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Title: A question about yadb, cdplayer.ini and Mc's library
Post by: sertua on September 06, 2004, 12:10:25 pm
When I insert a cd not on Yadb or in my cdplayer.ini file, and I'm not connected to the internet, MC keeps in its library an unknown album association.  If I insert it again, there's the possibility to update from Yadb, but not from the cdplayer.ini file.  When I can't find albums on Yadb (especially more recent South American, Asian or African music), I often check them out on Freedb with another program, but then MC won't update from the cdplayer.ini, unless I manually delete the unknown entry cd from MS's library. Is there a reason for the library to keep unknown cd associations in its database?  If yes, could MC try to update those albums through cdplayer.ini as well?
Title: Re:A question about yadb, cdplayer.ini and Mc's library
Post by: sertua on September 13, 2004, 12:17:29 pm
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Title: Re:A question about yadb, cdplayer.ini and Mc's library
Post by: sertua on September 21, 2004, 10:28:35 pm
Anybody out there?
I guess I should find a sexier title!
Title: Re:A question about yadb, cdplayer.ini and Mc's library
Post by: Sauzee on September 22, 2004, 05:08:48 am
You make a good point.  

I don't think MC looks at cdplayer.ini after it has initially allocated unknown CD to the CD.  

Would be good to have a right click option to "update from cdplayer.ini"
Title: Re:A question about yadb, cdplayer.ini and Mc's library
Post by: JohnT on October 06, 2004, 01:48:08 pm
You make a good point.  

I don't think MC looks at cdplayer.ini after it has initially allocated unknown CD to the CD.  

Would be good to have a right click option to "update from cdplayer.ini"
That option is now in MC as of 11.0.195:

13. NEW: Added context menu option to update CD info from the cdplayer.ini file rather than YADB.
Title: Re:A question about yadb, cdplayer.ini and Mc's library
Post by: bytestar on October 06, 2004, 03:04:17 pm
Too bad that mc doesn't support freedb. YADB only recognizes a small portion of the CDs that freedb recognizes. most audio grabbing tools support freedb, mabey there could be a way to freedb as an alternative ?
Title: Re:A question about yadb, cdplayer.ini and Mc's library
Post by: Sauzee on October 06, 2004, 06:54:19 pm
You make a good point.  

I don't think MC looks at cdplayer.ini after it has initially allocated unknown CD to the CD.  

Would be good to have a right click option to "update from cdplayer.ini"
That option is now in MC as of 11.0.195:

13. NEW: Added context menu option to update CD info from the cdplayer.ini file rather than YADB.


Thanks JohnT !
Title: Re:A question about yadb, cdplayer.ini and Mc's library
Post by: LonWar on October 06, 2004, 08:28:25 pm
Too bad that mc doesn't support freedb. YADB only recognizes a small portion of the CDs that freedb recognizes. most audio grabbing tools support freedb, mabey there could be a way to freedb as an alternative ?

YADB was built from FreeDB...
Title: Re:A question about yadb, cdplayer.ini and Mc's library
Post by: sertua on October 06, 2004, 08:46:22 pm
 :)

Thank you JohnT!
Title: Re:A question about yadb, cdplayer.ini and Mc's library
Post by: JimH on October 07, 2004, 07:05:38 am
YADB was built from FreeDB...
From FreeDB data -- not source.  We wrote the software that drives it from scratch.
Title: Re:A question about yadb, cdplayer.ini and Mc's library
Post by: bytestar on October 07, 2004, 02:01:32 pm
i there a way to freedb as an alternative  ?
Title: Re:A question about yadb, cdplayer.ini and Mc's library
Post by: JimH on October 07, 2004, 02:05:22 pm
No.  Not possible.  Not planned.  Never will happen.  No.
Title: Re:A question about yadb, cdplayer.ini and Mc's library
Post by: editdsn on October 07, 2004, 10:00:50 pm
this is by far the greatest shortcoming of MC, imo. i never use MC's ripping feature due to this, in stead i prefer EAC.
freedb support would be a wonderful addition.
Title: Re:A question about yadb, cdplayer.ini and Mc's library
Post by: JimH on October 07, 2004, 10:09:05 pm
this is by far the greatest shortcoming of MC, imo.
There are others who would differ on this, I think.  In any event, it isn't going to change.  It works very well.  We had a lot of trouble with other solutions.
Title: Re:A question about yadb, cdplayer.ini and Mc's library
Post by: GreggP on October 08, 2004, 09:33:29 am
I'm not a big fan of freedb, gracenote or yadb. All of them rely on submissions from users which are not always accurate or formatted correctly/consistently. The AMG (allmusic.com) data is an improvement.

So with Media Center, the process of ripping a CD has always been a multistep process for me. I always have to run AMG from a browser so I can double check the yadb entries for accuracy. I also need to get data for a couple of other useful fields, like 'year', 'year recorded' (a custom field that is useful for many compilation or 'best of' albums) and 'AMG rating'.
Title: Re:A question about yadb, cdplayer.ini and Mc's library
Post by: IanG on October 09, 2004, 07:28:08 am
You make a good point.  

I don't think MC looks at cdplayer.ini after it has initially allocated unknown CD to the CD.  

Would be good to have a right click option to "update from cdplayer.ini"
That option is now in MC as of 11.0.195:

13. NEW: Added context menu option to update CD info from the cdplayer.ini file rather than YADB.


Where exactly is this option?  I'm running 11.0.97, but I can't find it  :-[  After loading a CD I can see options to use YADB or the CD db, but not cdplayer.ini.

Ian G.
Title: Re:A question about yadb, cdplayer.ini and Mc's library
Post by: editdsn on October 09, 2004, 08:54:02 am
You make a good point.  

I don't think MC looks at cdplayer.ini after it has initially allocated unknown CD to the CD.  

Would be good to have a right click option to "update from cdplayer.ini"
That option is now in MC as of 11.0.195:

13. NEW: Added context menu option to update CD info from the cdplayer.ini file rather than YADB.


same here.... where is this function? i cant seem, to find it anywhere.

Media Center 11.0.97 -- C:\Program Files\audio\J River\Media Center 11\

Microsoft Windows XP  Workstation 5.1 Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
AMD Athlon 2154 MHz MMX / Memory: Total - 1310 MB, Free - 877 MB

Internet Explorer: 6.0.2900.2180 / ComCtl32.dll: 5.82 (xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-2158) / Shlwapi.dll: 6.00.2900.2180 (xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-2158) / Shell32.dll: 6.00.2900.2180 (xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-2158) / wnaspi32.dll: 4.60 (1021) , ASPI for Win32 (95/NT) DLL, Copyright © 1989-1999 Adaptec, Inc. / Aspi32.sys: 4.60 (1021)

Ripping /   Drive X: SONY    DVD RW DRU-700A   Mode:ModeSecure  Type:Auto  Speed:Max
  Drive Y:   Mode:Normal  Type:Auto  Speed:Max
  Drive Z:   Mode:Normal  Type:Auto  Speed:Max
  Digital playback: Yes /  Use YADB: Yes /  Get cover art: No /  Calc replay gain: Yes /  Copy volume: 32767
  Eject after ripping: Yes /  Play sound after ripping: No  

Burning /  Drive X: SONY     DVD RW DRU-700A    Addr: 0:2:0  Speed:16  MaxSpeed:40  BurnProof:Yes
  Test mode: No /  Eject after writing: Yes /  Direct decoding: Yes /  Write CD-Text: Yes
  Use playback settings: Yes /  Normalization: None
Title: Re:A question about yadb, cdplayer.ini and Mc's library
Post by: bytestar on October 09, 2004, 09:44:35 am
same for me  :(

Media Center 11.0.98 -- C:\Programme\J River\Media Center\

Microsoft Windows XP  Workstation 5.1 Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
AMD Athlon 1539 MHz MMX / Memory: Total - 1048 MB, Free - 565 MB

Internet Explorer: 6.0.2900.2180 / ComCtl32.dll: 5.82 (xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-2158) / Shlwapi.dll: 6.00.2900.2180 (xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-2158) / Shell32.dll: 6.00.2900.2180 (xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-2158) / wnaspi32.dll: 4.71 (0002) , ASPI for Win32         DLL, Copyright © 1989-2002 Adaptec, Inc. / Aspi32.sys: 4.71 (0002)

Ripping /   Drive J: HL-DT-STDVDRAM GSA-4120B  Mode:ModeSecure  Type:Auto  Speed:Max
  Drive K: LITE-ON LTR-48246S        Mode:ModeSecure  Type:Auto  Speed:Max
  Drive L:   Mode:ModeSecure  Type:Auto  Speed:Max
  Drive M:   Mode:ModeSecure  Type:Auto  Speed:Max
  Digital playback: Yes /  Use YADB: Yes /  Get cover art: Yes /  Calc replay gain: Yes /  Copy volume: 32767
  Eject after ripping: No /  Play sound after ripping: No  

Burning /  Drive J: HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4120B   Addr: 0:0:0  Speed:16  MaxSpeed:40  BurnProof:Yes
  Drive K: LITE-ON  LTR-48246S         Addr: 0:1:0  Speed:24  MaxSpeed:48  BurnProof:Yes
  Test mode: No /  Eject after writing: No /  Direct decoding: Yes /  Write CD-Text: Yes
  Use playback settings: No /  Normalization: None
Title: Re:A question about yadb, cdplayer.ini and Mc's library
Post by: JohnT on October 11, 2004, 08:45:53 am
Right click on the CD drive in the tree and select "Update from CDPlayer.ini".

EDIT: It looks like the menu option got removed from the build. It will be back in the next build.
Title: Re:A question about yadb, cdplayer.ini and Mc's library
Post by: bytestar on October 11, 2004, 09:37:48 am
ah  ;D ok
Title: Re:A question about yadb, cdplayer.ini and Mc's library
Post by: editdsn on October 12, 2004, 06:32:30 am
thx