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Title: Somewhat OT -- Creative and Evil Patent-Mongering
Post by: glynor on December 09, 2005, 02:50:42 pm
Has anyone seen this story about Creative going after Apple for the iPod interface (http://techreport.com/onearticle.x/9131)?  Something really needs to be done about the sorry state of the Patent (and Copyright) systems...  For now, it's too bad Creative can't take a hint from their company's name and actually develop some innovative products, instead of using a Patent Club (TM) to beat on their rivals.

This type of thing makes me far less likely to purchase any new Creative products (such as the new X-Fi cards), but I'm quite concerned about these issues.  Do others feel the same when making purchase decisions?
Title: Re: Somewhat OT -- Creative and Evil Patent-Mongering
Post by: JimH on December 09, 2005, 03:26:25 pm
My understanding was that Apple claimed they owned the scroll wheel and threatened to sue Creative if they used it.  Apple also threatened to sue Real for figuring out how to write "Fairplay" protected files to the iPod.

I agree that patents have become ridiculous.
Title: Re: Somewhat OT -- Creative and Evil Patent-Mongering
Post by: lOth on December 09, 2005, 03:34:59 pm
This is plagiarism:

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I agree that patents have become ridiculous

I'm the actual original author of that sentence.
Title: Re: Somewhat OT -- Creative and Evil Patent-Mongering
Post by: JimH on December 09, 2005, 03:37:01 pm
You make an excellent point.
Title: Re: Somewhat OT -- Creative and Evil Patent-Mongering
Post by: lOth on December 09, 2005, 03:42:24 pm
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You make an excellent point.

Now, this one is from Steven Colbert's "Formidable opponent".

OK, OK, I'll stop...  :-[
Title: Re: Somewhat OT -- Creative and Evil Patent-Mongering
Post by: JimH on December 09, 2005, 03:55:02 pm
Do you feel like stopping?
Title: Re: Somewhat OT -- Creative and Evil Patent-Mongering
Post by: lOth on December 09, 2005, 04:00:50 pm
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Do you feel like stopping?

hmm... I don't know who this one's from.
Title: Re: Somewhat OT -- Creative and Evil Patent-Mongering
Post by: JimH on December 09, 2005, 04:30:27 pm
In the prehistoric days of computing, there was a simple game, called Liza (I think).  The game was a fake psychiatrist.  It would say

"How are you?"

If you said, "Fine.", it would say:

"Really?"

You'd say, "Well, yes.", it would say:

"Are you telling me the truth?  How do you really feel?"

or

"You seem a little blue today."

and so on.

It was pretty erie what it would come back with sometimes.  You really felt like she knew things about you that you wouldn't want her to tell anyone.
Title: Re: Somewhat OT -- Creative and Evil Patent-Mongering
Post by: lOth on December 09, 2005, 04:34:44 pm
I understand. What about you?
Title: Re: Somewhat OT -- Creative and Evil Patent-Mongering
Post by: JimH on December 09, 2005, 04:39:03 pm
I'm fine, really.
Title: Re: Somewhat OT -- Creative and Evil Patent-Mongering
Post by: lOth on December 09, 2005, 04:43:22 pm
What I like about you, JRiver people, is that even when you give us a build with not much of a bug to keep us busy, you keep us entertained anyway.
Title: Re: Somewhat OT -- Creative and Evil Patent-Mongering
Post by: JimH on December 09, 2005, 04:49:57 pm
 ::) :) ;)

Ditto for our friends out there.  Thanks!
Title: Re: Somewhat OT -- Creative and Evil Patent-Mongering
Post by: jgreen on December 09, 2005, 05:07:31 pm
JimH, you and IOth might want to consider getting a room together.  There are issues that need to be worked out here.
Title: Re: Somewhat OT -- Creative and Evil Patent-Mongering
Post by: lOth on December 09, 2005, 05:11:07 pm
Issues? hmm... You seem a little blue today.
Title: Re: Somewhat OT -- Creative and Evil Patent-Mongering
Post by: jgreen on December 09, 2005, 05:16:42 pm
Not my intent.  It's just that Iwas seeing such a mutual admiration/oddity society here.
Title: Re: Somewhat OT -- Creative and Evil Patent-Mongering
Post by: JimH on December 09, 2005, 05:22:27 pm
Not my intent.  It's just that Iwas seeing such a mutual admiration/oddity society here.
So how do you feel about it?
Title: Re: Somewhat OT -- Creative and Evil Patent-Mongering
Post by: JaredH on December 09, 2005, 05:24:54 pm
To rope and wrangle this topic back on track for a minute:

 ;) ---------O  :o

I personally think Creative's products rival Apple's anyday. Sound quality being the biggest of their strengths.

However I do feel that patents have gotten out of hand as well
Title: Re: Somewhat OT -- Creative and Evil Patent-Mongering
Post by: jgreen on December 09, 2005, 05:30:51 pm
1.  Okay, I get it (finally).  JimH and IOth, I give up.  I'm better off harassing Sparta or the scandinavians, who are always good for a chuckle.  You guys are just too quick for me!

2.  Creative products (the original post).  I use them.  The highest-quality "consumer" hardware for audio, IMO. (EMU, etc are "prosumer, IMO). 

 The drawback is that the CEO Sim-Wong Hoo, has real difficulty with sticking to facts.  Witness the class-action settlement for over-promising on the specs, etc etc. 
Title: Re: Somewhat OT -- Creative and Evil Patent-Mongering
Post by: pank2002 on December 09, 2005, 05:49:52 pm
In the prehistoric days of computing, there was a simple game, called Liza (I think).  The game was a fake psychiatrist.  It would say


It still exists. It's part of Emacs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emacs).

1.  Okay, I get it (finally).  JimH and IOth, I give up.  I'm better off harassing Sparta or the scandinavians, who are always good for a chuckle.  You guys are just too quick for me!

You shouldn't harsh the Scandinavians (with a capital S, please), since we are all violent vikings prepared to do something stupid! Argh! And Mastiff has a dog! You'd better watch your back. Mr. Sparta is, of course, all yours...
 ;)
Title: Re: Somewhat OT -- Creative and Evil Patent-Mongering
Post by: KingSparta on December 09, 2005, 05:54:10 pm
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In the prehistoric days of computing, there was a simple game, called Liza (I think).

Yep I Remember Typing It In.

It was one of the things that got me into basic programming before i took a few college courses with Texas A&M on programming when i was in Germany (they have classes over there for the military) many moons ago.

Title: Re: Somewhat OT -- Creative and Evil Patent-Mongering
Post by: Mr ChriZ on December 09, 2005, 09:02:25 pm
Ice cream anyone?

http://yabb.jriver.com/cpg/displayimage.php?album=40&pos=0
Title: Re: Somewhat OT -- Creative and Evil Patent-Mongering
Post by: jgreen on December 09, 2005, 09:32:00 pm
Between the Dutchmen and Mr. ChriZ, we might as well start using hand signals.  Are those your pictures, which you have highjacked this thread to present, or am I missing something again?

If those are your pix, I like #4, although I would frame in so than the lower dark area is almost gone. 
Title: Re: Somewhat OT -- Creative and Evil Patent-Mongering
Post by: Mr ChriZ on December 09, 2005, 09:48:23 pm
Between the Dutchmen and Mr. ChriZ, we might as well start using hand signals.  Are those your pictures, which you have highjacked this thread to present, or am I missing something again?

If those are your pix, I like #4, although I would frame in so than the lower dark area is almost gone. 

Yeh thats about the jist of it, cheers for the recommendation, I'll look at clipping it tomoz!
This seemed like a well hijacked thread already so i though i'd add to the melay.

Theres some nobs outside keeping me and anyone else in the neighbourhood from going asleep.
It's 3am in the morning and they're loud and drunk and have been there for 2 hours.  :(
It's tempting to call the police but from what i've seen in the past they don't actually do much,
and it looks like they may finally be disbanding... :-S
Title: Re: Somewhat OT -- Creative and Evil Patent-Mongering
Post by: Sartre on December 10, 2005, 01:28:08 am
It still exists. It's part of Emacs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emacs).

There's a Miranda IM plugin too, called Eliza, which I use to annoy the hell out of my nephew.   ;D
Title: Re: Somewhat OT -- Creative and Evil Patent-Mongering
Post by: JimH on December 10, 2005, 09:52:09 am
Eliza.  Thanks for the correction.  Here's some history:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELIZA
Title: Re: Somewhat OT -- Creative and Evil Patent-Mongering
Post by: hit_ny on December 10, 2005, 09:59:28 am
The only winners in this patent circus are the lawyers that fight the cases.

Talk about work for life....

...which is why i don't think it will be solved in the near future (if at all).
Title: Re: Somewhat OT -- Creative and Evil Patent-Mongering
Post by: lOth on December 10, 2005, 10:19:41 am
You're getting off-topic guys...

How are you feeling today?
Title: Re: Somewhat OT -- Creative and Evil Patent-Mongering
Post by: modelmaker on December 10, 2005, 08:27:04 pm
I was feeling kinda blue... ;)


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