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More => Old Versions => JRiver Media Center 19 for Mac => Topic started by: GerdGarten on June 20, 2014, 09:23:07 am

Title: HiFace problem
Post by: GerdGarten on June 20, 2014, 09:23:07 am
I have a HiFace USB digital to coax. I have adjusted all the best.
I invite JRiver Media Center, and start it the first time.
It sounds horrible.
What did JRiver Media Center? Simple example, the control panel Audio MIDI Setup changed.
Please programming JRiver Media Center so that all settings are not affected!

You can fumble around because when the user allows it or this set deliberately.
But do not simply according to your thoughts conversions before!

Dieter
Title: Re: JRiver Media Center, let the check boxes in peace!
Post by: JimH on June 20, 2014, 06:20:34 pm
It's hard to understand what you're saying, but MC won't change your MIDI settings.
Title: Re: JRiver Media Center, let the check boxes in peace!
Post by: GerdGarten on June 21, 2014, 08:26:27 am
sure MC writes the settings of the MIDI Settings
from 192khz to 44khz to, and that must not be.
This is a picture how it must be when hiFace is in operation.
(http://macde.macbay.de/midi.png)
http://macde.macbay.de/midi.png (http://macde.macbay.de/midi.png)
And to these settings may not be changed.
MC writes it to 44khz but um .... shame ....
Title: Re: JRiver Media Center, let the check boxes in peace!
Post by: glynor on June 21, 2014, 08:30:44 am
MC doesn't write to it.  That control in OSX doesn't do what you think it does.

When playback is active, it is a display, not a setting.
Title: Re: JRiver Media Center, let the check boxes in peace!
Post by: GerdGarten on June 21, 2014, 12:00:48 pm
I've done it again.
A photo without the MC 2 photo after I had started MC times.
(http://macde.macbay.de/midi.png)
and after:
(http://macde.macbay.de/midi2.png)

So what can and can not be!
I hear so well how bad the sound is ....
So it's a real setting.

-
Just see to it that such a thing does not occur.
MC is otherwise unusable if it is not improved.


Gerd
Title: Re: JRiver Media Center, let the check boxes in peace!
Post by: GerdGarten on June 21, 2014, 04:07:30 pm
OSX 10.6.8 I have.
Perhaps so few have the HiFace converter.
For the converter HiFace a driver is installed.
But this should remain unaffected by the MC.

Gerd
Title: Re: JRiver Media Center, let the check boxes in peace!
Post by: 6233638 on June 21, 2014, 06:23:45 pm
Set MC's output format to 192kHz in the DSP Studio if you want everything resampled to it.
Title: Re: JRiver Media Center, let the check boxes in peace!
Post by: glynor on June 22, 2014, 09:19:07 am
I do think something isn't quite working right here.

Unless I'm mistaken, it should:
1. When in Exclusive Mode, put the sample rate back to how it found it when it is done playing, and doesn't.
2. Playback should fail if Exclusive Mode is off and the sample rate doesn't match the selected one, and doesn't.
Title: Re: JRiver Media Center, let the check boxes in peace!
Post by: Isaacc7 on June 22, 2014, 11:24:03 am
I have noticed problems with MC choosing airplay devices for output even when I'm not using them. Often times that will lock the output at 48k. If I disconnect my airplay devices the rate does not get switched. There is definitely some oddness with MC and airplay devices. I wonder if the OP is having some related problems.
Title: Re: JRiver Media Center, let the check boxes in peace!
Post by: Bluemoon on June 22, 2014, 10:16:58 pm
I have noticed problems with MC choosing airplay devices for output even when I'm not using them. Often times that will lock the output at 48k. If I disconnect my airplay devices the rate does not get switched. There is definitely some oddness with MC and airplay devices. I wonder if the OP is having some related problems.

I have reported in another thread re "MC is not releasing my audio device after quit" but got no reply from the JR guys. Unfortunately it happens randomly so I cannot replicate the issue. I isolated MC as the only app running (apart from the OS itself) when it happens. MC is set to "Exclusive Access" mode so, for some reason, MC is having difficulty setting/releasing the audio device properly when needed. When it happens only a reboot fixes the problem. Not end of the world but very annoying.

Having said that I really appreciate JR people's efforts. MC has become my favorite music player. The power and flexibility it provides is awesome.
Title: Re: JRiver Media Center, let the check boxes in peace!
Post by: mvilla on June 23, 2014, 02:15:05 am
I have reported in another thread re "MC is not releasing my audio device after quit" but got no reply from the JR guys. Unfortunately it happens randomly so I cannot replicate the issue. I isolated MC as the only app running (apart from the OS itself) when it happens. MC is set to "Exclusive Access" mode so, for some reason, MC is having difficulty setting/releasing the audio device properly when needed. When it happens only a reboot fixes the problem. Not end of the world but very annoying.

Having said that I really appreciate JR people's efforts. MC has become my favorite music player. The power and flexibility it provides is awesome.

+1

Exactly the same issue and at the same time same evaluation about JR people and MC player :-)
Ready to test something for you if can help
Massimo
Title: Re: JRiver Media Center, let the check boxes in peace!
Post by: JimH on June 23, 2014, 06:00:00 am
Try using the stop button instead of the pause button.
Title: Re: JRiver Media Center, let the check boxes in peace!
Post by: GerdGarten on June 23, 2014, 06:56:35 am
what should I do ...

MC can not cope with my HiFace Converter.

There are now even large dropout and stutter during playback.

Title: Re: JRiver Media Center, let the check boxes in peace!
Post by: Bluemoon on June 23, 2014, 08:54:40 am
Try using the stop button instead of the pause button.

I'm assuming this is a question.

Yes, I'm using stop button (I know that much). Thanks for the reply.
Title: Re: JRiver Media Center, let the check boxes in peace!
Post by: glynor on June 23, 2014, 08:57:29 am
To be clear, GerdGarten... I think there is a problem in the way MC handles Exclusive vs. Non-Exclusive mode on OSX in the current version.  As I said above, it should be returning the system sample rate to the original setting when Playback stops, and it seems like (in my brief tests) that it is not.

That's bad, but it does NOT impact your ability to use your HiFace at the 192kHz sample rate you seem to want it to use.  You have MC set up wrong if that's what you want.

Now, it could be argued that what you want is non-ideal (it is generally recommended to preserve the original sample rates).  However, ignoring that, if you want MC to resample everything to 192kHz, you can absolutely do that, you just don't have that set on your copy.  MC does not use the system resampling engine and does not obey the system sample rate setting.  It has its own internal high-quality resampling engine.

These internal resampling settings are found in the Output Format DSP, as 6233638 pointed out above.  If you want MC to play EVERYTHING at 192kHz, you have to set it to resample everything to 192kHz.

So, if I'm right and it was working properly, fixing this wouldn't directly impact your issue, which is due to a misconfiguration.  The way it should work is:

* If Exclusive mode is enabled, then all files play back natively, and the system sample rate setting is bypassed (or set to 44.1kHz and then back to the original setting automatically when playback stops).

* If Exclusive mode is disabled, and the system sample rate is 192kHz, then your playback should FAIL if you try to play something at 44.1kHz.  Then you'd HAVE TO enable the DSP resampler to get anything to work at all.

This is how it works on Windows, and I think is how it should work on OSX, but I'm not 100% clear on the meaning of the settings in the OSX Audio Midi Setup application.  I did test it with other applications though, and they seem to preserve the setting in there (which means if you play a 44.1 source file, then it MUST be resampling the file, or ignoring the setting).  MC changes the setting to whatever format you last played.  I think that's right, but it should put it back when it is done.
Title: Re: JRiver Media Center, let the check boxes in peace!
Post by: Matt on June 23, 2014, 09:13:33 am
You can tell MC to use any sample rate you want.  Look in DSP Studio > Output Format > Sample rate.
Title: Re: JRiver Media Center, let the check boxes in peace!
Post by: adamt on June 23, 2014, 10:00:39 am
GerdGarten, as Matt said, don't use the system midi settings at all.  Let Media Center do the re-sampling.  Make sure to use the device in exclusive mode.
Title: Re: JRiver Media Center, let the check boxes in peace!
Post by: GerdGarten on June 24, 2014, 01:36:17 pm
worried you a HiFace converter, and test it for yourself.

MC is just the music to the existing audio device (whatever it is) give further without reaching into the depths of the operating system.

If I just have a HiFace converter, then this is so, and in this state
Nothing should be changed. Because playback is just wonderful.

Title: Re: HiFace problem
Post by: JimH on June 24, 2014, 05:13:02 pm
Gerd,
You're not listening to good advice.  Read again, more carefully.