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More => Old Versions => JRiver Media Center 21 for Windows => Topic started by: Hendrik on March 22, 2016, 05:33:39 am
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Media Center 21 introduces support for natively playing 3D Blu-rays and 3D MKV files. This feature will be available in builds 65 and above.
MC21 uses the 3D decoding in LAV Filters and the 3D rendering in madVR to achieve this.
This will allow 3D Blu-rays and 3D MKV files to be played in full 3D on a 3D TV. Only unmodified 3D Blu-rays or MKV files created from 3D Blu-rays with MakeMKV are supported at this time, other 3D file formats, like Side-by-Side or Over-Under are not supported in this initial version, but may be supported later.
To use 3D playback in Media Center, you need to fullfill the requirements listed here, and follow the setup process outlined below.
If you have any questions regarding the setup, please ask them here, and we'll try to adjust the setup guide as appropriate to make it more clear.
3D video can be send to the TV in different ways. The most common and highest quality is using HDMI 1.4 3D support, otherwise known has HDMI "frame-packed". In this mode, the views for both eyes get send to the TV uncompressed and uncompromised.
For setups which do not support "frame-packed" output, madVR offers alternative options, including the well-known "Side-by-Side" (SBS) mode, "Top-and-Bottom" (also known as Over-Under), and line/column interleaved.
Note that all non-"frame-packed" modes output the image at a reduced resolution, which might compromise image quality or the 3D effect.
Requirements
- Media Center 21 Build 21.0.65 or newer
- Red October HQ and a system capable of running it
- A 3D TV or Projector and matching glasses
Additional Requirements for frame-packed / native 3D output (does not apply to Side-by-Side output)
- HDMI 1.4 and Windows 8.1 or newer
- The system to recognize the TV as 3D (Stereoscopic 3D options in the systems Display Settings dialog)
Note that 3D Decoding is currently not hardware accelerated, so a decent CPU is required.
Setup
- MC Options -> Video
- Video Mode: Set Red October HQ
- Enable 3D Blu-ray and MKV 3D decoding
- madVR settings
- devices -> <your device>
- Set device type appropriately
- properties -> 3D format: auto (for HDMI frame-packed, select any other modes as appropriate)
- rendering -> stereo 3d
- enable stereo 3d playback
- set madVR to enable and disable 2d/3d mode as appropriate
- (only relevant for HDMI frame-packed output)
If madVR is set to automatically enable and disable 3D mode, then simply playing a 3D Blu-ray should switch the TV into 3D mode, otherwise you'll need to switch manually.
Automatic switch is the recommended setup as you can just play a 3D movie without manual intervention, however it has caused issues with a few graphics drivers in the past.
Note that even though we've been working on this feature for a while, its still in a an early stage, and exposure to a large variety of hardware combinations will certainly expose new problems along the way.
Please do report them and we can then try to help resolve them, or make changes in MC, LAV or madVR to improve the playback, if possible.
Known Issues
- On some systems, the 3D effect does not engage properly unless the MC UI is briefly shown, or exclusive mode is used in madVR
- On systems with Intel GPUs, 3D frame-packed output can have the two eyes showing slightly delayed
Unfortunately there is no universal answer to which hardware works best with 3D output, all vendors (AMD/NVIDIA/Intel) have shown problems along the way.
The development discussion about this feature can be found here: Blu-ray and MKV 3D support [Under Development] (http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=102539.0)
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Notes
- On NVIDIA GPUs, make sure to install the 3D Vision driver during the driver installation. No further setup of the 3D Vision features is required, only the driver needs to be installed.
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Media Center 21.0.65 is available now (http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=103957.0) which includes this!
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For anyone who may not know, Hendrik (as nevcairiel) is the author of LAV Filters, and madshi is the author of madVR. LAV and madVR are an essential part of MC video's Red October HQ.
Congratulations and thanks to both.
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I have a couple of questions:
I have a lot of 3D BD movies where I ripped one 2D version and one 3D version (two disks come with the BD). Then I use the file extension "mkv" for the 2D and "mk3d" for the 3D to keep them separated in my Theater View listings.
1) I was planning to have the mk3d format trigger an external program for playback but now I won't need to do this. Do I still need to use the mk3d extensions with the new LAV/madVR versions? Does it matter?
2) I have a couple of 3D movies where the 2D and 3D versions are on the same disk. Do I need to make two separates rips (one 2D and one 3D), or is only file is needed for both formats, and if one file is okay how do I tell MC which type (2D or 3D) I want to watch?
3) You say only "unmodified" 3D Blu-rays or MKV files will work. What is meant by unmodified (is a "movie only" rip still unmodified)?
Thanks for your great work!
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1) I was planning to have the mk3d format trigger an external program for playback. Do I still need to use the mk3d extensions with the new LAV/madVR versions? Does it matter?
The extension makes no difference, although using mk3d will also tag that as such in the File Type column, which might allow categorization in MC.
2) I have a couple of 3D movies where the 2D and 3D versions are on the same disk. Do I need to make two separates rips (one 2D and one 3D), or is only file is needed for both formats, and if one file is okay how do I tell MC which type (2D or 3D) I want to watch?
At the moment you can't tell MC this, other than switching the global Enable 3D option in the Video settings. Still thinking about this.
In theory its fine though, you can just ignore the 3D parts during playback, but as said, not possible other than the global option right now.
3) You say only "unmodified" 3D Blu-rays or MKV files will work. What is meant by unmodified?
Well anything re-encoded or otherwise destructively modified will not work. Anything you can produce with MakeMKV should work, as long as you include the 3D parts in the rip, other MKV editing or muxing tools might not work.
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For anyone who may not know, Hendrik (as nevcairiel) is the author of LAV Filters, and madshi is the author of madVR. LAV and madVR are an essential part of MC video's Red October HQ.
Congratulations and thanks to both.
I also like to say thank you thank you for the great work! Awesome! ;D ;D ;D
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Thanks to our CEO, Matt, Madshi Bob, and Hendrik.
Also thanks to all the beta testers.
George
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I didn't have anything to do with it. It was a Skunk Works project.
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Is there a 3D test clip that anybody knows about where the 3D is super obvious?
I'm playing it at home. I think the 3D might be engaging, but I might also just be seeing the depth from the projected image!
Thanks.
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I have a 3D movie called "IMAX: Under the Sea 3D" which has some outstanding 3D effects. If it is possible to cut a scene (retain the effects) and upload it to file sharing service I would be happy to do it. Otherwise, if nothing else turns up, I recommend you get the movie http://www.amazon.com/IMAX-Under-Single-Disc-Blu-ray-Combo/dp/B00447G2O8
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I have a 3D movie called "IMAX: Under the Sea 3D" which has some outstanding 3D effects. If it is possible to cut a scene (retain the effects) and upload it to file sharing service I would be happy to do it. Otherwise, if nothing else turns up, I recommend you get the movie http://www.amazon.com/IMAX-Under-Single-Disc-Blu-ray-Combo/dp/B00447G2O8
Well I have Avatar in 3D which probably has a lot of good 3D as well.
I'm just not positive as I'm watching if I'm seeing 3D or just seeing the depth that's in the projected image (since that's kind of big right in front of me).
Thanks.
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I've ripped all of my Blurays (both 2D and 3D) with AnyDVD HD to BDMV folder structures as this allows me to play them in both JRiver and on my Oppo Bluray players (with full menus on the Oppo's). Should I expect my ripped 3D movies to play in 3D with this new feature or do I need to re-rip them to another format (such as MKV)?
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I've ripped all of my Blurays (both 2D and 3D) with AnyDVD HD to BDMV folder structures as this allows me to play them in both JRiver and on my Oppo Bluray players (with full menus on the Oppo's). Should I expect my ripped 3D movies to play in 3D with this new feature or do I need to re-rip them to another format (such as MKV)?
This should work as long as its just a plain 1:1 rip and the 3D information is preserved.
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This should work as long as its just a plain 1:1 rip and the 3D information is preserved.
Excellent, I'll need to give this a try. Nice work on this!
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I downloaded three sample videos today.
One plays great and the 3D is alive! That's awesome.
The other two play in side-by-side mode.
Is there any way to tell Media Center to engage the 3D logic on those files so the side-by-side switches to normal (but 3D) display?
Thanks.
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I didn't have anything to do with it. It was a Skunk Works project.
You are pulling my feet again, <grin> I hope one day, it will be available for linux.
Thanks, thanks thanks.
George
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Is there any way to tell Media Center to engage the 3D logic on those files so the side-by-side switches to normal (but 3D) display?
No, you would need to switch your TV/Projector into SBS mode manually. Maybe later, but only if the file is properly tagged as SBS in metadata - which likely no files you get from the Internet actually are.
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3D is working great on my laptop. I thought it might be under powered but apparently not.
It has 3000 JR Benchmark and NVIDEA 540M.
Thanks a lot.
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I already asked this in the main forum, but JimH asked me to post it here. I have to add however that my 1st question is not about 3D.
Although I am a long time user of MC (17 and 18) I didn't upgrade until today. Today I did, particularly because the latest build of MC 21 supports (3D) blu-ray playback. Until now I used TMT for blu-ray's including 3D ones.
I am still a bit confused about how to use MC for blu-ray's however, which I have on my pc in folder structure and iso's and have the following questions:
1) Do I understand it correctly that, to start playback from blu-ray folders, I HAVE to import them in the library ?
2) I configured MC 21 for 3D playback according to the instructions found here. When I start a 3D blu-ray (a full 3D) it starts however in SBS mode. Am I doing somehing wrong ?
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Tried this for the first time today.
My 3D movies start playing in SBS mode, and MadVR doesn't seem to kick the display card into stereo 3D mode. If I manually enable stereoscopic 3D in the nVidia control panel, the TV identifies playback as 3D, but the picture is still SBS.
I am using a GTS450, but can soon upgrade to a GTX960 is that will help?
I'll also try it on my other HTPC connected to my 3D projector.
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1) Do I understand it correctly that, to start playback from blu-ray folders, I HAVE to import them in the library ?
I don't think that should necessarily be required, no.
2) I configured MC 21 for 3D playback according to the instructions found here. When I start a 3D blu-ray (a full 3D) it starts however in SBS mode. Am I doing somehing wrong ?
My 3D movies start playing in SBS mode, and MadVR doesn't seem to kick the display card into stereo 3D mode. If I manually enable stereoscopic 3D in the nVidia control panel, the TV identifies playback as 3D, but the picture is still SBS.
If you configured the 3D format in madVR as "auto", and you still get SBS, then it doesn't recognize your TV/Projector as 3D capable.
See the additional requirements for HDMI 3D frame-packed in the first post in this thread. In particular, if Windows doesn't see your display as 3D capable, then neither will MC/madVR.
Specifically, Windows needs to show this checkbox, which means it recognizes it as 3D:
(http://i.imgur.com/TnJ8HWJ.png)
And as outlined in the requirements above, this only works on Windows 8.1 or Windows 10, and with a full HDMI 1.4 chain, ie. GPU, Receiver (if any), and TV.
On NVIDIA GPUs, you might need to install the 3D vision components. I'm not sure if we ever came to a clear conclusion if they are required to be installed, but I just always install them anyway since they come with the driver, so.. (you don't need to setup 3D vision in the nvidia control panel though)
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Thanks for the additional/repeat information, Hendrik.
I was able to get 3d mode kicking in on the TV, but video from MC still came up as SBS. I'll go back and read each step carefully.
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Thanks guys for the excellent work. Is it possible to swap the eye view. Most of my 3D discs are left right however the Hobbit is right left.
Also, the 3D at the start and end of the Despicable Me movies is fab. Really pops out of the screen.
John
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Thanks guys for the excellent work. Is it possible to swap the eye view. Most of my 3D discs are left right however the Hobbit is right left.
madVR has an option to swap it on the device properties page, just need to remember to unswap it after.
If you play straight from the Blu-ray, it should automatically use the correct eye-order however, for ripped MKVs, you would need to re-rip with a future MakeMKV version or set this metadata manually in the file.
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Thanks Hendrik. Any chance of an mcc command in future so I can assign it to a button on ma remote.
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Thanks Hendrik. Any chance of an mcc command in future so I can assign it to a button on ma remote.
Not likely. Its a madVR setting, not a MC setting.
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Hendrik, thanks for your reply (#22) to my reply #20.
My NVidia Geforce GTX460 is connected with HDMI to my TV via my AVR and my display shows with the name of my AVR in NVidia Control Panel. The AVR is not 3D however
I don't see the "Enable Stereoscopic 3D...." checkbox, but even not when I connect the GPU directly to my TV which is 3D for sure. I installed the 3D vision components btw.
I assume that the main problem is that my AVR is not 3D ?
However when I play a 3D blu-ray with TMT (what I did until my upgrade to MC21) with my setup I get full 3D.
Does this mean that I cannot get full 3D with MC and that I will have to continue using TMT for that purpose ? Or is there a workaround ?
I have another question btw, about configuring madVR. Under devices I see of course also my AVR (Yamaha RX-V863) and I have checked "Receiver" as device type. After doing so I also see "display connected to Yamaha RX-V863" under devices and when I click on that I see device name with the same name. But what should I check there for device type, Receiver or Digital Monitor/TV ?
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Most proprietary 3D players use vendor-specific APIs to output 3D, which works quite differently and has different requirements, so unfortunately PowerDVD or TMT working isn't really much of a sign of anything, Sorry! :(
madVR uses Direct3D 11.1 for 3D output, a vendor-agnostic API, and therefor only one instead of three different ones, which has some stricter requirements, like using Windows 8.1/10, and proper display driver support.
It is a possibility that the 400-series NVIDIA cards are too old, I don't know.
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O.K. I will keep using TMT then for the occasional 3D playback.
But what about my question about the configuration of madVR. Could you answer that ? Thanks in advance.
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"display connected to Yamaha RX-V863" should be rather clear, shouldn't it? Thats your TV of course, so set it to the type of the display.
Please keep this thread to 3D related discussion, however.
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"display connected to Yamaha RX-V863" should be rather clear, shouldn't it?
Sorry, I was a bit confused. Probably not awake enough. Now that I look at again it is very clear.
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All good with this release for me. I've both a Plasma 3D TV and and 3D PJ. FYI - Unfortunately my TV using RF and my PJ IR for the 3D glasses so I purchased some "universal" glasses of e-bay that would do both, and why the work... they are ordinary. Hard to get them to initially sync and I get ghosting where the originals glasses look great. You get what you pay for I guess.
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I am glad to report that this weekend 3D worked on first try. Windows 10 on an i5, ATI HD7700 driving an Optoma HD25e projector.
- ran full updates on Windows 10
- installed latest ATI Crimson drivers
- made sure Stereoscopic 3D option in the system Display Settings dialog was on
- installed JR 21.65
- followed instructions on first post.
No hiccups, no drama, it just worked :)
I can finally retire Stereoscopic Player, JRiver is truly my one stop shop !
The last piece of the puzzle for me would be to have the player overlay correctly displayed when I put the TV/PJ in SBS or OU mode...
As I don't think the embedded metadata of those files (SBS/OU) is reliable, if present at all, maybe a new library tag could be introduced ?
For example, when a file with tag [3D Info]="3D SBS" is currently playing, the JR player overlay could be shown in SBS ?
This would be icing on the cake ;D
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I can confirm that 3D Bluray's ripped to BDMV folder structures with AnyDVD HD will play back properly in 3D with this new feature. The only one I've tried so far is my 3D copy of Avatar.
I'm having a problem though where either JRiver or the PC gets stuck in 3D mode after playing a 3D movie. The only way I seem to be able to get out of 3D mode is to switch the JRiver video mode away from red october HQ and then back.
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Does recent Nvidia gards still require I purchase the additional 3DTV Play software to make this work? I'm getting a new graphics card, and the Nvidia GTX 900 seriea cards seem better than the equivalent AMD cards with regards to noise (fans don't spin up at all during HTPC use) and price/performance. If I need to get the 3DTV Play software, I'll have to add $40 to all Nvidia card prices when I compare...
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Does recent Nvidia gards still require I purchase the additional 3DTV Play software to make this work? I'm getting a new graphics card, and the Nvidia GTX 900 seriea cards seem better than the equivalent AMD cards with regards to noise (fans don't spin up at all during HTPC use) and price/performance. If I need to get the 3DTV Play software, I'll have to add $40 to all Nvidia card prices when I compare...
No extra software is required.
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Okay, just to make sure...in this forum thread over at the Nvidia forums a Nvidia representative says that the 3DTV Play software has to be installed to activate 3D support for Nvidia cards. So has this changed since the thread was posted in 2013 then? Can anyone who's running a Nvidia card confirm that this works without 3DTV Play installed?
https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/555242/3d-vision/3dtv-play-what-exactly-are-the-facts-/2/
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I have a nVidia Card and it is not needed with the method that MC uses (but is needed for the method that stereoscopic was using).
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Thanks!
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All good with this release for me. I've both a Plasma 3D TV and and 3D PJ. FYI - Unfortunately my TV using RF and my PJ IR for the 3D glasses so I purchased some "universal" glasses of e-bay that would do both, and why the work... they are ordinary. Hard to get them to initially sync and I get ghosting where the originals glasses look great. You get what you pay for I guess.
Greetings:
If you have multiple displays with IR/RF, you will need Xpand x104 glasses, then a dongle with USB port will attach this to the X104. I just got 8 of these dongles in, now I can use the RF in them to connect to my Sony XBR75X850C, hopefully it will connect to the Samsung JU65 7100 2015 tvs.
The Xpand web site is down now, I got e-mail from VP of marketing, the site will be up by Monday, then this will allow me to update to the 2015 displays.
I will keep you posted.
I have the e-mail address if you are interested in buying the $40.00 dongles to mate with the X104 "Youniversal".
The X104 is also very sturdy, not easily breakable, it is also rechargeable.
In the past, i or we have broken many 3D glasses stems , now we settle for a very reliable well built make.
George
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Thanks George, I'll have a read when their site is back up next week.
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Specifically, Windows needs to show this checkbox, which means it recognizes it as 3D:
(http://i.imgur.com/TnJ8HWJ.png)
And as outlined in the requirements above, this only works on Windows 8.1 or Windows 10, and with a full HDMI 1.4 chain, ie. GPU, Receiver (if any), and TV.
On NVIDIA GPUs, you might need to install the 3D vision components. I'm not sure if we ever came to a clear conclusion if they are required to be installed, but I just always install them anyway since they come with the driver, so.. (you don't need to setup 3D vision in the nvidia control panel though)
I don't have the option shown above, so there must be some other NVidia component I need. I have the GTX750Ti on Win10 x64 (latest NVidia drivers).
I'll check the NVidia site for the 3D Vision components. Would these normally download with the driver update - or does one always need to manually download it?
I can get 3D to play from a ripped BD (movie only) to mkv, but it shows as a SBS and then I have to use my TV's (Samsung PDP64F8500) remote to switch 3D on and select SBS, and again turn off SBS when it the movie is over. BTW my TV "3D options" only lists "OFF, SBS, O/U, and 2Dto3D". There is no "framepacked" selection. Also, when I play a physical 3D movie from my BD player, the TV does recognize it and switches to the 3D mode correctly, so I suppose I still have something wrong with my HTPC settings.
UPDATE: I checked NVidia site and "3D Vision" drivers are not available for Win10, also the "3DTV Play" software Jmone mentioned has to be bought (so that's out). I'll keep looking/testing.
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I don't have the option shown above, so there must be some other NVidia component I need. I have the GTX750Ti on Win10 x64 (latest NVidia drivers).
I'll check the NVidia site for the 3D Vision components. Would these normally download with the driver update - or does one always need to manually download it?
I can get 3D to play from a ripped BD (movie only) to mkv, but it shows as a SBS and then I have to use my TV's (Samsung PDP64F8500) remote to switch 3D on and select SBS, and again turn off SBS when it the movie is over. BTW my TV "3D options" only lists "OFF, SBS, O/U, and 2Dto3D". There is no "framepacked" selection. Also, when I play a physical 3D movie from my BD player, the TV does recognize it and switches to the 3D mode correctly, so I suppose I still have something wrong with my HTPC settings.
UPDATE: I checked NVidia site and "3D Vision" drivers are not available for Win10, also the "3DTV Play" software Jmone mentioned has to be bought (so that's out). I'll keep looking/testing.
Your TV is not detected as 3D capable so that's why you don't see the option. That TV definitely supports frame packed 3D. Have you connected the TV through a receiver that also supports HDMI 1.4A 3D frame packing? If its an older receiver it wont support frame packing, or it may hide the fact your TV can do 3D. HDMI should handshake and share the 3D capability information from your TV to the AVR through to your video card, but sometimes they don't report correctly. You could maybe force a new EDID with a new monitor driver or find a setting to do with HDMI in the TV or AVR that will allow 2way communication.
Assuming you have an AVR in the chain...... if so you could also try connecting the tv directly to the video card to confirm if your TV is detected properly. If its not that, its probably just bad EDID info from the TV.
That's about all I can come up with as a suggestion.
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Thanks for your suggestions. The AVR is a 2016 Denon AVR-X4200W (which is 2.0 HDMI and 2.2 HDCP). Just bought and hooked it up this weekend.
I'll try a direct connection and see if that helps.
UPDATE: I downloaded and installed the latest NVidia drivers. During the install it said I did not have 3D Vision installed. This time I made sure it was installed. Now I have 3D working! Sort of.
I still need to test it but at least I'm a step closer.
All the mkv BD 3D movie rips start as Side-by-Side so I have to grab the TV remote and manually switch to SBS. I'm going to try to rip a 3d BD to "folder" and see if that plays as a framepacked. I'll report back on whether or not this works.
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I have this working pretty good now.
Here's what I did in madVR setup.
madVR settings:
1) In Display Properties>3D format: Auto.
2) In Rendering>General Settings: enable Windows Overlay. (do not use Full screen Exclusive)
3) In Rendering>Stereo 3d: enable stereo 3d playback. Check "when playing 2d content: enable os...". Check "when playing 3d content: enable os...". Ckeck "restore os stereo on 3d when player closed".
I am not starting playback in SBS now. Seems to jump right to full screen 3D. I've only messed with (tested) this for a couple of hours, so there may be some unknown issues - but so far it looks/works great.
UPDATE: JRiver should update the Wiki here https://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Blu-ray so Users will know 3D works!
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Thanks George, I'll have a read when their site is back up next week.
Xpand X104LX1 and the RF/BT dongle in use here.
Have you updated the driver for your xpand?
David sent me a zipped update, installed and now I can update my pairs.
I noticed that most of my ripped mkv 3Ds.. more than 70 BDs just failed to load. I have had hard drive failures/corruption in the past.
I just finished re-ripping them today, and I must report that every one loads well with no problem.
Since I have many Xpand pairs, I tried setting 3 profiles, one for Sony, one for Panasonic and general profile for any TV with RF protocol.
The Sony profile, I will test tomorrow, but the Panasonic profile worked very well with the Sony tv.
Also my 2011 Mitsubishi, tested with the Samsung/Mitsu profile, I was not able to get the Mitsu to connect, same with the Samsung 2015 4k/3D tv.
So far, only the Sony Mbr x 75 850c tv connects easily.
My only problem with the connected Sony tv is that I see pixel on the screen, screen buffers a lot. It looks like the screen is tearing, maybe due to the fact that we do not have hardware acceleration yet.
Testing will continue for another day or two.
If you need the new driver, send me a PM, I will find a way to FA to you. It is only 3meg+ in size.
Thanks.
George
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Yesterday I upgraded to Win 10 so that I could try 3D in MC. The hardest part of the ordeal was getting enough space on my 60G C: drive. I did need to reinstall MC. After that was done I followed the directions at the top of the thread and it worked! I am using an Nvidia 750ti and didn't need to install anything extra. I think I did need to enable 3D in the Nvidia settings... can't remember now.
Overall it was easy. I'm really happy this is working. Thanks team.
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From this threat: http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=104466.0
Some users are having issues with TVs and projectors not restoring refresh rates after quitting a 3d Movie. One user had a JVC projector, and I have a Mitsubishi DLP. My desktop stays at 23 hz when it is supposed to go back to 60, and my overscan adjustments get rest when I use 3D in JRiver.
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From this threat: http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=104466.0
Some users are having issues with TVs and projectors not restoring refresh rates after quitting a 3d Movie. One user had a JVC projector, and I have a Mitsubishi DLP. My desktop stays at 23 hz when it is supposed to go back to 60, and my overscan adjustments get rest when I use 3D in JRiver.
See my post (#34) in this thread for another report of the same. I've found that if I play 2D video, it will switch back out of 3D mode.
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I have to restart my machine entirely. I haven't played around with it too much but I do remember a few times where it restored the screen correctly. It glitches as I have described it so often that I end up with a headache, and work on something else. Has anyone heard any mention of a possible fix or patch?
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Mine seems to switch to a stereoscopic 3d, projector doesn't change mode to 3d, I have tried all the suggestions, I change some settings and it plays a full blu ray as side by side and I have to change the mode on the projector. I cannot get frame packed to work. The 3d option is showing in display properties.
Was working fine in my old PC which had any AMD graphics card. New PC has a Nvidia card.
Any ideas guys ?
thanks
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I tried it with build .76 and both TV and projector were very jumpy before MC stopped responding. Using Windows 10 Pro with Intel Iris GFX. Went back to Stereoscopic Player for now.
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Any update on this feature yet?
Thanks.
George
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I tried it with build .76 and both TV and projector were very jumpy before MC stopped responding. Using Windows 10 Pro with Intel Iris GFX. Went back to Stereoscopic Player for now.
you've captured my experience with Intel 5100 chipset :)
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so if i were to purchase an nvidia card because intel gpu does not work what nvidia card should i buy?
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I was wondering about this too. Would the GT 730 be sufficient for MadVR+3D output?
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How about one of these high performance, low power cards, like http://www.anandtech.com/show/10237/evga-releases-geforce-gtx-950-low-power-graphics-cards-with-75w-tdp
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How about one of these high performance, low power cards, like http://www.anandtech.com/show/10237/evga-releases-geforce-gtx-950-low-power-graphics-cards-with-75w-tdp
well, does it work with JRiver :)
low power is fine - have no intention of gaming (enough consoles for that role)
on the other hand, I would like to hear from JRiver whether or not they intend to fix the intel issue - it is after all an incredibly common GPU series, and Kodi seems to be able to support it for frame-packed 3D pretty fine. i'd rather save the money honestly and pay for a new license of JRiver instead ;)
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bump.
anyone from the jriver team confirm any plans to address 3D playback issues on intel GPUs?
thanks
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MadVR isn't developed by JRiver so I wouldn't necessarily expect much of a response from them. The main thread is on Doom9 where madshi helps people troubleshoot. You might find info there. If it's a LAV problem, then that's a different story.
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See my post (#34) in this thread for another report of the same. I've found that if I play 2D video, it will switch back out of 3D mode.
I have this same issue where my display will not switch back to normal desktop settings for 1080p/60. Even if I go into nvidia control panel and switch it, it will revert back to 3D. It will switch to desktop settings if I play a 2D video, but that is annoying. I have tried different settings in madvr 3d settings, but nothing seems to fix this issue. Auto switch from 3d to 2d works fine in powerdvd 15 so I suppose i will need to continue using this until this feature is fixed.
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Hello.
Could you tell me how to properly configure the Settings madVR Options player JRiver 23 to playback multichannel audio and video files of various formats (ISO Blu ray 3D, BDMV m2ts, ISO mds), including 3D video.
I have an AV receiver connected to the PC Windows 8.1 via HDMA 1.4a cable, with 5.1 speakers, and TV 55 inch connected via HDMA 1.4a cable to watch 3D videos; also, a monitor 22 inch connected via HDMA 1.3 cable to the PC to listen to multi-channel and stereo music.
At the moment I use different media players for different types of files (TMT, VLC etc.); however, I want to use one player – JRiver 23, to play all types of media files.
I have tried to change the settings of JRiver 23 to be able to playback all types of media files, but it doesn’t open all ISO Blu ray 3D movies with multichannel sound and multichannel music, which can be opened (playback) by other players. JRiver 23 either shows an error "something went wrong, adjust settings the audio output DSP format" or my PC freezes and the image is distorted.
1 – Please explain what does this error message mean?
2 – How to return the settings to the factory default setting? (madVR options player JRiver 23)
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For me this feature is still not working, however I fulfill all the requirements described in this thread to playback "frame-packed" 3d files output by makeMKV.
According to madVR report window, it gets 2D source from JRiver whatever I do.
My system includes: Nvidia GTX 1080Ti, I5 processor, 16GByte RAM, Windows 10 64-bit, latest JRiver 32-bit version, LG C6V HDR 3D Passive TV.
The problem here is that according to madVR JRiver provides only the 2D part of the mkv and madVR handles that accordingly through my custom profiles so only the avc part is being rendered all the time.
Please help.
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What version of MC are you using?
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23.00.91
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Are you running MC's Red October HQ (video setting)?
Try re-reading the first post carefully.
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Yes, I do with my a bit modified own madvr profiles.
My sources are correctly created using makeMKV. madVR doesn't get 3D data because it assigns a 2D profile to the decoded source coming from JRiver.
The profiles are correctly created because they are working flawlessly for SD, and HD res. For 3D sources madVR uses the same profile as for the 2D BD-s.
When I asked madshi about that, he told the problem was that madVR got only the 2D part from the decoder for rendering.
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Don't modify madVR. Just use Red October HQ unmodified.
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Yes, I do with my a bit modified own madvr profiles.
My sources are correctly created using makeMKV. madVR doesn't get 3D data because it assigns a 2D profile to the decoded source coming from JRiver.
The profiles are correctly created because they are working flawlessly for SD, and HD res. For 3D sources madVR uses the same profile as for the 2D BD-s.
When I asked madshi about that, he told the problem was that madVR got only the 2D part from the decoder for rendering.
Have you created a 3D profile in MadVR? I can't remember the logic to make it switch (not on my home PC) but I've got it working.
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Yes, I have my own "3D" profile determined otherwise 3D rendering is not working at all even in MPC-HC.
It took 1 hour for me last time to recreate the required modifications in madVR.
I have already reported the issue to madshi because all the players I have behaves a bit differently using the same settings in madVR.
Anyway, in MPC-HC, with exactly the same madVR settings used (only madVR version is different the settings are the same) frame-packed 3D can be rendered correctly.
So, I am pretty sure that from JRiver madVR doesn't get 3D data, however, I ticked the relating option in JRiver.
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So, I am pretty sure that from JRiver madVR doesn't get 3D data, however, I ticked the relating option in JRiver.
I don't really know what that means. Can you play a 3D bluray?
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Correctly only in mpc-hc. Using JRiver with exactly the same profiles not.
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Using JRiver with exactly the same profiles not.
Well, others and myself have absolutely no problem in doing so. You seem to be suggesting that JRiver has some sort of design issue regarding 3D. If that were the case then you'd presume that it would never work, for anyone.
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I told you my experiences after several hours of testing with the system I have. It is not my job to find out why JRiver behaves like that with my system. I will use the most convenient way, like you and the others did as well I assume.
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We can't really offer support for drastically customized madVR profiles, since they can vary quite a bunch. If you're having trouble, revert to default settings and follow the instructions in the first post (without changing anything else).
One thing important to note, Media Center will only decode the 3D part when 3D is turned in on madVR (rendering -> stereo 3d -> enable stereo 3d playback). This is done so that 3D files will decode as proper 2D on 2D systems without any performance degradation (which you would have if you were to always decode 3D, even if unwanted).
This means for people with complex profile setups that this particular option needs to be enabled in all profiles (or at the very least in the default profile, which ever that may be), since when MC checks the option, the 3D profile quite definitely won't be active yet. I would generally recommend to keep that particular option out of the profiles.
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I told you my experiences after several hours of testing with the system I have. It is not my job to find out why JRiver behaves like that with my system. I will use the most convenient way, like you and the others did as well I assume.
It's certainly not my job to work out why it doesn't work for you either! ;D
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Thanks to Nevcairiel it works with my own profiles with the restrictions I can easily live with until solved by new drivers, OS updates:
In a 3D profile I had to use these general settings separated from the 2D ones to display 3D correctly:
"use Direct3D 11 for presentation..." enabled
"automatic fullscreen exclusive mode" enabled
In a 2D profile I had to use these general settings separated from the 3D ones to display 2D correctly::
"use Direct3D 11 for presentation..." disabled
"automatic fullscreen exclusive mode" disabled
So, I have to handle separately the "general settings" in madvr to have my rig work correctly. But now it works as expected. :)
I am using a common "stereo 3d" settings as advised by Nevcairiel. Thank you very much!
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It's certainly not my job to work out why it doesn't work for you either! ;D
Yes. :)