bought a USB 2.0 PCI card so I could utilize the increase in bandwidth. However, whenever I connect the device, Windows always says something like you Hi-speed USB device is connected to a non hi-speed port. How can this be when I've already installed the drivers which came with the card plus I believe my Windows XP has the latest drivers from service pack 2. Any solutions?
Lastly, I noticed that the battery time was quite under achieving despite the 14 hour playback claim. Any feedback on this?
Please help. Thanks!
Jon
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Jon,
When I did a random playback, I noticed that there were some tracks which weren't encoded properly. Meaning, they would physically play but no sound would come out of it. When I checked, this would be typical for songs from the same album.
What file type are these files? Are they not playing back after a transfer to Zen using MC or something else?
Steve
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Steve,
To answer your query, the formats as shown were cda to wma to wav and finally to mp3.
Jon
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Jon,
Where are the files not playing back correctly? On Nomad or in MC?
Steve
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I had been using MC10 fine and earlier today sync'd fine with Creative Nomad Zen Xtra. Today I decided to try MC11 so installed it cleanly and restored my MC10 library to it. Connected the Zen Xtra and MC11 said Plugin not installed. So installed the 11.0.07 plugin. Reconnected the player, MC11 seemed to find the player and shows Handheld Player in the Action Window, but clicking on it gives:
No handheld available, 1) Connect your handheld to the computer, 2) Turn your handheld on, 3) Ensure the proper plugin i installed (Tools > Plugin Manager)
I have tried very combination of connecting player, reinstalling plugin, restarting MC11 and nothing fixes this. The player's lcd shows the "double arrows" connection icon like it did when it was properly working when MC10 ... and it still works fine with MC10.
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This is the same issue that I am having with MC v 11.0.133 and my Zen Xtra (see post from this morning on main handhelds board). Any ideas about what we might be doing wrong or when a fix could be out? I keep thinking that there has to be something simple I have set wrong. Thanks for any help or advice.
Paul
I had been using MC10 fine and earlier today sync'd fine with Creative Nomad Zen Xtra. Today I decided to try MC11 so installed it cleanly and restored my MC10 library to it. Connected the Zen Xtra and MC11 said Plugin not installed. So installed the 11.0.07 plugin. Reconnected the player, MC11 seemed to find the player and shows Handheld Player in the Action Window, but clicking on it gives:
No handheld available, 1) Connect your handheld to the computer, 2) Turn your handheld on, 3) Ensure the proper plugin i installed (Tools > Plugin Manager)
I have tried very combination of connecting player, reinstalling plugin, restarting MC11 and nothing fixes this. The player's lcd shows the "double arrows" connection icon like it did when it was properly working when MC10 ... and it still works fine with MC10.
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Are you guys running the latest creative program files. I am running my zen just fine. It syncs and is recognized every time. I am running version 1.03.02. I have 3700+ mp3 songs on my zen in 89 playlists. I did struggle with this but feel good with it now.
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TXgary -
Yes, I am running the latest firmware from the Creative website. I still get the same error. Any other ideas?
PVWhalen
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Steve.....my playlists aren't syncing! What am I doing wrong here?
Media Center Registered 11.0.128 -- C:\Program Files\J River\Media Center 11\
Microsoft Windows XP Workstation 5.1 Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
Intel Pentium 4 2515 MHz MMX / Memory: Total - 1048 MB, Free - 628 MB
Internet Explorer: 6.0.2900.2180 / ComCtl32.dll: 5.82 (xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-2158) / Shlwapi.dll: 6.00.2900.2180 (xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-2158) / Shell32.dll: 6.00.2900.2180 (xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-2158) / wnaspi32.dll: N/A
Ripping / Drive F: Mode:Normal Type:Auto Speed:Max
Drive G: SONY CD-RW CRX230E Mode:Normal Type:Auto Speed:Max
Digital playback: Yes / Use YADB: Yes / Get cover art: Yes / Calc replay gain: Yes / Copy volume: 32767
Eject after ripping: Yes / Play sound after ripping: No
Burning / Drive F: ATAPI DVD DUAL 8X4X12 Addr: 1:0:0 Speed:24 MaxSpeed:24 BurnProof:Yes
Drive G: SONY CD-RW CRX230E Addr: 1:1:0 Speed:52 MaxSpeed:52 BurnProof:Yes
Test mode: No / Eject after writing: Yes / Direct decoding: Yes / Write CD-Text: Yes
Use playback settings: No / Normalization: None
Been very busy and away from the computer for a few weeks (am a new grandma and the new mommie was critical with post op complications - thankfully now is doing fine), so am trying to get my stuff organized before christmas!
Here's what I did (ten times to be exact): pluged in the Zen, clicked on the Zen in the tree , right clicked for sync - opened the dialogue box, choose my options to sync the playlists that I had checked (and yes, tried bothe the manually transfer and the sync only the playlists I have chosen options) pushed transfer......it was faster than ever before (I am impressed ;D ) but no playlists transfered and when I right click on the playlist tree I get a little box with hh... and with a red x button and nothing else ....so I can't even create a playlist. Bet
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SteveG
Now I can't sync either. I connect my nomad zen and get the sync picture on the handheld and the heandheld msg at the bottom but when I click on the handheld at the bottle left, I get handheld not connected and 3 items telling me what to do.
This is release 133, I was able to sync prior to this release......
the nomad does not show up in the directory tree of mc11 either.
The nomad does show up in the explorer tree and when I click on that it show all the data.
Not sure what is going on...
Gary
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I'm getting the same problem with .140. Con't connect to the Zen at all, with the 3 possible reasons.
I've removed the plugin and let it reinstall itself, but still no joy. It does see the device enough to download the plugin obviously! Hmmmm....
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Everyone,
There please get the next MC when it is available and let me know if the problem continues. Sorry to be out of touch for a bit.
bebop,
Congrats on grandmadom. Glad new mommie is ok.
Steve
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Steve, downloaded the latest version of mc11, and tried the zen, but it didn't show at all. It said to download the plugin, so went to the plugin page and got the last one posted there (11.1.09) - and still no luck. Will try the install, uninstall thingie a couple of more time. Bet
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SteveG
It does work I downloaded the latest 11.146 and was able to sync to my existing zen. I added about 30 songs to existing playlists. I have 89 playlists and 3800+ songs. All appears to be on the zen. The selection of playlists to download was difficult if not impossible to use. It would not allow me to scroll down thru the playlists and select those I wanted. I could only see the first playlist. I had already selected them in a prior version and the selections carried over to this version. It also did not allow me to select "handheld" from the lower left hand corner. But the nomad zen did appear in the drive section.
Again, it did work, but needs tweaking...
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Mine is still not working, here. Using 11.0.146, and got a message that no handheld was detected - go the downloads page and get plugin, so I did ( it's 11.0.09), and still nothing. I then went to the creative page and re downloaded the latest driver and installed it, and still nothing. HELP!!!!!! :'( Bet
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There is certainly problems with the download interface, but mine did work but I already had my Playlists selected. it goes immediately to sync without allowing me to select the handheld in lower left hand corner.
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I have like only 10 days left for MC11 and Zen Xtra isn't working with latest 11.0.148 build. At first installing on top of prev MC11 this latest build did start working with Zen Xtra, but then halfway thru a 2nd sync I noticed the xfer speed was .5 of normal so Cancelled. Then MC11 started hanging, would never see the Xtra, so I rebooted numerous times. MC11 would hang on restarts.
So completely uninstalled, and clean installed MC11. MC11 would never see the Xtra after plugging it in. Now during all this if I switched over to MC10 the Xtra worked fine. I also manually installed the Zen Xtra plugin, no help.
So what is with MC11 that it can't work well with the Zen Xtra?
Update: It looks like MC11 works better when ctpdesrv.exe is killed from task manager ... I have all the latest CT drivers/updates.
UPDATE: MC11 is now working fine after installing the latest Creative Mediasource and Zen Xtra firmware updates from CT's website.
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Hi Steve.
This build (147) doesn't recognize the that the files on my player don't need to be synced when doing the space calculations. Therefore, it won't allow me to perform subsequent syncs when the device is close to full.
Before trying this I cleared it off totally, and started from scratch.
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One More problem
When duplicates are found, and the dialog pops up, you can select skip, and check apply to all. Unfortunately apply to all doesn't work, and I get prompted for every duplicate. This isn't new, I've always observed this behaviour.
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Upon the connection of my zen to MC11 I notice that it only recognizes the usb port as 1.1 even though it is 2.0. It even opens a window (xp message) and tells me that it would perform better if connected to a 2.0 usb port.
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Steve, this new build isn't working for my Nomad Zen USB2...and now I can't get version 10 to work either (had to reinstall it) , so i can't sync anything at the moment. although it shows up in version 10, I keep getting and initialization failed message and in version 11 it doesn't even show up on the tree, an the message I get is to install the correct plug in - which I did many times over. Thanks Bet.
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Hey I installed the latest driver and firmware downloads from CT and my Zen Xtra is now working fine with MC11! The updates were released within the last few days.
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Syeve. go mc 10's latest version to work with the Zen...had to download the driver a few times before it worked (SP2 related problem) so, now have Creatives driver 1.21.01a and it is running fine. Now to try MC 11 - tomorrow ---- it took me all day just to get this download done correctly.
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SteveG
Yes, I too downloaded the new drivers from Creative and all works much better. I am running MC11.148. It does sync, but there are a few problems.
When you first connect, it syncs without asking. The first thing you see is "how to handle dups" Once you respond to that it syncs playlists and music. Then you can click on the "handheld device" at bottom left and follow standard process to select which playlists, Options, etc. and sync properly.
It does give a false reading to the amount of space left on the zen. I have 23.5 gig remaining (as shown by the zen on the zen) but in MC11 it shows 7.9 gig remaining.
Thanks for the help everyone.
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I also got a false reading of space remaining on my Zen Xtra, so deleted all and re-sync'd to fix it. Also, right-clicking on the handheld in the left tree under Drives and Devices does nothing - I like the way MC10 had at least a few choices (like sync) which was easier than having to go thru the Action Window.
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Steve, downloaded the newest version of MC11 and tried again, but it still doesn't even see my Nomad Jukebox Zen USB2! Tried uninstalling and reinstalling the plug in from the plugin's page, and still no luck here. I thought that if it at lesast sees the other Zens (the xtra etc) then there was a chance for this one. I guessed wrong, it seems.
Media Center Registered 11.0.146 -- D:\Media Center 11\
Microsoft Windows XP Workstation 5.1 Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
Intel Pentium 4 2514 MHz MMX / Memory: Total - 1048 MB, Free - 628 MB
Internet Explorer: 6.0.2900.2180 / ComCtl32.dll: 5.82 (xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-2158) / Shlwapi.dll: 6.00.2900.2180 (xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-2158) / Shell32.dll: 6.00.2900.2180 (xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-2158) / wnaspi32.dll: N/A
Ripping / Drive F: Mode:Normal Type:Auto Speed:Max
Drive G: Mode:Normal Type:Auto Speed:Max
Digital playback: Yes / Use YADB: Yes / Get cover art: No / Calc replay gain: Yes / Copy volume: 32767
Eject after ripping: Yes / Play sound after ripping: No
Burning / Drive F: ATAPI DVD DUAL 8X4X12 Addr: 1:0:0 Speed:24 MaxSpeed:24 BurnProof:Yes
Drive G: SONY CD-RW CRX230E Addr: 1:1:0 Speed:52 MaxSpeed:52 BurnProof:Yes
Test mode: No / Eject after writing: Yes / Direct decoding: Yes / Write CD-Text: Yes
Use playback settings: No / Normalization: None
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Hey bebop the latest MC11 is 11.0.148 not 146 like you show in your last post -- I had lotsa trbl with 146. And for sure you got the latest drivers/firmwre from Creative's website?
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Markeau, have creative driver 1.21.01a and need to get the latest version of MC11 - my bad - though i had done that already. Will download it now and try again.
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Thanks for the tip, Markeu!!! That did it - my zen is now recognized and I feel like such a dummy for missing such a simple thing!!!!! Merci beaucoup, mahalo nui loa and thanks!!!! It did, however, take a long time to initialize and then showed they sync dialogue box (which I closed).
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Everyone,
Sorry to be out of touch for a while. It looks like things are generally better, correct? The key appears to be latest firmware and drivers from Creative.
Please let me know if there are still lingering issues.
Steve
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Sorry Steve - I'm still seeing the issues above with the new drivers. It seems to revolve around MC not recognizing the content already stored on the Zen.
John
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SteveG
MC11 recognizes the content already on the zen but does not report the correct space remaining. also it scans the zen first and loads all playlists then goes back and allows you to choose the playlists to download and does the download again. It works, but doing lots of additional work it seems. Hope this is helpful. It is syncing which is good.It seems like we get it working in one build then the next it won't, Right now we are ok, but could stand some improvement.
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TXgary and funnyguy,
There is an issue with 149 which probably is causing this. Please get 150 when it becomes available and let me know if things don't improve.
Thanks,
Steve
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Hi Steve
Just gave the latest a shot - and it still seems a no go. It's showing 4.1 GB available after sync, when I have 25 GB available, and all of the files to be synced are already on the device. I tried removing the plugin and readding but no go.
If I go ahead with the sync, I get the duplicate files message for every file. Selecting the option to save the setting for all files seems to do nothing, it continues to prompt.
I haven't tried wiping it clean and starting from scratch (my wife would kill me if I didn't put it back right now...), but I will if you think it will help.
John
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John,
MC is planning to resend the files which explains all the duplicate messages and the available space differential you are reporting. For files that are reported as duplicates, check very carefully what MC is showing you as the tag information of the files on Nomad vs. the tag info for the same files in MC. If there are any differences between the Name, Artist, Album, Genre or Track Number tags, the files will be resent in a sync which is what appears to be what MC is about to do for you.
Steve
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Will Do. I'll probably just clear the whole thing out and start again, my last sync was with a "questionable" MC version. I'll let you know how it goes.
As an aside though, If I were to choose the skip option on the duplicate dialog and select "apply to all", shouldn't it stop prompting me for the duration of the sync? This has caused me problems on long (overnight) syncs in the past.
Thanks
John
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SteveG
I just synced with the latest MC11 and it does work, but..............
First, I can sync but it does not allow me to choose the sync first, it simply starts the sync and asks me what to do with dups, I say skip and it finishes and downloads the playlists. Could not select handheld at the bottom even though it does show it.
Then I have the option of selecting handheld at the bottom and it asks me what to do with dups I say skip it tells me I have 7.8G available when i actually have 25G available. It does sync and again dowloads a song that is already on the unit, then does the playlists.
This is basically what it was doing on the earlier release of MC11. I do not see any differences.
But it is working. Now, if I reset my zen, what will happen?
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John,
Wait and get 160 which will be available shortly. It may make all of the issues you report go away due to a bug which was introduced recently causing MC to not be aware of all the files on the device.
TXGary,
First, I can sync but it does not allow me to choose the sync first, it simply starts the sync
Can you clarify what you mean here?
In regards to the other issues, please get 160 when it is available.
Thanks,
Steve
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SteveG
Yes, I can sync, but it starts automatically as I stated earlier. I do nothing but connect the zen to MC11 and it gathers the info needed and then (if you wait) it next will ask what to do with dups I say ignore and it appears to sync with each of the playlists names flashing on the screen. After that it allows me to select "handheld" at bottom on left. I could not select handheld before this. as the little hand does not appear when moving over the word "handheld".
after selecting handheld and sync it shows only 7.9G available when 26G is really available and it appears to sync one file that is already on the zen and it finishes with the download of the playlists and all is completed ok it appears.
Hope this helps....
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Hi Steve
That did it for me. Thanks again.
John
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SteveG
MC11.161 works fine, but it does automatically sync with the playlists before I am offerred the handheld selection. It also deleted 25 selections and then added them back when I did select handheld. I had chosen to skip dups. Just fyi. I believe this solution is workable. And it is showing the correct amount of space left on my Zen
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11.0.162 with latest Zen XTRA drivers/fw ... when I plug in the XTRA MC says it has 4108 files, 53.3GB, Free: 11.3GB. Then when I try to sync, MC says i have selected 4108 files - 45047MB - 32.7GB Over capacity.
And then selecting Transfer says: "-32.7GB available after sync" and so it won't sync at all. To workaround the problem I have been deleting all tracks and re-syncing, I was thinking the problem might be fixed in a new MC11 release. Besides deleting all tracks I have also reformatted the XTRA. Is this bug being worked on?
Media Center Registered 11.0.162 -- C:\Program Files\J River\Media Center 11\
Microsoft Windows XP Workstation 5.1 Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
Intel Pentium 4 1993 MHz MMX / Memory: Total - 1047 MB, Free - 618 MB
Internet Explorer: 6.0.2900.2180 / ComCtl32.dll: 5.82 (xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-2158) / Shlwapi.dll: 6.00.2900.2180 (xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-2158) / Shell32.dll: 6.00.2900.2180 (xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-2158) / wnaspi32.dll: N/A
Ripping / Drive W: PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-106D Mode:Normal Type:Auto Speed:Max
Digital playback: Yes / Use YADB: Yes / Get cover art: No / Calc replay gain: Yes / Copy volume: 32767
Eject after ripping: Yes / Play sound after ripping: No
Burning / Drive W: PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-106D Addr: 1:0:0 Speed:16 MaxSpeed:16 BurnProof:Yes
Test mode: No / Eject after writing: Yes / Direct decoding: No / Write CD-Text: Yes
Use playback settings: Yes / Normalization: None
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MC11.0.162 appears to work fine. I am running 40G Zen with 1.20.08. It shows the space on the Zen fairly accurately and the sync etc works fine per my tests. Please email me and I will try to help.
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Hmmm, ok ... I'll delete the tracks again and retry.
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Markeau,
Have you recently updated/modified the Name, Artist, Album, Genre or Track number tags for files in MC?
Steve
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Yes I had changed just a few (like 30 out of 4100) tracks' name, #
OK so within MC11 I deleted all tracks and then sync'd them back down. These tracks are sync'd by selecting Smartlists and Playlists. All worked fine until a few XTRA device disconnects and MC11 restarts, then MC11 did the same thing as before showing like -32GB available. It looks like it is not finding that ANY of the tracks already exist on the device and so wants to re-sync all of them again. After disconnecting the XTRA, rebooting or relogin to XP MC11 and reconnecting everything works fine - until a few XTRA disconnects and/or MC11 restarts.
So for now, the workaround is to relogin or reboot.
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Markeau,
I found and fixed a bug today that would have contributed to some of your problems here. Please get the next build of MC and all should improve.
Steve
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Are you positive that you are running version 1.20.08 on the zen. I had some of the same problems you are experiencing until I updated the zen and the MC11 release to 162. Most everything seems to work now. I tried it again just now. I connect my zen after i bring up mc11.162. Then I wait until it recognizes the zen and I click on Handheld at the bottom left menu. I click on sync and select the playlists that I want. at this point it shows 22.7G remaining on the device (really 24.2G, but close enough. then look at options - I check "delete unselected files during sync" and that is all that I check. then ok to close the options menu and click on transfer. At that point it shows "handheld progress" and syncs the playlist and songs needed. Now I can click on drives and devices and click on zen and see all songs in either genre, album, playlist format. All seems to work fine.
Let me know what I can do to help.
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OK Steve, I got 11.0.166 and all is working great so far ... Thanks!
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SteveG
Now I am hosed. No playlists when syncing......with 166.
How do I get back to 162??
Or will I have to delete and reload all 3700 songs???
One release it works the next it does NOT....
Please let me know my options.....Thanks
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Actually now that you mention it I did not see any playlists sync either last night when I did my quick test to see if the "negative space" problem was fixed (which does seem to be fixed). Typically I would see the sync progress thru all playlists, but I did not see that at all. I was wondering if the new release might be doing that differently (or in the background) and/or did not show because no playlists had changed. I can't try it again until later today (~6pm us ct).
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162 worked fine for me.
Is there a place to download 162 and can I go back to it by simply installing 162 over 166
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Did u look thru the MC forum?
http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=25208.0
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Markeau
Thanks
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I went back to 162 and all is fine now. Not sure what you did in 166, but it would not sync playlists. I deleted one playlist and tried to sync the other 70+. It appeared to only delete ALL of the playlists. and nothing more.
So I am on 162 until this is resolved....
SteveG Let me know what I can do to help solve this new problem.
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Please try 167 when it is available.
Thanks,
Steve
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Looks like 167 is working better ... Thanks again!
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SteveG
Thank You
167 does work very well. It appears to sync quickly and correctly. Showing valid info.
I appreciate all you are doing...
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Thanks for letting me know all is well.
Steve
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PLEASE HELP!
After 2 days of trying to work on MC10 with my Zen Xtra 60Gb, after installing all the latest updates of MC plug-ins,drivers, as well as Creative Media Source and Nomad Explorer latest releases, I cannot play or decode/encode,etc my Zen on MC10.
Mc10 recognise it, read all the files from Handheld Player on Action Menu, but donīt allow me to play with them.
What should I do ? Please tell me STEP By STEP what I must do, to use properly MC10 w/ Zen Xtra.
Thanks
Sgt_Couto
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I am using 11 so no help here
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W/11 your Zen Xtra 60Gb is working correctly?
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MC 11.0.179 is working fine with my Zen Xtra 60GB
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Sgt_Couto,
Was everything working fine with MC 10 before the latest installation of drivers, etc from Creative?
What specifically happens when you try to transfer files?
Steve
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I haven't found this question anywhere - hadn't thought I would need to ask it yet since Amazon said I wouldn't get my Zen Micro until March, but it got here today!!!!!! (sorry, the sound is better than I expected with the earbuds and I'm hyper) -
my question is: I have MJ v8. Can I get a plug-in for this so I can synch my micro?? All I have seen are MC plug-in notes. I realize I'm in the dark ages, but, well, it does work. Someday I'll get a new computer and upgrade. But for now, is there a plug-in for 8 that I can use?
*must* be able to take to work tonight...
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If there is a Nomad Jukebox plugin for v 8, it might work with the micro. If you can find one, you can give it a try.
Steve
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Everyone,
This thread is huge. I am going to close it and start a new one.
Thanks,
Steve