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Title: Wiki Updates
Post by: jmone on January 20, 2014, 01:57:16 am
Lots of good updates, and now I'm spurred on from everyone's fine example.  I was having a look at some of the pages I wrote or contributed to (way back in MC12 days) and boy are they out of date.  To make sure we don't double up I'll have a look at:

http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Video_Playback_Customization
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Customisable_Video_Playback

I plan to ditch the Reclock stuff all together.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: jmone on January 20, 2014, 02:42:46 am
Glynor I think you made these pages, but is it time to retire them or create an "archive" area for such content?

http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/DirectShow_Playback_Guide
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/DirectShow_Playback_Guide:Alternative_Filters
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/DirectShow_Playback_Guide:DVD_and_MPEG-2
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: InflatableMouse on January 20, 2014, 03:17:57 am
Thanks!

I was going to ask for a list of topics that need revising or good forum topics that could be moved to the wiki.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: jmone on January 20, 2014, 03:29:37 am
Good idea.  A consolidated thread of who is doing what bit makes sense to me.

What do people want to do with superseded stuff in general?  By this I mean things that applies only to older versions of MC.  Should the Wiki only contain info that is relevant to N-2 (eg MC17,18,19)?  If so, should we ditch such content all together or is there some way in the Wiki of having an "Archive Area" that these pages can be moved to?
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: jmone on January 20, 2014, 04:43:02 am
Trolling the old forums for potential topics to add to the wiki
- Video to Audio conversion http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=80684.0 & Video Conversion in General
- 3D BD - http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=81259.0
- BD (Forced Subs) - add words (lots of threads)
- BD (Menus / Title Selection) - add words
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on January 20, 2014, 06:23:53 am
Glynor I think you made these pages, but is it time to retire them or create an "archive" area for such content?

http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/DirectShow_Playback_Guide
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/DirectShow_Playback_Guide:Alternative_Filters
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/DirectShow_Playback_Guide:DVD_and_MPEG-2

I was thinking the same last night.

If we change the Category on those (and other similar things) to Archived FAQs, or something similar.  You can then add "Frequently Asked Questions" as a category on the page for the Archived FAQs page, and it adds it as a subcategory to the main FAQ page, and they'll remain easy to find for people using older versions of MC.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on January 20, 2014, 06:30:31 am
If we change the Category on those (and other similar things) to Archived FAQs, or something similar.  You can then add "Frequently Asked Questions" as a category on the page for the Archived FAQs page, and it adds it as a subcategory to the main FAQ page, and they'll remain easy to find for people using older versions of MC.

I did it with one of them.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on January 20, 2014, 11:19:20 am
There.  I moved the rest of the old DirectShow guides you referenced above over to the new Archived FAQs category.

To move other articles, simply add this to the tail of the file (in place of the regular FAQ category):
Code: [Select]
[[Category:Archived FAQs]]
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: jmone on January 20, 2014, 01:28:08 pm
Thanks, I'll check it out and follow on!
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: fitbrit on January 20, 2014, 10:42:48 pm
I just wanted to pay my respects. The entry by glynor on DirectShow was an "Aha moment" for me, back in the MC12 days when I was new to the HTPC and codecs. I do not exaggerate when I say that it changed my life forever.
Retiring the bookmark from my Chrome now.  :'(
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on January 20, 2014, 10:50:22 pm
I just wanted to pay my respects. The entry by glynor on DirectShow was an "Aha moment" for me, back in the MC12 days when I was new to the HTPC and codecs. I do not exaggerate when I say that it changed my life forever.
Retiring the bookmark from my Chrome now.  :'(

Its funny.

I've read about that guide a few other places, just lurking, on the Internets at large.  I remember one guy saying something like: "Some guy wrote this guide on codecs and stuff over here (link).  It is specific to some other player, but it is pretty good and you can just follow most of that."  Junk like that, here and there.

Still #4 on the Google (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=directshow+playback) if you search for "directshow playback", right below three MSDN results.  I think it was #1 for a time.

It would be nice if someone used the framework and made a new, updated edition, referencing all the great work that has been done by madshi and nev.*  But...  Red October made me really, really lazy in this regard.  I knew all that crazy figuring it out stuff because you had to crazy figure it out to get anything done back in those days (and my job made me deal with it constantly, transcoding things from one format to another).   I just haven't been following it as well as I could... Because I don't have to anymore.

A bunch of people here really have the knowledge, but I don't know if they have the motivation or time (or writing skills, frankly) to do it justice.

* But maybe keep my old version archived, for old-timey's sake.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on January 20, 2014, 10:59:32 pm
Oh, yeah.  I forgot, and it is on Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DirectShow#External_links).  I didn't do that.

And a bunch of eHow link-farm type articles, though that's of dubious honor.

EDIT: Hah.  I got curious, so I looked.  I guess I did do that (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=DirectShow&oldid=132947796).  I added it way back in May 2007, and the "blurb" around it has been changed (and other external links have come and gone), but it stayed.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: jmone on January 21, 2014, 04:45:40 am
Lots of good updates, and now I'm spurred on from everyone's fine example.  I was having a look at some of the pages I wrote or contributed to (way back in MC12 days) and boy are they out of date.  To make sure we don't double up I'll have a look at:

http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Video_Playback_Customization
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Customisable_Video_Playback

I plan to ditch the Reclock stuff all together.


I've moved these to the Archive but need to add some content back into http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Video_Playback_Options especially the detail on "playback info" but I'm travelling at present so don't have full access to my home system to check some details.

Also - I remember as a newbie the early days of the Direct Show playback and the guide Glynor put together and the "debate" we had on Frame Rate changing and Reclock to get stuff smooth.  Then came the BD support debates.  I was most nervous at the time, but now they are core features of MC!  Next is Intercom!
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: fitbrit on January 21, 2014, 05:10:17 pm
It would be nice if someone used the framework and made a new, updated edition, referencing all the great work that has been done by madshi and nev.*  But...  Red October made me really, really lazy in this regard.  I knew all that crazy figuring it out stuff because you had to crazy figure it out to get anything done back in those days (and my job made me deal with it constantly, transcoding things from one format to another).   I just haven't been following it as well as I could... Because I don't have to anymore.

Exactly how I feel too. I read about people's codec issues on other forums, and I almost sneer at them not using MC, choosing 'eye candy' over functionality.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: jmone on January 21, 2014, 09:09:56 pm
Yup, I now run from posts on the other sites when they say they have some mega codec pack installed!
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: jmone on January 23, 2014, 04:17:01 am
I'm a newbie on this!  How do I:
1) Edit a title of an existing page, eg http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Video_Playback_Aspect_Ratio to say "Video Playback : Aspect Ratio and Cropping" as I want to broaden this page and
2) Create a new page.

Sorry  :-X

Nathan
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: MrC on January 23, 2014, 05:07:30 am
1. http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Moving_a_page

2. Start here:  http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=85964.msg588141#msg588141 (http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=85964.msg588141#msg588141)
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on January 23, 2014, 07:00:15 am
2. Start here:  http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=85964.msg588141#msg588141 (http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=85964.msg588141#msg588141)

I usually just make a link from my user page on the Wiki.  Click your name in the top-right of the screen (and make that a page if you need to), and then you can just add links there, click on them to make new pages.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: jmone on January 23, 2014, 02:19:55 pm
OK - think I've got that (weird but anyway).....

So how to edit a title or don't we have permission?
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: MrC on January 23, 2014, 02:35:58 pm
The paradigm of a Wiki page is that the name is immutable, since it is likely to be linked to by other pages.  So you have two options: 1) create a new page and use the Redirect technique described in the link I posted above in (1), or 2) ignore the page name, and just use the naming feature of a link.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: jmone on January 23, 2014, 02:40:01 pm
Thanks - I had read those pages last night before posting but like all new concepts you don't get.... I sat there huh...  I'll just try to work it out, then when that failed ... ask!

I'll circle back to "try".
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: MrC on January 23, 2014, 02:46:33 pm
Sorry about my terse post last night - late at night for me, and using a tablet.

I had the same question/problem as you, back when I wrote the File Properties (tags) page.  When you create the redirect, the original page still exists, but only as a redirect for those other pages that still use the links.  The FAQ can be updated to include only the new page created.  Eventually, when you find all pages that link to the old page, you can update those pages with the new page, and when there are no more links, delete the old page (if you don't care about the history).

So, create a new page.  Add your content.  Add the link to get the page on the FAQ, if desired.  Edit the old page and add the redirect syntax.

You can see the list of redirects, by going to the Wiki Special Pages, and searching for Redirects.  It takes you here:

   http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php?title=Special:ListRedirects&limit=500&offset=0 (http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php?title=Special:ListRedirects&limit=500&offset=0)

The syntax for a redirect looks like this:

   #REDIRECT [[Talk:Expression Language]]

This was for the last redirect shown on the Redirects page.

The bad thing about Redirects is you lose the history in the new page.  If course it is there in the old (redirected page).
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: jmone on January 23, 2014, 02:55:56 pm
Thanks for the patience and advice!  Over the years I just "snuck" content in on existing pages!
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: fitbrit on January 23, 2014, 04:06:51 pm
OK - think I've got that (weird but anyway).....

Think of it like how MC's Rename, Move & Copy works when 'renaming' the folder a media file is in. :)
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: jmone on January 23, 2014, 06:49:45 pm
OK - Did a first pass edit, move, create, update links on the Wiki for the pages starting with "Video...."  More to do
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: jmone on January 23, 2014, 08:15:55 pm
Trolling the old forums for potential topics to add to the wiki
- Video to Audio conversion http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=80684.0 & Video Conversion in General
Added a new wiki on Convert Format in general - http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Convert_Format

Quote
- 3D BD - http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=81259.0
- BD (Forced Subs) - add words (lots of threads)
- BD (Menus / Title Selection) - add words
Added some words to - http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Blu-ray

Feel free to edit away my mistakes, errors, and omissions!
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: mwillems on January 23, 2014, 10:16:05 pm
Can I suggest some candidates for Wiki additions (I don't currently have access to edit, I don't think)?

Specifically, I think we get about a query a week concerning how something in DSP studio functions.  I wrote a long post that covered most of the PEQ filters here: http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=85606.msg584954#msg584954

It's not perfect or exhaustive, but I think it would be more helpful on the wiki than the current parametric EQ page (which just links to a long thread about a specific PEQ application)  http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Parametric_Equalizer

There are a few other issue areas like that (i.e. areas with recurring questions, etc.) that I can think of that could be wikified, but DSP is the one I see over and over.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: jmone on January 23, 2014, 10:29:52 pm
I'll dump the main part of the post into the Wiki and add some basic headings but I have no idea on the subject itself.  When you go to the Wiki page do you see "Edit" in one of the top tabs?
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: jmone on January 23, 2014, 10:47:17 pm
I'll dump the main part of the post into the Wiki and add some basic headings but I have no idea on the subject itself.  When you go to the Wiki page do you see "Edit" in one of the top tabs?

Ok, Finished - let me know what needs changing if you can not edit it yourself.  Also it needs an introduction!

I also like the idea that if I have to answer the same thing more than a couple of times, it should be in the Wiki!
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on January 24, 2014, 12:33:47 am
Can someone from JRiver confirm if the ParserFunctions extension (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ParserFunctions) is installed on the Wiki? I looked at the version page, but if that's it listed under extensions, it doesn't look how I expected (though you are running the older 1.15.5 version, so maybe it is different).

It is very useful for templates, including some of the "base" Wikipedia templates, and I'd like to import some of those (turn on ambox and some basic templates).

If not, it is included in Debian's mediawiki-extensions-base (http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/mediawiki-extensions-base) so it should be pretty simple to install.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: MrC on January 24, 2014, 01:24:49 am
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Special:Version (http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Special:Version)
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: mwillems on January 24, 2014, 07:39:40 am
Ok, Finished - let me know what needs changing if you can not edit it yourself.  Also it needs an introduction!

I also like the idea that if I have to answer the same thing more than a couple of times, it should be in the Wiki!

That looks great jmone, thanks for that.  There's a blank header for "overview of video capabilities"?  Is that where the intro will go? If it's for an intro, something like this would probably work:

"JRiver's DSP Studio includes a powerful and flexible parametric equalizer (PEQ) that can be configured with any number of sequential filters.  PEQ can be used for simple tasks like equalization and channel routing, and for advanced tasks like creating a crossover for active speakers or doing advanced bass routing.  Below are explanations of how several of the most commonly used PEQ filters work (for some additional detail on some potential uses of PEQ see the wiki article on channel mixing http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Mixing)." 

I don't see "edit" at the top, unfortunately, which is why I thought I probably couldn't make changes to the wiki.  Thanks again for transcribing it  ;D
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on January 24, 2014, 08:29:52 am
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Special:Version (http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Special:Version)

As I mentioned, I saw that.

But, I have some experience setting up my own Wikis, and the indication there doesn't look anything like what I'm used to seeing for the ParserFunctions extension.

Look at the one on mediawiki.org:
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Version

It explicitly lists ParserFunctions (written like that, not what could be the more generic "parser functions"), lists a version number, and the author of the extension.  The info on JRiver's wiki isn't like that at all.

It could be just differences between current mediawiki implementations and older versions.  I used to run a 1.15.x wiki, but it was a long time ago, and I don't remember how it is "supposed to look".

I could, I suppose, just test some templates.  But I didn't have time to do it if it wasn't going to work, because it is a huge PITA.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on January 24, 2014, 08:32:09 am
I don't see "edit" at the top, unfortunately, which is why I thought I probably couldn't make changes to the wiki.  Thanks again for transcribing it  ;D

You have to log in first.  If you don't have an account, just ask.  They have it closed otherwise because SPAMITY SPAM SPAM.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on January 24, 2014, 08:34:38 am
Ok, Finished - let me know what needs changing if you can not edit it yourself.  Also it needs an introduction!

I also like the idea that if I have to answer the same thing more than a couple of times, it should be in the Wiki!

Does anyone have any issue with me going through some of these and "formatting" things?

I'm going to make some templates (after I import the base ones I want) that do things like:

* Automatically color and format things like Tools > Options > Tree & View > Advanced.
* Uses nicer code blocks
* Format option names, button labels, and stuff like that.

And, for the stuff you added, Nathan, I'm probably going to go through and break things out into a few ordered lists (numbered steps).
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: mwillems on January 24, 2014, 08:37:33 am
You have to log in first.  If you don't have an account, just ask.  They have it closed otherwise because SPAMITY SPAM SPAM.

I'm assuming you mean something other than my forum account?  Cause I'm obviously logged in over here.  Who do I ask and for what?
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on January 24, 2014, 08:45:22 am
I'm assuming you mean something other than my forum account?  Cause I'm obviously logged in over here.  Who do I ask and for what?

Yeah, wiki accounts are separate.

Message JimH or Bob.  They might see this thread, but it'd be quicker to PM them.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: CountryBumkin on January 24, 2014, 11:56:38 am
Added a new wiki on Convert Format in general - http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Convert_Format
Added some words to - http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Blu-ray

Feel free to edit away my mistakes, errors, and omissions!

Fom Wiki:
However, to decode DTS-HD you need to copy the "dtsdecoderdll.dll" from an installation of Arcsoft TMT installation

This advice/wiki is not new - but is it okay to tell members to copy a piece of the TMT program (of course no one is telling the member "not to purchase" TMT to get it)? Would Arcsoft mind if they read the Wiki? If Arcosoft might mind, perhaps the instruction to copy the dll is better if it just comes from one member responding to another member's question. If there was any concern over the legality of this instruction you could leave out the part about where to get the file.

Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on January 24, 2014, 01:20:01 pm
but is it okay to tell members to copy a piece of the TMT program (of course no one is telling the member "not to purchase" TMT to get it)? Would Arcsoft mind if they read the Wiki?

I can't imagine why.  We're just telling them to buy a copy, which is free advertisement.  Even if they did have a problem with it, there's nothing they could do about it, as long as we're not encouraging anyone to do anything illegal (which we're not, so long as we don't link to or provide illicit copies).

Once you own it, you're free to use it as you see fit.  If they didn't like that, then they could engineer their component differently.  It is open to outside use on purpose.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on January 24, 2014, 01:20:18 pm
Can someone from JRiver confirm if the ParserFunctions extension (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ParserFunctions) is installed on the Wiki? I looked at the version page, but if that's it listed under extensions, it doesn't look how I expected (though you are running the older 1.15.5 version, so maybe it is different).

Bump.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: MrC on January 24, 2014, 01:27:25 pm
As I mentioned, I saw that.

But, I have some experience setting up my own Wikis, and the indication there doesn't look anything like what I'm used to seeing for the ParserFunctions extension.

Look at the one on mediawiki.org:
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Version

It explicitly lists ParserFunctions (written like that, not what could be the more generic "parser functions"), lists a version number, and the author of the extension.  The info on JRiver's wiki isn't like that at all.

It could be just differences between current mediawiki implementations and older versions.  I used to run a 1.15.x wiki, but it was a long time ago, and I don't remember how it is "supposed to look".

I could, I suppose, just test some templates.  But I didn't have time to do it if it wasn't going to work, because it is a huge PITA.

Sorry, I didn't catch that you'd reviewed the special page when I read / replied on the tablet last night.  JRiver's version is ancient, the version being release in June 10, 2009, so I suspect the Special Pages format will be different.  I've forgotten who, but someone at JRiver mentioned they run a very sparse/lean wiki, to mitigate security and maintenance issues.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on January 24, 2014, 01:38:20 pm
Yeah, it's running on Debian Squeeze (or maybe Wheezy and the mediawiki release still references squeeze).  The 1.15.5 version is the "stable" version in debian's apt-get package system.  It is quite easy to deploy (basically, sudo apt-get install mediawiki, done), and is stable and easy to update.

So, I get why they're running the old one.  No biggie.

I just wasn't sure if that was a listing of the actual plugin, or if that's a listing of what parser functions (generic) are supported on this particular wiki.  If I could get my old G4 to boot up, I think I still have a 1.15.x mediawiki instance on that box, which had ParserFunctions installed, so I could just look myself.  But, I'm too busy today.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: jmone on January 24, 2014, 02:45:51 pm
That looks great jmone, thanks for that.  There's a blank header for "overview of video capabilities"?  Is that where the intro will go? If it's for an intro, something like this would probably work:

"JRiver's DSP Studio includes a powerful and flexible parametric equalizer (PEQ) that can be configured with any number of sequential filters.  PEQ can be used for simple tasks like equalization and channel routing, and for advanced tasks like creating a crossover for active speakers or doing advanced bass routing.  Below are explanations of how several of the most commonly used PEQ filters work (for some additional detail on some potential uses of PEQ see the wiki article on channel mixing http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Mixing)." 


Done
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: jmone on January 24, 2014, 02:47:45 pm
Does anyone have any issue with me going through some of these and "formatting" things?

I'm going to make some templates (after I import the base ones I want) that do things like:

* Automatically color and format things like Tools > Options > Tree & View > Advanced.
* Uses nicer code blocks
* Format option names, button labels, and stuff like that.

And, for the stuff you added, Nathan, I'm probably going to go through and break things out into a few ordered lists (numbered steps).

Works for me.  My formatting attempt is just a cut and paste from other articles.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on March 23, 2014, 01:12:48 pm
I did this:
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Users

If someone could get me some details on how Gizmo deal with Users, and screenshots, I'll add them.  I don't have a Gizmo device so I can't help there.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on March 23, 2014, 09:08:59 pm
Also worked on:
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Import
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: InflatableMouse on March 24, 2014, 02:15:15 am
Minor typo I think, on the Users page under security and scope:

Quote
So, users can still all of the source media files via Windows Explorer.

I think that's missing something between "still" and "all". :P
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: astromo on March 24, 2014, 04:54:17 am
glynor, I'll give Import and Users a read and report back.

While you're inspired, one improvement to consider for the Wiki FAQ page is to add an entry under "T" to read:

If a link could be provided to:
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Media_Center_Troubleshooting_Guide (http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Media_Center_Troubleshooting_Guide)
it would address the annoying experience I had of looking under the "T"s for the troubleshooting guide and eventually finding it filed under the "M"s.

I know now but a new user will probably follow the same intuitive behaviour as myself and feel frustrated.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on March 24, 2014, 06:16:07 am
Also worked on:
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Import

This isn't done.  I only made it as far as the Configuring Auto-Import section, which was already there with those screenshots.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on March 24, 2014, 06:17:57 am
glynor, I'll give Import and Users a read and report back.

While you're inspired, one improvement to consider for the Wiki FAQ page is to add an entry under "T" to read:
  • Troubleshooting Guide

Done.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on March 24, 2014, 06:21:27 am
I think that's missing something between "still" and "all". :P

Fixed.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on March 24, 2014, 04:48:51 pm
I added to and further updated the Imports page, listed above.  This includes a new page for Auto-Import, which I've only just started:
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Auto-Import

I was working on that and got a bit side-tracked, though, and also worked on:
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/View_Modes
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Standard_View
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Action_Window

And a few other sections.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on April 09, 2014, 11:04:02 am
Nathan, I took a crack at cleaning up the Blu-Ray page last night:
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Blu-ray

Can you take a look and make sure I didn't make it full of lies?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: InflatableMouse on April 09, 2014, 12:15:00 pm
Glynor,

Can you have a look at https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Nvidia

Just an example page, but their wiki makes me jealous. Is it certain addons/plugins or is just formatting? Can we do all that on our pages too?

When I read their wiki pages, I wonder if it was all handmade or whether they have some WYSIWYG editor, mark some text and make it a tip or note or something.

For instance, near the end there is this warning "This article or section is out of date.", with note describing why and link to discuss it. Can we do stuff like that?

I'd like to do more on the wiki, work on some Linux articles for instance but having to do all that manually makes me depressed.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: Hendrik on April 09, 2014, 12:19:05 pm
Some more pre-defined markups might be useful, like those tip, note and warning blocks.
Wiki is usually not big on WYSIWYG (although its possible), but from the source of that page a tip is just {{tip|This is a Tip!}} .. so not too much formatting anyway.

Don't ask me how to get that functioning in a Wiki though. Its what mediawiki calls "templates", if that helps bob to figure it out. ;)
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on April 09, 2014, 12:24:43 pm
I've been working with Bob on some of that already.  That's why he upgraded to Wheezy last week, leading to the broken redirects that caused all the trouble that day, for example.

I need ParserFuctions, Bob.  I'll send you some stuff...
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: InflatableMouse on April 09, 2014, 12:28:57 pm
Cool so it won't be too long then until we can start to do some cool stuff  8).

Thanks guys!
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on April 09, 2014, 12:45:17 pm
For the record, I've already added some useful Templates to the JRiver Wiki (fairly recently).  For example:  Template:Deprecated (http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Template:Deprecated)

This is used on all of the pages in the Archived FAQs category (http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Category:Archived_FAQs) (or most of them anyway).

Basically, a Template (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Templates) is just a page on the Wiki.  Any page can be used as a template, but best practices is to put them in the Templates namespace (http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php?title=Special%3AAllPages&from=&to=&namespace=10).

What makes Templates useful is that you can transclude the information from a Template page into any other page using the following notation:
{{Template Name}}

When you do so, that text is replaced (transcluded) with the content from the template page.  But, the beauty is that this happens automatically when the page is viewed, so that later on, if you want to make a change, you just change the Template page and all the pages that use that template automatically "see" the changes.  Pretty much any cool formatting you see on places like Wikipedia and Wikia are the result of Templates, custom CSS, and MediaWiki Extensions.

JRiver, for good reason, isn't very keen on installing a whole pile of (possibly buggy) third-party extensions, each of which need to be individually maintained and updated (and checked to make sure they work with the version of the wiki you're using).  But... I need, at least, ParserFunctions.  The vast majority of the cool stuff you can do, like Template:Ambox (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Ambox), for example, require ParserFunctions (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ParserFunctions) (which is now included in MediaWiki by default, just not turned on).

ParserFunctions basically expands the number of "magic words" in the Wiki software to give you things like:
#if
#switch
#expr
And, with the right switch activated in the config, also provides StringFunctions (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:StringFunctions).

Without these, you can't import basically any useful templates from places like MediaWiki.org or Wikipedia.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on April 09, 2014, 12:58:41 pm
By the way, if we were on a more modern version of MediaWiki (I'm not complaining, 1.19 in Wheezy is a massive improvement over the oldschool 1.15 we were on before), then I'd be asking for Scribunto (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Scribunto) in addition to ParserFunctions.

I'd much, much, much rather write this kind of stuff in Lua than the weird ParserFunctions language that I don't really know.  But Scribunto requires 1.20 and we're on 1.19 (the default with Debian Wheezy).

More and more the Templates used heavily on Wikipedia, MediaWiki.org, and Wikia are Scribunto-hosted Lua.

But, with ParserFunctions alone, I can still build us some cool stuff.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: Hendrik on April 09, 2014, 01:43:46 pm
I never understood why you would install a web application through distribution repositories. I don't like the whole distribution concept as it is, because it limits you to some arbitrary decision some guy working on Debian did, and PHP webapps are pretty much stand-alone, so why bother dealing with that mess.

Maybe it makes remembering to update it easier *shrug*

Maybe I'm just biased towards web things since before JRiver I worked in web, and there we would only get the base infrastructure from the distribution (ie. apache and php), everything else we liked to control ourselves.
Only by having control, I can say for sure what works and what doesn't. ;)
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: InflatableMouse on April 09, 2014, 01:48:03 pm
Exactly.

Running Mediawiki from "source" changes nothing compared to running it from the official repo's.

This is how I ran mediawiki on my homeserver (debian wheezy too, netinstall).
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on April 09, 2014, 01:50:22 pm
Maybe it makes remembering to update it easier *shrug*

I think that's the deal...

Code: [Select]
sudo apt-get update&&sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: jmone on April 09, 2014, 07:17:41 pm
Nathan, I took a crack at cleaning up the Blu-Ray page last night:
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Blu-ray

Can you take a look and make sure I didn't make it full of lies?

Thanks.

Looks good! (made a few minor changes and additions).  I also added a "Getting Coverart, Movie / TV Information and Managing Discs with multiple parts" and referenced some stuff but I'm sure there is more to go into this part.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on April 09, 2014, 07:36:38 pm
I also added a "Getting Coverart, Movie / TV Information."

I think this might make more sense in the Automatic Metadata Lookup page (http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Automatic_Metadata_Lookup), which needs done anyway.  Which I might change to a different name... Does that feature really have a name?  Get Movie & TV Info is good as a menu choice, but a bit... Odd for a name.

Anyway, I didn't want that to become a dumping ground for everything that might have anything to do with Blu-Ray, but more of a concise guide to getting it working (a new user page).
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: jmone on April 09, 2014, 07:39:08 pm
I agree - I was just trying to make a link from the Process of Ripping the content to the parts in the Wiki on how to manage it (if that makes sense).  Feel free to delete, mod, change etc etc.

Also do you mind making a page from your template for "AVCHD" and I'll pop some stuff in that about these disk structures and playback

Thanks
Nathan
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on April 09, 2014, 07:49:09 pm
Also do you mind making a page from your template for "AVCHD" and I'll pop some stuff in that about these disk structures and playback

I'll take a look, but not till later.  Hey, by the way, this...

Code: [Select]
Music Video Tracks on a single Blu Ray disk using [http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Particles Particles]
Should be this:

Code: [Select]
Music Video Tracks on a single Blu Ray disk using [[Particles]].
When you link to an internal page within the same Wiki, you can just surround the page name with double-brackets (or use the Internal Link doohicky).  That's why it is best not to use page names and section names like this, by the way, because they're ugly and never useful as a direct link.  The single-bracket style of links are external links, and they have some additional limitations (not really relevant here) over internal links.  Much like with external links, you can change what the link "text" reads like this:

Code: [Select]
[[Particles|teh awesome]]
(The link text comes afterwards, just like an internal link, but they're separated by a pipe instead of whitespace.)

One thing using Internal links instead of external links provides is that they'll show up properly in the What Links Here for the page (http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Special:WhatLinksHere/Particles) (and the other tools like this (http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Special:DeadendPages) on the Special page (http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Special:SpecialPages)).
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: jmone on April 09, 2014, 07:52:20 pm
Ok - I've stuffed up other ones at the bottom as well then!
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: astromo on April 09, 2014, 08:55:33 pm
I think this might make more sense in the Automatic Metadata Lookup page (http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Automatic_Metadata_Lookup), which needs done anyway.  Which I might change to a different name... Does that feature really have a name?  Get Movie & TV Info is good as a menu choice, but a bit... Odd for a name.

Anyway, I didn't want that to become a dumping ground for everything that might have anything to do with Blu-Ray, but more of a concise guide to getting it working (a new user page).

For what it's worth, I tend to use the cues provided by MC when searching the Wiki FAQ page, so personally what's intuitive to me is to look for the term "Get Movie & TV Info" in the list. I agree that "Automatic Metadata Lookup" is technically specific and covers a broader subject area but it's not what I'm conditioned to think of when using the software. Does that make sense?

Along the same line, what's the thinking behind "File Properties" - see pic? This entry is currently under "T" because it relates to tagging. I'd recommend relocating it to sit in the "F" section.

BTW - I have sent an email requesting Wiki update access but no answer as yet. I can understand that it also makes sense to limit the amount of fingers poking around, so I'm not hassling. It would be easy to work at cross purposes some times.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on April 09, 2014, 09:20:02 pm
Those alphabetical listings in the Category pages are automatically generated.  I'm guessing it was because of the bad page name.  I'm guessing the Category generation thing didn't like the parenthesis.  Not sure.  Anyhow, I fixed it.  I moved it to Tags, because that's what they are, but I also made a Redirect called File Properties, which is also in the FAQ category, so it'll show up in that list if someone looks explicitly.

Page names in the Wiki should really be as simple as is possible.  The idea is to use simple phrases that people might search for, and then to handle alternates with #REDIRECTS.  When you search on a Wiki, and you get an exact match, it takes you directly to the page (like an I'm Feeling Lucky search).  And, the Wiki software is designed for page names to be used inline.

It makes linking within articles much easier.  After I'm done writing a section, I scan through looking for keywords.  The idea is that you can just look for keywords that should be linked, and the relevant page should probably already have that name (or a redirect for different versions of the same thing).  That's why the Wikipedia China page is called: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China

You can scan through other pages easily, highlight the word China, and hit the Internal Link button, and it Just Works.  So, the main page is called China, but if you visit:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Republic_of_China
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRC
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pr_of_c
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=State_of_China
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zhonghua_Renmin_Gonghe_Guo

They all redirect to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China (on the English language version, anyway).

Make sense?

By the way, I'm not trying to be a rules lawyer about it or anything... Just trying to teach people, because it works better if understand some basics (and it makes for less cleanup later).

Ok - I've stuffed up other ones at the bottom as well then!

I'd already cleaned up a ton on that page (including the two in your new paragraph before I posted about it).  As I said, no big deal.  It wasn't just you... The JRiver Wiki is littered with them.  And badly named pages, and orphaned sections, and... Sigh.  There's a bunch of good content in there, though almost all of it is outdated in some way, but it is scattered all over the place.  There are many, many pages about the same things (duplicates of duplicates of duplicates of content, with different names, in various stages of outdatedness).

But, I feel like I've made a little dent lately.

I'm also trying to make the beginnings of a Category hierarchy (http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Category:Contents).  That's a long road, and I think it only really stands a chance if the base categories stay limited in number and very broad.  Sweeping sections (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Fundamental_categories), not detail.  For example, I've made a top-level Category for View Modes (http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Category:Contents), but not for Theater View (which is a View Mode).  If Theater View has a bunch of its own sub-pages, then it can be a category too (like I have for Standard View), that is a subcategory of View Modes.  You know?

Ideas here would be welcome.

Be careful with Categories, though.  Without a Category management extension they are incredibly difficult to change later.  Because they are "created by" making a link on a page, to "delete" or "rename" one, you have to edit the link on every single individual page in the Category.

For example, Mark_h made this really nice series of pages with real-world examples of Smartlist Searches.  But he called the Category:

Category: Smartlist:Examples:Audio

That's not how Category hierarchies work... You couldn't click on Smartlist to be taken to stuff about Smartlists with them colon-separated like that.  The "name" of the Category was "Smartlist:Examples:Audio".  And he had Smartlist:Examples:Image and I think even a Smartlist:Examples:Video, but the vast majority were all in the Audio section (one of the other two was completely blank, and the other had like two items, one of which was duplicated in the Audio Category).  So, that's not how that works...  I restructured it like:

Contents >
     Search >
          Search Examples


(Traditionally, the Category structure is rooted in Category:Contents (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Contents).  I don't know why, or the history, but I'm sure you could look it up on a wiki somewhere.)

If we get enough to break up Search Examples into subcategories, then it makes sense to break it up.  But otherwise it is best to keep them together.  Where that line falls is, of course, personal opinion.  I'm just trying to make less mess.

One of the things I want ParserFunctions for is to import Template:Disambiguation (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template:Disambiguation).  The first place I want to use it is on: http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Views.  Right now that redirects to View Modes, but MC has so many different things called Views.  One of my long term goals is to restructure and update that stuff.

The rough game plan I've been using for that is:

* View and Views: Disambiguation page.
* View Modes: The "big" UI modes -- Standard View, Theater View, Display View, Mini View, Cover View
* Media Views: The base concept of a "view" in Media Center, whether used in Standard, Theater, or Media Network.  Then, that page would be linked to sub-pages with:
** Standard Media Views
** Theater Media Views
** Network Media Views

I've started, the very basics of this, when I reworked the (top of) the Tree (http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Tree) page as part of my Standard View (http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Standard_View) little editing spurt.

I don't know... There's a bunch of old stuff about this from a variety of eras, but they all refer to "old namings" (MC12 era View Schemes (http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/View_Schemes)), with Blue Steel or even older screenshots.

Blah blah blah...  I'm rambling.

I'm thinking about starting up the beginnings of a Style Guide, and linking it here:
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Help_the_JRiver_Wiki
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on April 09, 2014, 10:07:49 pm
Oh yeah, and I wouldn't bother doing this right now, because it is going to be a pain in the butt to edit later, but you might notice that on my pages I've been trying to follow a coloring scheme for Menu selection hierarchies like Tools > Options > Audio > Audio Devices or whatever.

I've documented this here (http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/User:Glynor#Span_Styles), but... If you're editing, I wouldn't bother much right now.  I want to make a template that does this, where you can provide parameters like:

{{Menu Flow|Style=MC|Tools|Options|Audio|Audio Devices}}

That way, we can alter that style later (with different coloring or fancy arrows between instead of right angle brackets, or whatever) and it makes them all uniform.  Makes technical reading (and writing) much easier if there is a consistent style.

Doing this to completion on JRiver's wiki (perhaps without them having an employee who is tasked with maintaining it as a, more primary, function of their job) is a fools errand.  I don't have the time to police and fix it as people help, and everyone won't know how to use the system, even if we appropriately document that (which is documentation for the documentation and you're getting deep into crazy-pants and never-gonna-happen territory)... But if we can get the most important and highest profile sections into shape, then I think it would make it much easier to use, and it would feel much more consistent, even if there was still a big "heap pile" in the FAQ as there is now.

But, alas, I need ParserFunctions.

Which I didn't remember to message Bob about.  Doing that now.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: astromo on April 09, 2014, 10:17:02 pm
Make sense?

.. Yep ..

But, I feel like I've made a little dent lately.

Give yourself the understatement prize of the month (maybe year). You've been putting in some really solid work that's easy to digest as a reader. Thanks from me, at least.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: astromo on April 10, 2014, 03:50:06 am
Those alphabetical listings in the Category pages are automatically generated.  I'm guessing it was because of the bad page name.  I'm guessing the Category generation thing didn't like the parenthesis.  Not sure.  Anyhow, I fixed it.  I moved it to Tags, because that's what they are, but I also made a Redirect called File Properties, which is also in the FAQ category, so it'll show up in that list if someone looks explicitly.

Nice and looks pro to boot.

I think your vision for the Wiki future is sound and positive. Happy to help how I can.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on April 11, 2014, 09:32:48 am
Thanks, bob (http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Special:Version)!!!

http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Template:Ambox
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Template:Cquote
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Template:Disambig
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Template:Infobox

Some of them (like Infobox) still need a bit of CSS Work, and I need to go through and clean up my mess.  But... They're in there now!!
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: InflatableMouse on April 11, 2014, 09:44:39 am
Awesome!

What do you think about a warning (like the info box but with a reddish background for instance)?

I'm fond of the "This article or section is out of date." one on Arch wiki too because you can insert it for a section with a reason, directly link to the Talk page to discuss it, without having to immediately correct the page. But users will be warned. I suppose it also helps with keeping it up2date, as it becomes obvious which parts need updating.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on April 11, 2014, 10:07:16 am
I already have a Template:Outdated (http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Template:Outdated).  Needed some of these to then update that one and make it nicer.

Generally, though, I do think that Ambox should be used sparingly.  For example, I'm a much bigger fan of Wikipedia's style of Template:Stub (http://Wikipedia's style of Template:Stub) than most of the others out there that use Ambox.  Wikipedia has really been dialing back the use of Ambox over the past couple of years, and I think it has been an improvement (from the old days when you'd see tons of articles where you couldn't even see article text at all when you loaded the page because of a "stack" of graphical boxes on top).

But in any case, I agree that Template:Outdated and Template:Deprecated (http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Template:Deprecated) are both places where a nice Ambox makes sense.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on April 11, 2014, 10:08:18 am
Still needs more work, though.  Gotta clean up a bunch of CSS, and figure out how to fix the header colors on Template:Infobox.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: InflatableMouse on April 11, 2014, 10:15:23 am
Sounds good Ed.

Thanks a bunch for doing all this! I hope it will motivate some more people to work on wiki pages. I have a few that I'd like to work on myself, this will be a godsent.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: jmone on April 13, 2014, 01:07:09 am
Thanks Ed - I'm in awe (stuggle with bbc codes for formatting)  ;D  My approach to the wiki over the years has been to just edit in place or copy/pasta stuff then change it.  Getting the template stuff going for knobs like me would be great.

Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on April 13, 2014, 12:40:07 pm
No problem (well, a bit of one, but it is fine).

I am taking a break for today, though, as I was tweaking one of my utilities (http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=81514.msg608383#msg608383) and now I'm going to (try to figure out how to) clean up my own website crap.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on April 17, 2014, 12:15:39 am
I made:
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Exclusive_access

And cleaned up a bit more in:
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Audio_Output_Modes
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/WASAPI

To do:
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Output_Format
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Bitstreaming
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Maximize_device_volume
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/ASIO
and basically all the rest of these:
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/DSP
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: jmone on April 17, 2014, 12:20:29 am
Good work Ed - I'm off on a 10 Day Family Holiday now so will check it out when back.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on April 17, 2014, 12:11:15 pm
If anyone has the time, a bunch of the Licensing related pages could use a once-over.  I made a category that collects them all.
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Category:Licensing

A bunch of redundant information.  I'd suggest consolidating some of it here:
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/License

Dunno if I'll have time.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: InflatableMouse on April 21, 2014, 04:12:18 am
As much as I'd like, I'm afraid doing the License stuff is not something I feel I should be doing.

I have been busy however. I started working on a Linux Guide, currently sitting in my scratch page (http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/InflatableMouse-temp) and far from done. I also created a couple of templates and I'd like to know whether we can use them. They create a floating box for related articles. To see it in action:
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/InflatableMouse-Related_Articles_Example

This template is responsible for its formatting. I have adjusted it with JRiver's black/blue colors:
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Template:META_Related_articles_start

Template 'Related':
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Template:Related

Start and End templates:
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Template:Related_articles_start
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Template:Related_articles_end

I did not create these but I copied them over from another wiki. There is something leftover to do though. The "Usage" part uses Template:Bc. I didn't want to copy that over as well because we have our own quote and info boxes but it also cascades into referencing a whole bunch of other templates which I then also would have to copy. We just need to fix the Usage part but I've not had much luck with that - I'm not sure how that works exactly.

So, what do you think? Can we use this?



Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: InflatableMouse on April 24, 2014, 10:27:51 am
I was hoping for a little more enthusiasm for the templates  ?
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: jmone on April 24, 2014, 04:17:19 pm
I'm keen but just got back from a Hiking trip with the Family so I'll try to see how it all works this weekend :)
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on April 24, 2014, 06:48:19 pm
I was hoping for a little more enthusiasm for the templates  ?

Just been busy here.  And tired.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: jmone on April 25, 2014, 05:34:47 am
OK - call me clueless.  How do I use these templates to create a new "AVCHD" entry?
Thanks
Clueless
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: InflatableMouse on April 25, 2014, 06:55:36 am
OK - call me clueless.  How do I use these templates to create a new "AVCHD" entry?
Thanks
Clueless

Dear Clueless,

I'm not sure I understand what you mean.

Templates don't create new entries. Assuming an entry in this case means a new page on the wiki (or topic), the easiest way is to search for the pagename-to-be (AVCHD I suppose, in your case) and click the link that says "Create the page "AVCHD" on this wiki!"

Just been busy here.  And tired.

Didn't mean to sound impatient or anything, when I get enthusiastic I turn into a little boy. A gentle pat on the head will keep me quiet. For now.  :-*
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on April 25, 2014, 11:11:05 am
Assuming an entry in this case means a new page on the wiki (or topic), the easiest way is to search for the pagename-to-be (AVCHD I suppose, in your case) and click the link that says "Create the page "AVCHD" on this wiki!"

That's one way.  Unfortunately, when you create a page that way, the only way to find it will be to search for it again, which is generally bad practice.

The "right" way, since all Wiki articles should be linked to another article on the Wiki (orphaned pages are bad because you can't find them other than by search), is to simply select the text on another page where you want to make the link, and do this:

(http://glynor.com/img/screenshots/other/MediaWiki-Internal_Link.png)
Surround the text of the page title you'd like to use in double-square brackets to make an Internal Link.

Which, when you save it, creates a "Red Link" (an internal link on the Wiki to a page that doesn't yet exist):

(http://glynor.com/img/screenshots/other/MediaWiki-RedLink.png)

Then, you can click on it to make the page, and it is not an orphaned page.  Good practice on any Wiki is to avoid Orphans.  See also:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Orphan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Linking
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Article_titles
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: InflatableMouse on April 25, 2014, 11:17:05 am
Thanks, I didn't know that, obviously :).

I gotta ask. Until now if I created a new page, I added

[[Category: Frequently Asked Questions|MadVR Guide]]

for example. This makes it appear on the main topic index, but its not linked from another page as you describe.

Is that good, or should I be doing it as you described?
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: MrC on April 25, 2014, 11:41:48 am
FYI - link placed around AVCHD shown in the page fragment image above is a page from the MC 13 change logs.  I'd like to suggest we discourage the practice of modifying these historical documents, even with links, for several reasons:

  1. the page generation is entirely driven by script from a plain text file (so changes can get lost since they aren't in the "source" document)
  2. should we have to revert to using JRiver's change log documents, the changes will get lost and have to be re-integrated
  3. the pages will differ from changes logs elsewhere (Interact's; Alex B's blog: http://mc-changelog.blogspot.com/)
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: jmone on May 12, 2014, 06:26:20 am
Ahhh still Clueless on doing this "right".  If someone can create a blank AVCHD page correctly I'll fill out the stuff.
Thakns
Nathan
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: MrC on May 12, 2014, 11:23:00 am
jmone, click this link:

   http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php?title=AVCHD&action=edit&redlink=1 (http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php?title=AVCHD&action=edit&redlink=1)
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: jmone on May 12, 2014, 05:09:17 pm
Thanks MrC - all updated!
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: jmone on May 13, 2014, 07:16:03 am
...added a page for TV Tuners (http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/TV_Tuners)
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: InflatableMouse on May 13, 2014, 07:52:36 am
Looks good!
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on May 13, 2014, 08:32:02 am
Thanks, Nathan.

I lost a little steam as I'm working on something else right now, but I'll be back.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: jmone on May 16, 2014, 07:11:46 pm
...added a blurb on BDAV (http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/BDAV)
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: jmone on July 13, 2014, 06:14:32 am
FYI - I've started on the Media Network (http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Media_Network) and some of the pages it links to.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: jmone on July 13, 2014, 07:08:52 am
If anyone has any Home Networking Examples (http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Home_Networking_Examples) feel free to add to this page
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on October 20, 2014, 12:59:46 am
I did a pretty sizeable update on the Troubleshooting Guide (http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Troubleshooting_Guide).  I stripped out some stuff, and re-ordered the whole thing to make the workflow much more clear.  I might try to go through it again in a while and cut it down further as well.

I also worked on:

* http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Carnac
* http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Gatekeeper_Error_opening_Media_Center_for_Mac
* http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Library_Backup
* http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Logging
* http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Troubleshooting_Security_Software

And found some references to MC19 and changed them to MC20 (in Command Line and Users and other places).
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on February 20, 2015, 12:59:27 am
I worked on:
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Acquire_Images
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Sync_Handheld
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Handheld_Advanced_Options
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Output_Format

And a few other more minor things.  I also added this handy tutorial:

http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Screenshot
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: Hilton on February 20, 2015, 02:47:16 am
Nice one.

Don't forget about the built in Microsoft Snipping Tool, I have it pinned to the taskbar. It allows smaller snips of the screen or full screen capture and has a highlighter and pen built in.
Start > Programs > Windows Accessories > Snipping Tool

(https://p58cya.dm2301.livefilestore.com/y2pxAHibCkOucf8RRp0TxrS4BMioVNlwQa-vbb_rxu4o2eFexmLUY8FAGdqZKNEyurYJDKn563SMgQ-mphf1fj1G60PTYk5zlFI3a90Kmsgjj31NXsWyJsMrTehgyOiVkGv-b3umlTbxWhx8G6R_pG7_g/Screenshot%20tools.JPG?psid=1)


I use this a lot and save the snips directly to MS onedrive, and then use right click "share with onedrive" from one drive folder to open a share link in IExplorer.


(https://ukqqpw.dm2301.livefilestore.com/y2pDEHe5AfsQuHmiFs82B68Y-3VnEBnEzBJ7cIzoepw8YTIan3F__9ao6pFsNhGW1HzJkgp-HK9qwchLpDkAh6N6a_9Oc5hfySSIbo24sSUrs91Rn3IXn10-cSU8lYxz1QePES0BIh4MC2qcjh6vJXKdg/Screenshot%20tools-one%20drive.JPG?psid=1)

Close the share dialog box and then click view original, then "right click" copy on the image that opens.
Then paste the link into the [-img] [/img-] tags in the forum.

You can of course also use mspaint to paste the image to edit with it's drawing tools, which I did to add the arrows, before saving to onedrive, or save it from snipper and upload it into the forum.

(https://ukqqpw.dm2301.livefilestore.com/y2pqvFz7mDSPZQguZKEVPN30K_v7RF3NI37U9HmN8OKMY32hAYN80GbXRvWR81zM3HNDp6lYLIletd-9Q_unvWnqGPLMkmH95kMu6odgfWhbMrHY-Y8tkRLZmSrADwXEz7n4bKUKALsi26GC58w1IJXag/Screenshot%20tools-one%20drive-view-original.JPG?psid=1)

Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: JimH on February 20, 2015, 07:38:35 am
I worked on:
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Acquire_Images
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Sync_Handheld
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Handheld_Advanced_Options
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Output_Format

And a few other more minor things.  I also added this handy tutorial:

http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Screenshot
Thanks a lot!
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on February 20, 2015, 09:51:30 am
I also conned mwillems into working on the DSP pages.  Yay!
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: mwillems on February 20, 2015, 10:10:16 pm
I also conned mwillems into working on the DSP pages.  Yay!

I just did a first run at updating Volume Leveling (http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Volume_Leveling), and wrote a new article explaining the Dynamic Range (http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Dynamic_Range) measurements that analyze audio writes into the file tags, because the two are related (the R128 standard includes both a volume leveling method and a dynamic range analysis).  I also did a brief rewrite of the Analyze Audio (http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Analyze_Audio) article to reflect some changes in how it works, and added some detail on  Adaptive Volume  (http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Adaptive_Volume).

There's one place where I might need some technical assistance, glynor. On the Dynamic Range article, I included a crude table; it could probably stand some polishing by someone who is better at wiki'ing than me.  

More to come, and any feedback welcome.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: CountryBumkin on February 21, 2015, 07:53:38 am
While your updating the Wiki - you may want to consider changing the page the Wiki starts on when a User clicks Support>Wiki. It currently starts at "FAQ", which I find more difficult to navigate (especially when your not sure what category to look in for your setup help). I think FAQs is better for those who know what the terms are and are a little familiar with the program.

FAQ or Main Topic Index page:
Quote
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Category:Frequently_Asked_Questions


IMHO it would be better for a new user to start at the "User Manual" which has all the basic info a new user needs (like how to setup first time, what the screen areas are called, etc., and it is more logically laid out when trying to find something or troubleshoot something).

 User Manual page:
Quote
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Media_Center


Lastly, it would be perfect IMO, if the "User Manual" page also had a link right at the top to the "Main Topic Index" page. That would be a great starting point for new users gong to the Wiki for help.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on February 21, 2015, 12:54:23 pm
 
IMHO it would be better for a new user to start at the "User Manual" which has all the basic info a new user needs

The entire User Manual section is pretty much deprecated and horribly out of date.  I don't like how it is segregated from the rest of the content.  The whole Wiki is the User Manual.

I've been trying to organize the Wiki as I go into a real categories system.  The current FAQ category is all messed up because it has hit the single-page limit (and besides, dumping everything into a single category is a mess).

It isn't thorough enough to promote to the top of the Main page yet, but you can start looking at it here:
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Category:Contents

Its linked on the Main_Page labeled as "Main Categories of Topics".
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on February 21, 2015, 01:01:04 pm
There's one place where I might need some technical assistance, glynor. On the Dynamic Range article, I included a crude table; it could probably stand some polishing by someone who is better at wiki'ing than me.  

I'll take a polishing run through them in the next couple of days to tweak the formatting to match the style I've been using on the other updated articles.  The style I'm using isn't super-rigid, but I do try to loosely match Wikipedia's style (in a simple way).  Thanks.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on February 21, 2015, 01:05:10 pm
As an example... On this page:
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Volume_Leveling

The "What is Volume Leveling" section should be by itself (at least largely) not inside a section.  "Introductions" generally should be at the top of the article, not in a section.  That makes them sort to the top of the page just under the header (and before the TOC).  Like these:

http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Sync_Handheld
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Troubleshooting_Guide
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazil
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: mwillems on February 21, 2015, 04:03:51 pm
As an example... On this page:
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Volume_Leveling

The "What is Volume Leveling" section should be by itself (at least largely) not inside a section.  "Introductions" generally should be at the top of the article, not in a section.  That makes them sort to the top of the page just under the header (and before the TOC).  Like these:

http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Sync_Handheld
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Troubleshooting_Guide
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazil

Got it, I fixed that for the volume leveling and the dynamic range articles.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on February 22, 2015, 02:11:51 am
I fixed this page:

http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Library_Tools
and a whole bunch of the related pages...

I did this in preparation for making pages specifically for Rename, Move, and Copy and Fill Properties from Filename.  These are huge projects, and the information on the wiki currently is dismal for both important functions.  But, I needed some kind of structure first.

I also did a bunch of new categorization and maintenance of the FAQ page.  The FAQ page really needs to be cleaned up.  It was stuck at 200 items, which is the maximum size that a category will display in mediawiki without splitting it into multiple pages.  I've trimmed out some cruft, but it is still completely overloaded.

With this in mind, I've promoted up the new Category system I've been building to just underneath the FAQ on the Main Page.  Please DO NOT add any new categories to the base [[Category:Contents]] page without having a discussion on the Talk page first (or here).  (So the same mess doesn't happen there.)
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on February 22, 2015, 02:21:41 am
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Library_Tools
and a whole bunch of the related pages...

Speaking of which... There are two new tools in there that I don't know about much.  They're related to (I think) the brand-new ability to "link" files together.

Can someone dig the threads up for me about this so I can document it?
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: astromo on February 22, 2015, 03:11:45 am
Speaking of which... There are two new tools in there that I don't know about much.  They're related to (I think) the brand-new ability to "link" files together.

Can someone dig the threads up for me about this so I can document it?

Went to the top of the MC20 board and crossed over to "New Features". Here you go:
http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=90543.0 (http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=90543.0)
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: JimH on February 22, 2015, 07:27:34 am
Thank you, Ed.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: mwillems on February 22, 2015, 10:22:40 am
It took all morning, but I just did a major overhaul of the  Convolution (http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Convolution) page.

Feedback welcome.  Formatting help for formulas especially welcome.

It looks like we don't have a wiki page for the WDM Driver yet, so that's probably my next stop.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on February 22, 2015, 10:32:24 am
It took all morning, but I just did a major overhaul of the  Convolution (http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Convolution) page.

Feedback welcome.  Formatting help for formulas especially welcome.

It looks like we don't have a wiki page for the WDM Driver yet, so that's probably my next stop.

(http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/168/578/3ONqv.gif)
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on February 22, 2015, 12:05:09 pm
Someone who uses and understands the current situation with Netflix should take a crack at:
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Netflix

I don't.  Bump this thread when and if you do, and I'll put it on my list to give a reformatting pass.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on February 22, 2015, 04:57:53 pm
I did a whole bunch good tweaking and re-working of existing stuff, along with a few short "from whole cloth" articles that were missing:

* http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Display_View
* http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Display_Plugins
* http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Track_Info_Pages
* http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Visualizations
* http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Media_Types
* http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Burn_Disc

I started a bit on this too, though it is still pretty rough and old:
* http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Playing_Now

And I did an epic pile of additional categorization.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on February 22, 2015, 11:59:58 pm
And, I pretty much re-wrote this from scratch:

http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Smartlists

And now I'm done for tonight.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on February 23, 2015, 12:25:28 am
Feedback welcome.

I didn't do all of my eventual formatting to the Convolution article, and others, yet.  I'm planning to build a template for color highlighting, but I haven't done it yet, and I'd prefer to finish that before I do a bunch of highlights on articles that aren't mine (I'll already have an epic pile of <span> tags to clean up in my own articles).

However, I noticed one thing...

Quote
Using the Filter in JRiver

To use a single filter in JRiver, just navigate to Tools > Options > Audio > DSP Studio & Output Format > Convolution. Browse to to your filter location, select it, and make sure that the check box beside the convolution tab is checked.

For more complex configurations, JRiver can interpret standard plain-text Convolution Config Files. See these Examples for how to write one.

This particular thing I am kind-of a tightwad about, and so I'll mention it.  I have no firm confirmation that anyone from JRiver agrees, but I've tried to build my "style" based on the general standards that Jim and other JRiver staff have used with their more recent edits.  They do not always use a consistent style, but I do, especially when it comes to this particular point.

Anyway, when referring to JRiver and Media Center, I use the following rules:

* JRiver always refers to the company, not the product.  I know some people use the term "JRiver" out and about as shorthand for Media Center, but Jim-and-Company never do.  So, JRiver staff, JRiver's Interact forum, JRiver Id, are all okay.  The stuff you did above is not.
* Earlier in the article where you say "JRiver's parametric equalizer modules are Infinite Impulse Response filters that simulate conventional Minimum Phase electronic filters."?  That's a gray area, but I'd call it fine, because it refers to something they "own".
* It is always JRiver and not JRiver, JRiver, J River, or anything else.  In fact, this text is probably screwed up because the forum auto-corrects it to the preferred spellings when you post here. (EDIT: Yup, it fixed them all but the space. There were periods and stuff in there when I typed the "bad" examples.)

* When referring to Media Center, the product, you do not need to include JRiver in the text.  The whole wiki is about JRiver Media Center, and I think everyone gets the point.  Besides, it is less clumsy than the longer text and easier to read.
* The first time you refer to Media Center in a given article or section, spell it out.  Subsequent usages in the same section can use the abbreviation MC.
* When referring to Media Center in an article Title or Section Title, always spell it out and never abbreviate.
* When spelling it out, always capitalize M and C, but not the entire string (like a proper name).
* When abbreviating, always use MC and not M.C., mc, or other variations.

That's what I do.  If I come apon your article and have a bug in my rump about it, I'll fix those kinds of things, as I did to the section above.  I didn't check all of the article, or the others, but I imagine you were basically doing the same everywhere.

As I said... Just what I do.  I don't know how Jim or Matt or Hendrik or whomever feels about it.  But I think it works and it looks and reads nicely.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: mwillems on February 23, 2015, 07:43:48 am
Message received.  I was using JRiver as because it's shorter and unambiguous, but all of your points are well-taken, and I agree that consistency is the most important thing.  I'll go back through tonight and make sure I'm using the house style  ;D
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on February 23, 2015, 04:11:10 pm
Message received.  I was using JRiver as because it's shorter and unambiguous, but all of your points are well-taken, and I agree that consistency is the most important thing.  I'll go back through tonight and make sure I'm using the house style  ;D

Sweet.

By the way, I read the entire Convolution article you did there, and fantastic job.  It is a bit technically dense, but that's fine for that kind of feature, I think.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: mwillems on February 23, 2015, 05:27:26 pm
Sweet.

By the way, I read the entire Convolution article you did there, and fantastic job.  It is a bit technically dense, but that's fine for that kind of feature, I think.

Thanks glynor, I appreciate the kind words. 

It's a niche feature that requires a substantial time investment to even start using (because you have to generate the filters using 3rd party software), so density is par for the course.  I left out almost all the math and the technical definition of convolution in the interest of a "concepts and impact" presentation.  Hopefully folks will find it useful.  

I'd like to add a little more material, but one thing that would be very useful to me would be if the devs could weigh in on mattkhan's thread over here:

yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=95806

He created it at my suggestion because neither he nor I could get channel weights to work in convolution config files, and some other odds and ends related to latency and convolution partitioning.  

Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: JimH on February 23, 2015, 05:29:11 pm
Thank you both very much!
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: Arindelle on February 24, 2015, 10:08:41 am
nice work thanks
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on February 24, 2015, 10:47:05 am
Oops.  Something is broken in Wiki-land.  Can't upload new images, and the ones that are there can't generate new thumbnails.  I suspect a partition is full from the error messages.  I sent a message to Bob.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: Matt on February 24, 2015, 11:27:21 am
Oops.  Something is broken in Wiki-land.  Can't upload new images, and the ones that are there can't generate new thumbnails.  I suspect a partition is full from the error messages.  I sent a message to Bob.

Bob said it should be fixed now.  Let us know if you see otherwise.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on February 24, 2015, 11:28:16 am
Yep.  All fixed.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: Matt on February 24, 2015, 11:28:53 am
You replied in under one minute.  Wow.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on February 24, 2015, 11:31:33 am
I had already tested it and was coming back here to note that it was fixed.  ;D
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: mojave on February 25, 2015, 09:20:38 am
The JRiver Media Center Release Notes have not been updated with any MC20 builds.

http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Release_Notes (http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Release_Notes)
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: Matt on February 25, 2015, 09:27:17 am
The JRiver Media Center Release Notes have not been updated with any MC20 builds.

http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Release_Notes (http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Release_Notes)

I don't see MC20 here:
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Release_Notes
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on February 25, 2015, 09:49:04 am
I think MrC was doing those.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: Matt on February 25, 2015, 09:55:28 am
I think MrC was doing those.

Right, but mojave's note was that it had been updated.  I'm puzzled.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: mojave on February 25, 2015, 10:14:02 am
Right, but mojave's note was that it had been updated.  I'm puzzled.
I said "have not been updated." I was wanting it done. I was not saying that I had just finished doing it.  :)

The Release Notes is my Official JRiver Manual. I've never updated the wiki, but am willing to do some stuff. I tried to login but I get a login error.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: Matt on February 25, 2015, 10:53:57 am
I said "have not been updated." I was wanting it done. I was not saying that I had just finished doing it.  :)

The Release Notes is my Official JRiver Manual. I've never updated the wiki, but am willing to do some stuff. I tried to login but I get a login error.

Oh, the critical not.  I get it now.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on February 25, 2015, 11:01:47 am
Do you have a wiki account mojave?
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: mojave on February 25, 2015, 11:03:52 am
Do you have a wiki account mojave?
No. Should I send an e-mail to wiki (at) jriver dot com or do you know someone who can set me up?
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on February 25, 2015, 11:06:51 am
Check your email.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: mojave on February 25, 2015, 12:03:46 pm
I didn't see an e-mail in any of my accounts and nothing in the junk folders either. PM me, please.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on February 25, 2015, 12:12:58 pm
I used the email account you have registered on the forum.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on February 25, 2015, 01:02:36 pm
I sent another password reset for the account.  I can't verify the email address I used, unfortunately, without an extension that this wiki doesn't have installed.

Bob can directly in the user table.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: mojave on February 25, 2015, 01:08:40 pm
Thanks, I got it. Our Exchange Server had started blocking JRiver mail. I have now allowed all e-mail from JRiver.com. JRiver wasn't on any blacklist that I could find so the content filter settings must have rejected it.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on February 25, 2015, 07:36:12 pm
A little more done...

* http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Detached_Display
* http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Display_Action_Window
* http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Theater_View_Skins

I also did a bit more work on the Standard View page, though it still needs more work, and a bit more work on the Smartlists page.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on April 10, 2015, 10:18:41 pm
Finally got around to this:
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Tag_on_Import
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: Arindelle on April 11, 2015, 02:48:49 am
yes I saw that. Nice job. Better get some steaks ordered JRiver  ;)

Just saw that you did a theater view entry too. Question -- where is the store for theater Views. Need to export mine for friends. Thx
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: Matt on April 11, 2015, 07:09:02 am
Finally got around to this:
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Tag_on_Import

I especially like the "Pick on Matt for your own amusement" part.  Ha!
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on April 11, 2015, 08:20:42 am
I especially like the "Pick on Matt for your own amusement" part.  Ha!

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on April 18, 2015, 10:50:03 am
I tweaked Jim's Red October article a bit:
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Red_October

Mostly formatting and adding links.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on April 18, 2015, 04:28:31 pm
I also worked on MrC's nice, but overly technical Library Fields (http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Library_Fields) article.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on April 25, 2015, 11:12:13 pm
Bob, any way you can add this extension (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:EmbedVideo) to the JRiver wiki?  I have some screencasts that could be useful on the Wiki, and it would be a lot nicer to embed them.

I'd be using it with Vimeo.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: jmone on April 25, 2015, 11:14:33 pm
Updated the details on DTS-HD Decoding in the wiki now that MC can do this natively

http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Blu-ray#HD_Audio
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on April 25, 2015, 11:43:43 pm
Nice. Thanks Nathan.  I couldn't help myself so I tweaked it to make it a little more clear (and less verbose for the future). I separated out the "old stuff" and put it on a separate page.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on April 25, 2015, 11:59:36 pm
I even did some redirect trickery to make this nice article section show up in the Audio Category (http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Category:Audio), to make it easier to stumble upon when browsing the wiki.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: jmone on April 26, 2015, 12:35:44 am
Looks Good!  I'm glad you know what your doing with Wiki's, unfortunately my skills are limited to notepad (so I'm limited to editing stuff that already exists).
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on April 26, 2015, 12:55:25 am
Hey, no problem.  If you want to help, I made this new stub page (linked from the Blu-ray page instead of just having a link to the announcement thread):

* http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Blu-ray_Ripping

It could use some copy-pasta and re-writing from the thread (and others you know about in your BD wisdom).
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: jmone on April 26, 2015, 12:59:02 am
There is already a bit on ripping here  (http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Blu-ray#Ripping)in the Wiki - Do you want me to expand that bit or the new Stub?
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on April 26, 2015, 01:22:06 am
The new stub.  I try (and often fail) not to let articles, especially "feature" ones like that Blu-ray one, get too big or complex. Better to have them be "collections" of links to sub-articles, kinda, than have them be massive walls of text.

If it is a more advanced topic, or it is for one single procedure, then it can be all in one article, of course. It is a balancing act, but that's why I made the sub-article there.

There wasn't much in that section before but a link to the Interact thread. So, I broke it out into its own page and made a new stub, with a link back to that thread.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: jmone on April 26, 2015, 01:53:19 am
Now you tell me!  I just updated the main bit instead (with no pics as the rest of the page is without screen shots).  Have a read and move it if you want and let me know if you what me to add any screen shots.... or is it self explanitory (it is pretty staight forward to me but I've process hundreds of discs).
Thanks
Nathan
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on April 26, 2015, 01:57:03 am
I saw. Our edits were colliding a bit there. It's fine, I'll fix it tomorrow. Thanks for adding the content. That's the main thing.

If you have energy, we need the same kind of page here:
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/DVD

The DVD Library article is written more as a tutorial and less as a feature description and overview like the Blu-Ray one.  We don't have anything accurate about DVDs really in that regard.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on April 26, 2015, 01:59:08 am
Sorry. iPhone interact posting.  ;)
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on April 26, 2015, 02:02:58 am
Oh yeah, and someone who knows should fix this:
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Library_Tools#Track_Linking_Tools
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: jmone on April 26, 2015, 02:12:37 am
I saw. Our edits were colliding a bit there. It's fine, I'll fix it tomorrow. Thanks for adding the content. That's the main thing.

If you have energy, we need the same kind of page here:
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/DVD

The DVD Library article is written more as a tutorial and less as a feature description and overview like the Blu-Ray one.  We don't have anything accurate about DVDs really in that regard.

OK - I'll start with a copy/paste of the BD as a template.  I may not get to complete it till next weekend as I'm away with work a fair bit this week.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: jmone on April 26, 2015, 02:50:36 am
I need to check with Hendrik regarding DVD Navigator that MC uses.  "Most" versions of Windows comes with this standard but he commented that Win 10 may not.  Are there plans to use a different source/nav filter?
Thanks
Nathan
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: Arindelle on April 26, 2015, 03:40:01 am
Oh yeah, and someone who knows should fix this:
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Library_Tools#Track_Linking_Tools

Hi Glynor

I know my writing style is not the greatest, but maybe this would work in a pinch?


Track Linking Tools


[note: disambiguation with Links. Synonym could be used ?]
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: jmone on April 26, 2015, 06:20:26 am
Thanks!  I'll let Glynor (wiki guri) in uploading, but in general if anyone had updates let us know and we change the Wiki.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: jmone on April 26, 2015, 06:41:00 am
Glynor, The DVD stub is now updated for you to do your Wiki "thing"!
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on April 26, 2015, 08:52:55 am
I know my writing style is not the greatest, but maybe this would work in a pinch?

Thanks.  I cleaned it up a bit but mostly pasted it in.

By the way, for everyone, if you make any screenshots for anything, thanks!  However, do me a solid and make them using the default skin for MC (Noire).  Otherwise, when newbies come looking for details, they might be confused if the screen doesn't look like theirs does.

If you know about skinning, then it won't bother you, of course.  But we should try to have the screenshots match the way MC looks out of the box.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on April 26, 2015, 08:54:19 am
Glynor, The DVD stub is now updated for you to do your Wiki "thing"!

Thanks.  Neatened up:

* http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Ripping
* http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/DVD_Ripping
* http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Blu-ray_Ripping
* http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Blu-ray
* http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/DVD
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on April 26, 2015, 08:57:35 am
By the way, if anyone here is experienced with parts of MC and wants to contribute, you can.  Please see:
* http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Help_the_JRiver_Wiki

Also, if you already have an account on the Wiki and you are looking for things to clean up or help with, there are links in that article to categories of articles flagged with these "tags":

{{Outdated}}
{{Cleanup}}
{{Stub}}


If you clean up one of these articles, remove the flag from the top of the article or section to get it out of the "bad" lists.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: Arindelle on April 26, 2015, 09:12:50 am
Thanks.  I cleaned it up a bit but mostly pasted it in.

By the way, for everyone, if you make any screenshots for anything, thanks!  However, do me a solid and make them using the default skin for MC (Noire).  Otherwise, when newbies come looking for details, they might be confused if the screen doesn't look like theirs does.

If you know about skinning, then it won't bother you, of course.  But we should try to have the screenshots match the way MC looks out of the box.
ok makes sense

not sure if it needed one, was more to show if the text wasn't clear. @Glynor Do you want me to redo it? Takes me 2 secs
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on April 26, 2015, 09:18:30 am
If you feel like it, I'll add it to the wiki article.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on May 03, 2015, 12:39:23 pm
I worked on:
* http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Global_Variables
* http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Rename,_Move,_and_Copy_Files

Neither is done, but both already include good info.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: mwillems on May 03, 2015, 02:34:46 pm
Ok, I just wrote a long article on the WDM driver, including step by step instructions for creating a separate zone and zoneswitch rule:

* http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/WDM_Driver

It's substantially done, pending editorial review  ;D

Glynor, were there any other pages in my wheelhouse that you think still need some love (to add to my to-do list)?
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on May 03, 2015, 05:56:37 pm
Nice job.  I'll do some format cleanup later, but looks fantastic.

Glynor, were there any other pages in my wheelhouse that you think still need some love (to add to my to-do list)?

I'll think on it.  ;)
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on May 03, 2015, 11:46:47 pm
Glynor, were there any other pages in my wheelhouse that you think still need some love (to add to my to-do list)?

I think this might be right up your alley.

http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Zones
and the entire category:
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Category:Zones

Looking at the current Zones articles, I got inspired to make a system I'd intended to make for a while.  I made a new Merge template (http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Template:Merge) to mark little stub pages that should be expanded into decently-sized articles, or merged into their "parent" article.  This adds them to the Merge Suggested (http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Category:Merge_Suggested) category under Wiki Maintenance (http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Category:Wiki_Maintenance).  It isn't as fancy as Wikipedia's system, but it should serve our purposes well enough.  Anyway, basically everything in the Zones Category is marked with this template.

If you do merge them in, please redirect the sub pages to the parent article (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Redirects).  Replace the entire text of the page, including that {{merge}} template, with the #Redirect [[Page Name]] thing, and that will serve to also remove it from the Merge Suggested list.  If you make the merged article into a "section" of the Zones article, you can redirect the page to a specific section of a parent article as well (look at this one for an example (http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php?title=Blu-ray_HD_Audio&redirect=no)).

One of the other problems I see with it is that the Zones article, is that it focuses on the concept of Zones being for playing to separate audio devices. That's certainly one major use of Zones, but they are really "sets of settings" that have their own Playing Now lists, and it doesn't make that concept clear.  In addition to, of course, that the content is all spread around in little stub sub-pages which aren't adequately linked to the main article (and which don't, and probably never will, have enough content to warrant their own articles).

Some things in the Zones system probably do deserve their own discreet articles, like Zone Linking for example, but a bunch of those are just silly. There are a ton of other little stub pages thoughout the wiki. It seems like whomever originally added a bunch of content liked having gazillions of little stub pages.  But that makes the wiki all messy, and you can never find all of the sub-articles and keep them updated "in sync".  It is a balancing act, but having a ton of little stubs that will never develop into decently-sized articles is troublesome.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on May 04, 2015, 12:02:32 am
Also, generally (and for anyone interested in making the Wiki better), if you're browsing around the Wiki and you find an article that is outdated, or one of these little stubs, use the little collection of templates I've made.

They dump them into the categories under Wiki Maintenance (http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Category:Wiki_Maintenance), which I then use to look over articles.  I'd love just some help tagging the stuff, and building a "to do" list of sorts in that category.

The main templates are:

* {{cleanup}} (http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Template:Cleanup)
* {{stub}} (http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Template:Stub)
* {{incomplete}} (http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Template:Incomplete)
* {{outdated}} (http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Template:Outdated)
* and now {{merge}} (http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Template:Merge)

There's also:
* {{deprecated}} (http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Template:Deprecated) for articles that have a new replacement or no longer apply.

In basically all the cases, you just add the template, sometimes with some extra metadata or a reference to another article added, to the very top of the page. Look at the template pages linked above for more usage information, but they're set up to be quick and easy to add to articles as you go.  Kind of a "mark to come back and battle with this later".
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on May 06, 2015, 12:44:58 pm
Did some further work on:
* http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Standard_View
* http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Theater_View

Also made a few new articles:
* http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Toolbars
* http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Divider_Bars

And did an epic pile of categorization and "tagging" of articles.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on May 23, 2015, 11:25:11 am
I did some work on:
* http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/DSD

To clean it up and make it accurate for current versions. I don't use DSD at all, though, so I'd love some help.  Please read through and reply if there is inaccuracies in there, or important missing details.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on May 24, 2015, 12:42:32 am
I did some more work on:
* http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Rename,_Move,_and_Copy_Files

Still not done, but better.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: CountryBumkin on May 24, 2015, 06:09:45 am
You guys are doing a great job on this! I know its a lot of (volunteer) work, and your time is very much appreciated.

At some point, I suggest you change the start page - that's the page that opens when you click on the Support>Wiki link. The current page (FAQs) is helpful but you need to know a little about what your doing, how MC works, and the terms used to get started with MC.

I think the better starting point for a first time user is the "User Manual"  http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Media_Center
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on May 24, 2015, 09:49:22 am
The user manual is deprecated.  The vast majority of it hasn't been touched in 8-9 years.

I want to delete it, really (but I won't because I'm also an archivist).

I'd absolutely take it out of the left hand nav bar if I could, but Bob has to do that (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/Sidebar).
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: CountryBumkin on May 24, 2015, 10:22:28 am
I know it deprecated, as most of the Wiki is was (at least it was before you and jmone (and others) put all your recent efforts in to it). But an updated "User Manual" or "intro to MC" type page would be a nice place to start at. Think about the new guy who just installed the Trial version. But I'm sure your thinking about the new user experience and will come up with something that works.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on May 24, 2015, 10:44:52 am
Oh, gotcha.

Yeah.  There have been some improvements there.  Jim's Getting Started (http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Getting_Started) page is decent, but there is a fair bit around core functionality that is still all a wreck.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: JimH on May 24, 2015, 11:10:18 am
I'm skeptical that a manual would work well.  It would require a lot of IF statements.  Think about how many different types of users we have.

HTPC users

Audiophiles

Music collectors

Photographers

Students with laptops

Who do you aim it at?  Everyone else will feel slighted.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: mwillems on May 24, 2015, 11:53:17 am
I'm skeptical that a manual would work well.  It would require a lot of IF statements.  Think about how many different types of users we have.

HTPC users

Audiophiles

Music collectors

Photographers

Students with laptops

Who do you aim it at?  Everyone else will feel slighted.


If I were tasked with writing a manual or top page for JRiver, I would have something like Jim's getting started page, but at the bottom, I would have a tree that parallels the menu structure with links to the wiki pages documenting what all of the menu items actually do.  Providing an easily navigable set of links about the top menus and the options menu would go a long way to answering most of the questions that a new user could have, especially because some of the options are documented as part of wiki articles on other things.

So if we were aiming to create something manual-like, that would be a good basic target in my opinion, and wouldn't risk slighting anyone.  There are a significant number of menu options that aren't documented on the wiki, which is a separate issue, but the page organization I describe might call attention to which options are undocumented, which could be helpful (or not, depending on your view).  
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: blgentry on May 24, 2015, 12:28:47 pm
I did some more work on:
* http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Rename,_Move,_and_Copy_Files

Still not done, but better.

That's a nice update.  This is one of the tools that I had trouble figuring out from it's interface and I went looking for documentation (a week ago or so).  The docs didn't really tell me much more, so I started experimenting and figured out a good bit of it on my own.  The Directories area is one of the most difficult to understand (for me) so this update REALLY helps in that respect.

In my testing I didn't understand the distinction between the Base Path and the Rule, so I just used the Base Path.  Surprisingly, typing database fields into the Base Path (like [Album], [Artist], etc) work just fine and don't need to be in the Rule section.  It's almost like the Rule part is either depreciated, or more there for human reasons rather than technical ones.  Asked in the form of a question:  "Is there anything you can do in the Rule section that you can't do in the Base Path section?"

Again, good work, and thank you.

Brian.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on May 24, 2015, 01:25:12 pm
Asked in the form of a question:  "Is there anything you can do in the Rule section that you can't do in the Base Path section?"

No.  Technically I think it just concatenates the two and then runs it through the Expression parser.  It's just for ease-of-use, I think (so you can have the browse button).

I've continued to work on it today.  I hope by tonight I'll have at least the Templates section done, and if I'm super-optimistic, a little section on the Preview Panel.

Which leaves Presets... We'll see though.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on May 28, 2015, 12:15:59 am
So, I got a disease from my 4 year old, which set me back a bit, but I did some further work on:
* http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Rename,_Move,_and_Copy_Files
Including a pile of work, with useful and common examples, on:
* http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Find_and_Replace_Template

Remaining to do before it loses the {{Incomplete}} tag are:
* Preview Panel
* Extra Options (Move all files and Replace slashes)
* Presets
* And a little more work on http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Filename_Template

But, getting there!

I also threw a bit more work on:
* http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/DSD

Mostly the new section on bitstreaming DSD over DLNA (DoPE), which wasn't otherwise documented anywhere on the Wiki.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on May 30, 2015, 04:11:36 pm
Muahahaha!  {{Incomplete}} tag removed:
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Rename,_Move,_and_Copy_Files

I still would like to do more on the Filename Template sub-article, and include a little example showing how you can do things like s03e14, but it is otherwise complete.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: blgentry on May 30, 2015, 08:38:42 pm
Good job Glynor.  t reads through pretty well.  It's a really big topic, so I can really appreciate the effort that it took to finish this and do a good job.  :)

I noticed that Find & Replace has two links in the text.  One as Find & Replace and another as Find and Replace.  The pages they link to have different URLs, but the text looks very similar.  Not sure if they are different at all, but I thought I'd mention it.

Brian.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on May 30, 2015, 09:42:04 pm
Thanks!

I noticed that Find & Replace has two links in the text.  One as Find & Replace and another as Find and Replace.  The pages they link to have different URLs, but the text looks very similar.  Not sure if they are different at all, but I thought I'd mention it.

The one with the ampersand is a redirect (http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php?title=Find_%26_Replace_Template&redirect=no). That's due to the way mediawiki works. Having both pages (with one redirected to the other) allows you to enter either in the search box, and still be taken directly to the article in question.

As a "standard", I never use any article name including an ampersand or other special characters as the "real" article name. However, if they are commonly used terms on the forum, or if an ampersand or something is used in Media Center itself, then I'll add a redirect like that one.

Redirects like that are also how these pages all point to the Import article:
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Imported
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Importing
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Imports
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Import_Files

Likewise, all of these point to the Rename, Move, and Copy Files article:
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Rename,_Move,_%26_Copy_Files
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Rmcf
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Rmc_Files
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Rename_move_copy

I covered more about this earlier in this very thread:
Page names in the Wiki should really be as simple as is possible.  The idea is to use simple phrases that people might search for, and then to handle alternates with #REDIRECTS.  When you search on a Wiki, and you get an exact match, it takes you directly to the page (like an I'm Feeling Lucky search).  And, the Wiki software is designed for page names to be used inline.

It makes linking within articles much easier.  After I'm done writing a section, I scan through looking for keywords.  The idea is that you can just look for keywords that should be linked, and the relevant page should probably already have that name (or a redirect for different versions of the same thing).  That's why the Wikipedia China page is called: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China

You can scan through other pages easily, highlight the word China, and hit the Internal Link button, and it Just Works.  So, the main page is called China, but if you visit:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Republic_of_China
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRC
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pr_of_c
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=State_of_China
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zhonghua_Renmin_Gonghe_Guo

They all redirect to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China (on the English language version, anyway).
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on May 31, 2015, 01:51:24 am
Okay... A few more updates on these, and I'm calling it done for now:
* http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Filename_Template
* http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Directories_Template

I couldn't let it go without adding an ABBA example. For old-timey's sake.  ;) ;D

Huzzah!
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on May 31, 2015, 03:26:33 pm
6233638 did a nice once-over on the DSD Article (http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/DSD) and fixed some of the stuff I didn't know about. That one now looks to be in great shape. Thanks!
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on June 02, 2015, 12:09:39 am
I updated the Troubleshooting Guide (http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Troubleshooting_Guide) a little.

I also re-wrote these ones from scratch (along with the few sub-pages I kept around):
* http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Playlists
* http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Playlist_Groups
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: RoderickGI on June 02, 2015, 01:44:50 am
Muahahaha!  {{Incomplete}} tag removed:
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Rename,_Move,_and_Copy_Files

Don't be too hasty. You are not done yet!  :P  Well, the Wiki will never be done, but you missed something.

20.0.111 (5/26/2015)
1. NEW: Rename, Move, & Copy tool now supports jtv files fully, even if there are other jtv files in the same folder sharing data files.

You haven't covered this brand new functionality in your article. I have been caught out trying to move JTV files in the past, so this should be a boon for TV recordings in that format. Typically I have been trying to move one program out of a directory it is sharing with another, and it failed miserably. Even deleting one program before trying to move the other didn't work correctly, breaking the program and requiring files to be moved back for them to work again.

I haven't had a chance to test the new functionality yet, as I needed some more sample with multiple TV recordings in the same directory. I have a few now I think, so I'll try to find time to test this.

Note that JTV files may not need special mention, if RMCF now just works as users would probably expect. However using the flag, "Move all files in folder (including non-imported files)" could have a disastrous impact when moving TV recordings in JTV format, where there are multiple programs in the one directory.

The "Moving Files" article doesn't discuss JTV files either.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on June 03, 2015, 12:12:08 am
I further tweaked the Troubleshooting Guide (http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Troubleshooting_Guide) (made it shorter and tried to be clearer), and added this new sub-page:

* http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Getting_the_Latest_Build
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on June 03, 2015, 12:16:34 am
1. NEW: Rename, Move, & Copy tool now supports jtv files fully, even if there are other jtv files in the same folder sharing data files.

I have none to test with.  I really need to take the time to switch over to MC for my recording. I intend to, but have been busy with other things. And I kind of want to wait until Game of Thrones is over, because it'll really piss me off if it misses one of those.  Summertime is better time for mucking with things DVR.

Note that JTV files may not need special mention, if RMCF now just works as users would probably expect.

That's what I'd say, in any case.  A special note is probably warranted in the section on Move all Files.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on January 17, 2016, 05:24:41 pm
I gave the Library Fields article a nice once-over:
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Library_Fields
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: Arindelle on January 19, 2016, 04:10:47 am
Hey apparently people noticed that swap, unswap and groupcount are not on the "expression" page ... anyway could one of you guys put them in - I'd ask for permission, but what I write confuses people more than helps most of the time

thanks
Steve

re http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=102683.msg712367#msg712367 (http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=102683.msg712367#msg712367)
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on January 19, 2016, 08:10:45 am
Happy to. However, since you asked, can you PM me some good explanation overview links from the forum for each of those?

I know Swap() and Unswap() pretty well, but I'd like to refer to something from Matt explaining specifics when writing docs.  And I don't know the deal with GroupCount() at all.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on January 20, 2016, 02:21:31 pm
Swap() and Unswap() are done:
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Expression_Language#Swap.28.E2.80.A6.29:_Takes_Firstname_Lastname_and_swaps_to_Lastname.2C_Firstname.

I haven't done GroupCount() yet.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: blgentry on January 20, 2016, 04:02:43 pm
Each of your examples of swap() and unswap() seem backwards.  Meaning you're using unswap() where you should be using swap().  Unless I don't understand it.  I didn't think that this was correct:

unswap(Paul Simon)

Thank you for updating the docs.  :)  I'm just trying to help improve the quality.

Brian.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: dtc on January 20, 2016, 04:31:54 pm
Couple of problems, I think.

The swap() example uses an unswap example.

In the unswap description, it says swap()  In the unswap example it has a swap example.

Should be swap(Paul Simon) and unswap (Simon, Paul)

The Sammy Davis example ignores the Jr. in the result. Is that correct?
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on January 20, 2016, 05:07:07 pm
I'll check. That page is a nightmare to edit because it was originally written to be machine generated by some script MrC cooked up, and is full of crazy tables with all kinds of HTML markup. I might have did mess something up.

The Jr. part surprised me, but that is right. I tested it. If you do:
Swap(Sammy Davis Jr.)

It removes the Jr suffix, and outputs: Davis, Sammy
MrC's original RegEx() did not. It would have outputted: Davis, Sammy Jr.

I don't really know which is "right".
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on January 20, 2016, 05:11:01 pm
Ok. I fixed it, and I added a note to the Sammy Davis Jr. example that makes it more clear what it does:
Quote
Handles most common name suffixes by removing them, and results in Davis, Sammy.

One thing I wasn't sure with this, because I don't use it heavily, is do these now work for semicolon delimited lists? They didn't originally, but I think perhaps that was added...
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on January 20, 2016, 05:26:40 pm
That page is a nightmare to edit because it was originally written to be machine generated by some script MrC cooked up, and is full of crazy tables with all kinds of HTML markup.

One of these days I want to break that monolithic page up into sub-pages for each of the major functional groupings, more like the COM Automation pages:
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Media_Center_Automation

MrC liked his monolithic pages. I think because he didn't edit the wiki directly often, and used some crazy Perl scripts to allow him to edit them in a desktop application (probably BBEdit, knowing him). He also loved tables, which I hate dealing with in wiki markup. In any case, with some of "his" old pages, it has made editing them (post his departure)... Difficult.

But that's a major, and obnoxious, project. And, frankly, there is much more important stuff to be done (and, you know, I have much more fun things to do with my life). The Expression Language itself doesn't change that much (they don't give us new toys too often), so it isn't high on the priority list.

If anyone is a wiki editing wizard, though, and wants to take a crack at it...  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: blgentry on January 20, 2016, 05:43:09 pm
The Jr. part surprised me, but that is right. I tested it. If you do:
Swap(Sammy Davis Jr.)

It removes the Jr suffix, and outputs: Davis, Sammy

That's incorrect.  Your example in the docs has:  swap(Sammy Davis, Jr.)

That comma is being interpreted as an argument I believe and it's being dropped entirely.  You can put anything after the comma (foobar, baz) and it drops it.  If you write it without the comma:  Swap(Sammy Davis Jr.)

Then it works correctly and outputs:  Davis, Sammy Jr.

Brian.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on January 20, 2016, 06:03:56 pm
Oops. That explains it. I'll fix it.

Of course, about 1/2 of mine like that do have a comma. That's why I tested with that. I copypasted from MC. So, to use swap() right with those, you need to clean them of commas first.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on January 20, 2016, 06:26:09 pm
Okay. I fixed it, but I found a bug.

The Unswap() command is useless as it is, for the same reason. You can't actually even do the simple example I provided in the documentation:
Unswap(Simon, Paul) results in Simon

To make it work, you have to escape the comma with a / and do Unswap(Simon/, Paul). But that's ridiculous because the command has no additional parameters, and it is designed to work with commas.

They should fix both of them. I'll mention it to Matt in a different thread.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: blgentry on January 20, 2016, 07:16:40 pm
What you've reported is true.  But I think it's a consequence of how MC interprets typed characters versus the values stored in fields.  To whit:

unswap(swap(Paul Simon))

Produces:  Paul Simon

Further, I just tested storing a swapped value in the Comments field.  Then I made an expression column with unswap([comment]) .  The expression column correctly unswapped the swapped value.  So I think it's working as intended.

Finally, you asked about semi-colon separated values:  Yes, it swaps each member individually.  I tried it on [Director] for my movie collection and it swapped them all, including ones that had more than one director in the field.

Thanks again for your work on the docs.

Brian.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on January 20, 2016, 07:23:34 pm
Further, I just tested storing a swapped value in the Comments field.  Then I made an expression column with unswap([comment]) .  The expression column correctly unswapped the swapped value.  So I think it's working as intended.

Ok, I wondered about that, but hadn't had a chance to test it yet (I was going to before I whined to Matt).

It treats input from a field value as a single argument (as though it is quoted on the command line), but there's no way to type that in manually (that I know of). It only works when you feed it with a field value (or, probably, the output of another expression).

That's fine, really. I can't imagine anyone in their right mind would use it with manually entered text. I just didn't know the expression engine did that. It isn't like I hardcode strings often, obviously!  ;) ;D

Finally, you asked about semi-colon separated values:  Yes, it swaps each member individually.  I tried it on [Director] for my movie collection and it swapped them all, including ones that had more than one director in the field.

I thought he'd fixed it, but it was in a different thread than the original Swap() and Unswap() one, and I didn't find it in a quick search. I was lazy and figured someone would answer.

Yes. Laziness pays off again!

I'll update the examples, and add in the stuff about lists. I might even add something further up in the page about arguments and commas.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: dtc on January 20, 2016, 08:29:05 pm
glynor - Thanks for you efforts. It is good to have this functionality covered in the Wiki. There will always be some unusually cases with this function, but we now have the basic functionality covered. Thanks.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: Matt on January 21, 2016, 07:07:50 am
To make it work, you have to escape the comma with a / and do Unswap(Simon/, Paul). But that's ridiculous because the command has no additional parameters, and it is designed to work with commas.

They should fix both of them. I'll mention it to Matt in a different thread.

It doesn't seem that crazy that commas need to be escaped.

I suppose we could make a special parsing mode that doesn't escape commas that are used just inside a few functions, but it sounds complicated and kind of gross!
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on January 21, 2016, 07:14:59 am
It doesn't seem that crazy that commas need to be escaped.

I suppose we could make a special parsing mode that doesn't escape commas that are used just inside a few functions, but it sounds complicated and kind of gross!

According to Brian's test (I haven't tested yet myself), it's unnecessary. If you feed it with the output of a field (or, I assume, the output of another expression) then it works.

That's how people will use it in the real world. It just messed up my samples because I was typing them in manually. I'll test and confirm, but I think it is fine. I'll put something in the documentation to explain the samples.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: blgentry on January 21, 2016, 08:01:07 am
Another test reveals that unswap() doesn't seem to like the swapped version of Jr. suffixes.  For example:

unswap(swap(Sammy Davis Jr.))

That produces:  Sammy Jr. Davis

I don't think that's the intended behavior.

Brian.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: Matt on January 21, 2016, 08:53:54 am
Another test reveals that unswap() doesn't seem to like the swapped version of Jr. suffixes.  For example:

unswap(swap(Sammy Davis Jr.))

That produces:  Sammy Jr. Davis

I don't think that's the intended behavior.

Brian.

Boy you're making my life complicated!

Next build:
Changed: The Unswap expression function understands Jr., Sr., etc. and does the unswapping special when those are present.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: blgentry on January 21, 2016, 08:59:33 am
Boy you're making my life complicated!

Sorry about that :( .  When I get into testing mode sometimes I can't stop.  What's funny is, I really have no intention of every using this feature!  Thanks for working to make it perfect.  :)

Brian.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on January 21, 2016, 09:10:09 am
What's funny is, I really have no intention of every using this feature!

See, on my hand, I do have every intention of using it (well, Swap() anyway), and I just haven't gotten there yet. I really want to set up a [Director (Reversed)] and [Actors (Reversed)] expression field to use for display in panes and theater view categories, but...

Laziness wins in bad ways too.  ::)
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on January 21, 2016, 09:13:13 am
Matt, if you see this, can you comment about the "rules" for how expressions feed into other expressions?

Can I write something to this effect (worded better) in on the wiki page about expression arguments:

The output of an expression function (which includes field values) is always treated as a single input parameter when nested in another expression function. So that commas don't need to be escaped when they are contained in the output of an expression to be used as input on another expression function.

Such that:
if [Artist] = Simon, Paul
Unswap([Artist]) results in "Paul Simon"
and Unswap(Field(Artist)) also results in "Paul Simon"

Where using a string literal functions differently:
Unswap(Simon, Paul) results in "Simon" unless you escape the comma.

Is this right? Are there any cases where the expansion does not work that way?
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: Matt on January 21, 2016, 09:17:05 am
Matt, if you see this, can you comment about the "rules" for how expressions feed into other expressions?

Can I write something to this effect (worded better) in on the wiki page about expression arguments:

The output of an expression function (which includes field values) is always treated as a single argument when nested in another expression function. So that commas don't need to be escaped when they are contained in the output of an expression to be used as input on another expression function.

Is this right? Are there any cases where the expansion does not work that way?

That's exactly right.  It's treated as "one unit" when it comes out of another function or argument, so escapement isn't necessary.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on January 21, 2016, 09:18:19 am
Great. With that in mind, if you really love us, it would be pretty cool to have an expression function like this:
literal() which just does "this" (effectively the same as commenting the whole block).

Not really necessary since you can block escape text, but it would look less ugly in expressions and be a bit more readable.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: Matt on January 21, 2016, 09:39:45 am
Great. With that in mind, if you really love us, it would be pretty cool to have an expression function like this:
literal() which just does "this" (effectively the same as commenting the whole block).

Not really necessary since you can block escape text, but it would look less ugly in expressions and be a bit more readable.

I don't really understand, but I'm happy to try and help!

Next build:
NEW: Added the expression function Literal(...) that just outputs the text that's in parenthesis (useful for making a readable block of code).
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on January 21, 2016, 09:53:59 am
Well, to make sure it is useful, the literal() function would need the "special case" discussed above (automatically block escaping the text, essentially).
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on January 21, 2016, 03:11:31 pm
That's exactly right.  It's treated as "one unit" when it comes out of another function or argument, so escapement isn't necessary.

I fixed the documentation on this:
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Expression_Language#Function_Arguments

I think I might actually break up the page. This thing is super unweildy to edit. The TOC and Anchors keep breaking and all sorts of other obnoxious side effects.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on January 24, 2016, 12:32:33 am
I issued a major smackdown on the entire Expression Language page today:
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Expression_Language

I broke out each of the Function "Types" (the groupings MrC made way back in the day) into their own pages, and those contain the actual documentation blocks for the different functions. But to ensure you can still Command/Control-F search the main page directly for functions by name, I included a nice index section that links directly to each function's documentation.

You can jump directly to the Functions section with this link:
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Expression_Functions

And to the index:
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Expression_Language#Function_Index

This keeps the Expression Language page itself much more manageable. Breaking up pages is always a balancing act between making the user click once more to access the information, and keeping the page readable and navigable. For this page, I think it was long-since past time.

More, I created a system of templates for creating each function-specific documentation block. This morphs the nearly-impenetrable blocks of HTML and wikitext tables into something much simpler to manage and modify, if needed. The set of templates includes:
* {{function description box (http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Template:Function_Description_Box)}}
* {{argument table (http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Template:Argument_table)}}
* {{argument table row (http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Template:Argument_table_row)}}
* {{argument optional (http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Template:Argument_optional)}}

When used, it turns the source of, for example, SaveAdd(), from MrC's version:
Code: [Select]
====SaveAdd(&hellip;): Adds to a global variable====

{| style="width: 100%; border-spacing: 0; border: 0px solid black;" align="top" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0"
|- id="SaveAdd" valign="top"
! scope="row" style="background: #ecedf3; color: #111; border-style: solid; border-width: 2px 1px 0 2px; border-right: 1px solid #bbb;" width="100" | Description
| style="background: #f9f9f9; color: #111; border-style: solid; border-width: 2px 2px 0 0" width="1200" | <span style="font-family: monospace,monospace; font-size:1em; color:#0f3f8d; font-size:110%"><b>saveadd(</b><i>variable</i><b>, </b><i>value</i><b>, </b><i>mode</i><b>)</b></span>
The [[#SaveAdd|SaveAdd()]] function adds <i>value</i> to a global <i>variable</i> either numerically or as a list item.
The <i>mode</i> argument indicates how <i>variable</i> is modified.

Available <i>mode</i> values:

<div style="margin-left: 20pt;"><table style="border-spacing:0px; border-collapse:collapse; background: #f9f9f9">
<tr><td style="text-align:left; padding-right:20pt"><b>0</b></td><td>Add numeric <i>value</i> (integer or decimal) to <i>variable</i></td></tr>
<tr><td style="text-align:left; padding-right:20pt"><b>1</b></td><td>Append string <i>value</i> as a list item to <i>variable</i></td></tr>
<tr><td style="text-align:left; padding-right:20pt"><b>2</b></td><td>Prepend string <i>value</i> as a list item to <i>variable</i></td></tr>
</table></div>

Argument <i>mode</i> is optional (defaults to 0).

|- valign="top"
! scope="row" style="background: #ecedf3; color: #111; border-style: solid; border-width: 0px 1px 2px 2px; border-top: 1px solid #bbb; border-right: 1px solid #bbb;" | Examples
|style="background: #f9f9f9; color: #111; border-style: solid; border-width: 0px 2px 2px 0; border-top: 1px solid #bbb;" | <span style="font-family: monospace,monospace; font-size:1em;"><b><nowiki>saveadd(v, 1)</nowiki></b></span>
<p style="margin-left:20pt;">Numerically increments the global <i>variable</i> <span style="font-family: monospace,monospace; font-size:1em;">v</span> by <span style="font-family: monospace,monospace; font-size:1em;">1</span>.</p>
<span style="font-family: monospace,monospace; font-size:1em;"><b><nowiki>saveadd(v, math(2 - 6))</nowiki></b></span>
<p style="margin-left:20pt;">Numerically increments the global <i>variable</i> <span style="font-family: monospace,monospace; font-size:1em;">v</span> by the outcome of the [[#Math|Math()]], which is <span style="font-family: monospace,monospace; font-size:1em;">-4</span>.</p>
<span style="font-family: monospace,monospace; font-size:1em;"><b><nowiki>load(foo, v)saveadd(v, bar, 1)load(v)</nowiki></b></span>
<p style="margin-left:20pt;">Loads <i>value</i> <span style="font-family: monospace,monospace; font-size:1em;">foo</span> into <i>variable</i> <span style="font-family: monospace,monospace; font-size:1em;">v</span>, then appends the <i>value</i> <span style="font-family: monospace,monospace; font-size:1em;">bar</span> as a list item, and the final <span style="font-family: monospace,monospace; font-size:1em;">load(v)</span> expression outputs the
result of <span style="font-family: monospace,monospace; font-size:1em;">foo; bar</span>.</p>
<span style="font-family: monospace,monospace; font-size:1em;"><b><nowiki>load(That, v)saveadd(v, This, 2)load(v)</nowiki></b></span>
<p style="margin-left:20pt;">Similar to the previous example, but using the prepend <i>mode</i>, resulting in the output <span style="font-family: monospace,monospace; font-size:1em;">This; That</span>.</p>
|}
<div style="text-align:right;">([[#top|Back to top)]]</div>

Into:
Code: [Select]
=== <span id="SaveAdd">SaveAdd(&hellip;)</span> ===
: Adds to a global variable.

{{function description box
| name=saveadd
| arguments=variable, value, mode
| description=
The [[#SaveAdd|SaveAdd()]] function adds <i>value</i> to a global <i>variable</i> either numerically or as a list item.
The <i>mode</i> argument indicates how <i>variable</i> is modified.

{{argument table
| name=mode
| contents=
{{argument table row|0|Add numeric <i>value</i> (integer or decimal) to <i>variable</i>}}
{{argument table row|1|Append string <i>value</i> as a list item to <i>variable</i>}}
{{argument table row|2|Prepend string <i>value</i> as a list item to <i>variable</i>}}
}}
{{argument optional|mode|0}}
| examples=
'''{{monospace|saveadd(v, 1)}}'''
: Numerically increments the global <i>variable</i> {{monospace|v}} by {{monospace|1}}.
'''{{monospace|saveadd(v, math(2 - 6))}}'''
: Numerically increments the global <i>variable</i> {{monospace|v}} by the outcome of the [[#Math|Math()]], which is {{monospace|-4}}.
'''{{monospace|load(foo, v)saveadd(v, bar, 1)load(v)}}'''
: Loads <i>value</i> {{monospace|foo}} into <i>variable</i> {{monospace|v}}, then appends the <i>value</i> {{monospace|bar}} as a list item, and the final {{monospace|load(v)}} expression outputs the result of {{monospace|foo; bar}}.
'''{{monospace|load(That, v)saveadd(v, This, 2)load(v)}}'''
: Similar to the previous example, but using the prepend <i>mode</i>, resulting in the output {{monospace|This; That}}.
}}

Not all of the new subpages are converted from MrC's old style to the new system, however. I only got through Conditional Functions (http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Conditional_Functions) as far as fully converting them. But the copied-and-tweaked versions that are there now are basically just as functional as they were.

For any new content, or tweaking existing content, of course, I'll convert them over. Perhaps  I'll continue going through them by hand as well (which was actually good on the two sections I did, because I found some typos and other glitches), but we'll see.

Still didn't actually add GroupCount() which was what started all of this. But I'll get there.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: Arindelle on January 24, 2016, 05:59:56 am
I issued a major smackdown on the entire Expression Language page today:
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Expression_Language

I broke out each of the Function "Types" (the groupings MrC made way back in the day) into their own pages, and those contain the actual documentation blocks for the different functions. But to ensure you can still Command/Control-F search the main page directly for functions by name, I included a nice index section that links directly to each function's documentation.

You can jump directly to the Functions section with this link:
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Expression_Functions

And to the index:
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Expression_Language#Function_Index

(http://i.imgur.com/Uy6Faef.png)

better get some good steaks on order, Jim  ;D

while your at it, Glynor ... could you change the page layout and graphical elements too ... looks a bit "90s" to me, maybe a facelift to the logo too

Moderator

(http://i.imgur.com/w1f5keR.jpg)
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on January 25, 2016, 05:12:18 pm
Did a little more today. Got the function documentations "fixed" through Test and Comparison Functions (http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Test_and_Comparison_Functions) now.

I also made redirects for all of the functions so that you can access them directly using URLs in this form:
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Compare() (http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Compare())
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/ConvertDate() (http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/ConvertDate())

And so on and so forth. They all work, if they're in there now.

This lets me put them all in a category, which generates a by-name index of them:
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Category:Expression_Functions

That's pretty cool.

But, I discovered something while doing it. Redirects to page sections don't work right on some browsers on the version of mediawiki that we're using. Specifically, on Mobile Safari on iOS (though possibly others, I saw some reference to the same issue on Opera and desktop Safari), it redirects to the top of the proper page, but not to the section.

I think this is something that has been fixed in more recent versions of mediawiki. I found a few threads about Wikipedia from back in 2007-2009 referencing this issue, but nothing since then. And, they do now work on Wikipedia, even if you turn off the mobile "theme", but they're on a much more modern version than us, and have all sorts of extensions installed.

I know redirecting to sections like that is done by Javascript after the page-redirection loads.  So, it could be our common.js. I don't know though, as I couldn't find a bunch of instructions on how to fix it, just "it works now", which makes me think it was a mediawiki bug (or something they worked around). Not sure, but that seems dangerous to go spelunking after.

Still, though, they're useful (and on mobile safari it still gets you "close"), and you can use them in posts and whatnot and other places on the Wiki. Handy side-effect of re-working them.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: ferday on January 25, 2016, 07:34:02 pm
I don't really understand, but I'm happy to try and help!

Next build:
NEW: Added the expression function Literal(...) that just outputs the text that's in parenthesis (useful for making a readable block of code).

Actually, that's pretty cool.  Thanks Matt, I think I can find some use for this

@glynor, thanks for the efforts.  Looks great
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: ssands on January 25, 2016, 10:25:44 pm
@glynor,
Thanks for your time and efforts, it is appreciated!
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: glynor on January 25, 2016, 11:57:04 pm
Okay, so I took a crack at:
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Grouping_Functions

But... Phew! There is a paucity of information on these functions, and I haven't used them myself at all to build anything, so I don't have any experience. Back in the beginning (when it actually got added to the builds (http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=81766.msg564453#msg564453)) Matt said:
I'll start a thread sometime in the next few days to explain this better and give some examples.  I think it opens up a lot of neat possibilities.

I don't believe that ever happened, kind sir. Or if it did, I couldn't find it anywhere. Right now, my documentation is pretty terrible (effectively just links to two threads, and old ones). I kinda fudged the rest based on some of your background information, but it isn't stupendous. I'm not even positive that those two are all there are of the grouping functions. You'd mentioned them as part of a "class" and I saw a few oblique suggestions that there might be others, though they seemed inexact and "futurey"...

Also, you'd mentioned this:
This might be a nice extension of the new class of Group...(...) functions.

What's better:

GroupSummary(Disc #, max)
or
GroupMax(Disc #)

I don't know, but I don't think anything was ever done here. For the record, I think GroupSummary(field, mode) is definitely the way to go. Mode 0 can be Automatic, just like the current function, and then 1 through whatever would be...

Functions to ask explicitly for mode, mean, min, max, etc. would be a nice addition.

So... I don't know what to do here. At least it is something for now, though!
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: Arindelle on January 26, 2016, 06:27:11 am
if you guys want a working example to cut and paste for the Literal(...) function

this works nice (and it also removes the dreaded time stamp for my audio files which mucks things up for me ;) )

After reimporting the local media, the new field's data could be used for stats and views instead of the actual date imported field. Also, it's a way to save stats if you have to re import media files or write back file tags to the library.

Code: [Select]
=Literal([Date Imported])Now this works great. The result I get is something like this
19/08/2013 22:32

and when adding the expression to remove the time from the output using RemoveRight(...)

Code: [Select]
=removeright(literal([Date Imported]),6)
Removes the trailing old value [ 22:32] from the original string, resulting in 19/08/2013. Because no new string is specified, the default empty value is used as a replacement, effectively stripping the old value.
Title: Re: Wiki Updates
Post by: Matt on January 26, 2016, 11:03:15 am
This thread is kind of long and scary.

But the function:
GroupSummary(...)

Was added.  From the comment:
"Get a summary for the current group of files.

Field: the name of the field to summarize
Example: GroupSummary(Rating)"

And it does summarize groupings when used in a pane, etc.