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More => Old Versions => JRiver Media Center 24 for Windows => Topic started by: Hendrik on February 28, 2018, 02:26:25 am
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Media Center 24 for Windows now has the ability to display and navigate Blu-ray Menus on decrypted Blu-ray discs.
Menu support is still under development, and while its looking pretty good in testing so far, remember that some discs may not fully work, and some interactive features specifically may have issues.
Menus are not enabled by default yet, so you must select:
Settings -> Video -> Play Blu-ray discs using Menus
Another way to access the Menu is by playing the disc in Title-mode (ie. without menus) and accessing the Playback OSD, which has a new page to restart playback using the Menus. This allows accessing the Menus on-demand when either Title Playback didn't pick the right title, or when you want to access additional content.
BD-J Java Menus
Media Center supports playback of BD-J (Java) discs. An appropriate version of Java will be automatically downloaded similar to the other playback dependencies.
This is a private copy of Java, which means that it'll not be installed in your OS, and only Media Center will know it exists and only use it for Blu-ray playback.
Remote Control Menu keys
Blu-ray Player remote controls typically have two Menu keys. One for the "Disc Menu", and one for the "Popup Menu".
Media Center handles the ordinary "Menu" key (also called "DVD Menu") as the "Disc Menu" key, which on most discs pauses Playback and returns you to the main Menu.
The "Popup Menu" key would pop up a smaller menu at the bottom of the screen which typically allows you to change audio/subtitles or use the scene selectors during playback. Unfortunately ordinary MCE remotes do not have a button for this.
Media Center introduced a new MCC command (10065) and a "learnable" button in its Remote Control configuration (Settings -> Remote Control -> Commands, Look for "Blu-ray Popup Menu") for this functionality, so you can map this to any unused button on your remote.
During Playback, you can also use the Playback OSD to open either of the two menus, unfortunately once the Menus are open, the Playback OSD becomes unavailable, and some discs do not have a way to close the Popup Menu without a Popup Menu key.
If you're playing on a PC with a mouse, you can also trigger both menus from the Right-Click context menu.
A general note on those menus: The discs themselves control which menu is available and its functionality. Media Center can only forward the button presses to it, and everything else is up to the disc. As such, not all discs contain every kind of menu, and several discs for example are known to have no Popup Menu at all.
Blu-ray Region Code
Settings -> Video -> Blu-ray Region Code allows you to set MC to be a Region A (Americas & South East Asia), Region B (Europe, Africa & Australia), or Region C (Russia & Central Asia) player. If you receive an region error during playback you will need to change your region setting to match that of the disc. FYI - Some BD Decrypters (like AnyDVD) allow you to remove region codes to avoid this issue if you have purchased discs from multiple regions.
4K UltraHD Blu-ray Support
As of Media Center 24.0.17, we're enabling experimental support for 4K UltraHD Blu-ray discs. Both SDR and HDR discs are supported, with a few limitations.
HDR discs require using Red October HQ, and manual adjustment of the HDR settings in madVR may be required for an optimal result.
On HDR discs, Menus and Subtitles will not be properly reproduced in HDR yet. This will be resolved in the future.
Limitations
- 3D is not supported, you need to use Blu-ray Title Playback for 3D decoding to work
- Secondary Video/Audio is not supported yet (Picture in Picture, Overlay Commentary tracks on some discs)
- Bookmarks and other Playback State (ie. audio tracks) is not saved/restored
- BD-J menus do not support mouse interaction, use arrow keys or a remote
- Menus/Subtitles on UltraHD HDR discs render using wrong colors
Reporting Bugs and Discs with Issues
If you have a disc that fails to play, or plays but has issues with the Menu can you please report and try the following:
- Name of Disc (and Region)
- Does the issue occur with both (Tools--> Options--> Video--> Video mode:) Red October HQ and Red October Standard
- Does the issue still occur if you delete all the folders in "C:\Users\[USERNAME]\AppData\Roaming\J River\Media Center 24\Plugins" (MC will re-download all the sub folders with default settings). Note: If you have customised any madVR Settings you will want to save the "settings.bin" file and copy it back into the madvr folder later.
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Found a disc which won't work?
We'll need a Log and the information which disc exactly is failing for you - not just the name of the movie, but the actual release. Please also glance over the list of known issues, unfortunately we cannot guarantee every disc to work right out the door.
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This is a great addition to MC! We now have easy access to all the content on a BD including:
- Correct Episodes on TV Discs
- Alternative Endings
- Bonus Content
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The integration between the existing MC OSD Menu and the BD Menu makes it easy to switch between the two systems intuitively. I've so far tested this on hundreds of discs and only a few show issues (from what I've seen you just get a black screen). If you have any issues you can just use MC's traditional OSD Menu. It basically just works!
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Love the BD menus! Just a question, isn't it possible for MC to include and use its own Java version (only available to MC), instead of us having to install Java "globally" in the OS? It is known for various security problems after all. I guess it would increase the installer size but surely not a big problem today?
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Installing Java by itself is not a security risk, since it cannot be accessed by just sitting on your harddrive. Just avoid installing the browser plugin if you're worried about that.
We are however considering doing just that, but we'll have to wait and see.
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Thanks, Hendrik, for all the work you've done on this.
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I believe there are portable versions of Java available which can be dropped into the same directory as the application that you're wanting to run without having to install it system-wide.
If that is the solution used, I would hope that it's downloaded as an optional component when you try to use Blu-ray menus, like many other components of Media Center.
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I cannot wait to test this feature out!!! How soon until we can get our hands on it? LOL
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will menus work if i have ripped to folder structure using makemkv, or do i need to rip to ISO?
cheers
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Love the BD menus! Just a question, isn't it possible for MC to include and use its own Java version (only available to MC), instead of us having to install Java "globally" in the OS? It is known for various security problems after all. I guess it would increase the installer size but surely not a big problem today?
That's exactly how we do it at the software company I work at. Sooooooo much easier on the end user, and we control which Java version is being used.
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That's exactly how we do it at the software company I work at. Sooooooo much easier on the end user, and we control which Java version is being used.
The only problem I have with that (speaking from the "help desk" side of things) is that all too often the application that installed their own Java Runtime gets broken when Java magically updates itself and gets a new folder path.
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But java wouldn’t auto update. It’s not technically installed, so there is no auto update function.
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;D I'm waiting/asking for it since Mc 18....and now that it's finally happening I'm not ready :D :D. I can rebuild a HTPC now...
Thank U that was the last missing piece to make JRiver tick all boxes of my wishlist.
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Hello!
I've just purchased MC24 upgrade.
Will the player recognize any BluRay 4K folders? Will UHD HDR 10bit content be reproduced correctly?
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UHD Blu-rays are only supported in Title Playback, meaning you won't get a menu. But they'll otherwise decode and reproduce fine. HDR requires Red October HQ to be used and a more powerful system, but otherwise works fine.
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Have I missed something? I don't find the MC24 release to try out Blue Ray menu.
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Have I missed something? I don't find the MC24 release to try out Blue Ray menu.
MC24 hasn't been released yet. Hopefully in a few weeks.
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It's a pity about UHD menu :'( , because Cyberlink PowerDVD Ultra works with BR UHD in full
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powerdvd is the ONLY offically licenced bluray software for BD-Menu and UHD menu playback (and thus has to fullfill and holds a whole list of protection mechanisms). It would take pages to explain in detail the history and technicalities of copy-protected DVD, BD and recently UHD material on a PC.
ALL other software solutions are no officially licenced players. The only one of these which as per today offers also UHD full menu support is DVDfabplayer 5 but is still full of bugs.
UHD playback on PC is really a topic per se...I can only recommend to google around.
Also we should not spend too much time posting about that...suffice to say that most of us can be thrilled that MC supports BD full menu.
...and yes I'm also eagerly awaiting first MC24 releases
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FYI - I've tested many 100's of BD and UHD discs so far and the JRiver Team has done a great job (props to Hendrik!). It is already looking very very good for BD :) and the integration with the existing MC navigation and menu system is great.
On the UHD front it is not (for now) supported but in my testing it works OK'ish on about 2/3rds of my discs. There are some visual glitches but it does works on these discs. The other 1/3 just don't work at all (just a black screen), but MC OSD Menu lets you select Title Playback and that works perfectly for UHD. From what I can tell, it appears that there is an authoring difference in the BD-J Menu code between BD and UHD BD and it also appears that it is down to what UHD BD authoring packages is used by the studios (appears to be 3 or so different packages).
Hang tight, it is worth the wait for MC 24 for us BD users.
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It won't be too long.
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Hi,
great!!!!
I must confess that I'm waiting for this feature with great enthusiasm. :D
Many thanks for this new feature!!!
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does one have to rip to iso or will this work with folder structure as well?
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Folder structures or actual discs, ISOs don't actually work natively, you would need to mount them first.
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Available now from a thread near the top of this board.
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MC24 is out and with it BD Menu Support and it's looking good!
From what I've seen the main issue is that some titles will seem to "stall" on a black screen at some time during either just before or after the Main Menu. If you get this then please post details about the disc and maybe a log. From my testing this only impacts a few % of the discs. If you do get a stalled disc, you can always use MC's Right Click on (up arrow) OSD Menu to switch to "Title Playback" and you will be good to go (sans Menu of course).
There is also some info in the OP if you get "Wrong Region" errors.
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First and as already stated. Thank you. This version really looks excellent. I had my fair play with the bluray menues which really work great.
I'm looking forward to the future development of this feature :
Audio and Subtitle selector is not active on some movies from the beginning of a multi audiotrack movie...it seems to come later during playback..
- First thing I noticed (it isn't a bug I assume just not implemented yet) when in Full menu mode for instance audio and subtitles selection is absent. ( the Madvr home cinema control panel list far less things - languages, tracks etc when in full menu mode than in the regular player mode).
Pop-up menu
When opening pop-up menu during playback how do I close it again without selecting something in it
That is all in display view....
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Audio and Subtitle selector is not active on some movies from the beginning of a multi audiotrack movie...it seems to come later during playback..
- First thing I noticed (it isn't a bug I assume just not implemented yet) when in Full menu mode for instance audio and subtitles selection is absent. ( the Madvr home cinema control panel list far less things - languages, tracks etc when in full menu mode than in the regular player mode).
You are supposed to use the menu for this right now, it has control of all those things. It is unknown if/how we implement this otherwise.
Pop-up menu
When opening pop-up menu during playback how do I close it again without selecting something in it
If the menu has no "Back" button, the only way to get back would be to map a button to the "Popup Menu" function on your Remote, or if you have a Mouse, there is an option in the context menu.
Also refer to the Remote Control Menu keys section in the first post of the feature thread: https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,114628.0.html
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Mostly the Down Arrow will take you out of the Pop Up Menu.
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OK
Am toying around with MCWS and MCC to see how I can insert the Pop-Up menu in the existing setup...I control exclusively over IP.
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The MCC for that is MCC_BLURAY_POPUP_MENU / 10065. Just for completeness sake, the Disc menu can be opened with MCC_DVD_MENU / 10033
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Brilliant..thanks
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Hendrik, do you have a roadmap for menu support for uhd and 3d BR? Will this be in mc25?
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Hendrik, do you have a roadmap for menu support for uhd and 3d BR? Will this be in mc25?
On the UHD Front have a read of the UHD thread - https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,115314.0.html UHD Menus "mostly" work in my testing.
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UHD BD is scheduled to be worked on in the coming months, 3DBD is probably not going to happen for now.
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Thanks for clarifying
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UHD BD is scheduled to be worked on in the coming months, 3DBD is probably not going to happen for now.
out of curiosity what makes 3DBD different in regards to menus?
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When in Menu Mode, the libbluray library is used both for both Navigation and replaces LAV Filters for the Splitter. If I play a BD3D it does work, but only in 2D. Given part of the logic to handle reading both eyes of the MVC (BD3D) video stream is in LAV Splitter (which is then decoded by LAV Video and untimely rendered by madVR), i'm guessing MVC support is either missing in libbluray or requires work to make it compatible with LAV Video.
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With this enabled, while playing a blureay from my nas, the chapter menu pops up at the bottom of the screen when a movie progress's through each chapter. I know this feature is new to jriver, but is anybody else seeing this, and if not, what am I doing wrong?
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With this enabled, while playing a blureay from my nas, the chapter menu pops up at the bottom of the screen when a movie progress's through each chapter. I know this feature is new to jriver, but is anybody else seeing this, and if not, what am I doing wrong?
I saw this as well when I watched 'In Time' on Friday night to test menu playback.
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I saw this as well when I watched 'In Time' on Friday night to test menu playback.
So its not just me...LOL!
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I just did a quick check on a couple of dozen discs (I don't have In Time) and I'm not seeing this issue. On some discs I do see the BD GUI appear when I do a Chapter Jump but not during normal playback. If you do see the BD GUI appear during normal playback can you please list the title.
Thanks
Nathan
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I just did a quick check on a couple of dozen discs (I don't have In Time) and I'm not seeing this issue. On some discs I do see the BD GUI appear when I do a Chapter Jump but not during normal playback. If you do see the BD GUI appear during normal playback can you please list the title.
Thanks
Nathan
Its not all titles. It doesn't do it with "Aliens" (My favorite), but it does with the following "Star Wars " titles. 1. A New Hope. 2. Empire Strikes Back. 3. Return Of The Jedi".
I haven't checked anything else yet.
Chris
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Thanks Chris, I can confirm my copy of the original 3 Star Wars discs do this as well.
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The popping-up chapter should hopefully be resolved in a future build. Took some digging, but I think I found it. :)
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Nice work!
Also thanks for the reports, pls remember to post info on what discs cause issues ;D
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The popping-up chapter should hopefully be resolved in a future build. Took some digging, but I think I found it. :)
Nice work!
Also thanks for the reports, pls remember to post info on what discs cause issues ;D
Thanks for finding it!
Just post any other issues for menus here?
Chris
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Just post any other issues for menus here?
Yes. Please do.
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My first attempt - Pixar Short Film Collection Volume 2 - crashed after the menu came up and I selected the language. I started playback by opening index.bdmv and then right-clicking and selecting "Switch to Blu-Ray Menu" at which point the menu for this disc prompts to select the language.
The PC locked hard. had to power cycle it.
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second attempt i was able to get to the main menu. from there i selected the "Set Up" menu and it displayed an incomplete set of options (there were three colored boxes with no content rendered and no way to go back; i expect the boxes were probably the various audio options available).
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Will keep playing around. i'll capture a log file and post.
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Pixar Short Films Collection: Volume 2 works for me. When I play it I get an initial splash screen to select the Language (English), press enter --> couple of splash screens --> menu loads --> play all or selecting a particular clip all works.
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Pixar Short Films Collection: Volume 2 works for me. When I play it I get an initial splash screen to select the Language (English), press enter --> couple of splash screens --> menu loads --> play all or selecting a particular clip all works.
i'll give it another try. see if the "Set Up" menu works for you. I only see three boxes -- Green/BLue/Yellow
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Still works - See pic. Are you playing from Disc or a Rip. If it is a rip you may want to re-rip (could be a bad rip missing files, I've had a few of these).
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playing from a rip. I was selecting "Set Up" from the Main menu, not the pop-up.
let me see how the pop-up menu works
i've been sidetracked however as i need to reconfigure madVr. In MC 24, It insisted on adding new devices for my Marantz and LG tv instead of using what was configured in MC v23. Pain as I now have to set up the custom profiles all over again. Oddly enough it shows my "old" devices but I can't make them active. weird.
nothing is easy :)
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It never is. FYI - that screen shot is accessing the Settings from the Main Menu (not the pop-up).
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i see the problem: we are not using the same movie!
i am playing Pixar Short Films Collections Volume 2.
it is the one with Presto, Your Frient the Rat, etc... the give away was your screenshots (hey it was late and just didnt click last night while i was looking at them!). :)
you are using volume 1 which has Tin Toy on it...
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Woops! Bad tagging on my part. Checked the (real) Vol 2. No crash for me and I can play the clips but I see what you mean on the Setup menu. You just get stuck there as there are 3 Boxes with no text and you are unable to select anything. I tested on 24.0.17 which will be out soonish.
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Video setting on Red October HQ:
Bluray Play Main Title only works great.
Bluray is played with full Menu Navigation, the sound and video, either as bitstream or PCM, becomes extremely choppy.
When video is set to Red October Standard, both, Play with Full Menu Navigation and Play Main Title Only works very well.
Video is Intel HD 620 integrated to the MB
Regards
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Split Video Stuttering (https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,115552.0.html)
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24.0.19 is now out. This included UHD BD Menu support.
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I think I have missed something. How do I navigate Blu-ray menu? I tried mouse and cursor key. Neither did not work.
Thanks for your help.
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Navigation need works with the 5 Nav Keys (Arrow Keys & Enter) from either the keyboard or Remote Control.
A subset of menus may also work with a mouse (these are called HDMV Menus but most discs now favour BD-J menus).
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...also make sure you have turned ON BD menus in Tools --> Options --> Video --> Play Blu-ray discs using Menus
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I can use arrow key to navigate menu. However, it does not highlight the menu selected. I have to count the number of key strokes. Another problem is the language selection in subtitle it gone.
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What disc are you using? Also for testing if you are using ROHQ try RO Std.
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RO standard solves the problem. Thanks..
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;D Next test (if you don't mind?), can you delete all the folders in "C:\Users\[USERNAME]\AppData\Roaming\J River\Media Center 24\Plugins" and try again with ROHQ. MC will re-download all the sub folders with default settings.
Note: If you have customised any madVR Settings you will want to save the "settings.bin" file and copy it back into the madvr folder later.
Thanks
Nathan
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FYI - I've updated the OP with the following which will help with narrowing down any issues:
Reporting Bugs and Discs with Issues
If you have a disc that fails to play, or plays but has issues with the Menu can you please report and try the following:
- Name of Disc (and Region)
- Does the issue occur with both (Tools--> Options--> Video--> Video mode:) Red October HQ and Red October Standard
- Does the issue still occur if you delete all the folders in "C:\Users\[USERNAME]\AppData\Roaming\J River\Media Center 24\Plugins" (MC will re-download all the sub folders with default settings). Note: If you have customised any madVR Settings you will want to save the "settings.bin" file and copy it back into the madvr folder later.
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Deleting the folders in plugin works. I found out it is the latest madVR 0.92.14 causes the problem.
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;D Thought that may be the case
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Well done, jmone.
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On my fairly low-spec laptop, menus only work properly with ROHQ. With RO, only a background image appears and nothing else. Is this to be expected? Already tried deleting the plugin folders.
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What is the full version? Build 27 is on the MC24 board.
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Some Intel GPUs have in the past shown issues rendering our Overlays in RO Std. Might try updating drivers. Nothing we can really do about that, since the rendering is up to the Microsoft video renderer.
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Thanks, I tried the latest from Intel (HD Graphics 520) but issue remains. I was using the latest from laptop manufacturer which was older. I'll stick with ROHQ then.
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I've got a few discs where (oddly), the ATMOS track is not the default (eg GOT S1 UHD disc the lossy DD5.1 is). You can of course change this in the Menu but I was wondering if there was a way of modifying this behaviour or making the selection being "remembered"?
(Edit - of course Title Playback picks the ATMOS track automatically)
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So I decided, as an experiment, to try using JRiver in conjunction with AnyDVD HD to rip a Blu-ray disc in folder structure (as MC will do automatically). To my delight, the menus remain intact this way and I get the usual prompt to play the result with said menus or in regular main title mode. Main title mode retains the full gamut of audio and subtitle streams in the context menu when played on the local/server machine. Very promising! You've really out-done yourselves, here.
That said, there are a couple of issues where clients in the media network are concerned:
- Folder structure rips like this cannot simply be streamed with their menus to clients, meaning that they must be on-the-fly transcoded as a main title stream. Not surprising—I assumed before this experiment that allowing streamed menus would be either impossible or a ridiculously complicated process. Thus, I'm using the H264-TS 1080p AutoFPS profile as I usually do.
- The main title stream does not, unfortunately, retain any audio steams except for the default, and none of the subtitle streams. This will be a problem in the case of foreign language media.
- The audio in the main title stream—at least with this conversion profile—is down-mixed to stereo and transcoded to AAC (according to the Xbox One). It would be vastly preferable to be able to stream the audio as PCM (or whatever) with no down-mixing.
I'm streaming via LAN between Windows 10 machines for now and testing with the Star Wars: The Phantom Menace Blu-ray release if it's important.
Can any of these possibly be addressed?
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I've just moved the development thread out from beta:
https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,114265.0.html
It's long but you may find some useful parts.
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If you're on the same LAN, and you're actually talking about Media Center clients, you can just setup file shares to the server so that the server and the client would see the files at the exact same path, and all clients would treat the playback as "local", even if its from a remote file share. That way you get the same amount of playback options on clients.
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Wouldn't that entail replicating my server's library (and settings and views) to the clients? Besides, that doesn't really address use cases for other renderers like the Xbox One or Panel, much less remote/cloud implementations.
I should emphasise that issue #1 in my previous post isn't super important (though it would be really, really cool); I understand if BD-J menus can't be replicated across the media network. I'd be more than content with main title play-back. That said, I would like to know if it's possible to retain audio and subtitle options as well as HD/multi-channel audio when streaming an on-the-fly transcoded folder structure rip from the server to clients. When streaming a source that is, say, an MKV, at least audio and subtitle options are retained.
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That's not currently possible. Blu-ray structures consist of a multitude of files, so they cannot be streamed "as-is", but only with transcoding or some other method of conversion, and transcoding is limited to the profiles you see.
We are planning to extend it in the future to allow multi-channel audio or perhaps even retaining the original audio, however it would only ever have one audio stream, not all of them, which is a strict limitation to how all files are processed for conversion in Media Center. So the only possibility of implementing choosing which stream you want would be to tell the server which stream it should put into your file - and I don't know if DLNA for example has such functionality, so that a XBox could choose.
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That's not currently possible. Blu-ray structures consist of a multitude of files, so they cannot be streamed "as-is", but only with transcoding or some other method of conversion, and transcoding is limited to the profiles you see.
We are planning to extend it in the future to allow multi-channel audio or perhaps even retaining the original audio, however it would only ever have one audio stream, not all of them, which is a strict limitation to how all files are processed for conversion in Media Center. So the only possibility of implementing choosing which stream you want would be to tell the server which stream it should put into your file - and I don't know if DLNA for example has such functionality, so that a XBox could choose.
What makes MC's on-the-fly transcoding different from, say, Handbrake and its ability to retain and transcode multiple input and output streams?
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Hello,
First, thank you for all of the work and effort on getting blu ray menus to function! Outside of Powerdvd, this is the best I have used.
I have also tried it on my half dozen uhds, and while a couple of the discs required a restart, after that, the menus loaded no problem.
I do have a problem with some blu rays:
I am attempting to play Homeland Season 3 from a nas device. I have made backups from both region A and B discs, using both anydvd and dvdfab. I have Media Center playback set to Red October HQ and use madvr.
When I start any disc from season 3, the 20th Century Fox logo displays but when that finishes, the screen just goes black. The only option I have is to stop playback.
I have tried this both with nvidia and intel graphics. The discs do work with Powerdvd, but I would much prefer to keep everything in JRiver.
Any thoughts and assistance is most appreciated!
Thanks!
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Hi,
I just attempted to playback blu rays with java menus... in contrast to yesterday, when all was working, java now appears to be non-functioning on previously working discs. I changed nothing in the settings between yesterday when all was good and now.
Thanks.
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Did you try rebooting?
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Did you try rebooting?
Hi,
Good news--the reboot restored service with my previously working java discs. Sorry, should have though of that.
Homeland still does not, but that was already the case.
Thanks much!
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Hi all,
I recently started using convolution for music and video, and It works great for both except when blueray menu's are enabled (only watching blue-rays), there is horrible buffering. It doesn't do it with the blue-ray menu disabled. Can anyone of you guys confirm this?
Chris
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Are you using the most recent version? Convolution with menus was greatly improved in a more recent build, and feedback from another user was also positive.
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FYI - One great thing about using the BD Menu is you get Forced Subs automatically without having to "find" the right sub stream. Love it!
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Are you using the most recent version? Convolution with menus was greatly improved in a more recent build, and feedback from another user was also positive.
Yes I am on version 24.0.41. I am also using a nas.
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I got it worked out. Taps were too high on the convolution file.
Chris
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FYI - came across my first Seamless Branching UHD - No issues with the menu, both versions offered and playback started on both just fine (have not watched either though however).
I have to say, the whole BD Menu works great!
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Spoke too soon! Attached is the log from "Star Trek Beyond" UHD. This one stalls on playback with a bunch of log entries (attached) saying "CBDNavDemux::BDLog: libbluray/bluray.c:2043: bd_read(): no valid title selected!"
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Spoke to soon! Attached is the log from "Star Trek Beyond" UHD. This one stalls on playback with a bunch of log entries (attached) saying "CBDNavDemux::BDLog: libbluray/bluray.c:2043: bd_read(): no valid title selected!"
It seems to want to play this but for some reason it doesn't exist or otherwise fails?
libbluray/disc/disc.c:424: error opening file BDMV\PLAYLIST\00099.mpls
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Checked the original disc and the rip. No sign of a 00099.MPLS. I'll try copying other MPLS to 00099 and see what works. Odd.
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Mmmm. Copying just about any other MPLS to 00099.mpls will work and playback will be fine but none of them are the "right" one. 00000.mpls is the one that does the initial language selection but if I rename that one there is no ability to navigate and select the language. If I use another then (say 00002.mpls) then it will play but skips the initial lang selection but does get to the main menu. So for me it is "fixed" copying 00002 --> 00099.mpls but I don't think it is "correct".
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What if you copy any old text file to that name? Maybe it's some bone headed DRM thing meant to confuse people like us.
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Doubt it is a DRM thing as the MPLS files are just "playlist" files that gives a sequence of what segments to play (they are not even encrypted). I'm guessing it is just a bug in the libblurray for this particular disc rather than anything more bone head from the studio.
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Had a good look at Star Trek Beyond and compared it to other similar authored discs, Star Trek and Star Trek Into Darkness. Did not see anything of interest with the structure or the file contents on this disc. Even cleaned our the cache and re-ripped. On the other two 00099.mpls just seems to be a very short playlist that displays a star trek logo. Copying this one over to Beyond also works. Of course the disc plays fine on an XBox One S so no idea why libbluray wants Beyond to have a 00099.mpls but it works fine if you do.
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This is a great feature for my BD Audio concerts ripped in BDMV folder. With my setup i have a multichannel DAC configured under "Player" that i can send DSD files, and now the HD AUDIO from the BD folders. That's the most important part---but how can i get the video from the JRiver playback window to the TV itself? Using my DLNA renderer wont work because the file is too large--is there another way I'm missing? I'm getting closer and closer to JRiver being all inclusive playback tool...
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All three of the just released Avengers UHD do the same (weird) thing. The first time you play these discs it asks for the Disc Lang, you select it (English for me) just fine but it then stalls and does not progress to the main menu. If you stop and play it a 2nd time, it has remembered the Disc Lang and the main menu loads and it all works from there.
The log was too big to open so I'll see if I can reset the cache and grab it over the weekend.
Edit: Here is the log after cleaning out the cache.
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Hendrik is away from his desk this week.
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Thanks - I saw that. Hope he is having a good Vacation.
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Mmmm. Copying just about any other MPLS to 00099.mpls will work and playback will be fine but none of them are the "right" one. 00000.mpls is the one that does the initial language selection but if I rename that one there is no ability to navigate and select the language. If I use another then (say 00002.mpls) then it will play but skips the initial lang selection but does get to the main menu. So for me it is "fixed" copying 00002 --> 00099.mpls but I don't think it is "correct".
My copy of Star Trek Beyond on UHD exhibits the same problem, so thats good. The file is definitely missing, but maybe it should just skip that title and continue. Will have to check on that.
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All three of the just released Avengers UHD do the same (weird) thing. The first time you play these discs it asks for the Disc Lang, you select it (English for me) just fine but it then stalls and does not progress to the main menu. If you stop and play it a 2nd time, it has remembered the Disc Lang and the main menu loads and it all works from there.
Mine does that too. Not sure whats wrong with this. Maybe something missing for UHD support. It is ultimately still "experimental" :)
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:) pretty solid for "experimental" ... more some rough edges! I've now got some 130 UHD and most are good to go.
Edit - Hope you had a good week off!
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My copy of Star Trek Beyond on UHD exhibits the same problem, so thats good. The file is definitely missing, but maybe it should just skip that title and continue. Will have to check on that.
Made this work by resuming the HDMV execution if playing a title fails. Seems to fix this disc nicely.
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Nice - surprised that HDMV helps on UHD, I thought they were all 100% BD-J?
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Nah they are typically a mix, on simple titles the initial part is HDMV and BD-J is for the menus and the main title.
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Thanks... makes sense, use HDMV so users can pick the Menu Language then BD-J for the actual Main Menu etc. Did it also fix the Avengers?
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Confirmed that Star Trek Beyond is fixed. No change to the Avengers oddness for me.
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I have some problem using blurays decoded with AnyDVD HD, the "speed menu" function do not show text, only the background picture. This come form 24.0.46.
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Confirmed that Star Trek Beyond is fixed. No change to the Avengers oddness for me.
I am having the same issue on some discs.
Changing the video from custom to Red October HQ seems to help, for now
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I see there has been a bit of activity on the libbluray git (http://git.videolan.org/?p=libbluray.git) in recent days.
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Just a follow up
Seems that my problem was being caused by a leftover from an old installation
Self inflicted
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FYI - One great thing about using the BD Menu is you get Forced Subs automatically without having to "find" the right sub stream. Love it!
I can't get forced subs to work for UHD. Tried the Hunt for Red October. Playback of the individual m2ts shows the forced subs but from menu playback does not.
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Are you using the MC Shipped version of MadVR (there is a bug in the later versions of MadVR where subs don't show. Madshi knows about it and it will be fixed in the next version). Also to check you can try RO Std.
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Are you using the MC Shipped version of MadVR (there is a bug in the later versions of MadVR where subs don't show. Madshi knows about it and it will be fixed in the next version). Also to check you can try RO Std.
i am not due to a bug in that version of madvr where editing profile names does not work correctly. every key press causes the profile field to lose focus. however i will back up current version and give it a try.
forced subs do work fine from mkv or m2ts file playback
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The bug has a few manifestations, this one is the Subs when playing from the menu are actually drawn off the screen (if you make a wide window with the movie in the centre you will see it on the far right). Subs reapear in the correct area if there is other OSD happening. Anyway, madshi is aware of it and he says it will be fixed in the next release. The new release looks like it will be ready soon - the work for HDR --> SDR is nearing a conclusion.
So for now.... pick your bug!
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Seems using the shipped version of madvr with MC v24 fixed the forced subs :)
The other nag I have with it editing profile names I can live with since it's a set-and-forget type of operation.
Thanks for the info re: the defect.
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Has anyone noticed any lip-sync issues with playback?
At least on two movies, the extras for Deadpool 2 and Clear and Present Danger I have to set the offset to -120ms for audio and video to sync.
Interestingly the movie playback seems fine. I'll test some more.
BTW - this feature has me watching Extras again. Amazing how lazy I've become that I can't just pop the disc into the player ;>)
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Unfortunately it does not work with the menu of the calibration BD Ted's LightSpace CMS Calibration Disk,
it's a real shame, because I've always used it with all the players (TMT and PDVD) :-\
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FYI Solo UHD showed the same behaviour as on some other UHD Discs were the initial Pre Menu "Disc Language" menu will let you select the Lang to use but it then does not progress to the Disc Menu. 2nd Playback is fine (as you go straight to the Disc Menu).
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There have been reports of ATMOS drop outs with Incredibles 2 (another Disney Title), and I've got the Oz UHD Version and can confirm that at around 3:16 there is a drop out, but it is a bit different than last time. While the drop out is brief (my AVR GUI shows it as well) and is 100% repeatable if playing from the beginning, if you do a seek back it does not happen at the same spot. I've attached a log that:
- Shows the drop out at 3:16
- A seek back after the drop out to before 3:16
- No drop out at 3:16
Thanks
Nathan
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FYI Solo UHD showed the same behaviour as on some other UHD Discs were the initial Pre Menu "Disc Language" menu will let you select the Lang to use but it then does not progress to the Disc Menu. 2nd Playback is fine (as you go straight to the Disc Menu).
FYI - Incredibles 2 also shows this issues (among a bunch of others).
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Watched UHD Incredibles 2 all the way through last night, bitstreaming ATMOS in Title Mode. Lots of short drop out.
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Any thoughts on these drop outs? Is is just a bad disk?
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How good is the BD Menus! ;D I got a UHD BD of Westworld Season 2 and these discs are a pain to work out what MPLS = What Eps as they don't seem to follow any order that makes senses. Not to worry, as fired each disc up with Menu Support, and using the BD Pop Up Menu selected each eps and noted down the Duration in the MC Playback Header. When I then created the BD Particles it was easy to tag each one with the correct EPS # then do a Lookup of the TV Info. Job done and it the correct order! Love it!
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Also got Sherlock on UHD and the Beeb has done a 50i--> 23.976 conversion on it. :'( Quick look on the into and you can see the judder this has introduced (where the Ferris Wheel goes round) but you don't notice it as much during the actual EPS. What a shame.
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good to know regarding westworld season 2. mine just arrived and i have not ripped it yet.
you should see the mess fox did with fringe by the way. earlier seasons are all one m2ts file per disc and not separate by episode. i had to split them into episodes at the time with mkvtoolsnix.
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i’ve been very happy with the menu support so far!
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FYI - If you select the Rip in MC then Right Click --> Stacks --> Advanced --> Auto Create BD/DVD Title Particles, MC will add to your library an entry for every Playlist, and there will be one for each Eps (MPLS). Once you work out which one is what EPS you can tag them up and update the info using "Get Movie and TV Info". Ideally, once there are more Options in "Convert Format" you could then mux them out to MKV for each eps if you want .... but for me these particles just work for both MC playback and also clients.
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There have been reports of ATMOS drop outs with Incredibles 2 (another Disney Title), and I've got the Oz UHD Version and can confirm that at around 3:16 there is a drop out, but it is a bit different than last time. While the drop out is brief (my AVR GUI shows it as well) and is 100% repeatable if playing from the beginning, if you do a seek back it does not happen at the same spot. I've attached a log that:
- Shows the drop out at 3:16
- A seek back after the drop out to before 3:16
- No drop out at 3:16
Thanks
Nathan
FYI - Seen a few other posts with conflicting info, but for me at least, the drop outs only happen with bitstreaming from LAV. No drop out at the 3:16 point with decoding from MC, or when bitstreaming from a XBOX One S.
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How about in menu mode? That uses an entirely different demuxer afterall.
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My ripping tool of choice has been updated today with the following fix:
- fix: more sub version of Dolby Atmos are supported
I'm re-ripping Incredibles 2 UHD to MKV as we speak and plan on testing it again. One thing I can try when that's done if there's still audio issues is to play the same MKV with my SHIELD and see if it has the same problem. Would like to rule out LAV if possible.
EDIT:
Finished the rip and played in MC. Several audio drops and finally lost audio completely just before the hover train scene. SIGH. I'll play on the SHIELD and see if it's any different there.
EDIT 2:
Alright, sorry Hendrik, but, this is without a doubt a LAV issue. I am playing the exact same MKV on my SHIELD and not one audio drop even through the hover train scene where it completely dropped audio in MC. Something's not right.
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How about in menu mode? That uses an entirely different demuxer afterall.
Retested using a Folder Rip.
- The 3:16 Drop out Only happens when Bitstreaming and happens in both Title and Menu mode.
- There is No 3:16 Drop out in either Title or Menu mode when Decoding.
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i can also confirm dropout while bitstreaming. decoded works fine
this was from an mkv
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Different topic:
I was playing back via BluRay Menu Steven Wilson's Home Invasion concert.
I played an interview with him and subtitles were stuck on. No way to disable them.
Checked in my Oppo player and the sub track is not on by default.
Anything I can provide to help with this?
thanks
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Menus have been working great for me. Only issue remains the inability to select audio/subtitles during playback, PUO-permitting of course (prohibited user operations).
Not all discs provide a quick pop-up menu to make selections on the fly unfortunately.
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is that why i can’t disable subs? maybe that is buried back in this thread.
odd the subs turn on by default though
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You should be able to disable them from the disc's menu (subtitles=off/none), and then start playback. If not, something else is going on.
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No idea why it would have been ON (or forced ON) by default as I don't have that disc, but may be able to turn it off in the BD Menu (or Pop Up). Also depending on your ripper you have "Remove prohibited user operations" option (eg AnyDVD has this option). That said I'm not sure that libbluray even bothers reading or enforcing the PUO flags (Hendrik may know).
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So it was "pilot error":
When setting up the "Audio Options" from the menus, after selecting the audio format I want, it immediately highlights the first subtitle (English) under the Subtitles options.
Was not paying attention and selected English instead of "Off" which was at the bottom of the list.
So while I was unable to disable after playback, subtitles are indeed not "stuck on" by default.
All is well :)
On a side note - highly recommend anything by Steven Wilson
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PEBCAK :) and we all do it. I've sent Hendrik on may wild goose chases during the testing. Glad it is sorted.
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Hi Hendrik, any luck with the drop outs on Incredibles 2 or do you need any more test, logs, samples etc?
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Hi guys,
Does this function support playback of alternate angles?
I have the Police Bluray concert and in the pop up menu I can select the alternate angle button (for 2 songs on the disc that have alternate angles) but it does not invoke same, just continues to play the main track (view).
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i have no idea. will try to find a movie i have to see if it does. i am still in the process of re-ripping discs to folder backups. will look for one with multiple angles
there are at times some strange issues where for example my xfiles season 2 rips the extras have video playback in ff but the audio is normal
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I was trying to find a movie in my collection with Angles but could not find a list of what discs have them, and I don't have the Police Bluray. What I was going to do was:
- Reset Log,
- Play BD
- Change Angle
- Look at the log to see what (if anything) libbluray did.
If you like you could do the above and post your log.
Thanks
Nathan
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I may have such a disc. I believe it's used in language choice for discs where the movie itself has varying segments for languages, ie. Big cinematic intros that are translated. I think Despicable Me and Minions did that, on international discs anyway. Might try to dig such a disc up.
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Hi When I try to play a BR with the menu the program crash
It said Adding Required components and nothing happend.
Could you help me ?
Thanks
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Sounds like MC can't download the required components (LAV, madVR). You might check your firewall, as that's something that can cause the download to be blocked.
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Sounds like MC can't download the required components (LAV, madVR). You might check your firewall, as that's something that can cause the download to be blocked.
Thanks a lot it's working fine now
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Hendrik,
any thoughts on the latest atmos audio dropouts ?
cheers
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Its one disc only. Haven't you finished watching it by now? :)
There is likely nothing I can do.
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The Predator was also reported. will have to check that out. have not watched it yet 😉
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After more testing, it seems that the drop outs are around the seamless branching sections. Does not matter what you use to demux it, if it is based on ffmpeg you get the issue.
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How good is the BD Menus! ;D I got a UHD BD of Westworld Season 2 and these discs are a pain to work out what MPLS = What Eps as they don't seem to follow any order that makes senses. Not to worry, as fired each disc up with Menu Support, and using the BD Pop Up Menu selected each eps and noted down the Duration in the MC Playback Header. When I then created the BD Particles it was easy to tag each one with the correct EPS # then do a Lookup of the TV Info. Job done and it the correct order! Love it!
I have been a MakeMKV guy for a long time and finding the correct MPLS can be a pain. Can you please explain how this works for someone who never opens discs in MC? I know I would need external software like Anydvd to open the disc. If this is easy enough it may be worth the price.
Thanks
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Actually, since you have MakeMKV you could rip the disc to a folder and play/import/tag the folder structure once it has finished. Both AnyDVD / DeUHD work as a driver so they both present the disc to the OS as unencrypted (and hence you can play/import/tag directly from the MC GUI from the BD in the Drive).
Anyway, regardless of the tool - here is the easiest way (there are others) - see pic:
1) Import (or Rip) the disc into MC
2) Right Click --> Stacks --> Advanced --> Auto Create BD/DVD Title Particles : This will create an entry in MC for every single MPLS on the disc
3) Play the Item you originally imported and then use the Pop Up Menu to access the Episodes and select one (in this case I selected EPS 4). Note in the MC Playbar at the top it is now saying it is 1:10:40 long. If you look at the created Particles, you can see the "Westworld Season2 Disc1 - Title1" is the correct MPLS (and it is MPLS #00112).
4) Tag all the Particles with the correct Season / Episode and do a "Get Movie and TV Info" and MC will grab all the metadata and name them correctly. Delete the Particles you are not using (eg all the little 24 sec ones).
Enjoy.
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The other option is to use the Log File (good if there are playlists with exactly the same time duration)
- Play the BD in MC and select your EPS and while it is playing
- Search from the Bottom of the Log file up for (PLAYLIST, and you will find an entry like
1115063: 5704: Playback: CBDNavDemux::BDLog: libbluray/bdj/bdj.c:1034: bdj_process_event(PLAYLIST,112)
- Rinse and Repeat for the others.
the 112 is the MPLS #
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@Hendrik if you are opening the code for this at any point it would be great to include in the Menu/OSD what MPLS is being used (like with Title Playback but not for selecting playback, just for Info)
Thanks
Nathan
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Hendrik , that would be super awesome. Worth the price of the upgrade to 25 for me since I barely understand the help I'm being given. It will probably make more sense once I play with it a little.
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@Hendrik if you are opening the code for this at any point it would be great to include in the Menu/OSD what MPLS is being used (like with Title Playback but not for selecting playback, just for Info)
Thanks
Nathan
+1
this would be helpful and convenient!
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Retested using a Folder Rip.
- The 3:16 Drop out Only happens when Bitstreaming and happens in both Title and Menu mode.
- There is No 3:16 Drop out in either Title or Menu mode when Decoding.
I tried to reproduce this, but I don't have an Atmos AVR, and on my ordinary TrueHD AVR there is no drop outs here.
I can also not spot any obvious problems in the data flow around those times. I would imagine a fundamental problem *should* also show up with normal TrueHD bitstreaming, so who knows whats wrong there.
TrueHD bitstreaming, especially with Atmos in the mix, is still a black box. That I managed to resolve the issues with high-bitrate UHD TrueHD tracks earlier was already pushing the limits of the informaiton that are available about the process.
Without at least access to hardware showing the issue, or a full specification of how its supposed to work, there is probably nothing I can do.
Maybe in a year or two, if I should decide to invest in a new AVR, and proper HDMI 2.1 models become available.
Edit:
I did some simplifications and cleanup in LAV Audio, and I think there might have been a small corner case that might have been fixed by this. I'm not 100% sure since the dataflow is rather complex, and I could never reproduce the problem in the first place.
Anyhow, if anyone with an Atmos receiver feels like testing, grab the next LAV nightly that should show up at around 3:00 AM CET at https://files.1f0.de/lavf/nightly/ (you're looking for 0.73.1-1)
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Thanks for looking but unfortunately, no cigar. Still get it. It really is not a "Hard Drop Out" like we used to have, in that the AVR is still reporting that it is getting an audio stream but instead it is a short silence. This happens at the point of the seamless branching where at 3:16 it goes from the interrogation scene to the rotating Incredibles logo (which can be in a few different lang). It's almost like there is a timestamp issue at the seamless branching point.... but, what gets me, is that if you do a seek after passing 3:16 to before 3:16 there is no issue as you pass 3:16 again.
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Yup, that's exactly right. And I don't understand it cause the symptoms are different with non-LAV solutions like the SHIELD. It gradually gets out of sync. So there definitely seems to be some kind of seamless branching issue but no idea how we can fix it as every single ripping tool shows the same issue.
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FYI - I went back and tested using "LAVFilters-0.71.0-35" from May 2018 (I think this was before the hard drop out fix but post much of the UHD support work). Good news is that this version works fine on Incredibles 2 (but of course will have the hard drop outs with other titles) but it may help track down the issue.
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Did you ever test the Windows 10 "Films & TV" app to play back this title? Possibly need to try it with a MKV rip, since it cannot play Blu-ray discs.
It supports bitstreaming TrueHD from what I can tell, as long as the HDMI out is the default output in Windows.
If it works, maybe I can figure out how it works.
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I'm away for a few days with work - but can test when I'm back.
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I'll be on vacation next week, but knowing if that works or not would be good. I already know which component that app uses to wrap the audio stream, so if its positive it would just be a matter of capturing its output and seeing what happens differently.
As a bonus, maybe also try one of those videos that had the hard dropout with earlier LAV versions, just to make sure we're not trading one for the other again.
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I'll give it a try this afternoon and see what happens. I've got an MKV of Incredibles 2 I can try it on.
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As usual, your instincts are correct. Playback works with the movies and tv app. No dropouts and it's bitstreaming ATMOS. Will this maybe help us? This is with the problematic Incredibles 2 UHD rip.
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Sounds good. I actually found a few differences in the logic, and actually also found a few bugs that resulted in a wrong output in some cases, primarily at branching points.
Hopefully it'll help. It'll be in the next LAV nightly, same time as before. ~3h from this post.
I haven't had time to do a long-term test for sync yet or such things, but since the generated output stream is now identical with the MS component (well, at least the first 10 minutes, which is already almost 2GB of data, sure is a lot of data going through HDMI just for audio), hopefully that won't be a problem.
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I can probably run a whole movie (I think Incredibles 2 would be a great test) tomorrow night to test it and see if any other issues crop up. This sounds promising though!
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Sounds very good (esp the bit on the differences at the branching point)! I'll be able to test both I2 (current issue) and POTC (old issue to see if there is any regression) ... later this week.
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I'll be testing later tonight. I already have installed.
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Fantastic! So far no issues at all. I will have to watch it start to finish tomorrow but I've played it through scenes that were definitely problematic before with nary an issue at all! Thanks for the fix!!!!
EDIT: I let it play past the scene that usually gives me sync issues, even with my SHIELD, and surprise.....it's flawless. This is great!!!
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;D great news! I'm not sure how many more time I could watch the first 3:16sec of I2 without losing my mind.
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Great! Sometimes having something to compare to is all you need to find your bugs. Luckily Microsoft had a Media Foundation Transform that I could just use and dump its output into a file, and that it occured to me to actually check for it. :)
Also because the base logic LAV was using was fine, there were only two bugs in it, being traced back to faulty assumptions made about what could possibly happen. ;)
Now back to other Blu-ray topics! :)
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thanks Hendrik!
will this appear with an update to MC24 or should we just update lav?
cheers
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I doubt we'll be updating LAV in MC24 at this point. It'll probably be a while until the LAV release as well.
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As promised I've been watching the whole Incredibles 2. I want to warn people on this because I had re-ripped it with MakeMKV (vs CloneBD/AnyDVD originally) and my results are different. I'm getting SMALL drops here and there but nothing like before. I did not see the same results when testing my CloneBD rip (and the sizes are different). I consider the ATMOS playback issue fixed and that we have some ripping issues still but others may want to test their rips and see what they get for results. Sync stayed throughout the movie even after the small drops. Personally, I'm good with the nightly fix. Thanks again!
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Tested the following historic probs with hard/soft drops and they all played fine with the latest LAV Nightly (all folder rips).
- "Incredibles 2" - Soft Drop : eg drops at 3:16 at the seamless branching point where it goes to the Incredibles 2 spinning logo
- “Pirates of the Caribbean - Dead Men Tell No Tales” - Hard Drop : eg drops out a couple of times between 17:45 and 19:00 minutes into the movie
- “Guardians of the Galaxy Vol II” - Hard Drop : eg drops out at 1:09:24 where TaserFace gets killed is one example.
- “Maze Runner: The Death Cure” - Hard Drop : eg Right at the beginning of the Main Title when the 20th Century clip is running
Thanks Hendrik - looks good to me.
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Now back to other Blu-ray topics! :)
Scratching my head to come up with a list of stuff still to do (you have done a great job!).
- BD Menu support is 99% perfect, including UHD. About the only thing that fails is the odd "stalls after initial language selection on first play" and I see you have that raised already with Jean-Baptiste.
- HDR Menus: I saw some comments on this but I've not noticed any issue personally.
- On the MC UI front, seeing the MPLS being used would be handy
- The default logic on some BD's don't default to the "best" audio track (oddly), I don't know how MC/LAV would go in overriding this like with file based playback (minor issue really).
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fwiw, i can also confirm the nightly build for LAV resolved all audio issues for me as well.
thanks!
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About the only thing that fails is the odd "stalls after initial language selection on first play"
This should be resolved in MC25 soon.
Trying to figure out HDR menus now, so they get tonemapped and potentially converted to SDR if needed. Unfortunately I don't have a HDR screen yet, so some combinations are harder to test.
Right now HDR menus are always in HDR, which is probably "OK" if you use HDR pass-through to a HDR TV. But if you use a SDR TV, or want to benefit from madVR tonemapping, it won't be correct.
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Hendrik,
Do you think it will be possible to have menu playback stop point remembered when resuming later?
-Frank
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Only if the disc itself implements such a feature to resume playback. The Java state etc is way too complex to save otherwise.
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I wanted to report, that the calibration disk "Ted's lightspace CMS calibration disk", still does not read the menu. It is a very important disc, and without access to the menu it is impossible to use. :'(
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I wanted to report, that the calibration disk "Ted's lightspace CMS calibration disk", still does not read the menu. It is a very important disc, and without access to the menu it is impossible to use. :'(
I only have access to the free version, but I can already tell you that at least this disc has authoring errors, that result in it being unplayable.
If you're running on a PC anyway, pattern sources are not hard to find, and I personally wouldn't use some Blu-ray variant, but instead a dedicated pattern generator application.
Those Blu-ray variants only have a value if you're actually trying to calibrate a hardware Blu-ray player which cannot play anything else.
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I only have access to the free version, but I can already tell you that at least this disc has authoring errors, that result in it being unplayable.
If you're running on a PC anyway, pattern sources are not hard to find, and I personally wouldn't use some Blu-ray variant, but instead a dedicated pattern generator application.
Those Blu-ray variants only have a value if you're actually trying to calibrate a hardware Blu-ray player which cannot play anything else.
I use this disk because it works automatically with the Lightspace CMS calibration software, together with click they create a 3dlut. Unfortunately so far it only works with Powerdvd and Totalmedia Theatre players
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Hi,
in my first attempt to use the Blu-ray Menu in MC24 I have run into a few problems with the Star Trek Discovery Season1 Discs, EU edition.
The problems are: when the index is started a CBS logo gets played but after that a black screen remains, using Disc Menu or Popup Menu doesnt provoke any action.
Secondly, MC24 considers all the episodes on a disc as 1 file, so I have no way of manually indicating the separate episodes as a work-around, unless I create particles.
Strangely, to me anyway, all the extra's remain separate files in MC24 and the episodes (like the extra's) are ripped as separate MTS2 files.
The problems are the same for all discs, which I ripped with MakeMKV (backup function, decoded files)
I managed to get the Blu-ray menu working with other discs, I'm using MC24.0.75, convolution, Bluray menu is on.
I have tried rebooting, ROHQ -> RO, removing plugin folders and I have used the automatic stacking option.
Switching to title playback works.
Is there more that I could try? Overseeing something or doing something wrong?
Thnx in advance
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Unfortunately we can't test every disc, so it'll happen that some discs don't play. But if you report them here, I'll try to have a look if I have access to it, or can acquire it.
This more often happens with newer discs, for obvious reasons, since they didn't have much time yet to be tested. :-)
In any case, I'll try to see whats up with that particular disc.
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Thank you Hendrik, I understand. It is somewhat reassuring that I didn't overlook the obvious :-)
Any particular thoughts on the unintended merging of episodes? I can live with it, but like to understand what's happening and didn't find any other reports about it.
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Its certainly possible that they use one big m2ts file for all episodes. You should however be able to pick the proper MPLS playlist files and play those to get seperate episodes, I would hope, instead of trying to play the m2ts directly.
As an alternative, you can always rip to MKV with MakeMKV, which should seperate into distinct episodes as well.
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I also have problems with the menu of some discs.
But isn't it possible to implement BD Menu support, like DVDFab Player (or Pwerdvd), which reads everything?
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I can only repeat what I said above. We cannot test every disc, which means that some may not work, but in our experience the vast majority of discs does actually work just fine.
If you encounter one that doesn't work at all, you can report it here, and we will see if there is something we can do about that. Thats the only way its going to get better. But we cannot give any guarantees, since our development time is limited, and there is more discs out there then we could ever test.
But as far as I know, we're the only player that offers advanced features like our full Audio DSP and advanced video rendering through madVR in conjunction with any Blu-ray Menus at all. The downside of that is that not every disc may work, although we strive to do the best we can. But if 100% of discs working is more important then anything else, thats unfortunately not something we will ever be able to provide.
Comparing to other applications that work entirely differently is not going to help.
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The discs that don't work, are all important disks used to calibrate or fine-tune the video system:
the Ted Lighspace Calibration Disc, Spears & Mounsil, and even the AVSHD disc doesn't work perfectly.
Now if they work perfectly with DVDFab player and Powerdvd, why isn't it possible here?
That said, no one questions the other qualities of JR
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I've tested over 1,000 BD and UHD BD discs (commercial releases) and with the latest release of MC25 I've got 100% success rate.. That said, I don't have the discs you mention. As Hendrik posted, please list the discs and what the issues you see so support can be improved.
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As mentioned the last time, the majority of those calibration discs have MP4 alternatives which don't need to rely on a menu. That method would be way easier.
Therefor, its not a priority for me to try to figure out why they don't work, since the alternative is working just fine.
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I've tested over 1,000 BD and UHD BD discs (commercial releases) and with the latest release of MC25 I've got 100% success rate.. That said, I don't have the discs you mention. As Hendrik posted, please list the discs and what the issues you see so support can be improved.
Have you tested either the US or UK release of Top Gun Blu Ray or Seasons 3 or 4 of the US or UK Homeland Blu Ray series? I could not get any of those discs to work with menus.
Thanks!
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Had a look at my version of BD Top Gun (ripped in 2012) and it does play just fine but it has no menu at all (either Main or Pop Up) so I'm guessing it is a very different disc. It is also only 18.8GB so is a pretty poor quality encode (and looks it!). I don't have Homeland at the moment to check.
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Had a look at my version of BD Top Gun (ripped in 2012) and it does play just fine but it has no menu at all (either Main or Pop Up) so I'm guessing it is a very different disc. It is also only 18.8GB so is a pretty poor quality encode (and looks it!). I don't have Homeland at the moment to check.
Hi,
Thanks much for the response. Both my U.S. and UK versions work no problem with Powerdvd but I have had no joy getting the Java menus to work in JRiver.
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Its certainly possible that they use one big m2ts file for all episodes. You should however be able to pick the proper MPLS playlist files and play those to get seperate episodes, I would hope, instead of trying to play the m2ts directly.
As an alternative, you can always rip to MKV with MakeMKV, which should seperate into distinct episodes as well.
you remind me that i need to test Fringe season 1. the first couple seasons used one m2ts file for all episodes on each disc and makemkv at the time could not separate them out. i had to use mkvtoolsnix to separate them out by timecode. strange. want to see how MC handles the full BD menu as fox authored the first couple seasons in the US that way.
the latest version of MC 25.0.17 also has no issues with playback of extras on my xfiles discs now. used to be the audio was normal but video was sped up. rest of menu playback was fine. all is well now.
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I'm having issues playing some UHD Bluray titles with the menus (using D3D11 copyback, as native doesn't work with menus). These are ripped as BD Folders directly from my original discs, usually using AnyDVDHD.
It seems that many (if not all) Paramount titles are stuck on the first screen, that ask for a language selection without allowing any way of selecting it (arrows not active, bring up the MC menu instead).
Examples: A Quiet Place UK, Allied UK
Another common issue, a black screen either right away or after a first a/v logo. This seems to be an issue with 20th Century Fox titles.
Examples: Alien Covenant UK, The Revenant US
Are these well-known issues or is it just me? Anything that can be done to resolve these?
If I enable main title instead of menus, the main title plays fine for all these discs.
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OK, I've started debugging on these, and my first step was to re-rip the disks using DVDFab instead of AnyDVDHD.
I started with The Revenant, which played immediately, without any issues.
So I compared the rips and found that 4 files .properties files were missing in the AnyDVDHD full disc rip, all in the BDMV/JAR folder:
In 88888, the files customGPRReset.properties and startup.properties
In 99999, the files disc.properties and title.properties.
As soon as I copied the missing files in the AnyDVDHD rip, the menus were working fine.
I assume re-ripping the other titles with DVDFab (or with a fixed version of AnyDVDHD) will correct the other titles with this same issue (A Quiet Place for example).
So I guess this one is more for Redfox than for JRiver, I'll post a link to this post in their forum.
I'll investigate the other issue with Allied/Alien Covenant and will let you know.
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I never use any of such tools for actual ripping. I let them decrypt the disc, and then use Windows Explorer to copy it to a place of my choosing. "Ripping" is just copying after decryption anyway.
Or are they even missing on the disc when AnyDVDHD decrypts it on the fly?
In any case, properties files missing could easily explain any kind of playback failure with BD-J.
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I never use any of such tools for actual ripping. I let them decrypt the disc, and then use Windows Explorer to copy it to a place of my choosing. "Ripping" is just copying after decryption anyway.
Or are they even missing on the disc when AnyDVDHD decrypts it on the fly?
Sure, but if you do this you don't get the useful info that AnyDVDHD provides, for example the list of valid playlists in disc.inf when ripping a title with playlist obfuscation. That's why I prefer to use these. Usually AnyDVDHD is very reliable, I'm sure they'll fix this soon it it's from them.
I had the same result with Allied, missing .properties with AnyDVDHD, issue resolved when copying the missing files (five this time, from three folders also in the JAR folder) from a fresh DVDFab rip.
I'll let Redfox know after re-ripping with the latest AnyDVDHD in case this has already been solved with a more recent build, but as I've had to re-rip all my collection recently I doubt it. I'll also test if the .properties files are missing when decrypting.
Thanks!
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Just to confirm that the .properties files are present when AnyDVDHD decrypts. I just repaired another rip by opening the original disc with AnyDVDHD, copying the missing files to the existing rip, and the menus work fine now. I have about 50 rips to repair, but it only takes a few minutes that way, as re-ripping is unnecessary.
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Sure, but if you do this you don't get the useful info that AnyDVDHD provides, for example the list of valid playlists in disc.inf when ripping a title with playlist obfuscation. That's why I prefer to use these. Usually AnyDVDHD is very reliable, I'm sure they'll fix this soon it it's from them.
Sure you do. The file is created on decryption, if you put a disc in the driver and let AnyDVDHD process it, then the disc.inf file will look like its on the optical disc - but AnyDVDHD is basically putting it there virtually.
So if I just take Explorer and copy the content of that disc to my HDD, then it should include all that information. Plus properties files. :)
But shrug, I'm old fashioned. I never saw a need for such a ripping function if copying with Explorer is all I need.
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You are correct, I just saw this :)
Well, I guess I like the ability to choose simply between ripping to folders or ripping to ISOs (which is needed for 3D blurays).
I think the only case for which ripping through the tools can be useful is error correction. I often have read errors from discs (even new) and the error correction process of AnyDVDHD is more robust that explorer, as it gives you choices (retry, ignore, etc).
But I agree it's not necessary if all goes well. :)
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OK, just to close this. I've tried to re-rip one of the offending titles with AnyDVDHD, and all the .properties files are present. So either this bug was fixed very recently by Redfox, or I have no idea why these files were missing in the first place.
Anyway, hopefully this will be useful to others if I'm not the only one experiencing these weird issues.
Sorry for wasting your time as clearly whatever the reason these issues were not JRiver related.
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FYI ripping 3DBD to folder structure works fine (if you don't mind the increase in folder size vs ISO as the L R eyes are no longer interleaved).
Also I just use MC's rip function when decrypting with RedFox or DeUHD as it is a one step rip, import, tag. Note. Older versions of MC prior to BD Menues did not copy all the root folders.
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Still waiting for MKV menu support. ;D LMAO!!!
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FYI ripping 3DBD to folder structure works fine (if you don't mind the increase in folder size vs ISO as the L R eyes are no longer interleaved).
Also I just use MC's rip function when decrypting with RedFox or DeUHD as it is a one step rip, import, tag. Note. Older versions of MC prior to BD Menues did not copy all the root folders.
Thanks but the last time I tried BD Folders used twice as much space as BD ISO with 3D Blurays, so not an option for me.
I like to rip separately, then I use MyMovies to collect and save metadata, then JRiver is set to auto-import the new titles with metadata from monitored folders with automatic tag.
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Still waiting for MKV menu support. ;D LMAO!!!
Some misguided people keep trying to push something like that into MKV, but rest assured, even if that happens, I will never support it.
Technically it even has menu support based on terrible DVD technology, but its best to fully ignore that.
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Some misguided people keep trying to push something like that into MKV, but rest assured, even if that happens, I will never support it.
Technically it even has menu support based on terrible DVD technology, but its best to fully ignore that.
Oh good lord. It was 100% a joke!!! I don't even know what good a menu is for MKV.
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Oh well, I've been embedding my UHD by chapter in PDF containers and adding a hyperlink to the menu on the first page. Still waiting for MC support.
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Hi Hendrik - Very happy with the BD/UHD support, it all just works, though I notice there has been lots of activity on the libbluray git (https://code.videolan.org/videolan/libbluray/activity) over the last few months but don't know if any of this makes much of a difference for MC?
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Hello all,
I've just signed up here to post this. I never knew about JRiver Media Center, despite having done extensive searches for software media players that supports BD-J. I have searched for these players in order to list them as supported players for my BD-J projects.
Most of the activity you see on github about libbluray is my doing.
I'm a sparetime hobby BD-J developer, and therefor use software players a lot for testing. Primarily VLC but also Kodi.
I have ported an old J2ME game of mine to BD-J (https://www.blu-play.com/games) and also created "8-bit Memoirs (https://www.8bitMemoirs.com)"; a diskmag-like Blu-ray eBook. Currently working on my 2nd BD-J game (https://www.psxhax.com/threads/new-blu-play-homebrew-game-in-development-the-ufo-game.6889/).
(BD-J homebrew games are fun to make, because they run on PS3 + PS4 + XB1 from the same disc).
I send a lot of feedback to the devs of VLC, Kodi and libbluray, and I'll be happy to do the same for JRiver Media Center, provided I can have a Linux version for free to test on.
My BD-J Xlets are nice for testing because they're free, legal, small in size and unencrypted. My BD-J Xlets are also tested on a lot of different hardware players to make sure they run on the real deal - so you can count on them staying within specs.
Here are some general points I have also posted to VLC and Kodi devs:
- According to Blu-ray specs, all Blu-ray players must have a POPUP MENU button. This seems to be overlooked by most software media players. The POPUP MENU button is not the same as the TOP MENU button (which is called MENU on a DVD remote control). A Blu-ray remote control has both a TOP MENU button and a POPUP MENU button.
The POPUP MENU button usually used to bring back the menu while the movie is playing. KeyCode for POPUP MENU is 461. - A BD-J Xlet can request to use certain keys on the keyboard. MC should check this, and give up any native shortcuts there might be for this key, to the Xlet if it requets to use this key.
- Some media players slow down FPS tremendously if no video is playing. But for a Blu-ray, an Xlet may still be running - either make a check if an Xlet is running or else don't slow down FPS at all.
Other stuff
- libbluray 1.2.0 will have mouse support and better key controls (separate KEY_PRESSED and KEY_RELEASED events) - so it would be a good idea to add this in MC too.
- "Funky Fresh (http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=59098)" is a cool BD-J scene demo that can also be used for testing.
- Same goes for "Metal Skin Slidetro (http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=60784)".
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Thanks for the information. Our Blu-ray support is based on libbluray, so eventually such improvements would also reach us, although we won't be updating our copy on a daily basis.
To some of the more concrete points:
- We support both menu keys, and you can access the functionality through various means, either by mapping the second menu key to a remote control key, or a keyboard key, or use it through the context menu. Typical MCE remotes don't have such a key, so a default mapping is hard to provide for us. Instructions for mapping the key are in the first post of this very thread.
- We try to do our best to detect interactive Xlets and give them keyboard focus as appropriate.
- If an interactive xlet is drawing on top of a static background, we don't use a fixed "FPS" as such but just redraw whenever the xlet updates the graphics plane. Not sure how well this would work with a game, but I imagine it should be OK.
On a final note, unfortunately our Blu-ray support is currently limited to Media Center for Windows. The feature has not been ported to Linux or Mac yet, because we use two different video engines for Windows and Linux/Mac.
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Our Blu-ray support is currently limited to Media Center for Windows. The feature has not been ported to Linux or Mac yet, because we use two different video engines for Windows and Linux/Mac.
I see. Slightly off-topic then, but: I don't suppose you know if Media Center runs on Linux with Wine?
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Perhaps it is more correct to turn my problem https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,120578.msg845797.html#msg845797
here: is it correct that manually setting in video settings my receiver as audio renderer the film stops in menu mode activated?
In essence it fails to hook up audio in bitstream mode.
If it is correct I put my soul in peace.
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Custom configuration is not really supported, especially if you change out the audio renderer you take away a lot of power from Media Center.
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Any updates on audio and subtitle selection/switching directly during playback? :)