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Title: What's the size of your music collection
Post by: urlwolf on May 08, 2004, 01:08:47 am: I think I'm around 130Gb. Mostly ogg -q 6
Title: Re:What's the size of your...
Post by: urlwolf on May 08, 2004, 11:51:23 am: Damn, looks like I should have used higher GB options. Those people with > 140 GB, how much do you have? Care to specify?
Title: Re:What's the size of your...
Post by: paulr on May 08, 2004, 11:59:03 am: I have about 150GB of APE files, with around another 100 to 200 CD's to rip (once I can find the darn things). After I rip those, I'll be sitting around 220 GB... But then again, you are never really done are you? :)
Title: Re:What's the size of your...
Post by: KingSparta on May 08, 2004, 01:45:17 pm: Quote from: urlwolf on May 08, 2004, 11:51:23 am
**, looks like I should have used higher GB options. Those people with > 140 GB, how much do you have? Care to specify?

about 290 gigs
Title: Re:What's the size of your...
Post by: MarSies on May 08, 2004, 03:29:41 pm: I have, at this moment 331Gb on ape files, highest compression. But increases rapidly since I buy about 5 CD's per week on average.

MarSies .....
Title: Re:What's the size of your...
Post by: JorgeGVB on May 08, 2004, 03:41:41 pm: 76G, 13,716 MP3's at 192
Title: Re:What's the size of your...
Post by: graham131 on May 08, 2004, 04:00:41 pm: 627 GB.

Made up of 160 Gb Ape, 40Gb of Windows Media Lossless and 427 Gb MP3 (varying levels if bitrate)

Apparently they will take 265 days to listen to!!!!!!!!!!!!

Graham
Title: Re:What's the size of your...
Post by: escaflo on May 08, 2004, 04:12:42 pm: Quote from: graham131 on May 08, 2004, 04:00:41 pm
627 GB.

Made up of 160 Gb Ape, 40Gb of Windows Media Lossless and 427 Gb MP3 (varying levels if bitrate)

Apparently they will take 265 days to listen to!!!!!!!!!!!!

Graham

:o

627 GB?? that's like erm, let's see, 5 times my amount.
Title: Re:What's the size of your...
Post by: KingSparta on May 08, 2004, 05:00:05 pm: my 34,000 OTR files will take 1.6 years to listen to
my 24,000 music files is like 62 days to listen to
Title: Re:What's the size of your music collection
Post by: Michel Lefebvre on May 08, 2004, 05:19:37 pm: About 25,000 tunes using around 130 GB.

I guess size DOES matter after all... LOL!
Title: Re:What's the size of your music collection
Post by: EpF on May 08, 2004, 06:40:17 pm: Total of 137 Gb: 29 Gb of mostly mp3's, with some WMA + 108 Gb of APEs, taking a paltry 34.8 days to listen to!!

;)

Listening to: 'Jesus Built My Hotrod' from 'Psalm 69' by 'Ministry' on Media Center 10
Title: Re:What's the size of your music collection
Post by: iCamp on May 08, 2004, 08:56:41 pm: 10,913 files (APE, FLAC, MP3 & OGG) over 151 GB. 29.1 days of playback time.
Title: Re:What's the size of your music collection
Post by: LonWar on May 08, 2004, 09:20:00 pm: 124Gb
All ape's
5,973 files
572 folders.
Title: Re:What's the size of your music collection
Post by: Charlemagne 8 on May 08, 2004, 09:34:02 pm: 146 Gb audio of various types -- mostly apes and 320 kb mp3s -- 21000± files. Another 35 GB in videos and pictures.

CVIII
Title: Re:What's the size of your music collection
Post by: hit_ny on May 09, 2004, 02:35:27 am: ooh ! big collections.. but how good are they ?

if u rated ur stuff, what % would be 3 stars & above.

quality over quantity any day.
Title: Re:What's the size of your music collection
Post by: ghappe on May 09, 2004, 04:46:04 am: 307GB 74000 Files all MP3 >128 VBR ?
Title: Re:What's the size of your music collection
Post by: EpF on May 09, 2004, 10:08:06 am: Quote from: hit_ny on May 09, 2004, 02:35:27 am
ooh ! big collections.. but how good are they ?

if u rated ur stuff, what % would be 3 stars & above.

quality over quantity any day.

2/3 - 3/4 of my 11,000 or so files are rated 3 stars or more. That said, in my head 3 stars = good, and 2 stars = OK or average. I use one star for anything I have that I think is crap, and I don't bother with degrees of crapness!!

8)

Listening to: 'Soyuz' from '14 Irregular Files' by 'Appliance' on Media Center 10 (3 Stars)
Title: Re:What's the size of your music collection
Post by: pipsqueak on May 09, 2004, 11:39:54 am: graham131

How many files is that? How do you store it? and ... is it backed up?

I have 20,000+ music files at 120gigs and 100gigs of video - a mere pittance on this site...
Title: Re:What's the size of your music collection
Post by: graham131 on May 09, 2004, 01:30:05 pm: Quote from: pipsqueak on May 09, 2004, 11:39:54 am
graham131

How many files is that? How do you store it? and ... is it backed up?

I have 20,000+ music files at 120gigs and 100gigs of video - a mere pittance on this site...

Approx 70,000. Stored currently on 2x 120Gb, 4x 160GB and a 180Gb.

Backed up to 2 external Maxtor 250Gb Firewire drives. (Well nearly!!!!). I do archive some to DVD as well. Need to get another external to complete the backup.

Graham
Title: Re:What's the size of your music collection
Post by: LonWar on May 09, 2004, 01:41:26 pm: Quote from: hit_ny on May 09, 2004, 02:35:27 am
ooh ! big collections.. but how good are they ?

if u rated ur stuff, what % would be 3 stars & above.

quality over quantity any day.

All of mine I consider 3 stars or above. If I do not like it, I don't buy the disc.
Title: Re:What's the size of your music collection
Post by: hit_ny on May 09, 2004, 02:10:11 pm: Quote
2/3 - 3/4 of my 11,000 or so files are rated 3 stars or more. That said, in my head 3 stars = good, and 2 stars = OK or average. I use one star for anything I have that I think is crap, and I don't bother with degrees of crapness!!

That sounds about right.. i'm looking at 20%@2 stars, 60%@3stars and 20%@4 stars & above, still 30% left to rate.

2 stars = don't like
3 stars = ok
4 stars = good
5 stars = exceptional

i like to keep albums intact, unless they fall above 50%@2 stars, in which case i just keep the good tracks and relegate the incomplete album to my Various folder.

Collection on 2x120Gbs mirrored to same
Title: Re:What's the size of your music collection
Post by: paulr on May 09, 2004, 02:17:14 pm: I don't buy CD's I don't like. But, if I buy a CD that I decide later I don't like, I certainly don't rip it, or if I already ripped it, I delete it.

That said, I have a slightly different rating scheme than most probably do...

5 stars is reserved for the best of the best
4 stars is excellent
3 stars is very good
2 stars is good
1 star is fair (I currently do not have any items with 1 star)

If I ever decide any album deserves lower than a "fair" rating, it will be deleted.

I toyed around with the ratings for a long time, wondering why anyone would have something in their collection with only 1 or 2 stars. That's when I decided that a new scheme would be helpful.
Title: Re:What's the size of your music collection
Post by: TimB on May 09, 2004, 02:50:15 pm: I live in a binary world.

Two ratings: 5 stars and no stars. 5 stars I love. :)

-=Tim=-
Title: Re:What's the size of your music collection
Post by: Roar on May 09, 2004, 03:34:06 pm: 40 GB (19.1 days of music, 638 albums) and counting...

All MP3 VBR with Fraunhofer encoding at 95-100% or LAME --alt-preset-standard -q0 -V1 (an average of approximately 210 kbit/s). I was using MusicMatch Jukebox to rip and encode originally, but have since switched to MC and LAME - the quality of the encoding is the same to my ears in a double-blind (double-deaf? ;) ) test, and the size is also approximately the same, but there are less problems with the LAME encoder when tagging tracks that don't start with silence (MMJB with Fraunhofer mp3 encoder sometimes creates a small "plop" sound at the beginning of such tracks when adding a tag).

I use Rating 1 for tracks I'm planning to delete, I use Rating 2 for tracks that I'm keeping but that I only play in context with the whole album (e.g. small intro tracks). Rating 3 is the lowest rating I like to play randomly, but I usually equate an unspecified rating with rating 3. Rating 4 is for my favourite tracks (approximately 10% of all tracks). Rating 5 is for the top favourites, which is only about 0.75% of all tracks.

- Roar
Title: Re:What's the size of your music collection
Post by: modelmaker on May 09, 2004, 04:54:25 pm: 14973 mp3VBR Hi files, 109 gig and counting. Some 8000 LPs, 250 rtr tapes to go. Also add 10 - 20 CDs/month.

Rating system:

5. Favorites
4. Juke Box (70% of collection, about 10k tracks)
3. Live Albums/Tracks
2. Metal
1. Country
?. Not in Jukebox rotation

I haven't gotten around to sorting out all the Genre tags. I usually use Random Sort/ 4,5 rating for Jukebox play, or I play whole albums. I periodically switch some of the #4 rated & #? rated to keep the "jukebox" fresh.
Title: Re:What's the size of your music collection
Post by: Couch on May 09, 2004, 07:10:23 pm: Primarily MP3 VBR High, Nothing Less than 128 Kbps.
I'm at 165.3 GIG. I used to think that was a large collection.
56.4 GIG is 88 Movies with a few TV Shows
93.6 GIG is 1220 Complete Albums: Tagged [Artist, Album, Track#, Name, Date(at least year), and Album Art.]
The Remainder 15 GIG is a bunch of Random single songs.

All of this Fits on one Western Digital 250 GIG HD.
For Back-Up.... At the Moment I keep my fingers crossed.
Title: Re:What's the size of your music collection
Post by: pipsqueak on May 09, 2004, 11:33:56 pm: i used to use a system very similar to modelmakers, but eventually ditched it in favor of using genres and a quality measurement rating system...

currently:

5* - wish there was a 6* category
4* - foot tapping-ly good
3* - minimum quality for visitors
2* - i want to keep it for myself
1* - prepare to be deleted!

periodically i delete the 1*'s.

storage = 400 gig hdd; mirrored to a 250 and a 120 - all external firewires

graham131 - thats, like, 1.5Tb of storage!!!
Title: Re:What's the size of your music collection
Post by: cattani on May 10, 2004, 10:04:30 am: I have 4.000 mp3 files,
mostly 128Kbs,
17 GB.

5 star - for my favorite
4 star - for good music

I listen Romanian Music,
Europe(Rock & Dance) &
U.S.A.(hip-hop) hits.

I use Effect-Concert Hall-level 5 !!!
Title: Re:What's the size of your music collection
Post by: sirshambling on May 10, 2004, 12:14:32 pm: About 25,000 pieces of vinyl (45s, LPs) but only 6,500 songs digitized so far.

A few years work to do...

John
Title: Re:What's the size of your music collection
Post by: Deivit on May 10, 2004, 12:48:27 pm: Currently 117,278 mp3s - 531,3 GB
Still some 3,000 CDs to rip

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Listening to: 'Whole Lotta Shakin' Goin' On' from 'The Legendary Sun Records Story [BOX SET] (CD 1)' by 'Jerry Lee Lewis' on Media Center 10
Title: Re:What's the size of your music collection
Post by: pipsqueak on May 10, 2004, 12:56:51 pm: Quote from: Couch on May 09, 2004, 07:10:23 pm
All of this Fits on one Western Digital 250 GIG HD.
For Back-Up.... At the Moment I keep my fingers crossed.

couch - id seek to improve that. just read around the board. many of us have had hard disks die suddenly...best to be safe.
Title: Re:What's the size of your music collection
Post by: sapnho on May 10, 2004, 01:04:51 pm: >22.000 titles, 50% classic, 50% modern music on two Maxtor 250GB disks

...and 4 backup disks stored outside of the house...all files APE of course... ;)
Title: Re:What's the size of your music collection
Post by: bebop on May 10, 2004, 11:00:49 pm: Alas...a mere pittance at 11,635 (40.4 Gb, 29.4 days). Not all my library has been ripped, have at least three more boxes of Cd's and thern there are the LP's..... ;D
Title: Re:What's the size of your music collection
Post by: sail121j on May 11, 2004, 03:05:27 pm: 16,597 MP3s and around 65G, no rating system used - I like it all..
Title: Re:What's the size of your music collection
Post by: Shady Bimmer on May 11, 2004, 07:49:09 pm: So far:

Almost 1.3 Terabytes, comprised of:

15,000+ WAV
3100+ FLAC
7700+ SHN
3200+ APE

I'm working on getting the FLAC and SHN to APE first, then I'll start on the WAV -> APE.

Unfortunately my collection grows by anywhere from 0-200 tracks per month right now so I need to get those WAVs into APE sooner rather than later. The volume is at max size of 2TB (I've got another 1TB volume that is almost full of other material) and I'm not ready to expand yet.
Title: Re:What's the size of your music collection
Post by: salsbst1 on May 11, 2004, 09:06:10 pm: Not sure, really, since my ripping/tagging process is still in an early stage. I refuse to go lossy with CDs, and I have about 350 of them, many of which are classical/sacred and the CDs are full to the brim with data. I also have about 20 (IIRC) .shn Grateful Dead and Phish concerts which take up more room than they should, but .shn is the format of the "tape"-trading community so I leave them that way.

Anyway, when all is said and done I will probably have about 200 GB, give or take.
Title: Re:What's the size of your music collection
Post by: paulr on May 11, 2004, 09:15:01 pm: Quote
but .shn is the format of the "tape"-trading community

I still can't figure out why this is the case, unless it is just "tradition". I have a few concerts as well, but I always convert them to APE. I suppose if someone ever requested them from me, I could convert back to SHN (but I'd resist :) ).
Title: Re:What's the size of your music collection
Post by: grahamk on May 12, 2004, 09:29:48 am: I am currently running ~460 Gb. ~45,000 selections, all MP3, varying bitrates, but mostly 320.

I just updates tags on about 20,000 selections. It took a little over 24 hours. :-(

Graham
Title: Re:What's the size of your music collection
Post by: kiwi on May 12, 2004, 08:38:29 pm: So... how are people with larger collections backing them up? RAID arrays give some comfort, but having a full second copy somewhere else would probably be nice.

I've been contemplating two systems, one at home and the other at work, with RAID 5 on each, and then doing mirroring. My work's bandwidth isn't metered, so as long as I do it late at night, syncing shouldn't be too much of a problem. I guess I'll just use 2 Linux boxes as file servers.

I've been trying to think of other ways of doing it, but the data is so large and the changes aren't that frequent, so duplicate HDs seem to be a reasonable way to go.

Love to hear others thoughts.
kiwi
Title: Re:What's the size of your music collection
Post by: xen-uno on May 12, 2004, 11:22:30 pm: 36 GB (~4500 tracks) on a RAID Level 1 array consisting of...

2500 ogg's
1800 mp3's
200 mpc's

How they got there (the ogg's)...

EAC>Flac>OggDropXPd***. Flacs are copied twice (1st copy verified) to DVD+RW's (on different brands...Imation & Fuji to date) using RecordNowMax then deleted off the system. Burning to DVD (~4.3 GB of flacs per disk) takes about 40/25 mins verified/non-verified.

***Works great on a LAN. Had 3 machines rippin & 'Droppin a couple weeks ago. Made short work of 50 CD's or so.

10^-27
Title: Re:What's the size of your music collection
Post by: 'T' on May 13, 2004, 12:13:18 am: Got 320 GB... all MP3's 50.000 tracks
have backed up to seperate disk.

Any tips on what software to use when syncing 2 drives?

im using AMG to find album covers... works pretty fast when copying and pasting between mc 10 and the website. Would like to hear if anybody knows of other sites where i may find album covers as AMG doesnt have em all.?

I have been using MC to rip cd... but with very poor results. The database comes up blank on most cd's. I have been using Windown Media Player to rip as it is much better at finding them.

Anybody know of a tagging software that can find both track names and album covers in the same process??
Title: Re:What's the size of your music collection
Post by: Shady Bimmer on May 13, 2004, 07:02:58 am: Quote from: kiwi on May 12, 2004, 08:38:29 pm
So... how are people with larger collections backing them up? RAID arrays give some comfort, but having a full second copy somewhere else would probably be nice.
For commercial CDs that I own, the CDs themselves are my backups.
For the live shows and other collections, I typically burn a CD with the original format I received (IE: flac, shn, ape) and that serves as my backup.

I keep the database backed up (Tools -> Library -> Backup) on a client pc and both the server (non-multimedia only) and client are backed up to tape.

With over 1TB in music alone there aren't many options.

I currently have 6x300GB in a RAID5 array, 6x200GB in another RAID5 array, and 6x100GB in yet another RAID5 array. I've got a 2TB volume (max size for 32 bit platforms) and a 1TB volume. Of course when I go 6x400 (probably by the end of this year once prices drop) in RAID5 I'll have room to rearrange my other raid sets first and probably retire the 6x100GB set.

The RAID5 protects against single-unit failures. The original media (CDs) protect against simple "mistakes". Unfortunately I don't have any real protection against catastrophic failure - I won't lose data but there will be a signifcant effort to rerip everything in this scenario :(

I've got a PIII 1GHz with 1GB memory running Red Hat EL3AS as my server. Samba 3.0.1 makes it all available to my Win PCs.

[Edit]
I should also mention that I'm using native software RAID and LVM from RHEL. Rebuilding arrays after power failure takes signficant time (regardless of implementation) so I've got this box on a 1KVA UPS. Power in my area isn't exactly "stable". You'd think living 1/4 mile from the power plant would help but in fact it makes it worse: As power factor correction gets switched in and out the resulting spike (or drop) combined with the signifcant phase shift tends to cause PCs to reboot. During the summer the UPS typically records a pair of these events each day. . .
Title: Re:What's the size of your music collection
Post by: jleerigby on May 13, 2004, 07:20:01 am: I have just over 25000 MP3s that are tagged in my library and about another 8000 to go. I concentrate on quality rather than quantity so all my tracks have been carefully vetted and every one is fully tagged. About 70% have been rated and a similar number have lyrics. All except some compilation albums have the correct cover art.

All of this collecting and tagging took many hours over the last couple of years, hence I take regular back ups to an identical hard drive which is in a removable caddy. I keep this at work to protect me against fire or theft. From reading the posts this seems to be the main thing that people forget to guard against. There's not much point in having a backup on some media in your house (the original CD's for instance) if it's stolen with the PC or the house burns down.
Title: Re:What's the size of your music collection
Post by: Shady Bimmer on May 13, 2004, 09:33:17 am: Ha! I wish I could leverage our systems at work for my backups. We passed a Yottabyte (that's a Tera-Terabyte) of disk storage three years ago and it is increasing at a phenomal rate.

I do backup everything but the actual media files (wav, flac, ape, etc) themselves. I don't have any way to realistically protect against catastrophic failure, but in that event I figure I'll have a bit more to worry about than my media collection :(

I too focus on quality, which is why I'm staying with lossless. I don't have lyrics yet, but I do have cover art for most collections and I do fill in as much of the library fields as possible. Notes and Comments in particular are used very heavily, especially for live shows.
Title: Re:What's the size of your music collection
Post by: Richard Berg on May 14, 2004, 12:29:08 am: A yottabyte? I'm a complete storage nut, but even I have a hard time stomaching that. Where do you work?
Title: Re:What's the size of your music collection
Post by: Shady Bimmer on May 14, 2004, 08:42:50 am: My client is a large financial institution in NYC.

SAN makes it all possible.
Title: Re:What's the size of your music collection
Post by: LonWar on May 14, 2004, 09:05:24 am: kilobyte = 2^10 Bytes = 1024 bytes
1 Megabyte = 2^20 Bytes = 1024 kilobytes
1 gigabyte = 2^30 Bytes = 1024 Megabytes
1 terabyte = 2^40 Bytes = 1024 gigabytes
1 petabyte = 2^50 Bytes = 1024 terabytes
1 Exabyte = 2^60 Bytes = 1024 petabytes
1 Zettabyte = 2^70 Bytes = 1024 Exabytes
1 Yottabyte = 2^80 Bytes = 1024 Zettabytes

1 kilobyte =1,024 bytes
1 kilobytes=1,048,576 bytes
1 gigabyte =1,073,741,824 bytes
1 terabyte =1,099,511,627,776 bytes
1 petabyte =1,125,899,906,842,624 bytes
1 Exabyte =1,152,921,504,606,846,976 bytes
1 Zettabyte=1,180,591,620,717,411,303,424 bytes
1 Yottabyte=1,208,925,819,614,629,174,706,176 bytes

Ok, Somebody is just a freak!
Title: Re:What's the size of your music collection
Post by: JimH on May 14, 2004, 09:06:32 am: Yotta yotta yotta.
Title: Re:What's the size of your music collection
Post by: Shady Bimmer on May 14, 2004, 01:44:35 pm: Yada Yada Yada
Title: Re:What's the size of your music collection
Post by: Tangoman on May 14, 2004, 04:02:52 pm: 110 gigs mix of Mp3 and ape About 70% Tango music
Title: Re:What's the size of your music collection
Post by: fex on May 14, 2004, 06:06:51 pm: Quote from: Shady Bimmer on May 13, 2004, 09:33:17 am
Ha! ... We passed a Yottabyte (that's a Tera-Terabyte) ...

(http://www.fex.ch/suckers.bmp) ;D
Title: Re:What's the size of your music collection
Post by: hit_ny on May 14, 2004, 08:51:13 pm: It's interesting to note that 40% of the poll have more than 140GB.

It's at the point where one's collection gets unwieldy that MC helps manage it all.
Title: Re:What's the size of your music collection
Post by: pipsqueak on May 15, 2004, 01:49:33 am: Quote from: Shady Bimmer on May 14, 2004, 08:42:50 am
My client is a large financial institution in NYC.

SAN makes it all possible.

Shady - what pieces of hardware do you even piece together to make a yottabyte?
Title: Re:What's the size of your music collection
Post by: paulr on May 15, 2004, 02:23:44 am: That would be one trillion one terabyte hard drives.... There aren't enough hard drives on this planet for that much storage. :)

Are we talking archival tapes?
Title: Re:What's the size of your music collection
Post by: Shady Bimmer on May 15, 2004, 03:11:02 pm: Like I said folks - SAN: Storage Area Networks.

LOTS of fiber connected frames.

Think EMC (http://www.emc.com/index.jsp) and HDS (http://hds.com/) as a start. There's also a quite a few older ESCON IBM units.

Single frames can now provide over 100TB easily.

When I mentioned SAN makes it all possible I should have also pointed out that it is most certainly not all in the same location. We just use it as if it was ;D (At least what exists in the same continent, since this storage is spread around the globe).
Title: Re:What's the size of your music collection
Post by: benrad on May 15, 2004, 08:50:58 pm: I have about 44 GB of VBR MP3s, but I've only ripped about half of my collection. I own about 3600 CDs, which usually wows the casual listener, but apparently I've entered the pissing contest to end all pissing contests.

Yottabyte. I thought Terabytes were scary. I thought my 500 GB NAS box at work was beefy.

np: Once Around the Park by 5ive Style from "5ive Style"
Title: Re:What's the size of your music collection
Post by: Sauzee on May 17, 2004, 04:17:59 pm: Quote from: Deivit on May 10, 2004, 12:48:27 pm
Currently 117,278 mp3s - 531,3 GB
Still some 3,000 CDs to rip

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Listening to: 'Whole Lotta Shakin' Goin' On' from 'The Legendary Sun Records Story [BOX SET] (CD 1)' by 'Jerry Lee Lewis' on Media Center 10

Deivit

You could add another 117,278 mp3's, but you won't find one as good as Whole Lotta Shakin' by Jerry Lee Lewis. ;D
Title: Re:What's the size of your music collection
Post by: Deivit on May 18, 2004, 01:04:07 am: Quote from: Sauzee on May 17, 2004, 04:17:59 pm
Quote from: Deivit on May 10, 2004, 12:48:27 pm
Currently 117,278 mp3s - 531,3 GB
Still some 3,000 CDs to rip

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Listening to: 'Whole Lotta Shakin' Goin' On' from 'The Legendary Sun Records Story [BOX SET] (CD 1)' by 'Jerry Lee Lewis' on Media Center 10

Deivit

You could add another 117,278 mp3's, but you won't find one as good as Whole Lotta Shakin' by Jerry Lee Lewis. ;D

Indeed ;D
Title: Re:What's the size of your music collection
Post by: geekbeats2 on May 20, 2004, 03:08:44 pm: 464 gigs all ripped in mp3 --alt-preset insane 320 kbps.
also have about 120 gigs of xvid/divx movies