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More => Old Versions => Media Center 12 (Development Ended) => Topic started by: Matt on October 12, 2007, 11:04:20 pm
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We've been kicking around the idea of a feature that makes playlists built around a seed song or songs.
To use it, you'd pick a song or album you were in the mood for and instead of "Play", you'd pick "Playlist Monkey" (real name to be determined), and it'd show a dialog like this:
(http://www.pix01.com/gallery/4FE0FA10-2B1A-47D5-BAA3-C39AD83BFA1E/Playlist_Monkey/59247120_orig0.jpg)
This tool would then run a neural net to reticulate the splines and throw together a mix. Or something like that.
Any thoughts?
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This is a great idea! Datdude, get a load of this!
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I like it!
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Wow.... Fantastic if it works. Not so sure about the monkey name, despite how cool monkeys are inherently. Oooh-oooh-oooh-aaah-aaah-aaah-aaah!!
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I'd dig that.
It'd be cool if the user had some way to feedback on whether the monkey's suggestions were close or not. Just a thumbs up/down type control. I assume that by neural net doobie, you mean that the community's efforts would all effect and make the monkey more accurate over time?
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Darn but I was thinking about something like this yesterday and wondering if y'all could pull it off! :)
-=Tim=-
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Oh and access via Theater View too please.
Richard
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Cool idea, can you also make a plugin that does this with favorite food ? :-)
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This is an excellent idea. The Music Genome Project (http://www.pandora.com/corporate/mgp) implements this for online listening using quite advanced matching algorithms and a huge music and music classification database. Perhaps cooperation with this project could be beneficial.
Thanks/Mikael
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Music feature - I love it. Usually I listen to a smartlist that picks random songs but there's those times I just feel like listening to say, all hard rock. I then have to go through the library and pick album by album to add to the playlist. The only problem is that now I probably have to go make sure my genres are all specific rather than just Rock and start rating them.
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Auto mood music
;D
cool
go for it !
Thanks
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fantastic idea.
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Good idea 8)
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Good idea.
AutoDJ?
DJTron?
Listerine?
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Listerine?
;D
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nice idea....
pick 'n' mix?
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Not so sure about the monkey name
Hey..
Whats Wrong With Monkeys?
I Do think This Is A Good Idea...
Maybe You Can Also Add Duration To The Controls
To Allow Selecting
> 3 Mins
< 6 Mins
Per Track
Etc...
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MaestroMonkey
MonkeyMaestro
It's all the same to me. Sounds like a cool thing to have.
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Or:
Maestro
Neural Gnome
Neural Wizard
Auto Jukebox
AutoJuke
AutoBox
-=Tim=-
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I've been asking for this forever based on one of Amarok's feature. It would be really nice if in addition to choosing a playlist length the monkey had an alternate option of choosing a small number of songs (15? 20?) and to use the playing now song as a seed after say, 30 sec. or half of the song's playtime, and based on that tune add a song at the end of the playing now list. The goal would be to use the skipping of songs to refine that mood. Recording the track skipping could also help with this:
It'd be cool if the user had some way to feedback on whether the monkey's suggestions were close or not
It would be great too to give the user more control over the matching process: could you add an "advanced" button under the matching slider (from loose to tight) so that one could select "loose" to "tight" for each one of the parameters used (artist, genre, era, etc.)?
AutoDJ seems to me to be not the most fun but the clearest way of calling this new feature.
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to use the playing now song
now that would be nice. not only for playlist monkey, but also for smartlists.
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To date i've yet to hear of an autodj that can pull this off. Also you are basing it partly on AA data like Intensity & BPMs, BPM is relatively close but Intensity i've not found any way to make use of.
The fun value is there for sure. This isn't any different to cooking :D
Question: Will this new feature require an internet connection to be operational ?
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To date i've yet to hear of an autodj that can pull this off. Also you are basing it partly on AA data like Intensity & BPMs, BPM is relatively close but Intensity i've not found any way to make use of.
While I've never really played much with auto-DJs, but I've had results that I am very happy with using Smartlists in the past. Over the years, I've created several for different uses such as "Soft Dinner Music", "Cooking Music", "Workout Music" etc... The Smartlist looks at BPM, Intensity, genre, rating, etc.
I've had many, many dinner guest that would not believe that the computer was choosing the music they were hearing all evening and how every song would go so well with the overall mood. I've had to show them MC in the the computer room while it was playing so they would believe me...
So I'm thinking that if I've been having good success, I'm sure that Matt and the boys will be able to create something that will be awsome!
I'm really looking forward to seeing and hearing it...
...Michel.
PS: These Smartlists are great on the iPod also...
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PS: These Smartlists are great on the iPod also...
If only MC allowed to have true dynamic playlists on the iPod like iTunes does... But I'm off topic :/
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Introducting JRiver's new media center technology:
PlayLike™
blah, blah, blah
Great idea, look forward to playing around with it.
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How about "PlaysForSure"?
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Or maybe, "Strider HoneyMonkey"?
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If only MC allowed to have true dynamic playlists on the iPod like iTunes does... But I'm off topic :/
No pork barreling.
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I would not advise to use the word "Monkey" in this connection. Too close to the name of a competitor's product, in my opinion. I even thought that the subject of this thread was refering to some sort of compatibility with that "other" product :)
Being that said, I can't wait to see the feature implemented.
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Well i think monkey allows a certain amount of 'lattitude' about what gets generated.
Used enough times, chances are good that one might think you had a real DJ in there somewhere.
They already got experience with this bot called sparta (with matching avatar) generating a lot of semi-sensible stuff.
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I Think There MayBe A Theme Here:
"Lets Go To The Club"
"Hey Man, I'm Stoned"
"Rock And Roll" - AKA The Wheel
"APE" Audio Format, And Now "Playlist Monkey"
Whats Next For The Primitive Man, A TV Show?
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I Think There MayBe A Theme Here:
"Lets Go To The Club"
"Hey Man, I'm Stoned"
"Rock And Roll" - AKA The Wheel
"APE" Audio Format, And Now "Playlist Monkey"
Whats Next For The Primitive Man, A TV Show?
Nice lol. 'Media Center, so easy even a caveman can use it!'
Back on topic, I like this Playlist Monkey idea a lot, if it's as simple as the smartlist to get started.
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Thumbs up from me as well! I like "Auto Jukebox"
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Having ONLY just downloaded a bit of software to do this, I am now relieved that I can go back to the single media app, MC...
I always thought that any type of auto play was like cruise control on a car.
So hit the Cruise Monkey switch !
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So hit the Cruise Monkey switch !
Be careful what you wish for...
(http://www.freakingnews.com/pictures/12500/Cruise-monkey--12800.jpg)
:o :o :o
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I think we should call it "Charmed Quark".
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Careful there, Bat. You never know what it could end up being named.
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Oh, I suppose "Listerine" is the front-funner.
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Oh, I suppose "Listerine" is the front-funner.
You have spies.
How about "jgreen machine"? Or Batso?
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This is a great idea! Datdude, get a load of this!
;D :o 8) :-*
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You could call it Listerizer, or what about Tablister?
I'm sure you have read a bit thourgh this thread, or not, but my thoughts and a few others on it might give some good ideas: http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=41438.0
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Tonight I was playing some music and kept skipping Joe Cocker songs that were in the mix because they weren't matching the mood. Playlist Monkey needs to take this into account and keep adjusting the playlist to reduce the frequency of music similar to what I'm skipping.
To do this, I wonder if it'd be best as a mode where Playing Now would not show the next song until moving to the next track. At track switch time, the monkey would run and grab the next song, taking the seed songs and any skips into account.
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Not showing the next song means you have no idea what has been chosen till it gets to play.
I was under the impression that you would be able to see the whole playlist generated.
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Matt,
Will the Monkey take in account skips that are done on an iPod? I think this would be important.
...Michel
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Speaking of skipping, if you're going to take skipping into account for this new feature, that "skip bug" needs to be working correctly. That is, the Skip Count doesn't get updated unless you truly skip it with the FF button. I still get Skip Count updated if I stop the song before the 50% point.
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Speaking of skipping, if you're going to take skipping into account for this new feature, that "skip bug" needs to be working correctly. That is, the Skip Count doesn't get updated unless you truly skip it with the FF button. I still get Skip Count updated if I stop the song before the 50% point.
That's not a bug. You can start a new thread, but this was discussed quite a bit before.
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To do this, I wonder if it'd be best as a mode where Playing Now would not show the next song until moving to the next track. At track switch time, the monkey would run and grab the next song, taking the seed songs and any skips into account.
I think it should do exactly this, but work 3-5 songs (perhaps a configurable number even) ahead. That way, you can see in Playing Now the "queued to play songs", but it'd still work this way. And the chances that it'll pick 2-3 bad songs and play them in a row is unlikely.
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I think it should do exactly this, but work 3-5 songs (perhaps a configurable number even) ahead. That way, you can see in Playing Now the "queued to play songs", but it'd still work this way. And the chances that it'll pick 2-3 bad songs and play them in a row is unlikely.
Agreed.
Also the skipping memory logic, would that be built in permanently overtime, or would it just be for that session? I would think it would be best for just that PN session. Though a configurable memory on/off or reset switch might be nice.
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For the session is what i thought it would be as well. So the next time you want another tracklist it takes note of previous skips.
...i bet there's bound to be complaints saying how *slow* or clunky it all is.
Why can't it be like Pandora !!
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For the session is what i thought it would be as well. So the next time you want another tracklist it takes note of previous skips.
What you are saying though is that it should be across multiple playing now sessions? If it is configurable to do either or, that would be good.
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Yes, skip counts are kept all the time anyway.
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Yeah, that could be a problem then. I don't like using their skipping metadata as it is, not becuase it is bad, simply because I switch songs often, but that doesn't mean I don't like them I just happened to on a whim skip it. So the only conditional rule I use is last played. But if Playlist Monkey based song selection on only skipping songs for that session, it would perfect for me.
From that perspective, I would like to not see the next songs showing up in Playing now until you skip or the current song ends. IF you could easily configure how many songs show up that would be good. The problem is if Playlist Monkey then shows 5 songs to play, and you skip a song, would it replace the next 5 songs all together?
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Yeah, that could be a problem then. I don't like using their skipping metadata as it is, not becuase it is bad, simply because I switch songs often, but that doesn't mean I don't like them I just happened to on a whim skip it. So the only conditional rule I use is last played. But if Playlist Monkey based song selection on only skipping songs for that session, it would perfect for me.
Same here. Sometimes you feel like a nut, and sometimes you don't. Once you stop playback of the fancy list (by stopping or by playing something else manually or closing MC or whatever) I think it should "clear it's cache" completely.
Unless the logic is truly amazing, it's going to end up picking a song that -- while it might be a song you like a LOT -- doesn't really apply to this "mood" and so you'll skip it. That doesn't mean that song doesn't apply to any mood, just not this one.
I have frequent and sudden mood changes. ;)
From that perspective, I would like to not see the next songs showing up in Playing now until you skip or the current song ends. IF you could easily configure how many songs show up that would be good. The problem is if Playlist Monkey then shows 5 songs to play, and you skip a song, would it replace the next 5 songs all together?
I was thinking, when I initially proposed the 3-5 song "buffer" that once the songs appeared in the Playing Now list, they'd be "locked in" (meaning, they'd definitely play and play in that order unless you manually deleted or re-ordered them). The logic would apply to "future" selected songs (so the 4th song on which haven't yet made it into the Playing Now list). In other words, the "Monkey" in the background would be busily selecting songs based on mood, but would be constantly deciding on the 4th song down (or 6th or whatever) song to play, not the very next one.
That way, you'd be able to manage it manually a little (or at least see what's coming next), and it wouldn't constantly change based on skips or anything, but it'd still be pretty responsive.
For me, I think a 3 song "buffer" would be perfect. It'd probably be good to have this configurable though.
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Another name possibility:
Jukebox Genie
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How about: Surfing Jukebox
;) ;D
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The other possiblity is to not show any songs up coming in PN, but if you want to see what songs could possibly be next you would click on the dedicated PM playlist in the tree or possibly another splitter that could open upwards below the normal PN list, that might be the best way to go.
This additonal splitter would only reveal itself when Playlist Monkey is enabled, and you could minimize or maximize it just like in normal split view rows. Since in theory the list would contstantly be changing, it might be worth it to have that easy access.
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Is JRiver Really Entertaining Ideas For A Name?
I See Nothing Wrong With Playlist Monkey, Maybe Some Sound Effects Of A Chimp When You Click On The Option.
Here Are Some Chimp Sounds From My Family Album:
http://www.wjh.harvard.edu/~mnkylab/media/chimpcalls.html (http://www.wjh.harvard.edu/~mnkylab/media/chimpcalls.html)
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I'd say we're waay past the name..who cares what they call it...lets get into the nitty gritty :)
The other possiblity is to not show any songs up coming in PN, but if you want to see what songs could possibly be next you would click on the dedicated PM playlist in the tree or possibly another splitter that could open upwards below the normal PN list, that might be the best way to go.
no splitter, just clicking on a playlist item in the tree sounds right. Tracks keep getting updated only there. Feels consistant with the overall look & feel we are used to.
i still think tracks mysteriously appearing in PN is a bit scary, who put them there, i didn't ?
Still not as easy as pandora though ?
So then we get into this special browsing mode Matt mentioned some time back.
A desginated kind-of-but-not-quite like PN just for the playlist generator.
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A first draft of this feature is in the build tonight.
We called it "Radio". You can tell we're reserved Scandinavians.
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A first draft of this feature is in the build tonight.
We called it "Radio". You can tell we're reserved Scandinavians.
Hey, why you didn't say you wanted to call it "Buddy" at first?
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To use what's in build 351, do this:
1) Play a song you want to use as the seed for your personalized radio station.
2) While the song is playing, pick Menu > Player > Radio
3) Sit back and enjoy (it should play forever)
As you play, the radio station learns based on whether you listen to an entire song or skip it. You'll get more songs like you listen to and less like you skip with time.
Currently it considers artist, album, genre, and rating. It does a surprising amount of math. Era, last played time, ratio of skips to plays, audio analysis, etc. will be added to the weighting later.
I wonder if it would be more clear to allow "Play (as radio station)" from the play menu when picking any selection of files. It's hard to use multiple files as seeds with the current setup.
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I wonder if it would be more clear to allow "Play (as radio station)" from the play menu when picking any selection of files. It's hard to use multiple files as seeds with the current setup.
That was exactly my first inclination. I went right to Steely Dan's Katy Lied and right clicked for the play menu.
You could grey out the option for multi-select? Or provide a msg to the affect that only one song will "count" for the seed. I dunno, I like the idea of it being on the play menu.
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Definitely on the right-click --> Play (as Radio Station). I'd say gray out when not available. Clear and concise and intuitive.
Still evaluating how well it works. Based on this:
Seed was Radiohead
Next plays were:
Whitney Houston
Alicia Keys
Alan Parsons Project
INXS
Yes
Supertramp
Whitney? I have some doubts, but I'm sure the algorithm can be adjusted if needed. Giving it a test with Videotape right now, so we'll see. Blank playing now is fine I suppose (but I still think it'd be nice to see the "future").
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Videotape just ended, and it chose another Radiohead song, so I guess it can't go wrong there. We'll see.
I'm also now wondering... How does it decide about Genre? I mean... Do you have a list of "related genres" that you're using at all, or does it only consider same genre vs. different genre. For example... Does it consider the fact that "Classical" is probably pretty different from "Punk" or "Hip-Hop" or "Reggae"?
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Just tried it, great job!!! This is the one feature I have ALWAYS wanted in MC. I know consider MC to be complete in my eyes (though I'm sure I won't stop making suggestions for new features)!
If I play a song by double clicking it from the library, and then decide I want the Radio option, starts the song over. Hopefully it will simply enable that mode passively.
After the Radio is on, it is difficult/confusing to turn it off, remove songs, and start over. If I press stop, I can't remove the song. Only after I click play from the toolbar menu, can I remove the songs. Also the check box doesn't disappear after trying to uncheck it. The music stops if I do this, but only after clicking the Play menu option or playing a new song from the library, does it disable the Radio.
It might be nice to visually show the Radio option as ON in top Display that flashes something like 'RADIO' subtly next to the track data, maybe in a slightly different color shade.
If I decide I want to start a new seed song while in Radio mode, what is the best way to go about this? Can the Radio be kept no matter what I do until I click it off in the menu?
It seems to have a tendency to play the exact same song again, but only in smaller genre's I think (not sure if that is the reason)
Obviously I hope how it makes it's selections is somewhat user configurable with a settings screen like you showed in the first post. But I could imagine giving control such as a year range that the user could select 5, 10, or whatever. Same thing with BPM and Intensity. Also controlling how sensitive the Radio is to last played, skipped song data, and ratings are important.
Simplicity is nice with basic sliders, but allowing those fields to be specifically controlled would be great. For those of us who have Styles or sub-genres nicely tagged, I hope that is somehow weighted in (mine are the semi-colon type).
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I don't care to see the next songs that have been selected to play. I kind of like the "surprise" factor as is is now. You rarely know what's coming on broadcast radio.
What will happen when some of the selection criteria is not present? Like BPM, etc. I don't have analyzed files.
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Well, I'm trying this.
The last audio prior to trying this was "In Rainbows", played from track 1 to finish without any pauses or dupes. So I tried this by deleting off everything in PN except for "Reckoner", which was my favorite track.
Okay:
1. Reckoner (I picked this).
2. Faust (Hey--that's the track most like reckoner).
3. 15 steps (Okay, after the goofy intro it's a lot like the others).
4. Faust (Umm . . .).
5. Bodysnatchers (It's alright to try some of my 15,000 other tracks, Mr. Radio).
6. Weird fishes
7. Weird fishes (Yes, a double-tap).
8. Reckoner
9. Videotape
10. Faust (Currently playing).
I'll let you know if Radio ever decides to venture outside of "In Rainbows".
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Okay, I got it to play a different song, but I really had to help it along in this. I cleared PN and then went to top hits and selected "Circle in the sand", by Belinda Carlisle.
1. Circle in the Sand (radio airplay edit).
2. Circle in the Sand (full version, but a dupe for "Name"). Is there any way we could get Mr. Radio to just not play dupes?
3. Ta-Da: "Down By The River", by the man himself. judge for yourself if you can picture Neil Young and Belinda Carlisle singing a duet.
4. It wanted to play "Carribean Blue" by Enya next (NOT in my Top Hits). However, this track in my library is on a drive not currently connected. Did nobody think of this? About 2/3 of my library is not connected at any given time, so I gues I'd better get used to Belinda Carlisle and a lot of Radiohead.
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Definitely on the right-click --> Play (as Radio Station). I'd say gray out when not available. Clear and concise and intuitive.
I'd also say keep some way to activate Radio mode as you have it now (under the Player menu). If the feature works well, I'd say it'd be nice to even have a "Radio Mode" button (maybe shaped like an old-school broadcasting style antenna even) on the top toolbar next to Continuous, Shuffle, and DSP Mode. I'd go with both the Right-Click and the Shuffle-like mode (just like Play Shuffled).
But you definitely need to lose the restarting playback when enabling Radio-mode "feature".
And I'd agree... It does seem to have a particular penchant for repeating the same artist. So far for me anyhow. I'll give it more time though.
EDIT:
It also seems to value single-genre playback over all else.... Is this the goal? I don't mind it doing the double-artist repeat (much like a cheesily-named "rock block" on the radio) but 4 in a row is a bit much. And I don't want it to be just all one genre, or else I'd just play it on random inside that Genre. Maybe a focus on the initial Genre, but... Variety is the spice of life (and of the radio).
Here's my two recent tries (I started with Fearless both times for consistency).
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Well, I started scrolling to just before the end of each song, in order to get more songs in with less time spent. in 10 minutes I got Radio to suggest 36 tracks, and 31 of them were by REM (I have a lot of REM albums). Nonetheless, I think it would be well advised to add a rule to the algorithm: no 2 contiguous tracks by the same artist. In my case, that would still have left about 18 REM tracks out of the 36. But it would seem far less as if Radio was just throwing albums on--I can do that.
Also: Radio seems to like "E-bow the Letter" best of all REM tracks. My favorite too--good call, Radio--but when we get 5 or 6 of the same track out of 36, that gets a bit much.
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Speaking of skipping, if you're going to take skipping into account for this new feature, that "skip bug" needs to be working correctly. That is, the Skip Count doesn't get updated unless you truly skip it with the FF button. I still get Skip Count updated if I stop the song before the 50% point.
That's not a bug. You can start a new thread, but this was discussed quite a bit before.
Here's the thread... http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=38146.0
I think it's argument is even more valid with the introduction of the new radio mode, first impressions of which are not bad, it's picking some good music for this morning.
-marko.
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And like a real radio station, there should be some warning when radio is playing, like a "on air" light of a real radio station
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Today MC finished analyzing 10,000+ songs that i never analyzed before
it was interesting to note that when it was done it told me there was 9 files queued.
not sure why that was so i hit the analyze button and it finished the other 9 files.
thats the first time MC ever left 9 files un-analyzed
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MC just crashed on the 11th Radio song. I haven't had MC crash in a year at least. I'll start it up again and see how far it goes this time.
Media Center Registered 12.0.351 -- C:\Program Files\J River\Media Center 12\
Microsoft Windows XP Workstation 5.1 Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
AMD Unknown 2196 MHz MMX / Memory: Total - 523 MB, Free - 183 MB
Internet Explorer: 7.0.5730.11 / ComCtl32.dll: 5.82.2900 / Shlwapi.dll: 6.0.2900 / Shell32.dll: 6.0.2900 / wnaspi32.dll: N/A
Ripping / Drive Z: LITE-ON LTR-32123S Mode:Normal Type:Auto Speed:Max
Digital playback: Yes / Use YADB: Yes / Get cover art: Yes / Calc replay gain: Yes / Copy volume: 32767
Eject after ripping: Yes / Play sound after ripping: No
Burning / Drive Z: LITE-ON LTR-32123S Addr: 1:0:0 Speed:32 MaxSpeed:32 BurnProof:Yes
Test mode: No / Eject after writing: Yes / Direct decoding: Yes / Write CD-Text: Yes
Use playback settings: No /
Portable Device Info
Removed devices:
Interface Plugins:
last.fm (Active)
Library Server (Active)
TiVo Server (Active)
UPnP Server (Active)
What I'm Listening To (Active)
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352 seems to have taken care of the crash.
Q: It takes about 5-10 seconds to change tracks with my 40+k track library, is this how it should be?
Q: Is it suposed to take 20-30 seconds to skip a track?
Listening to: 'Starship' from 'Blows Against The Empire' by 'Paul Kantner - Jefferson Starship' on Media Center 12
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352 seems to have taken care of the crash.
Q: It takes about 5-10 seconds to change tracks with my 40+k track library, is this how it should be?
Q: Is it suposed to take 20-30 seconds to skip a track?
Listening to: 'Starship' from 'Blows Against The Empire' by 'Paul Kantner - Jefferson Starship' on Media Center 12
How many songs are you seeding the station with? How many have you played / skipped?
It's doing a lot of math, and hasn't been heavily optimized yet.
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I did as you recommended, Player>Radio. I didn't preselect (seed) any tracks. I'll try that next. I like it sofar.
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I have to say, I am REALLY happy and impressed with the Radio feature. I've been listening to it for about 15 songs now and every track that it has picked has been great!
Now, how to I get this to my iPod? ;D
...Michel.
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since you changed the name to just plain old "radio" (Not Too Exciting)
how about "Media Center Radio"
Or "MC Radio"
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since you changed the name to just plain old "radio" (Not Too Exciting)
how about "Media Center Radio"
Or "MC Radio"
Radio is a name that could be confusing to people... One could easily think that MC would be broadcasting the music over the Internet as a radio station.... Now maybe that would be a cool feature to some... ;D
...Michel.
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I really hope that Radio has a third way to be used in ome sort of active passive mode that is always on, kind of like Automatic shuffle, where only when the music in PN ends, does it kick in. That way I don't have to remember to explicitly turn it on and start over with seeds, all the time.
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Dude, I'm pretty impressed with the track-picking in non-seeded Radio (player/radio with no tracks in PN). In fact, if anything, I think seeded palyback is somewhat problematic--radio seems to hug certain albums or artists. If anything, gives an EASY hotkey for player/radio, so that we can keep the tunes comin!
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There is some debate in a few threads on what should or should not be included when playing radio. I would suggest 2 things.
1) I would not expose the rules engine - a radio should have some surprise element
2) I would allow driving it from a smartlist - that way people can establish the overall flavor of the radio station - maybe there could be multiple radio stations each driven by it's own smartlist (e.g. all Rock, Rock/Pop/Country/, Classical, Easy listening, ...)
I generally like everything the radio feature picks, but that is not a surprise - it's from my library. Without any control, it does add things that I would never expect to hear on a radio. Example: Track from Queen & another track from Judy Garland or Hendrix & Sinatra.
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2) I would allow driving it from a smartlist - that way people can establish the overall flavor of the radio station - maybe there could be multiple radio stations each driven by it's own smartlist (e.g. all Rock, Rock/Pop/Country/, Classical, Easy listening, ...)
I generally like everything the radio feature picks, but that is not a surprise - it's from my library. Without any control, it does add things that I would never expect to hear on a radio. Example: Track from Queen & another track from Judy Garland or Hendrix & Sinatra.
I totally support this. I was thinking the same thing late last night. This way, I could have the Radio functionality on my iPod. Everytime I would sync the iPod, the Smartlist with the radio functionality would create a fresh Radio playlist and upload it to the iPod. Since I sync almost everyday, the playlist on the iPod would change all the time. Now I realize that it would probably really increase the time that the playlist needs to get generated, but I would live with that.
...Michel.
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I'm not clear how different this would be from a randomly sorted Smartlist limited to a certain number of tracks. Wouldn't that accomplish the same thing, while giving you full control over the selection criteria?
I just understand Matt's instinct to keep the Radio function as simple as possible. Limiting to Smartlist/Playlists just seems redundant, as Smartlists can already encapsulate much of this functionality.
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I'm not clear how different this would be from a randomly sorted Smartlist limited to a certain number of tracks. Wouldn't that accomplish the same thing, while giving you full control over the selection criteria?
I just understand Matt's instinct to keep the Radio function as simple as possible. Limiting to Smartlist/Playlists just seems redundant, as Smartlists can already encapsulate much of this functionality.
As I mentioned in the other thread, I do think we need a simple way to exclude tracks from Radio play (Podcasts, audio books, weird stuff, etc), but I don't know that a complex Smartlist based approach is the way to go:
This is definitely needed... Last night using the Radio mode, MC chose a few podcasts and audio books that aren't really appropriate. I think a simple solution is to have Radio mode respect a special tag (such as Keyword = NoRadio, or maybe a special boolean Prohibit Radio Play tag). It'd also be good for Podcasts that MC downloads to get whatever tag is used auto-added (but with the ability to manually override it).
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I just understand Matt's instinct to keep the Radio function as simple as possible. Limiting to Smartlist/Playlists just seems redundant, as Smartlists can already encapsulate much of this functionality.
I agree with your point. All I was saying is that a smartlist could be used to create a subset of the library you want to play on the radio. In the other thread, there is a similar suggestion to flag items to exclude from the radio. This is a good idea, but I fear that people will ask for increasing functionality around that feature. As an example, I may want to exclude some tracks for a certain radio style play, and include it in another style radio play.
The main thing I think needs including is a way to select the overall general parameter of what the radio proceeding is selecting (e.g. Classic country or ?).
I also think the radio processing is doing more than random selection within a smartlist, otherwise I would agree it would be totally redundant with a random smartlist.
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I totally support this. I was thinking the same thing late last night. This way, I could have the Radio functionality on my iPod. Everytime I would sync the iPod, the Smartlist with the radio functionality would create a fresh Radio playlist and upload it to the iPod. Since I sync almost everyday, the playlist on the iPod would change all the time. Now I realize that it would probably really increase the time that the playlist needs to get generated, but I would live with that.
...Michel.
Actually I was not suggesting using radio logic to generate the smartlist. I was suggesting using a smartlist to define what is eligible for play using radio. As an example, I have ~16,000 audio tracks. Of these, ~1000 are ones I would never want included in radio play. Of the remaining tracks, they cover everything from old old jazz to soundtracks to rock/pop to easy listening to ..... It would be nice to listen to these ~15,000 tracks like they would be played on a radio. Usually the radio station has a theme (All Country, Classical, etc.) and the DJ decides the details of what is played. In this case, the DJ is MC, The smartlist defines the theme.
Anyway, this is interesting functionality. We will see show it evolves.
BTW: If you want to export the radio to the iPod, let MC run (maybe while you sleep) and generate tracks played in playing now. You can send playing now to a playlist and sync the iPod based on that play list.
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BTW: If you want to export the radio to the iPod, let MC run (maybe while you sleep) and generate tracks played in playing now. You can send playing now to a playlist and sync the iPod based on that play list.
Brilliant idea! Thanks!
...Michel.
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If you use "preview mode"/warp speed, you can generate a PN list in minutes, rather than overnight.
FWIW, the slightly-random nature of the track picking enhances it, IMO.
Seconding Glynor, I need SOME WAY to exclide tracks that are in my library but on an offline disk. When radio hits an unavailable track it just stops.
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Seconding Glynor, I need SOME WAY to exclide tracks that are in my library but on an offline disk. When radio hits an unavailable track it just stops.
It should just automatically skip tracks that are not there - regardless of the reason why (offline disk, dead track, etc.).
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Dude, I'm pretty impressed with the track-picking in non-seeded Radio (player/radio with no tracks in PN). In fact, if anything, I think seeded palyback is somewhat problematic--radio seems to hug certain albums or artists. If anything, gives an EASY hotkey for player/radio, so that we can keep the tunes comin!
Right, but the problem is that you have to explicitly set it, everytime you want. It would be nice if there was an always on feature. Granted I am being ultra lazy here, it's just a push of a button, but still thats kind of the point to set it and forget it (forever ;)).
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I believe I see your point: under "tools/options/startup/startup actions", add the option to "start playing radio" right under the current option to "start playing current playlist". I suspect this is something that jriver might want to do.
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Sort of. Notice when the Radio is On, even if you add songs to playing now, Radio still stays on, this is great. 2 scenarios currently cause it to turn off without explicitly telling it to turn off:
1) If I play a new song from the library interrupting the current song. Can't this count as a skip, but still leave radio on so that when that song ends, Radio continues?
2) If I restart MC, Radio is turned off on startup. It would be nice if Radio cleared it's algorithm cache so to speak, but was still On on restart. In this case it would simply start when the last playing now song ended.
I would like to have an 'active passive' Radio mode that doesn't start playing music on startup, but is simply there to add music when the playing now ends (all the time), without having to remember to turn it on.
I do like the other 2 ways radio is used though, particularly the seedless kind!
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Sort of. Notice when the Radio is On, even if you add songs to playing now, Radio still stays on, this is great.
Not for me... Whenever I do any of the Send To --> Add commands (or just right-click Add to Playing Now), Radio mode turns off (no matter if I started it via Send To --> Play (Radio) or if I started it seedless). This stinks! I'd really like to be able to manually select songs and queue them to be next to play, while having it go back to Radio mode when it finishes playing the ones I've queued manually.
It really seems now that if I manually play anything it disables Radio mode. How are you adding the tracks and having Radio stay turned on?
In fact, I think when you manually queue songs via the add command with Radio playing it should probably use the newly added songs as the new "seed" from there on. The only commands that should clear the Radio mode should be the ones that would normally clear Playing Now (Play based commands rather than Add ones).
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Not for me... Whenever I do any of the Send To --> Add commands (or just right-click Add to Playing Now), Radio mode turns off (no matter if I started it via Send To --> Play (Radio) or if I started it seedless). This stinks! I'd really like to be able to manually select songs and queue them to be next to play, while having it go back to Radio mode when it finishes playing the ones I've queued manually.
It really seems now that if I manually play anything it disables Radio mode. How are you adding the tracks and having Radio stay turned on?
In fact, I think when you manually queue songs via the add command with Radio playing it should probably use the newly added songs as the new "seed" from there on. The only commands that should clear the Radio mode should be the ones that would normally clear Playing Now (Play based commands rather than Add ones).
When manually drag songs to playing now in split view, Radio accepts them and continues playing aftewards.
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When manually drag songs to playing now in split view, Radio accepts them and continues playing aftewards.
Interesting. The drag-drop works, but the Right-Click Add doesn't.
Please make the right-click Add commands work and not disable Radio!!! (It'd make me really happy.)
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I don't know if I've mentioned it but....
I really really really really really really really really really like this. My wife is equally enthusiastic. She went so far as to say "I don't think I'll ever use it any other way again."
Hell yeah guys!
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I played the radio all day and it really did work like a radio station. There were a few songs that it ended up playing about 4 times during the day, just like current hit songs. ;D
For me though, I have to be honest that I don't see a difference compared to the 4 hour random smartlist I have always used. Maybe it's just that most of my Genres are Rock and not many songs are rated. I'm rating as I go along so maybe it will be different eventually.
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"Your MC Radio"
"Your Media Center Radio"
Your, Being Your Music
If you allowed the Genres To Be Read, You Could Then Have Channels\Stations And A Seed To Start off The Radio.
If you have a Online Music Service, You Could Then Include Any Streaming Media Links...
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3. Changed: Radio will advance nicely if it picks a file that was not playable.
Using the new build, I just got one that popped up an error message (missing file) and stopped playback until I clicked OK to dismiss the error. Radio playback did resume once I clicked OK though. The file was a CDA file that had gotten imported into my library (probably because I tagged it prior to ripping the tracks). Either way, I agree that more needs to be done here. Radio should seamlessly ignore/skip any track that doesn't play for whatever reason.
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Hi Matt
Just discovered this new feature proposal, Great idea.
I should be lurking here more often.
Just out of curiosity what type of neural net algorithm do you use: straight MLP with Back prop or something more advanced ?
Again, nice idea,
Chistian
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Just out of curiosity what type of neural net algorithm do you use: straight MLP with Back prop or something more advanced ?
Well, I was sort of kidding.
I think of a neural net as anything where lots of pieces can contribute to a decision and where each of those pieces can learn based on past successes and failures. Radio in Media Center is a neural net using that simple definition.
I don't even know what reticulating a spline means, so don't ask how we do that :P
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Neural nets are good at pattern matching...its how our brains are wired.
..is there a pattern to the way we listen to music ?
such an emotional thing isn't it.
What would you like to listen to now :)
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I just had a long session with radio and am really enjoying it but wouldn't it be better to let the seed song finish before starting?
Craig
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Some things I've noticed while playing with Radio mode further. I'm really enjoying using it, and I think with just a few small tweaks and fixes it could be fantastic (and I'm having a birthday party for a friend this weekend here and I think I'll be using it)... Wink, wink, nudge, nudge. ;)
1. The Playing Now list in Theater View doesn't update as new files are added by the Radio. You have to leave the view and re-enter it to get them to show.
2. Sorry to keep harping on it, but I'd really like to be able to manually queue songs to play next, but still use the Radio function. I realize we can via drag-drop, but I'd use it mostly with Theater View and the Add functions. This is perfect for a party situation. If someone wants to hear a specific song or three, they (or I) can easily queue it for playback, but otherwise just let MC's Radio take the helm. It would be even more perfect if it then used these queued songs as the new seed when generating the list further.
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My wife told me yesterday to "Tell the dog he completely rocks!"
This was, of course, in reference to the new Radio feature, which is obviously a big hit. So... Congrats to all of you from my wife at least. ;) ;D
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are you jealous ?
;D
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are you jealous ?
Considering she calls him "the dog" and not "Matt" I think I'm okay. ;)
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i just rightclicked on an album>play as radio. it then only takes the first song. it would be nice if it would play that album (what i expected) and do its magic with all the songs to come up with something else.
thanks
gab
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Considering she calls him "the dog" and not "Matt" I think I'm okay. ;)
I guess I am slow, but i get it now.
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1. The Playing Now list in Theater View doesn't update as new files are added by the Radio. You have to leave the view and re-enter it to get them to show.
I noticed this as well.
I'd also like to be able to do this:-
I'd really like to be able to manually queue songs to play next, but still use the Radio function. I realize we can via drag-drop, but I'd use it mostly with Theater View and the Add functions. This is perfect for a party situation. If someone wants to hear a specific song or three, they (or I) can easily queue it for playback, but otherwise just let MC's Radio take the helm. It would be even more perfect if it then used these queued songs as the new seed when generating the list further.
Thanks
PS - this is really a greate feature!!
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Nice concept. I use AMG's "Mood" field a fair bit with my music and it's surprising how well it works. To have something dynamic and which can keep up with a changing mood would be a fresh idea.
Keep file tags (genre, artist album etc) filled in with clean values
How does this work? Where/how is it getting the 'correct values'?
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Just tried the Radio. I like it.
My library is rather diverse. Can you disclose enough of the algorithm to give me confidence that my Living with a Flatuence Disorder and Penthouse Letters audiobooks do not start playing in the middle of my dinner party?
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So does it actually use some common database between all users to help predict what songs a user will like? What I'd really like is an ability to basically play all the hot songs--the top 100 songs. So if I start with one of the hot songs, it should get from the database that the song I'm playing is very popular so it's likely that I like popular radio music. So basically it's as close to real radio as you can get--the same stuff over and over (lol).... Maybe a little of both.
But does it use some common database or is it just a user? Cause if it's just a user then that seems a bit tough. Not much different from random I'd say with some emphasis on certain genres or ratings. I can do that with smartlists now.
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Just tried the Radio. I like it.
My library is rather diverse. Can you disclose enough of the algorithm to give me confidence that my Living with a Flatuence Disorder and Penthouse Letters audiobooks do not start playing in the middle of my dinner party?
+1
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Loving this new feature. LOVING.
C.
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I'm loving this Radio too! :)
The surprise part of not knowing what song comes next is brilliant! :)
However, my trigger song was "Don't Stop" by Fleetwood Mac (rock,pop)
But then, when the radio started, it played me a country song. And then it seems to have stuck in the 'country' music lane?.
All songs (10 in a row now) have been country songs.
I'm afraid that I will be listening to country music for the rest of the evening now. (Although I like country)
Waylon Jennings, Dolly Parton, Johnny Cash, Freddy Fender, Willie Nelson, LeAnn Rimes.......yeehaw!
Welcome to Higginz' Country Music Radio 8)
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Well, 15 country songs in a row (genre tagged = country)
Then MCRadio maybe picked up on my slight worries of having to listen to country music all nite, cause it played me a song that was genre tagged as "Oldies". Then a song that was tagged as "Soundtrack". So, maybe this MCRadio just needed some songs to "learn" It's way around?.
Anyway, this is a great new feature of MC.
Thanks! ;)
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Can you disclose enough of the algorithm to give me confidence that my Living with a Flatuence Disorder and Penthouse Letters audiobooks do not start playing in the middle of my dinner party?
;D ;D ;D
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As someone suggested, there are many reasons why you wouldn't like to make "Radio" work with your entire library. Personally i'd like to exclude all those midis to prevent my guests from thinking karaoke party has just started.
So also giving all my support to my "Penthouse audiobooks" friend :)
Hugo
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I totally support this. I was thinking the same thing late last night. This way, I could have the Radio functionality on my iPod. Everytime I would sync the iPod, the Smartlist with the radio functionality would create a fresh Radio playlist and upload it to the iPod. Since I sync almost everyday, the playlist on the iPod would change all the time. Now I realize that it would probably really increase the time that the playlist needs to get generated, but I would live with that.
I agree. I've been doing this for years using MC with my portable MP3 players via a few complex smartlists I built. I achieve 'radio-like' playback for all the tracks I sync with my iPod that is 'better' than just 'random playback' of all the tracks on the player. I would welcome a simple 'Radio Randomize' feature to sort a viewed playlist (for example).
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As someone suggested, there are many reasons why you wouldn't like to make "Radio" work with your entire library. Personally i'd like to exclude all those midis to prevent my guests from thinking karaoke party has just started.
So also giving all my support to my "Penthouse audiobooks" friend :)
Hugo
My preferred solutions in descending order:
1) A wizard to allow me to exclude files from Radio based on an arbitrary combination of tags.
2) Confirmation from JRiver that if Radio starts on a genre it will stay on that genre.
3) Confirmation from JRiver that Radio will respect any exclusions imposed by Access Control.
Thanks.
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2) Confirmation from JRiver that if Radio starts on a genre it will stay on that genre.
Just to note that, for me, this would completely ruin the radio feature. The whole idea for me is that it should switch to different genres, as posted at the beginning of this thread by multiple users (original builds really didn't like to switch genres).
I thought the suggestion for a simple keyword-based approach to exclusion would be effective and easy-to-use-and-understand.
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I use keywords as flags to keep said flagged files out of certain viewschemes.
Choice of Tag fields for exclusion/inclusion is far more useful.
I'm undecided on the Genre thing, it can work with some and not with others. if you have few genres that all play together then Radio will be super, but once the genres start to grow, you get incompatibilities. I think a carefully crafted smartlist will outdo Radio in these cases.
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This is great. I welcome a dj-matic option.
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I'm undecided on the Genre thing, it can work with some and not with others. if you have few genres that all play together then Radio will be super, but once the genres start to grow, you get incompatibilities. I think a carefully crafted smartlist will outdo Radio in these cases.
i really think that this is what radio is about. when you have a party and you want control, use smartlists. but when you are in the mood to just play something and get some suprise, then radio is an (the) option. that is the fun of it. but i also think that there should be a way to make sure some files never get played. they are not made for radio. :)
and i think, as suggested before, that it would be nice that, if mc is on radio when you close it, it goes on being a radio after you restarted mc.
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Somebody has got to help me out here.
I'm loving this Radio too! Smiley
The surprise part of not knowing what song comes next is brilliant! Smiley
Isn't this more commonly known as Shuffle? I don't exactly understand how to use MC Radio....what is the difference between it and Shuffle? For one thing, I would have almost expected Shuffle to keep track of skipped/listened to songs but that's fine to separate them out. Also, if its picking songs that I "like" or "dislike" isn't that just voiding my months and months of rating songs? I'm essentially starting over then and having to teach Radio what I already taught ratings. I do recall ratings are considered in radio, though.
elaborate (include purpose of life if you would)
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Somebody has got to help me out here.
Isn't this more commonly known as Shuffle? I don't exactly understand how to use MC Radio....what is the difference between it and Shuffle? For one thing, I would have almost expected Shuffle to keep track of skipped/listened to songs but that's fine to separate them out. Also, if its picking songs that I "like" or "dislike" isn't that just voiding my months and months of rating songs? I'm essentially starting over then and having to teach Radio what I already taught ratings. I do recall ratings are considered in radio, though.
elaborate (include purpose of life if you would)
i think it is totaly different from shuffle. it does take your ratings in account, but does pick a lower rating so now and then. it picks its next songs based on things like genre audio analisis etc from the song playing. but how? just waiting for a slip of the tongue from matt. :)
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i think it is totaly different from shuffle. it does take your ratings in account, but does pick a lower rating so now and then. it picks its next songs based on things like genre audio analisis etc from the song playing. but how? just waiting for a slip of the tongue from matt. :)
Right! Shuffle == totally random.
Radio == Smart Random
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Pandora.com does this quite nicely.
For each song you specify thumbs up or thumbs down.
If you click 'thumbs down' then it will never play you that song again and uses it to refine what it continues to play you.
It's a great idea and I think you're right that it definitely has to be a smart feature that can be adjusted - an auto smartlist that always has the same 3 songs you absolutely hate mixed into them would just put people off it fast.
A few smart rules for it would be nice too:
All songs like this that match the following smartlist:
Genre:Hip-hop, Pop, etc
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It's a good system but based on what I examine from teenagers and students around me (I am one) I find that most of them have the mentality of only keeping the songs they like. I know several people who delete songs they don't like. To me, that's crazy and its ignoring the whole fundamental reasoning behind a music collection but I would argue that quite a few people do that.
Granted the people I'm describing are generally NOT in MC's target market but it's something to keep in mind.
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i really think that this is what radio is about. when you have a party and you want control, use smartlists. but when you are in the mood to just play something and get some suprise, then radio is an (the) option. that is the fun of it. but i also think that there should be a way to make sure some files never get played. they are not made for radio. :)
In the meantime the workaround is to remove possible offenders and create another Radio library. Then when you want radio to not play certain files you are done.
But i don't like this workaround :(
..since i doubt any learning gained from one library would carry over to another.
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Another work around might be Access Control. Does anyone know if Radio avoids files blocked by Access Control?
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So, I'm trying this for the first time right now. So far, so good. It started with a Genre of Industrial (Nine inch Nails, Down in It), then switched to a genre of Old School Punk. It is now on the 10th Old School Punk track in a row. That's cool, some stuff I haven't heard in a while, but not quite as 'random' as I'd like or expect.
Some suggestions:
Have MC switch (or offer) a Radio screen. Something that lets one see more information about what the radio is doing. For example, maybe show us the background 'criteria'; things like weightings of Genre, Artist, etc. Also, let us tweak this criteria. So, if it's got "Old School Punk" with 9 out of 10, and Pop as 1 out of 10, and Country as 7 out of 10, maybe I want to lower the weighting of Country, and raise the rating of Pop (just an example).
Also (or seperately maybe) let us thumbs up/down as we're listening. Skipping is okay, but telling it thumbs down will downgrade all the criteria by 1. So if a song comes up to play and I hit thumbs down, it rates that genre down by 1, the artist down by 1, the album down by 1, etc. Then if another song comes up, and I hit thumbs up, everything goes up by one. The result being that downgrading Misfits, Teenagers from Mars off the album Static Age in Genre Old School Punk, they all go down, but if Dead Kennedys, I Spy off Bedtime for Democracy in the same genre comes up, and I give it a thumbs up, it returns that Genre to the previous setting.
Or, perhaps show us all the criteria simultaneously in this playlist and let us thumbs up/down each of the criteria. i.e. Misfits thumbs up; Teenagers from Mars thumbs down, Static age no thumbs selected, and Old School Punk thumbs down. Letting us be as involved as we like as it goes along. Obviously we won't do this all the time, but as I'm sitting here at my machine listening, it would let me craft my feelings a bit more.
I'm now listening to the 14th Old School Punk track in a row. I would rate the genre down, but I really like this song, so I don't want to skip it.
Finally, maybe letting us manually (one time?) tell MC how one Genre relates to another. Allowing this to go back to a server to be accumulated with others decisions would probably help a lot. For example; Old School as compared to Classical would receive the lowest "related" rating available, but Old School Punk and Industrial would get a high relativity rating, and Old School Punk and Pop might get a middle of the road rating. This might make it easier for MC to know how Genre's can flow better.
With all that being said, I really like the idea, and the implementation is pretty good so far also.
I just hit skip 17 times in a row with all new songs coming up with Old School Punk until the 18th time, and it came up with Heavy Metal, which is a good follow up. It then brought up Funk, which was somewhat related in tempo and sound (kind of), then came up with Hard Rock, which was a better mix with the initial seed, and following tracks. If it would continue to mix up the genre's like it seems to be doing now, I'll be much happier.
Great job so far, thanks guys.
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Just saw this feature - I love JR but I hope you aren't infringing on another program -the Music IP mixer program - which I have utilized for this exact feature for some time..... Check it out - maybe there could be some sort of collaboration or sharing of data......
Don't get me wrong - I love having this all in one place - just seems like a very similar interface (although Music IP - has a bunch of other options - but it is not a all encompassing program like Media Center).
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Just saw this feature - I love JR but I hope you aren't infringing on another program -the Music IP mixer program - which I have utilized for this exact feature for some time..... Check it out - maybe there could be some sort of collaboration or sharing of data......
He's right, seems like a verify similiar concept (select a song and say 'build me a playlist based on this'). Looks like Memorex released an MP3 player with MusicIP software in it (wonder if it's patented?).
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In theory, you can't patent an obvious idea, but this is a discussion of Radio, not patents. If you want to discuss patents, please start a new Off Topic thread.
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In theory, you can't patent an obvious idea, but this is a discussion of Radio, not patents. If you want to discuss patents, please start a new Off Topic thread.
I love patent leather almost as much as the new radio feature, it's great for pumps & matching purse :D
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... and to use the playing now song as a seed after say, 30 sec. or half of the song's playtime, and based on that tune add a song at the end of the playing now list. The goal would be to use the skipping of songs to refine that mood ...
I wouldn't allow that, maybe as an checkbox option if it really must be. The disadvantage is that errors propagate if they are based on last selections. Just like you do it with a ruler, you always measure from point zero.
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When I tried, it mixed up Austrian folk songs with Blood Hound Gang - that really doesn't fit. And I'am suspicious if this feature would ever work nice without pattern analyzing the content.
I think I'am better done with my smartlists that pick genres, I've got lots of genres cause I differentiate e.g. rock and slow rock or funk rock and so on. And for me genre equals mood.
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I have some genres that definitely cause potential issues for Radio either due to seasonal reasons or mixed company.
Children's
Halloween
Spoken Word
Industrial Noise & Ritual Music
Christmas
Porn Groove
Porn Groove with Dialogue and Sounds
Religious Inspirational
Is there any way to exclude certain genres from Radio?
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I have ... potential issues ...
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Porn Groove
Porn Groove with Dialogue and Sounds
Religious Inspirational
Very interesting?! :-X
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Its a good start. My 2 cents:
1) lose the "radio" name. It has no relation with or association to radio, which is generally about wireless transmission, the device, or broadcast via wireless tranmission (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=radio). The only connection I see is one of the DJ, and DJs are not that sole domain of radio stations. Call it MC Butler! :-)
2) The album containing the initial song seems to be heavily favored. After 18 tracks, the 6 came from the first album, 4 from a second album, and 3 from a third. The rest were more random, with one out of nowhere Rap track.
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i was wondering if there will be a mcc command for unseeded radio available in the future. so i can start that with my remote, or even make a button in Theater View.
and i know that this is a bit of OT, but apparently radio uses the song that is playing now. it would be extremely nice if we also could use that for our own smartlists.
thanks
gab
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i was wondering if there will be a mcc command for unseeded radio available in the future. so i can start that with my remote, or even make a button in Theater View.
just thought that it would be more logical to use something like this
mc12.exe /RadioReplace playing now is replaced by radio (unseeded)
mc12.exe /Radio Radio will use the currently playing track as seed after the current track is finished
with the |zone option
:P
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I only just got around to playing with this feature. I love it!
But I did want to throw my vote in for the following enhancements:
1. This absolutely NEEDS, BEGS, PLEADS to be included into Theater View. It would be such a perfect marriage of features.
2. Play the entire seed song when Radio is turned on rather than moving right along to the next song.
3. Some sort of Radio Control List where you can specify certain criteria about what gets picked and what doesn't. Something exactly like Access Control for starters (except that Access Control still needs to be its own seperate entity) where you can specify fields/values that it won't pick from. Additionally a couple of options like the ability to jump genres or not (personally I want it to) and whether or not it should stick to files of the same rating or higher or be able to pick songs that are rated lower than the seed might be nice.
4. The ability to turn it on and it stays on no matter what you do (ie adding a song to Playing Now or even clicking Stop or shutting down MC). Again, I'm thinking of Theater View. I want to be able to add a song into the mix (as next to play) without having to turn Radio back on.
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I only just got around to playing with this feature. I love it!
But I did want to throw my vote in for the following enhancements:
1. This absolutely NEEDS, BEGS, PLEADS to be included into Theater View. It would be such a perfect marriage of features.
2. Play the entire seed song when Radio is turned on rather than moving right along to the next song.
3. Some sort of Radio Control List where you can specify certain criteria about what gets picked and what doesn't. Something exactly like Access Control for starters (except that Access Control still needs to be its own seperate entity) where you can specify fields/values that it won't pick from. Additionally a couple of options like the ability to jump genres or not (personally I want it to) and whether or not it should stick to files of the same rating or higher or be able to pick songs that are rated lower than the seed might be nice.
4. The ability to turn it on and it stays on no matter what you do (ie adding a song to Playing Now or even clicking Stop or shutting down MC). Again, I'm thinking of Theater View. I want to be able to add a song into the mix (as next to play) without having to turn Radio back on.
great suggestions!
Thanks for explaining 2. I though it was a bug or that I did not know how to use Radio.
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1. This absolutely NEEDS, BEGS, PLEADS to be included into Theater View. It would be such a perfect marriage of features.
It already is, isn't it? ... It's there for me...
2. Play the entire seed song when Radio is turned on rather than moving right along to the next song.
3. Some sort of Radio Control List where you can specify certain criteria about what gets picked and what doesn't. Something exactly like Access Control for starters (except that Access Control still needs to be its own seperate entity) where you can specify fields/values that it won't pick from. Additionally a couple of options like the ability to jump genres or not (personally I want it to) and whether or not it should stick to files of the same rating or higher or be able to pick songs that are rated lower than the seed might be nice.
agreed, and agreed.
4. The ability to turn it on and it stays on no matter what you do (ie adding a song to Playing Now or even clicking Stop or shutting down MC). Again, I'm thinking of Theater View. I want to be able to add a song into the mix (as next to play) without having to turn Radio back on.
absolutely, positively, super-dooperly agree with this! especially with respect to the addition of an individual song
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...Isn't this more commonly known as Shuffle? ...
Actually..it would be so fun if Matt just pulled our legs. Think about it, implementing a fake feature, being super secret about how it works, everyone get over excited about it and then it's just an ordinary Shuffle! All this discussion over that...hysterical! :)
Well, I'm sure Radio is for real!
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It already is, isn't it? ... It's there for me...
Well, Play (as Radio) is there. But I guess I was thinking something more along the lines of a way to just turn it on unseeded. Unless I'm missing something, you can't do that.
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sometimes i think the lists are ok. but most of the time it seems like radio get stucked. here is a screencap of what i heard the last three or so hours. started with a seeded song. maybe i should say that i dont have any genres.
(http://www.pix01.com/gallery/3CD79178-3394-46C4-9A6E-8F96F0DDA583/Radio/102061966_orig0.jpg)
i really think it would be nice if there would be a bit more variation in album or artist.
thanks
gab
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If I choose one song and Play (as Radio), that's the seed song?
If I fast forward the song to the end but let it complete and shift tracks automatically does it remain the seed song?
I'm getting some strange results i.e. audiobooks mixed with trip hop and reggae....
MoodFetch?
ESPlay?
SmartMix?
DC
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sometimes i think the lists are ok. but most of the time it seems like radio get stucked. here is a screencap of what i heard the last three or so hours. started with a seeded song. maybe i should say that i dont have any genres.
i really think it would be nice if there would be a bit more variation in album or artist.
Mine aren't like that at all. I do have a "focus" on the initial seed artist, but nothing that specific to album (generally anyhow). I do have carefully classified Genres and I do have the VAST majority of my collection analyzed. Nothing is rated though.
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Mine aren't like that at all. I do have a "focus" on the initial seed artist, but nothing that specific to album (generally anyhow). I do have carefully classified Genres and I do have the VAST majority of my collection analyzed. Nothing is rated though.
ive been thinking about it. i have all my songs analysed. i have nearly everything rated 5 except what i want to keep out of radio (rated as 1). which seems to works nice enough. i just started radio again using the same song as seed. it seems to persist playing first all the songs from a few albums, where the album i started with is played every second song. maybe because they are rated 5 and not played yet (after my rerererip). but there are much more songs having the same criteria. ?