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Title: Automatically change DSP settings problem playing 192khz files
Post by: Kraantje on September 14, 2011, 02:59:55 pm
While trying to play 24 bit 192khz FLAC files I get the message: "Playback could not be started using the format 192000 Hz, 24 Bits Per Sample, 2 channels. Would you like to have your DSP studio > Output Format settings changed automatically."
If checked yes, it changes to resample sources less than 44,100 Hz or greater than 96,000, sampling to 96000 Hz.

What settings do I need to play 192,000 files? I would like no resampling at all especially for my growing number of Master Tape Quality files (which are 2 channel actually). I use WASAPI event style, all variables on recommended (including JRSS v2.0 mixing).

Any tips?
Title: Re: Automatically change DSP settings problem playing 192khz files
Post by: Skogkatt on September 15, 2011, 09:26:51 am
I assume your soundcard/DAC is/are capable of reproducing 192kHz 24bit: if this is correct, you most probably
have to change the sample rate in the driver settings of your output device (soundcard).

Infact, not all SW drivers are auto-sensing the sample rate of the audio files adapting on the fly to
any sample rate/resolution combinations.     
Title: Re: Automatically change DSP settings problem playing 192khz files
Post by: Kraantje on September 15, 2011, 09:48:48 am
I use an Arcam rDAC which is 192/24 capable. It is connected through USB, so as far as I know my PC's soundcard is not in the loop here.
Title: Re: Automatically change DSP settings problem playing 192khz files
Post by: JimH on September 15, 2011, 09:55:59 am
Is there an ASIO driver available from the manufacturer?
Title: Re: Automatically change DSP settings problem playing 192khz files
Post by: JimH on September 15, 2011, 10:02:13 am
Another thread:
http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=63878.0

and a review:
http://www.cnet.com.au/arcam-rdac-339310412.htm

In that review, they say that the chip is capable of 96Khz:
Quote
The rDAC features a higher specification than the DacMagic with the inclusion of a 24-bit/96kHz BurrBrown DAC which will also decode USB files at the same rate.

I found the manual for the wired version on their web site and it only supports 192Khz for the coax connection.  See the attached image.

Link to manual:
http://www.arcam.co.uk/_ugc/file/rDac_ManML.pdf
Title: Re: Automatically change DSP settings problem playing 192khz files
Post by: Skogkatt on September 15, 2011, 10:16:27 am
From the user manual of your DAC it appears that it does support 192-24 only through coaxial SPIDF, while USB is limited to 96kHz.

DAC
Wolfson 8741 24-bit multilevel Delta-Sigma DAC
Frequency response
10Hz — 20kHz, +0 -0.2dB
Total Harmonic Distortion + Noise
0.002%
Signal-to-noise ratio (A–Weighted)
112dB
Maximum output level
2.2V RMS
Supported sample rates
USB
32kHz, 44.1kHz, 48kHz, 88.2kHz, 96kHz
Optical
44.1kHz, 48kHz
Coaxial
44.1kHz, 48kHz, 88.2kHz, 96kHz, 176.4kHz, 192kHz

I think the only way to reproduce your files at native sample rate you have to use either a USB to SPDIF adapter
or a sound card with coaxial SPIDF output capable of 192-24.

Many recent motherboard with integrated HD multimedia chipset are equipped with an internal connector for SPIDF
up to 192-24. For laptop/notebooks the only choice available is the USB adapter.
Title: Re: Automatically change DSP settings problem playing 192khz files
Post by: Kraantje on September 19, 2011, 03:01:22 am
Many thanks for all the answers. Obviously my Arcam rDAC is the bottleneck for playing 192kHz files through USB. For this moment I will just hold on to the setting 'resample sources less than 44,100 Hz or greater than 96,000, sampling to 96000 Hz' in JRiver.

Using a USB to SPIF adapter as suggested is not an option since the USB connection on the rDAc is clearly superior to the SPIDF. I don't think it will be any better then downsampling the 192kHz files to 96kHz instead. I follow my dealer's suggestion and start saving for an Antelope Zodiac DAC which can handle up to 384kHz through USB.

Anyway , I stick to JRiver. Great media player and great support, thanks!