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More => Old Versions => JRiver Media Center 25 for Windows => Topic started by: JimH on April 19, 2018, 08:43:33 am
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We've added support for Radio Paradise (http://www.radioparadise.com), a listener supported (https://www.radioparadise.com/rp2s-content.php?name=Support&file=info) streaming radio station from California. You can read about the requests for this here (https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,114494.0.html).
Many thanks to Bill Goldsmith of RP, who provided enough technical information that we could get it going.
RP is an eclectic mix of new and old, with a tilt toward its California roots. Highly recommended.
Instructions
You'll find Radio Paradise under the new Streaming (https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,115231.0.html) section in JRiver. Click on Streaming, then on the RP button.
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as a long time RP listener, I'd say it has a broad eclectic mix, not just California
>> HIGHLY RECOMMENDED <<
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Hi, sorry but there is no Radio Paradise under streaming on my screen. Can you advise?
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Found it ::)
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Good Day All,
First of all, thank you, thank you, thank you for adding RP (and thanks to RP as well)! Great addition and the FLAC version is so much better than the normal MP3 (which I believe they are still using for Bluesound, mine now being eliminated).
As to the question and I am not sure if I should have posted this in the "remote" section but I cannot get to the streaming section on either Gizmo or JRemote (on Android). Is this being worked on for the future? If not, please put it on the request list. I don't have a monitor in my main zone and rely exclusively on my tablet for control and I'm sure there are others as well.
Thanks again!
Andy
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Takes a while to connect and buffer through cos' my internet connection is so 20th century but it gets there eventually.
I'll give this a bit of a listen and see how I go. Thanks for the option devs.
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Will there be a Linux version? Currently it shows streaming as not supported.
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Moved from v23 to 24.0.19 - not seeing Radio Paradise.
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Moved from v23 to 24.0.19 - not seeing Radio Paradise.
Just click it on the Streaming page that's at the root. There's no page to show for it.
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Oops... ok got it, thanks.
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I have the problem. So, twice clicking on RP and get message THERE IS NOTHING TO PLAY.
Just see pic below
Yesterday it was OK...
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I have the problem. So, twice clicking on RP and get message THERE IS NOTHING TO PLAY.
Just see pic below
Yesterday it was OK...
Fixed, thanks RD James
https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,115231.msg799864.html#msg799864
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JRiver Media Center 24.0.25 --
Changed: Radio Paradise starts with the first track and then loads subsequent tracks in a background thread instead of the main thread.
Doesn't work good for Radio Paradise. Stop after 5 ,15 ,20 Minutes. Can not have a continuous correct listening . Really bad because this new function of jriver is really great !
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I've had the good fortune to live in a couple of places that were as eclectic and music loving as Radio Paradise. Today they went from a Dire Straits cut to a Paul Simon, then Benny Goodman's Bolero, a ukulele "somewhere over the rainbow" and then Camper Van Beethoven. And it f-ing flowed.
Since discovering RP slightly over a year ago, they've become my all day background. This simplifies listening to them. Much appreciated.
I think both of you have similar values. All about the joy of music.
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You're welcome. Nice of you to say. Thanks.
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Is RP the only station in HD? Is there a list of the stations that are in HD? Thanks.
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It's the only lossless service at this time.
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Any idea how to control Radio Paradise from JRemote?
There must be a lot of users with headless PC's, only controlled via JRemote. JRemote would not have to show all the details like track list, next track etc. I would be happy with a simple start/pause/stop. Is this possible? Anybody working on it? Please, please ... make Radio Paradise in FLAC quality available to JRemote users.
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+1 :D
As a headless user :) this feature is badly needed.
Best regards Erik
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Hello,
when I click on Radio paradise on the new streaming page I cannot hear anything !
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Radio Paradise cuts out between tracks. Is there a way to fix this? Thanks.
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We know about the problem, but we're not sure if it's theirs or ours. It will be fixed soon if it's ours.
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Can you remove this from Media Centre PLEASE !
It's costing me a fortune in newly discovered vinyl >:( :-*
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Any idea how to control Radio Paradise from JRemote?
There must be a lot of users with headless PC's, only controlled via JRemote. JRemote would not have to show all the details like track list, next track etc. I would be happy with a simple start/pause/stop. Is this possible? Anybody working on it? Please, please ... make Radio Paradise in FLAC quality available to JRemote users.
+1
Ross
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Radio Paradise in 24.0.30 always bug ,stop after 2 tracks ,micro cut when track change
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As a long-term kitchen radio listener to Radio Paradise in the UK I have to say that I'm impressed with the progress that JRiver have made in integrating this station into MC24. The latest release is improved (and sounds great via the main HiFi), and like others, I still experience one or two gaps in the music just before the track changes - is this a gapless problem as on their MP3 stream there is/was always a similar issue with playing something like Pink Floyd's DSOTM?
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Besides incredible musical programming, Radio Paradise also has an excellent hi-def photo slideshow to accompany the music selection.
It would be wonderful if you could incorporate that slideshow into your MC24 Radio Paradise flac player.
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With recent updates MC's handling of Radio Paradise is much improved, but one thing that seems to trip it up is when the station plays one of their 7 second Listener-supported sections, this at best causes a long gap in playback or a stream hang.
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Radio Paradise support for JRiver is a fantastic addition and is a big sound improvement over the already very good 320k.
One problem I have noticed since upgrading from 24.0.25 to 30 is that now when I click the RP logo in streaming instead of loading the whole playlist it now only loads one song at a time I have several PCs running JRiver and the results are the same.
Please help me resolve this frustrating new 'feature'.
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I think if you leave it longer then it does populate the list. They modified it for licensing reasons I seem to recall.
Ross
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Correct.
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JimH, please tell me - normal operation of the Radio Paradise depends on the bit depth of the OS - 32 or 64?... Thanks...
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No difference.
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No difference.
Thank you!... I thought so... I just can not run this radio for the third day... I decided to insure myself... My computer gives out a message - "There is nothing to play"... ?
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:-[ Radio Paradise in 24.0.30 no way to streaming music to my PS Audio Bridge II. I see the Bridge Player and the music flows on Pc but non music on my streamer. With 24.0.15 no problem, all is ok. Could you help me?
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Correct.
This is a problem I have been experiencing since upgrading to 24.0.30 -yes the 24.0.25 did take a couple of minutes to populate but the 24.0.30 version will only load 1 song no matter how long I leave it. its a definite change from the previous version.
A real fix would be better than a real guess.
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Radio Paradise support for JRiver is a fantastic addition and is a big sound improvement over the already very good 320k.
One problem I have noticed since upgrading from 24.0.25 to 30 is that now when I click the RP logo in streaming instead of loading the whole playlist it now only loads one song at a time I have several PCs running JRiver and the results are the same.
Please help me resolve this frustrating new 'feature'.
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@nickt1, I think they had to change it due to licensing reasons. Chances are there's probably nothing to fix and it has to be that way. But if it's not loading at all, might wanna check the firewall.
JimH, please tell me - normal operation of the Radio Paradise depends on the bit depth of the OS - 32 or 64?... Thanks...
32-bit/64-bit OSes are different than the bit-depth of audio. When 32-bit/64-bit (or x86, x86_64, i386, AMD64, etc.) is used to describe an OS it's actually describing the CPU instruction set architecture. Radio Paradise should work in MC regardless if a 32-bit/64-bit OS is used.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64
And here's bit-depth of audio:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio_bit_depth
Completely different things. :)
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Completely different things. :)
Thank you... I'm good understand it... I'm in the past an engineer-constructor of radio electronic equipment...;D...
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How is it possible to select Radio Paradise from an IR remote in theater view?
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How is it possible to select Radio Paradise from an IR remote in theater view?
It is not possible.
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Big fan of RP
These streams provide great playback in MC24 with really good fidelity at 320k
http://stream-tx3.radioparadise.com/aac-320
http://stream-dc1.radioparadise.com/aac-320
URL pasted as item in MC playlist provides seamless playback pleasure with predictable results
Streaming RP in FLAC is different experience...(pilot error?)
Fidelity and track data display experience is fantastic - but most of track #1 downloads prior to playback (delayed start)?
Track #1 then plays well (very well, indeed) - until final ~10 secs and playback stops.
Next, new track #2 identified (in Playing Now) - and then it downloads in full (~25sec) before playback resumes (remaining 10sec of first track?? and all but ~10sec track #2).
I have also noticed there is a "Radio Paradise" playlist (starts EMPTY under Playlist Section) that "auto fills" with tracks (FLAC) from RP when RP FLAC streaming service is played???
Almost like using Play Doctor?.
I am able to select and play any track in this "auto list", but must wait for download of full track selected.
I have 8Mb's DSL from my local provider and run Win10 64 and MC 24.0.30 (64).
I am curious if any other users are experiencing both the lag in playback and autofill "RP playlist" phenomena when using RP FLAC streaming?
Most grateful for any assistance
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I have 8Mb's DSL from my local provider
This is a low speed for the flaс stream, which has its own rate of about 1Mb/s
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Thanks for the response!
Inferior download speed is a major handicap.
The RP 320k stream plays well with good quality and 0 issues.
Download is constant ~40KBs and a no-brainer
FLAC "streaming" architecture is different somehow.
Typical FLAC file 860k (~30MB) can be downloaded in ~30sec @1MBs (or ~8Mbs)
My RP stream does just that! ...at the end of each track with playback paused ~25-30sec?
Average track length ~3min with plenty of time to buffer next track during normal playback ?
Thanks for the help.
Perhaps, a change in buffering or other setting modification ?
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Perhaps, a change in buffering or other setting modification ?
Try the new version 24.0.34, there are changes to the buffering. Maybe it will help you.
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For those who would like to play Radio Paradise via JRemote. It does seem possible.
Look under Playlists in JRemote, to find Radio Paradise.
If it can't be found then it can be added.
In Media Centre select Streaming and then Radio Paradise. When RP is playing, right-click the green arrow and select send to/ playlist. Create a new playlist. JRemote should now make it available under Playlists.
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Try the new version 24.0.34, there are changes to the buffering. Maybe it will help you.
24.0.34 (64-bit) shows new buffering pattern for sure. Initial Playback commences sooner. Pulsing "batch" download pattern with much higher bit rate ~250kB with variation ranging from ~150kB-660kB.
Playback still stops at current track end - for big download @1MB (continuous)...
Playback resumes ~25sec later - after the big continuous dump for "next" track?
Thanks for feedback
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Big progress for radio paradise in 24.0.34 64 bit
It is now impossible to listen
stop after each track
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Radio Paradise is working fine here.
Make sure you don't have the program set to stop after each track in Player > Repeat > Stop After Each Item.
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Thanks Matt.
My system was...
"Player/Repeat/Repeat Off"
Willing to try any other settings you may think of.
Playing any selected FLAC song in Radio Paradise playlist - required full song download.
Just like gap for my normal subsequent track playback gap. Although "Buffering..." is now displayed in title bar until full track is downloaded. Then Playback resumes automatically
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Radio Paradise is working fine here.
Make sure you don't have the program set to stop after each track in Player > Repeat > Stop After Each Item.
no no no no sorry
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I propose to render the launch button of The Radio Paradise in the toolbar panel... How to do it - described here:
To quickly and easily start Radio Paradise, add a button to the menu bar of JRiver.
1. Run the Windows Registry Editor
2. Go to the HKEY_CURRENT_USER \ Software \ JRiver \ Media Center 24 \ MCBars \ Top section.
3. Add the string parameters with the names "6" and "7". If you already have buttons in the top menu bar, then these names can be used, then use the following free ones.
4. In the parameter "6" we insert the line:
(1:1)(1:1)(0:)(2:-1)(0:)(2:-1)(1:0)
5. In the parameter "7" we insert the line:
(1:1)(1:2)(19:Play Radio Paradise)(5:20036)(0:)(2:62)(1:0)
"6" is a separator, "7" is the actual button. The icon "Favorites" is used. You can do with the logo of Radio Paradise, but it's harder, if anyone is interested, I'll write as.
It's very convenient, I like it... :-*
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Apparently I'm the only one who can not listen to radio paradise
I tried everything wasapi asio direct sound, buffer memory was 2 seconds and then 20
If I have the chance to hear 2 consecutive songs I say yeah !!!
I have an internet debit of 20 M
and ben no it does not work
desolating it was the main interest of MC24
I was going to forget I tried 3 different pc
So I listen to radio paradise flac thanks to their application on tel android plug on my mojo and it works impeccable!
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Antivirus?
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Antivirus?
Windows Defender only with default settings used here...
Up-to-date as of today.
Temporary disabling has no effect.
Other Windows setting?
All troubleshooters report proper function of network devices and internet access
Thanks for the help
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Antivirus?
I forgot I of course remove all antivirus, and firewall, try via lan or wifi
in addition, your new service of broadcasting radio flac j river works very well
proof that the problem comes from you
sorry
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It's working for most people.
What device are you playing to? Connection?
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pc asus portable i core 7 - 8 G ram disque ssd
pc acer 32 Bit 2 g ram
tour hp ssd core 7
DAC CHORD MOJO, but with DAC or not, the problem is the same.
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Post above edited. If you continue in this style, your forum privileges will be reduced or removed.
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no no no no sorry
Corsimusic, if those two images were meant to show us you had the correct settings, you are looking in the wrong place. As Matt suggested, have you checked under the main menu at the top of MC, "Player > Repeat > Stop After Each Item"?
See image. I got caught out by this setting a while back after playing some shuffled tracks, and accidentally turning on "Stop After Each Item". Check it.
(https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=115480.0;attach=28218;image)
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My system set to:
Player>Repeat>Repeat Off
very end of current track <10sec/beginning of new track - playback "pauses".
System resumes playback - when next full track is downloaded [timing of playback resumption - function of next track size]
30-~60 second delay - if next track >4min ~60 sec (buffering)
I use digital output (Optical) [Direct Sound] to external DAC
Every other function of MC24 functions just fine...in fact - FLAWLESS
My PC config?, Radio paradise servers?
My android RP AP streams FLAC with grace, and killer fidelity
Most grateful for assistance - always :-)
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UncleMilt, run the speedtest with a server in Austin, TX, where the RP servers are located. Make sure that it is sufficient for the flac stream, at least 10 Mbps.
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Corsimusic, if those two images were meant to show us you had the correct settings, you are looking in the wrong place. As Matt suggested, have you checked under the main menu at the top of MC, "Player > Repeat > Stop After Each Item"?
See image. I got caught out by this setting a while back after playing some shuffled tracks, and accidentally turning on "Stop After Each Item". Check it.
(https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=115480.0;attach=28218;image)
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UncleMilt, run the speedtest with a server in Austin, TX, where the RP servers are located. Make sure that it is sufficient for the flac stream, at least 10 Mbps.
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Corsimusic, I posted an image showing the Repeat function settings, and you responded with an image of your Shuffle settings?
Have you checked your Repeat settings?
Corsimusic, j'ai posté une image montrant les paramètres de la fonction Repeat, et vous avez répondu avec une image de vos paramètres Shuffle?
Avez-vous vérifié vos paramètres de répétition?
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Corsimusic, I posted an image showing the Repeat function settings, and you responded with an image of your Shuffle settings?
Have you checked your Repeat settings?
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corsimusic, a good incoming speed, although very low outgoing, but it should suffice (I have an outgoing stream for the RP about 24 KB/s)
In early June, I had a similar situation, when 2 days RP did not work normally. It was also a long buffering. But the mobile application on the Android tablet, too, could not normally play flac stream.
Then everything was restored by itself. I did not understand why it was, maybe the provider was to blame.
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UncleMilt, run the speedtest with a server in Austin, TX, where the RP servers are located. Make sure that it is sufficient for the flac stream, at least 10 Mbps.
Thanks Alex M.
I tested speed from AT&T Austin, TX.
65ms ping/8 Mbps down/1.5Mbps up...
This is max from my local service provider, as well (out in the sticks - with no other service plan available) :-[
First track plays well - always.
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Are you using 24.0.34?
https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,116334.0.html
Is memory playback turned off?
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Are you using 24.0.34?
https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,116334.0.html
Is memory playback turned off?
Thanks JimH.
MC 24.0.34 (64-bit)
Memory playback (not zone specific): No memory playback
Player> Repeat > Repeat Off
When playback stops ~10sec of current track remains unplayed...until playback resumes for next track? then ~10sec of previous track finishes and new track playback transitions well?
First track always starts near instantaneously, plays /streams beautifully. Transition to fetch second track causes playback to pause. Full download of next track required before playback resumes.
It "appears" that fresh start - first FLAC track streams (well), but subsequent tracks are treated not as streams, but discrete files that download in full prior to playback?
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Try changing the setting for track transitions under Audio. Use a gapped setting.
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Try changing the setting for track transitions under Audio. Use a gapped setting.
Many thanks, JimH
Audio>Track Change: toggled "off" for gapless (sequential or manual), including - Do not play silence (leading and trailing)
Unfortunately, no change in playback behavior.
Please let me know what else I may try?
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Try changing the setting for track transitions under Audio. Use a gapped setting.
I found a solution!
RP FLAC now streams and transitions "Beautifully" with only 8Mbps down.
Credit goes to Alex M!!!! (...a good man!)
Tools> Options> Audio
Track Change (mods)
Switch tracks: Gapless
Do not play silence (leading and trailing) [unchecked]
Use gapless for sequential album tracks [checked]
Use gapless for manual track changes [checked]
Thanks JimH for the "track transitions" tip above. Also lead to the solution.
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Changing to the above settings also works for me - many thanks to all involved.
Edit: 30 minute listening update - occasionally getting a slight pause before the end of a track - 2 out of 7 tracks. Internet is wired at 200 down and 12 up, so it shouldn't be the problem.
Will continue to listen and report back.
Update 2: pause experienced on 6 out of 16 tracks - seems like the shorter ones are more susceptible to the slight pause than 5+ minute tracks. What is the recommendation on memory playback please?
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I finally find the problem with radio paradise
I have 3 PC one or is stoker my biblioteque musical
the second in my living room plug on my chord mojo and my hi-fi
and a laptop to listen to music anywhere
as my music is stoker on the first pc i sync the library of all other pc on it
it works very well for movies music but not for radio paradise
to be able to listen to radio paradise I have to put myself on the local biblioteque and the radio paradise works almost perfectly
I almost say because there are sometimes small cut (rare) and especially one day or the other it often stops after 2 to 3 hours
In short I am rather happy even if it is a bit of a burden to have to load the local library to listen to the radio
all this is going to improve thanks to the exellents developers of j river
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Another lossless choice for streaming now.
Radio JRiver (https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,116509.0.html)
Requires 24.0.38 or later.
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Buffering 2000 ms completely eliminates these nasty stuttering at the end of the tracks.
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Request to the developers.
Extend the available buffering values to 10 seconds, please. Now the big values have to be installed in the Windows registry, which is inconvenient.
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Request to the developers.
Extend the available buffering values to 10 seconds, please. Now the big values have to be installed in the Windows registry, which is inconvenient.
What buffering value are you setting? The one for DirectSound playback in Options > Audio > Device settings..., or some other one?
Thanks!
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What buffering value are you setting? The one for DirectSound playback in Options > Audio > Device settings..., or some other one?
I use two different paths. Usually ASIO, sometimes DirectSound for headphones connected to the monitor.
For Audio> ASIO> Device settings maximum buffering 500 ms, for Audio> DirectSound> Device settings maximum buffering 1 sec.
Sometimes you need to set a higher value, as in the case of Radio Paradise.
Now it can be done only in the Windows registry, for example:
...Zones\0\ASIO
"Buffering MS"=dword:000007d0
...Zones\0\Direct Sound
"Buffering MS"=dword:000007d0
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Coming next build we'll have this:
Changed: The maximum buffering for Direct Sound was increased from one second to three seconds.
Changed: Added buffering values for ASIO up to 3 seconds (previously stopped at 500ms).
Thanks for the suggestions :)
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In my system, the following bug is observed.
When Radio Paradise turn on, if the first track is a short "Listener-supported", then usually MC freezes or crashes.
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In my system, the following bug is observed.
When Radio Paradise turn on, if the first track is a short "Listener-supported", then usually MC freezes or crashes.
I have similar issue, Playback stops, but MC does not crash or freeze...
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Just tested this....works great. Playing Ry Cooder atm.
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How do you start? I can see the icons, jazz, classic, rock, etc. Clicking on any of these makes the colour wheel rotate for about 2 - 5 mins, then "Something went wrong with playback". Do I need to pay something somewhere?
Its a Mac i7 and a 50mbps internet connection
Thanks
PS: I use TIDAL quite a lot with success
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What version of MC?
The latest is available at the top of the Mac board.
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What version of MC?
The latest is available at the top of the Mac board.
It is version 24, the latest I think?
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24.0.42 is here:
https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/board,57.0.html
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is it possible to stream it to external device via dlna?
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In the Radio Paradise Android Phone App, there is a PSD button that when I press it, I can choose among three playlist, mellow, rockin and groovy. I like to listen to the rockin playlist. Is there a way to do this when streaming Radio Paradise via JRiver?
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is it possible to stream it to external device via dlna?
ok, somehow I was able to start it in Player at first, then send to avr
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I seem to have an issue streaming RP via the stream page ever since 20.45 has come out (I didn't have any issues previous to that other than the stopping of the stream around song 40 that I reported previously, the streamm worked fine with 20.41)
Now about 50% of the time I try launching RP I get the error message 'There is a problem right now. Playback cannot be started'
I've tried changing setting and even tried using several other different dacs (using asio , waspi and even direct sound) and it still happens
I've checked that it isn't a connection issue I have more than enough bandwith 200+Mbs nor is it a latency issue
Also I can connect to RP's flac stream via the web app posted on RP's forum
https://marco79cgn.github.io/radio-paradise/
with absolutely no issues
This issue is a little annoying as streaming was one of the reasons I upgraded to JR 24 :(
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I have the same problem
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I too upgraded to MC24 because of Radio Paradise, so I remain disappointed that so far its implementation remains flawed.
I've tried the link provided by Axilian (thanks) and can also report that it works well (dare I say 'flawlessly').
I have this nagging feeling that JRiver's own radio station has taken development priority.
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We will look at this Monday or Tuesday and report back.
You're wrong about Radio JRiver. We're committed to Radio Paradise as well.
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Thanks JimH, I'm pleased to hear that. It was only a 'nagging feeling'.
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I don't see Radio Paradise and Radio JRiver under Streaming. How can I get it to work?
(Living in good old Europe, Germany using and loving JRiver Media Center since it's on the market.)
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First, make sure you're using the latest build, 24.0.46 which is located here: https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,117047.0.html
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I don't see Radio Paradise and Radio JRiver under Streaming. How can I get it to work?
(Living in good old Europe, Germany using and loving JRiver Media Center since it's on the market.)
They don't appear in that list BUT if you click on the header "Streaming" and look to the right you will find them in the collection of icons there
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Thanks, this helped and I see the icons. But why are they not in the list?
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Well not sure if anything was changed but upgraded to 24.46 and my issue reported above seems to have gone (so far anyway).
One other thing I've just been onto RP's main site to have a look at their new web player and noticed they now have 3 different flac stream (or the rock and groovy stream is maybe a doctored main mix) . Any chance JRiver will give one the option of celecting those streams in future?
Edit: make that 4 streams, there's a groovy , mellow and rock mix along side the main stream
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in 24.46 radio paradise don't work for me
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in 24.46 radio paradise don't work for me
If you wait a few minutes (~10-15 minutes) and then try again, does it eventually work?
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If you wait a few minutes (~10-15 minutes) and then try again, does it eventually work?
no I try again and again it's same
With the web player of radio paradise in flac its work
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Unfortunately my statement previous was a false dawn
- tried to launch RP this evening and get exactly the same error again - even rebooting the entire PC doesn't help - it's getting really irritiating now as RP's own web flac player is now online and works flawlessly
Edit - definitely seems to be a random error - I was listening to RP on the webplayer and then tried to launch streaming through MC while the webplayer was still playing - kicked in the Stream through MC with no issues (took over the music as I run WSAPI on MC ) . Funnily though it launched the stream at a completely different point to where the RP web player was
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in 24.46 radio paradise don't work for me
I'm seeing the same error right now as well.
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I am also seeing the same error - but it plays fine from a web browser.
Edit: It is now working again - which is a bit weird.
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Yep, working for me again now. Must be a RP server issue.
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Couldn't be a sync issue possibly ?
- I got up this morning and found exactly the same issue I had yesterday RP stream gave the typical error message but yet launched fine both on the RP page and on the web app I previous linked (which is a 3rd party project). Both launched on exactly the same song. However when I reproduced what I did last night later on - launching the RP stream in JRiver when RP was already streaming from their web page the JRiver RP launched but at a completely different song
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I think the different song is normal. I don't know why you're seeing the other problem.
This is new for Radio Paradise as well, and it's possible that there are occasional issues with their server.
We will take a look to see if we can duplicate the problem.
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This is not an accidental problem. I already wrote about it twice.
Workaround:
1. Create a separate library for the radio
2. After connecting to the RP (good luck to you), save at least one track in the library.
3. The next time you start MC, start playing the saved track. The server will remember you for a while, about a day. At this time, the RP usually starts.
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For me nothing change "playback can no be started " again and again
Perfect on web player radio paradise
so it's not a server problem,i think it's a jriver problem
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You can't compare the web player with MC. They work differently.
As I said above, we will look at this.
It would help to have more details. Playing on the client? Or server? What OS? Playing to what device? Etc. Details will help us reproduce the problem.
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You can't compare the web player with MC. They work differently.
As I said above, we will look at this.
It would help to have more details. Playing on the client? Or server? What OS? Playing to what device? Etc. Details will help us reproduce the problem.
I try on the server (windows 10 64 BITS ) on the client (windows 10 64BITS) AND ON notebook in
windows 1O 32 bits
on the notebook it worked once but since I have the same message "reading can not be started"
I try to downgrade to jriver 24 45 It's the same yet last week it works in 24 45. It's a mystery
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Edit tonight radio paradise is working on my 3 PCs, either you work on it or it is a random breakdown more annoying if that's it!
Still problems on the PC client that I have to connect locally for radio paradise otherwise stope at the end of a piece
To impress by the musical knowledge of the radio programmers paradise which comes to pass Francis cabrel a French singer (my country) yet little known to the international good job
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It would help to have more details. Playing on the client? Or server? What OS? Playing to what device? Etc. Details will help us reproduce the problem.
The problem has recurred for me this morning.
I was trying to play on my Windows 10 Pro (all Australian updates) Workstation running MC24.0.46 64bit using a local database, no Media Server running, playing locally from the motherboard sound card to PC connected speakers. I tried to start RP three times shortly after starting MC and go the message each time.
I just tried it on my Windows 10 Pro (all Australian updates) HTPC running MC24.0.42 64bit as a server, with Media Server running, playing to my Receiver via TOSLink from the motherboard sound card and it worked immediately.
I stopped RP, restarted it, stopped it, then upgraded to MC24.0.46 and tried again. It still worked fine first time. It is still playing background music for me now.
So back to my Workstation, I tried RP again and it worked fine immediately. That is without closing MC since earlier.
Closed MC. Made sure no MC processes were running in Task Manager. Restarted MC, cleared Playing Now as it still had the last RP track listed. Checked the RP Playlist was empty. Restarted RP and it worked.
Cleared Playing Now again. Played a local audio file. Stopped playback. Closed MC and checked no processes running. Restarted MC and immediately tried RP. Worked fine.
The only pattern I see is that RP didn't work first time after it hadn't been played for a while, but only on my Workstation... which made me suspicious that maybe the first attempt through my router's firewall was being blocked. Checked logs, but there was nothing in there to say it blocked anything today. So not that. I checked the local PC firewall as well, and nothing there.
So not much light on the topic there. If I was a betting man, I would say that the RP server is not accepting a connection from a new IP Address for a little while, initially, for the connection type MC is using. That could mean that they are at the limit of the number of connections allowed for that connection type, and that they possibly dynamically increase that limit when it gets hit, but that increase takes a little while.
Maybe RP even keep a list of IP Addresses that connect using MC, and once connected it is allowed, but if the limit is hit it can take a while to increase the limit. That would explain why my Workstation failed, but shortly after my HTPC worked, and then the Workstation worked, as both the HTPC and Workstation would expose the same external IP Address to RP. That would be consistent with something else that I have noticed, which is once a connection to RP is made, even when you stop playback, that connection is kept for a while. I did this on the HTPC in the test above, and even though RP was stopped during the introduction, it still downloaded the playlist and changed to the first track to be played, with a little bit of audio played at track change.
Thinking further, I'm sure that RP track and count the number of MC connections to their server. I sure would in their situation, to understand the level of demand and if it remains within any agreement made. Perhaps their monitoring process has introduced an issue that causes the first connection from a new IP Address to be delayed and therefore fails to start playback? Then once an IP Address is "counted" they wouldn't want to count it again for a period of time, if users start and stop playback over a certain period, so it would be on a list for a short time, and then would drop off the list. Once it is off the list, the problem would recur.
Next time I see the problem on my Workstation I will simply wait a few minutes and try again, wait and try again, etc. to see if a connection is eventually allowed and playback starts.
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So not much light on the topic there. If I was a betting man, I would say that the RP server is not accepting a connection from a new IP Address for a little while, initially, for the connection type MC is using. That could mean that they are at the limit of the number of connections allowed for that connection type, and that they possibly dynamically increase that limit when it gets hit, but that increase takes a little while.
Or that the server is sometimes slow to respond.
Thanks for all the details.
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Or that the server is sometimes slow to respond.
It could be, yes. But I can actually tell pretty easily when it isn't going to work, as the response and appearance of the message is quite fast. It takes longer when RP is going to work.
It looks more like RP is quickly rejecting the connection, rather than taking some time to establish it. Hence my observations above.
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The error occurs only when trying to play the track "Listener-supported". I have written about this many times and do not understand why this is ignored.
2x Xeon Workstation, Windows 7 Pro x64, SLC SSD system drive.
demo:
https://yadi.sk/i/xBCwCmiC3aN4cb
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RoderickGI suggested that the RP server tracks IP addresses. However, everything is not so simple. Three operating systems are installed on my workstation, two of them are clones. First I did all the manipulations (as in the video from the previous post) in one OS. Then rebooted to another OS, with a different login, from another disk, but with the same IP address. But contrary to my expectations, the attempt to run RP again caused an error. I had to repeat all the same.
Conclusion: not only IP address is tracked.
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The error occurs only when trying to play the track "Listener-supported". I have written about this many times and do not understand why this is ignored.
That could be it.
RP Played first time this morning, no issue. That would have been after at least a 12 hour break from it. But it went straight to music and didn't try to play the Intro.
So something, either MC or RP, is tracking when the "Listener-supported" track was last played, and deciding when to play it again. Then when it does, the problem occurs.
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Hi everyone.
I've been trying to reproduce an issue playing the listener supported clips, but so far it's just been working fine for me.
Make sure you have the latest build since the playback range was a little wrong for those clips originally.
If you have any other clues you could share it would be appreciated.
Thanks!
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Hi Matt.
When the connection with the RP is already installed, the listener supported clips play perfectly. The error occurs only if such a clip should play first after connecting to the RP. Try not to turn on the RP from a specific IP address for at least 24 hours. Then this error will arise with a high degree of probability. Unfortunately, I do not know the algorithm by which this clip is set first. Maybe it depends on the region and does not affect all users.
I assume that this is due to initial caching.
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I wonder if their server sees an inactive connection and drops it after some period of time. Maybe that's what RoderickGI said.
If so, we could ping it from time to time, but better would be to close and reopen. Talk with Bob, Matt.
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Hi Matt.
When the connection with the RP is already installed, the listener supported clips play perfectly. The error occurs only if such a clip should play first after connecting to the RP. Try not to turn on the RP from a specific IP address for at least 24 hours. Then this error will arise with a high degree of probability. Unfortunately, I do not know the algorithm by which this clip is set first. Maybe it depends on the region and does not affect all users.
I assume that this is due to initial caching.
Does it happen if, instead of resuming a current playlist, you click on Radio Paradise again. That should restart it and it should just work.
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I just found a little problem. Next build will fix it.
The history:
Fixed: Radio Paradise could report a problem starting playback (and not play).
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Been trying out the FLAC streams using JRiver using the streaming option which sounds great but is prone to buffer and is a finite playlist.
I also checked out RPs great new web player but could not get it to work with JRiver-any ideas?
I then tried using the link address to the new web player in the URL address tab and it sounds great-not sure if it is flac but it is a noticeable improvement on the normal 320 ACC stream.
https://newradioparadise.com/player
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I finally got it.
https://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/WDM_Driver
I can now run the RP web player and all the features it offers and get the sound quality benefits and controls that JRiver excels at.
I love using JRiver, however as it adds features and functionality it is becoming more complex to navigate for the "average" user.
I guess the challenge for JR is to somehow simplify this user inerface and make it more accesible where possible.
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Hello!...
Why do not I play the playlists of Radio Paradise saved in the .mpl format?...But the playlists of the Radio JRiver and the playlists of the users (their 3 people total: 01 - thecrow (#1133);02 - swiv3d (#2321);03 - hoyt (#2340)..., only 20 playlists!!! - :'() work perfectly...Maybe - it's all about the storage server, or should the Radio Paradise playlists be saved in a different format?... ?
Thanks in advance...
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discovered radio paradise back in 2001 in the "radio" section of JR Media Jukebox 7 or 8. been a faithful listener ever since. great station. haven't found anyone out there doing what Bill G does.
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I finally got it.
https://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/WDM_Driver
I can now run the RP web player and all the features it offers and get the sound quality benefits and controls that JRiver excels at.
I love using JRiver, however as it adds features and functionality it is becoming more complex to navigate for the "average" user.
I guess the challenge for JR is to somehow simplify this user inerface and make it more accesible where possible.
This is exactly what I do. Playback starts almost instantly and is rock solid. Can also select between the 3 different mixes - although usually stick to the Main and Mellow mixes.
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Now that RadioParadise has their new web player up and running (quite well, actually) including FLAC stream and options for alternate RP streams (not available in MC thus far),
what is the benefit/advantage of using MC to play RP?
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"Now that RadioParadise has their new web player up and running (quite well, actually) including FLAC stream and options for alternate RP streams (not available in MC thus far),
what is the benefit/advantage of using MC to play RP?''
It sounds better- for all JRs problems its the best sounding music player I have heard.
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Agree with the above; I've tried the RP Flac stream via Chrome, and via MC24 using the WDM driver, and neither comes close to the sound quality of streaming RP from within MC24. No idea why.
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Now that RadioParadise has their new web player up and running (quite well, actually) including FLAC stream and options for alternate RP streams (not available in MC thus far),
what is the benefit/advantage of using MC to play RP?
Radio Paradise is a fine place to be exposed to great music!
Radio Paradise in MC is not a "normal stream" (much better, many ways)
Track are individual items - and may be used in Playing Now to query one's main library by using "Show link check boxes" in Options>Library & Folders>Manage Library Fields [Name, Artist, Album Artist, Album]
I have often heard great tracks on RP that I did not know I have and then subsequently flagged!
I have even used a great RP track "as seed" numerous times with Play Doctor to mine my Main Library and do a little AI exploration of existing tunes...
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Coming in the next build, there are a couple Radio Paradise changes:
Changed: Radio Paradise will download more files when it reaches the end of the playlist.
Changed: Radio Paradise playback will message after playing 50 tracks about continuing (so you can't start playback and walk away permanently).
Should solve the problems reported about the playlist running out.
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any plans to include the ability to use RP's 'alternate streams' or their hi-def slideshow?
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..... and include it in theater view?
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I finally got it.
https://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/WDM_Driver
I can now run the RP web player and all the features it offers and get the sound quality benefits and controls that JRiver excels at.
I love using JRiver, however as it adds features and functionality it is becoming more complex to navigate for the "average" user.
I guess the challenge for JR is to somehow simplify this user inerface and make it more accesible where possible.
***UPDATE***
Increased pre buffering to 20 seconds which seems to have eliminated the buffering I was experiencing with the RP player stream(https://new.radioparadise.com/player). Also checked load full file undecoded into memory as I think this sounds better.
Another program I find useful is Fidelizer (http://www.fidelizer-audio.com/download-fidelizer/) which configures windows for computer audio reproduction and noticeably improves the sound. Hope this helps.
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Wow... have I mentioned how much I <3 JRiver recently?
I used to be a total RP junkie, back before I found JRiver and started putting serious effort into organizing and growing my media collection. Now, instead of spending all my time listening to Radio Paradise while I make notes on bands I want to check out someday, I spend all my time going through old notes and adding that music to my collection. I had finally started getting to the point where I could see the end of the list...
...And now you put RP in MC, so I can continue to add to the list while I import and organize stuff!
Meaning now I'm never going to see the end of the list. *sigh*
Great. Thanks a lot. Have I mentioned how much I hate JRiver recently :P
(Seriously, thanks for adding this is, JimH... It's a feature I never would have thought to request, but it's awesome. And thanks to the guy(s) at Radio Paradise too, if they're reading. You've supplied the soundtrack for some of the best and the worst times in my life. <3)
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Quick question... I skimmed this thread and didn't see an answer, though I admit that I may have missed it.
Is there some way to add Radio Paradise to the available nodes in the treeview under Streaming? Same question for JRiver Radio. I don't have much interest in many of the nodes that appear in the treeview, so it would be nice to have those included, or at least have a URL with which it can be added as a node. I know, I know, I'm trying to save a couple of clicks and a time spent scrolling that would best be measured in milliseconds. What can I say? I'm lazy ;)
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"...Is there some way to add Radio Paradise to the available nodes in the treeview under Streaming?..."
Follow my advice - https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,115480.msg804407.html#msg804407... ;D
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Follow my advice - https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,115480.msg804407.html#msg804407... ;D
Oh neato! I like it! :D Sorry I missed it, I just kinda glanced past it because I was thinking that it was probably a solution to a much more complicated problem than mine ;)
It's not exactly what I was thinking... I was just looking to add it to the treeview under Streaming with the rest of the services. This would certainly provide easy access though. A couple quick questions before I go poking around in my registry though...
I have a media server/renderer that's connected to my TV/stereo system, and then a client on my laptop which I mostly use for editing metadata and such. Will I need to edit the registry on both the server and the client? And either way, if I click the button on the client, will it play on the client or the server?
My only concern with editing the registry is that I may somehow muck things up if I decide to make changes to the toolbar in some less manual and invasive way in the future. And, well, I suppose I'm concerned that it may screw things up or get overwritten during a future update... but I don't imagine you can provide any guarantees against either of those scenarios, so I'm willing to caveat my own emptor on those questions.
As long as I'm gonna go poke around in there, I'm not afraid of a little more complication... If you can make the RP logo show up for the button, I would definitely be willing to award Bonus Points for that :)
I would also award bonus points if you could export a .reg file so that I didn't have to do any work at all ;)
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As long as I'm gonna go poke around in there, I'm not afraid of a little more complication... If you can make the RP logo show up for the button, I would definitely be willing to award Bonus Points for that :)
I would also award bonus points if you could export a .reg file so that I didn't have to do any work at all ;)
Don't be afraid!...With your computer and your JRiver nothing bad will happen...This option will work for all future updates to the player(JRiver MC)...I will try to do the same for RadioJRiver when it becomes relevant - that is, when all users! will be able to upload their playlists to the server JRiver on Amazon, not just selected beta-testers... ;D
Especially for You: ;)
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Especially for You: ;)
Thx, you're awesome :)
+10 Bonus Points, but -5 for trying to switch all my menu items to Russian. Fortunately I never execute a .reg without checking the contents first ;)
Note to anyone else who might want to use Solo's solution: He has a sick and subtle sense of humor. I appreciate that quality, but you might want to try my edited version instead :D
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"...Note to anyone else who might want to use Solo's solution: He has a sick and subtle sense of humor..."
Yes, it is my fault...Looked over, didn't notice in a hurry... :-*
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Next build we'll have a Play Radio Paradise toolbar button available for everyone.
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I must admit I like the initiative!
A general purpose way to add MCC commands to the toolbar would be very useful.
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Next build we'll have a Play Radio Paradise toolbar button available for everyone.
And this, good sir, is one of my favorite things about JRiver. I'm the supervisor for a team of 12 developers and they're not nearly as responsive to feedback as you are. Thank you :)
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Next build we'll have a Play Radio Paradise toolbar button available for everyone.
Matt...Thank you very much for the good news and congratulations on your marriage...I hope your honeymoon was good for you... ;)
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We've added the other Radio Paradise channels and that will be in an upcoming build as well.
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We've added the other Radio Paradise channels and that will be in an upcoming build as well.
Thank you very much for this news!...I've been waiting for the division of RadioParadise streams by genre preferences... :D
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This weeks adds/changes on RP are streaming just fine for me!
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Hi, just upgraded to 24.74 and I'm having the same problem others were having with regards to the RP song streaming then cutting out ~5-10 seconds before end, silence for 3-10 seconds then plays again for a few seconds, then the next song starts. This happens with every song, while the next song loads. I've read through the 4 pages here and see others have had success changing some parameters. My parameters are the same as those that worked for others, but no joy. I'm using DLNA to a LUMIN and also WASAPI direct to DAC (usb) WIN10.
Memory playback turned off
Gapless
Do not play silence - unchecked
Use gapless for sequential album tracks - checked
Use gapless for manual track changes - checked
Any other suggestions are greatly appreciated.
Many thanks.
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Hi, just upgraded to 24.72 and I'm having the same problem others were having with regards to the RP song streaming then cutting out ~5-10 seconds before end, silence for 3-10 seconds then plays again for a few seconds, then the next song starts. This happens with every song, while the next song loads. I've read through the 4 pages here and see others have had success changes some parameters. My parameters are the same as those that worked for others, but no joy. I'm using DLNA to a LUMIN.
Memory playback turned off
Gapless
Do not play silence - unchecked
Use gapless for sequential album tracks - checked
Use gapless for manual track changes - checked
Any other suggestions are greatly appreciated.
Many thanks.
What are your DLNA server settings? Can your Lumin play flac natively?
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Hi Bob, thanks for the reply.
Yes LUMIN plays FLAC. In fact JRiver streams the RP FLAC with no problem over DLNA and sounds great! The problem described above (and I believe user UncleMilt had the same issue) occurs using DLNA or WASAPI direct (USB) to my DAC. My download and upload speeds are 32mb and 11mb so no problem there...
DLNA - Audiophile 24 bit
Audio:
Specified output
Mode - PCM 24 bit
No DSP
DLNA Server, Renderer, Controller all checked.
Thanks,
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Hi Bob, thanks for the reply.
Yes LUMIN plays FLAC. In fact JRiver streams the RP FLAC with no problem over DLNA and sounds great! The problem described above (and I believe user UncleMilt had the same issue) occurs using DLNA or WASAPI direct (USB) to my DAC. My download and upload speeds are 32mb and 11mb so no problem there...
DLNA - Audiophile 24 bit
Audio:
Specified output
Mode - PCM 24 bit
No DSP
DLNA Server, Renderer, Controller all checked.
Thanks,
You get the break when playing directly to a USB connected DAC??
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You get the break when playing directly to a USB connected DAC??
I do, but in my case I am using MC 24.0.72 on macOS 10.13 using Core Audio to a USB-connected DAC.
The same behavior is seen with MC 24.0.74 on Windows 7 using WASAPI to an S/PDIF (coax) connected DAC.
From that this doesn't necessarily look platform-specific.
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Hi Bob, yes thats correct. The behavior occurs in both scenarios i.e. using a direct connect DAC (usb) or DLNA. When the next song loads the current playing song drops sound (counter continues to count) for a few seconds, then resumes to end and the next song begins. The songs stream no problem otherwise.
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What do you both have set in
tools->options->media network->advanced->Disable audio buffer to disk?
And what about the prebuffering under audio settings?
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What do you both have set in
tools->options->media network->advanced->Disable audio buffer to disk?
And what about the prebuffering under audio settings?
I don't see any 'Advanced' section under Tools -> Options -> Media Network on the macOS MC.
On the Windows 7 MC 'Disable audio Buffer to disk' is unchecked.
In both cases I have Tools -> Options -> Audio -> Prebuffering set to the default recommended '6 seconds'.
Tools -> Options -> Audio -> Memory playback is also left at 'No memory playback' on both instances.
Edit: I might also note that this problem does not always occur. For instance so far today I have not experienced this. Typically once it starts happening it will continue happening, however.
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I don't see any 'Advanced' section under Tools -> Options -> Media Network on the macOS MC.
On the Windows 7 MC 'Disable audio Buffer to disk' is unchecked.
In both cases I have Tools -> Options -> Audio -> Prebuffering set to the default recommended '6 seconds'.
Tools -> Options -> Audio -> Memory playback is also left at 'No memory playback' on both instances.
Edit: I might also note that this problem does not always occur. For instance so far today I have not experienced this. Typically once it starts happening it will continue happening, however.
I've only been able to get this to happen on windows with the disk buffer disabled.
On your MacOS MC, I assume that Media Network is disabled? The options won't show up unless it's enabled, they really should be moved out of that section...
You can enabled Media Network long enough to check those advanced options then turn it back off if you wish.
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On your MacOS MC, I assume that Media Network is disabled? The options won't show up unless it's enabled, they really should be moved out of that section...
Yes it was disabled. I temporarily enabled Media Network on the Mac and confirmed the 'Disable audio buffer' is unchecked.
With the macOS instance I don't normally get the end of the song resuming after a break. The end of the playing song gets cut off, then there is a silence, then the next song starts. On the windows instance I have heard both scenarios occur.
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Yes it was disabled. I temporarily enabled Media Network on the Mac and confirmed the 'Disable audio buffer' is unchecked.
With the macOS instance I don't normally get the end of the song resuming after a break. The end of the playing song gets cut off, then there is a silence, then the next song starts. On the windows instance I have heard both scenarios occur.
The point at which the sound cuts off is actually the end of the file. It's off in regards to the track data since there is a crossfade applied at RP.
What's your internet connection speed and latency like?
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The point at which the sound cuts off is actually the end of the file. It's off in regards to the track data since there is a crossfade applied at RP.
What's your internet connection speed and latency like?
You mean the song is cut off in the middle of lyrics (singing), very abruptly? The songs definitely are getting cut short and not audibly fading into the next song.
Are you suggesting that RP is cutting off the end of songs? This only happens (that I've noticed) when using MC and not the RP web app. With MC when it starts to happen, it continues to happen but then the next day it will be resolved. The next time it happens I'll restart MC and see if that makes a difference.
I have 1Gbps symmetric internet via Verizon FiOS and wired 1Gbps ethernet to both the windows and macOS hosts.
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What do you both have set in
tools->options->media network->advanced->Disable audio buffer to disk?
And what about the prebuffering under audio settings?
Hi Bob, I can confirm Disable audio buffer to disk is unchecked also. This is not like a fade into the next song. Its abrupt and ends a few seconds before the song should, then the song resumes a few seconds more, then next song begins. My internet speed is 32GB down and 11 up with 11 ms latency. Issue occurs either wired or wireless.
Thanks
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Hi Bob, I can confirm Disable audio buffer to disk is unchecked also. This is not like a fade into the next song. Its abrupt and ends a few seconds before the song should, then the song resumes a few seconds more, then next song begins. My internet speed is 32GB down and 11 up with 11 ms latency. Issue occurs either wired or wireless.
Thanks
I too, have had this issue.
Issue is not sensitive to internet download speeds
Under Tools>Options>Audio modify "Track Change" setting from "cross-fade" to "gapless"
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The cut-out is happening on their Roku channel as well.
Additionally, I lost the audio stream, but not the photo stream, for about 15 minutes at 2 PM US Central time.
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I too, have had this issue.
Issue is not sensitive to internet download speeds
Under Tools>Options>Audio modify "Track Change" setting from "cross-fade" to "gapless"
Hi, thanks. I had read your earlier messages and made sure my settings mimicked those that you mentioned solved this issue for you, however it didn't work for me. I agree its not sensitive strictly to internet download/upload or latency as my speeds are quite good. Its does seem to have something to do with JRiver having to make the connection again to RP servers, though why this would cause the sound to drop I can't say.
Listening last night for 3-4 hours I can say that it happened to every song. The amount of silence before the sound was heard again (I say it this way because I believe the song continues as the song counter continues during the silence) was seemingly random, lasting from 1 sec to 10, but mostly ~3 seconds. As soon as the next song would pop up into the list, immediately the sound would drop, then current song would be heard again, fade out as normal and the song just added would fade in and play no problem until nearing the end, then rinse and repeat :)
I wonder if its a re-connection issue because as the just added song begins to play my network activity spikes from 0 mbs to ~17-24 mbs for a few seconds while the full song downloads (its playing while it downloads). Network activity is 0 when I hear silence and also zero when the song has fully downloaded and playing. Its spikes up for only a few seconds, depending on how long the song is (how big the file is).
Does anyone know the ip address of the RP FLAC server(s)? It would be interesting to see if a constant ping would keep the connection up and the issue goes away. Just thinking out loud.
Not sure any of this is helpful. I hope it is :)
Thanks
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Does anyone know the ip address of the RP FLAC server(s)? It would be interesting to see if a constant ping would keep the connection up and the issue goes away. Just thinking out loud.
Don't do that. RP has no doubt a limited resource and can only handle so many connections. If you are constantly pinging it and keeping your connection alive, it is one less connection in the pool for other people to use. The idea is that you connect to RP, download what you need, disconnect and let the next listener get what they want. RP would have to start ignoring such attempts to be able to service all users, which may make things worse.
The problem could already be as simple as it takes longer than expected to get a new connection to RP to get the next track. That could be caused by any component in the path from you to RP, including your ISP. By all means, measure the connection time if you can, or ping or trace it for a while to see what the round trip is, but don't try to permanently hold a connection. Besides the above issues, it may get your IP Address blocked.
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Today I used another Windows 8 instance with MC 24.0.74 for a while and noticed some additional oddities:
First, I can confirm that the issues, when they occur, always happen just after the next song is added to the last. My settings here were the same as my Windows 7 instance (also S/PDIF -> coax -> DAC) except I had forgotten to switch track change from cross-fade (4s) to gapless.
Today the behaviors were not consistent song-to-song and were among:
- Current song does not get interrupted, ends, then next song begins (no fade)
- Current song does not get interrupted, next song begins, both songs play during transition (not fade) from one to other
- Current song does not get interrupted, next song begins at same time then stops, first song ends, then next song begins (again) with no fade
- Current song gets interrupted briefly, resumes, ends, then next song begins (no fade)
- Current song gets interrupted briefly, resumes and next song begins at same time, next song stops, first song ends, then next song begins (again) with no fade
Today the "interruption" was typically brief, at most one second, but in the past it has been as long as several seconds.
I wasn't able to pay too close attention but was able to note the variations above. I didn't actually time it but in the cases where the two songs were playing together the second song did only play for a few seconds, possibly the same length as the fade. Note that when the two songs were playing together there was no actual fade - both were full level and it was very obvious.
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Hi RoderickGI... agreed not a good idea to perform a constant ping. I should have been clearer when I said a constant ping. What I meant by constant was for a song or two to see if the issue corrects itself. Your points about being caused by any component in the path from RP to ISP are well made. A traceroute might be interesting... Thanks.
I noticed this evening that when the song resumes after silence it continues for exactly 10 seconds before the next song plays. Will need to monitor that a bit to see if it holds true.
Hi Shady... we share the same issue but for you it manifests itself in different ways. Mine is consistent from song to song. Weird. Its almost like there's a 'marker' in each song that indicates when the next song should be played/downloaded and the marker is out of wack.
Having no real knowledge of how this works, I"m just guessing and I'm sure thats not helpful so I'll stop :)
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The cut-out is happening on their Roku channel as well.
Additionally, I lost the audio stream, but not the photo stream, for about 15 minutes at 2 PM US Central time.
I was thinking that part of the issue might be the latency in downloading the next track and this seems to confirm it. It's possible they are short of bandwidth for the number of users.
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Let me re-iterate that the gap (if it occurs) occurs at the REAL file boundary which is NOT the same as the track boundary EXCEPT for the first song in a block (look at the Playback Range field in MC).
That's why it appears to gap before the end of a track.
When I look at the log, I see a gap in the time it takes for RP to start streaming the next track after the file request.
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According to MC the same track is still playing (IE: it hasn't moved to the next song) when this occurs. That would suggest that the same track is actually split between two "files" by RP, which would seem to fit.
IE: There is still time left when the song stops, and when it resumes it is still playing that track. Perhaps that is what is confusing. It seems odd that this only happens with MC and does not happen with the web app (at least not for me)
It sounds like you are saying this interruption near the end of the song is expected and normal. I may just have to go back to using the web app then :(
I only chimed in as someone else that was seeing the same issue reported in this thread. I may have missed it but I didn't see anywhere that it was indicated that the issue is known and is normal/expected.
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According to MC the same track is still playing (IE: it hasn't moved to the next song) when this occurs. That would suggest that the same track is actually split between two "files" by RP, which would seem to fit.
IE: There is still time left when the song stops, and when it resumes it is still playing that track. Perhaps that is what is confusing. It seems odd that this only happens with MC and does not happen with the web app (at least not for me)
It sounds like you are saying this interruption near the end of the song is expected and normal. I may just have to go back to using the web app then :(
I only chimed in as someone else that was seeing the same issue reported in this thread. I may have missed it but I didn't see anywhere that it was indicated that the issue is known and is normal/expected.
It's really NOT supposed to have an audible gap. If you run the log in MC you'll see that it does a request to pull the next "track" before the current one ends. The request is made at 2x MC's audio buffer ahead setting.
Assuming you have left that at the default of 6 seconds that should give you 12 seconds of time before the next "track" is requested and the current "track" ends for RP to get that track to you.
If your track transitions in MC are set to gapless you shouldn't hear a gap.
The web app accesses the "tracks" somewhat differently in a way that doesn't fit well into how MC views the playlist.
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That's what I would have thought is there should not be a gap, as others have indicated.
I have tried posting details on exactly the behavior I am seeing to perhaps diagnose and identify why this is happening.
You keep snapping back that this is known. I understand what you are saying about where the break occurs. . my behavior that I noted from yesterday may seem to conflict with that or perhaps not but that is why I thought it worth noting. It is also why I specifically noted that I hadn't switched to gapless and had track changes left to cross-fade. . .and still experienced an interruption at times.
Like I said - I'm willing to help but it seems like that isn't wanted so I'm moving on.
Edit: FWIW today with my macOS instance I pretty much had a short gap (less than 1 second) on every song. At some times as I noted earlier the song abruptly ended and the next song started without the previous song ending, but it was not common today (only about a half dozen songs over about four hours that I noticed)
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When I play RP it is pretty seamless.
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Under audio you must have
memory playback: No memory playback ;
Do not play silence leading or trailing -deselected
this gives me flawless playback of RP.
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Under audio you must have medory playback: No memory playback ; Do not play silince leading or trailing -deseected this gives me flawless playback of RP.
Already there and confirmed that (see earlier posts). Memory playback is disabled by deafault and has been confirmed to be the case on all three of my instances.
I don't dispute that many (most) have no issues at all. If this was something consistent and easily repeatable (IE: everyone saw this) it would be something that could be more likely be corrected or otherwise mitigated.
I also don't dispute where this is happening. . . I determined that was likely the case pretty much when I first experienced this. The challenge now is to identify why.
I see slightly different behavior between Windows 7 instances and macOS instances. Possibly noteworthy is that in all cases 64-bit builds are in use.
I've spent enough time on this but the responses don't seem to be appreciative so I'm not spending more time to try to identify details that might help with resolution.
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The settings you recommend had already been confirmed. .
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I think you are misinterpreting the tone of my messages at any rate. I’m not trying to discredit what you are seeing. Just trying to figure out how it can happen since with the settings you are using I cannot reproduce this on an internet connection way slower than yours and with machines slower than yours as well
I can only make the gap happen on raspberry Pi Linux running MC, orders of magnitude slower than the average PC and even then the gaps don’t always happen using the latest MC 24.0.74.
You aren’t using a vpn are you?
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No VPN here.
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FWIW - I don't know if this is necessarily network related. I'd have been open to suggestions to help confirm or rule that out but at this point I've lost interest. I don't know how MC handles cross-fade with track changes when streaming RP, but the behaviors I noted above are puzzling to me at least, based on what has been posted in this thread. The gapless track-changes on macOS also have been puzzling, where the current song ends abruptly rather than being resumed after the break.
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Under audio you must have
memory playback: No memory playback ;
Do not play silence leading or trailing -deselected
this gives me flawless playback of RP.
Hi, thanks but unfortunately these setting do not help in my setup. Curiously, I don't think these settings are necessarily relevant since I'm experiencing this issue both directly connected to DAC via USB and via DLNA, which doesn't provide for these settings as JRiver audio engine isn't being used when DLNA is employed. Hmmm
I do note that this issue is consistent across a few different machines here running Win10 and one machine on Server2012. The behavior is consistent across the board i.e. sound cuts out. I tried switching to another piece of software using the RP plugin and no issue, however this necessitates using different hardware. Not sure what this means, just adding data points.
I'm enjoying 24.74, sounds great, playing around with panel and kinda getting used to the drop out issue lol... though would be nice to transition properly :)
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Hi Bob, I was reading your notes over a few times and its interesting that when you say '...the log in MC you'll see that it does a request to pull the next "track" before the current one ends.' this is exactly when the sound drops for me, consistently. I'm not reading the log, but in MC when the next song drops into the list as next to play thats when the sound drops. Its immediate and repeatable every time.
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I concur with the above. When I've been watching any interruption happens immediately right after MC adds the next song to the playlist, as if there is no buffering. The cases on my windows instance where two songs were playing together (with or without interruption) also happened at this time. MC shows the same track still playing (after the break) for the last few seconds before moving to the next song.
On macOS, it is more difficult to follow, but when I've been actively watching the break happens at the same time, but the resumption with the next song is shown as a new track altogether.
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Hi folks... another data point that is consistent for me. Looking at Task Manager, when the song is playing I show:
CPU - ~24%
Memory - 56%
Disk - 0-4%
Network - 0%
But as soon as the music gaps i.e. the next song is added to playlist, the 'Disk' red lines to 99% with System and Media Center 24 (32bit) at the top. All others remain the same. When 'Disk' drops back down the music resumes (or is it the other way around?). Then 'Network' increases as the next song downloads (plays at the same time), as one would expect.
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I've removed some off topic grumbling.
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What it's doing on that transition is buffering the next track to disk as fast as your internet connection will serve it which is why the cpu usage spikes (this is only a single thread that has less priority than the playback thread so it still shouldn't cause a gap). That's with the setting for disk buffering (under Media Network->Advanced) DISABLED which is the default.
When that option is checked, the disk buffering is skipped and the next file is seeked (re-opened) by the internet reader code.
It might give a clue if those that can reproduce this can see if there is a difference between the two methods of retrieval.
Another thing I though of last night, we all have SSD's in our computers here, perhaps some of you have hard drive based machines and the disk is sleeping?
On the Mac at any rate I know that's a setting in under System Preferences->Energy Saver->Put disk to sleep whenever possible. I'm sure there is an equivalent in windows.
Also, last night and this morning I played RP on a 7 year old Mac Book Pro (the original HD was changed to SSD) and it played flawlessly on my pretty modest wireless network.
I'd really like to figure this out so any more data points would be useful.
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Hi Bob, not sure if a typo or not but when you say cpu usage spikes, did you mean disk spikes? My cpu never goes above ~35% during this issue.
Disk buffering on/off makes no difference here, it gaps either checked or not.
You may be on to something regarding SSD and normal hard drives. I have all hdd here. No settings I can see in WIN10 where the disk sleeps, plus it doesn't look like my hdd is sleeping. I did try enabling Disk Cache Writing in WIN10 setting and this made no difference. Also played with power plan management to no avail.
The attached screen shot shows the disk red lining at 100%. This happens immediately/instantaneous when the next song shows up as next to play in MC (hasn't downloaded yet), then gap ends when disk performance returns to normal, sound returns, current song continues to play for 10 seconds (ends/fades out normally) then segues into the next song that was just added, which then begins to play and downloads.
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Antivirus?
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Bob,
Not sure if I'm misunderstanding or not, or how important it is but, when you say:
What it's doing on that transition is buffering the next track to disk as fast as your internet connection will serve it which is why the cpu usage spikes (this is only a single thread that has less priority than the playback thread so it still shouldn't cause a gap).
When I get the gap, the transition has not happened, by this I mean the next song, while added to, and seen in, MC as next to play, has not downloaded yet. My network activity is zero. When that song starts to play then and only then does my network activity show ~25 Mbps receive for ~5-6 seconds (song plays while it downloads). So if I understand correctly its not really buffering when the gap occurs?
Hi Jim, hope all is well... yes I certainly thought of that. I use McAffee. First thing I did was shut it down, gap persisted.
Its funny, I'm almost getting used to the gap lol. I'm more curious than anything :)
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Uninstall the antivirus to test.
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Bob,
Not sure if I'm misunderstanding or not, or how important it is but, when you say:
What it's doing on that transition is buffering the next track to disk as fast as your internet connection will serve it which is why the cpu usage spikes (this is only a single thread that has less priority than the playback thread so it still shouldn't cause a gap).
When I get the gap, the transition has not happened, by this I mean the next song, while added to, and seen in, MC as next to play, has not downloaded yet. My network activity is zero. When that song starts to play then and only then does my network activity show ~25 Mbps receive for ~5-6 seconds (song plays while it downloads). So if I understand correctly its not really buffering when the gap occurs?
Hi Jim, hope all is well... yes I certainly thought of that. I use McAffee. First thing I did was shut it down, gap persisted.
Its funny, I'm almost getting used to the gap lol. I'm more curious than anything :)
Yes, the spike in disk/cpu is the thread writing the next track to disk. You shouldn't see that at ALL if that disable buffer to disk thing is checked. If you do, something else is going on.
On a windows machine, even microsoft's security essentials will scan the temp file being written to disk.
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I hear the pause occasionally. Not on every track, but enough to be able to watch what happens and when, if there is a glitch.
I just did a listening test again and watched the disk and network activity. My temp directory is on my OS SSD. I had a backup of one hard drive running to another hard drive at the time, so one hard drive was maxed out. CPU stayed below 20% with no significant spikes. All this other activity seemed to have no effect on the occurrence of the glitch. This was on my Workstation so not the PC in my signature. A 2010 era PC, but still a powerful PC.
I have "Disable audio buffer to disk" unchecked. Audio prebuffering at 6 seconds. Internet speed 55 Mbps down, 5 Mbps up, latency 9 to 16ms. Ping to www.radioparadise.com ~190ms. No memory playback. Gapless. Playing to Realtek High Definition Audio (WASAPI) Exclusive, 100ms buffering.
As far as I could tell, the glitch happens not when the download starts, and not when the disk activity happens, but just before that when there is send activity on the network. I would guess that is when MC sends a request for the next track to Radio Paradise. I was almost able to predict if a glitch would happen before the download or disk activity started, based on whether the quick network send completed without a glitch occurring. The process is quick though, so my predictions weren't 100% accurate. Also, sometimes the send happened at the same time as some other network activity. Possibly even the track download, which seemed to start immediately when the send happened, rather than shortly afterwards.
So maybe look at the code that is requesting the next track Bob.
PS: I did start to look at what was going on using Process Explorer, but by the time I worked out how to detect and capture a glitch, Process Explorer decided to crash. I might have another look at it later. Maybe someone else might try using Process Explorer to zero in on the cause.
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Hi RoderickGI... thanks for adding your observations. The more data points the better.
Jim / Bob - I removed / deleted my McAfee virus software, rebooted, and still no joy. When I did so I noticed Windows Defender turned back on (makes sense) so I completely shut it down. Not sure how, or if even possible, to delete it though.
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I added some read debugging to the log so that we can tell how long after the seek the read begins.
I hope that helps track down the issue...
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I hear the pause occasionally. Not on every track, but enough to be able to watch what happens and when, if there is a glitch.
I just did a listening test again and watched the disk and network activity. My temp directory is on my OS SSD. I had a backup of one hard drive running to another hard drive at the time, so one hard drive was maxed out. CPU stayed below 20% with no significant spikes. All this other activity seemed to have no effect on the occurrence of the glitch. This was on my Workstation so not the PC in my signature. A 2010 era PC, but still a powerful PC.
I have "Disable audio buffer to disk" unchecked. Audio prebuffering at 6 seconds. Internet speed 55 Mbps down, 5 Mbps up, latency 9 to 16ms. Ping to www.radioparadise.com ~190ms. No memory playback. Gapless. Playing to Realtek High Definition Audio (WASAPI) Exclusive, 100ms buffering.
As far as I could tell, the glitch happens not when the download starts, and not when the disk activity happens, but just before that when there is send activity on the network. I would guess that is when MC sends a request for the next track to Radio Paradise. I was almost able to predict if a glitch would happen before the download or disk activity started, based on whether the quick network send completed without a glitch occurring. The process is quick though, so my predictions weren't 100% accurate. Also, sometimes the send happened at the same time as some other network activity. Possibly even the track download, which seemed to start immediately when the send happened, rather than shortly afterwards.
So maybe look at the code that is requesting the next track Bob.
PS: I did start to look at what was going on using Process Explorer, but by the time I worked out how to detect and capture a glitch, Process Explorer decided to crash. I might have another look at it later. Maybe someone else might try using Process Explorer to zero in on the cause.
My Radio Paradise "playback pause or gap" has disappeared altogether? I have removed gapless playback transition options and still no symptoms? Song transition shows ~7 second buffering but zero silence or playback interruption. ;D What has changed? Most grateful regardless!
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My Radio Paradise "playback pause or gap" has disappeared altogether? I have removed gapless playback transition options and still no symptoms? Song transition shows ~7 second buffering but zero silence or playback interruption. ;D What has changed? Most grateful regardless!
It really could be on their end.
If you have gapless turned off, what is the track transition set to?
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It really could be on their end.
If you have gapless turned off, what is the track transition set to?
I agree, it could be RP issue.
Track Change currently:
"Switch tracks: Cross-fade (smooth) - 0.6 s"
With nothing else checked...
RP working "flawlessly" again today with perfect transitions (zero gap or silence)
...as if tracks were part of "main" library?!
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Good day! Is there any news on the topic? The problem has not been solved. Playback is interrupted at the end of almost every track. Raspberry Pi + Volumio + radio Paradise plug-in plays without interruptions on the same network. I really hope that JRiver will solve this problem soon.
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What version are you using?
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24.0.75 Windows
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I apologize if this outlined elsewhere... have searched....
I love RP, but often listen to the RP Groovy Mix.
The Groovy Mix is easy to access via JRemote (thanks!) but I cannot for the life of me see how to access it via the Streaming menu item in the main JRiver application - just a thumbnail that plays the main mix.
Am I missing something??
Cheers,
Dave
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I apologize if this outlined elsewhere... have searched....
I love RP, but often listen to the RP Groovy Mix.
The Groovy Mix is easy to access via JRemote (thanks!) but I cannot for the life of me see how to access it via the Streaming menu item in the main JRiver application - just a thumbnail that plays the main mix.
Am I missing something??
Cheers,
Dave
Tools>options>tree & view>customise toolbars - select that and you can add all of the different RP mixes to your top or if you prefer to your bottom MC toolbar.
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Tools>options>tree & view>customise toolbars - select that and you can add all of the different RP mixes to your top or if you prefer to your bottom MC toolbar.
Many thanks. Definitely useful - though not what was expecting!
Would be great if the channels in “Streaming” could be configured.
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I agree, it could be RP issue.
Track Change currently:
"Switch tracks: Cross-fade (smooth) - 0.6 s"
With nothing else checked...
RP working "flawlessly" again today with perfect transitions (zero gap or silence)
...as if tracks were part of "main" library?!
Just upgraded to the new v25. Wish I could remember how I set up the parameters in v24 to stop this problem...
There's a weird gap/stutter at the beginning of each new track. What's weird is that it's not a gap. A track ends, I hear the first part of a second of the new track, then there's a brief stutter and everything fine. The behavior is almost like when Jim Carey turns into the green guy in The Mask and shakes his head furiously... jumbledy shudder and then fine.
I've been tracking it a bit. If the new song is really short (like Grateful Dead Ripple), it may not stutter, but... it may.
I know my network is fast and up to the load... I've been using Roon to stream Tidal and Qobuz without any issues. It could be the protocol that RP uses... but there must be a workaround because I somehow fixed the problem on v24 of JRiver.
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Memory playback?
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Just upgraded to the new v25. Wish I could remember how I set up the parameters in v24 to stop this problem...
There's a weird gap/stutter at the beginning of each new track. What's weird is that it's not a gap. A track ends, I hear the first part of a second of the new track, then there's a brief stutter and everything fine. The behavior is almost like when Jim Carey turns into the green guy in The Mask and shakes his head furiously... jumbledy shudder and then fine.
I've been tracking it a bit. If the new song is really short (like Grateful Dead Ripple), it may not stutter, but... it may.
I know my network is fast and up to the load... I've been using Roon to stream Tidal and Qobuz without any issues. It could be the protocol that RP uses... but there must be a workaround because I somehow fixed the problem on v24 of JRiver.
There should be something abstracted from all the "do this try that" that's stickied somewhere about streaming. Something that says, do this first, then this next, etc.
I printed out the entire thread of problems in this thread and thought I'd work through the options. Wife is away for the weekend so there wouldn't be mocking about how complex this has all become.
From looking at the whole list of things people tried, a number of different things worked for a number of different people. (I did a lot of optimization of AI apps and supercomputer performance, so I have a feel for what can go wrong.) I tried to abstract from all that.
Seemed like buffering mattered a lot. I watched the cuts arrive on my computer and the new one arrived JUST before the old one. Given what I know about RP's protocol I thought that some settings about gapless would matter... their protocol seems to make it all seem to JRiver like random music cuts, played in a stream.
First I changed buffering. Went to 1000ms (someone else went to 2000ms, which would have been my next tweak.) Got better... the weird Jim Carrey BLBMBBPTBLEPT! stuff was not every cut.
Given that their stream is like a bunch of single cuts, I thought that tweaking something on gaplessness might help. The default was "switch tracks" and some value. (or, that's what was copied from my last version... don't know if installing a new one copies from the last.) I set it for gapless for manual track changes, and for albums. (I think the RP protocol is read by JRiver as manual track changes.)
Two hours in now, and haven't had a glitch yet. The only bothersome thing... in two hours, I haven't had a single Radio Paradise station break where they say who they are. Maybe they don't do them Saturday night? Don't know. I'll be unhappy if these settings stop the mellow voices of Bill and Rebecca from coming through. Nice people, and I like having them drop in from time to time. CORRECTION - after two hours, Bill just showed up. Scratch that.
Memory playback is set to default, or if the upgrade copies from the old install, for memory playback. I've watched the status screen. The next cut shows up on the list about 10-15 seconds before the last one ends. That did NOT happen before. The behavior before was the new cut showed up just about when the last one was ending.
Context info: My server was purpose over built to serve music and video to my home (six endpoints) and studio. 64bit Windows. i5 3450 Intel chip. 16gm ram. Two SSDs, one for the OS and apps, one exclusively for caches and scratch disks and indexes. Triple mirror, internal, of the content disk. Nightly backup to a mirrored Ethernet connection to network storage. Connected to Orbi satellite, so its data streams from the internet, to the NAS, and to other playback in the house, use the Orbi back channel to the cable modem. Fiber optic USB to the DAC.
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So you are set to gapless track transitions and 1000ms buffering and that cures it for you?
Just FYI the breaks aren't on track boundaries because RP does crossfade.
There should be something abstracted from all the "do this try that" that's stickied somewhere about streaming. Something that says, do this first, then this next, etc.
I printed out the entire thread of problems in this thread and thought I'd work through the options. Wife is away for the weekend so there wouldn't be mocking about how complex this has all become.
From looking at the whole list of things people tried, a number of different things worked for a number of different people. (I did a lot of optimization of AI apps and supercomputer performance, so I have a feel for what can go wrong.) I tried to abstract from all that.
Seemed like buffering mattered a lot. I watched the cuts arrive on my computer and the new one arrived JUST before the old one. Given what I know about RP's protocol I thought that some settings about gapless would matter... their protocol seems to make it all seem to JRiver like random music cuts, played in a stream.
First I changed buffering. Went to 1000ms (someone else went to 2000ms, which would have been my next tweak.) Got better... the weird Jim Carrey BLBMBBPTBLEPT! stuff was not every cut.
Given that their stream is like a bunch of single cuts, I thought that tweaking something on gaplessness might help. The default was "switch tracks" and some value. (or, that's what was copied from my last version... don't know if installing a new one copies from the last.) I set it for gapless for manual track changes, and for albums. (I think the RP protocol is read by JRiver as manual track changes.)
Two hours in now, and haven't had a glitch yet. The only bothersome thing... in two hours, I haven't had a single Radio Paradise station break where they say who they are. Maybe they don't do them Saturday night? Don't know. I'll be unhappy if these settings stop the mellow voices of Bill and Rebecca from coming through. Nice people, and I like having them drop in from time to time. CORRECTION - after two hours, Bill just showed up. Scratch that.
Memory playback is set to default, or if the upgrade copies from the old install, for memory playback. I've watched the status screen. The next cut shows up on the list about 10-15 seconds before the last one ends. That did NOT happen before. The behavior before was the new cut showed up just about when the last one was ending.
Context info: My server was purpose over built to serve music and video to my home (six endpoints) and studio. 64bit Windows. i5 3450 Intel chip. 16gm ram. Two SSDs, one for the OS and apps, one exclusively for caches and scratch disks and indexes. Triple mirror, internal, of the content disk. Nightly backup to a mirrored Ethernet connection to network storage. Connected to Orbi satellite, so its data streams from the internet, to the NAS, and to other playback in the house, use the Orbi back channel to the cable modem. Fiber optic USB to the DAC.
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Just upgraded to the new v25. Wish I could remember how I set up the parameters in v24 to stop this problem...
If you just installed MC25, it should have found the MC24 installation and all its settings. If it did not, then find a MC24 Library Backup and Restore it into MC25, with settings.
With either of the above, you would then have the same settings in MC25 as you had in MC24, and there would be no need to work out the correct settings again.
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Just upgraded to the new v25. Wish I could remember how I set up the parameters in v24 to stop this problem...
There's a weird gap/stutter at the beginning of each new track. What's weird is that it's not a gap. A track ends, I hear the first part of a second of the new track, then there's a brief stutter and everything fine. The behavior is almost like when Jim Carey turns into the green guy in The Mask and shakes his head furiously... jumbledy shudder and then fine.
I've been tracking it a bit. If the new song is really short (like Grateful Dead Ripple), it may not stutter, but... it may.
I know my network is fast and up to the load... I've been using Roon to stream Tidal and Qobuz without any issues. It could be the protocol that RP uses... but there must be a workaround because I somehow fixed the problem on v24 of JRiver.
I recently upgraded to MC25 and this problem "is back" for me as well.
FYI - RP FLAC web player has none of the MC25 track transition issues
I have done a "side-by-side" playback comparison of RP web player using FLAC and MC25 streaming FLAC and noticed the following:
Track currently playing on RP player downloads file "in bite sized chunks" during play- vs. MC25 playback downloads "entire" file prior to playback.
The MC25 playback gap/stutter occurs at ~10 sec. remaining of "current" track playing and persists until next track is "downloaded" - then play back of "current" track resumes to complete remaining 10 sec.
Manual track advance in RP web player - transitions smoothly with steady streaming of new track. Manual track advance in MC25 forces playback "pause/gap" as new track is "downloaded in full" vs. steady streaming of new track.
Hope this helps find root cause?
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Hi... issue still on going for me, but with v25.0.31 seems a bit better i.e. gap duration is much less. On v25.0.27 there were occasions where all of a sudden white noise, not good with the volume up lol. Also lots of issues with the stream just stopping at the end of a song. But as said .31 does seem better.
Question: I note RP has a fairly new experimental FLAC stream at URL http://audio-3.Radioparadise.com:8000/flac. Its beta but when I try to use it via 'Open URL' in JRiver why am I getting a 'Nothing to Play' msg? This URL works no issue in Firefox, Chrome, other players etc. I'd like to try it and see if it solves my issue with gaping at the end of every song.
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All my RP playback transition issues have disappeared as of MC 25.0.27? :)
Smooth as silk transitions with no playback "pause" and manual track advance transitions without issue. Approx. 1 week without any RP playback issues.
I have done nothing differently and wonder if this intermittent issue may be RP server/capacity issue?
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Hi... issue still on going for me, but with v25.0.31 seems a bit better i.e. gap duration is much less. On v25.0.27 there were occasions where all of a sudden white noise, not good with the volume up lol. Also lots of issues with the stream just stopping at the end of a song. But as said .31 does seem better.
Question: I note RP has a fairly new experimental FLAC stream at URL http://audio-3.Radioparadise.com:8000/flac. Its beta but when I try to use it via 'Open URL' in JRiver why am I getting a 'Nothing to Play' msg? This URL works no issue in Firefox, Chrome, other players etc. I'd like to try it and see if it solves my issue with gaping at the end of every song.
The track transition within a block is all now done with a disk buffer, you should have no gaps if your track transitions are set to gapless (as long as you haven't disabled audio buffering in Media Network settings).
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All my RP playback transition issues have disappeared as of MC 25.0.27? :)
Smooth as silk transitions with no playback "pause" and manual track advance transitions without issue. Approx. 1 week without any RP playback issues.
I have done nothing differently and wonder if this intermittent issue may be RP server/capacity issue?
We are now buffering the whole block to disk so you shouldn't see gaps in any scenario (other than not having enough bandwidth to play the flac continuously).
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I am having 'drop-outs' in Radio Paradise playback in recent weeks.
When I play their stream from the Web Player on their site, I experience NO drop-outs or other interruptions.
Same stream, same audio quality, same computer, same WiFi connection.
Help, please.
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I am having 'drop-outs' in Radio Paradise playback in recent weeks.
When I play their stream from the Web Player on their site, I experience NO drop-outs or other interruptions.
Same stream, same audio quality, same computer, same WiFi connection.
Help, please.
Build of MC?
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On another note, the next build of MC25 will work with that test stream and Open URL.
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Build of MC?
this latest version available 24.0.78
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this latest version available 24.0.78
The RP changes are in MC25.
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Hi Bob... after posting my RP gap issue a while back I sat patiently in the wings checking in now and then hoping/knowing the JRiver team was working in the background on this issue, and here we are... flac streaming of RP working seamlessly for me for the first time. I've been listening for a few hours and transitions are as they should be. A big thanks to the team for not forgetting about this issue, especially during a busy v25 roll out. On my other system I use DLNA. It still gaps, likely due to no option for gapless? Best to wait for JRiver support of RP beta flac stream to solve gapless over DLNA?
Thanks folks
Jeff
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... correction, meant to say 'Best to wait for JRiver support of RP beta flac stream to solve gap issue over DLNA'
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Question: I note RP has a fairly new experimental FLAC stream at URL http://audio-3.Radioparadise.com:8000/flac. Its beta but when I try to use it via 'Open URL' in JRiver why am I getting a 'Nothing to Play' msg? This URL works no issue in Firefox, Chrome, other players etc. I'd like to try it and see if it solves my issue with gaping at the end of every song.
The experimental stream plays fine in MC25 now.
It's important to note that RP isn't currently providing ICY-MetaData in the stream so you won't see details of the track, cover art, etc.
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Hi, I'm now able to play the flac URL if sending to 'player' but not as a DLNA server to either my Lumin D1 or Marantz SR7005 renderers. I note where 25.34 update says 'NEW: Flac in Ogg streams will play from File->Open URL (and also when playing as a DLNA renderer).' So perhaps not meant to work as a DLNA server?
When using the streaming option I can send RP FLAC to 'player' now without the gap issue. Gaps still happen using DLNA. So no joy for me using either method via DLNA in two different systems.
Thx
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Hi, I'm now able to play the flac URL if sending to 'player' but not as a DLNA server to either my Lumin D1 or Marantz SR7005 renderers. I note where 25.34 update says 'NEW: Flac in Ogg streams will play from File->Open URL (and also when playing as a DLNA renderer).' So perhaps not meant to work as a DLNA server?
When using the streaming option I can send RP FLAC to 'player' now without the gap issue. Gaps still happen using DLNA. So no joy for me using either method via DLNA in two different systems.
Thx
Your DLNA playback device must be able to handle the experimental flac in ogg stream. I would not expect most devices to do this.
I have tested this here and MC as a DLNA renderer works fine, as does volumio.
Using the RP playback within MC which includes the cover art and metadata. If your renderer doesn't support gapless playback, it will not playback gaplessly.
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Hi
loving paradise radio, its the dogs. Any chance you can get this to work in theatre view with a remote
there's got to be so many of us out here using a media centre type set up
regards
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Hi
loving paradise radio, its the dogs. Any chance you can get this to work in theatre view with a remote
there's got to be so many of us out here using a media centre type set up
regards
Good suggestion, we are looking into it.
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Thanks Bob... I've started to suspect my renderer of late for other reasons so this makes sense. I appreciate all the good work put into this.
Jeff
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Ok... well now nothing works for me lol. I can't stream RP FLAC to my Lumin D1 using URL or Stream mode since about 25.0.36. No sound, counts to 5 then ends. If under DLNA settings 'Mode' 'Original' is set it will play and no gaps, but repeats the songs after the chunk of RP (~25 min) finishes, plus song list does not count up, only the first song is ever shown.... but no gaps lol. Anyway, reverting back to 24.0.75 works fine, plays, shows artwork etc but gaps.
Frustration level is climbing... would like to just listen to music and not fight with this all the time. Perhaps just go back to AAC-320 and be done with RP Flac but I'm stubborn. Maybe time to move on from the Lumin? who knows where the issue lies but somethings gotta give. In no way saying its a JRiver issue, Lumin says not them, and JRiver folks have been very responsive... I'm at a loss.
Count me frustrated.
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... I should mention that if under DLNA server configuration 'Format' I change to MP3 from PCM 24-bit it will play. Lumin is capable of playing 24-bit FLAC and playing local files in this format works no issue.
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Just tried from a different computer, this time an older laptop running WIN10, JRiver 25.0.38 DLNA to Lumin D1 wireless... streaming RP FLAC works, and works well. No gaps. On my Asus VIVO, wired no joy. Exact same JRiver settings. OS on the VIVO is Server2012 and fully understand this is not supported. I respect this. But why does 24.0.75 work on the VIVO, albeit with gaps? 25.0.38 works on WIN 10, but not on Server2012 (it did in earlier version of 25) unless FLAC stream is changed to MP3 under DLNA server settings. Weird.
Understand if JRiver folks don't respond due to unsupported OS, but is anyone experiencing these issues or issues with Lumin D1?
Thanks
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I can't explain what's the issue between your different OS's but I'll explain how RP works in MC now and perhaps that will help.
The stream is a block of songs, as you say around 20 minutes and it contains playback ranges for each track in that block.
You can't really send that unconverted to the renderer device because that file that will be not split into playback ranges which it needs to do to get track playback. That's why you get the repeat after 4 or 5 "tracks".
So what you want to do in MC is to choose DLNA server Audio option "Specified format when necessary", then under the DLNA server's Audio->Advanced, select only the formats your device cannot handle. Even if you select none of the formats, things with Playback Ranges will still be converted. This includes cue/bin files and RP streams. You will want to choose a format that your DLNA rendering device can handle. It's not possible to convert flac ranges to unranged flac but you can simply have it decoded losslessly to headerless L16 PCM which is REQUIRED by the spec to be supported by all DLNA rendering devices. If your device is non-compliant you can try the wave format (PCM 16 bit) otherwise the only format you can use is MP3.
If your device supports gapless playback, with 25.0.38 and the above settings you will see MC feed 2 tracks at a time (the second after about 10 seconds) to the DLNA renderer.
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Hi Bob... thanks, always helpful to better understand how things work. Played around a bit more with no luck. What did work however was a clean uninstall / reinstall of JRiver 25.0.37. Mode: Specified Output Format Only When Necessary; Format: PCM 24-bit and RP streaming again but with gaps. Updated to 25.0.38, made sure Disable Setnext Support was NOT ticked, and now, finally, I have RP FLAC streaming with no gaps and with MC feeding 2 tracks at a time, the second one after ~10 seconds as you say. A big thanks for sticking with me on this, its appreciated. I'm not getting artwork using Panel or with Gizmo but I'll look elsewhere for that :)
Thanks
Jeff
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Hi Bob... thanks, always helpful to better understand how things work. Played around a bit more with no luck. What did work however was a clean uninstall / reinstall of JRiver 25.0.37. Mode: Specified Output Format Only When Necessary; Format: PCM 24-bit and RP streaming again but with gaps. Updated to 25.0.38, made sure Disable Setnext Support was NOT ticked, and now, finally, I have RP FLAC streaming with no gaps and with MC feeding 2 tracks at a time, the second one after ~10 seconds as you say. A big thanks for sticking with me on this, its appreciated. I'm not getting artwork using Panel or with Gizmo but I'll look elsewhere for that :)
Thanks
Jeff
Thanks for the report back.
RP is 16 bit so you aren't getting anything by converting to 24 (unless you have other material that needs 24 bits).
The SetNext support can get automatically disabled in some situations if the device responds with an error so if gapless stops working it pays to re-check that setting.
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Hi there, running JR 25 and noticed that Radio Paradise now integrates the web player to the JR streaming screen which is excellent. However I can't seem to get it to play-it played before when the songs loaded in list form previously.
If you know of any fixes in settings that may be available that can get it working for me it would be much appreciated.
Regards
Nick Taylor
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Hi there, running JR 25 and noticed that Radio Paradise now integrates the web player to the JR streaming screen which is excellent. However I can't seem to get it to play-it played before when the songs loaded in list form previously.
If you know of any fixes in settings that may be available that can get it working for me it would be much appreciated.
Regards
Nick Taylor
What are you seeing when it doesn't work? We can't seem to duplicate that here.
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Running into the same issue. RP just stopped working a couple of days ago. When I click on any of the four stream options, I get this message:
Can’t reach this page
•Make sure the web address http://localhost:52199 is correct
•Search for this site on Bing
•Refresh the page
Any help is appreciated, as I love that I can see the tracks that have played and skip ones I don't care for.
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Whenever I click on a Radio Paradise stream in JRiver I have to provide my JRiver login credentials otherwise it does not work.
Please see attached image.
If I disable Media Network in option then JRiver reports cannot find that page, this would imply you need to have Media Network enabled to listen to RP.
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Running into the same issue. RP just stopped working a couple of days ago. When I click on any of the four stream options, I get this message:
Can’t reach this page
•Make sure the web address http://localhost:52199 is correct
•Search for this site on Bing
•Refresh the page
Any help is appreciated, as I love that I can see the tracks that have played and skip ones I don't care for.
Make sure Media Network is not disabled.
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Whenever I click on a Radio Paradise stream in JRiver I have to provide my JRiver login credentials otherwise it does not work.
Please see attached image.
If I disable Media Network in option then JRiver reports cannot find that page, this would imply you need to have Media Network enabled to listen to RP.
Are you running the Linux version of Media Center?
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If you disable read-only authentication you'll get this error. At least temporarily you should re-enable it.
Alternately you can add the radio paradise play buttons to your toolbar (right-click in the tool bar and do customize) to create an easier way to start RP.
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Make sure Media Network is not disabled.
That fixed it. Not sure how the media network got disabled. Thank you.
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Hi there, running JR 25 and noticed that Radio Paradise now integrates the web player to the JR streaming screen which is excellent. However I can't seem to get it to play-it played before when the songs loaded in list form previously.
If you know of any fixes in settings that may be available that can get it working for me it would be much appreciated.
Regards
Nick Taylor
I too recently developed this problem...
"Customize Toolbar" fix identified below adding RP to toolbar worked well - allowing Playback.
The RP streaming Icon displays - and initiates, but no action results for me
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I've added Radio Paradise to Theater View, but it only lists 2 channels: Main and Mellow. Is it possible to add Rocking and Eclectic?
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I've added Radio Paradise to Theater View, but it only lists 2 channels: Main and Mellow. Is it possible to add Rocking and Eclectic?
Yes, in the next build.
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will all 4 be available in the radio paradise folder in streaming in theater view. Right now it only gives you the option to play.
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will all 4 be available in the radio paradise folder in streaming in theater view. Right now it only gives you the option to play.
Yes, both that and the individual add Radio Paradise will work.
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Yes, in the next build.
Awesome! Thanks!