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More => Old Versions => Media Jukebox => Topic started by: blabla on March 16, 2002, 04:12:09 am

Title: AAC support
Post by: blabla on March 16, 2002, 04:12:09 am
Would be cool if Jukebox would support AAC. You might have a look at audiocoding.com (the faac/faad library).
Title: RE:AAC support
Post by: JimH on March 16, 2002, 04:23:15 am
It is subject to a steep royalty.
Title: RE:AAC support
Post by: blabla on March 16, 2002, 07:35:13 am
no it is not: faac/faad, audiocoding.com
Title: RE:AAC support
Post by: JimH on March 16, 2002, 08:38:52 am
http://www.dolby.com/trademark/

Last time we talked with Dolby, it was a Lot of Money.
Title: RE:AAC support
Post by: blabla on March 16, 2002, 08:44:25 am
But audiocoding.com is not dolby.
Title: RE:AAC support
Post by: KingSparta on March 16, 2002, 08:54:14 am
AudioCoding.com's goal is to provide the community with free MPEG-4
audio codecs. Currently implemented are MPEG-2 and MPEG-4 AAC.
The supported AAC profiles are Main, LC and LTP. In the forseeable
future we also plan to implement a MPEG-4 CELP codec and consequently
a MPEG-4 AAC Scalable codec.
Title: RE:AAC support
Post by: JimH on March 16, 2002, 11:19:00 am
From memory ....  AAC belongs to Dolby and two other companies.  They license it per PC and it is expensive.  Maybe they will change some day, but just because someone else says it is free that doesn't make it so.  MP3 was allegedly free in the early days.  Frauenhofer and Thomson saw it differently.
Title: RE:AAC support
Post by: KingSparta on March 16, 2002, 11:25:00 am
I would take it then maybe a lawsuit will be forth coming then for www.audiocoding.com
Title: RE:AAC support
Post by: Trelane on March 16, 2002, 11:35:37 am
Jim is correct. AAC is subject to steep royalties for patents owned by Dolby, Fraunhofer, and AT&T. The only reason audiocoding.com gets away with it is because a) they're releasing source code modifications to the original ISO source and b) any binaries released are hosted on servers in countries that don't recognize US patent and copyright laws. It is perfectly legal to download these binaries if you live in a country that doesn't recognize US patent and copyright laws. Two countries that immediately come to mind are Yugoslavia and Russia.
Title: RE:AAC support
Post by: blabla on March 16, 2002, 12:29:48 pm
AAC ist part of MPEG-4. AudioCoding.com's code IMHO rewritten from scratch it does not use any licensed code. That's why, it is free actually... There are Winamp plugins on basis of faac/faad as well.
Title: RE:AAC support
Post by: Trelane on March 16, 2002, 01:17:04 pm
This does not matter. They are using algorithms patented by Dolby and friends.

Take a look at the download page. All that is available is source code because this is the only legal method of transport. Read further, and you'll see why. "There are no binaries because Dolby will not allow that." AAC is a commercial format designed for secure music transfer. I do not forsee its usage in the home. Try MPC or OGG instead.
Title: RE:AAC support
Post by: KingSparta on March 16, 2002, 01:23:49 pm
>> I do not forsee its usage in the home. Try MPC or OGG instead.
OGG like 50 users use it on the globe, not popular

Go to Wall-Mart (Common every day People) And ask people what file formats they have heard off

MP3 will be 99.9999%, OGG = 0%, MPC = 0%
Title: RE:AAC support
Post by: Severian on March 16, 2002, 02:11:57 pm
I think first you'd have to find common, everyday people who know what 'file' and 'format' even means. Most common, everyday people have a tough time even spelling MP3.
Title: RE:AAC support
Post by: KingSparta on March 16, 2002, 02:35:27 pm
hehehe
Title: RE:AAC support
Post by: zevele1 on March 16, 2002, 02:44:54 pm
Commun computer people do know few words:
Yahoo!-RealPlayer-RealJukebox and first,NORTON
Must of the time they run the free version they got with they Pentium or other product .The one good for one year.If they do the updates,they get it until december 31 of the year they brought the harware.And from this date they still have that they believe to be a  a fearless surfing for the years to come...................
Title: RE:AAC support
Post by: Trelane on March 16, 2002, 03:20:16 pm
Of course MP3 has dominance, it's been around since 1991. It didn't gain popularity until just recently. Give new, superior technologies such as MPC and OGG time.

MP3 wins hands down for popularity and support. OGG wins for openness (is that a word? Next Page). MPC wins for quality. AAC is high quality, but the royalties render it useless to home users.

About asking Walmart employees about the formats: what will that prove? I happily use MPC and APE for storing my music. If a Walmart employee doesn't know what MPC is, why do I care? I'm not sharing my collection with him. The same is true with every other format... use what you like.
Title: RE:AAC support
Post by: KingSparta on March 16, 2002, 03:28:15 pm
>> Walmart employees
Not Walmart employees, Customers

It was a general ref
Title: RE:AAC support
Post by: Trelane on March 16, 2002, 03:51:15 pm
Either way, I'm not sharing my collection with them.
Title: RE:AAC support
Post by: blabla on March 17, 2002, 12:23:38 am
Well, then develop a jukebox plugin on basis of faac/faad and distribute the source only (compilable by the freeware LCC, just as Audiocoding does) Next Page
Title: RE:AAC support
Post by: KingSparta on March 17, 2002, 01:03:02 am
blabla

>> Well, then develop a jukebox plugin on basis of faac/faad and distribute the source only
well there is an external encoder option, you can get the sourc* Cod* and You Can Create An EXE and use it for your self.

this really is point less, since jim said NO.

I hear the tread closing
Title: RE:AAC support
Post by: JimH on March 17, 2002, 01:40:33 am
What I meant to say is "not at this time".  If Dolby and friends change their royalty structure, we will probably do it.