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Title: Aspect ratio issue
Post by: zurn on July 04, 2011, 10:23:48 pm

Hi,
I noticed that lately some avi's I've been working with haven't been displaying properly in 4:3. Then I noticed this around the same time:

Quote

16.0.112 (6/15/2011)
...
8. Fixed: Some videos were displaying with the wrong aspect ratio in Red October mode on Windows XP.

I'm using XP and the files display correctly with VLC on the same system.
Thanks for any help with this.

Title: Re: Aspect ratio issue
Post by: Matt on July 05, 2011, 10:31:13 am

Would you be able to provide a sample file?

Thanks.

Title: Re: Aspect ratio issue
Post by: zurn on July 05, 2011, 01:53:20 pm

Sure, i should be able to later this evening.  What's the easiest way to do that?

Title: Re: Aspect ratio issue
Post by: zurn on July 05, 2011, 09:42:54 pm

Found somewhere to stash it, and also confirmed the same behavior on a different PC (also XP).

http://zurn.freeshell.org/sample.avi

thanks!

Title: Re: Aspect ratio issue
Post by: Matt on July 08, 2011, 09:45:21 am

I've been unable to reproduce this.

Is it still happening?

Thanks.

Title: Re: Aspect ratio issue
Post by: zurn on July 08, 2011, 10:01:03 am

Thanks for looking into this.  Afraid so--nothing's changed on my side.  Keep in mind that what i'm seeing is that when i select 4:3 nothing appears to happen, whereas before it stretched the picture vertically so that it looked "right."

Pretty sure the version was .116 when i noticed this, and i've upgraded to .122/3 since. 

It's strange because this came at the end of a long process of trying different methods of capturing and encoding, during which at some point i thought "boy, this sure looks stretched horizontally" and then realizing that if i told MC explicitly to use 4:3 rather than source, it looked right.  Suddenly when i was satisfied with my encoding process it stopped doing that.

Thanks again...

Title: Re: Aspect ratio issue
Post by: Matt on July 08, 2011, 10:04:44 am

What do you get if you tell it to use the source aspect ratio instead of specifying 4:3?

Could you send a screenshot of how the video looks to matt at jriver dot com?

Thanks.

Title: Re: Aspect ratio issue
Post by: zurn on July 08, 2011, 10:14:00 am

Easier to see than describe  :)  I was thinking i'd try to send screenshots, so i'll do that later tonight.  In general it just looks flattened (i was capturing at 756x480).

Thanks again for helping out with this!

Title: Re: Aspect ratio issue
Post by: zurn on July 08, 2011, 09:47:24 pm

OK, keep an eye on the shape of the hat:

Here's MC16 with source AR:

http://zurn.freeshell.org/sample-MC16-source.jpg

Then if i switch it to 4:3...

http://zurn.freeshell.org/sample-MC16-source.jpg

It's exactly the same.

However, here's source in VLC:

http://zurn.freeshell.org/sample-MC16-source.jpg

(about the same, if not the exact same frame.)

But here it is after switching to 4:3 in VLC:

http://zurn.freeshell.org/sample-VLC-4.3.png

See how his hat is more of an ellipse shape?  I've been using this scene as a point of reference because i noticed that shape difference.

What do you think?

Title: Re: Aspect ratio issue
Post by: zurn on July 27, 2011, 02:25:41 pm

Hey Matt,
Did you get a chance to look at these?  Sorry to bug, but thought i'd check in...

Title: Re: Aspect ratio issue
Post by: zurn on August 11, 2011, 11:12:57 pm

bump.

Title: Re: Aspect ratio issue
Post by: zurn on August 30, 2011, 11:14:51 pm

bump.  This continues...any chance of a fix?  Or could it still not be reproduced?  I've reformatted my system since then (not for this reason) and it remains.  Just noticing it more because i'm capturing more and more from my archive.

Title: Re: Aspect ratio issue
Post by: Matt on August 31, 2011, 11:48:50 am

I have not been able to reproduce this with Red October Standard or HQ.  When I pick 4:3, the output size is exactly 4:3.  I'm taking a screenshot, then measuring in an image editor.

Are you using Red October Standard?  Could you copy and paste your graph here (right-click a playing video)?

Thanks.

Title: Re: Aspect ratio issue
Post by: zurn on September 02, 2011, 10:07:47 am

Just tried something i hadn't thought to try:  at work i use Win7, and it works correctly.   Remember this seemed to happen after a *fix* to another XP AR issue...in any case, here's the data from this system.  I'll get my home systems (both of which are XP) later.

Filter Graph Info:

    Filter 'JRiver Audio Renderer'
        CLSID: {A4002F8E-510F-442C-8AD3-F9C7B23FB394}
        Host:
        Input Pin 'In'
            Connected to pin 'Output' of filter 'LAV Audio Decoder (auto-configured)'
            Major type MEDIATYPE_Audio  Sub type MEDIASUBTYPE_PCM, Format type FORMAT_WaveFormatEx

    Filter 'Enhanced Video Renderer'
        CLSID: {FA10746C-9B63-4B6C-BC49-FC300EA5F256}
        Host: c:\windows\system32\evr.dll
        Input Pin 'EVR Input0'
            Connected to pin 'Out' of filter 'ffdshow Video Decoder (auto-configured)'
            Major type MEDIATYPE_Video  Sub type MEDIASUBTYPE_YV12, Format type FORMAT_VideoInfo2
        Input Pin 'EVR Input1'

    Filter 'ffdshow Video Decoder (auto-configured)'
        CLSID: {04FE9017-F873-410E-871E-AB91661A4EF7}
        Host: C:\Users\zurn\AppData\Roaming\J River\Media Center 16\Plugins\ffdshow\ffdshow.ax
        Input Pin 'In'
            Connected to pin 'Output' of filter 'JRiver Video Monitor'
            Major type MEDIATYPE_Video  Sub type Unknown GUID Name: {44495658-0000-0010-8000-00AA00389B71}, Format type FORMAT_VideoInfo
        Output Pin 'Out'
            Connected to pin 'EVR Input0' of filter 'Enhanced Video Renderer'
            Major type MEDIATYPE_Video  Sub type MEDIASUBTYPE_YV12, Format type FORMAT_VideoInfo2
        Input Pin 'In Text'

    Filter 'LAV Audio Decoder (auto-configured)'
        CLSID: {E8E73B6B-4CB3-44A4-BE99-4F7BCB96E491}
        Host: C:\Users\zurn\AppData\Roaming\J River\Media Center 16\Plugins\lav\LAVAudio.ax
        Input Pin 'Input'
            Connected to pin 'Output' of filter 'JRiver Audio Monitor'
            Major type MEDIATYPE_Audio  Sub type MEDIASUBTYPE_PCM, Format type FORMAT_WaveFormatEx
        Output Pin 'Output'
            Connected to pin 'In' of filter 'JRiver Audio Renderer'
            Major type MEDIATYPE_Audio  Sub type MEDIASUBTYPE_PCM, Format type FORMAT_WaveFormatEx

    Filter 'JRiver Video Monitor'
        CLSID: {A4207487-E7D8-406B-9882-B66370DE2492}
        Host:
        Input Pin 'Input'
            Connected to pin 'Video' of filter 'LAV Source Splitter'
            Major type MEDIATYPE_Video  Sub type Unknown GUID Name: {44495658-0000-0010-8000-00AA00389B71}, Format type FORMAT_VideoInfo
        Output Pin 'Output'
            Connected to pin 'In' of filter 'ffdshow Video Decoder (auto-configured)'
            Major type MEDIATYPE_Video  Sub type Unknown GUID Name: {44495658-0000-0010-8000-00AA00389B71}, Format type FORMAT_VideoInfo

    Filter 'JRiver Audio Monitor'
        CLSID: {A4207487-E7D8-406B-9882-B66370DE2492}
        Host:
        Input Pin 'Input'
            Connected to pin 'Audio' of filter 'LAV Source Splitter'
            Major type MEDIATYPE_Audio  Sub type MEDIASUBTYPE_PCM, Format type FORMAT_WaveFormatEx
        Output Pin 'Output'
            Connected to pin 'Input' of filter 'LAV Audio Decoder (auto-configured)'
            Major type MEDIATYPE_Audio  Sub type MEDIASUBTYPE_PCM, Format type FORMAT_WaveFormatEx

    Filter 'LAV Source Splitter'
        CLSID: {B98D13E7-55DB-4385-A33D-09FD1BA26338}
        Host: C:\Users\zurn\AppData\Roaming\J River\Media Center 16\Plugins\lav\LAVSplitter.ax
        Output Pin 'Video'
            Connected to pin 'Input' of filter 'JRiver Video Monitor'
            Major type MEDIATYPE_Video  Sub type Unknown GUID Name: {44495658-0000-0010-8000-00AA00389B71}, Format type FORMAT_VideoInfo
        Output Pin 'Audio'
            Connected to pin 'Input' of filter 'JRiver Audio Monitor'
            Major type MEDIATYPE_Audio  Sub type MEDIASUBTYPE_PCM, Format type FORMAT_WaveFormatEx

Title: Re: Aspect ratio issue
Post by: zurn on September 02, 2011, 09:13:29 pm

Here's info from one of my home systems:

Filter Graph Info:

    Filter 'JRiver Audio Renderer'
        CLSID: {A4002F8E-510F-442C-8AD3-F9C7B23FB394}
        Host:
        Input Pin 'In'
            Connected to pin 'Stream 01' of filter 'AVI Splitter'
            Major type MEDIATYPE_Audio  Sub type MEDIASUBTYPE_PCM, Format type FORMAT_WaveFormatEx

    Filter 'Video Mixing Renderer 9'
        CLSID: {51B4ABF3-748F-4E3B-A276-C828330E926A}
        Host: %systemroot%\system32\quartz.dll
        Input Pin 'VMR Input0'
            Connected to pin 'XForm Out' of filter 'Xvid MPEG-4 Video Decoder'
            Major type MEDIATYPE_Video  Sub type MEDIASUBTYPE_YUY2, Format type FORMAT_VideoInfo2
        Input Pin 'VMR Input1'

    Filter 'Xvid MPEG-4 Video Decoder'
        CLSID: {64697678-0000-0010-8000-00AA00389B71}
        Host: c:\windows\system32\xvid.ax
        Input Pin 'XForm In'
            Connected to pin 'Stream 00' of filter 'AVI Splitter'
            Major type MEDIATYPE_Video  Sub type Unknown GUID Name: {44495658-0000-0010-8000-00AA00389B71}, Format type FORMAT_VideoInfo
        Output Pin 'XForm Out'
            Connected to pin 'VMR Input0' of filter 'Video Mixing Renderer 9'
            Major type MEDIATYPE_Video  Sub type MEDIASUBTYPE_YUY2, Format type FORMAT_VideoInfo2

    Filter 'AVI Splitter'
        CLSID: {1B544C20-FD0B-11CE-8C63-00AA0044B51E}
        Host: c:\windows\system32\quartz.dll
        Output Pin 'Stream 00'
            Connected to pin 'XForm In' of filter 'Xvid MPEG-4 Video Decoder'
            Major type MEDIATYPE_Video  Sub type Unknown GUID Name: {44495658-0000-0010-8000-00AA00389B71}, Format type FORMAT_VideoInfo
        Output Pin 'Stream 01'
            Connected to pin 'In' of filter 'JRiver Audio Renderer'
            Major type MEDIATYPE_Audio  Sub type MEDIASUBTYPE_PCM, Format type FORMAT_WaveFormatEx
        Input Pin 'input pin'
            Connected to pin 'Output' of filter 'C:\film\unreplace\glass key.avi'
            Major type MEDIATYPE_Stream  Sub type MEDIASUBTYPE_Avi, Format type TIME_FORMAT_NONE

    Filter 'C:\film\unreplace\glass key.avi'
        CLSID: {E436EBB5-524F-11CE-9F53-0020AF0BA770}
        Host: c:\windows\system32\quartz.dll
        Output Pin 'Output'
            Connected to pin 'input pin' of filter 'AVI Splitter'
            Major type MEDIATYPE_Stream  Sub type MEDIASUBTYPE_Avi, Format type TIME_FORMAT_NONE

Title: Re: Aspect ratio issue
Post by: Matt on September 02, 2011, 09:19:37 pm

That XP graph is not using Red October, since "Xvid MPEG-4 Video Decoder" is not a Red October filter.  Please test with Red October Standard or HQ.

You could also try Red October Standard with additional filters and select EVR as the default renderer.  This will happen automatically for up-to-date XP systems in a coming build.

Thanks.

Title: Re: Aspect ratio issue
Post by: zurn on September 02, 2011, 09:30:36 pm

Sorry--forgot that i'd been trying it with "Windows Merit Based."  I'm looking for EVR as an option but not finding it:  Options > Video > DS method: RO w/additional filters > then AVI as file type and JRiver Engine...but nothing matches that under renderer.

In any case, with just RO standard selected, here's the graph:

Filter Graph Info:

    Filter 'JRiver Audio Renderer'
        CLSID: {A4002F8E-510F-442C-8AD3-F9C7B23FB394}
        Host:
        Input Pin 'In'
            Connected to pin 'Output' of filter 'LAV Audio Decoder (auto-configured)'
            Major type MEDIATYPE_Audio  Sub type MEDIASUBTYPE_PCM, Format type FORMAT_WaveFormatEx

    Filter 'Video Mixing Renderer 9'
        CLSID: {51B4ABF3-748F-4E3B-A276-C828330E926A}
        Host: %systemroot%\system32\quartz.dll
        Input Pin 'VMR Input0'
            Connected to pin 'Out' of filter 'ffdshow Video Decoder (auto-configured)'
            Major type MEDIATYPE_Video  Sub type MEDIASUBTYPE_YV12, Format type FORMAT_VideoInfo2
        Input Pin 'VMR Input1'

    Filter 'ffdshow Video Decoder (auto-configured)'
        CLSID: {04FE9017-F873-410E-871E-AB91661A4EF7}
        Host: C:\Documents and Settings\Leo\Application Data\J River\Media Center 16\Plugins\ffdshow\ffdshow.ax
        Input Pin 'In'
            Connected to pin 'Output' of filter 'JRiver Video Monitor'
            Major type MEDIATYPE_Video  Sub type Unknown GUID Name: {44495658-0000-0010-8000-00AA00389B71}, Format type FORMAT_VideoInfo
        Output Pin 'Out'
            Connected to pin 'VMR Input0' of filter 'Video Mixing Renderer 9'
            Major type MEDIATYPE_Video  Sub type MEDIASUBTYPE_YV12, Format type FORMAT_VideoInfo2
        Input Pin 'In Text'

    Filter 'LAV Audio Decoder (auto-configured)'
        CLSID: {E8E73B6B-4CB3-44A4-BE99-4F7BCB96E491}
        Host: C:\Documents and Settings\Leo\Application Data\J River\Media Center 16\Plugins\lav\LAVAudio.ax
        Input Pin 'Input'
            Connected to pin 'Output' of filter 'JRiver Audio Monitor'
            Major type MEDIATYPE_Audio  Sub type MEDIASUBTYPE_PCM, Format type FORMAT_WaveFormatEx
        Output Pin 'Output'
            Connected to pin 'In' of filter 'JRiver Audio Renderer'
            Major type MEDIATYPE_Audio  Sub type MEDIASUBTYPE_PCM, Format type FORMAT_WaveFormatEx

    Filter 'JRiver Video Monitor'
        CLSID: {A4207487-E7D8-406B-9882-B66370DE2492}
        Host:
        Input Pin 'Input'
            Connected to pin 'Video' of filter 'LAV Source Splitter'
            Major type MEDIATYPE_Video  Sub type Unknown GUID Name: {44495658-0000-0010-8000-00AA00389B71}, Format type FORMAT_VideoInfo
        Output Pin 'Output'
            Connected to pin 'In' of filter 'ffdshow Video Decoder (auto-configured)'
            Major type MEDIATYPE_Video  Sub type Unknown GUID Name: {44495658-0000-0010-8000-00AA00389B71}, Format type FORMAT_VideoInfo

    Filter 'JRiver Audio Monitor'
        CLSID: {A4207487-E7D8-406B-9882-B66370DE2492}
        Host:
        Input Pin 'Input'
            Connected to pin 'Audio' of filter 'LAV Source Splitter'
            Major type MEDIATYPE_Audio  Sub type MEDIASUBTYPE_PCM, Format type FORMAT_WaveFormatEx
        Output Pin 'Output'
            Connected to pin 'Input' of filter 'LAV Audio Decoder (auto-configured)'
            Major type MEDIATYPE_Audio  Sub type MEDIASUBTYPE_PCM, Format type FORMAT_WaveFormatEx

    Filter 'LAV Source Splitter'
        CLSID: {B98D13E7-55DB-4385-A33D-09FD1BA26338}
        Host: C:\Documents and Settings\Leo\Application Data\J River\Media Center 16\Plugins\lav\LAVSplitter.ax
        Output Pin 'Video'
            Connected to pin 'Input' of filter 'JRiver Video Monitor'
            Major type MEDIATYPE_Video  Sub type Unknown GUID Name: {44495658-0000-0010-8000-00AA00389B71}, Format type FORMAT_VideoInfo
        Output Pin 'Audio'
            Connected to pin 'Input' of filter 'JRiver Audio Monitor'
            Major type MEDIATYPE_Audio  Sub type MEDIASUBTYPE_PCM, Format type FORMAT_WaveFormatEx

Thanks!

Title: Re: Aspect ratio issue
Post by: Matt on September 02, 2011, 09:34:37 pm

Quote from: zurn on September 02, 2011, 09:30:36 pm

Sorry--forgot that i'd been trying it with "Windows Merit Based."  I'm looking for EVR as an option but not finding it:  Options > Video > DS method: RO w/additional filters > then AVI as file type and JRiver Engine...but nothing matches that under renderer.

Once you pick "with additional filters" a new option appears in Options > Video called 'Default video renderer'.

You will need to have an up-to-date XP system for EVR to be a choice.

Title: Re: Aspect ratio issue
Post by: zurn on September 02, 2011, 10:08:18 pm

See the menu now, thanks, but it's still not an option.  "Up-to-date" as in...SP3 and auto updates are enabled...

Title: Re: Aspect ratio issue
Post by: zurn on September 02, 2011, 11:39:32 pm

Actually, nevermind:  Finally got a chance to try EVR on my HTPC (which is the only one i really care about anyway, tho i still don't see why my other XP is different), and that worked!  Now switching from Source to 4:3 makes it appear properly.

Thanks very much for figuring it out, Matt!