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Windows => Television => Topic started by: crawfofd on September 17, 2014, 05:07:00 pm
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I have a colossus tv card in my system and have output from my comcast hdmi port going to it. It works perfectly with WinTv 7 and sagetv, but can not get it to work with JRiver Media Center. I get no video or audio. When I select a station it goes out and transmits a ir signal, it does not change the channel but that is because it is sending to many codes.
MC sees my card. It lets me configure it. It even learns my ir codes using usb-uirt. It does a channel scan no problem.
Ive looked on the forum and I have tried I think all that I can find that pertains to the colossus card. I have tried all the settings in the Crossbar setting. It seems that should be a hdmi input but I do not see it. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Have you tried to play the device's input channel directly in MC? Find a "channel" like "YRYBY Hauppauge ...", or "Composite Hauppauge ...", etc., and try play it. The exact text depends on your device (as I do not remember exactly what they are for the Colossus), as well as on the input connection you use. Then independently change channel on the set-top-box. Do you still get nothing on screen this way?
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I will try that right now and let you know, Thanks for reply.
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You can't use the IR Blaster that comes with the Colossus. It took me a while to figure that out. You need to use an MCE compatible USB IR transmitter.
The HDMI input on the Colossus shows up as SerialDigital or something like that in JRiver.
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I played the file coming from the colossus and it works fine. So thats working. It is just when I use the guide it seems to not work.
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Thanks, mojave I'll try that after I get the video working.
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I played the file coming from the colossus and it works fine. So thats working. It is just when I use the guide it seems to not work.
Are you saying that you are able to play "SerialDigital Hauppauge Colossus..." channel and see the video that feeds into the Colossus from your STB?
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Yaobing, Thanks for your reply.
[Are you saying that you are able to play "SerialDigital Hauppauge Colossus..." channel and see the video that feeds into the Colossus from your STB?]
Yes you were correct.
The problem has been solved. I decided to remove and reload mc20. I dont know if that had anything to do with it but when I set up the tv portion I first configured the colossus card and then the ceton infinitv 4 card. Everything seems to be working properly now. The only problem I have is that the remote will not change the channels correctly. It is sending 11155552222 for 152, most of the time. Sometimes it sends 1115552222. It is not consistant, but it never is correct. I am using a USB-UIRT device.
I haven't tried configuring the ATSC OTA from the Hdhomerun yet. I want to get the other two completely configured. Any help on the remote would be appreciated.
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I will have to test the IR blaster myself. I ordered an USB-UIRT device and have not received it yet. Once I receive it I will look into why it is not blasting the right code.
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Is there a way to manually put the ir codes in? Are they stored in the database to?
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They are stored in the registry, but not easy to edit.
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It is sending 11155552222 for 152, most of the time. Sometimes it sends 1115552222. It is not consistant, but it never is correct. I am using a USB-UIRT device.
That just looks like the repeat time for the remote isn't working right. Have you tried different settings in Options > Remote Control > Devices & Options > Anti-repeat time (ms)?
It could be the blaster repeat. I haven't used one so don't know if there is a setting for repeat on it.
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I have tried to change the repeat time out but it does not do any good. It seems like the codes are being randomly generated.
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Yaobing,
Any update to the usb-uirt problem yet?
Also you never answered me about the global itach flex, is it possible to have MC send to the set top box using the flex??
Thanks for any help you can provide.
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Sorry, no I have no update yet. I am bogged down by other issues.
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Thanks for you post.
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I made a change today (will appear in a new build in the next few days) so MC will use a different data format for USB-UIRT IR emitter data learned and fired. It is supposed to be more reliable.
That said, I actually found out why I was having trouble getting MC to learn the codes. I spent half a day a couple of days ago trying to get MC to learn IR code without success, until I replaced the batteries in the remote control. The lesson learned: IR code learning requires strong signal from the remote control. Even if the remote control can control your set top box with a set of weak batteries, you should make sure you have good batteries when you attempt IR code learning.
Regarding the issue of the code being repeated multiple times when it is blasted, I could not find anything that we did wrong. I communicated with Jon Rhees (the maker of the device) via email about the developer API. Everything seems to be straight forward. After the codes were learned successfully with a new set of batteries, the issue is rarely seen. On very rare occasions, I got repeated blast when the emitter is placed too close to the receiver window of the STB. So my guess is maybe the signal gets reflected back from the receiver and then reflected again by the emitter toward the receiver. Another possibility is that weak signal during learning caused the incorrect code to be recorded.
So here are my suggestions:
Make sure you use a new set of batteries. When doing learning, place the remote control 1 to 4 inches from the device receiver window.
Make sure you do not put the emitter too close after all codes are learned - it should be at least a foot away, and there are not other objects that may act as reflectors in the area. And experiment with positioning of the emitter.
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Make sure you use a new set of batteries. When doing learning, place the remote control 1 to 4 inches from the device receiver window.
Harmony recommend 2 to 4 inches separation between sending device and receiving device when learning commands. I always found it worked better at 4 inches. Too close is just as bad as too far away.
But yes, fresh batteries always helps!
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I will try it with fresh batteries and try it at different locations. I do have to say thought I have two other programs that learn the codes with no problems.
Would it be possible to have the learning process learn it once and then do it again and have it check against the first one to verify that it is good. Also I think some remotes cycle through two separate codes. Just throwing some thoughts out there.
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Again, with Harmony they recommend holding the button on the sending device so that the code is repeated. While in learning mode the receiving device, being the Harmony, looks for the repeated cycle and works out from that what the single button press code is, only reporting success when it has a unique code repeated some number of times.
The code is both read and verified at the same time when this method is used, as an identical code must be received multiple times before the new code is accepted.
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Ok still not working, I've tried everyway to get the remote to work with usb-uirt but no joy. New batteries, every 1,2 3,4 5 inches away from device. It repeatedly adds numbers ( 2 is 2222). This is a consistant behavior. Again I have two other programs that have no problem learning the codes from my remote to the usb-uirt. Does anyone have a solution. It pretty much makes my set top box useless if I can not change the channel.
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Ok still not working, I've tried everyway to get the remote to work with usb-uirt but no joy. New batteries, every 1,2 3,4 5 inches away from device. It repeatedly adds numbers ( 2 is 2222). This is a consistant behavior. Again I have two other programs that have no problem learning the codes from my remote to the usb-uirt. Does anyone have a solution. It pretty much makes my set top box useless if I can not change the channel.
Do you use the emitter from the main device window, or an external one plugged into the jack?
How far do you place the emitter from your STB?
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Ive used the main device window and the external, neither works. As I keep repeating myself I have two other programs that work fine with the same settings. It should not matter if your blasting the code at the device or selectively putting an emiter on it. Is there some kind of log to look at. How can we find out what is being learned and what is being sent. There must be some kind of tool or something to use to troubleshoot????
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Please wait for the next release of MC.
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Tried the new version of MC. (20.0.25). Usb-uirt still not working properly. It does seem to be better. It seems to be more consistent with only creating double of the number. ( 2 = 22, 5=55, 152=115522). Also xfinity(comcast) requires a return at the end of inputting numbers, there is no option to add that.
All and all getting closer, but still not working. ( Want you to know I am very appreciative of your efforts. )
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Code for each button is saved in the following registry key:
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\JRiver\Media Center 20\Plugins\RemoteControl\AVLink\USB-UUIRT port 1
(or port 2, or port 3, depending on which port you use). In this key there are 15 entries, some of which are not relevant. If you double click an entry, and then press Ctrl+C, you can copy the content. It should look like the following:
<JRAVLINK version="1.0">
<Item Name="Protocol">MC IRBlast</Item>
<Item Name="Name">Set-top Box Number 4</Item>
<Item Name="Description"/>
<Item Name="Function">Set-top Box Number 4</Item>
<Item Name="IsDiscrete">0</Item>
<Item Name="Data"><JRIR version="1.0">
<Item Name="RemotePlugin"/>
<Item Name="IRData">0000 006B 0012 0012 0008 0023 0008 0044 0008 001E 0008 006F 0008 0033 0008 0033 0008 002E 0008 0069 0008 01FA 0008 0023 0008 0059 0008 001E 0008 001E 0008 001E 0008 0033 0008 001E 0008 001E 0008 0C6D 0008 0023 0008 0044 0008 001E 0008 006F 0008 0034 0008 0034 0008 002E 0008 0069 0008 01FA 0008 0023 0008 002E 0008 0049 0008 001E 0008 001E 0008 0034 0008 001E 0008 001E 0008 0C6D</Item>
<Item Name="PortIndex">-1</Item>
<Item Name="CarrierFrequency">-1</Item>
<Item Name="BlastCommandName"/>
</JRIR></Item>
<Item Name="DataSource">Learning</Item>
</JRAVLINK>
The IRData part is what has been learned and saved. I can not tell what those numbers mean. Everything is supposed to be shielded within the driver. Whatever the driver gives during the learning process is what we save in the registry.
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My Comcast STBs never require pressing Enter key to change channels :), it is only optional.
I will add the enter key as part of the learning wizard, and add an option to fire it after the channel number.
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crawfofd, how do you generally access a TV channel inside MC? By choosing a program and click Watch? By directly double-clicking an entry in the channels list in Standard view? By using a remote control to enter a channel number?
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Thanks Yaobing for the info. I used your process and my ir code looks nothing like yours.
<JRAVLINK version="1.0">
<Item Name="Protocol">MC IRBlast</Item>
<Item Name="Name">Set-top Box Number 0</Item>
<Item Name="Description"/>
<Item Name="Function">Set-top Box Number 0</Item>
<Item Name="IsDiscrete">0</Item>
<Item Name="Data"><JRIR version="1.0">
<Item Name="RemotePlugin"/>
<Item Name="IRData">0000 006D 0000 0000</Item>
<Item Name="PortIndex">-1</Item>
<Item Name="CarrierFrequency">-1</Item>
<Item Name="BlastCommandName"/>
</JRIR></Item>
<Item Name="DataSource">Learning</Item>
</JRAVLINK>
I will try some other remotes and see how they look. Do you know it the code is pronto or hex?
My STB is for the xfinity system and what happens is it does a search as you press the numbers so it does not know when you are done it justs waits for you to hit enter to let it know your done.
I will do some more testing on the remotes and compare the outputs then re-post. Thanks again for your quick response.
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Yaobing, I am currently in the setup stage. I am not actively using MC other then testing. I am in the process of converting from sagetv to MC, but until I get it stable I will still use SageTV.
To answer your question, The only thing I use the STB for is encrypted recording/viewing. I would normally just select it from within the guide. Most of the time it will be scheduled ahead and just recorded. I have a ceton infinity 4 and hdhomerun dual that I use for normal unencrypted stations. Those both work great and I just use gizmo or eos as a remote. ( I like eos for viewing live tv)
Hope that answers your question.
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The code is pronto.
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Yaobing,
Okay here is the testing that I have done. I have a program 'lrnhelper' which reads codes from the remote, then transmits it through the usb-uirt. Using my remote I have successfully learned and transmitted codes to my STB using this process. I found out that once I held the key long enough the codes in regedit seem to be correct. I copied these codes from the registry to lrnhelp then transmitted them and it worked perfectly.
So it looks like the learning process is working properly. The problem is in the transmission. I thinking it might be the delay between sent codes. I have tried to set it differently in the Anti-repeat time under 'Devices & Options', but it always stays at Automatic. Could this be the problem or does it always default to Automatic when you go to 'Devices & Options' under remotes.
Let me know
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The settings there is not used when you watch TV.
Tomorrow I will make a build so the values can be changed by changing it in the registry. You can then do some more testing.
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Thanks Yaobing, I'll be looking for it.
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Here we go -
Download this zip file:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/il5u1za41woxhv4/Media%20Center%2020%20Plus%20RC.zip?dl=0
Unzip it and copy -
Media Center 20.exe to MC20 installation folder;
rc_main.dll to Plugins subfolder.
Run MC20 and play an STB channel once.
Now open registry key HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\JRiver\Media Center 20\TV Settings\Shared
and find "STB IR Blast Repeat Count" and "STB Number IR Delay MS".
Try changing either or both values (independently). In your case you probably want to reduce them.
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Yaobing, your a genius. It worked perfectly. All I had to do was change one parameter.
Changed 'STB IR Blast Repeat Count' from 'a' to 5.
I tried using various numbers, under 4 does not work at all. '6' doubles (115522), 'a' quads (111155552222). So that variable definately works. Now the only problem is I couldn't actually change the channel with out a 'enter' or in my case with the xr2 remote 'ok'.
So what is the plan now. will this be a feature in the setup?
Again great work. Let me know about the 'Enter' key.......
Thanks
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I will add these two numbers as part of IR emitter configuration. They have to be on per emitter basis (because it is the STB that dictates the values).
I will also add Enter/Select/OK, whatever it is called.
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Thanks Yaobing. Will test it when it becomes available.
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Yaobing, updated to 20.0.26. Unless there is something I'm missing or doing wrong it is broken again. It is back to doing doubles (152 is 115522) and so on.
Went to 'Setup IR Emitter for STB channels' and re-learned codes. Then went to Television -> Advanced -> Edit channel list and made sure all STB channels were pointing to right port on usb-uirt.
Also tried the regedit and changing values, but that did nothing at all. I assume it was disabled with the new update.
Anyway no joy on 20.0.26 update.
Will await further instructions/help.
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Yaobing, just want to mention that there was no 'enter/select/ok' to configure. Didn't know if it had been put in yet so thought I would remind just in case.
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Yaobing, just want to mention that there was no 'enter/select/ok' to configure. Didn't know if it had been put in yet so thought I would remind just in case.
You are right. I was not fast enough to get it in build 26.
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Please try this again:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/il5u1za41woxhv4/Media%20Center%2020%20Plus%20RC.zip?dl=0
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Yaobing, Just a quick post to let you know I loaded the two files and everything seems to be working great.
Your IR setup now covers everything needed to perform any task. I have just done some simple testing so I will do more tomorrow, but wanted you to know that it looks good so far.
Thanks for all the hard work getting this going.
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Every now and then I play around the TV features in MC to see if I can consider abandoning Sage...I definitely see a lot of improvements are being made this is great!!!
A few I noticed:
1. Now showing the program title & description on the Onscreen Display
2. Ability to have favorite channels for specific cards. Very nice but in my case what I would require is ALSO the opposite where you can tell some cards not to try to access certain channels as ATSC cards are not all made equal. (Some are more sensitive and pickup more channels, some others don't) This option for me is a must to do the switch.... Unless MC does it automatically after a scan per card? Yaobbing last time I checked and asked you said this was not possible and they were all taking the same pool of channels except for the Colossus..)
3. IR Blaster config is a whole lot better thx for that!
3. My Colossus card no longer seems to work I get the following error message: No Television Tuner is available to fulfill your request...I tried a reboot, Sage TV server is Off and I know the card is not being used by other programs. Does it now get confused with my 3 other ATSC cards? (Same setup worked fine with MC19 a few months back......) I don't want to go through re installing MC to see if this would fix it..Not worth it for me at this stage...
Thanks for the help!!
It's getting closer and closer but Sage TV is still my preferred choice for TV watching and recording. I would love to use JRiver for all my needs eventually...
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3. My Colossus card no longer seems to work I get the following error message: No Television Tuner is available to fulfill your request...I tried a reboot, Sage TV server is Off and I know the card is not being used by other programs. Does it now get confused with my 3 other ATSC cards? (Same setup worked fine with MC19 a few months back......) I don't want to go through re installing MC to see if this would fix it..Not worth it for me at this stage...
What do you use the Colossus for? Do you see it in the list of devices at Tools > Options > Television > Devices?
A recent change required some channels be rescanned. These channels have device names embedded in the channel parameters. The channels affected include STB channels and the device input channels (component, composite, SVideo, etc.) both of which can be associated with the Colossus. You need to delete those channels and redo scanning.
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Yes I see it.
I use it with a Satellite Box using the Component In.
I'll start first by trying to find these channels and delete them.
Do I really need a scan with a satellite box that has about 1000 channels?
I'll report back when I try this thx!
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With STB, channel "scanning" does not really scan the receiver for channels. MC uses Guide data to populate channels. You have to redo the procedure because we added an extra identifier to the device name, in order to distinguish identical devices on the same machine.
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Got it. I'll try this tonight and report back.
Yaobing does it also mean that if I do a scan for my 3 ATSC cards, MC will know which cards can't tune in some channels and ignore them? (My point 2. in my previous post?)
Thx!!
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No. For ATSC channels, all tuners are treated the same, except that we follow the custom ordering of the tuners, and we try to use preferred tuner if available.
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Any workarounds then for my point 2 above?
Here it is again:
2. Ability to have favorite channels for specific cards. Very nice but in my case what I would require is ALSO the opposite where you can tell some cards not to try to access certain channels as ATSC cards are not all made equal. (Some are more sensitive and pickup more channels, some others don't) This option for me is a must to do the switch.... Unless MC does it automatically after a scan per card? Yaobbing last time I checked and asked you said this was not possible and they were all taking the same pool of channels except for the Colossus..)
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There is no work around, other than assigning a device that can handle a certain channel to that channel. This does not preclude the device from being used for other channels.
I will have to think about adding the ability to avoid certain tuners.
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OK Now my colossus card works however this also means my old IR Blaster codes don't work (or rather got deleted as well)...
Just like last time I had to install Windows Media Center, get the codes learned then uninstalled...I can't have JRiver learn IR commands it simply does not work without windows media center being installed.(I posted this before with no answer...).
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Please remind me again what happens when you try to use the remote control. What kind of remote is it?
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MCE Remote Kit. What I had to do months ago is to reinstall Windows Media Center to get JRiver to learn the IR codes from the Satellite Box.
As I deleted all my Colossus channels yesterday just like you suggested I had to go through the IR learning process again. But because I don't have Windows Media Center installed the learning part is not working. (I assume this is the root cause and there might be some dependency or a service running for the MCE Blaster that gets deleted when Windows Media Center is uninstalled...)
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I see. I am guessing maybe you need a MCE remote driver. Maybe this will help:
http://www.byremote.com.au/hip/mce_remote_faq.htm
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Do you confirm there is a dependency with WMC?
Anyways I installed WMC last night I will try the IR learning with it installed tonight to see if this works...
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I have not been able to test this situation because my system is Windows 7 that came with WMC installed. I do not feel like messing with it.
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The more useless stuff and services I can get rid of to ensure speed and most importantly good sound on my machine the better!
Besides it doesn't coexist well when other Softwares' need "The green button" such as JRiver and Sage.
All that is needed is to uninstall it in Add/Remove windows features. I don't mess around anything else. You should try it :)
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Add/Remove windows features.
Aha. I was trying to uninstall it and could not find it in the list of programs to remove.
Just did it and it did not affect my STB channel setup. MCE IR emitter setup went through correctly. No problems here.
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Come to think about it, if your old STB channels worked correctly, should only need to redo the channels, making sure you select the same parameters as before (i.e. the channel or input line to receive the signal, and the remote device and port). You could actually skip the IR setup because that part of the setting should still work.
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I wish I could. As I said in a previous when I deleted the Channels as you suggested for the Colossus it also deleted the IR codes. I reinstalled Windows Media center and I'm also having problem with this (IR Not detected). It used to be OK before..
Something strange is going on...
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On another setup without Windows Media Center I just installed LM Remote Keymap to confirm nothing is wrong with the MCE IR Blaster and it worked right away flawlessly when I asked it to learn codes... So nothing wrong with the hardware or driver. It really is with JRIver having some kind of dependency on Windows Media Center. And on top of it, with this setup, MC gives me an error : You don't appear to have a media center receiver installed!!
And yet on another setup with same remote hub (the hp one that looks exactly like the one in the control setup window!!) same thing!!
The other hub on my main HTPC is a Toshiba one where I don't get the you dopn't appear message but I can't get it to learn codes anymore...
Yaobbing can you please try to replicate and uninstall WMC and see if you get the issue?
What's the point of having Windows media Center if you have JRiver!!!
This is driving me nuts! Shouldn't be easy to find that dependancy to WMC?
thx for the help
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I did try. Disabled WMC feature on my system, but my MCE remote still works fine.
Aha. I was trying to uninstall it and could not find it in the list of programs to remove.
Just did it and it did not affect my STB channel setup. MCE IR emitter setup went through correctly. No problems here.
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Yaobbing some more info.
When I go into tools->remotes->commands my STB codes are still there and work with my STB but how do I re-associate them to my "new" STB...under the IR emitter setup? This would work!
I went into the Registry as per one of your previous post to get the raw codes but can't paste them into the IR wizard.............
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Yaobbing when you uninstalled WMC, did you try the IR learning part? Did it work?
Having WMC was just necessary a few months back to get JRiver to learn the STB IR codes btu worked with Windows Media Center.
Can't wait to get to the bottom of this...Thx again for your support!
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Yaobbing some more info.
When I go into tools->remotes->commands my STB codes are still there and work with my STB but how do I re-associate them to my "new" STB...under the IR emitter setup? This would work!
I went into the Registry as per one of your previous post to get the raw codes but can't paste them into the IR wizard.............
This is interesting info.
Try running the new STB IR wizard and send me a log.
Yaobbing when you uninstalled WMC, did you try the IR learning part? Did it work?
Yes and yes.
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Guess what...I just retried the STB wizard allover again, this time I had my computer sound ON (as this seems to be the only way to know a code is learned aside from the number changing for the IR learning codes...I also was a little more persistent in trying the codes and guess what? It worked!!!!!! Was it working before? I don't know and don't think so but not 100% sure...And that is Without Windows Media Center!!
Did you guys change anything in 20.0.47?
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Television-related changes in recent builds are not specific to IR emitter setup.
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I wonder whether you going to Options > Remote Control > Commands triggered something that previously was not triggered. Hmm..., something for me to think about.
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Hey by the way WOW :o!!!! It's now possible to see the live show under the guide view this is great!!! And I also like the description view with a bigger Live TV image...You guys are obviously making huge progress!
However changing channels is painful and the blaster codes, eventhough there..They don't work with my STB. When I test them in the wizard they work fine. Going from my STB to an ATSC card while flipping channels in the guide doesn't seem to work either...
I'll keep playing with this and report back. Can I disable Time-shifting ? It doesn't look like it...Maybe this would help?
As an FYI I know it's not my system as I've been using Sage for years without issues.
Thx Yaobbing.
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Just tried using 20.0.87 since I noticed a lot of changes have been done to improve TV.
Unfortunately I'm still stuck with the same issues:
Setting up the IR blaster works but when I try to use it after the setup it still doesn't work. At least now I can set it up but it doesn't work unless I'm in the test page.
Is there a way to choose more than one folder for TV recording? This would be a must for me to switch from Sage.
I still experience a lot of lag when changing channels and stuttering which is not present in Sage
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You can not set more than one recording folders. Not now anyway.
You can not disable time-shifting for digital TV (ATSC etc.) but you can for analog tuner/capture device. That includes STB channels.
Regarding IR blaster issue, it is very strange that it works in the setup wizard but does not in actual use. Did you try deleting all your STB channels and set them up completely new?
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Hi Yaobbing. Ideally I think I should delete all my previous settings this may help indeed...
How do I do it? (I would have thought the new option under setup "Reset all television settings" would take care of it but it doesn't delete anything...
Just let me know how and I will give it a shot.
Also I've been trying to create different profiles form my 3 ATSC cards (Where I could sepcify different folders)
But it's not letting me...It only creates one for my colossus and another one for ATSC.
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One more thing...
When using the MCE remote and clicking on guide, why doesn't it send me to the TV guide in theater view with the TV still playing in the corner? Why does it pause? If I click on guide, the show I'm watching isn't that good to pause it :)...
To get the TV Guide to show in Theater view I had to change the settings manually..Restoring to default before didn't help as I thought it might have been me messing around with the layout.
thx
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Hi Yaobbing. Ideally I think I should delete all my previous settings this may help indeed...
How do I do it? (I would have thought the new option under setup "Reset all television settings" would take care of it but it doesn't delete anything...
Just let me know how and I will give it a shot.
Check all three checkboxes - remove channels, remove programs, reset all settings.
Also I've been trying to create different profiles form my 3 ATSC cards (Where I could sepcify different folders)
But it's not letting me...It only creates one for my colossus and another one for ATSC.
You can only create one profile for ATSC. You can not specify different folders.
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One more thing...
When using the MCE remote and clicking on guide, why doesn't it send me to the TV guide in theater view with the TV still playing in the corner?
I think there is a little oversight on my part. I had thought of the button as the starting point for starting TV, not after you already started playing it. So we went into the Guide without dealing with the "current selection". That is probably why you do not see a small video window.
Why does it pause? If I click on guide, the show I'm watching isn't that good to pause it :)...
Tools > Options > Theater View > Pause Video Playback when entering Theater View
To get the TV Guide to show in Theater view I had to change the settings manually..Restoring to default before didn't help as I thought it might have been me messing around with the layout.
20.0.86 (3/20/2015)
2. Changed: Guide button on MCE remote control will also work if the Guide in Theater view is part of a custom group named "Television".
20.0.85 (3/19/2015)
8. Changed: MCE remote control "Guide" button switches MC to Theater view Guide if "Guide" is either in its default location (in Video group) or as a root item (parallel to Video).
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Thx for all the Help Yaobbing much appreciated.
Pause as an option, nice! I unchecked it to my preference!
About these two:
2. Changed: Guide button on MCE remote control will also work if the Guide in Theater view is part of a custom group named "Television".
This is what I did but had named it TV...Changing to Television didn't work either..Clicking on guide just does Exactly as if I click on the menu button. Un nesting Guide worked
20.0.87
8. Changed: MCE remote control "Guide" button switches MC to Theater view Guide if "Guide" is either in its default location (in Video group) or as a root item (parallel to Video).
Yes afgter doing the "workaroun" under 7
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What those two changes mean are as follows:
It will work if the Guide is located in the following three ways:
1. Default:
Root > Video > Guide
2. As a root item:
Root > Guide
3. In Television group (Television must be a group, in the root, just like the default Video group):
Root > Television > Guide
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Yaobbing,
I uninstalled MC20.0.87 completely and re-installed to see if it helps...After this very long process I'm still stuck with the same issue(s) of setting up the IR blaster. Testing it in the setup window and it works fine there but...Only there.
When I try to make it work after the setup it doesn't do anything ie no channel change...Please help!!
I really want this to work and willing to help but I keep hitting brick walls every time I try to make TV work with JRiver. NickF in another post really summarizes it well...
Like I said I'm willing to help but help me help you :)
Once this is resolved I need the guide to work for all 4 capture cards...
And then figure out how to make comskip work....Recordings, ANd I would really need to be able to choose from more than just one hard drive!!!
One folder doesn't cut it for me to move from Sage to MC20.
On a positive note I do get image and sound on my Colossus now wtih my STB using HDMI!!! (I wouldn't have sound before even though my config seemed similar before the reinstall...)
Getting there but it's taking years for TV ..(I was hoping for months...:) Again I know you're working hard and I can live with both JRiver and Sage and Audio is still priority #1 for me not TV....
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Back to no sound with my colossus without changing anything...Quick investigation it goes through the DSP eventhough I have bit streaming checked for AC3...
Workks fine for ATSC card but not anymore for the colossus.
It's telling me it's converting 6CH to 2 but I still hear no sound...
Strange...
My setup is ASIO -> Exasound for 2 channel Audio
and PC SPDIF out to my cambridge Receiver for TV and 5.1 Videos, Computer sound etc...
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Guide set-up:
When creating another profile for ATSC (I assume that's what I should be doing..)
The STB guide shows up with its 800 channels...These should not be there.
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Yaobbing,
I uninstalled MC20.0.87 completely and re-installed to see if it helps...After this very long process I'm still stuck with the same issue(s) of setting up the IR blaster. Testing it in the setup window and it works fine there but...Only there.
When I try to make it work after the setup it doesn't do anything ie no channel change...Please help!!
I really want this to work and willing to help but I keep hitting brick walls every time I try to make TV work with JRiver. NickF in another post really summarizes it well...
Like I said I'm willing to help but help me help you :)
Once this is resolved I need the guide to work for all 4 capture cards...
And then figure out how to make comskip work....Recordings, ANd I would really need to be able to choose from more than just one hard drive!!!
One folder doesn't cut it for me to move from Sage to MC20.
On a positive note I do get image and sound on my Colossus now wtih my STB using HDMI!!! (I wouldn't have sound before even though my config seemed similar before the reinstall...)
Getting there but it's taking years for TV ..(I was hoping for months...:) Again I know you're working hard and I can live with both JRiver and Sage and Audio is still priority #1 for me not TV....
This is tough nut to crack.
The only difference that I can think of, between testing in Setup and actually playing a channel, is the delay between blasts setting. Have you tried changing it to different values?
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Guide set-up:
When creating another profile for ATSC (I assume that's what I should be doing..)
The STB guide shows up with its 800 channels...These should not be there.
The channel map window shows all channels. You decide which channel should be matched with which ID. If you use different provider setting for your ATSC channels and your STB channels (for example your "cable line up" for STB, and "Digital Terrestrial Lineup" for ATSC) then you should make sure all ATSC channels do not get any matches when doing "Cable lineup", and STB channels do not get any matchings when doing "Digital Terrestrial lineup". We can not separate them because some users will want to use a single lineup for all channels.
http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=96504.msg665581#msg665581
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Fair enough for the channel set-up...This part seems to be working fine now so that's good.
For the IR blaster delays yes I've played around with these in the setup page and yes it has an impact but since I can only use the blaster there no impact anywhere else...
For the sound my colossus goes through the DSP Engine...My ATSC cards don't (as it should..) Any idea why that is?
Like I said earlier the sound, right after set-up worked....Closed JRiver came back and then no sound... I now have sound but in Stereo through JRiver DSP...But I want AC3 bitstreaming just like ATSC...
I've been looking at the filters but couldn't figure out what to do...ATSC sound does bitstreaming and sent to proper audio device...
Looks like it maybe a setup in the MPEG-2 Demultiplexer but what exactly? No idea....
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While an ATSC channel is playing in MC, please do a right-click > DirectShow Filters > Copy graph info to clipboard... and paste the result here.
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I sent you the 2 filster, the working ATSC and non working Colossus
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What is your video setting? Red October, Red October HQ, or Custom?
Your ATSC graph uses DirectSound audio renderer while your Colossus graph has JRiver audio renderer.
If it is JRiver Audio renderer that is not working, check Tools > Options > Audio settings.
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I'm using Red October Standard with custom settings and AUDIO renderer to my SPDIF mobo soundcard. That's what my Colossus card should be using but for some reason it goes through the JRiver engine eventhough I have Bitstreaming Activated for AC3. All other Video playback including ATSC works fine except this. SO it's not my sound setup
That's my question to you...Why does the filter for the colossus send it through the JRiver engine?? It should just follow how I have it set-up for AC3 and do bitstreaming (Just like the ATSC Card as it is not setup differently in my audio preference!)
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I see. When TV plays in non-time-shifting mode, the audio renderer is always JR Audio Renderer. Only when TV is played in time-shifting mode, it follows Red October settings. It may take a little more work for me to the that part to work correctly. You can try enabling time-shifting for analog tuners in the mean time.
Why do you choose not to use JR Audio Renderer? Do you do that for all your video playback?
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Try RO Std. No custom settings .
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Ah this makes sense as I don't run the colossus in time shifting mode as it would stutter...But I'll try it to see what happens...
Not sure I understand Why would I want the JRiver Engine to tamper with Dolby Digital. I've had this setup for years where I use a USB DAC in ASIO for 2 channel audio + DSD bitstreaming and a different audio renderer for video sound (Dolby digital, DTS or 2 channel audio). It always worked well this way but let me do some tests and report back. So I'll try the ROS no custom as Jim suggested and report back...
Yaobbing what about my IR Blaster issue? Any other tests I can do to help me with this?
Thx guys...We're getting there :)
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I confirm 2 things:
Using ROS standard will bitstream my AC3 sound correctly IF AND ONLY IF I use the Default direct sound with my SPDIF output to receiver.
I also confirm that if I set time-shifting mode for analog device and use my custom Red October setup with a different Audio Renderer it does bypasses the JRiver engine and works fine by sending the AC3 bitstream!!
ROS standard for me is not an option as I need my Exasound DAC to use ASIO and want to keep different audio paths for 2CH audio and Video audio. (One of the beauty of JRiver !!!)
So Yaobbing any way to change this so that it works the same as an ATSC card ie without having to select time shifting mode for my Colossus?
Thx!
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Yaobbing what about my IR Blaster issue? Any other tests I can do to help me with this?
What happens if you try to play an STB channel?
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The post above is analog card = STB
So in a nutshell:
Colossus STB Dolby Digital Passthrough no JRiver (AS wanted) when in Time shifting mode
If not in time shifting as per your previous post it uses the JRiver engine (UNWANTED)
ATSC Cards are fine (No JRiver Engine)
IR BLaster still not working passed the setup window. I can set it all up but it doesn't work eitehr in theater view or into JRiver.
Thx
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What you are saying is when you play an STB channel, MC loads up your Colossus, which plays the video from the STB, but IR does not change the channel. So the initial start up may be in the wrong channel, and subsequent channel change will have not effect?
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Let me ask my questions in a different way.
1. When you start playing a recently setup STB channel, either from the Standard view or from Theater View, does MC play the channel correctly? Correct behavior should be - it loads your Colossus and produce the correct channel on screen. I already know what going on with your audio when you are not running time-shifting. Whether the video shows the correct channel is the important thing. IT emitter should fire the code to set the channel on the STB so you will see the correct channel.
2. What happens when you try to change to another STB channel? The correct behavior should be that Colossus should remain loaded, and the IR emitter fires codes to change channel on the STB. Do you see IR emitter firing?
When you say it does not work, is it 1. or 2. or both that do not work?
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Hi Yaobbing. And hopefully this will make sense to you :)...
Fairly simple: It will not send Blaster codes no matter what I do and where I am in JRiver EXCEPT when I'm in the IR Blaster set-up page. When I hit TEST and enter numbers there it will change channels for my STB. But nowhere else. (Theater view or not...)
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Can you email me a copy of your backup MC library (I will delete it once I finish trouble-shooting this problem). Also send me a copy of your MC settings registry entries. Run RegEdit, navigate to HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\JRiver\Media Center 20, right-click > Export.
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By the way, I am trying to get some detailed info. You keep giving me the same info ("It will not send Blaster codes no matter what I do and where I am in JRiver EXCEPT when I'm in the IR Blaster set-up page").
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All right we'll do. I don't know what more info I can give you. If I did I would in a heartbeat... Hopefully the log files will help. I'll send them to you in a personnal message?:
thx again for the help
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All right we'll do. I don't know what more info I can give you. If I did I would in a heartbeat... Hopefully the log files will help. I'll send them to you in a personnal message?:
thx again for the help
You can try PM. Or you can email to yaobing at jriver dot com
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Can you email me a copy of your backup MC library (I will delete it once I finish trouble-shooting this problem). Also send me a copy of your MC settings registry entries. Run RegEdit, navigate to HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\JRiver\Media Center 20, right-click > Export.
I forgot to mention, please also provide a log file.
Follow these steps:
0. Restart MC.
1. Make sure logging is turned on by going to Help > Logging, and making sure "Output to a log file" checkbox is checked.
2. Play an STB channel.
3. Regardless of the result of step 2, play another STB channel.
4. Go back to Help > Logging and click Report a problem.
The zip file should be small enough (that is why there is a step 0. Restart MC) to be attached to an email message.
The Library backup file could be several MB in size and some email server may not handle it. Let's try email first. If it does not work, you have to use an online file sharing tool.
The settings registry file should be small.
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Thanks for taking the trouble getting those files to me.
They do reveal something that might be related to the problem. When doing the setup, the IR blast test codes seemed to incorrectly blasted to all devices and all ports. When actually the codes are actually deployed, they are blasted only to specified device and port. This could explain the problem you have seen. Double check the port into which the IR emitter is plugged. Did you accidentally plug it into port 2 but think you it was port 1? Try switch to a different port. Even if you plugged into port 1, try switching to port 2 anyway, as I now remember one user actually was able to make it work just by switching the port (in other words, the ports on the device is labeled wrong).
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Hi Yaobing,
Here is what I did...
I unplugged the Blaster from port 1 and connected it to port 2, I tried it during normal usage and guess what...It worked!!!
Then I went back in the setup page to see if it works when connected to port 2 and it doesn't.
So I guess port 1 and 2 are reversed between the JRiver setup and in "Working mode" ?
I also confirm that port 1 is the one selected during my setup.
So now in my case to get it to work properly is to set it all up when connected to port 1 and re-connect to port 2 for normal usage....
Hey...We're going somewhere good stuff!!! Thx!!!
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I am glad we have finally nailed this one.
Some (I think older) devices have ports opposite to other (newer) ones.
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I actually have two other ones but last time I tried these out JRiver didn't seem to recognise them during the blaster setup...I can give these ones a shot if you want...
AND Yes This one is definitely an older one...(From an old Toshiba Media Center laptop...)
Ironically the 2 "HP newer ones" I got from e-bay look exactly the same as the one described on your website but they didn't work..
I'm curious now I'll try them out...
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But it still doesn't quite explain why they're reversed in JRiver setup and usage right?
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But it still doesn't quite explain why they're reversed in JRiver setup and usage right?
For my MCE remote, the ports are not reversed. You may say that I programmed MC according to my device. Whichever is reversed, it does not matter, mine has become the standard :)
Not sure what your question is. Are you asking why it worked in the setup wizard? If that is the question, then the answer is that the wizard had a bug, which made MC to blast codes to all ports instead of the selected port (during testing in the wizard). So, it blasted to both port 1 and port 2, so it does not matter which port you plug the emitter in, it will work. On the other hand, during actual deployment, MC blasted only to the designated port. So if you set the STB channels to use port 1, MC tried to blast to port 1, but it ended up at port 2 due to the reversal of the ports.
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Hi Yaobing,
I guarantee you that this is not what is happening for me. As per my previous post, In the setup it will work on Port 1 (Also Configured as Port 1). But then passed the setup it will only work when I connect it to port 2.
So from what you're saying it should have worked on both the setup page (during testing in the wizard) and normal usage (or deployment as you call it) when I was connected to port 2 and it was not the case for me.
In other words for me it transmits only to my port 1 during the testing wizard and to port 2 afterwards...
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BTW still going through the JRiver engine when not in time shifting mode with the Colossus using 20.0.93...I really believe it should work exactly like an an ATSC card.
Just re-read your post :"Only when TV is played in time-shifting mode, it follows Red October settings".
Any chance to get it to use the Red October settings like the ATSC cards?
thx
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BTW still going through the JRiver engine when not in time shifting mode with the Colossus using 20.0.93...I really believe it should work exactly like an an ATSC card.
Just re-read your post :"Only when TV is played in time-shifting mode, it follows Red October settings".
Any chance to get it to use the Red October settings like the ATSC cards?
thx
I will be working on this. Give me a few days.
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Hi Yaobing,
I guarantee you that this is not what is happening for me. As per my previous post, In the setup it will work on Port 1 (Also Configured as Port 1). But then passed the setup it will only work when I connect it to port 2.
So from what you're saying it should have worked on both the setup page (during testing in the wizard) and normal usage (or deployment as you call it) when I was connected to port 2 and it was not the case for me.
In other words for me it transmits only to my port 1 during the testing wizard and to port 2 afterwards...
I think you misunderstood.
If you were still using build 87, when you were doing test, MC was firing blast on both port 1 and 2, even though you only had the emitter plugged in port 1. That means, even though your ports are switched, you would get the signal.
Now that you are using .93, MC will only fire on the designated port, even in testing. So in your case, if you configure port 1, it should fire on port 2, and vice versa. It should now be consistent, between testing and actual use.
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Sorry Yaobbing, I think YOU misunderstood ;D... Let me try again
In doing the setup...When I was plugged to port 2 the blaster did not work. So in my case with this Older MCE blaster unit it doesn't blast on both ports with 20.0.87 during the test.
So when my ports were switched in 87 during the test, It did not send the signal on port 2.
Anyways I'M not sure this is a big deal but if you want me to re-test with my older blaster unit and 93 let me know...
Now I just left it on port 2 even though configured for port 1 and it works fine past the setup.
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Sorry Yaobbing, I think YOU misunderstood ;D... Let me try again
In doing the setup...When I was plugged to port 2 the blaster did not work. So in my case with this Older MCE blaster unit it doesn't blast on both ports with 20.0.87 during the test.
So when my ports were switched in 87 during the test, It did not send the signal on port 2.
Anyways I'M not sure this is a big deal but if you want me to re-test with my older blaster unit and 93 let me know...
Now I just left it on port 2 even though configured for port 1 and it works fine past the setup.
Now I understand what you are saying clearly. But the whole thing still does not make sense because with build 87 we did send signals to all ports.
That is not important now. At least you can use port 2 pretending that it is port 1.
What is more important is whether you are able to, using build 93, configure either port at will, assuming you switch port 1 and 2. This is important in general, not necessarily for you, because someone may need to set up two STB devices. In such case we need both ports to work.
We already know that if you select port 1 in setup, but actually plug the device in port 2, it works. Right? I hope this is still the case ;D
What happens if you plug the emitter in port 1, but in setup choose port 2? Will that work? If that works, all is well.
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Hi Yaobing,
Glad we finally understand each other on this ! :)
I'll test this out sometime this week. (Not sure when though.)
Thx!
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We already know that if you select port 1 in setup, but actually plug the device in port 2, it works. Right? I hope this is still the case ;D
What happens if you plug the emitter in port 1, but in setup choose port 2? Will that work? If that works, all is well.
@ imeric, maybe your colossus has some internal cross-wiring on the ports :)
After reading this thread I decided to "reactivate" my Colossus. I stopped using it when I cancelled my DirecTV. So I plugged it in, and connected my "Amazon FireTV" to it. I get a picture - but still have a ways to go before I say it is setup.
It is more complicated than I remembered, but this thread is helping me along.
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The IR port issue has nothing to do with Colossus. It is the IR device that is the issue. To use the Colossus without IR setup, i.e. to use it as a capture-only device, to capture video from a video source, just follow the setup wizard to create a capture-only profile.