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Title: Where The Heck Is Split View?--SOLVED!
Post by: jgreen on August 23, 2006, 10:59:30 am
I haven't used split views with 12x and now I can't find them.  I've got split views enabled under features, yet there is no sign of them.  Are they with the Download Manager?
Title: Re: Where The Heck Is Split View?
Post by: zxsix on August 23, 2006, 11:36:32 am
View > Split Views > Show 2 Views works for me.
Title: Re: Where The Heck Is Split View?
Post by: jgreen on August 23, 2006, 12:28:51 pm
I have no such option showing under the view menu header, where they used to be.  All I show there is standard view/mini view/display view.  I have split view enabled under "features" (although not theater view). 

FWIW, I have no "web media" access menu, either. 
Title: Re: Where The Heck Is Split View?
Post by: LonWar on August 23, 2006, 12:32:23 pm
Neither did I,

I clicked on View Standard View.

Then View and I saw the rest of the options.


Doesn't look like it goes back to Standard view from Mini propperly
Title: Re: Where The Heck Is Split View?
Post by: jgreen on August 23, 2006, 12:47:12 pm
OMG.
Title: Re: Where The Heck Is Split View?--SOLVED!
Post by: Matt on August 23, 2006, 03:00:52 pm
By design, menus are simplified when in Mini View.  I think this makes sense -- there's 0 views in Mini View, so why show a split view menu?  It's the same reason we get rid of Edit and Help.
Title: Re: Where The Heck Is Split View?--SOLVED!
Post by: jgreen on August 23, 2006, 03:08:20 pm
It's not returning to standard view menu afterwards.
Title: Re: Where The Heck Is Split View?--SOLVED!
Post by: Alex B on August 23, 2006, 03:40:33 pm
I cannot reproduce the problem. I tried switching between the Standard View (Noire skin) and several different Mini skins & Display View. (12.0.59)
Title: Re: Where The Heck Is Split View?--SOLVED!
Post by: Matt on August 23, 2006, 03:43:49 pm
I can't reproduce it either.  Any tips?
Title: Re: Where The Heck Is Split View?--SOLVED!
Post by: jgreen on August 23, 2006, 04:42:01 pm
I'm starting to think that it was the fault of Zone Alarm firewall.  If Gamer's using it that would clinch it for me.  I looked in the firewall settings and ZA was inspecting interactions between MC and "other programs" (or processes), possibly slowing down or freezing things.  Since I set ZA to give MC carte blanche program interaction I have not seen the problem. 
Title: Re: Where The Heck Is Split View?--SOLVED!
Post by: Matt on August 23, 2006, 04:51:29 pm
We hear too many strange things like this.  It could be the same reason you were seeing that "deep sleep" you described.

The cure is often worse than the disease.
Title: Re: Where The Heck Is Split View?--SOLVED!
Post by: jgreen on August 23, 2006, 05:32:23 pm
Okay, let's say that it is the "fault" of Zone Alarm and/or similar.  There's an awful lot of that stuff out there--does that mean that all of us just have to be patient?  Selecting "audio" from a rest state showing the "no internet" page took the same amount of time as loading the program fresh--about 25 seconds.
Title: Re: Where The Heck Is Split View?--SOLVED!
Post by: Matt on August 23, 2006, 06:16:34 pm
Okay, let's say that it is the "fault" of Zone Alarm and/or similar.  There's an awful lot of that stuff out there--does that mean that all of us just have to be patient?

Sorry if I sounded crotchety.  Programs that use system-wide hooks have caused us (and our users) a lot of grief in the past.

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Selecting "audio" from a rest state showing the "no internet" page took the same amount of time as loading the program fresh--about 25 seconds.

I think something is wrong either with your system, your library, or with MC.

As a comparison, starting MC or switching library views takes less than half a second with the machine I'm on now.

Try disabling extra stuff. (both in MC and outside)  Posting a log of the startup might help us.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Where The Heck Is Split View?--SOLVED!
Post by: Doof on August 23, 2006, 06:35:27 pm
FWIW, I could never reproduce this either. Or the slowdown thing. :P
Title: Re: Where The Heck Is Split View?--SOLVED!
Post by: datdude on August 23, 2006, 06:54:15 pm
this happens to me from time to time as well.  I am using Trend Micro PC-Cillin anti-virus.
Title: Re: Where The Heck Is Split View?--SOLVED!
Post by: LonWar on August 23, 2006, 08:12:37 pm
Okay, let's say that it is the "fault" of Zone Alarm and/or similar.  There's an awful lot of that stuff out there--does that mean that all of us just have to be patient?  Selecting "audio" from a rest state showing the "no internet" page took the same amount of time as loading the program fresh--about 25 seconds.

Nope ZA is NOT the culprit.

2 Different computers. Neither have ZA and I can re produce at will


Mega View - Mini View - Use the Return To Mega View (Right Click) then use the View drop down....
I only have 3 options untill I again choose View Standard View.


Let me know if I can give you any other info
Title: Re: Where The Heck Is Split View?--SOLVED!
Post by: Doof on August 23, 2006, 10:12:03 pm
Nope, still can't reproduce it here, even following those steps.

What mini-skin are you using? There is no right click menu when you're using Slim, so I switched to a couple of the other mini-skins. I found the right click menu and the Return To Standard View menu item, but even then my View menu is complete when I return to Standard View.
Title: Re: Where The Heck Is Split View?--SOLVED!
Post by: jgreen on August 23, 2006, 10:57:22 pm
Doof--
We're talking about the bog-standard mini that comes with the program, straight outta the jriver factory.

Matt--

Pullease!  You (and the rest of you guys) are writing the best media manager/playback program on the planet.  I just want you to know that, in the words of the reverend Desmond Tutu, it is "highly imperfect".  IMO, you've gone a bridge too far with the shut down/sleep thing.
Title: Re: Where The Heck Is Split View?--SOLVED!
Post by: modelmaker on August 24, 2006, 12:16:34 am
For what it's worth, I can't reproduce this either. This part works perfectly for me. OTOH I've got some other issues I'd like to talk about..... ;)

Listening to: 'I Don't Want to Discuss It' from 'On Tour With Eric Clapton' by 'Delaney & Bonnie & Friends' on Media Center 12


Media Center Registered 12.0.58 -- C:\Program Files\J River\Media Center 12\

Microsoft Windows 2000  Workstation 5.0 Service Pack 4 (Build 2195)
AMD Athlon 1653 MHz MMX / Memory: Total - 523 MB, Free - 298 MB

Internet Explorer: 6.0.2800.1106 / ComCtl32.dll: 5.81.4916 / Shlwapi.dll: 6.0.2800 / Shell32.dll: 5.0.3900 / wnaspi32.dll: N/A
Ripping /   Drive Y:   Mode:Normal  Type:Auto  Speed:Max
  Digital playback: Yes /  Use YADB: Yes /  Get cover art: No /  Calc replay gain: Yes /  Copy volume: 32767
  Eject after ripping: Yes /  Play sound after ripping: No 

Burning /  Drive Y: LITE-ON  LTR-32123S         Addr: 2:0:0  Speed:32  MaxSpeed:32  BurnProof:Yes
  Test mode: No /  Eject after writing: Yes /  Direct decoding: Yes /  Write CD-Text: Yes
  Use playback settings: No /
Title: Re: Where The Heck Is Split View?--SOLVED!
Post by: LonWar on August 24, 2006, 06:57:45 am
Last night I did it at will...

Today it's on and off... Go figure.
Title: Re: Where The Heck Is Split View?--SOLVED!
Post by: JimH on August 24, 2006, 07:09:44 am
Nope ZA is NOT the culprit.

2 Different computers. Neither have ZA and I can re produce at will
What do the two have in common?  Equipment or software.  Third party software?
Title: Re: Where The Heck Is Split View?--SOLVED!
Post by: LonWar on August 24, 2006, 07:23:45 am
My Work CPU has Playing Now - My 2nd home computer is stock.
Both running 12.059

Get this.... If I close MC, Open MC it opens in Mega. If I click View, I only have 3 items.
If from there I click Standard, I can click from Mega to Mini usually without problems.

But if I close then open, there are only 3 items.



Work is a P3 2.8 ish
Home, AMD 3400+

Title: Re: Where The Heck Is Split View?--SOLVED!
Post by: LonWar on August 24, 2006, 07:53:07 am
This is not only on 59... My other cpu is also a 3400+ and running .56

Soon as I start it, goto view, I have to click standard view before I see the goodies.
Title: Re: Where The Heck Is Split View?--SOLVED!
Post by: Matt on August 24, 2006, 11:05:20 am
Found it.  Using start in "Last Exit" mode causes the strangeness.

The deep sleep jgreen is seeing is still a mystery, but perhaps another thread would be best for that.
Title: Re: Where The Heck Is Split View?--SOLVED!
Post by: jgreen on August 24, 2006, 12:06:43 pm
Yeah, I use "Last Exit" view.  Thanks for tracking it down, Matt.  I'll try to get more details about slow recovery issues and start a new thread.
Title: Re: Where The Heck Is Split View?--SOLVED!
Post by: LonWar on August 25, 2006, 04:17:11 pm
Found it.  Using start in "Last Exit" mode causes the strangeness.

The deep sleep jgreen is seeing is still a mystery, but perhaps another thread would be best for that.

You guy's are my hero's...
 ;D