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Title: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on July 08, 2016, 06:54:04 pm
Note: Instructions are at the bottom of this post.  You need to have MC 23 installed and running (either MC or Media Server).  Media Network must be turned on in MC settings. 

JRiver Media Center runs a web server that you can connect to with Panel.  You connect to it from a browser on port 52199. 

Panel is a very exciting new feature.  Synergy is a great word to describe it.  The whole is greater than the sum of the parts.

[Edit: This feature has been extended and improved in MC23.]

Here's are some screenshots from October, 2017:

(http://www.pix01.com/gallery/8D12431D-7EA0-495D-9EA2-775091458CB9/Panel_Screenshots/2122819090.jpg) (http://www.pix01.com/gallery/8D12431D-7EA0-495D-9EA2-775091458CB9/Panel_Screenshots/212281909_orig0.jpg)

(http://www.pix01.com/gallery/8D12431D-7EA0-495D-9EA2-775091458CB9/Panel_Screenshots/2122819091.jpg) (http://www.pix01.com/gallery/8D12431D-7EA0-495D-9EA2-775091458CB9/Panel_Screenshots/212281909_orig1.jpg)

(http://www.pix01.com/gallery/8D12431D-7EA0-495D-9EA2-775091458CB9/Panel_Screenshots/2122819092.jpg) (http://www.pix01.com/gallery/8D12431D-7EA0-495D-9EA2-775091458CB9/Panel_Screenshots/212281909_orig2.jpg)

More screenshots (http://pix01.com/TF1%405V)

Panel on a phone (http://www.pix01.com/gallery/8D12431D-7EA0-495D-9EA2-775091458CB9/Panel_on_a_Phone/)

It works with a computer, a phone, or a tablet.  It uses HTML5 to do some cool stuff.

The web page in the screenshot is generated by MC and it brings together many of the client apps that we've built.  It builds on work we've done over the years, and on a lot of recent work by most members of the team.  It looks simple, but it isn't.

Panel is a suite of apps in one location, a smart web app that's easy to use.  It provides direct access to apps that you may have used or heard about:  WebGizmo, WebPlay, WebRemote, Engen (http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?board=48.0), and MC.

It's friendly.  Point and click (or touch).  Something happens.

The settings icon provides remote access to the JRiver Id settings now and will give you access to some of MC's settings in the future.

The + icon leads to more apps.

Panel will be expanded to include other apps.  It will always be the easy to find launch point.

Demonstration
A demonstration of Panel is here:

Id Outside (https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,112181.0.html)

Instructions
Media Center 23 (or higher) or Media Server must be installed and running.  Media Network must be turned on in MC settings. 

You can open Panel from a web browser by entering this URL:

http://[IP_Address]:52199  (changing [IP_Address] to your own IP address)  Example: http://192.168.0.13:52199

localhost:52199 will do the same thing when the browser is running on the same machine as MC.

Alternatively

You can access Panel with the Access Key from your server by browsing to this URL:

https://jriver.com/panel.html

Enter your access key, select your playback location, and click connect.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: Hilton on July 10, 2016, 09:19:53 am
nice one!
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: astromo on July 11, 2016, 09:03:48 am
It uses HTML5 to do some cool stuff.

Gotta love cool stuff.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on July 11, 2016, 11:05:29 am
This project has its roots in the Pretty Face (http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=99290.0) discussion from last year.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: Castius on July 11, 2016, 01:42:32 pm
I like the star background it makes em feel the sky's the limit. 8)

You mentioned "It's friendly.  Point and click (or touch)"
I'm curious how remote control friendly fits into that.
Are there any thoughts about how those two world collide?

Thanks
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on July 11, 2016, 01:59:57 pm
What do you mean by "remote control friendly"?
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: jgreen on July 11, 2016, 03:37:50 pm
Congrats, JimH!  Sky's the limit!!
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: jachin99 on July 11, 2016, 03:42:16 pm
What do you mean by "remote control friendly"?

Can you assign a button on a point and click remote to perform the same actions that would take place when pressing any given icon on a touchscreen
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: Hendrik on July 11, 2016, 03:53:36 pm
Can you assign a button on a point and click remote to perform the same actions that would take place when pressing any given icon on a touchscreen

Its a web interface, so its not inherently designed for remotes. You could probably get something setup using various custom remote control mapping tools.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: mattkhan on July 11, 2016, 04:31:37 pm
Its a web interface, so its not inherently designed for remotes. You could probably get something setup using various custom remote control mapping tools.
do buttons map 1:1 to REST api calls?
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: Hendrik on July 11, 2016, 04:34:37 pm
do buttons map 1:1 to REST api calls?

Everything is powered by MCWS of course, although there is a bunch of JavaScript magic and whatnot to make everything act nicely.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: jachin99 on July 11, 2016, 09:45:43 pm
Im not very good with developer lingo but could you associate mcc commands into the web server and assign button presses to execute said mcc commands.  The latter i believe is already possible with event ghost
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: rpalmer68 on July 11, 2016, 10:56:13 pm
I'd like to see something like this on my tablet so eventually I might be able to replace my remote control with "The Panel"

Press the "Media Centre" button and the TV and Amp turn on, and select the correct inputs and away we go.... 

If The Panel can send commands to external application like Girder ( I assume via MC running on the same PC) then in theory it should all be possible.

Richard



Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on July 12, 2016, 06:50:10 am
Im not very good with developer lingo but could you associate mcc commands into the web server and assign button presses to execute said mcc commands.  The latter i believe is already possible with event ghost
The Panel app isn't customizeable, but you could probably build your own menu.  Both MC and Engen have REST interfaces.  The MCWS documentation on the DevZone page should get you started with MC.  Please start a new topic for help.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JonnyRedHed on July 12, 2016, 04:08:48 pm
Maybe some curves to those square menu boxes. Additionally maybe a little 3d depth. A slightly hyper large soft aliased rounded font.  Maybe like the larger soft google font.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: AndrewFG on July 12, 2016, 04:37:04 pm
Small bug: The Panel web page displays the title "MC 21" in the browser tab (as opposed to "MC 22")
Bigger bug: The Panel Settings cog wheel displays an empty page (iPad Safari)

Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on July 12, 2016, 05:44:08 pm
Windows setup isn't hooked up yet.  It's only working for the Id.  We needed it there because some people want to run it headless when possible.

Maybe next week it will be partially working on the Windows version.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on July 12, 2016, 06:28:53 pm
I'd like to see something like this on my tablet so eventually I might be able to replace my remote control with "The Panel"

Press the "Media Centre" button and the TV and Amp turn on, and select the correct inputs and away we go.... 

If The Panel can send commands to external application like Girder ( I assume via MC running on the same PC) then in theory it should all be possible.
The Lighting item on the menu links to Engen, if installed.  In Engen, you can turn switches on and off.  I have my receiver and TV plugged into a Z-Wave power strip.  A single click can turn both on.

What you're thinking about is more or less where we're going.

The discussion we had at work was partly about this scenario:

Man arrives at house.  Engen recognizes presence.  Opens garage door, unlocks the house, turns on lights if needed, starts a little music.

This obviously requires a lot of logic.  We have the ability to flip all the switches now.  We just need to add the logic and the user interface.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: A.K. on July 13, 2016, 07:24:10 am
Looks very promising :) That could be just perfect for novice users, without fear of accidentally messing up settings or filenames.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: Castius on July 13, 2016, 11:42:43 am
Hitting launch for lighting panel does not use JRiver configured port. So it doesn't open
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: marko on July 13, 2016, 11:43:55 am
Man arrives at house.  Engen recognizes presence.  Opens garage door, unlocks the house, turns on lights if needed, starts a little music.

This obviously requires a lot of logic.  We have the ability to flip all the switches now.  We just need to add the logic and the user interface.
Don't forget the default, hard coded WAF mode...

Wife/Partner arrives at house. Engen recognizes presence. Unlocks the house, turns on lights in kitchen, if needed, turns on oven.

This obviously requires not a lot of logic.  We have the ability to flip all the switches now.  We just need to add the logic and don't need the user interface.

:D
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on July 13, 2016, 12:40:10 pm
Hitting launch for lighting panel does not use JRiver configured port. So it doesn't open
It requires Engen to be running.  That's only available on the beta board for Engen.  Let me know if you want to help out there.  You would need some Z-Wave equipment.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: Castius on July 13, 2016, 01:21:32 pm
Ahh i see. I think i will i'l let you know when they get here.

In regards to the remote control support.
Yes i was referring to supporting the basic up down left right ok logic in there UI.

So even if you don't support it directly. At least UI by design can supports the workflow.
I can try to find a way to use a plugin to control a web site.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: hoyt on July 13, 2016, 02:23:30 pm
This project has its roots in the Pretty Face (http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=99290.0) discussion from last year.

Very nice.  Excited to see where this goes. 

Is the vision for this to replace Theatre View?  I am concerned about the comment that it's not customizable.  Perhaps I'm taking that too literally.  Will we build menu support, like Theatre View, Standard View, Gizmo Views, etc?  Thanks!
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: Castius on July 13, 2016, 03:38:18 pm
Something like this
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/mediaremote/gedcefoonkhpifmebflhmfdgahnhnbpg

or even better
http://chromemote.com/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ok0egjv3eCk
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on July 13, 2016, 07:02:34 pm
More current pictures:

http://www.pix01.com/gallery/8D12431D-7EA0-495D-9EA2-775091458CB9/MC22_Web_Interface_Apps/

The second picture is of the Settings Page.  It's only functional for the JRiver Id at this time.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: Hilton on July 13, 2016, 07:29:49 pm
Our vigilant web screening firewall classified that pic as p.o.r.n. ;)

I guess you could call it that. ;)

Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on July 13, 2016, 08:30:38 pm
Good to know you're safe. ;)
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: mikek200 on July 14, 2016, 07:54:23 pm
OK,tried to download the link for the "panel" ,Jim sent me back over here...tried to open the http://IP_ADD8SS1:52100 from my web browser,still a no go

Anyone??

Thanks,
Mike
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: Whistler Fred on July 14, 2016, 08:04:21 pm
Greetings!

When I try to load the web page I'm getting a "Secure Connection Failed" message.  Is this a firewall issue?  I'm using Firefox as my web browser.

Thanks!
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: Matt on July 14, 2016, 08:19:44 pm
OK,tried to download the link for the "panel" ,Jim sent me back over here...tried to open the http://IP_ADD8SS1:52100 from my web browser,still a no go

Check the port again.

Options > Media Network > Advanced > TCP Port

The default is 52199, not 52100.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on July 15, 2016, 12:32:02 am
When I try to load the web page I'm getting a "Secure Connection Failed" message.  Is this a firewall issue?  I'm using Firefox as my web browser.
Possibly.  Try localhost:52199 from the same machine, just to see what happens.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: Whistler Fred on July 15, 2016, 11:41:13 am
Possibly.  Try localhost:52199 from the same machine, just to see what happens.

Just tried it using Google and it worked.  Go fig!

Thanks!
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: SThatcher on July 15, 2016, 01:34:33 pm
Doesn't work in Windows 10 which is very disappointing
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on July 15, 2016, 03:39:52 pm
Doesn't work in Windows 10 which is very disappointing
It does.  Firewall?
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: A.K. on July 16, 2016, 10:09:29 am
An early build of MC22 is at the top of this board now.

One of the features I'm most excited about is Panel.  Synergy is a great word to describe it.  The whole is greater than the sum of the parts.

Here's a screenshot:

...

I couldn't get Panel to work in Android tablet or phone browser. Gizmo app running in the background, MC in computer, media network on. Am I missing something very simple?
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on July 16, 2016, 10:36:31 am
You need to have MC 22.0.9 (or higher) installed.

Then you connect to it from a browser.  Instructions are at the bottom of the post you linked.  I just made a correction.  One of the ports was wrong.

A firewall might also block access.

What did you do?  What happened?

Which browser?
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: A.K. on July 16, 2016, 11:45:28 am
You need to have MC 22.0.9 (or higher) installed.

Then you connect to it from a browser.  Instructions are at the bottom of the post you linked.  I just made a correction.  One of the ports was wrong.

A firewall might also block access.

What did you do?  What happened?

Which browser?

MC 22.0.9 is installed in PC and running, opened my android tablet, Gizmo app loaded in tablet and running in background, typed "localhost:52199/Gizmo" in (tablet) Chrome address bar. No success. Tried with "localhost:52100/Gizmo" Same results.
Webgizmo works in same PC where MC is installed.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on July 16, 2016, 12:08:05 pm
To use localhost, you have to use the browser on the same machine where MC is installed.  That's what localhost means.  You need to use the IP address of the machine where MC is installed.

It's not necessary to quote my post.  You can just use "reply".
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: A.K. on July 16, 2016, 12:51:25 pm
OK thanks, but still no success. Tried both internal and outside PC address + 52199 and 52100 "address:52199" and "address:52100"
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on July 16, 2016, 01:06:38 pm
Is MC running?

If it is and you've entered something like http://192.168.0.12:52199 (with your own address instead of the one I've used) in your browser, then either it is a firewall problem or it is your browser.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: A.K. on July 16, 2016, 01:33:40 pm
Yes I copied my internal address from ipconfig. Tablet (chrome) is just trying to load the page forever, but nothing shows up. Interestingly apps (Gizmo & eos) are working flawlessly. During MC 22 install, I gave permission to JRiver to bypass firewall.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on July 16, 2016, 03:03:51 pm
If another application is using 52199, it won't work.  MC22 needs full access.

Try removing the MC entries in your firewall so that it asks what to do again.

Reboot.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: A.K. on July 16, 2016, 04:27:23 pm
Ok, I went to windows firewall settings checked that MC 22 is allowed in home network (it was). Unchecked MC 22 in firewall. Rebooted PC and tablet, unchecked MC 22 media network "use media network". Rebooted MC 22, then again: options> media network>checked "use media network". MC asks permission to bypass firewall and I click yes. Still nothing in tablet. Could it be a router thing?
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on July 17, 2016, 01:07:17 am
Try connecting from another machine, using a browser, just as a test.

Make sure you're not running a second firewall as part of some security package.

Or, on the machine where MC is running, try typing this in a browser:

http://localhost:52199

Make sure MC or Media Server is running.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: A.K. on July 17, 2016, 04:01:32 am
Good morning from here!

Tried in another machine and it works :)

Here's how it went: I have a old netbook living room htpc which had MC 21 and windows 8.1. Upgraded to windows 10 couple of days ago, and fresh install of MC 22 today. Copied IP to chrome address bar to my android tablet, and voila! Panel opened just like it should.

Still nothing in my main PC, which has still win 8.1. And tried that same (main PC) IP in my htpc netbook browser, but nothing. Mysterious.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on July 17, 2016, 04:04:42 am
That's good news.  It probably means that there is a firewall blocking access on the first machine you were trying. 
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: A.K. on July 17, 2016, 04:46:52 am
Further testing:
I got an ipad from my friend and seems like it works perfectly fine, it plays music to htpc and from htpc ("play here"). But none of the android devices I have don't play music to "play here", but they stream music to htpc, though volume control from android does nothing (slider doesn't move), so I have to change volume from htpc. Track change and selection works from android.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: BryanC on July 20, 2016, 11:29:18 am
Request: improve ability to use playback slider on mobile devices

I can't seem to tap and grab the slider bar on my mobile phone, either because it isn't working or it is too small to touch accurately.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JustinChase on July 21, 2016, 10:19:33 am
Don't forget the default, hard coded WAF mode...

Wife/Partner arrives at house ... [it] turns on oven.

This obviously requires not a lot of logic.

:D

Now that's some funny stuff!!
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: FrankieV on July 21, 2016, 07:05:11 pm
I'm excited to see this since I've been having playback issues on lots of files on my iPhone with JRemote!

I've got Panel to work fine on my local computer.  When I browse to it on my iPhone, I am able to see all the artists, albums, cover art and songs, but when I tap to play a song, I just get a spinning wheel.

However, Gizmo on my iPhone works fine and it looks exactly like the Panel iPhone interface.  Are they the same thing?
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on July 21, 2016, 11:50:54 pm
Panel uses WebGizmo, so yes, they are the same.  I don't know why it isn't working.  Perhaps both were open?
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: stayup-artist on July 22, 2016, 10:56:06 am
Hi,
This is so awesome!
Got the port forwarding done on router, got the firewall port open for 52199.

Now I can listen to my music at work!!!

Thank you for the great work!!

Any plan on making the web-based panel secured (user login based)?
Rick
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: gvanbrunt on July 22, 2016, 11:15:28 am
Any plan on making the web-based panel secured (user login based)?

That shouldn't happen until it supports HTTPS/TLS. Otherwise passwords are exposed in plaintext "over the wire".

This also happens to be the case for regular client based traffic and should be done to secure both. I leave the port open on my end, but I cringe thinking about that.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: stayup-artist on July 22, 2016, 12:29:56 pm
This also happens to be the case for regular client based traffic and should be done to secure both. I leave the port open on my end, but I cringe thinking about that.
I guess that I know what my "evil twin" would do now --- sniff the port 52199 everywhere  ;D
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: kfrank on July 23, 2016, 02:09:55 pm
Is there a way to add a shuffle option to playlists?
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: grahamk on July 24, 2016, 04:29:23 pm
Loaded the new version with high hopes.

I am still looking for a way to add a song to playing now. If I click into a song I would like to be able to "add to playing now", "add as next to play", etc. Also - please a way to change the rating of the song?

I am hoping this is possible but I'm just missing it someplace?

Thanks!
 
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: mwillems on July 24, 2016, 05:28:28 pm
Not sure if this is a bug or just a quirk:

Panel appears to have replaced the "top page" of webgizmo (i.e. when you press Audio in panel it appears to take you to the same destination that pressing Audio in the top page of webgizmo used to do, etc.).  However, once you've navigated down into webgizmo below the top level panel, pressing the home button takes you to the old webgizmo top page rather than back to panel. 

This means on a touchscreen kiosk-style interface (i.e. one without a hardware back button) there's no way to get back to panel once you've navigated down into audio or video.  It seems like the home button should return to panel.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on July 25, 2016, 01:06:55 am
Not sure if this is a bug or just a quirk:

Panel appears to have replaced the "top page" of webgizmo (i.e. when you press Audio in panel it appears to take you to the same destination that pressing Audio in the top page of webgizmo used to do, etc.).  However, once you've navigated down into webgizmo below the top level panel, pressing the home button takes you to the old webgizmo top page rather than back to panel. 

This means on a touchscreen kiosk-style interface (i.e. one without a hardware back button) there's no way to get back to panel once you've navigated down into audio or video.  It seems like the home button should return to panel.
I agree.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: daveman on July 25, 2016, 04:39:13 pm
I can see my list of media but when I click on a movie, the screen is blank

http://localhost:52199/Gizmo/play_flash.html?File=243136&Token=JSFcAbfV

tried on 2 browsers on the machine that has MC22
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on July 29, 2016, 02:46:48 am
Panel appears to have replaced the "top page" of webgizmo (i.e. when you press Audio in panel it appears to take you to the same destination that pressing Audio in the top page of webgizmo used to do, etc.).  However, once you've navigated down into webgizmo below the top level panel, pressing the home button takes you to the old webgizmo top page rather than back to panel. 

This means on a touchscreen kiosk-style interface (i.e. one without a hardware back button) there's no way to get back to panel once you've navigated down into audio or video.  It seems like the home button should return to panel.
Here are a couple of possible solutions I see.  I'm interested in your comments.

1.  Remove or skip the home page of WebGizmo so we use the Panel home page instead.  This would require adding Search to it, which is probably a good idea anyway.
OR
2.  Add a back arrow button right next to the home button.  It would just go up one level in the menu instead of going home.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: mwillems on July 29, 2016, 08:35:26 am
Here are a couple of possible solutions I see.  I'm interested in your comments.

1.  Remove or skip the home page of WebGizmo so we use the Panel home page instead.  This would require adding Search to it, which is probably a good idea anyway.
OR
2.  Add a back arrow button right next to the home button.  It would just go up one level in the menu instead of going home.

I think both would be quite good.  If I had to choose one, I would choose 2) as the back button would be much more useful for kiosk-type displays generally (and some tablets); i.e. three levels deep in a view, you'd be able to step back one level instead of having to go "home" and start over.  But honestly I think both would be solid improvements.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: daveman on August 06, 2016, 09:00:55 am
posting again....

I can see my list of media but when I click on a movie, the screen is blank

http://localhost:52199/Gizmo/play_flash.html?File=243136&Token=JSFcAbfV

tried on 2 browsers on the machine that has MC22


anyone have any comment??
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on August 06, 2016, 09:01:51 am
It may be broken.  We'll take a look.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: BartMan01 on August 06, 2016, 11:51:30 am
Playing with Panel and am seeing the same usability issue that I have when trying to use JRemote to control things. When I start a video that has been previously viewed it comes up (per my settings) asking if I want to restart or resume. There is no way to make the selection other than putting down the device and reaching for the remote. In other apps (for other video players) the 'continue/resume' prompt appears on screen in the app and allow you to make a selection there.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: farreln on August 06, 2016, 01:32:10 pm
Hi,
Just loaded MC22 - very nice. I tried the new Panel and it comes up on all types of devices so far. However, clicking on any button ("Now Playing" or "Audio" for instance) results in a blank screen even using localhost on the Mac mini sever itself. I must be missing something. Idea?

Thanks,
Norman
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on August 06, 2016, 03:21:23 pm
The firewall?  Ports 52100 to 52199 must be open.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: jachin99 on August 06, 2016, 11:11:25 pm
Are there any plans to add an option to encrypt connections outside your lan? 
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: alank on August 10, 2016, 07:42:40 pm
I tried panel the other day on my HTC One M8 Android phone. Connected to my server by vpn and streamed music just fine while out walking the dog.

I noticed that whenever I used a Firefox browser tab other the one in which panel was running. the playback become choppy and erratic. As soon as I switched back to the tab in which panel was running, playback smoothed right out.

Not sure where in the chain this is happening, but probably something in phone, browser or panel app, since music otherwise streams okay. Now that I think of it, same problem using chrome browser, so probably phone or panel app.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: wilfredjg on August 11, 2016, 03:31:29 pm
Thanks
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: USAudio on August 14, 2016, 01:20:51 am
Any word on when Panel will be available for MC22 on the Mac?
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: blgentry on August 14, 2016, 08:12:48 am
^ I don't know about Engen, but Panel is in MC22 for Mac right now.

Brian.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: switch6343 on August 14, 2016, 05:26:16 pm
Awesome. It works like a charm.

I changed Audio Conversion however from MP3 Highbandwith to PCM 24. A remarkably audible difference.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: USAudio on August 14, 2016, 06:55:31 pm
Any word on when Panel will be available for MC22 on the Mac?
Ok, got the Panel to come up with http://localhost:52199 on my Mac.  Didn't realize I had to turn on Tools>Options>Media Network, which was off by default with my installation.
However clicking on any button on the Panel just takes me to a blank empty page ...
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: blgentry on August 14, 2016, 07:18:03 pm
^ If you see blank pages, either something is wrong, or you have no content in your library (songs, movies, etc).

Brian.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on August 15, 2016, 10:44:32 am
A YouTube video to demonstrate Panel and Engen (lighting)
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: farreln on August 19, 2016, 09:25:02 am
Hello,
Running MC 22.0.13 for Mac on macMini. Panel opening screen looks great (starry sky). Setup button leads to blank screen. Other buttons work. Anything else I need to configure?

Thanks.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: BradATIMA on August 19, 2016, 01:38:57 pm
Hello,
Running MC 22.0.13 for Mac on macMini. Panel opening screen looks great (starry sky). Setup button leads to blank screen. Other buttons work. Anything else I need to configure?

Thanks.

The Panel settings page for Mac was not implemented when 22.0.13 was released. It will be available in the next Mac build.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on August 19, 2016, 05:27:15 pm
I'm sorry, but I deleted weust's post by mistake.  I was able to find it:

-------------
I just updated my Intel NUC running Ubuntu Server 16.04.1 LTS so it now runs MC22.
Checking the forums I noticed there finally is a web interface (at least, finally that I know about anyway).

I barely use my iPad anymore, except to control MC when I want to stream some music from my NAS.
So a webinterface it great for me. But I do notice there is a whole lot of work to be done to replace the iPad app.

Rather then listing everything I am missing right now, because I feel that might be added along the way, are a few options that might be overlooked. And I hope those could be implemented.

1. Use the sorting settings. I only use MC for audio playback, and in the program I have the Albums as default view.
I also customized the sorting to first sort by Album Artist, and then by Year.
It would be very nice to see that in Panel as well.

2. Settings options. Right now it shows not a single settings, but I would like to see options to I can go straight to Albums instead of clicking through several menu's before getting there.

3. Search bar. A search bar in the current view (Artists, Albums, wherever you are at that moment) would be very nice.

Think that is it for now.

One thing that kinda bugs me is that I have to go through several pages of my albums, instead of them being loaded all on the same page.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: FrankieV on August 21, 2016, 11:10:09 pm
I'm using Panel on my iPhone for audio, using the native Safari browser.  When I choose an album and press "Play All," only the first track of the album will play, then I get an endlessly spinning disc icon.  I can press the back button in my browser and choose any single track in the album and it will play.

Am I missing a setting somewhere?

Other than figuring out how to make "Play All" work, my wish list for Panel mostly is about improving navigation through a large library.  It certainly is not easy with the current multi-page setup. 

A "Search" function would be a great help.  Also, a compact row view with a vertical A,B,C, etc. index like that used in Remote would be great. 
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: skarsol on August 22, 2016, 11:42:38 am
Is it/will it be possible to have Panel trigger a REST call to a non-JRiver product? Or is it only intended to control the JRiver ecosystem?
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on August 22, 2016, 12:05:20 pm
What do you imagine doing?
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: skarsol on August 22, 2016, 12:15:51 pm
Sending commands to any hardware/hub that Engen doesn't yet support. In this specific case, controlling lights managed by Loxone (hardwired lighting control vs Z-Wave/Zigbee). I'd love to have JRiver manage everything, but I only want to have one interface on the touchscreens. My current plan was to use Dashing or similar to make an interface that could REST to JRiver and Loxone (and whatever else), but it looks like it would potentially be much more convenient to use Panel as the front end instead of having to REST to JRiver.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on August 22, 2016, 12:30:24 pm
We have another remote program which could send REST commands.  It's not yet released but there are some screenshots here:

http://www.engen.com/OneRemote/index.html

Instructions (http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/OneRemote)
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: skarsol on August 22, 2016, 01:40:07 pm
Hurm. That seems way more focused on smaller vertical screens with much fewer/less buttons/information per screen. Is there intended to be more convergence as far as GUI down the line?

What I'm looking for is something along the lines of the below, but integrated instead of having to set up REST calls to Media Server for everything manually.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on August 22, 2016, 01:46:27 pm
I'm going to move this to a new thread.

Panel's lighting menu gives you what you have above for lighting.

What it doesn't do are:

Weather
and
Cameras

We may add weather.  We will add cameras, but probably not before the end of the year.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: skarsol on August 22, 2016, 01:56:25 pm
Lighting only if you use Zwave though, right? Not a fan of wireless control of something as critical as lights. Anyway, sounds like the answer is I should stick with my current plan. Thanks.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: daveman on August 31, 2016, 06:47:27 am
I am still unable to view videos using Panel.

Audio section works fine
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: Matt on August 31, 2016, 07:49:26 am
I am still unable to view videos using Panel.

Audio section works fine

To view a video you need to have Adobe Flash installed and activated.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: AndrewFG on September 01, 2016, 04:21:46 am
To view a video you need to have Adobe Flash installed and activated.

Flash. Isn't that a bit last century Matt?

Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: skarsol on September 01, 2016, 06:09:21 am
Yeah, I'd be real curious to know what drove that decision.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: gvanbrunt on September 01, 2016, 08:44:48 am
Does seem to be an interesting decision. Even Adobe has declared Flash as EOL. HTML5 is the way to go and is supported by all major browsers. Of course there are some gotcha's with video formats etc still, but there are plenty of toolkits that make it a no brainer.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: gvanbrunt on September 01, 2016, 09:05:31 am
Ah I see now. It just drops to WebGizmo for the playing part. That is older code so not surprised it's Flash. Needs updating though if you want to work well on IOS etc.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: edwarduk on September 13, 2016, 05:05:13 am
Cool!

Not managed to try this out until now. Lots of potential on this given the cross browser and cross device functionality.

Tried it in various configs - localhost, internal and external IP, internal and external FQDM. Windows 10 machines and Android devices - all work as intended.

Of course coming in via external method my port forward rule takes precedence (so goes to my server rather than the main internal client).

Some observations:

1. Playing now volume control slider is not smooth - only operates in steps 

2. The 'home' button whilst in Playing now mode takes one to the original Gizmo home rather than to the Panel home. Fully understood why that is (inherited Gizmo code) but a user would now expect to get back to Panel home.

3. At times the Playing now details not updated automatically (say when I change tracks directly on the playing machine).

What would be super good is if Panel can start to copy the great JRemote functionality and interface.

Edward
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: aproc on September 29, 2016, 12:29:23 am
In Panel -> Web Remote -> Playing Now, is it possible to have a Fullscreen/Windowed mode switch? Every time I play a video using Panel, it starts in Windowed mode (Standard view); or if I play the video from PC and stop it from Panel (using phone) and then play again, it starts in Windowed mode.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: This2ShallPass on October 12, 2016, 07:28:06 pm
There's no Search feature. Seems like a sizeable oversight. Thoughts?
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: astromo on October 12, 2016, 08:11:27 pm
There's no Search feature. Seems like a sizeable oversight. Thoughts?

There is. No oversight at all. My thoughts are - do a bit of a search and ye shall find. From Panel:
   Web Remote > Library > Search

The keyword box is at the top right of the screen - refer attached pic.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: This2ShallPass on October 12, 2016, 08:52:05 pm
Any reason not to have "Search" right on the Panel main screen?

I read the post about Panel, BTW.

Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: astromo on October 13, 2016, 07:57:52 am
Any reason not to have "Search" right on the Panel main screen?

Fair suggestion. FWIW, you've got my vote.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: This2ShallPass on October 13, 2016, 08:02:05 am
in fact, on smartphone, Panel and Gizmo appear almost identically (layout, icons, etc.). Notably absent from Panel: "Search"

I can't possibly be the only one with a sizeable music library who doesn't want to scroll alphabetically to get to an Artist, Album or Song!
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on October 13, 2016, 08:38:06 am
We should add search.  Here's a link that should work for now:

http://[Your IP Address]:52199/Gizmo/searchnew.html
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: This2ShallPass on October 13, 2016, 08:52:24 am
Thanks Jim!
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: MJT on October 24, 2016, 08:09:39 pm
Is there a client connection limit when using WebGizmo/WebPlay?  I will be taking a JRiver Media Center computer on an upcoming vacation with a group of friends and I'm wondering how many could stream music at the same time on smart phones and tablets.

Thanks,
Mike
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on October 24, 2016, 09:30:18 pm
There is no limit.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: hoyt on October 25, 2016, 11:46:39 pm
It would be nice in the power menu to be able to sleep instead of shutdown.  I place my pc into sleep so that I can easily wake it with the harmony remote.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: greynolds on October 27, 2016, 10:29:06 am
Playing with Panel and am seeing the same usability issue that I have when trying to use JRemote to control things. When I start a video that has been previously viewed it comes up (per my settings) asking if I want to restart or resume. There is no way to make the selection other than putting down the device and reaching for the remote. In other apps (for other video players) the 'continue/resume' prompt appears on screen in the app and allow you to make a selection there.
This is something that's been a problem for me in JRemote too.  In addition to videos, it also seems to sometimes happen if I start playing a radio link that I've previously played.  In this situation, I'm using JRemote to control a zone that's connected to a USB DAC, so I'm not actually looking at the JRiver window (or even the same PC at the time) as the JRiver server is in a different room.  It took me a while to figure out why my stream wasn't just playing...  IMO, this needs to be addressed both here and in JRemote.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: jachin99 on December 21, 2016, 09:24:14 am
i'm having a wierd issue where the panel page will load at times, but not load at other times.  last night, i opened the panel page by clicking on the JRiver Library link in my network folder, and it opened fine.  about five minutes later, I closed the page, and tried to reopen it but I got a page load error.  i was using Microsoft Edge to open Panel, and this was happening on my server so panel would not open in a web page on the same machine that has JRiver.  Any ideas about what I could be doing wrong? 
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: daithu on April 24, 2017, 04:16:58 am
Hi All,

Can we do something to change the plain icons after going to each section.
For example, audio.......to get those icons look colourful.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: tyler69 on May 16, 2017, 01:52:10 am
Is this being worked on? I "want" to use it but it seems like a "test"-implementation with regards to UX.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on May 16, 2017, 06:13:53 am
It's been worked on a lot, but mainly for Lighting, which talks to Engen.  Some of this work will probably migrate back to the rest of Panel.

There may be some things under the settings icon that you haven't found.

I'm thinking about doing a Panel-like app that just plays Playlists.  It's meant for the user who doesn't want to bother learning anything.  This may turn into the Pretty Face app we talked about a year ago.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: tyler69 on May 16, 2017, 07:16:04 am
Thanks.
I'd like to use it as a remote for MC only. No Engen/Lightning/...
Maybe you could consider putting a few ressources into the "remote control"-functionality/ux of Panel before developing a Panel-like app that plays playlists only (if controlling MC is an intended use case for Panel to you).
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on May 16, 2017, 08:41:20 am
How do you think it should be changed?
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: MusicHawk on May 16, 2017, 11:14:07 am
I like the remote app/web page that Just Plays Playlists idea a lot. Perfect for family members, the MC equivalent of turning on a radio and choosing a station, or switching a TV to a music channel, or an iPod, or an app like Spotify/Pandora/etc. Simple, one purpose, shows only what the user cares about, no way to get lost, not intimidating.

It could and maybe should be a separate app/web page. Show all the Playlists, or even better, allow specific playlists to be marked in MC to be made available (because some of the stock MC playlists and playlist-related features are not desirable for non-tech user). In my case, about 25 Smartlists would be specified, everything else hidden from play-only users.

My family would love it !!
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: tyler69 on June 12, 2017, 12:54:58 pm
How do you think it should be changed?

I summarised the things that come to my mind when using Panel:

1. landing page (Panel) looks nice with the background
2. all other pages look different from the landing page, why not consistent in some way (font, layout, ...) like the settings page?
3. bad looking icons (Album, Artist, Home Icon in the top left...) (see 2)
4. no information about what is currently playing, why not reserving space on top/bottom for playback information (artist, movie, album, duration, ...), maybe even customizable like the info screen on top in MC
5. when browsing albums, it seems there are only so many on one page. why is it necessary to skip "pages" in order to see all albums? they should really be on one page.
6. in tracklist view only titles are shown. why do you not use the remaining space for showing additional information? you could even add links to allmusic, discogs or whatsoever (maybe Panel could read out the metadata of the files played?). this might have potential to be a roon-like interface (with regard to the artist information shown to the user)
7. why is there no easy way to go back to "what is playing now"? i always need to click on "home" in the top left corner. why not make a control panel "sticky" (forward, backwards, volume, ...). maybe together with 4.
8. the volume slider could be worked on (if possible): when dragging it, the latency for the volume to change is quite high, maybe it even changes the volume first when you release the slider?
9. it would be nice to have resizable artwork (maybe like in MC). please take 5 into consideration with this.
10. the possibility of using a tree-like structure next to the usage of icons now implemented for browsing through functions and media might be welcomed by some users
11. why do i need to go through genre or year when browsing (a manually added view in MC) in order to get to the movies? there should probably be options on how browsing through media levels should behave.
12. why is flash player used for video playback? I understand this is a "legacy" technology?
13. more control when playing back video (subtitles, audio stream, ...) would probably benefit the ux
14. why don't you rename the description of the wdm driver from IPC to something like "MC audio" or something not so cryptic.

This definitely has potential, I like the approach but a lot has to be done still (I'm talking exclusively on audio/video functionalities as I do not use the other parts).

EDIT: included 14.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: Centurino on August 05, 2017, 07:59:56 am
Any other ideas how to get this working on PC > Chrome or FF browser or Android, same browsers?

On both, the Panel loads, but when any option is chosen, the browser displays "No webpage was found for the web address: http://192.168.0.10:52199/Gizmo/library.html?LibraryLocation=1"

- Ports open: 52100:52199
- W10 Firewall app plus ports allowed.

Gizmo app works fine locally and remotely, as does remote app.

Cheers


Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on August 05, 2017, 09:42:05 am
Try it from the same machine, using localhost:52199 in the browser.

At what point do you see the error you describe?
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: Centurino on August 05, 2017, 01:39:17 pm
localhost:52199 gives the exact same outcome on the same PC, another PC or Android phone running Marshmallow. I see the panel but as soon as I click any of the options (Audio, Playlists, etc) a blank screen is presented in FF and the following message in Chrome "This localhost page can’t be found" "No webpage was found for the web address: http://192.168.0.10:52199/Gizmo/library.html?LibraryLocation=1"

Very odd, thanks for your help.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on August 05, 2017, 02:29:13 pm
Did you turn on Media Network?
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: Centurino on August 08, 2017, 05:40:27 pm
Yes, Media Network was on as the Gizmo app and remote all worked fine. Its now working on both browsers, thanks a lot for the fast response / fix.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: charlychan on August 18, 2017, 07:29:16 am
There is only one thing realy important to me when using MC and that is next to play music, reading the artwork and info files

If that is possibel with Panel, I'm your man
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: 4BYE on August 18, 2017, 07:48:10 am
I tried panel because of the e-mail I received. I got music on same PC but but video doesn't play. (Gizmo works on Samsung S7 android) Should I download files to get it working? (MC 22)
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: adphil on August 18, 2017, 09:11:01 am
I can't get in, it is asking me for name and password. Is that right and where do you define that?

I'm using MC 23.0.20 on my Mac with OS X 10.11.6.
Gizmo is working fine.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on August 18, 2017, 09:46:39 am
Username and password are only required if you have turned on Authentication on the server.  Turn it off if you can't remember.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: adphil on August 18, 2017, 11:18:32 am
Username and password are only required if you have turned on Authentication on the server.  Turn it off if you can't remember.

Thanks, I got it now. Like some others commented though, video files are not playing. Tried it with Chrome and Safari.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: 4BYE on August 18, 2017, 12:48:30 pm
Glad to hear I'm not the only one. I use Chrome too. (Stopped using IE because it gives so many issues with so many websites.)
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: RedJ on August 19, 2017, 09:10:58 am
Been watching development of Panel since the Pretty Face discussion and I really like the initiative to unify the interface for all the various web components that have rolled out over time.

Not sure if the project is far enough along to be posting interface problems, and whether this is even the right place for it.  Since Panel seems to be tying a bunch of disparate web interfaces together, should problem reports be separated per interface (on their own boards)?  That would be pretty messy to submit and keep track of and seemingly against the unifying spirit of Panel, but I wouldn't want to clutter up the wrong thread.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on August 19, 2017, 10:44:06 am
Thanks.  You could post problems here.  There are still a lot of unfinished aspects, a lot of which should get fixed next week.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: Schooner on August 19, 2017, 01:04:11 pm
Took me a while, but finally I was able to get into Panel.  When I entered just "loalhost:52199" in the browser, I simply got Google search results.  I had to use the full IP address for Panel to work on my local machine.  And I had to get MC23 to upgrade to MC23.0.36 before it would work.

Panel is quick and easy, but I am not able to see or select tracks.  I can choose entire albums or entire playlists, but the tracks don't show up.  Is this normal?
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: RedJ on August 19, 2017, 01:48:33 pm
Assuming the same text as posted here was entered in your browser, you'd need to change it to localhost:52199 (add missing "c")

The web interface seems to be list-based for the time-being so I do not see individual tracks either.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: RedJ on August 19, 2017, 02:24:24 pm
There are still a lot of unfinished aspects, a lot of which should get fixed next week.

If there are significant changes on the horizon, I think I'll hold off a week or so then until stuff you're working on is pushed out. 
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: Changeling on August 22, 2017, 02:35:25 am
Took me a while, but finally I was able to get into Panel.  When I entered just "loalhost:52199" in the browser, I simply got Google search results.  I had to use the full IP address for Panel to work on my local machine.  And I had to get MC23 to upgrade to MC23.0.36 before it would work.

Panel is quick and easy, but I am not able to see or select tracks.  I can choose entire albums or entire playlists, but the tracks don't show up.  Is this normal?

I'm having the same issue when going AUDIO->ALBUM. There's no individual tracks seen.

Other suggestions and feedback:

1. When playing an album and going to the 'Playing Now' screen I had a bluescreen with error in Wdf01000.sys . I can't seem to replicate it so might be completely unrelated to JRiver / Panel.
2. When choosing an album to play I'm not seeing what song is actually playing, not in the bottom of the screen and not if I go into the album folder or on the Playing Now screen.
3.The volume slider in the bottom right should be deactivated/locked/removed when JRiver is not using it (using external preamp/amp). Right now I can move it left/right. Nothing happens when doing so though. (This holds true for Chrome, but not for Explorer where it works like it should)
4. When starting playback from within the JRiver software and then going to Panel the Playing Now screen is blank. It shows the song progress bar on the bottom of the screen but nothing else.
5. When changing zone (I'm using one for headphones and one for monitors, with different DSP) the first time the dropdown looks fine, with 'Here', 'Monitors' and 'Headphones' as my predefined choices. Going to Settings a second time the dropdown suddenly has 3-10 blank choices between the second and last choice. I can pick one but nothing happens. The number of blanks varies.
6. When having solved the problem with individual tracks seen, would there be an option to view album artwork and scanned booklets (PDF, JPEG etc) within Panel? I've gone through the painful task to scan every single inlay, cover and booklet in my collection and I'd love to be able to view them in the browser.
7. Add a zone-change option to the playing now screen. Sometimes I just want to keep the album I'm listening to, but change zone and minimize clicks.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: RoderickGI on August 22, 2017, 05:50:34 am
I'm having the same issue when going AUDIO->ALBUM. There's no individual tracks seen.

Click on the album artwork but not in the middle where the Play symbol shows on hovering. Individual tracks display.

Note though that I am on a slightly newer version than you, but I think it worked in MC23.0.36.

Oops: I Meant a newer version. Panel and Web Gizmo are getting a lot of work at the moment. It probably was broken in 36.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: Changeling on August 22, 2017, 06:12:20 am
Click on the album artwork but not in the middle where the Play symbol shows on hovering. Individual tracks display.

Note though that I am on a slightly older version than you, but I think it worked in MC23.0.36.
No, they don't display. I'm on MC23.0.36 and when doing what you suggest, here's what I get:

(http://i.imgur.com/Fz2kT7m.jpg)
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: lello on September 02, 2017, 02:46:30 am
localhost:52199 gives the exact same outcome on the same PC, another PC or Android phone running Marshmallow. I see the panel but as soon as I click any of the options (Audio, Playlists, etc) a blank screen is presented in FF and the following message in Chrome "This localhost page can’t be found" "No webpage was found for the web address: http://192.168.0.10:52199/Gizmo/library.html?LibraryLocation=1"


same problem. I've already updated to version 36, but I still can not run Gizmo: I just got the panel and it's enough.

I also tried to disable the firewall completely.

What else should I check?
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on September 02, 2017, 07:34:04 am
Is Media Network on? 
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: lello on September 02, 2017, 11:31:08 am
Yes sure.

In the end I uninstalled JRiver completely, I restarted the htpc, I reinstalled JRiver by retrieving the library, I restarted the Media Server, and now everything works, or almost ...

You see everything excluded from the Movies folder
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: jkolker on September 02, 2017, 12:45:51 pm
Try updating to the latest.  I had that exact same thing but updated to .45 and it seemed to work.

Now the movies are listed, but they are not iconized.  It's just a list of the movies. 
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: lello on September 03, 2017, 01:25:23 am
perfect, I updated to .45, and now it works. ;D

There are no posters, but everything works.

Thank you
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: RedJ on September 03, 2017, 01:50:30 pm
If there are significant changes on the horizon, I think I'll hold off a week or so then until stuff you're working on is pushed out.
So, looks like holding off on feedback was the right call as the latest updates have addressed the great majority of the issues I was seeing with Panel.  I see individual tracks in now, I don't get stranded in one of the sub-areas anymore, and album art displays consistently.  The only quibble I have is that clicking on System Settings kills playback without warning, but that's almost never going to come up in normal use.  Great job on the updates!
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: Changeling on September 04, 2017, 01:20:49 am
So, looks like holding off on feedback was the right call as the latest updates have addressed the great majority of the issues I was seeing with Panel.  I see individual tracks in now, I don't get stranded in one of the sub-areas anymore, and album art displays consistently.  The only quibble I have is that clicking on System Settings kills playback without warning, but that's almost never going to come up in normal use.  Great job on the updates!
Individual tracks seen, I have the same problem with System Settings.
In addition I've had another BSOD with wdf01000.sys just now.
But all in all I think this is coming together quite nicely
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: 4BYE on September 04, 2017, 02:57:17 am
Still no video using localhost:52199 on MC22, audio does play!
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: mordac on September 04, 2017, 04:31:02 am
Nice !

just one little issue to be reported.  I hace customized the Thumbnail text in JRiver views (see attached screenshot), and Panel does not recognize the HTML tags. Probably an easy fix  ;)
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: Changeling on September 05, 2017, 01:40:10 am
Update:

1. When playing an album and going to the 'Playing Now' screen I had a bluescreen with error in Wdf01000.sys . I can't seem to replicate it so might be completely unrelated to JRiver / Panel. I've had another BSOD related to the same file, but I can't seem to understand why it happens.
2. When choosing an album to play I'm not seeing what song is actually playing, not in the bottom of the screen and not if I go into the album folder or on the Playing Now screen.Fixed from .45
3.The volume slider in the bottom right should be deactivated/locked/removed when JRiver is not using it (using external preamp/amp). Right now I can move it left/right. Nothing happens when doing so though. (This holds true for Chrome, but not for Explorer where it works like it should)Fixed from .45
4. When starting playback from within the JRiver software and then going to Panel the Playing Now screen is blank. It shows the song progress bar on the bottom of the screen but nothing else.Fixed from .45
5. When changing zone (I'm using one for headphones and one for monitors, with different DSP) the first time the dropdown looks fine, with 'Here', 'Monitors' and 'Headphones' as my predefined choices. Going to Settings a second time the dropdown suddenly has 3-10 blank choices between the second and last choice. I can pick one but nothing happens. The number of blanks varies.Fixed from .45
6. When having solved the problem with individual tracks seen, would there be an option to view album artwork and scanned booklets (PDF, JPEG etc) within Panel? I've gone through the painful task to scan every single inlay, cover and booklet in my collection and I'd love to be able to view them in the browser. This would be such a great improvement
7. Add a zone-change option to the playing now screen. Sometimes I just want to keep the album I'm listening to, but change zone and minimize clicks.

8. When starting playback from JRiver running on media server (for example after having adjusted a setting or similar) I can't seem to control that zone from Panel anymore. When changing zone in settings, nothing happens. I have to go back to the software, stop playback, reconnect to panel and re-start playback.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: BillT on September 05, 2017, 06:13:53 am
I've just started playing with Panel.

I used to use Webgizmo in a window in HSTouch (Homeseer remote application) to control JRiver, which worked OK.

The new Panel sort of works but not in a usable way.

There seems to be no persistence of settings. Set it to control output on the server (which is what I want as the default), navigate away from the page and return the zone is reset to local, so you have to go back to settings to change the zone again. There seems to be no way to show the remote playlist again.

When playing from the server there is no cover-art display and the progress bar doesn't show progress. (Both used to work in WebGizmo.)
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on September 05, 2017, 06:52:16 am
Those should be fixed this week or next.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: dtc on September 05, 2017, 08:55:25 am
Nice !

just one little issue to be reported.  I hace customized the Thumbnail text in JRiver views (see attached screenshot), and Panel does not recognize the HTML tags. Probably an easy fix  ;)

How do you get Panel to use the thumbnail text from standard view? I only see one line of thumbnail text and there is no place in the customize setup for Webgizmo to set thumbnail text.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: DJLegba on September 07, 2017, 05:07:30 pm
Panel is progressing nicely, although there is still a lot to do. I think you should change the icon that indicates the active track in the playlist. It looks like a "twisty" and in fact you use the same icon elsewhere as something that can be clicked on to open up more information. Clicking on the twisty in the playing now list simply starts the track again from the beginning.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: lello on September 09, 2017, 01:28:57 am
perfect, I updated to .45, and now it works. ;D

There are no posters, but everything works.

Thank you

I solved the panel problem, but the 45 version created another annoying problem :(

I set JRiver so that the media server starts at startup so that you can start the player from the remote control. Until the previous versions worked all the time though, when I turn off and put the htpc on hold, after a few seconds it reboots. If I close the media server, it does not turn on again.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: drmimosa on September 15, 2017, 10:32:12 am
Panel is really looking sharp. I've got it working outside my network and it's running really well.

Question, why is the default volume at 50 percent?

From an Android phone, volume doesn't show up at all. [Edit I found the volume control by selecting "Request Desktop Site", and it works.]

Default at 100 percent volume would make more sense for a web page player, esp for mobile.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: 4BYE on September 15, 2017, 11:41:06 am
No video playing. I found out there's text (black on black): Loading the video player ... on the middle top of page.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: jkolker on September 15, 2017, 12:21:42 pm
Would like to see the Video -> Shows section indicate Season and Episode, and sort in appropriate order.  Not sure how it's being sorted now, but it's not that.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: lynes88 on September 21, 2017, 09:37:41 am
Still having problems getting this feature to work.  I can see Panel on my local machine running JRiver...but can't connect from any mobile device.  My guess is a port access issue but I am not well versed in how to verify or make sure that is the case.  I can get into my Linksys router settings and see a section that refers to a single port forwarding... but it is really confusing on what to do next.  Is that likely my issue?  Anyone else have a Linksys router that can show me a screenshot?
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on September 21, 2017, 11:18:24 am
The wiki has a topic called Network Access (http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Network_Access) .

The firewall must allow access on 52100 to 52199.  You don't need port forwarding unless you're trying to connect from outside your LAN.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: wburkett on September 24, 2017, 08:35:13 am
I am finally starting to explore panel (I am not an early adopter!  ;) ) and it's looking pretty cool.  I also have a question.  Someone asked this question in mid 2016 and did not seem to get any kind of response:

Is there a way to shuffle the selected tracks rather than just "play all (in order)"?

Bill
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on September 24, 2017, 08:43:51 am
We may add a shuffle button later, but for now ...

Try using the Radio button.  It requires setting up Car Radio (https://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Car_Radio) playlists.  These can be static lists or Play Doctor (https://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Play_Doctor) lists.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on September 24, 2017, 09:07:08 am
You can also add a smartlist and then use it as a Car Radio button.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: RD James on September 24, 2017, 11:57:07 am
We may add a shuffle button later, but for now ...
Try using the Radio button.  It requires setting up Car Radio (https://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Car_Radio) playlists.  These can be static lists or Play Doctor (https://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Play_Doctor) lists.
You can also add a smartlist and then use it as a Car Radio button.
I have randomized smartlists that I use to control music playback in Media Center.
None of these randomize when I play them through Panel. I get the same tracks every time.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: wburkett on September 24, 2017, 01:12:00 pm
We may add a shuffle button later, but for now ...

Try using the Radio button.  It requires setting up Car Radio (https://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Car_Radio) playlists.  These can be static lists or Play Doctor (https://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Play_Doctor) lists.

Thanks for the quick response, Jim.   I guess either I wait or try and learn Car Radio/Play Doctor.  (No idea what these functions do.) 
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: wburkett on September 24, 2017, 05:27:56 pm
Well -- how about this?  While I was researching Car Radio and tinkering around trying to figure out how it works, I also FINALLY discovered a solution to a long-standing desire of mine: shuffle by album (shuffle album).  I know all you long time MC users and technically-savvy newcomers probably knew this for a long time and find it obvious, but I, as a semi-technical newbie, never found this particular, explicit solution anywhere: to randomly sort (shuffle) a smart playlist by album "Modify Results": with three modifiers:

  (1) Remove duplicates of: Album
  (2) Shuffle
  (3) Expand to full albums

Brian G provided me a nice script to do this a while back (thanks, Brian), but this makes life so much simpler!!!

And thanks for the suggestion, Jim - I took a couple of big steps today.  (It does reinforce, though, the idea that the UI is non-intuitive and obtuse.)

Bill
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on September 24, 2017, 05:35:32 pm
And thanks for the suggestion, Jim - I took a couple of big steps today.  (It does reinforce, though, the idea that the UI is non-intuitive and obtuse.)
Obtuse?  Maybe you mean obscure.

It's probably not possible to make complex capabilities intuitive.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: wburkett on September 24, 2017, 07:06:36 pm
Obtuse?  Maybe you mean obscure.

It's probably not possible to make complex capabilities intuitive.

You're right: "Obtuse" is the is the wrong word.  And you're probably right about the complex capabilities.  (But Shuffling By Album isn't complex or unusual.)

I've figured out how to work Car Radio and how to get a smart playlist to Shuffle (i.e., randomize the order of) Albums.  Accessing those smart-playlists-that-shuffle through Panel seems to provide the "shuffle" behavior I was looking for.  Car Radio doesn't appear that useful to me (and was a bit of a red herring, actually) because when assigning a playlist to a button it give me only two choices: "Plays the same static list each time" and "Play Doctor plays a new mix of similar music each time", neither of which give me what I want.  These two choices are useful choices, but how about another choice to play a smart playlist exactly as it's defined?  If the smart playlist shuffles, I can't get that behavior through a Car Radio button.  (And btw: at a UI metaphorical level, calling the feature "Car Radio" is, I think, a pretty good intuitive choice for what it does.)

Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on September 24, 2017, 07:13:29 pm
There's a way, but it has a bug I just reported tonight.

"I tried to add a smartlist to a Car Radio button.  I used the right click > link to playlist.  It worked, but it changed the number of buttons to 1000."

You can right click again to set the number of buttons back to something sane.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: wburkett on September 25, 2017, 07:30:09 am
There's a way, but it has a bug I just reported tonight.

"I tried to add a smartlist to a Car Radio button.  I used the right click > link to playlist.  It worked, but it changed the number of buttons to 1000."

You can right click again to set the number of buttons back to something sane.

Thanks, Jim - yup -- that worked and experienced that bug.  I totally missed the "link to playlist" button because I was following the "press and hold" approach for assigning a "station" to a button. 
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: tyler69 on September 26, 2017, 03:39:49 am
Is there a way to change the video quality streamed to Panel?
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: BradATIMA on September 26, 2017, 08:52:24 am
Is there a way to change the video quality streamed to Panel?

At the moment there is no way to change the quality; however, there are plans to implement that in the near future. For now, the quality is at its highest setting and future options would likely only allow you to turn down the quality.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: tyler69 on September 26, 2017, 08:57:23 am
Thanks. Looking forward to it. Is this considered for 23?
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: BradATIMA on September 26, 2017, 11:33:03 am
Thanks. Looking forward to it. Is this considered for 23?

Yes, it will still be in 23.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: tyler69 on September 26, 2017, 12:05:33 pm
Thanks again. Are audio track and subtitle controls also under consideration?
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: stevedig on September 26, 2017, 08:47:41 pm
Been watching the new panel develop since i first noticed it in 22. definitely coming together nicely. 23.62 now plays all my flac audio and mkv video content. love it!

just a couple of thoughts which i'm sure are in the plan someplace... but i thought i'd voice em. thanks for listening btw.

1. needs a stop playback button. something that ends playback locally and closes the player thumbnail or stops playback on the remote device all together. it's not often... but i do, at times, want to stop.

2. video cover art on movies, and tv series / seasons aren't quite displaying right. they are cut off, square rather than displaying the full cover art image. it just a visual thing. i'm sure it will come eventually but thought i'd mention it.

3. love the list type view under a tv season. lets me see the full title for tv episodes and movies with longer ones, unlike web gizmo. still needs the episode thumbnail image tho. you don't realize how much you miss them until they are gone. they are surprisingly good visual queues for episode content.

4. being a guy... i'd love some button color options other than the pastels. :)

nit picky horse snot mostly but with these few tweaks i'd move from web gizmo to panel full time for all av playback control in the house.

love this mc app! keep up the great work!
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: stevedig on September 27, 2017, 10:12:13 pm
And one other item. We need a little navigation help. A back button within each view within the panel would be awesome.

When viewing audio sorted by artist I have about 9 pgs of artists with multiple albums under each. If I navigate to pg 4 and select an artist there to view the albums there in I can't go back up to the previous view of pg 4. The web browser back button returns me to pg 1.

The same is true under TV shows of which I have about 5 pgs (next pg / prev pg). Once I enter a series to look @ the available seasons the only way back is the browser back button which returns me to pg 1 of tv series.

This can make browsing large AV libraries challenging, frustrating even. Web Gizmo still wins in this as well.

It's coming along very nicely. Can't wait to see what's next!
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: wig on September 29, 2017, 08:24:28 am
My Panel plays aren't being logged in the database. Is this a settings problem?
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: wig on September 29, 2017, 08:25:30 am
I'd like to build a link that includes login credentials for my phone's home page. How do I do that?
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: mwillems on September 29, 2017, 09:08:49 am
I'd like to build a link that includes login credentials for my phone's home page. How do I do that?

You mean a link that automatically supplies the credentials?  Panel uses basic auth so, depending on your security concerns, you can just use
Code: [Select]
http://username:password@example.com/

Obviously the username and password will be visible to anyone using that browser so it's not the most secure method, but is by far the easiest.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: BradATIMA on September 29, 2017, 02:07:43 pm
My Panel plays aren't being logged in the database. Is this a settings problem?

I believe this is because authentication isn't fully implemented into Panel yet.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: RD James on September 29, 2017, 06:52:11 pm
It would be nice if a link like http://wg.jriver.com/<your_access_key> (http://wg.jriver.com/<your_access_key>) worked with Panel to connect you to the server directly from any location, and even better if that link could include login credentials - though I suppose they're then being sent in plaintext over an HTTP connection.
 
Same thing for JRemote. I believe that's still using HTTP and not HTTPS?
I'd prefer an option in JRiver to disable HTTP connections altogether and only accept HTTPS.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: Hendrik on September 30, 2017, 01:53:58 am
I'd prefer an option in JRiver to disable HTTP connections altogether and only accept HTTPS.

You can do that with firewalls or only forwarding the HTTPS port in the router. Fully exposing an unprotected system to the internet (or any uncontrolled environment) is not something anyone should be doing.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: wig on September 30, 2017, 06:28:40 am
I believe this is because authentication isn't fully implemented into Panel yet.

Cool.

If I could get plays logged and scrobbled, and compression enabled (which I see discussed above) I'd be pretty happy with Panel as a mobile player.





Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: RD James on September 30, 2017, 07:20:00 am
You can do that with firewalls or only forwarding the HTTPS port in the router. Fully exposing an unprotected system to the internet (or any uncontrolled environment) is not something anyone should be doing.
JRemote (iOS) can't connect via SSL, and that site to connect via an access key only uses HTTP.
Edit: and for that matter, if there was some way to get UPnP or Port Triggering working with it, rather than having to use Port Forwarding, that would be good.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: dtc on October 03, 2017, 10:10:42 am
Panel is coming along and is generally pretty usable these days for music on a PC. However, on smaller devices in Playing Now, the displays of the Name (Track)  and Artist data are often truncated. On a tablet and especially on a phone it is pretty much unusable for anything but short names. This is particularly a problem for classical music.  In portrait mode on my phone it looks like only about 12 to 14 characters are used.

Having the tags share the display line with the track timing does not allow enough room for the tags.  Gizmo, for example,  has the tags, the controls and the timing on separate lines. With that, there are only minor truncation in Portrait and in landscape mode there is a nice layout with long tags wrapped.    In landscape mode, it also switches the layout to make use of the extended width. Hopefully the Panel design can be changed to work more like Gizmo, without the truncation issues.

I am using .66 with an Android phone and table using Firefox.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on October 03, 2017, 10:18:00 am
We're aware of the problem.  Thanks.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: dtc on October 03, 2017, 02:11:59 pm
Thanks Jim. I will look for a new design going forward.

There was also a post from someone who said he say thumbnail text displayed in Panel, although I have not seen it myslf. Hopefully that is also on the list. Being able to show multiple tags should be useful, even if it isnot the full expression language available in MC. That post was specifically about HTML tags, which also would be useful. Do you know how he say thumbnail text in Panel? It would be a nice feature.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on October 09, 2017, 11:30:15 am
Newer screenshots (http://pix01.com/TF1%405V) from MC 23.0.70.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on October 09, 2017, 12:51:15 pm
Screenshots of Panel on a phone (http://www.pix01.com/gallery/8D12431D-7EA0-495D-9EA2-775091458CB9/Panel_on_a_Phone/)
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: tyler69 on October 09, 2017, 01:02:23 pm
Is there a way to change the video quality streamed to Panel?

I suppose the transcoding of the video files takes place on the server, not on the client (the computer I used for playback)?
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on October 09, 2017, 01:04:09 pm
That's correct.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: dtc on October 09, 2017, 04:58:41 pm
Screenshots of Panel on a phone (http://www.pix01.com/gallery/8D12431D-7EA0-495D-9EA2-775091458CB9/Panel_on_a_Phone/)

IMO, placing the thumbnail text on the album cover is not desirable. It saves space but makes the display hard to use.  I have many albums where the thumbnail text is very hard to read when superimposed. In addition, it is very easy to scroll through the list when the text is below the album cover. It stands out. With it is superimposed, it is much harder to focus on the text and thus much slower to scroll. You spend your time having to focus on the text rather than being able to scroll quickly. I can post screen shots, but I suspect most people will find issues with the new placement.

Also, the playing now displays in both portrait and landscape mode are incomplete on a phone. Many of the screen elements are not displayed. The whole design needs to be re-worked for tablets and especially for phones. What works on a PC does not work well on a small screen. Again, I can post screen shots, but anyone who uses Panel on a phone will probably see the same thing.

I am using a Samsung S7 and a Samsung tablet.

Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on October 10, 2017, 06:41:32 am
IMO, placing the thumbnail text on the album cover is not desirable.
We plan to change this.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: DJLegba on October 11, 2017, 10:15:59 am
I'm not sure if this has been reported before. I just got the 23.0.70 update and Panel appears to be ignoring the track number.

Edit: I think the problem is the album view inherits the parent sort. I have a view that lists albums in random order. When I expand an album from this view the tracks are also in random order. When I expand an album from a non-random view the tracks are listed in the correct order. The track list should definitely not inherit the sort order of the parent view.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: dtc on October 11, 2017, 02:33:33 pm
in another thread there was a discussion that a browser cannot take exclusive access of the output sound device on a Windows PC and therefore any audio that goes through a browser on a Windows PC will pass through the Windows mixed and therefore it will not be bit perfect. 

Given that, it seems than running Panel on a Windows client PC and outputting the audio to the client DAC will pass through the mixer and therefore will not be bit perfect.

I did a little experiment and played a 176 KHz file on a client using Panel and indeed the client DAC received a sample rate determined by the Windows setting for the sample rate for shared mode.

Can anyone confirm that this is the case - that a Windows client running Panel will output at the shared mode sample rate? And, is there is any way around this?

If this is correct, it seems like client server (Tremote) is the better way than Panel to get bit perfect on a Windows client.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: Hendrik on October 11, 2017, 02:54:47 pm
If you already have MC installed on a system, you can either use a local Panel to remote-control that instance of MC, or just use MC directly. Panel is not meant to replace MC itself.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: dtc on October 11, 2017, 03:05:39 pm
If you already have MC installed on a system, you can either use a local Panel to remote-control that instance of MC, or just use MC directly. Panel is not meant to replace MC itself.

Hendrik - just to be sure, you agree that Panel on a client PC will not be bit perfect.

I was hoping to use Panel on a remote PC where MC was not installed or where a different version was installed - like at a friends house. I can still do that - I just have to realize it is not bit perfect.

Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: Tom D. on October 11, 2017, 06:00:03 pm
I have an Amazon kindle fire.  Can I add Panel to it and if so, does this mean that I can use Panel on my tablet to play JRiver on my Bel Canto RefStream without opening JRiver on my Mac?  If so, How do I get Panel on my tablet?

Thanks
Tom
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: dtc on October 11, 2017, 08:14:47 pm
I have an Amazon kindle fire.  Can I add Panel to it and if so, does this mean that I can use Panel on my tablet to play JRiver on my Bel Canto RefStream without opening JRiver on my Mac?  If so, How do I get Panel on my tablet?

Thanks
Tom

You access Panel through  a browser. Not sure how well it works on a Fire. Within your network, just access through your browser using  the appropriate IP address - like 192.168.x.xx:52199. To access a playback system other than the Fire you probably need to connect the Fire to the playback system through an analog connection using the DAC in the Fire. I do not think you can pass the digital signal, unless you have a way for the Fire to connect digitally to your playback system.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: mkelly on October 12, 2017, 10:17:33 am
I bought MC 23
but I need a ROAD MAP to tell me how to setup PANEL.
I have no idea what I trying to do!
I would like to be able to play my music on my iPhone in my car, the music resides on a Windows PC at home
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on October 12, 2017, 10:22:24 am
https://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Panel
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on October 12, 2017, 12:01:11 pm
A demonstration of Panel is here:

Id Outside (https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,112181.0.html)
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on October 12, 2017, 01:09:27 pm
Two years ago, I proposed a theoretical interface call Pretty Face (https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,99290.0.html).  Panel is looking Pretty Good now.  Thanks, Brad.  Thanks, Keenan.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: dtc on October 12, 2017, 03:43:16 pm
Panel is definitely getting better, but I think the UI on mobile devices still needs some real work. Do you have plans for customizing the UI for small devices?
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on October 12, 2017, 05:29:15 pm
It's evolving.  Today's build should be better.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: timwtheov on October 12, 2017, 08:59:38 pm
Anyone having problems with Panel freezing when it's accessed? I searched Interact a bit but couldn't find anything.

I've tried it using Chrome and Microsoft Edge on both my desktop (the localhost) and laptop PCs, and I even tried it on my Galaxy S7's Chrome browser as well, and each time the page loads after I enter the User and Password, but I can't push any buttons (including the settings button) and eventually it times out, giving me the little Chrome sad face when I'm on that browser. I believe I tried it once after it launched from an external location to no avail as well. Media Network works, as I use JRemote all the time, both inside and outside my network. My antivirus is Windows Defender, and again, I think it's all set up properly, given that I can use Webgizmo, Gizmo, and JRemote within or without my network.

I attached a jpeg below. This is what happens every time. Any suggestions?

Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: dtc on October 12, 2017, 09:27:29 pm
I use Firefox on an S7 and have never seen that problem. I just tried Chrome on my S7 and it worked fine. Not sure what your problem is, but wanted to let you know that Chrome works OK for me on my phone.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on October 13, 2017, 06:19:29 am
timwtheov,
Firewall?
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: timwtheov on October 13, 2017, 07:21:22 am
Yeah, tried turning off Windows Defender's firewall in both public and private networks, to no avail. In fact, I believe that screenshot was taken with the firewall off. Regardless, just tried it again and same result with localhost:52199.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on October 13, 2017, 08:19:44 am
Try power cycling everything.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: BradATIMA on October 13, 2017, 08:37:06 am
Anyone having problems with Panel freezing when it's accessed? I searched Interact a bit but couldn't find anything.

I've tried it using Chrome and Microsoft Edge on both my desktop (the localhost) and laptop PCs, and I even tried it on my Galaxy S7's Chrome browser as well, and each time the page loads after I enter the User and Password, but I can't push any buttons (including the settings button) and eventually it times out, giving me the little Chrome sad face when I'm on that browser. I believe I tried it once after it launched from an external location to no avail as well. Media Network works, as I use JRemote all the time, both inside and outside my network. My antivirus is Windows Defender, and again, I think it's all set up properly, given that I can use Webgizmo, Gizmo, and JRemote within or without my network.

I attached a jpeg below. This is what happens every time. Any suggestions?

I noticed that in the image you posted, Panel isn't showing an images category. Did you remove or modify that category? If not, then that seems like it might be a clue.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: MGintis on October 13, 2017, 08:43:55 am
Can you point me to a post on hints to set up "Port Forwarding" so that I can use "Panel" from outside my house?

Or, if one does not exist (I have searched), could you create one?

Thanks,

Mark
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on October 13, 2017, 08:45:37 am
The wiki has a topic called Network Access (http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Network_Access).

Try your router manufacturer for specific instructions.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: DJLegba on October 13, 2017, 09:12:04 am
^ It froze on me once when I had the "About" dialog showing on the server, but I couldn't reproduce that problem.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: timwtheov on October 13, 2017, 11:39:35 am
@JimH: tried a power cycle, but still get the same: "Page Unresponsive" in Chrome and the equivalent in MS Edge.

@BradATIMA: I didn't do anything with "Images" in MC: still there, still working, though I never use it. That is strange that it doesn't show up in Panel, though.

@DJLegba: Yeah, didn't/don't have the "About" window up on MC. Thanks, though.

Any screenshots or log files I can send? It wouldn't be the end of the world if it didn't get up and running, but now I'm curious.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on October 13, 2017, 12:03:18 pm
What version of MC are you running?
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: timwtheov on October 13, 2017, 12:39:23 pm
23.0.70 64 bit
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: dtc on October 13, 2017, 06:10:50 pm
Panel on mobile devices is getting better, especially on tablets.  I like the wrapped thumbnail text and the number of albums/tracks in the album cover. But on tablets and especially on phones there are still some issues due to the small size. Here are some suggestions to think about, some based on things I like about Gizmo.  All of them are aimed at maximizing usability on a small screen. I understand this is tough when you are designing for both 21" screens and small phones.


1) Thumbnail Size  - The thumbnails in Panel should be smaller for a mobile device.   If I compare Gizmo, there are 5 albums across and 6 vertically on my small tablet in vertical mode versus 4 vertical and 4 horizontally in Panel - so twice at many album covers with Gizmo. There should be a slider that lets you change the size. Or possible, pinch the touch screen to change the size. Or a small, medium, large checkbox for cover art size.

2) Persistence of Playing Now in Album Cover view - After playing a track, if you return to the album cover views, a small version of playing now stays at the bottom on the screen. On a phone, that takes a significant amount of space. It would be nice to have an option to return to the album view without the playing now information at the bottom. A cover art icon in the top line that skips back without displaying the playing now option could do that.

3) Tag and Track Information To Show on Small Screen in Playing Now  -  In Gizmo in Playing Now if you hit the list button, it switches between a album cover view with track name, album name and artist name and a track view list.  Panel tries to do that all on one screen which means the tag information is either not there or truncated and the list is short. The ability to switch between the two types of views might be useful. One thought is to be able to tap on the cover art in playing now and have it get smaller and show the tag information. This would be a toggle. Particularly helpful on a vertical phone view.

4) Scrolling Track List  -  In Playing Now, when you scroll both the cover art and the track list scrolls. It would be nice to leave the album art in place  and scroll just the track information. In addition, when advancing from track to track, the display does not automatically scroll so when you get to the end of a screen you have to manual scroll to see the rest of the list.

5) Playing Now Tags for Classical - Playing Now shows artist, album and track. This is not optimal for classical music. There should be some way to show composer for classical. It could be inherited from the categories in the view, for example.  Using existing tags may not be good enough, since genre could be something like Opera. The simplest way would be to have each view specify the fields to be display, although that mechanism does not currently exist in defining views, other than the categories defined.

For some of these options, they may be only applicable on a small device. A Mobile checkbox in Settings would allow the user to select when to use the mobile settings.

Anyway, those are some of the things I see as possible improvements for mobile devices. You have probably thought of some or all of those things, but hope this helps. Keep up the good work.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on October 13, 2017, 06:58:55 pm
Thanks for your list.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: MGintis on October 17, 2017, 03:04:08 pm
Could you add a little more, in general, about how to get access outside of one's local network? Setting up port forwarding is not enough. I don't know what is missing.

Also, if Authentication is turned on, where do you approve the UN and PW so that no one else can get into the computer running MC?

Or, if I have missed a post about this, please point me to it.

Thanks,
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on October 17, 2017, 06:37:29 pm
Did you read the wiki topic called Network Access (http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Network_Access)?

For your own router, please read the manufacturer's instructions.  They vary.

You're opening a single port and re-directing it via port forwarding to a single computer where MC is running.

When you're uncertain what to do, try using Google to search for the question you have.  Include jriver to get more specific links.

For "port forwarding", doing that would get you the wikipedia topic:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_forwarding
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: okey on October 18, 2017, 02:20:49 pm
I have updated to the latest version tonight, but now when i click on panel on my android, the display is all over the place, it worked flawlessly on 23.0.60 but not now,  i have uploaded a screenshot, any ideas
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: BradATIMA on October 18, 2017, 03:51:00 pm
I have updated to the latest version tonight, but now when i click on panel on my android, the display is all over the place, it worked flawlessly on 23.0.60 but not now,  i have uploaded a screenshot, any ideas

Have you tried clearing your browser cache and history?
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: okey on October 19, 2017, 06:24:14 am
yes, tried clearing the history and cache, but still the same, worked fine before tho, even from my ipad it does not look right as before
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: BradATIMA on October 19, 2017, 09:01:34 am
yes, tried clearing the history and cache, but still the same, worked fine before tho, even from my ipad it does not look right as before

Try deleting the Default folder for Panel in Media Center and then reinstalling the latest version of Media Center. The default location for the folder on Windows is:

<Drive>:\Program Files (x86)\J River\Media Center 23\Data\Panel\Root\Default (32-bit)
<Drive>:\Program Files\J River\Media Center 23\Data\Panel\Root\Default (64-bit)

When you reinstall Media Center, it will rebuild the Panel directory.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: Fingerling on October 23, 2017, 04:44:04 pm
Used to JRemote, I've tried Panel for the first time today with MC23.0.73 64bits on my Android smartphone. It is incomplete but really promising.

Here the problems I encounter:

What I would like to see:
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: tyler69 on October 24, 2017, 12:54:26 am
How can I
1. change the icon colors
2. remove icons (e.g. I do not want the Engen icon, I do not want to see the Genre icon)
3. Resize the icons
?

Thanks.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on October 24, 2017, 06:53:05 am
At this time, I don't think you can.  The Engen button will probably disappear soon, unless you have Engen installed.

We're still concentrating on the core functionality.  When that's right, we'll think about options.  Don't expect many.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: BradATIMA on October 24, 2017, 08:48:27 am
How can I
1. change the icon colors
2. remove icons (e.g. I do not want the Engen icon, I do not want to see the Genre icon)
3. Resize the icons

At the moment, you cannot change the color of the icons. You also cannot remove the Engen and the Radio KISS icons. You can add/remove/edit the other category icons from Media Center. To do this, go to Tools -> Options -> Media Network, and under Advanced is the option "Customize views for JRemote, Gizmo & Panel." This will bring up a dialogue to edit the categories. You will need to restart Media Center before any changes you make will take effect. Icons cannot be resized aside from changing the width of the browser window.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: dtc on October 24, 2017, 12:00:48 pm
At the moment, you cannot change the color of the icons. You also cannot remove the Engen and the Radio KISS icons. You can add/remove/edit the other category icons from Media Center. To do this, go to Tools -> Options -> Media Network, and under Advanced is the option "Customize views for JRemote, Gizmo & Panel." This will bring up a dialogue to edit the categories. You will need to restart Media Center before any changes you make will take effect. Icons cannot be resized aside from changing the width of the browser window.

I do not see that option under Advanced or under Panel. Panel has an Appearance option, but there is no option other than a directory box  that not go to the directory is has at the top of the box.

Did I miss something?
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: BradATIMA on October 24, 2017, 01:01:28 pm
I do not see that option under Advanced or under Panel. Panel has an Appearance option, but there is no option other than a directory box  that not go to the directory is has at the top of the box.

Did I miss something?

It should be the first item under Advanced.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: dtc on October 24, 2017, 05:15:28 pm
Got it. I thought there was something new for Panel that provided more customization.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: stevedig on October 25, 2017, 10:20:55 pm
for this one...

"
2) Persistence of Playing Now in Album Cover view - After playing a track, if you return to the album cover views, a small version of playing now stays at the bottom on the screen. On a phone, that takes a significant amount of space. It would be nice to have an option to return to the album view without the playing now information at the bottom. A cover art icon in the top line that skips back without displaying the playing now option could do that.
"

i think all you need to do is hit the refresh button on the browser when the player is stopped, the player vanishes. the controls stay but the viewer clears.



If I could humbly add a couple of requests.

a. When you drill down into an album's content, i.e the list of songs in an album, perhaps we could throw a thumbnail of the album cover in the header next to the back button (thanks for that) and the home button?  (just a thought)

b. Need cover art for movie and tv shows, right down to the individual items under tv seasons or in a list of movies. I'm hoping that's in the plan somewhere.

c. Much like the other requester mentioned regarding album art in the player... it would be nice if the video player would freeze in place above the list of items being played instead of disappearing as you scroll down the list. if you guys get a chance to tweak the one, tweaking both would be great.

d. Color options for the home screen buttons. Some darker colors would be a plus. In a darkened room the pastels can be rather bright.


Absolutely love what you guys are doing with this. Keep it coming, I can't wait for each update to see what's new.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: BradATIMA on October 26, 2017, 10:06:57 am
c. Much like the other requester mentioned regarding album art in the player... it would be nice if the video player would freeze in place above the list of items being played instead of disappearing as you scroll down the list. if you guys get a chance to tweak the one, tweaking both would be great.

This should already be working as of build 23.0.77.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: AlexS on October 27, 2017, 11:07:33 am
Does not work for me via localhost. I run bitdefender 2018. Turned off antivirus and firewall... nothing sadly.

Running latest 64 bit.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on October 27, 2017, 12:37:01 pm
What's the localhost command you used?

What happens if you click on this?

http://localhost:52199
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: AlexS on October 27, 2017, 01:05:48 pm
What's the localhost command you used?

What happens if you click on this?

http://localhost:52199

Yeah that's what I did, and I also used the IP address of the localhost. Sadly it's refusing to connect on Chrome or Firefox.

Media Server is running in the tray area.

Appreciated.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on October 27, 2017, 01:23:04 pm
What version of MC do you have installed?
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: AlexS on October 27, 2017, 01:50:13 pm
What version of MC do you have installed?

23.0.73 (64-bit).

Thanks.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on October 27, 2017, 02:17:55 pm
I'm betting that the AV is still causing problems.

At a command prompt, type:  netstat -a

You should see an entry for 52199, something like this

TCP 0.0.0.0:52199   Your macchine   LISTENING
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on October 27, 2017, 02:18:28 pm
Also, did you try another browser?
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: BradATIMA on October 27, 2017, 02:28:53 pm
Does not work for me via localhost. I run bitdefender 2018. Turned off antivirus and firewall... nothing sadly.

Running latest 64 bit.

Just to be certain, do you have Media Networking enabled in Media Center? Panel will not work if it's not enabled.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: AlexS on October 27, 2017, 02:53:43 pm
Just to be certain, do you have Media Networking enabled in Media Center? Panel will not work if it's not enabled.

That's it, I guess I missed this in the instructions? If so I didn't see it I'm sorry to be so dumb..
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on October 27, 2017, 03:00:04 pm
That's it, I guess I missed this in the instructions? If so I didn't see it I'm sorry to be so dumb..
No.  That was my fault.  I left it out of the instructions.  Now fixed in the first post.  Thanks for your patience.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: AlexS on October 27, 2017, 03:23:12 pm
Thanks guys..
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: tyler69 on October 30, 2017, 10:25:50 am
Playback information does not show up for me. It shows only after I go to the "playing now" icon on top right. Also, the information still does not change with track changes (when listening to an album). Neither in "playing now", nor on the bottom left.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: BradATIMA on October 30, 2017, 11:25:08 am
Playback information does not show up for me. It shows only after I go to the "playing now" icon on top right. Also, the information still does not change with track changes (when listening to an album). Neither in "playing now", nor on the bottom left.

Which browser are you using, and does it do this with other browsers?
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: tyler69 on October 30, 2017, 11:34:02 am
Safari on macOS. Tried out chrome on macOS and it is showing the same behavior. In chrome it even doesn't show the track progress (stays at 0:00). EDIT: just checked, progress does also not move forward on safari.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: Manfred on October 31, 2017, 07:34:58 am
Does Panel run on Smart TV e.g. LG OLED?
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on October 31, 2017, 10:00:51 am
Panel runs on anything with a browser that supports HTML5.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: Manfred on October 31, 2017, 10:03:37 am
Thanks Jim. I will try. But the Browser on LG Smart TV is slow .-)
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: kdwykleingeld on November 05, 2017, 03:31:19 am
Hi, this is great ! A few questions:   

1) when i use the panel (mc23) on my laptop (firefox) to display images i can make them full screen.. but when i use the panel on my iphone or ipad using either safari or chrome or firefox i cannot make the images show as full screen but only small image (when tipping the square box in the image nothing happens - while on my laptop browser the image is displayed in full screen)

2) when displaying music the panel shows 2 files for each song since i have both a flac and mp3 version of each number in my library .. how can we filter out that only one file type is displayed in panel (or maybe even filter out based on other attributes)?

thanks regards koen
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engeni
Post by: drmimosa on November 07, 2017, 07:08:50 am
Playing Now on KISS looks a lot better than on Panel. Artwork, track titles, all look great on KISS. No artwork and truncated file names on Panel.

I'm comparing this, which appears after I load the KISS Webplayer url:

http://localhost:52199/WebPlayer/#/playing

And this, which is the Panel default playing now:

http://localhost:52199/Panel/#/playing

I'll attach screenshots if it helps compare. I'm using version MC23.0.80.

Any chance the Webplayer could be the default playing now page? Any particular reason to develop two separate now playing pages?
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: nwboater on November 07, 2017, 09:48:37 am
drmimosa.

Your links don't show anything so screenshots would be good.

Cheers,
Rod
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: drmimosa on November 07, 2017, 10:28:23 am
Thanks, I didn't want to list my machine online. You can plug in your own ip address to test, sorry that wasn't clearer.

In any case, I added some screenshots, good suggestion.

Also, I'm using Chrome on Android but can duplicate this on other browsers and machines.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on November 07, 2017, 11:56:16 am
I changed the links to use localhost.  Should work for anyone if you're running MC or Media Server.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: kdwykleingeld on November 09, 2017, 04:45:49 am
Hi, any clues on the fact that i cannot see images full screen on my mobile devices ?

Thanks Koen
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on November 09, 2017, 06:14:18 am
It's possible it's a bug.  We're still tuning. 
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: kdwykleingeld on November 09, 2017, 09:27:09 am
ok thanks, let me know if i can test / try anything

regards koen
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: tyler69 on November 12, 2017, 12:44:29 pm
Playback information does not show up for me. It shows only after I go to the "playing now" icon on top right. Also, the information still does not change with track changes (when listening to an album). Neither in "playing now", nor on the bottom left.

This is still valid for 81 for me. Also: wasn't there an indicator in the tracklist on what is playing now? I took the screenshot while track 3 already played. I started from playing track 1 and left it playing.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: BradATIMA on November 16, 2017, 10:33:00 am
This is still valid for 81 for me. Also: wasn't there an indicator in the tracklist on what is playing now? I took the screenshot while track 3 already played. I started from playing track 1 and left it playing.

Does this only happen when you're playing to the zone, Player?
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: cncb on November 17, 2017, 10:16:21 am
"Play (shuffled)" for a playlist would be nice to have.

Will it ever be feasible to connect to panel externally, somehow using the access key?
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: tyler69 on November 17, 2017, 10:41:20 am
Panel sometimes shows an empty page for me when I browse to PanelIP:52199.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: BradATIMA on November 17, 2017, 11:25:26 am
Panel sometimes shows an empty page for me when I browse to PanelIP:52199.

Are you using Safari?
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: tyler69 on November 17, 2017, 11:48:51 am
Yes. EDIT: Similar behavior on chrome.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: wig on November 17, 2017, 11:58:09 am
I'm really enjoying Panel. A few things


Thanks for all the work on this feature.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on November 17, 2017, 01:06:33 pm
Panel sometimes shows an empty page for me when I browse to PanelIP:52199.
Is Javascript allowed?

Do you get the same thing if you try from another device?
Title: Is Panel a replacement for JRemote?
Post by: sg60 on November 17, 2017, 06:11:06 pm
Is Panel meant to replace JRemote? I haven't tried Panel yet so I'm trying to understand where it fits in.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: jmone on November 17, 2017, 06:43:32 pm
Panel's Video Playback works pretty well with the exception of UHD 60fps material, for which playback never starts.  There is a burst of CPU activity and I can see an initial VideoStream, seg0 and seg1.ts files are created in the Temp folder but nothing happens after that. 
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on November 17, 2017, 08:32:57 pm
Is Panel meant to replace JRemote? I haven't tried Panel yet so I'm trying to understand where it fits in.
No.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: Kid Twist on November 17, 2017, 10:32:59 pm
Panel has suddenly stopped working for me. When I try to access it remotely in Chrome, either on a PC or on my Android phone, I first see a white splash page that says "JRiver Panel" and then I get a solid gray screen. No icons, no links. This started today. (MC 23.0.82, Windows 10)
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: tyler69 on November 18, 2017, 04:46:02 am
It might be a similar problem to the one I described above. Neither restarting MC nor restarting the PC (Panel connects to) helped. Clearing out the browser cache fixed it, which is not a solution IMO.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: tyler69 on November 18, 2017, 04:47:25 am
Does this only happen when you're playing to the zone, Player?

I just played to "Here" and I don't encounter those issues.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: sram16 on November 18, 2017, 08:03:53 pm
I'm sure it's been asked before, but will Panel get ratings? Ratings never worked for me on Gizmo (Android).
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: jack wallstreet on November 19, 2017, 11:04:40 am
Panel issues:

1. Panel works on safari and chrome, but ONLY if I play "here".  If I set panel to "player" the screen is black as people are describing and I don't know how to get it back to displaying anything.  Did not test IE.

2. Panel scrolling through playlists (when using "here") is MUCH slower than JRemote.  Too slow for my 400 playlists.

edit: under 1: when I initially switched on my iphone to "player" it did work.  I closed and could not get it to work again, even on another computer. (always a black screen if set to player)
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on November 19, 2017, 12:54:14 pm
In settings, you can tell Panel how many items to display.  If you have 400, try setting it to 200 or so.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: BradATIMA on November 20, 2017, 08:10:03 am
It might be a similar problem to the one I described above. Neither restarting MC nor restarting the PC (Panel connects to) helped. Clearing out the browser cache fixed it, which is not a solution IMO.

There was a change to the way Panel handles storing information in 23.0.82, which could explain why clearing the cache resolved the problem.

I just played to "Here" and I don't encounter those issues.

This should be fixed in 23.0.83.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: BradATIMA on November 20, 2017, 08:11:13 am
Panel has suddenly stopped working for me. When I try to access it remotely in Chrome, either on a PC or on my Android phone, I first see a white splash page that says "JRiver Panel" and then I get a solid gray screen. No icons, no links. This started today. (MC 23.0.82, Windows 10)

Try clearing your browser cache and history.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: Kid Twist on November 20, 2017, 08:33:35 am
Try clearing your browser cache and history.

Had tried clearing the cache already and that didn't work. Clearing history did, however. Thanks.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: Fingerling on November 20, 2017, 10:40:28 am
Hi,

Is there a way to save the zone and number of items per page?

When I launch Panel from a PC the zone is reseted to Here and the number to 50.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: BradATIMA on November 20, 2017, 11:39:49 am
Hi,

Is there a way to save the zone and number of items per page?

When I launch Panel from a PC the zone is reseted to Here and the number to 50.

That information is stored in a cookie when you change it, so if you're clearing out your internet history, it's going to lose those changes.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: Kid Twist on November 21, 2017, 05:04:47 pm
Had tried clearing the cache already and that didn't work. Clearing history did, however. Thanks.

This keeps happening so constantly clearing the cache and history is not an acceptable solution.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on November 21, 2017, 05:09:44 pm
Maybe you're not allowing cookies?  Or Javascript?
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: Kid Twist on November 21, 2017, 06:15:59 pm
Maybe you're not allowing cookies?  Or Javascript?

Thanks but that's not it either. Both are allowed -- checked both desktop and mobile (Chrome for Windows and Android). This behavior began with the update to .82. Haven't changed any browser settings since.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: BigCat on November 21, 2017, 07:50:50 pm
Hi, I am having fun with Panel and JRiver 23.0.82. I've got it working from phones and other computers on the LAN, and also from phones via the Internet. I set up my main computer with a static IP and did the port forwarding in my router. Then I even enabled SSL, and got that working from the Internet. SSL/HTTPS seems to slow Panel down a bit, but its cool.

Here are my questions:

1) Wake on LAN: Using another computer within the network/LAN using JRiver itself, I can get it to wake my main PC from sleep, but I can't seem to get Panel either on a phone or on a computer to wake the PC. Does Panel support WoL? It seems a bit limited outside the home if it can't wake up my sleeping computer. Suggestions?

2) SSL/HTTPS: Like I said it works, but the normal HTTP version still works, too. Shouldn't enabling SSL make it so HTTP doesn't work? Is this a security risk, or is it as long as I don't use HTTP (thus revealing my password), am I OK?

Thanks everyone!
BC
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: Hendrik on November 22, 2017, 02:10:41 am
1) Wake on LAN: Using another computer within the network/LAN using JRiver itself, I can get it to wake my main PC from sleep, but I can't seem to get Panel either on a phone or on a computer to wake the PC. Does Panel support WoL? It seems a bit limited outside the home if it can't wake up my sleeping computer. Suggestions?

Panel is just a website being served by Media Center running on your system, when its sleeping it can't do anything, and browsers can't send WoL packets either. Some routers have the ability to wake systems on your LAN if an external request tries to reach them, other then that there would need to be some other mechanism to wake it.

2) SSL/HTTPS: Like I said it works, but the normal HTTP version still works, too. Shouldn't enabling SSL make it so HTTP doesn't work? Is this a security risk, or is it as long as I don't use HTTP (thus revealing my password), am I OK?

As long as you don't use HTTP, there is also no risk of any information leaking out. Since basically everyone sits behind a router anyway, the solution to "block" HTTP would be to just not forward the HTTP port in the router, and only forward the HTTPS port.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: BryanC on November 28, 2017, 03:32:22 am
When using a nonstandard tcp port, I cannot load the new authentication screen remotely. It appears something is hardcoded with the default port (52199) and so even if I access the nonstandard port, the web browser is redirected to the default port and the connection is subsequently refused. This was never a problem using basic authentication in older versions.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: rec head on November 28, 2017, 08:23:52 am
I have Panel working fine on the LAN but not when I leave the house. Gizmo works fine when I'm not at home. Question: does Panel work outside of my LAN?
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on November 28, 2017, 08:33:07 am
Yes.  Here's a thread on this topic:

https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,113307.msg783745.html#msg783745
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: Kid Twist on December 01, 2017, 03:47:51 pm
Thanks but that's not it either. Both are allowed -- checked both desktop and mobile (Chrome for Windows and Android). This behavior began with the update to .82. Haven't changed any browser settings since.

Checking back in to report that since the update to .84, the problem is corrected. Thank you.

I do want alert you to a couple of more issues: 1) Long words in titles spill across columns in the thumbnail displays. (Maybe we could have the option to use smaller type under the thumbnails?); 2) The back button doesn't behave as I'd expect it to. Say I'm on page four of my Album listings. I click on an album, then change my mind and hit "back," either in Panel or in my browser. It doesn't take me to the page I was just on; it goes back to page 1.

Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: bhahn on December 02, 2017, 05:39:59 pm
Hello-

I just downloaded MC23 onto my wife's Microsoft surface pro, successfully registered the license and have activated the panel feature in her Firefox web browser. I can sign in to the panels, but none of the music library is showing. If I play from another computer it sees what's playing and I can control the song, but there is no library showing in Artists, genres, albums etc.

Can you please help?

Thanks.

Bill
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on December 03, 2017, 01:09:56 am
I just downloaded MC23 onto my wife's Microsoft surface pro, successfully registered the license and have activated the panel feature in her Firefox web browser. I can sign in to the panels, but none of the music library is showing. If I play from another computer it sees what's playing and I can control the song, but there is no library showing in Artists, genres, albums etc.
Firewall?  Open 52100 to 52200.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: drmimosa on December 04, 2017, 09:41:37 pm
I like the bigger square icons for Panel on my phone, aka Radio KISS. The small square icons don't always have enough space for text. Also the radio buttons are more colorful, which is nice.

Screenshots attached. Thanks for development here, it's a fantastic interface.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on December 05, 2017, 01:16:24 am
I like the bigger square icons for Panel on my phone ..... Thanks for development here, it's a fantastic interface.
Thank you.  I agree.  Brad deserves a lot of credit for all the hard work and all the minor tweaking.  Well done, Brad!
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: wig on December 05, 2017, 07:11:02 am
Skipping songs in Panel on my phone sometimes create hundreds of scrobbles in last.fm.

My current record is 691 scrobbles from one skip  ;D
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: Fingerling on December 08, 2017, 08:58:06 am
I'm curious about not merging JRemote and Panel.  I was thinking that merging would happen at medium-term.

While for me, JRemote is still the fastest and best UI app, Panel seems to become the front remote access app for JRiver.  If Panel will take the best of Gizmo and JRemote, what is the interest in letting these apps coexist instead of making Panel the only - and best - way to remotely control MC (over time)? Flexibility?
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on December 08, 2017, 10:00:18 am
Panel isn't meant to replace JRemote or Gizmo.  Its mission is to be easy to use and quick to learn.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: wig on December 08, 2017, 01:06:21 pm
Skipping songs in Panel on my phone sometimes create hundreds of scrobbles in last.fm.

My current record is 691 scrobbles from one skip  ;D

Update on this. It's the #Plays in JRiver itself that is spawning hundreds, even thousands of duplicate plays. It happens on my phone and pc in Chrome (I haven't tested other browsers yet)

I haven't been able to figure it out. Any ideas?

Here's a screenshot from my Top Hits playlist.

(http://hotspur.us/uploads/plays.png)

 
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: wig on December 08, 2017, 01:29:55 pm
I emailed  a log file to logs at jriver dot com


Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: BigCat on December 08, 2017, 08:38:51 pm
Can I set Panel up as a "Zone" in JRiver on my PC? I want to push music out to one or more Panel enabled devices on my network while also playing the same music on my computer (in sync)? Or is there another way to accomplish this?
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on December 09, 2017, 01:13:50 am
Probably not.  You need to start the audio from Panel itself.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: drmimosa on December 10, 2017, 06:49:48 am
You can accomplish this with a third party solution. Search for Tuneblade on the forum.

Quote from: BigCat link=topic=105883.msg784686#msg784686
date=1512787131
Can I set Panel up as a "Zone" in JRiver on my PC? I want to push music out to one or more Panel enabled devices on my network while also playing the same music on my computer (in sync)? Or is there another way to accomplish this?
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: BradATIMA on December 11, 2017, 03:45:29 pm
Update on this. It's the #Plays in JRiver itself that is spawning hundreds, even thousands of duplicate plays. It happens on my phone and pc in Chrome (I haven't tested other browsers yet)

Thanks for spotting this. It should be fixed in an upcoming build. Please report how it works out.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: tyler69 on December 13, 2017, 12:27:23 pm
Can the titles below the covers be made optional? Or the cover size-to-text-ratio be changed? It looks horrible.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on December 13, 2017, 12:37:25 pm
Could you post a design that doesn't look horrible?
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: mattkhan on December 13, 2017, 12:40:59 pm
Can the titles below the covers be made optional? Or the cover size-to-text-ratio be changed? It looks horrible.
looks ok to me so I suggest showing a pic to illustrate
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: tyler69 on December 13, 2017, 12:53:14 pm
Could you post a design that doesn't look horrible?

Absolutely, please find attached screenshot.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: tyler69 on December 13, 2017, 12:56:04 pm
looks ok to me so I suggest showing a pic to illustrate

Yes. Please see attached screenshots.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: mattkhan on December 13, 2017, 02:17:48 pm
It seems the text does not wrap when it is a long string on yours, what browser and resolution is that?

EDIT: I guess that is a desktop browser, panel certainly looks a lot better on my phone than on a PC (the ratio of text to icon is much bigger on PC vs phone)
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: tyler69 on December 13, 2017, 03:21:16 pm
Thanks, it's safari on a macbook running macOS (2.304 x 1.440).
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: David Sydney on December 15, 2017, 10:05:27 pm
BUG - collating display on recent list? Server side bug perhaps because this behavious exists on both Panel and Gizmo.

When looking at Recent music listing the one I use most; if there is an album of the same name - all of the tracks appear under the most recent album. For example I added recently Kiss album 'Revenge' but under it is both tracks from Kiss and also tracks from Eurythmics album of the same name. What's worse is they are alphabetical so Kiss is at the bottom of the list. When I scoll down to where the Eurythmics album is - it is not listed.

I have a total of 24 albums called "Greatest Hits" and they all apear under the most recently added 'greatest hits' album and disappear off the place in the list they used to be. So under the latest one I added which was Simply Red Greatest Hits, it lists 474 tracks but none of the other Greatest Hits albums exist in the Recent list anymore. As mentioned this behavious occurs in Gizmo also. In the main library on the server they are correctly displayed.

Enhancement: Also when scroll any list be Recent, Album, Artist - when driling into the album to see the track list, then go back to the list, the HTML page does not hold the scroll position and you end up right back at the top again. So when looking for a particular album with a track I remember I have to constantly scoll back to where I was before. Can this be fixed somehow?

Thanks - love the product...
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: David Sydney on December 15, 2017, 10:40:13 pm
Bug? I have stock standard setup in Media network, using port 52199.

When in browser , Localhost:52199 everything works as expected except when I hit the light bulb icon (not sure what it is but...), then I get the browser error
~~~
Hmmm...can’t reach this page
Try this
Make sure you’ve got the right web address: http://localhost:52125
Search for "http://localhost:52125" on Bing
Refresh the page
~~~

Seems like it has jumped across to use a different port number. This is on new installation of Windows 10-64, and running MC23.0.91?

David
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on December 16, 2017, 01:57:05 am
Bug? I have stock standard setup in Media network, using port 52199.

When in browser , Localhost:52199 everything works as expected except when I hit the light bulb icon (not sure what it is but...), then I get the browser error
~~~
Hmmm...can’t reach this page
Try this
Make sure you’ve got the right web address: http://localhost:52125
Search for "http://localhost:52125" on Bing
Refresh the page
~~~

Seems like it has jumped across to use a different port number. This is on new installation of Windows 10-64, and running MC23.0.91?

David
Not a bug.  Lighting (Engen) uses 52125.  It won't work unless you have a Z-Stick.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on December 16, 2017, 01:59:49 am
BUG - collating display on recent list? Server side bug perhaps because this behavious exists on both Panel and Gizmo.
Please try 23.0.91, available at the top of this board.
Quote
Thanks - love the product...
Thank you.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: tyler69 on December 16, 2017, 02:00:56 am
Can the light bulb (or the other buttons) be made optional to the user?
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on December 16, 2017, 03:28:15 am
We'll make a change soon for lighting.  Not sure about others.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: tyler69 on December 16, 2017, 04:41:23 am
Thanks. For consistency sake it would be nice to make changes to all of the icons. Also one can change the JRemote categories in MC. I'm thinking of an area in MC that let's the users define what they want to see in JRemote and Panel (not sure what else you offer). It might be a setting per "app". That would offer a single point of defining GUI's and the user could adapt all touchpoints with MC to his needs.   
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: David Sydney on December 16, 2017, 08:20:20 pm
Please try 23.0.91, available at the top of this board.Thank you.

Thanks Jim - but I am already running 23.0.91?

David
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: David Sydney on December 16, 2017, 08:23:44 pm
Not a bug.  Lighting (Engen) uses 52125.  It won't work unless you have a Z-Stick.

Thanks - I didn't know what the light bulb was for, so I will leave that alone now. Z-Stick is not available in Australia.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on December 17, 2017, 02:32:31 am
Thanks - I didn't know what the light bulb was for, so I will leave that alone now. Z-Stick is not available in Australia.
It looks like it is available there:
https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/board,48.0.html

There are at least two frequencies that Z-Wave uses, so you need to find devices that work in your part of the world.

More on our Engen board here:
https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/board,48.0.html
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: rlebrette on December 19, 2017, 02:34:33 am
I recently played with Panel, and it's becoming really usable. Keep up the good work!

It's still slow on displaying a lot of albums/videos/photos even on a gigabit network, I think that resources for items should be loaded in a lazy way (I mean just load what's currently in the display port).
Some years ago I've done a rewrite of Gizmo that uses external libraries (jquey-lazy-load) to help on managing this kind of aspect.
The sources are still available on GitHub: https://github.com/rlebrette/jrmc-jqm-gizmo

What about customizing the category/artists/composer icons, is it something planned? That could be used in the main interface too (standard and theater).


Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: BradATIMA on December 19, 2017, 08:27:39 am
Can the light bulb (or the other buttons) be made optional to the user?

This is technically already possible with most of the buttons, but it needs to be done in Media Center. With the exception of the Engen button and Radio KISS button, the other buttons can be changed by going to Tools -> Options -> Media Network -> Advanced -> Customize views for JRemote, Gizmo & Panel...

This brings up a dialog with the category structure that the user can modify. Just keep in mind that any changes here will affect JRemote, Gizmo, and Panel.

I will make the Engen button only appear if the Engen server is running.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: drmimosa on December 20, 2017, 07:48:31 am
Is it possible to get Authentication for Panel directly from he URL, instead of logging into the popup windows?

For example, https://localhost:52199/[Username]:[Password]/Panel/#/browse

I have a few applications where I want a direct link to pull up the website, but I want a password to protect forward facing web ports.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: Hendrik on December 20, 2017, 07:52:40 am
The syntax for that in URLs is the other way around:

http://username:password@localhost:52199/Panel/#/browse

Not sure that works reliably in panel quite yet, in a quick try it was a bit weird, but give it a shot regardless!
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: rlebrette on December 20, 2017, 08:28:59 am
The syntax for that in URLs is the other way around:

http://username:password@localhost:52199/Panel/#/browse

Not sure that works reliably in panel quite yet, in a quick try it was a bit weird, but give it a shot regardless!
It works perfect, it initiates an HTTP Basic Auth exactly like you have the authentication box. The only downside is that all credentials are visible in the URL.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: dtc on December 20, 2017, 08:36:35 am
I will make the Engen button only appear if the Engen server is running.

Could you do the same for Car Radio? I do not use it and if I hit the button it says there  no  Car Radio buttons have been saved.  Or, just let me deselect it in Media Network Setup.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: drmimosa on December 20, 2017, 08:52:54 am
It works perfect, it initiates an HTTP Basic Auth exactly like you have the authentication box. The only downside is that all credentials are visible in the URL.
Yes, works perfectly for me as well, both on local network and from the web. Thanks.

Does MCWS support Read-Only Authentication? If so, that might allow me to share Panel without giving out my "root" MC Authentication info.

Otherwise, sharing a Panel link with friends family gives access to system settings like shutdown and restart.

Perhaps Read Only login to Panel could limit playback to the Panel and not control MC Zones as well. Thanks for considering these suggestions!
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on December 20, 2017, 09:21:58 am
dtc,

You can right click on the Car Radio buttons and choose Auto-fill.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: dtc on December 20, 2017, 10:18:37 am
dtc,

You can right click on the Car Radio buttons and choose Auto-fill.

Understood. It is just not the way I listen to music.  I either listen to whole albums or jump around DJ style.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: BradATIMA on December 20, 2017, 11:22:24 am
Does MCWS support Read-Only Authentication?

Yes. Settings options like Shutdown and Restart require full authentication. These options will not work with read-only authentication, but you can still connect to Panel with read-only authentication.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: jachin99 on December 20, 2017, 12:57:52 pm
Just my 2 cents but I have actually come to like the idea of panel type interfaces that are really simple and run on low power devices.  I think this kind of thing is necessary to stay current with changes in new technologies
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: drmimosa on December 20, 2017, 03:13:56 pm
Yes. Settings options like Shutdown and Restart require full authentication. These options will not work with read-only authentication, but you can still connect to Panel with read-only authentication.

Gotcha. Set up read only and it works now with the link syntax above. Thank you.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: This2ShallPass on December 20, 2017, 04:05:42 pm
Any ideas on a Guest Mode? Or password protection (separate, of course, from giving them my Admin password)? Would love to share my library with some folks in my world, but seeing the new enhanced Settings (reboot, network options, etc.) make me nervous, putting them in someone else's hands...
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: drmimosa on December 20, 2017, 10:01:23 pm
Any ideas on a Guest Mode? Or password protection (separate, of course, from giving them my Admin password)?

That's exactly what I was enquiring about. It turns out you can currently set up a "read only" password for Panel. Go to Options=>Network and enable authentication. Then click on Read Only Authentication.

Share a link with the following syntax, using the read-only password and username and replacing the localhost with your WAN IP address:

http://username:password@localhost:52199/Panel/#/browse

It's not exactly a guest mode, as the user still has control of local Zones. But it doesn't allow for shutdown options. They will still appear, just won't work as a Read-only user.

Adding some options for restrictions on zones might be helpful in the future. Or, a WAN Guest mode in addition to root and read-only.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: David Sydney on December 21, 2017, 05:49:56 am
I have a total of 24 albums called "Greatest Hits" and they all apear under the most recently added 'greatest hits' album and disappear off the place in the list they used to be. So under the latest one I added which was Simply Red Greatest Hits, it lists 474 tracks but none of the other Greatest Hits albums exist in the Recent list anymore. As mentioned this behavious occurs in Gizmo also. In the main library on the server they are correctly displayed.

Is it just me then that sees this in panel, gizmo?
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: BradATIMA on December 22, 2017, 07:29:47 am
Is it just me then that sees this in panel, gizmo?

No. I can reproduce this problem, but I'm not sure how long it will take to fix.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: wig on December 22, 2017, 11:03:06 am
Really impressed with the development on Panel! I'm using it every day now.

Here's my current feature wish list:


Thanks again!
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: Kid Twist on December 22, 2017, 01:16:42 pm
I like the fact that with Panel, you've focused on simplicity and ease-of-use. To that end, a recommendation, if you don't mind: Remove the zones from the settings and let them live under their own icon, something that suggests rooms (perhaps). This way, you are putting the most important choices out front for the user -- what to play and where to play it. The zones, to me, aren't really a setting, anyway. And this way, you aren't inviting a novice user to start playing with any actual settings.

(I also agree with the people who've been suggesting some sort of user-account control. I want to give certain users the opportunity to listen to music on their own computers and mobile devices but I don't want them to be able to modify my library, play music on my home speakers, rummage through my photos or (if I were using Engen) operate my lights.)

Thanks for all the hard work. 
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: Weyeswon on December 27, 2017, 11:58:00 pm
I just got my Id Pi up and running - playing hi res and DSD files nicely from my Synology NAS to my DAC. I have been playing with Panel and JRemote today and have a few issues.

1- When I search in Panel using my iPad, the search results are not scrollable and the page numbers at the top are not static - they change (search works well on my Windows laptop and in JRemote).
2- Also, I just tried shutting down or rebooting from Panel on both the laptop and the iPad with no success.

I am trying to move to disconnecting the monitor, keyboard, and mouse but not being able to control the Id Pi remotely for a clean shutdown wouldn't allow me to do this.

Comments? Thanks.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on December 28, 2017, 12:18:05 am
You need to set up authentication on the server before a remote reboot will work.

We're still working on Panel.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: Weyeswon on December 28, 2017, 09:27:43 am
You need to set up authentication on the server before a remote reboot will work.
Could you hasten my search for the procedure to authenticate?

Thanks!
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: dtc on December 28, 2017, 09:49:11 am
Tools - Options - Media Network - Authentication
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on December 28, 2017, 09:57:00 am
The options page has a search window.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: Weyeswon on December 28, 2017, 11:25:20 am
Thank you dtc and JimH - shutdown and reboot work perfect!

New question: I've found using the search "wizard" in MC on my Windows laptop to be invaluable in finding my HiRes (bitdepth=16) and DSD(bitdepth=1) files.

Is/will this be supported in Panel/JRemote?

Comments? Thank you.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: bean_counter on December 29, 2017, 10:36:42 am
Just installed Panel on my Christmas gift iPad; essentially using it to replace Gizmo, which I had on an old cheapo Android tablet.  Has been a fairly seamless transition from Gizmo, but there's one thing that sticks out - scrolling. 

When scrolling through the Album thumbnails, the display doesn't "freewheel" when given a vigorous swipe.  It only moves are far as your finger, and stops right there.  With some long-ish album titles wrapped and taking up a lot of vertical space, sometimes I'm only scrolling a couple of rows at a time.  Makes finding albums a bit slow and clumsy.  I suppose I could reduce the number of thumbnails per page and navigate between pages, but it's still slower.


A "free-wheeling" swipe, or a "slider" button on the side, might make things a lot more user friendly. 
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: Weyeswon on December 29, 2017, 10:42:05 am
Just installed Panel on my Christmas gift iPad; essentially using it to replace Gizmo, which I had on an old cheapo Android tablet.  Has been a fairly seamless transition from Gizmo, but there's one thing that sticks out - scrolling. 

When scrolling through the Album thumbnails, the display doesn't "freewheel" when given a vigorous swipe.  It only moves are far as your finger, and stops right there.  With some long-ish album titles wrapped and taking up a lot of vertical space, sometimes I'm only scrolling a couple of rows at a time.  Makes finding albums a bit slow and clumsy.  I suppose I could reduce the number of thumbnails per page and navigate between pages, but it's still slower.


A "free-wheeling" swipe, or a "slider" button on the side, might make things a lot more user friendly.

I asked the same question a couple of days ago and JimH said they are still working on Panel which implies they know of the problem. It scrolls fine on my laptop with a mouse.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: Weyeswon on December 29, 2017, 10:43:09 am
New question: I've found using the search "wizard" in MC on my Windows laptop to be invaluable in finding my HiRes (bitdepth=16) and DSD(bitdepth=1) files.

Is/will this be supported in Panel/JRemote?

Comments? Thank you.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on December 29, 2017, 12:18:25 pm
I don't think so.  You could possibly build playlists of those files.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on December 29, 2017, 12:25:08 pm
bean counter,
Make sure you have the latest build from this board.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: bean_counter on December 29, 2017, 12:54:32 pm
bean counter,
Make sure you have the latest build from this board.

Pretty sure I have build 91 running (64 bit), it updated when I rebooted my PC and restarted MC earlier this week before I tried Panel.   

I'll check again when I get home.

Confirmed - running build 91
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: dtc on December 29, 2017, 01:06:28 pm
New question: I've found using the search "wizard" in MC on my Windows laptop to be invaluable in finding my HiRes (bitdepth=16) and DSD(bitdepth=1) files.

Is/will this be supported in Panel/JRemote?

Comments? Thank you.

You can create a view for the remotes with hi-rez files only. You just need to set a rule to include only files with a sample rate above 44.1K.  If you include 24/44 files as hi-rez, you can include that in the criteria (bitdept not equal to 16).
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: Weyeswon on December 29, 2017, 07:47:02 pm
You can create a view for the remotes with hi-rez files only. You just need to set a rule to include only files with a sample rate above 44.1K.  If you include 24/44 files as hi-rez, you can include that in the criteria (bitdept not equal to 16).

I don't understand- do I create this rule in MC on the Id Pi? When I use the MC wizard on the Id Pi to search for hires/DSD files, it shows nothing. The same search on my laptop in MC shows the correct search results.

I am running the latest update for the Id Pi - MC 23.0.84, ID 22.0.80 (I assume Panel updates with Id Pi updates).

Thank you for some direction :)
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on December 30, 2017, 12:49:19 am
Views are configured on the server.  MC on the Id, in this case.

https://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Customize_Views_for_Gizmo,_WebRemote,_and_DLNA.

Not all fields are searchable by default, but you can tell MC that you want a field (tag) to be searchable.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: Weyeswon on December 31, 2017, 07:01:18 pm
Views are configured on the server.  MC on the Id, in this case.

https://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Customize_Views_for_Gizmo,_WebRemote,_and_DLNA.

Not all fields are searchable by default, but you can tell MC that you want a field (tag) to be searchable.

Great tutorial! I now have new views in Panel and JRemote for Hi Res and DSD. However, the hires rule should be able to use "bitdepth>16" to capture 24 bit samples. Evidently MC on the IdPi does not capture bit depth from the song file, whereas MC23 on my laptop DOES. I cannot use sample rate as a rule for hires - it must use bitdepth.

Comments?
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: Weyeswon on January 01, 2018, 05:51:15 pm
Views are configured on the server.  MC on the Id, in this case.

https://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Customize_Views_for_Gizmo,_WebRemote,_and_DLNA.

Not all fields are searchable by default, but you can tell MC that you want a field (tag) to be searchable.

Let me ask the question a different way - how do I get the IdPi to extract the bitdepth from the metadata that I know is in the music files.

BTW, the tutorial helped a lot!

Thanks!
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: BradATIMA on January 02, 2018, 09:16:30 am
Just installed Panel on my Christmas gift iPad; essentially using it to replace Gizmo, which I had on an old cheapo Android tablet.  Has been a fairly seamless transition from Gizmo, but there's one thing that sticks out - scrolling. 

When scrolling through the Album thumbnails, the display doesn't "freewheel" when given a vigorous swipe.  It only moves are far as your finger, and stops right there.  With some long-ish album titles wrapped and taking up a lot of vertical space, sometimes I'm only scrolling a couple of rows at a time.  Makes finding albums a bit slow and clumsy.  I suppose I could reduce the number of thumbnails per page and navigate between pages, but it's still slower.


A "free-wheeling" swipe, or a "slider" button on the side, might make things a lot more user friendly.

Which web browser are you using? If you're using Safari, try a different web browser.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: bean_counter on January 02, 2018, 09:26:48 am
Which web browser are you using? If you're using Safari, try a different web browser.

Yes, Safari.  Any recommendation for a different browser?  I'm very new to the Apple universe, have always been a PC kinda guy (oh, for the days of MS DOS 3.1).
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: DavidMW on January 02, 2018, 04:12:07 pm
Wow, that was surprisingly easy.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on January 02, 2018, 04:43:31 pm
Wow, that was surprisingly easy.
What?
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: michmartin on January 02, 2018, 05:57:50 pm
Will you be coming out with a new version of Gizmo in the upcoming MC 23 builds?

Thanks

- Martin
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on January 02, 2018, 06:00:02 pm
Probably not.  Panel is the main focus for our development for remotes at this time.

Maybe you mean WebGizmo though.  Panel is replacing WebGizmo.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: michmartin on January 02, 2018, 07:31:25 pm
I like the interface of the new Panel....although I miss not having the ability to assign a song as next to play, or play the file only as you can with webgizmo, creating a song list on the fly,....do you believe you will add this feature into panel in the future?
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on January 02, 2018, 08:20:19 pm
We will add some more features, but not too many.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: bean_counter on January 02, 2018, 10:55:47 pm
Which web browser are you using? If you're using Safari, try a different web browser.

Tried Chrome; same issue
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: Weyeswon on January 02, 2018, 11:37:17 pm
Tried Chrome; same issue

I tried Firefox for iPad - same issue as well.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: BradATIMA on January 03, 2018, 03:26:34 pm
Yes, works perfectly for me as well, both on local network and from the web. Thanks.

Does MCWS support Read-Only Authentication? If so, that might allow me to share Panel without giving out my "root" MC Authentication info.

Otherwise, sharing a Panel link with friends family gives access to system settings like shutdown and restart.

Perhaps Read Only login to Panel could limit playback to the Panel and not control MC Zones as well. Thanks for considering these suggestions!

There is one more important note I wanted to add to this. If this instance of Media Center has the address of an Engen server, read-only authenticated users will still be able to access the Engen server if it's running. If you're allowing others to access Panel, I would suggest making sure the instance of Media Center does not have the address of the Engen server.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: DavidMW on January 03, 2018, 09:07:29 pm
What?
Sorry, I was not clear. I was referring to the ease of use of Panel. I just plugged in the URL, enter my access key, and Bam!, there it is. I've been using JRemote, but Panel shows real promise.

I will need to explore further.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on January 04, 2018, 06:19:38 am
Ok.  Thanks.  Good to hear.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: dtc on January 04, 2018, 10:24:26 am
There is one more important note I wanted to add to this. If this instance of Media Center has the address of an Engen server, read-only authenticated users will still be able to access the Engen server if it's running. If you're allowing others to access Panel, I would suggest making sure the instance of Media Center does not have the address of the Engen server.

I would suggest an option where the administrator can simply customize Panel to exclude Engen and/or Car Radio. Everything else is customizable, it seems these options should be also.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: tyler69 on January 07, 2018, 09:55:56 am
Can a constraint be implemented so that one does not "fall" out of the panel UI when hitting the back arrow "too often"? It happens often that I land on a webpage I used before Panel. There is lag when hitting the arrow, so I'm sometimes not sure if I hit it and end up hitting it more than once.

EDIT: maybe removing the back arrow from the "home" page would be also benefitial in order to avoid this behavior.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: Castius on January 08, 2018, 10:42:10 am
Good progress on this UI. Thank!

Video thumb nails is still way to slow. Even over local network.

My other issue is the with the next/previous page design. It just feels way to clunky.
Is it possible to implement a dynamically scroll instead.
https://www.sitepoint.com/jquery-infinite-scrolling-demos/

Thanks
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: RayDiant on January 09, 2018, 03:08:17 am
I like the interface of the new Panel....although I miss not having the ability to assign a song as next to play, or play the file only as you can with webgizmo, creating a song list on the fly,....do you believe you will add this feature into panel in the future?

I agree. The way I use WebGizmo was to scroll through albums and songs and add them to the current playlist. The fact that i can't do this with Panel makes it almost useless for me.

I really liked how JRemote worked. A mode was set; add, add as next to play; play all; play now... When a song was selected the mode that you are in determines the behaviour. This also prevented the annoying thing of telling it to play when you really just wanted the song added to the current list.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on January 09, 2018, 06:50:53 am
I agree. The way I use WebGizmo was to scroll through albums and songs and add them to the current playlist. The fact that i can't do this with Panel makes it almost useless for me.

I really liked how JRemote worked. A mode was set; add, add as next to play; play all; play now... When a song was selected the mode that you are in determines the behaviour. This also prevented the annoying thing of telling it to play when you really just wanted the song added to the current list.
We may work on this, but have you tried the Car Radio buttons?  You can right click on them in Playing Now in MC and auto fill them.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: BigCat on January 09, 2018, 10:08:02 pm
In Panel, on the home screen, is there a way to add text labels to the big icons? When I look at Panel all the other sub-menus have text labels. I found I can modify the sub-menus and their labels in JRiver's options as well. But I want to add text labels to the main icons.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on January 10, 2018, 06:48:22 am
In Panel, on the home screen, is there a way to add text labels to the big icons? When I look at Panel all the other sub-menus have text labels. I found I can modify the sub-menus and their labels in JRiver's options as well. But I want to add text labels to the main icons.
No.  Sorry.  They should be easy to learn though.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: Weyeswon on January 10, 2018, 02:15:24 pm
While browsing albums or artists in Panel, you are always returned back to the first page after looking at an album/artist and subsequently closing that view. Could you return us back to where we left off while browsing?

And the scrolling through search results does not work on an iPad using Safari OR Firefox. I never saw an acknowledgment from another member's post about this.

Thank you.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: BigCat on January 10, 2018, 10:30:00 pm
No.  Sorry.  They should be easy to learn though.

Thanks for the response, Jim. Then let me request this ability (being able to add text to the main icons) be added to Panel. When I was trying to show other "less technically minded" folk here this new great way they could control the music/media, the unnamed (and unnameable) icons were an "impediment" to my argument. It also seems inconsistent with the overall design of this great interface.

I understand and agree that with repeated use one can "learn" what they mean. However; the initial confusion (and the perceived lack of user friendliness that comes with the confusion) when a non-techie is introduced to Panel introduces unnecessary doubt, especially when they might not use it enough at first to memorize it. In fact, sadly, it may have been a deal killer.  :-\
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: BradATIMA on January 12, 2018, 08:44:07 am
While browsing albums or artists in Panel, you are always returned back to the first page after looking at an album/artist and subsequently closing that view. Could you return us back to where we left off while browsing?

And the scrolling through search results does not work on an iPad using Safari OR Firefox. I never saw an acknowledgment from another member's post about this.

Thank you.

Which version of Media Center are you using?
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: Weyeswon on January 12, 2018, 09:59:15 am
Which version of Media Center are you using?

Whatever the latest update for the Id Pi is - MC22 think. I just received the hardware 3 weeks ago and update it every week.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: BradATIMA on January 12, 2018, 10:11:12 am
Whatever the latest update for the Id Pi is - MC22 think. I just received the hardware 3 weeks ago and update it every week.

The IdPi is running a slightly older version of Panel at the moment. When the next update is available, it should resolve the problems you're seeing.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: Weyeswon on January 12, 2018, 11:17:03 am
The IdPi is running a slightly older version of Panel at the moment. When the next update is available, it should resolve the problems you're seeing.

Excellent! Thank you for the explanation!  :)
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: michmartin on January 12, 2018, 01:48:18 pm
We may work on this, but have you tried the Car Radio buttons?  You can right click on them in Playing Now in MC and auto fill them.

Are you referring to the car radio buttons in Panel or on the main MC screen?  If there is a method to configure the car radio buttons in Panel to add as next to play for example that might work for me...if not MC 23 is useless since I need to log in from a remote note book accross the room from my Win 10 server
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: mattkhan on January 14, 2018, 11:41:38 am
not sure if this is expected to work or not but it doesn't (in Chrome on both Win10 and Linux)

video seek does not work instead it resets playback back to the start of the file

the behaviour reminds me of linux video playback at some point in the past (https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=108688.0)
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: EarEar on February 07, 2018, 09:50:17 am
Continuous play has stopped working in Google Chrome

Now when using Chrome only the first track plays when selecting an album. Same issue from another computer (Mac) using Chrome. Works fine with Firefox on either system.

This happened immediately after updating to the latest (Stable) build
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: EarEar on February 07, 2018, 10:47:11 am
Just updated to 23.0.100 and the problem persists.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: RD James on February 21, 2018, 02:08:35 pm
Since Panel is apparently the future of Media Center remotes/mobile clients, I decided to give it another try.
There's a lot of feedback I could give, as it's functionally a lot more basic than JRemote, but there is one major sticking point right now, which leaves Panel unusable for me:

It doesn't support background audio (or controls) on iOS.
As soon as you switch away from Panel, playback stops. Note: this is with Panel added as an "app" via Safari's "Add to homescreen" option.
I'm having a difficult time finding out whether this is a thing that developers even have control over on iOS, if it's a web app.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on February 21, 2018, 02:19:11 pm
That could be a browser thing.  Maybe a browser setting?

I don't think this is the case on Android.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: mattkhan on February 21, 2018, 03:09:41 pm
speaking of "add to homescreen", panel isn't currently providing any icons here so it gets a default system provided icon

There's a basic example of how to do this in https://github.com/3ll3d00d/ezmote/tree/master/public (manifest.json for https://developers.google.com/web/fundamentals/web-app-manifest/ ,  apple-touch-icon in the html as per https://developer.apple.com/library/content/documentation/AppleApplications/Reference/SafariWebContent/ConfiguringWebApplications/ConfiguringWebApplications.html and browserconfig.xml for ms). There are sites that generate this stuff for you, e.g. https://realfavicongenerator.net/

Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: mattkhan on February 21, 2018, 03:11:13 pm
I also notice that it now makes you login multiple times, it presents a basic auth challenge (via the browser login dialog) and then presents the application login screen anyway. It behaves like the app is sending a request that requires auth before it even gets to presenting you with a login (and then the app is not realising that a token has been provided already).
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: Hendrik on February 21, 2018, 03:14:35 pm
If you access Panel right through http://...:52199/Panel/ (ie. straight to the Panel folder) then it should not be prompting the browser credentials. Only if you access the root it may ask that. We should probably exclude that, since its just redirecting to Panel anyway.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: mattkhan on February 21, 2018, 03:37:16 pm
If you access Panel right through http://...:52199/Panel/ (ie. straight to the Panel folder) then it should not be prompting the browser credentials. Only if you access the root it may ask that. We should probably exclude that, since its just redirecting to Panel anyway.
it requests basic auth if I hit http://...:51299/ or if I hit http://...:52199/Panel/

devtools says it hits

MCWS/v1/Authenticate?Token=null
MCWS/v1/Playback/Zones?Token=null
MCWS/v1/Playback/Info?Zone=10009&Token=null

alongside the page itself (which presents the login panel)

Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: RD James on February 21, 2018, 03:46:37 pm
That could be a browser thing.  Maybe a browser setting?
I don't think this is the case on Android.
iOS is notorious for only allowing applications to run in the background if they are a special application class, and the app must declare this; e.g. audio application, voip app, background fetch etc.
I don't know if web apps like Panel can do this.
 
What might be possible would be a 'native' app that specifies this, but loads panel via a webview. I really don't know, as I'm not an iOS developer.
But without background audio working, it can't replace something like JRemote.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on February 21, 2018, 04:11:08 pm
We're not proposing that it replace JRemote.

Did you try another browser?  Or search the browser settings?

It isn't Panel that is doing the playback.  It's the browser.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: RD James on February 21, 2018, 04:53:24 pm
We're not proposing that it replace JRemote.
Sorry, you had posted a message a few weeks ago saying something to the effect of: the original developer of JRemote having left, leaving you with a codebase that you aren't familiar with.
There haven't been any updates to JRemote for a long time, except for fixes for serious bugs, so it seemed like Panel was being built to replace it.
I've recently been having a lot of issues with playback via JRemote so I thought I would give Panel a serious try, but this is a dealbreaker out of the gate.

Did you try another browser?  Or search the browser settings?
It isn't Panel that is doing the playback.  It's the browser.
Everything on iOS is just a shell for Safari, and it doesn't have any settings which affect this.
Using the "add to homescreen" option in Safari is the only way to display Panel fullscreen like an 'app' rather than the viewport being cut down significantly by all the browser UI.
I see that in Safari itself I can switch to another app and the current song will continue - though it stops after one track. With it added to the homescreen, playback stops immediately.
JRemote, being a native app, allows indefinite background audio playback (when it's working).
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: Hendrik on February 21, 2018, 05:12:29 pm
it requests basic auth if I hit http://...:51299/ or if I hit http://...:52199/Panel/

Doesn't for me, if I hit /Panel/ directly, there is no Auth request. Make sure to fully clear your caches, so that no old Panel version is stuck somewhere? Of course also running the latest MC is required, the auth was changed quite recently. :)
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on February 21, 2018, 05:26:10 pm
I also notice that it now makes you login multiple times, it presents a basic auth challenge (via the browser login dialog) and then presents the application login screen anyway. It behaves like the app is sending a request that requires auth before it even gets to presenting you with a login (and then the app is not realising that a token has been provided already).
I've seen that and I think it's a bug.  Once you log in, it will remain connected until you log out.

This login / logout isn't right yet.  We're trying to move it so that it protects things like shutting down a machine, but doesn't get in the way of normal use.  Expect changes.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: tyler69 on February 25, 2018, 12:58:42 pm
I was using Panel just now for a few minutes and would like to share 2 thoughts:
1. When I scroll through my library (albums) and click on an album, the view changes to track view. Then if I hit the "back" button, I am brought back to the album view. However: the view does not remember where I left it. That can become tiresome to the user, since one has to scroll from the top to where-one-left. Especially in large libraries. Can the behavior be changed?
2. Scrolling through libraries might benefit from a vertical scrollbar "thingy" on the side of the screen that has a clickable alphabet on it.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: Bohemian on February 25, 2018, 02:41:50 pm
Well, after much work I have Idpi working and serving music up to dsd64 to my dac. I have found, however, that JRemote is extremely unresponsive in selecting albums and then starting to play music.
I have changed to Panel, which is much more responsive, although there are problems with track order sometimes.  I am also able to shut down MC from the remote.
Question: Is it possible to restart MC without physically rebooting the pi? Certainly Panel is not accomplishing this. It cannot log in because MC is not running.

The help on this forum is awesome.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on February 25, 2018, 04:33:35 pm
MC will restart on its own.  It takes about a minute.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: Bohemian on February 25, 2018, 04:56:56 pm
MC will restart on its own.  It takes about a minute.
Thanks Jim, but it doesn't happen for me.  When I shut down MC, the pi keeps powered but will not connect to vnc viewer of pc, nor to Panel or JRemote.
Or should I not be pressing the "shutdown" button in power options on Panel?

There is also a reboot option to headless text only, but I am loth to do this as I don't know where it would leave me.
Still these options are unavailable if I have shutdown power, as I cannot connect to MC nor to the pi unless I physically remove the power lead and reattach it. Then it automatically reboots.
I am sure I am doing something wrong!

On another matter, I cannot find assets nor lyrics on Panel. Is this planned for the future?
Thanks for your help.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on February 25, 2018, 05:38:10 pm
Shutdown turns the IdPi off.  It could take a few minutes.

There's no reason to shut it down though.  It uses very little power.

The Raspberry Pi has no power switch so you'd have to unplug the power after shutdown.  You could put a switch in front of it though.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: rrr on February 27, 2018, 03:46:02 pm
I've seen that and I think it's a bug.  Once you log in, it will remain connected until you log out.

This login / logout isn't right yet.  We're trying to move it so that it protects things like shutting down a machine, but doesn't get in the way of normal use.  Expect changes.

I am very new to Panel and the IdPi, maybe a whole 24 hours so far, somewhere along the way I lost the ability manage the Settings through Panel. I no longer see any options for shutting down or restarting on the Panel Settings menu.
I do have the Enable Full Authentication button in the Panel, get prompted for a userid and passwd.
I do not have Authentication turned on, I was only trying to check out basic functionality at this point.
I have ReadOnly Auth... > Everyone

This may have happened when I did the update to   Id:22.0.82 MC:23.0.102
I believe I did try it, set a userid and passwd, but it did not see anything different in Panel.

Do I need to Enable Full Authentication ??
I am just trying to use the local library and media at the moment.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: BradATIMA on February 28, 2018, 08:57:46 am
I am very new to Panel and the IdPi, maybe a whole 24 hours so far, somewhere along the way I lost the ability manage the Settings through Panel. I no longer see any options for shutting down or restarting on the Panel Settings menu.
I do have the Enable Full Authentication button in the Panel, get prompted for a userid and passwd.
I do not have Authentication turned on, I was only trying to check out basic functionality at this point.
I have ReadOnly Auth... > Everyone

This may have happened when I did the update to   Id:22.0.82 MC:23.0.102
I believe I did try it, set a userid and passwd, but it did not see anything different in Panel.

Do I need to Enable Full Authentication ??
I am just trying to use the local library and media at the moment.

The system settings part of Panel does require enabling full authentication in Media Center. There were several changes made to the system settings page recently. Before the update, you were probably able to see the system settings page, but most of the options still wouldn't work without full authentication. Aside from the system settings page, the rest of Panel will work with read-only authentication.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: rrr on February 28, 2018, 10:17:17 am
I tried enabling Authentication again and it worked ! I must have been doing some wrong the last time, maybe it helped when I cleared the browser cache, maybe it was my meager typing skills. But it does work now. In Panel , once I click on the Enable Full Authentication button, and type the userid and passwd, the new blue System Settings button shows up, It provides a clear and detailed set of functions that appears to be all the stuff I will need. Good job !
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: jb82 on March 02, 2018, 07:03:48 am
video seek does not work instead it resets playback back to the start of the file

Any plans to fix this? I really like panel, but this one issue makes it pretty much useless for streaming videos.

Chapters also don't work as far I can tell.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on March 02, 2018, 07:05:26 am
What type of file?  Are you playing from MC to Panel? 
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: Awesome Donkey on March 02, 2018, 07:44:26 am
Which web browser are you using? If you're using Safari, try a different web browser.

If you're using iOS, it won't matter which web browser you use as all browsers (Chrome, Firefox, etc.) have to use Safari's WebKit engine and not their own (e.g. no Blink, Gecko, etc.). So any issues would likely appear in any and all iOS web browsers.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: jb82 on March 03, 2018, 03:27:51 am
What type of file?  Are you playing from MC to Panel?

Yes, from MC to panel. All exhibit the same behaviour - MP4, MKV, VOB, M2TS, AVI... (I assume there's some transcoding going on in some cases)

Have tried with Chrome on Win10 & Android Phone.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on March 03, 2018, 07:26:31 am
You can set the conversion in the DLNA Server section of MC's Media Network options.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: Awesome Donkey on March 03, 2018, 07:44:14 am
I've been using Panel a lot lately with my new tablet, and I have to say I'm pretty darn impressed! I'm using it right now for audio only, but I have plans to move to video soon. However there's two suggestion/feature requests in regards to Panel that I have before it's perfect for me...

1) When I click on Artist or Album, Panel loads the list of artists/albums in pages with page numbers. I'd like to recommend to have an option to instead display and sort them from # to Z instead - each letter would be its own page instead of grouping everything to multiple pages with numbers.

2) Instead of just having a thumbnail view mode, it also needs a list view mode too, which would work best for me.

Thoughts? If you guys would like more suggestions/feature requests, I might be able to come up with a few more too. ;)
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: jb82 on March 03, 2018, 01:24:59 pm
You can set the conversion in the DLNA Server section of MC's Media Network options.

Thanks for the tip. Unfortunately this doesn't change the lack of working seek for videos :-(
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: BradATIMA on March 07, 2018, 01:36:22 pm
Thanks for the tip. Unfortunately this doesn't change the lack of working seek for videos :-(

There is a bug with seeking when playing videos to the browser.  That is being worked on.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: tyler69 on March 10, 2018, 05:09:57 am
When trying to rate a song (by clicking on the area with the five stars), the songs just restarts. I assume that is due to the rating stars being implemented on the GUI but the underlying functionality not yet?
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: tyler69 on March 10, 2018, 06:15:09 am
Can the "current-playing" indicator's behavior in the playlist that is shown on the right-hand side (artwork is on the left) be changed, so that it stays always visible (e.g. leave it in the middle of the page and move the tracklist "up" a song each time the next song starts)?
I currently listen to a long playlist and have a tab open that I check from time to time. Unfortunately, with the current behavior, I need to scroll down and look for the current track that is playing (in case more songs played meanwhile than are being displayed in the playlist on the webpage).
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: jb82 on March 10, 2018, 11:20:36 am
There is a bug with seeking when playing videos to the browser.  That is being worked on.

That's great news - can you confirm when fixed pls?
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: tyler69 on March 17, 2018, 09:29:37 am
Can the scaling of artwork be controlled? I always wanted to get bigger artwork (like slider the option in MC). Yesterday I changed the width of my browser and noticed that the icons scale but the logic behind this scaling is somehow irritating. When i have a narrow browser I see big artworks, then they become small when I enlarge the browser window. Can this behavor be controlled somehow?
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: TheShoe on March 20, 2018, 12:46:39 pm
Can the movie list in Panel show posters in a grid as opposed to a list?  And can the posters be poster dimensions and not square?

Same for TV Shows.  Would prefer poster dimensions...

cheers - trying to get used to Panel.


Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: kfrank on March 20, 2018, 01:03:58 pm
When I click on an album in Panel running on my music server (version 23 windows) the album does not autoplay all songs. It plays the first song and then stops, I have to click on the next song as each song ends, What am I missing?
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: BradATIMA on March 20, 2018, 01:31:59 pm
When I click on an album in Panel running on my music server (version 23 windows) the album does not autoplay all songs. It plays the first song and then stops, I have to click on the next song as each song ends, What am I missing?

I have seen this issue posted a few times, but I can't reproduce it. Can you provide me with more details? What devices are you accessing Panel on (i.e. iPad, Windows desktop, etc.)? What web browser are you using? Have you tried a different web browser? Are you playing to the web browser or a different Media Center zone? What is the full version of Media Center?
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: BradATIMA on March 20, 2018, 01:44:02 pm
When trying to rate a song (by clicking on the area with the five stars), the songs just restarts. I assume that is due to the rating stars being implemented on the GUI but the underlying functionality not yet?

Correct, the rating stars have no functionality other than displaying the file rating. At this point, there are no plans to add any functionality to them.

Can the "current-playing" indicator's behavior in the playlist that is shown on the right-hand side (artwork is on the left) be changed, so that it stays always visible (e.g. leave it in the middle of the page and move the tracklist "up" a song each time the next song starts)?
I currently listen to a long playlist and have a tab open that I check from time to time. Unfortunately, with the current behavior, I need to scroll down and look for the current track that is playing (in case more songs played meanwhile than are being displayed in the playlist on the webpage).

This will probably be added in the near future.

Can the scaling of artwork be controlled? I always wanted to get bigger artwork (like slider the option in MC). Yesterday I changed the width of my browser and noticed that the icons scale but the logic behind this scaling is somehow irritating. When i have a narrow browser I see big artworks, then they become small when I enlarge the browser window. Can this behavor be controlled somehow?

The scaling of the artwork is mainly determined by the browser width, but the type of media and browser height also affect it. This is to make it more adaptive to phones tablets and monitors, but there is no user control beyond resizing the browser.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: BradATIMA on March 20, 2018, 01:56:56 pm
Can the movie list in Panel show posters in a grad as opposed to a list?  And can the posters be poster dimensions and not square?

Same for TV Shows.  Would prefer poster dimensions...

cheers - trying to get used to Panel.

This can kind of be done now, but there are two caveats. From Media Center, if you go to Tools -> Options -> Media Network, and under Advanced click on Customize views for JRemote, Gizmo & Panel... In the Items to Show window you can see the hierarchy JRemote, Gizmo, and Panel use. Under Video, you could select Movies and then next to Show Categories In This Order, you could add a category, like Name. You would then need to restart Media Center to see the change.

The first caveat is that it's going to use squares, so it will likely partially cut off posters. There is no way around this for now. The second caveat is that you're really just creating another "folder" level where the folder icon is actually the cover art. The file list will still be under the new folder. However, with a lot of devices, you can click on the play arrow in the lower right corner of the folder and just go directly to playing.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: kfrank on March 20, 2018, 02:46:31 pm
I have seen this issue posted a few times, but I can't reproduce it. Can you provide me with more details? What devices are you accessing Panel on (i.e. iPad, Windows desktop, etc.)? What web browser are you using? Have you tried a different web browser? Are you playing to the web browser or a different Media Center zone? What is the full version of Media Center?

I am accessing panel on through chrome on a linux desktop.
My media center version is 23.0.103.
Not sure the browser or platform is relevant as I am able to access your "Id Outside" demo instance of panel(in the same browser at https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,112181.0.html) and it performs as expected when I click on the Bob Marley album it plays and auto proceeds to the next song when a song completes.

UPDATE: I have also tried this on chrome on a Mac desktop with the same issue, clicking on album, or playlist only plays the first song. Each subsequent song needs to be started manually. by clicking on the next button.

I stand corrected!!! Using Safari and Firefox on a mac it does auto play the next song. So apparently the browser does matter, but that doesn't explain why the demo works on chrome on my linux desktop but the panel my media center is serving does not. Puzzling.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: tyler69 on March 20, 2018, 03:43:53 pm
Thank you BradATIMA!
I hope the scaling of artwork will be user controllable sometime in the future.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: BradATIMA on March 20, 2018, 04:06:15 pm
I am accessing panel on through chrome on a linux desktop.
My media center version is 23.0.103.
Not sure the browser or platform is relevant as I am able to access your "Id Outside" demo instance of panel(in the same browser at https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,112181.0.html) and it performs as expected when I click on the Bob Marley album it plays and auto proceeds to the next song when a song completes.

UPDATE: I have also tried this on chrome on a Mac desktop with the same issue, clicking on album, or playlist only plays the first song. Each subsequent song needs to be started manually. by clicking on the next button.

I stand corrected!!! Using Safari and Firefox on a mac it does auto play the next song. So apparently the browser does matter, but that doesn't explain why the demo works on chrome on my linux desktop but the panel my media center is serving does not. Puzzling.

When the first track completes, does the playing icon remain on that first track or does it go to the next track and just not start playing?
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: kfrank on March 21, 2018, 09:32:07 am
When the first track completes, does the playing icon remain on that first track or does it go to the next track and just not start playing?

It stays on the first track and does not move to the next track.

UPDATE:
Ok BradATIMA. after playing with this for a while I noticed that this happens inconsistently in chrome. "Sometimes" it will auto proceed to play the next song in the album or playlist but not often.
The interesting part is that when it doesn't continue to the next song I noticed that on the track "current time" and "total track length" bar on the bottom right, the track would stop playing  approximately 1 second less or exactly equal to the total track time(and not proceed to the next track). On firefox or Safari the current time will continue to count to about a second past the total track time triggering it to proceed to the next song. Is it possible that there is a rounding up or down time in the code that causes chrome to cut the "current time" short before reaching the total time and therefore never triggering the code to proceed to the next track. I'd be interested to hear your thoughts. Thanks again for the help.     
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: badger on March 24, 2018, 12:00:18 pm
I also have the "plays only first track" issue with Panel.   For me it seems Chrome is the issue.  Android 7.1 with Chrome.... playing a regular playlist... stops at the end of the 1st track.  Appears to still be in play mode on the 1st track because only the pause icon is visible on the playing now screen.  Same thing happens on another Android 4.2 phone with Chrome.  I tried the stock browser on the 4.2 phone but it had serious display problems so I really couldn't navigate it.

Switched to Edge browser on my 7.1 phone and it works.  Plays all tracks on the playlist.  FWIW... I did have some display problems with Edge (font too small to read).  Restarted the browser and it was fine.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: astromo on March 25, 2018, 02:52:15 am
I've done a quick forum search (so haste may explain why I've missed it if the explanation is somewhere relatively obvious) but where's the shortcut on Panel for MC23+ to the old link to <ip address>:<Port>/MCWS/v1/ ?

[Refer 1st attached pic]

Am I the only one that found that link really useful for reference?
If I'm not the only one in that boat, I'd appreciate that Panel be modified to return the old functionality and have it located somewhere that's not too hard to find.


The other one I found handy from an old school user perspective is <ip address>:<Port>/WebRemote/
but I can understand the desire to retire an old interface and avoid maintenance hassles (note that I can still access this link in MC24).

If that's the case, will WebRemote be given the bullet at some time in the future?

The other features in the old Panel was the "Playing Now" button that seems to have disappeared from the new version.
(https://wiki.jriver.com/images/1/13/PanelScreenshot.jpg)

[Refer the 2nd attached pic for the old deal that I'm on about]
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: audiogym65 on March 28, 2018, 03:23:52 pm
Panel seems to play fine (except for going automatically to the next track) when on my home network (Ethernet cable connected to my work laptop connected via VPN to work intranet). While at work however, clicking the play button does nothing. My phone is able to connect and play using JRemote and Gizmo. As far as I can tell, nothing has changed when clicking on the Bookmark i have saved to access Panel. Is that not a good idea?

i am loving the quality of listening to my phone while at the gym or around the house, but the computer is preferred while at work. I am using the Audioquest Dragonfly v1.2 as my DAC.

Any suggestions are welcome.

thank you in advance.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: badger on April 10, 2018, 03:30:45 pm
not seeing many posts here.  Any further thought on the Android/Chrome problem of Playing only the first track of a playlist.  Do we think this is a Chrome issue?
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on April 10, 2018, 04:45:25 pm
not seeing many posts here.  Any further thought on the Android/Chrome problem of Playing only the first track of a playlist.  Do we think this is a Chrome issue?
No.  It was an MC issue and we think it's fixed in MC24.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: syndromeofadown on April 18, 2018, 01:17:26 am
I apologize if this has already come up in the last 9 pages. I have been trying out Panel with my audio as a replacement for JRemote. It isn't working out for me because I have a large library with thousands of artists and the pages with 200 items just don't cut it. I changed it from 200 to 5000 but Artist images wouldn't load and there is no way to scroll.

A solution may be an option to have text only lists when there are more than 50 items. Also a way to scroll quickly through is needed.

Thanks
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: tyler69 on April 18, 2018, 03:24:05 am
Can we get a volume indicator next to the volume slider? I am thinking on a percentage value (similar to the one in MC in the top window).
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on April 18, 2018, 06:41:11 am
I apologize if this has already come up in the last 9 pages. I have been trying out Panel with my audio as a replacement for JRemote. It isn't working out for me because I have a large library with thousands of artists and the pages with 200 items just don't cut it. I changed it from 200 to 5000 but Artist images wouldn't load and there is no way to scroll.

A solution may be an option to have text only lists when there are more than 50 items. Also a way to scroll quickly through is needed.

Thanks
I have mine set to 500 and the wait isn't too bad.  The speed of the network would, of course, be a factor.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: Transilium on April 26, 2018, 06:18:46 pm
This not work or is too complicate.please.simplify the acces to pannel.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on April 26, 2018, 07:10:38 pm
Try clicking on this link, on the same machine where you run MC.

http://localhost:52199

That's just an example.  You're connecting to MC from the same machine, but it will give you an idea of how it works.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: Mans on May 03, 2018, 02:29:04 pm
+1 for Tyler's suggestion  ;D

Would also love the idea the actual played tracktitle, within a playlist, would be always kept at the middle/center of the playlist.

-Using "/#/Playing" as a dedicated landing inside my iRule (RS232 gear) set-up.
Visualizing me both the Thumbnail incl the actual trackname, as also the complete playlist.
But as the actual played track isn't fixed, as it drops down the list, it's no longer visible to me after some songs.

Would be great, thanks in advance !

Can the "current-playing" indicator's behavior in the playlist that is shown on the right-hand side (artwork is on the left) be changed, so that it stays always visible (e.g. leave it in the middle of the page and move the tracklist "up" a song each time the next song starts)?
I currently listen to a long playlist and have a tab open that I check from time to time. Unfortunately, with the current behavior, I need to scroll down and look for the current track that is playing (in case more songs played meanwhile than are being displayed in the playlist on the webpage).
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: jb82 on August 30, 2018, 03:37:58 pm
There is a bug with seeking when playing videos to the browser.  That is being worked on.

Has this been fixed now?
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: BradATIMA on August 30, 2018, 04:38:58 pm
Has this been fixed now?

It was fixed in 24.0.8
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: jb82 on September 01, 2018, 09:31:10 am
so no fix for v23 users?   :'(
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: Awesome Donkey on September 01, 2018, 09:59:35 am
MC23's development cycle is over/complete, so probably nope.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: tripleweber on March 15, 2020, 11:23:35 am
Help needed.
I have just connected my idpi fully baked and after inputting my id code the jriver media centre page has frozen. The minimize / restore option is outside of my tv screen so I cant get back to the gui and I am completely stuck. The cursor is moving but I have no control over anything I click on. Should I just unplug and start again? I dont want to corrupt any software on the micro disk.
Any help appreciated.
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: JimH on March 15, 2020, 11:50:47 am
I'll move this to the Id board.
https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/board,42.0.html

Pull the plug if necessary, but is it connected to the Internet?
Title: Re: NEW: Panel -- A Built-in Web App for MC and Engen
Post by: roberttrebor361 on February 27, 2022, 12:19:50 pm
The app uses small icons that toggle through various modes. Something that requires familiarity thru usage. Not necessarily logical from a player control point of view. Seemingly too game like, trying to get from point A to point B.

I am using an iPhone11

Is there a clear guide that I can refer to?

Things like:

 How to remove a track from a playlist?

 How do I search Artist, Name, Album? Which screen do I need to be in?

 Is there a way to enlarge the bottom window while in a playlist to read the name of the 'Now Playng' track?

 The top window in the now playing screen is not readable. It's cut off on the bottom. Can I fix or remove it?