Post by: Scronch on July 02, 2002, 09:24:30 pm
(1) The highlighted group would be shuffled.
(2) The shuffled new group is appended onto the existing playlist without re-shuffling anything in it.
But, it re-shuffles the entire Playing Now list. In fact, it even moves the files above the current song below it, so they will get played again.
What am I doing wrong?
Scronch
Listening to: 'In the Blood' from 'Deluxe' by 'Better Than Ezra' on Media Jukebox
Post by: Scronch on July 02, 2002, 10:08:01 pm
Post by: Gatobrit on July 03, 2002, 04:05:11 am
Recently there was a whole discussion of the shuffle feature (check out ) and how it is over ambitious in it's need to shuffle any time you do anything to Playing Now. Matt agreed that this needed some work but I think this is on the back-burner until the next release.
Post by: Scronch on July 03, 2002, 09:04:00 am
Scronch
Post by: Matt on July 03, 2002, 09:17:39 am
For now, turning on shuffle mode means that you don't care about track order.
We'll revisit how shuffle works for version 9.
-Matt
Post by: Scronch on July 03, 2002, 01:59:53 pm
Don't you agree?
Scronch
Post by: Callithumpian on July 03, 2002, 02:50:59 pm
The "Playing Now" list is often carefully built up.
Just turning on shuffle should not mess with it.
In fact it should never be shuffled without explicit user requirement to do so.
Currently there is no way to add some randomised tracks to "Playing Now" without randomising the whole, often very carefully assembled existing "Playing Now".
This was not always so. Once it worked properly. You could turn shuffle on and tracks were shuffled, then added, leaving the order of the existing untouched. At that time, if your wanted to reshuffle "Playing Now" you clicked it and then overtly indicated "Reshuffle". Perfect. Common sense.
This current behaviour may be "by design" (a favourite MS euphemism when they dumb something down, by the way) but it is not good design.
Crikey, I love how easy it is to bold stuff now!
Post by: Callithumpian on July 08, 2002, 03:27:56 pm
3. Changed: Playing Now will no longer be reshuffled when adding files to the end with shuffle mode on
Crikey, I love this whole place!
Post by: JimH on July 08, 2002, 05:02:44 pm
> Crikey, I love this whole place!
> 06:27:56 P.M.
Let's see, subtract 8 hours, but it's tomorrow. That makes it, more or less, give or take, 10:30 AM. A little early for the odd pint of Foster's. But thanks!
Post by: Callithumpian on July 09, 2002, 02:35:27 pm
Hey you guys, you pulled the punch.
Playing Now will no longer be reshuffled when adding files to the end with shuffle mode on
Just turning shuffle mode on still scrambles the blasted "Playing Now" list.
The change is great but its benefit is completely defeated since just hitting the shuffle button does the one thing we were trying to avoid.
Post by: Scronch on July 09, 2002, 02:57:58 pm
But there seems to be an underlying issue here. Shuffle used to be essentially a black box that lists were either sent through or around enroute to Playing Now. At first that confused me, but I came to love it. Now it appears that JRiver may want a Reshuffle button, but is trying to implement it through the shuffle function. I've thought about this awhile, and maybe the cleanest way to do this is to change the button at the bottom ot be a Reshuffle or Shuffle Now button, and to have within the right-click menu Send To > Playing Now > and Send To > Playing Now with Shuffle >, both having the same submenu below that. The Playing Now with Shuffle would shuffle only the list being sent to Playing Now, not the entire PN list.
Just my 2 cents at this time...
Scronch
Post by: KingSparta on July 09, 2002, 03:19:44 pm
Not Now....
A 12oz Bottle of foster's is setting right next to me.
I can hear it say "I Love You Mark"
Post by: Callithumpian on July 09, 2002, 03:33:19 pm
Scronch, you have cut away the flesh and exposed the conceptual bones, I think
But there seems to be an underlying issue here. Shuffle used to be essentially a black box that lists were either sent through or around enroute to Playing Now. At first that confused me, but I came to love it. Now it appears that JRiver may want a Reshuffle button, but is trying to implement it through the shuffle function.
Post by: KingSparta on July 09, 2002, 03:47:52 pm
LOL
Post by: Scronch on July 09, 2002, 07:25:07 pm
Post by: Callithumpian on July 11, 2002, 02:47:12 pm
There is a reshuffle function - that's its job.
You've walked 99 of the 100 miles necessary to make shuffle sensible again.
What about that last mile?
Post by: Scronch on July 14, 2002, 11:20:19 am