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More => Old Versions => Media Center 12 (Development Ended) => Topic started by: bbrip on August 29, 2007, 03:08:04 am
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Sorry, but I am really struggling here. I am Trying to play back Video files (mp4, encoded with Nero) on from a Network drive and this just drives me nuts.
First of all, it takes forever before the file loads and starts playback (if it ever does start to play back). This is about 5x slower than starting playback of the same file using Zoomplayer or Nero's Showtime Player.
I have fiddled around with all sorts of Directoshow filter setups for mp4 file extensions but it just does not get any better.
Any clues what I might be doing wrong or why MC12 takes so much time?
NB: It eventually starts playing back files encoded in AVC codec. It comes back with an "Could not find file" error when trying to play back files in the "old" ASP codec. Seems a matter of playback filter configuratiohn, but I've tried jsut about everything....
Any clues?
Many thanks
bbrip
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I had this problem, using a Wireless G connection and Windows Vista. Switching to my wired network fixed it. I agree it should work, though, since it works with WinDVD, Nero, and WMP. There is a Vista bug related to multiple network connections that I'm pretty sure was slowing my system down, since my XP hard wired systems were MUCH MUCH faster.
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I've got a powerline Network, quite fast. Its not the network, otherwise I'd have the same issues playing the stuff back on ZoomPlayer or Nero Showtime. It has to do with MC12, which is not just so much slower in loading the file, there is also mich more jitter than with the other players.
I also compared resource consumption: Playback on Zoomplayer gets me to 12-13% CPU usage, Playback on MC12 to 80-90% !!!
This cant be normal....
bbrip
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I suppose you are not using Library Server. It uses http://... adressses and in my experience it can stream only simple MPEG1 files directly from the server without buffering the complete files first.
By default MC should use the same DirectShow chain that other DirectShow players use so there should not be any difference in startup speed or CPU usage. I use the CCCP filter & codec pack and MP4 video playback works fine when I use a local library that has files imported from a network share (or just dragged to Playing Now) using XP as a server & a client.
I just tried an H.264 & AAC-LC encoded MP4 video file on a 2.8 Ghz P4. The CPU usage was on average about 10% (6-14 %) and playback started without delay (after MC had created the thumbnail). DirectShow used the Haali media splitter and FFDShow video & audio decoders. I have a 100MB wired LAN.
Then only thing I have adjusted in MC's DirectShow options is ticking all video file formats to use DirectShow. I have not configured any specific filters.
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Any podcasts downloading in the background? You can turn that off in MC's General/Features/Advanced (to test).
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I am not using Media Server. Mediaserver cna only stream Audio, but not Video.
No podcasts running in the background. In fact absolutely no other tasks running other then the firefox web browser....
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Then only thing I have adjusted in MC's DirectShow options is ticking all video file formats to use DirectShow. I have not configured any specific filters.
I have just turned all filter selections off and just ticked the mp4 format to use Directshow. It does not change the jittery playback and high resource consumption
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Uninstall your virus checker (to test). Reboot.
Disabling may not be enough.
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Why would that interfere with MC12 but not the other players? Anyway, cant uninstlal on my main machine but do some testing on another machine that doesnt even have Norton on there. I'll report back
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It could be AV software, but since it's not affecting any other players I'm skeptical... MC might use or load the files differently though, so who knows. I think I'd check this first though:
What source and transform filters is MC using to handle MP4 playback? AVC decode is pretty hefty, and if you are using bad or underpowered filters, it can cause severe performance problems. If you don't know what MC is using, this section of the FAQ can help you find out: http://wiki.jrmediacenter.com/index.php/DirectShow_Playback_Guide#Filter_Configuration_During_Playback
While Zoomplayer is a DirectShow player like MC, it does also have some built-in decoding capabilities that could be making it's results slightly different than MC's. Nero uses it's own codecs for playback, which in my experience, are terrible when used outside of it's own player.
What are the specs of your computer? Knowing that could help determine what filters might be successful.
Two options that might help...
(1) If your computer is somewhat underpowered (Pentium 4 "pre-Prescott", Athlon XP, or earlier), using a more "streamlined" decoder filter might help a LOT. CoreAVC is widely regarded as the fastest MPEG-4 (ASP and AVC) decoder out there, but isn't free unfortunately. More here: http://wiki.jrmediacenter.com/index.php/DirectShow_Playback_Guide:Alternative_Filters#Other_MPEG-4_Software_Decoders
(2) Assuming you have a relatively robust system, make sure the source (splitter) filter is something robust. For MP4 playback the best option is really probably Haali Media Splitter. This is included as part of CCCP, which is probably the easiest and best performing option available free of charge. More here: http://wiki.jrmediacenter.com/index.php/DirectShow_Playback_Guide#What_filters_do_I_need_and_where_do_I_get_them.3F
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I have just turned all filter selections off and just ticked the mp4 format to use Directshow. It does not change the jittery playback and high resource consumption
Have you tried to play the same file from a local drive? I wonder if the LAN connection has anything to do with the problem.
I forgot to mention that I can't see any difference in CPU usage when the play the same file from a local drive.
On my PC MC reports these DS filters during playback:
(http://www.adart.pp.fi/mc/pix/mp4filters.jpg)
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On my PC MC reports these DS filters during playback:
Right... Those filters are what you would see if CCCP is handling playback (Haali and FFDSHOW).
FFDSHOW should be completely adequate for the vast majority of machines. I have a Athlon XP @ 2.5GHz (roughly equivalent to the P4) that can handle it with relative ease up to full NTSC SD resolutions (720x480 non-square). I have another slower Athlon XP (not sure of the speed but I think it's a 2.0GHz or a 1.8GHz or so) and it stutters a bit with FFDSHOW if the AVC compression is severe.
That's another point as well... The difficulty in decompressing AVC footage is proportional (though not directly) to the "amount" of compression used and the frame size. Decoding a x264 video at 480x360 is a different story entirely than decoding a x264 video at 720p, and bitrate matters a LOT as well.
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Yes, I have played form a local drive, plays just fine. But then again, it plays just fine on a network drive using Zoomplayer!!
I had configured Haali and ffdshow to be used to playback mp4 files. I have then taken all (manual) filter sleections out - as suggested erlieron - an just ticked mp4 to be handled via directoshow.
It doesnt make any difference. It jitters along quite awfully...
In fact, I always would have expected Haali and ffdshow to be the bast filters to handle mp4. And they handle it playing form local drive thru MC12, just complete failure on network drive... Very strange.
And by the way: Its not Norton interferring. Just plugged a PC in that does not even have virus protection on there - same problems !!!
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Glynor, again, its not computing power. It decodes my AVC files just fine using any other player than MC12. And it has a 2.2GHZ Intel in it to start with, so this is absolutely not the reason why it jitters.
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Just so you know, a 2.2GHz P4 actually is pretty slow by today's standards... Even my 3.0GHz Prescott (P4) machine can't handle AVC decoding of 720p material without completely choking. A 2.2GHz Core 2 Duo (or Athlon 64 X2) is another story of course (though even they will have trouble with HD footage without hardware assistance)...
If you could answer my actual questions, it might help. What filters are being used RIGHT NOW for playback? As I said, comparing to ZoomPlayer and Nero is comparing Apples to Oranges. ZoomPlayer uses some built-in decoders for MPEG-4 playback, and can be configured to ignore the normal DirectShow merit scores (just like MC).
The fact that it is network-only is what leads me to suspect that it is a filter getting in the way. Different filters can access the media on disk in different ways. That big delay before playback starts leads me to suspect that a filter (or set of filters) is trying to handle playback and failing, and then something else is taking over.
What other filters and decoding software do you have installed?
You might also want to check the CCCP Troubleshooting Guide. Particularly here (and down): http://www.cccp-project.net/wiki/index.php?title=Troubleshooting_Guide#After_installing_PowerDVD_7_H.264_playback_is_broken.21
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I am having Haali Media Splitter and ffdshow Audio and Video filters assigned to play back mp4 files. I got the latest version of CCCP installed.
As far as computing power is concerned, sure there are more powerful machines. All I am saying is that there is software around that handles what I expect it to do on the computer (and less powerful ones) I have at hand.
I have been using Zoomplayer so far for Video playback but would LOVE to move to MC12 as I like its much more powerful database capabilities. But if MC12 doesnt handle what I want to do (Ie. stream video via a network drive) - so be it. I will just have to stick with Zoomplayer (or Nero ShowTime) for my video needs for the time being. Thats not the end of the world, also not the most comfy setup.
In terms of decoding software, I have the latest version of the Nero Suite installed (7.0).
bbrip
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It would be important to find out why the file on a network share behaves differently. Surely it is not bandwidth problem if other players can play the file normally.
How exactly do you play these files with MC? Have you imported them to the media library and has MC built all thumbnails?
As a test you could try the following:
Create a new empty library, turn the Auto-Importer and servers off and just drag one video file from the network location to Playing Now and play it. This would more or less mimic the behavior of a simple player that does not have a media library or other automatic tasks running.
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I am having Haali Media Splitter and ffdshow Audio and Video filters assigned to play back mp4 files. I got the latest version of CCCP installed.
While video is playing, right-click in the video window and choose "DirectShow Filters". See if the list of filters are exactly what you assigned. See Alex's screenshot for example.
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Good idea, Alex!
bbrip -- I'm just curious because I've seen this type of issue once or twice before, so I'd like to come up with a solution (to help people in the future). Your computer is certainly powerful enough that it should be able to handle it, I was just making the point for HD footage that might not be equally true. That is NOT the case for this issue though, because it works fine when the file is local (right?).
I'm, personally, betting right now that it is Nero that's causing it. The description of the issue isn't perfect, but I'm wondering if it is related to this:
I randomly get no audio or no video when I play MP4's. Now what?
In 99% of all cases, this is caused by Nero's MP4 splitter (NDparser.ax) interfering. Most users have a working version of it, and then you usually never notice it since it just works (you won't get Haali's tray icon though). However, for some, seemingly random, users it's broken and doesn't provide either video or audio output. The solution to this problem is to unregister it, after verifying that it is indeed the culprit. This is most easily done using the CCCP Insurgent.
That's from the CCCP Troubleshooting guide, and the solution is here: http://www.cccp-project.net/wiki/index.php?title=Troubleshooting_Guide#I_randomly_get_no_audio_or_no_video_when_I_play_MP4.27s._Now_what.3F
Alex certainly could be right though, there could be another process interfering with it as well!
When I asked what filters are actually being used, I meant exactly what Yaobing just said above. Could you list (or post a screenshot) of that with one of the "stuttery" files playing back?
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While video is playing, right-click in the video window and choose "DirectShow Filters". See if the list of filters are exactly what you assigned. See Alex's screenshot for example.
Strange, I am not getting a "DirectShowFilters" item to show up if I rightclick on the Video window. I also dont have Aspect Ratio etc etc.
Only "Display View", "Detach View" and "More...."
That might be the cause of the problem. But dont know why it does not attach the Filters I have specified.... ?
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Good idea, Alex!
bbrip -- I'm just curious because I've seen this type of issue once or twice before, so I'd like to come up with a solution (to help people in the future). Your computer is certainly powerful enough that it should be able to handle it, I was just making the point for HD footage that might not be equally true. That is NOT the case for this issue though, because it works fine when the file is local (right?).
I'm, personally, betting right now that it is Nero that's causing it. The description of the issue isn't perfect, but I'm wondering if it is related to this:
That's from the CCCP Troubleshooting guide, and the solution is here: http://www.cccp-project.net/wiki/index.php?title=Troubleshooting_Guide#I_randomly_get_no_audio_or_no_video_when_I_play_MP4.27s._Now_what.3F
Alex certainly could be right though, there could be another process interfering with it as well!
When I asked what filters are actually being used, I meant exactly what Yaobing just said above. Could you list (or post a screenshot) of that with one of the "stuttery" files playing back?
Thanks Glynor.
However, I do get the Haali Icon to show up in System Tray when a file is playing. But still might be Nero. Its also strange that I dont get the "DirectShow" Submenu showing up.... (see above)
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On the DirectShow options page, do you have the option checked for "Use Windows Media Player When Possible"?
If a right click doesn't show you MC's DirectShow settings, then something else is playing the file. It's what you would see if WMP's or Quicktime's playback engines were in use by MC.
Take a careful look at what's running in Task Manager. Kill anything ipod, itunes, quicktime, or real.
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No, the Windows Media Player Option is disabled (ie not ticked).
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Strange, I am not getting a "DirectShowFilters" item to show up if I rightclick on the Video window. I also dont have Aspect Ratio etc etc.
Only "Display View", "Detach View" and "More...."
That might be the cause of the problem. But dont know why it does not attach the Filters I have specified.... ?
Does the right-click menu also show the "Set Display > Quick Time" item?
Edit:
- during playback.
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No it doesnt. I dont have Quicktime installed
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Do you have the "Set Display" item only and no subitem after it?
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Do you have any Stilton?
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Does the right-click menu also show the "Set Display > Quick Time" item?
Edit:
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Sorry - I have to correct myself. It does show Up "Set Display Quickltime" !! So it seems to be Quicktime messing around here. Probably got on the machine while I was trying around with iTunes...
Where can I set that it ignores Quicktime???
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Do you have any Stilton?
The only thing I know being called Stilton is a Blue Cheese ::)
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I have uninstalled Quicktime altogehter - as i said didnt even realize it was on here!! But now it asks for it when trying to play back files. MC12 just seems to ignore my DirectShow settings for some odd reason... :(
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The only thing I know being called Stilton is a Blue Cheese ::)
Good guess. It's just that the conversation was beginning to remind me of this one:
http://www.thecheesestore.com.au/the_cheese_shop.html
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I Love that one, Jim ;D
So my DirectShowFilters are out today. When can I expect next delivery ;)
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Sorry - I have to correct myself. It does show Up "Set Display Quickltime" !! So it seems to be Quicktime messing around here. Probably got on the machine while I was trying around with iTunes...
QT can play H.264 video files, but the quality is lower and it uses a lot of resources. I have QT installed, but MC does not use it for MP4 video playback.
I have uninstalled Quicktime altogehter - as i said didnt even realize it was on here!! But now it asks for it when trying to play back files. MC12 just seems to ignore my DirectShow settings for some odd reason... :(
Is the filename extension .mp4 or something else? If it is .mp4 have you really selected the MP4 file type in MC's DirectShow options?
You could try to uninstall all installed DirectShow filters and install (or reinstall) the CCCP filter pack. Download the latest version from here: http://cccp-project.net/download.php?type=cccp
Before you install CCCP you should run this program:
http://www.cccp-project.net/wiki/index.php?title=Insurgent
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Alex, Yes it is mp4 and I have triple-checked that I have set the filters againt the mp4 extension. Its all set up that way.
Ok, probably need to go thru the pain to uninstall and reinstall CCCP....
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Good guess. It's just that the conversation was beginning to remind me of this one:
http://www.thecheesestore.com.au/the_cheese_shop.html
;D
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Does your zoomplayer use ffdshow? If not you could open ffdshow's video decoder settings->codecs
and check that libavcodec is used to decode mp4.
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Just installed the latest version of CCCP, rebooted PC - but no luck. The bleeding thing ist still asking fro Quicktime....
Yes. Zoomplayer does use ffdshow
bbrip
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Did you try other MP4 files since you've removed QT?
MP4 is a container. I wonder what's in it.
Did you follow glynor's advice above?
Before you install CCCP you should run this program:
http://www.cccp-project.net/wiki/index.php?title=Insurgent
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Just installed the latest version of CCCP, rebooted PC - but no luck. The bleeding thing ist still asking fro Quicktime....
This is VERY odd. Just to make sure, because you said "installed the latest version" but said nothing about Insurgent or removing previous versions... When you do this, it is extremely important that you follow the steps listed in the CCCP install procedure step-by-step.
This includes:
1. Downloading and running CCCP Insurgent (http://cccp-project.net/download.php?type=cccpi) (there's no install, just run the EXE).
2. Using Add/Remove Programs Control Panel to remove anything it finds, including previous versions of CCCP.
3. Remove any individual codecs you might have installed, such as: DirectVobSub, ffdshow, CoreVorbis, and CoreAAC. The only exceptions are XviD and DivX (but you might as well just remove those too just in case).
4. REBOOT! VERY IMPORTANT!!
5. Install CCCP. Answer yes to reset all settings.
6. Configure CCCP as normal.
Did you do each and every single one of those steps? If not, try that. If so.... Well... Then I'm completely baffled. It should only use Quicktime if the box in DirectShow Playback Options is UNCHECKED.
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I will say though... At least we figured out the poor playback performance part of the deal. Quicktime's performance is TERRIBLE, so that explains that.
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Ok, just going thru all of this again. I just uninstalled CCCP. rebooted (as it asked me to).
Now I run Insurgent.
Says "Combined Community Pack (Uninstalled)" - Guess that is good
Says "Matroschka Pack (uninstalled)" - Guess that is good as well
Also says it finds 235 Filters !!!
How do I get these 235 Filters removed? Manually?
Bit puzzled here... ?
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I will say though... At least we figured out the poor playback performance part of the deal. Quicktime's performance is TERRIBLE, so that explains that.
I agree!!! And I was even considering moving over into the Apple camp.... Although the MacBookPro is a nice machine for the road (I run it on windows using bootcamp) ;D
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I give up for now. I have uninstalled whatever I could using Control Panel / Programs. rebooted, Installed 6 Configured CCCP and still asks for bleedin' Quicktime.
I'm lost :'(
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Are you starting playback from within MC? Or from Explorer?
Did you try other files?
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Also says it finds 235 Filters !!!
How do I get these 235 Filters removed? Manually?
These are likely okay (though who knows)... My system has 285. Some of those come with Windows and some of them are part of CCCP. Some of them come with Nero. Etc, Etc, Etc...
If you did all those steps, I think we've ruled out the filters as he culprit... Unless it is the PowerDVD filter thing or the Nero filter thing.
Either way, I'd now lean more towards something in MC. Have you tried a full uninstall, including removing settings when it asks (back up your library first) and then a reinstall of MC?
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Are you starting playback from within MC? Or from Explorer?
Did you try other files?
Jim, I play them from within MC. Yes, I tried a few dozend different files. All the same issues
Glynor, ok, thanks, I deleted whatever I could and had 229 Filters left when I started reinstalling CCCP. But all didnt fix things.....
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Either way, I'd now lean more towards something in MC. Have you tried a full uninstall, including removing settings when it asks (back up your library first) and then a reinstall of MC?
Yes, I reinstlaled version 308 and then reinstalled it, all doesnt make any difference. Also started with completely empty library. No difference. It simply keeps asking for that stupid Quicktime player
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Maybe there is something in the FileAssociations.xml which prevents MC to use directshow filter for mp4?
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bbrib,
I would like to have more information about the file format and your DS chain.
Could you run the following tests with the CCCP Insurgent program and post the results here?
Tools > Test Render...
Tools > Media Information...
Also, change the filename extension from .mp4 to .avi and/or .mkv and try playback. Does MC use DirectShow now?
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Here Media Information on one of the Files:
General:
Filename: Harry Potter und der Feuerkelch.mp4
Filesize: 2.51 GiB
Format:
PlayTime: 02:30:38.000
1 video stream(s), 2 audio stream(s), 1 subtitle stream(s).
Video Stream 0:
Length: 02:30:38.000
Frames: 225950, 25.000 fps, 2043 Kbps
Codec: avc1 (Family: )
Dimensions: 720x304, AR: 2.35
Audio Stream 0:
Codec: AAC LC-SBR, A_AAC/MPEG4/LC/SBR, AAC Low Complexity with Spectral Band Replication
Bitrate: 166 Kbps
Bitrate Mode: VBR
Sampling Rate: 48 KHz
Channel(s): 6 channel
Resolution: 16 bits per sample
Audio Stream 1:
Codec: AAC LC-SBR, A_AAC/MPEG4/LC/SBR, AAC Low Complexity with Spectral Band Replication
Bitrate: 165 Kbps
Bitrate Mode: VBR
Sampling Rate: 48 KHz
Channel(s): 6 channel
Resolution: 16 bits per sample
Subtitle Stream 0:
Title: Englisch
Language: English
Codec: subp, The same subtitle format used on DVDs
... and here the render for the same file
File: J:\Video\Harry Potter und der Feuerkelch.mp4
Filter 0: Default DirectSound Device
Filename: C:\WINDOWS\system32\quartz.dll
Filter CRC: EFF011E9
Date: 2005-08-30 | 05:55:35
Filter 1: Video Renderer
Filename: C:\WINDOWS\system32\quartz.dll
Filter CRC: EFF011E9
Date: 2005-08-30 | 05:55:35
Filter 2: ffdshow Audio Decoder
Filename: C:\Programme\Combined Community Codec Pack\Filters\FFDShow\ffdshow.ax
Filter CRC: 180BD07F
Date: 2007-07-15 | 22:14:20
Filter 3: DirectVobSub (auto-loading version)
Filename: C:\Programme\Combined Community Codec Pack\Filters\VSFilter.dll
Filter CRC: 3AF3972A
Date: 2007-05-31 | 19:42:20
Filter 4: ffdshow Video Decoder
Filename: C:\Programme\Combined Community Codec Pack\Filters\FFDShow\ffdshow.ax
Filter CRC: 180BD07F
Date: 2007-07-15 | 22:14:20
Filter 5: J:\Video\Harry Potter und der Feuerkelch.mp4
Filename: C:\Programme\Combined Community Codec Pack\Filters\Haali\splitter.ax
Filter CRC: F0B7BA09
Date: 2007-06-03 | 00:07:12
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I renamed file to AVI. It starts playback, but in sort of "slow motion" mode with funny sound (also low and slow.....)
I renamed to MKV. Nothing really happens, no play back no errors
bbrip
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Noticed something else: The Haali Icon in the system try, which normally disappears once I close playback and the media player, still sits in the system tray and does NOT disappear once I close MC12.
Could this have anything to do with the problem?
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The test results seem fine to me. The used codecs are correct and the media information looks normal. I'd guess that if a player program uses the same filter chain the file should play without problems. The question is why that does not work with MC12.
Since some other players like Zoomplayer may have built-in preferences for the filter selection it would be good to try a very simple player - for example, the old Windows Media Player 6.4. It is about the most basic DirectShow player. On XP you can open it from Start menu > Run > Open: mplayer2 (write this name in the dialog box).
Maybe it would be good to try MC11.1 also. If you don't have it installed you can install it besides MC12 without problems. The programs use separate file locations and registry settings. ftp://ftp.jriver.com/pub/downloads/music/old/MC111201.exe
If WMP 6.4 and MC11.1 work normally then we can be fairly sure that the problem is related to MC12 and your specific setup.
The Haali icon thing may just be a "ghost", something to do with the screen refreshing. On my PC these ghosts go away when I hover over them. Since the icon appeared it seems like MC tried to use the Haali splitter, but after that it couldn't go further and MC tried to play the file through QuickTime (which is the intended fallback system)
On my PC the renamed fake .avi and .mkv files play without problems, exactly like the .mp4 file. MC sends them to DirectShow and the DS filters take care about selecting the correct decoders.
Have you tried any real .avi or .mkv files? If yes, do they play through DirectShow correctly? Also, do you have another PC that you could try with the same MP4 file(s)?
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Codec: avc1 (Family: )
Dimensions: 720x304, AR: 2.35
That's a codec I don't know. I used google to find something about "Quicktime trailers" and then a link to this:
http://mytechieself.blogspot.com/2005/12/howto-avi-file-and-avc1.html
Google might find other helpful information on it.
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Jim, thats the Nero AVC codec. It plays perfectly fine in Zoomplayer
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Jim, thats the Nero AVC codec. It plays perfectly fine in Zoomplayer.
Right. Zoomplayer may have a DirectShow filter it's using.
The fact that QT gets used suggests that MC can't find a DirectShow filter to use.
Please do some research. We've spent a lot of time on this and it now looks like it's just a question of finding a DirectShow filter that works.
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To be honest, I find it slightly odd that you guys let MC12 default to such a challenged player like QuickTime in the first place. Why not default to Directshow and only use Quicktime if user expressly wishes to use that funny player
bbrip
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Nero's AVC codec should be able to be decoded by FFDSHOW. However, perhaps it is using some weirdo codec settings that libavcodec is choking on...
Try these files, if you can...
MP4: http://users.adelphia.net/~edandjenn/mc/minitest-x264_aac-mp4.zip
MKV: http://users.adelphia.net/~edandjenn/mc/minitest-x264_aac_mkv.zip
Warning: The sound might not be work appropriate (it's South Park) so mute your speakers if you're at work or have small kids around.
And, for the record:
Media Information of: C:\video\projects\south_park_minitest.mp4
General:
Filename: south_park_minitest.mp4
Filesize: 944 KiB
Format: MPEG-4
PlayTime: 00:00:07.103
1 video stream(s), 1 audio stream(s), 0 subtitle stream(s).
Video Stream 0:
Length: 00:00:07.007
Frames: 168, 23.976 fps, 978 Kbps
Codec: avc1 (Family: )
Dimensions: 720x480, AR: 16/9
Audio Stream 0:
Codec: AAC LC, A_AAC/MPEG4/LC, AAC Low Complexity
Bitrate: 119 Kbps
Bitrate Mode: CBR
Sampling Rate: 48 KHz
Channel(s): 2 channel
Resolution: 16 bits per sample
Media Information of: C:\video\projects\south_park_minitest.mkv
General:
Filename: south_park_minitest.mkv
Filesize: 945 KiB
Format: Matroska
PlayTime: 00:00:07.104
Title: Done with AutoMKV 0.89 http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=854221
Application: mkvmerge v2.0.2 ('You're My Flame') built on Feb 21 2007 23:40:55
Application: libebml v0.7.7 + libmatroska v0.8.1
1 video stream(s), 1 audio stream(s), 0 subtitle stream(s).
Video Stream 0:
Titles: south_park_minitest
Length: 00:00:07.083
Frames: 170, 23.976 fps,
Codec: V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC (Family: )
Dimensions: 720x544, AR: 4/3
Audio Stream 0:
Codec: A_AAC, A_AAC,
Sampling Rate: 48 KHz
Channel(s): 2 channel
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To be honest, I find it slightly odd that you guys let MC12 default to such a player like QuickTime in the first place. Why not default to Directshow and only use Quicktime if user expressly wishes to use that funny player
Because they want it to work and compete with iTunes out of the box. Many more people have iTunes/Quicktime than have CCCP.
Quicktime actually isn't that terrible. The windows implementation just has some issues when being used as a playback engine.
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Glynor, ffdshow IS ABLE TO DECODE Nero AVC files. Because Zoomplayer uses the ffdshow filters (I see the icons in the tray) ALL THE TIME when I play them back with Zoomplayer!! (I tought we discussed this somewhere before on this thread, but we may got lost for all the different cheese flavours ;)
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Because they want it to work and compete with iTunes out of the box. Many more people have iTunes/Quicktime than have CCCP.
I appreciate that. But if they offer CCCP as a package with the MC12 installation, the user has all he needs nad has an alltogether better product than iTunes!!
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Glynor, ffdshow IS ABLE TO DECODE Nero AVC files. Because Zoomplayer uses the ffdshow filters (I see the icons in the tray) ALL THE TIME when I play them back with Zoomplayer!! (I tought we discussed this somewhere before on this thread, but we may got lost for all the different cheese flavours ;)
I do understand that. I'll say it again... Zoomplayer may use FFDSHOW as it's transform filter, but it has many other built-in filters that could be assisting in the decode. You can have much more than 1 filter in the chain. Comparing how FFDSHOW works in ZoomPlayer does not compare to how it works in Windows Media Player or MC.
BTW... One thing I don't remember from earlier... Does it work in Windows Media Player (the regular, Windows version)?
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Glynor, ffdshow IS ABLE TO DECODE Nero AVC files. Because Zoomplayer uses the ffdshow filters (I see the icons in the tray) ALL THE TIME when I play them back with Zoomplayer!! (I tought we discussed this somewhere before on this thread, but we may got lost for all the different cheese flavours ;)
As said, Zoomplayer may override some default filter selections. Could you please try glynor's sample files (I have not tried them yet) and also the alternative players as I instructed. Thanks.
(... and like Jim said, we are possibly very close to solving the problem. Finding out what caused it would probably be useful for others too.)
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I'm skeptical that my samples will be any different, but since I know how they were encoded, it's worth a shot.
Another thing that would be useful... If there is any way you can make a similar encode (some little tiny clip), and post it so we can download and test the clip, it might help!
(... and like Jim said, we are possibly very close to solving the problem. Finding out what caused it would probably be useful for others too.)
Absolutely, and thanks for all your help and work on this!
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As said, Zoomplayer may override some default filter selections. Could you please try glynor's sample files (I have not tried them yet) and also the alternative players as I instructed. Thanks.
I ve just tried the south_park_minitest.mp4 file from glynor. Upon dragging it from windows explorer into MC12 Playing Now, it gives the same dialog asking for the Quicktime player.....
BBrip
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Okay... Then it isn't the media. :-\
(But, does the MKV version happen to work?)
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The mkv link seems to be dead... (The mp4 file worked for me.)
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Please run regedit.exe and open this key:
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\JRiver\Media Center 12\Playback Engine\DirectX Playback
and then take a look at the values of "Extensions Played in DShow", and "Extensions Not Played in DShow".
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The mkv link seems to be dead... (The mp4 file worked for me.)
Oops.... My bad. It's working now.
Please run regedit.exe and open this key:
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\JRiver\Media Center 12\Playback Engine\DirectX Playback
and then take a look at the values of "Extensions Played in DShow", and "Extensions Not Played in DShow".
Good idea. I was going to ask for a screenshot, but perhaps somehow if the options getting set in the Options dialog aren't "sticking" somehow...
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I'm pretty sure that zoomplayer doesn't do anything exotic when playing avc inside mp4. You can double click ffdshow
video icon in the tray while playing video with zoompayer. In [info & cpu] part you can see what it is used to decode video.
(http://www.pix01.com/gallery/C4F92FC3-EC89-413B-B1E8-8F13F0732701/ffdshow/image0.jpg)
This image was taken when zoomplayer was playing the matroska avc file
It is possible to use ffdshow in chain with other filters (for example dvd-mpeg2) but I don't think that is the case here.
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I'm pretty sure that zoomplayer doesn't do anything exotic when playing avc inside mp4.
I don't know that it does, but it certainly could, which was my point. The issue could be audio decoding as well. We aren't sure why his system isn't working, but for now we think we've ruled out filters (since my test encodes didn't work).
All filters are used in a chain. FFDSHOW is a Transform filter, and it's input pins can connect to either a source filter (such as Haali) or to another Transform filter. ZoomPlayer does have some of it's own built-in Transform filters that it applies to certain media types and then feeds that output to FFDSHOW (I don't know that it does for most "normal" MPEG-4 AVC media, but I wasn't sure that's what we were dealing with). So does MPC. For example, MPC will handle FLV video differently than Windows Media Player does, even though both use FFDSHOW to decode it. That's because MPC runs the video through it's own internal FLV decoder first and then feeds that output to the input pin of FFDSHOW. FFDSHOW's dialog wouldn't show anything unusual if you looked at it while playing back in MPC though, because it only knows about it's own part of the chain (not what happened before or after it's done with the data).
I don't know ZoomPlayer well enough to say "with this particular piece of media, you are comparing apples-to-apples when comparing it to MC's playback". Now, it could certainly be that MC is broken in some way... But, it works for me and Alex and most other people just fine, so something is definitely odd here!
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Please run regedit.exe and open this key:
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\JRiver\Media Center 12\Playback Engine\DirectX Playback
and then take a look at the values of "Extensions Played in DShow", and "Extensions Not Played in DShow".
"Extensions Played in DSHOW" does contain mp4 - so seems fine from that perspective.
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I'm pretty sure that zoomplayer doesn't do anything exotic when playing avc inside mp4. You can double click ffdshow
video icon in the tray while playing video with zoompayer. In [info & cpu] part you can see what it is used to decode video.
(http://www.pix01.com/gallery/C4F92FC3-EC89-413B-B1E8-8F13F0732701/ffdshow/image0.jpg)
This image was taken when zoomplayer was playing the matroska avc file
It is possible to use ffdshow in chain with other filters (for example dvd-mpeg2) but I don't think that is the case here.
Yes, I do see the same thing in my Zoomplayer / ffdshow dialog
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Wow... I'm really baffled. Any way you could run this script and post the resulting TXT File? (It simply saves the contents of one of your registry keys to a TXT file.)
http://users.adelphia.net/~edandjenn/mc/JRMC_DSOptions_Save.zip
If this fails, I might have you export the whole MC12 HKCU Registry Key and I'll test it out on my computer to see if it makes it break on my system.
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Norton tells me its a very nasty script and I should not run it. :o
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Norton tells me its a very nasty script and I should not run it. :o
I'd trust glynor before I'd trust Norton.
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Norton tells me its a very nasty script and I should not run it. :o
Huh?? That's bizarre! My Symantec AV certainly doesn't.
All it does is save the this registry key to a text file: HKCU\Software\JRiver\Media Center 12\Playback Engine\DirectX Playback
If you want, you could just save it manually using REGEDIT. Do you know how? Or just tell Norton to trust it (you can look at the code of the script in Notepad to verify that it doesn't do anything bad -- it's not that complicated).
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Ok, I've run it and here it is:
Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\JRiver\Media Center 12\Playback Engine\DirectX Playback]
"Extensions Played in DShow"="3g2;3gp;aac;ac3;aif;aifc;aiff;asf;asx;avi;divx;dts;dvr-ms;flv;jts;m1v;m2t;m2v;m4a;mid;midi;mkv;mp2;mp4;mpa;mpe;mpeg;mpg;nsv;ogm;ra;ram;rm;rmi;rmvb;snd;tivo;tp;wav;wax;wm;wma;wmv;wv;wvx"
"Extensions Not Played in DShow"=""
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\JRiver\Media Center 12\Playback Engine\DirectX Playback\Filters]
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\JRiver\Media Center 12\Playback Engine\DirectX Playback\Filters\Audio Renderers]
"Zone 1"="@device:cm:{E0F158E1-CB04-11D0-BD4E-00A0C911CE86}\\Default DirectSound Device"
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\JRiver\Media Center 12\Playback Engine\DirectX Playback\Filters\mp4]
"SourceFilter"="@device:sw:{083863F1-70DE-11D0-BD40-00A0C911CE86}\\{55DA30FC-F16B-49FC-BAA5-AE59FC65F82D}"
"ffdshow Audio Decoder"="@device:sw:{083863F1-70DE-11D0-BD40-00A0C911CE86}\\{0F40E1E5-4F79-4988-B1A9-CC98794E6B55}"
"ffdshow Video Decoder"="@device:sw:{083863F1-70DE-11D0-BD40-00A0C911CE86}\\{04FE9017-F873-410E-871E-AB91661A4EF7}"
"TransformFilters"="ffdshow Audio Decoder;ffdshow Video Decoder"
"VideoRendererFilter"=dword:00000000
My PC survived the attack ;D
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I got more:
Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\JRiver\Media Center 12\Playback Engine\DirectX Playback]
"VMRProcAmpProperties"=hex:00,00,00,00,02,00,00,00,64,00,00,00,02,00,00,00,00,\
00,00,00,02,00,00,00,64,00,00,00,02,00,00,00
"Extensions Played in DShow"="3g2;3gp;aac;ac3;aif;aifc;aiff;asf;asx;au;avi;divx;dts;dtswav;dvr-ms;flv;jts;m1v;m2t;m2v;m4a;mid;midi;mkv;mp2;mp4;mpa;mpe;mpeg;mpg;nsv;ogm;ra;ram;raw;rm;rmi;rmvb;snd;tivo;tp;wmv"
"Extensions Not Played in DShow"="wav;wax;wm;wma;wv;wvx"
"Aspect Ratio"=dword:00000000
"Crop Edges"=dword:00000000
"Video Brightness"=dword:00000000
"Video Contrast"=dword:00000000
"Video Hue"=dword:000000b4
"Video Saturation"=dword:00000000
"Avoid WMV Acceleration"=dword:00000000
"Use VMR9"=dword:00000000
"Use WMV Acceleration"=dword:00000000
"Screen Grab Directory"="C:\\TEMP"
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\JRiver\Media Center 12\Playback Engine\DirectX Playback\Filters]
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\JRiver\Media Center 12\Playback Engine\DirectX Playback\Filters\ac3]
"TransformFilters"=""
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\JRiver\Media Center 12\Playback Engine\DirectX Playback\Filters\Audio Renderers]
"All Zones"="@device:cm:{E0F158E1-CB04-11D0-BD4E-00A0C911CE86}\\Default DirectSound Device"
"Zone 2"="@device:cm:{E0F158E1-CB04-11D0-BD4E-00A0C911CE86}\\Default DirectSound Device"
"Zone 1"="@device:cm:{E0F158E1-CB04-11D0-BD4E-00A0C911CE86}\\DirectSound: DMX 6fire Wave"
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\JRiver\Media Center 12\Playback Engine\DirectX Playback\Filters\avi]
"TransformFilters"=""
"VideoRendererFilter"=dword:00000000
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\JRiver\Media Center 12\Playback Engine\DirectX Playback\Filters\dts]
"SourceFilter"="@device:sw:{083863F1-70DE-11D0-BD40-00A0C911CE86}\\{B4A7BE85-551D-4594-BDC7-832B09185041}"
"TransformFilters"=""
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\JRiver\Media Center 12\Playback Engine\DirectX Playback\Filters\dtswav]
"SourceFilter"="@device:sw:{083863F1-70DE-11D0-BD40-00A0C911CE86}\\{F26D9101-C7BE-4BCF-BE28-1617EBEFC810}"
"TransformFilters"=""
"VideoRendererFilter"=dword:00000000
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\JRiver\Media Center 12\Playback Engine\DirectX Playback\Filters\m4a]
"TransformFilters"=""
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\JRiver\Media Center 12\Playback Engine\DirectX Playback\Filters\mp4]
"TransformFilters"=""
"VideoRendererFilter"=dword:00000000
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\JRiver\Media Center 12\Playback Engine\DirectX Playback\Filters\mpeg]
"TransformFilters"=""
"VideoRendererFilter"=dword:00000000
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\JRiver\Media Center 12\Playback Engine\DirectX Playback\Filters\mpg]
"TransformFilters"=""
"VideoRendererFilter"=dword:00000000
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\JRiver\Media Center 12\Playback Engine\DirectX Playback\Filters\wav]
"SourceFilter"="@device:sw:{083863F1-70DE-11D0-BD40-00A0C911CE86}\\{E436EBB5-524F-11CE-9F53-0020AF0BA770}"
"Wave Parser"="@device:sw:{083863F1-70DE-11D0-BD40-00A0C911CE86}\\{D51BD5A1-7548-11CF-A520-0080C77EF58A}"
"TransformFilters"="Wave Parser"
I don't know what does the difference mean, if anything. Yaobing?
bbrip,
Did you try the WMP 6.4 program? (You don't need to install it. It comes with XP)
How about WMP 11 (or 10 if you have not updated) and MC 11.1?
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Actually, I am just assuming that you have XP and the latest MC build. I can't find your system info in any of your posts.
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So does MPC. For example, MPC will handle FLV video differently than Windows Media Player does, even though both use FFDSHOW to decode it. That's because MPC runs the video through it's own internal FLV decoder first and then feeds that output to the input pin of FFDSHOW. FFDSHOW's dialog wouldn't show anything unusual if you looked at it while playing back in MPC though, because it only knows about it's own part of the chain (not what happened before or after it's done with the data).
I don't know ZoomPlayer well enough to say "with this particular piece of media, you are comparing apples-to-apples when comparing it to MC's playback". Now, it could certainly be that MC is broken in some way... But, it works for me and Alex and most other people just fine, so something is definitely odd here!
MPC has internal splitters for matroska/flv and others that is why it behaves little bit different. However MPC's internal splitters can be deactived so mpc the will use systems default splitters. My version of zoomplayer uses external splitter (haali for me) for mp4.
And yes I don't claim that MC's playback is broken. MP4's works fine for me too. I'm just trying to help bbrip with this just as you are. :)
I agree that trying with WMP 6.4 would be a good idea because it doesn't support "anything" internally. I have feeling though that it works like charm.
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bbrip,
Did you try the WMP 6.4 program? (You don't need to install it. It comes with XP)
How about WMP 11 (or 10 if you have not updated) and MC 11.1?
Actually, I am just assuming that you have XP and the latest MC build. I can't find your system info in any of your posts.
Have not played round with MC11.1 or WMP 10 / 11. Will do later but quite busy now (and travelling for a week as of tomorrow)
Yes, I do have XP and use the latest version of MC12 (308)
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I think it's this:
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\JRiver\Media Center 12\Playback Engine\DirectX Playback\Filters\mp4]
"SourceFilter"="@device:sw:{083863F1-70DE-11D0-BD40-00A0C911CE86}\\{55DA30FC-F16B-49FC-BAA5-AE59FC65F82D}"
"ffdshow Audio Decoder"="@device:sw:{083863F1-70DE-11D0-BD40-00A0C911CE86}\\{0F40E1E5-4F79-4988-B1A9-CC98794E6B55}"
"ffdshow Video Decoder"="@device:sw:{083863F1-70DE-11D0-BD40-00A0C911CE86}\\{04FE9017-F873-410E-871E-AB91661A4EF7}"
"TransformFilters"="ffdshow Audio Decoder;ffdshow Video Decoder"
"VideoRendererFilter"=dword:00000000
It looks like the source filter is set to the file source, which won't work (it needs to be Haali or something else that knows how to split MP4 files). However, you're missing some other stuff there so something weird is going on (like the missing stuff in the DirectX Playback key and the FLV key stuff).
Download this registry file (http://www.geocities.com/ri0n/mc/JRMC_DSOptions_bbrip.zip), extract it, and double click it (with MC closed). Then re-open MC and try playback.
The contents of the file are (culled from mine to match your option of having everything enabled for DirectShow):
Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\JRiver\Media Center 12\Playback Engine\DirectX Playback]
"Video Brightness"=dword:000005dc
"Video Contrast"=dword:00002710
"Video Hue"=dword:000000b4
"Video Saturation"=dword:00002710
"Extensions Played in DShow"="3g2;3gp;aac;ac3;aif;aifc;aiff;asf;asx;au;avi;divx;dts;dvr-ms;flv;jts;m1v;m2t;m2v;m4a;mid;midi;mkv;mp2;mp4;mpa;mpe;mpeg;mpg;nsv;ogm;ra;ram;raw;rm;rmi;rmvb;snd;tivo;tp;wav;wax;wm;wma;wmv;wv;wvx"
"Extensions Not Played in DShow"=""
"Aspect Ratio"=dword:00000000
"Use VMR9"=dword:00000001
"VMRProcAmpProperties"=hex:26,00,00,00,02,00,00,00,64,00,00,00,02,00,00,00,00,\
00,00,00,02,00,00,00,64,00,00,00,02,00,00,00
"Use WMV Acceleration"=dword:00000001
"OMProcAmpProperties"=hex:dc,05,00,00,01,00,00,00,10,27,00,00,02,00,00,00,00,\
00,00,00,04,00,00,00,10,27,00,00,08,00,00,00
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\JRiver\Media Center 12\Playback Engine\DirectX Playback\Filters]
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\JRiver\Media Center 12\Playback Engine\DirectX Playback\Filters\avi]
"TransformFilters"=""
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\JRiver\Media Center 12\Playback Engine\DirectX Playback\Filters\flv]
"SourceFilter"="@device:sw:{083863F1-70DE-11D0-BD40-00A0C911CE86}\\{C9ECE7B3-1D8E-41F5-9F24-B255DF16C087}"
"ffdshow raw video filter"="@device:sw:{083863F1-70DE-11D0-BD40-00A0C911CE86}\\{0B390488-D80F-4A68-8408-48DC199F0E97}"
"TransformFilters"="ffdshow raw video filter"
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\JRiver\Media Center 12\Playback Engine\DirectX Playback\Filters\mkv]
"TransformFilters"=""
"VideoRendererFilter"=dword:00000000
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\JRiver\Media Center 12\Playback Engine\DirectX Playback\Filters\mp4]
"TransformFilters"=""
This should basically be the defaults for Windows XP, except with all possible file types selected for DS playback.
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Children, don't try this at home.
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Children, don't try this at home.
Yeah.... This is for this issue only! And actually, it wouldn't work at all for pre-XP boxes because the VMR9 renderer isn't available.
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I see this kind of behavior also if I remove mp4 extension from DSTypes in the FileAssociations.xml
<DSTypes>m4a;aac;mp4;wv;ra;ram;rm;ac3;dts;3gp;3g2;rmvb</DSTypes>
E: oooops.. wrong file. Meant FileAssociations.xml.
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Yes, I reinstlaled version 308 and then reinstalled it, all doesnt make any difference. Also started with completely empty library. No difference. It simply keeps asking for that stupid Quicktime player
reinstlaled = uninstalled ? :)
I wonder if you actually let MC's uninstaller remove your old registry settings? It has a tick box for that. That should have cleaned the registry.
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This actually brings up a really good point. It would be nice to have a method inside MC somehow to reset the DirectShow Playback Options to their defaults, if they somehow get all messed up!
It'd also be good to be able to get a dump of that information (perhaps in a more easily readable format) via a System Info dump type command too. Perhaps right in the Options --> Playback --> DirectShow Playback settings dialog just add something like a "Reset all Filters to Default" button and a "Dump Current Playback Settings" button.
That could save a lot of time and help diagnosing these types of issues!
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Download this registry file (http://www.geocities.com/ri0n/mc/JRMC_DSOptions_bbrip.zip), extract it, and double click it (with MC closed). Then re-open MC and try playback.
The contents of the file are (culled from mine to match your option of having everything enabled for DirectShow):
I downloaded, extracted and double clicked. It told me that it has written the entries to the registry. But after re-opening MC12, its still the same - asking for Quicktime.....
BTW, I tried with Windows Media Player 11 - and it works just fine with it. It opens the ffdshow and Haali icons in the system tray and starts playing.... Havent tried with WMP 6.4 or whatever as I cnat trace this on my machine.
So, just about everything and anybody plays these files - except for MC12 :-[
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I wonder if you actually let MC's uninstaller remove your old registry settings? It has a tick box for that. That should have cleaned the registry.
Yes, I did. It asked for deleting registry files and I said, yes do so..... Then I reinstalled form scratch. Lost some settings - but so be it...
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BTQ, I tried with Windows Media Player 11 - and it works just fine with it. It opens the ffdshow and Haali icons in the system tray and starts playing.... Havent tried with WMP 6.4 or whatever as I cnat trace this on my machine.
So, jkust about everything and anybody plays these files - except for MC12 :-[
Yeah... Looking at that registry file you posted and comparing to mine, I can clearly see something's messed up with your MC12 install, so it is definitely MC and not the filters on the system.
I'm also surprised the Un/Reinstall didn't fix this, as Alex mentioned. And I'm REALLY shocked that importing the REG didn't work.
Just to make sure, MC was closed when you double clicked on the REG right?
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... Havent tried with WMP 6.4 or whatever as I cnat trace this on my machine. ...
... Since some other players like Zoomplayer may have built-in preferences for the filter selection it would be good to try a very simple player - for example, the old Windows Media Player 6.4. It is about the most basic DirectShow player. On XP you can open it from Start menu > Run > Open: mplayer2 (write this name in the dialog box).
Maybe it would be good to try MC11.1 also. If you don't have it installed you can install it besides MC12 without problems. The programs use separate file locations and registry settings. ftp://ftp.jriver.com/pub/downloads/music/old/MC111201.exe
If WMP 6.4 and MC11.1 work normally then we can be fairly sure that the problem is related to MC12 and your specific setup. ...
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Do you have any kind of registry-protecting security software on the system? Anything other than regular Norton Anti-Virus (like an Anti-Spyware or "System Doctor" type program)?
Oh yeah... and on a happier note... Where are you going? ;D
I'm pretty excited... We're leaving for the Outer Banks (North Carolina) in about a week. Woo-hoo!!!
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Just to make sure, MC was closed when you double clicked on the REG right?
Yes it was. And it did not report any erros that it could not write the entries to REG. Just said it has written them....
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I'm completely baffled.... :o :-\
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How does the registry look now?
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ok, now also tried with mplayer 6.4 (mplayer2 entered into the run box).
Played it fery smoothly and uses ffdshow and haali as one would expect.
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Could you take a look at your Data\FileAssociations.xml file? MC asks for QuickTime for me too if I remove mp4 extension
from the types that uses directshow. Long shot but worth a shot?
<DSTypes>m4a;aac;mp4;wv;ra;ram;rm;ac3;dts;3gp;3g2;rmvb</DSTypes>
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Could you take a look at your Data\FileAssociations.xml file? MC asks for QuickTime for me too if I remove mp4 extension
from the types that uses directshow. Long shot but worth a shot?
<DSTypes>m4a;aac;mp4;wv;ra;ram;rm;ac3;dts;3gp;3g2;rmvb</DSTypes>
I agree. A VERY long shot, but who knows.
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Ok. I go away.
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Here is this file associations thingy.....
- <!-- Media Center File Associations XML (Default / English)
-->
- <MJFA version="1.041">
- <!-- Descriptions
-->
- <DescriptionTypes>
<Audio>WAV Audio (wav,raw);AU Audio (au,snd);AIF Audio (aif,aifc,aiff);MPEG Audio (mp3,mpa,mpga);MIDI Audio (mid,midi,rim,rmid);Windows Media Audio (wma,wax);MusicEx Media (jmx);Audible Audio (aa);RealAudio (ram,ra);OGG Audio (ogg);MPC Audio (mpc,mp+);Monkey's Audio (ape,apl,mac);CD Audio (cda);Shorten Audio (shn);AAC Audio (m4a,m4p,m4b,aac);CUE Files (cue);WavPack (wv);AC3 Audio (ac3);DTS Audio (dts);</Audio>
<Image>JPEG Image (jpg,jpe,jpeg);GIF Image (gif);BMP Image (bmp);TIFF Image (tif,tiff);PNG Image (png);RAW Images (crw,cr2,nef,mrw,orf,raf,pef,dng,srf,arw,x3f);</Image>
<Video>MPEG Video (mp2,mpeg,mpg,m1v,mpv,mpe,m2v,m2t,tp);Windows Media Video (wmv,wvx,dvr-ms);QuickTime (mov,qt,mp4,m4v);AVI Video (avi);RealVideo (rv,rmvb);ShockWave (swf);DIVX Video (divx);DVD Video (ifo,vob);Media Containers (mkv,ogm);Tivo (tivo);Flash Video (flv);3GP (3gp,3g2);JRiver TV (jts)</Video>
<Data>MS Office Files (doc,xls,csv,ppt,mde,mdb);Adobe Acrobat Files (pdf);Text Files (txt,rtf,log);Source Files (cpp,h,c);Webpage Files (html,htm,mht,url);Executables (exe);</Data>
<Playlist>Media Playlist (mpl);Audio Playlist (m3u,pls,xpl,bpl);</Playlist>
<Unknown>Windows Media (asx,asf,wm);RealMedia (rm,rp,rmm,rmx,smi,smil,rmj);Podcast (feed,itpc,opml,pcast,podcast);</Unknown>
</DescriptionTypes>
- <!-- Defaults
-->
<DefaultFileTypes>jmx;mp3;wma;wmv;avi;m3u;wav;pls;mpl;mpc;ogg;ape;jpg;tif;mpg;feed;itpc;opml,pcast;podcast;ifo;vob</DefaultFileTypes>
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Just as a further try, I have ticked "Use Windows Media Player for Playback" in the MC12 options.
Even with this box ticked MC12 wont play back - despite WMP standalone playing it ? ?
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Ok. I go away.
Don't go away! I agreed! :D
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Well, this one is for Glynor.
(http://www.pix01.com/gallery/C4F92FC3-EC89-413B-B1E8-8F13F0732701/FFDShow/image0.jpg)
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Yeah... I've seen that. Its not in the current FFDSHOW included with the non-beta CCCP builds. Is that one of the Tryouts builds?
Most of the same features could be found in the old "debug" section (except for the "Only use FFDSHOW" section).
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Yep, June something.
If it is not in CCCP pack that's not the problem then either.
Installer asks about those settings so I figured that could be problem if the graphs are now ok.
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Yep, June something.
If it is not in CCCP pack that's not the problem then either.
It is... So I suppose it is worth checking (since I'm out of ideas). It's found here:
(http://www.geocities.com/ri0n/mc/dont_use_ffdshow.jpg)
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I seem to remember that in that tryout installer the default was something like use only in MPC and few others
so maybe it could be part of the problem if the another one was strange dshow graphs.
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Im travelling for about a week now. Maybe if I come back and behave well, someone has found the solution ;) ::)
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The latest CCCP release (Combined-Community-Codec-Pack-2007-07-22.exe) has this FFDShow configuration panel:
Well, this one is for Glynor.
(http://www.pix01.com/gallery/C4F92FC3-EC89-413B-B1E8-8F13F0732701/FFDShow/image0.jpg)
A quote from: http://www.cccp-project.net/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page
Switched to ffdshow-tryouts (finally). The version included is a custom build of revision 1355 plus some CCCP-specific patches.
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Im travelling for about a week now.
Have a nice trip!
Maybe if I come back and behave well, someone has found the solution ;) ::)
I hope someone suddenly realizes that we have missed something that should have been obvious.
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Just back home for tonight before headong off again. Problem is still there...
BTW, I run mp4 files on my MacBook Pro under Bootcamp while I was on the road using MC12 - and that was running without problems.
So something weird is up at my machine here at home. Any more clues ?
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The latest CCCP release (Combined-Community-Codec-Pack-2007-07-22.exe) has this FFDShow configuration panel:
Thanks. That reminded me that I had forgot to update most of my machines (only the HTPC at home had the newest build).
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Its just so weird: If i play one and the same mp4 file from a local drive, MC12 now does use ffdshow as codecs for playback and plays back just fine. If I try to play back that same file thru a network drive, I get the "Quicktime needed" error.
Any ideas given this latest finding ??
NB: I also get the strange color issue on my PC that Glynor reported about.
BBrip
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Few thoughts from my end-
Is your network drive mapped with a drive letter (IE. Drive D:\), or do you browse to it through a standard network shortcut. Either way, try the opposite ;)
Have you tried switching the video renderer in MC's options? I'd suggest trying it with the legacy renderer, which has fixed a couple of odd Real Media issues for me.
I'd also mux the file into a proper as opposed to renamed MKV & see what happens. (Pretty certain it'll play with no issues, but thats not really the point here!)
My final thought, would be to try the latest nightly of ffdshow-tryouts, again this may be a funny bug from their end (This isn't a route I'd really advise you to follow TBH- I have a very bad beta habit, and these can and will break things; If you're not sure, don't)
-Leezer-
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I've got the network drive mapped to a drive letter (X: in this case..)
I wont mess around with betas etc. I have players that play it without problems - well just about anyone except MC12....
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Sorry for not being able to provide a solution for such a long time.
Something finally rings a bell here. Is your mapped network drive pretty slow? It appears that Haali Media Splitter probably took too long to load the file because it was on a network drive, and MC timed out. What we do in MC is to test whether mp4 (and a few other types) is playable using DirectShow before actually playing it. If the test timed out, we assume it can not play in DirectShow and try Quicktime subsequently.