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More => Old Versions => JRiver Media Center 25 for Windows => Topic started by: JimH on December 20, 2018, 12:49:13 pm
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In MC24.0.70 or above, you can right click on any audio playlist of lossless files and choose Upload to Cloud. This uploads the playlist and the lossless files themselves. It inserts the new upload under Playlists > Cloud, and you can play it from any copy of Media Center. So, for example, at work, you could play a playlist you uploaded from home.
The files are stored on our Amazon S3 server. They will also be available for Radio JRiver (https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,116509.0.html) programmers.
To upload, you need to have a Doctor Who account and be logged into it. Click the settings icon and check "Only show users and playlists that have uploaded content".
The playlist is also available from Playlists > Doctor Who.
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Just a note to mention that the lossless files need to be standard cd quality - hi res files are rejected by the upload software.
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I converted some 128 mp3 to lossless and put in a playlist but I do not see ability to copy to cloud when I right click on that playlist. What am I doing wrong? I do have Doctor Who opened and signed in.
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I would highly recommend not transcoding a lossy format like MP3s to a lossless format like FLAC or APE. Not only do 128kbps MP3s sound bad (in my opinion), transcoding lossy to lossless in general is frowned upon.
Transcoding lossy to lossless isn't not listed in JRiver's rules for Radio JRiver, but in my opinion it should be.
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Got it, so all of my 100K+ music is in 128 Mp3 format.
Does that mean that I can not use JRiver's cloud for some playlists?
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Got it, so all of my 100K+ music is in 128 Mp3 format.
Does that mean that I can not use JRiver's cloud for some playlists?
That's correct at this time.
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and this is why i upgraded yesterday, should have read the post a little closer.
Jim, is there plans to add mp3?
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Must have embedded cover art.
I've chosen to not embed cover art.
I usually end up with 3000x3000 cover art at a size of about 5MB.
Multiply that by 12 songs = an extra 60MB of disk space. 60MB more backed up to cloud storage. 60MB more copied to portable devices. 12 files needing backed up to the cloud again if I apply better coverart down the line, etc.
Not having embedded art keeps me from using this feature and the upload to play doctor feature.
Any possibility of grabbing folder.jpg when embedded art is empty in some future build?
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I converted some 128 mp3 to lossless and put in a playlist but I do not see ability to copy to cloud when I right click on that playlist. What am I doing wrong? I do have Doctor Who opened and signed in.
You are not going to achieve better quality transcoding from lossy to lossless. You need to re rip your cd's to gain the better quality.
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What maddog says is very true - I should point out that the cloud upload mechanism is designed to detect flac files converted from a lossy format and prevent them from being uploaded. They only want CD quality lossless files, with embedded cover art images and they must be audio analysed.
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I've moved this to the MC25 board since we're planning more changes.
We could use some more files for testing, if someone can upload a few playlists. Just post your Doctor Who account name here.
Currently, the old Doctor Who playlists are also showing, but we expect to remove them. Those playlists have no corresponding audio tracks, so they only play if you already have the tracks locally.
The new playlists you upload will include the audio tracks. We pay the license fees so that anyone can stream these playlists. They serve as the basis for Radio JRiver, so the more tracks we have, the better that experience will be.
More about Radio JRiver (https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,116509.msg805251.html#msg805251)
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I went to upload a playlist and remembered the two main reasons why I stopped using the functionality.
- The message that shows me what won't upload isn't savable. Meaning, it popped up and said 14 tracks wouldn't be uploaded. You click OK, then you have no idea what to go fix. This message shouldn't be modal.
- Forcing to have embedded artwork is a big restriction. I don't always do that, but I might have artwork in a folder. I don't want to modify my FLACs to do this. MC should get the coverart on upload and embed it in the cloud copy if you want the coverart embedded.
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I created a lower res flac library with embedded art on a usb drive to do the uploads from. This has the advantage of not filling up your main library with tons of duplicate files with the http:// filepath. I like a clean solution! I don't have to embed cover art into my main library files. Plus there is no way I would consider converting expensive high res files to low res in my main library.
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Almost forgot!!!
Playdoctor username: swiv3D
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I went to upload a playlist and remembered the two main reasons why I stopped using the functionality.
The message that shows me what won't upload isn't savable. Meaning, it popped up and said 14 tracks wouldn't be uploaded. You click OK, then you have no idea what to go fix. This message shouldn't be modal.
You may have tried uploading something that wasn't a lossless file. You could correct that in the playlist that you're trying to upload.
Forcing to have embedded artwork is a big restriction. I don't always do that, but I might have artwork in a folder. I don't want to modify my FLACs to do this. MC should get the cover art on upload and embed it in the cloud copy if you want the cover art embedded.
That has come up before and we'll probably make a change for it. Do you have cover art stored as folder.jpg?
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You may have tried uploading something that wasn't a lossless file. You could correct that in the playlist that you're trying to upload.That has come up before and we'll probably make a change for it. Do you have cover art stored as folder.jpg?
Sorry for the delay Jim. All are FLACs. But I have had some 24 bit ones rejected, which was annoying, but then I just removed them.
As far as cover art, some are folder.jpg, a few are Cover.jpg, some are [Artist] - [Album].jpg, some are [Album].jpg. But the large majority of it is in the cover art folder as specified in MC.
Realistically, if my local MC sees cover art, then the upload should just pick it up and send it. I mean that even for stuff using the rules of Series and Season.
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I created a lower res flac library with embedded art on a usb drive to do the uploads from. This has the advantage of not filling up your main library with tons of duplicate files with the http:// filepath. I like a clean solution! I don't have to embed cover art into my main library files. Plus there is no way I would consider converting expensive high res files to low res in my main library.
That's a good idea. Takes extra effort, but a good way around what I mentioned. I might try to do that, it's not a long term answer, but it at least will meet the upload requirements and not change my library to suit.
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It is also a good idea to set up an empty library called streaming which is used whenever you want to stream files - if you stream in your main library you get all sorts of file duplication necessitating a don't show files with a filepath starting with http:// in all of your views.
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It is also a good idea to set up an empty library called streaming which is used whenever you want to stream files - if you stream in your main library you get all sorts of file duplication necessitating a don't show files with a filepath starting with http:// in all of your views.
If that's still happening, it's a bug. It was fixed a few weeks ago.
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Trying to sign up to Doctor Who (using forum username/email) but I get: "this email address is already in use - Email has already been taken".
Is this to be expected and a different email is required?
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It will be tomorrow before we can check. Sorry.
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As I previously posted in the cloudplay thread - I can't even access playlists I previously uploaded before I upgraded to MC - I don't understand it at all and am getting no error messages - Is there anywhere a log is kept of inputs/outputs so I can get at least an idea of what is going on as all the other internet dependent services appear to working fine
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As I previously posted in the cloudplay thread - I can't even access playlists I previously uploaded before I upgraded to MC - I don't understand it at all and am getting no error messages - Is there anywhere a log is kept of inputs/outputs so I can get at least an idea of what is going on as all the other internet dependent services appear to working fine
It's likely our problem. Please stand by. We'll fix it next week.
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tried upgrading to 25.016 - tried uploading and playing again but still not working - MC is acting differently however which I've posted in the cloudplay thread in case it helps
UPDATE: Working - Seems a problem with chromium for me - working with IE as default browser
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UPDATE: Working - Seems a problem with chromium for me - working with IE as default browser
That's odd 'cos I am using chromium with no problem ?
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I think JimH posted that there was an issue with chromium in another thread and there was a fairly easy fix as it was to do with a cookie if I remember. Anyway happily working for me :)
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If you have a problem with MC when it's using the Chromium browser engine, try logging in outside MC in the Chrome browser. That should set the cookie so MC then works.
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JimH could you post how to log in to Cloudplay outside MC in the chrome browser please - I know you put a link in a thread somewhere on the forum but I can't find it :( - for some stupid reason my MC25 seems to be resetting to the
chromium browser all the time so I need to set the cookie :(
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JimH could you post how to log in to Cloudplay outside MC in the chrome browser please - I know you put a link in a thread somewhere on the forum but I can't find it :( - for some stupid reason my MC25 seems to be resetting to the
chromium browser all the time so I need to set the cookie :(
Sorry.
Here's the address:
https://user.jriver.com/
Search for "web browser" in MC's settings. You can change it there.
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Thanks :)
Unfortunately that hasn't fixed the other problem I'm having - last night I could upload a play list with media to cloud and the play list would appear under my username Axil. I have tried to upload a new playlist today and I can clearly see the progress but the playlist doesn't appear in cloud play, However it does appear under the left side menu cloud and clearly have the address of the offsite server as the source (see below -have just copy and pasted the first track in the list to show)
When I click on the list to play it's definitely streaming (when I disconnect from internet the music stops so it's not playing a local copy ) - I'm just not sure why it doesn't show up on the cloudplay screen
Seq Name Artist Album Rating Genre Track # Duration Bitrate File Type Date Filename
1 01 Temple Head Transglobal Underground Run Devils And Demons (flac) ? stars World 5:02 960 flac http://RadioJRiver:0QIhGt1d3gAkvr5NSNXKVO2lGXDg7ieo+DIEL6a2Y7Rau7c1lAlOJGpNFcvLbhdOe0xmrJgOWe3VPHQSHyu2K6fs5NjIjCQFF0cGSuXsPT9HIBl0IFap0nsR6o99GCFXn2pn0oE98FxLBQrUK1aKxWpljCFFhyXrZlfDR6t/CCxdhnOCBbyqQ+7/TH
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We're making some changes to encourage better playlists.
I believe the current requirement is 10 tracks or more. Less than that will only be displayed to the user who uploaded them.
We also removed a lot of one track playlists.
We'll try to document this better next week.
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thanks that may explain why I'm having issues tonight - the play list I showed below btw is actually 20 songs long but it's not appearing at all in cloudplay - hopefully it's just a glitch and will sort itself out
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What is the playlist named? Try giving it a name that describes it. Not "test", for example.
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It's called Upload3 - has 21 tracks with a total playtime of 2:01:04 . Also If I try to upload the original playlist (with local media) back up to the cloud it reports. I've Tried Making another playlist with the same local tracks (called Dance) and tried uploading that also but atm the upload progress bar just flicks through each track *about 1 track per 2 seconds) and then reports the playlist failed to upload in a pop up box but complete on status action bar (weirdly when i click on the playlist under cloud the tracks appear to be the same ones that were uploading previously under the Upload3 name (see attached) . It also saves a copy of the Dance.mpl file to my desktop
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I can't see it listed under Axil in cloudplay, just testie and upload 1.
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same here - but it's definitely playing from somewhere off my home network ( all i can think of is it;s on the Radio JRiver server (see the address on my posted attachment) but not feeding through to cloud play / doctor who) When I attempt to upload I do get a confirnatory email to my gmail account cloud play is linked to (see the one for playlist dance below)
mediacenter at jriver
11:01 PM (30 minutes ago)
to me
30 Mar 18:01 Download link: Dance Link to copy/paste into station file: https://s3.amazonaws.com/content.jriver.com/users/2281/44616e6365.mpl
but clicking on the download link just reports no files at location
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Just trying an upload now to see what happens.
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Axilian,
Are you using MC 25.0.17?
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Just downloaded your mpl file by using your https reference and it is playing nicely!
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30 Mar 18:01 Download link: Dance Link to copy/paste into station file: https://s3.amazonaws.com/content.jriver.com/users/2281/44616e6365.mpl
but clicking on the download link just reports no files at location
If you click on that link, it should download. If you then drag it to MC, it should play. I'm playing it. 21 tracks, beginning with "Temple Head" and ending with "Sun Rising".
You can also copy the link and do MC File > Open URL. That works.
Try switching your web browser in MC.
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Can Confirm I'm using 25.017 64 bit version in normal install onto my D: drive (so not in C;\program files so there should not be issues with UAC)
I just tried reuploading th Dance playlist but just got the same thing as i described earlier have made a brand new play list aaaaaaa which has 15 new files in it - it's uploading atm (taking it's time as the files are are being sent rather than skipped)
aaaaaa playlist upload just completed - had exactly the same think - pop up box says the file failed to upload - status box says upload progress complete (pic attached) anf the streaming playlist appears under cloud left hand menu but not in cloud play
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Ok, so uploaded a new classical set - everything went well until the final - failed to upload playlist warning. the .mpl file appears on the desktop but when played the first track is always skipped to the second track - I have never seen this behaviour in previous uploads so something is clearly wrong. The playlist doesn't appear in the cloudplay listing.
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If you click on that link, it should download. If you then drag it to MC, it should play. I'm playing it. 21 tracks, beginning with "Temple Head" and ending with "Sun Rising".
You can also copy the link and do MC File > Open URL. That works.
Try switching your web browser in MC.
Yep I can definitely download & play the stream (and since you can it;s there :) ) though if I link the download link 'Dance' (rather than the url) i get the attached browser error. I just can't figure why it doesn't show under Axil in Cloudplay
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Ok, so uploaded a new classical set - everything went well until the final - failed to upload playlist warning. the .mpl file appears on the desktop but when played the first track is always skipped to the second track - I have never seen this behaviour in previous uploads so something is clearly wrong. The playlist doesn't appear in the cloudplay listing.
same as me then - at least I'm not unique - time for bed for me - past midnight but at least the error i was getting is reproducible that gives more of a chance of finding out what's going on :)
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My upload is
https://s3.amazonaws.com/content.jriver.com/users/2321/436c6173736963616c203139.mpl
Does track one play for you? You don't need to listen any further as I guess classical isn't yours bag. :P
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My upload is
https://s3.amazonaws.com/content.jriver.com/users/2321/436c6173736963616c203139.mpl
Does track one play for you? You don't need to listen any further as I guess classical isn't yours bag. :P
It works. I like classical a lot and listen to it often.
What is the playlist named on Cloudplay? Did it get added?
Apparently not.
Try switching the browser engine in MC settings.
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track 1 (Max Bruch) played fine once i downloaded the stream (don't worry about the classical I have about 200 classical lps cds and SACDs :) myself ) - the play list does'nt show up in cloudplay though - ok better get to bed - night all
UPDATE before I go - I've tried switch back and fore with browser , for me both do the same behaviour (now i sorted the cookie for chromium)
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It is classical 19 - on reupload I still get the fail to upload playlist but when I play the desktop .mpl it now plays the first track. but the playlist doesn't appear in the cloudplay playlist section under my username. I have switched between IE and chromium a couple of times and it makes no difference.
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As track 1 didn't play for me after the failed but successful upload ? could it be something to do with your attempt to remove single track playlists?
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Probably not. How are you trying to play it? MC > File > Open URL worked for me.
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It is playing fine now after the reupload - using the cloud playlist section in standard view. It's is rather odd that the original .mpl file from the desktop dump wouldn't play track 1 but after a reupload the desktop dump .mpl worked as expected albeit it doesn't show up as a playlist in cloudplay.
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Clicking on the download link in the email gives me the snippet jpg attached.
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I am playing it from the .mpl file downloaded to the desktop.
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I am playing it from the .mpl file downloaded to the desktop.
That may be opening a browser outside MC. It won't work.
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Opening from jriver having imported the .mpl file into the cloud playlist section. I have an upload library and a streaming library the outcoime is the same for both - track 1 doesn't play unless I am a bit devious and do a download from the email link. The fact that an uploaded playlist fails to show is clear proof that cloudplay is broken,
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Try open url.
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Just as an alert -when you play the mpl file - check the main library and the album you took the track you uploaded from - It appears the track appears gets inserted as an additional track into the main album with the location as the jriver server (luckily I tend to use recently added albums as my main library view so it shows up as it pops the album to the most recently added)
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Cloudplay uploading now working :) (01/04/2019 18:00 GMT)
- I am however still getting the effect I described in previous post with the uploaded file popping up in the entry in the album it originally came from (see attached - track 4 ) - no major problem as I can go back and just delete out the entry (doesn't affect the uploaded stream)
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Please upload mixed playlists. We can legally play full albums under our current license.
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Hi JimH - the playlist uploaded was called Chill Out - it's a mixed playlist of 20 tracks - my attached screen clip in my last post was to show what happens to my local library listing in J River.
All the tracks in my local music collection are located on my network Z: drive but if you look at track 4 on my screenshot I now have an extra track 4 which is located on the jriver server (this is the track I uploaded as part on my mixed playlist (this happens for every track in the play list.
Easy enough to remove the entry from my library listing post upload but I don't think it should be happening
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Check the original playlist. The url must be in it.
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Check the original playlist. The url must be in it.
Capture7.png is my original playlist as created from files on my local library network (all located on Z: )
Capture8.png is the stream list as playing on cloudplay ( all located on the S3Amazon server)
I did have a glitch when I initially tried to upload the Chill Out play list to cloud but the second attempt worked perfectly . Perhaps that's a possible cause
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I've also attached the mpl that was saved to desktop. In that it has JRiver as the location - I wonder if it's the first upload failure that's generated both the .mpl file and the glitch in the local library
Update: can't attach the mpl so will paste the text from the mpl for the first track - as you can see (bold text) the location is given in the mpl as the jriver server
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8" standalone="yes" ?>
<MPL Version="2.0" Title="Chill Out" Group="Cloud" PathSeparator="\">
<Item>
<Field Name="Filename">http://RadioJRiver:0QIhGt1d3gAkvr5NSNXKVO2lGXDg7ieo+DIEL6a2Y7Rau7c1lAlOJGpNFcvLbhdOe0xmrJgOWe3VPHQSHyu2K6fs5NjIjCQFF0cGSuXsPT9HIBl0IFap0nsR6o99GCFXbqheWbemZtuEgXjtSINH0U8rIcn1dhcCdFBZYEnGGu4StbpjGqkEFtoN3YCMr2LnD3v6slNLNuBaF2KYFm0COwIKwSsH+pGQmG8jYMKuSHf+CxZhm3fB3CLsdMziz8gUEyT64pZinRqam48kINBW2xEehb7qUfzOkxVsghPbB8Y=</Field>
<Field Name="Media Type">Audio</Field>
<Field Name="Name">Building Steam With a Grain of Salt</Field>
<Field Name="Artist">DJ Shadow</Field>
<Field Name="Album">Endtroducing..... (DE) (flac)</Field>
<Field Name="Genre">Trip-Hop</Field>
<Field Name="Comment">ExactAudioCopy v0.95b3</Field>
<Field Name="Date">35065</Field>
<Field Name="Bitrate">775</Field>
<Field Name="Image File">INTERNAL</Field>
<Field Name="Duration">401.3999999999999773</Field>
<Field Name="Track #">2</Field>
<Field Name="Bookmark">25518</Field>
<Field Name="Date Imported">1536958493</Field>
<Field Name="Last Played">1554133837</Field>
<Field Name="Number Plays">2</Field>
<Field Name="Skip Count">2</Field>
<Field Name="Last Skipped">1554136148</Field>
<Field Name="Date First Rated">1536958493</Field>
<Field Name="File Type">flac</Field>
<Field Name="File Size">39265050</Field>
<Field Name="Date Created">1536958085</Field>
<Field Name="Date Modified">1536958085</Field>
<Field Name="Date Tagged">1554136147</Field>
<Field Name="Date Last Opened">1554136120</Field>
<Field Name="Compression">FLAC</Field>
<Field Name="Peak Level (R128)">-0.0 dBTP; -0.0 Left; -0.0 Right</Field>
<Field Name="Peak Level (Sample)">-0.1 dB; -0.1 Left; -0.1 Right</Field>
<Field Name="BPM">82</Field>
<Field Name="Volume Level (R128)">-12.3851804733276367</Field>
<Field Name="Volume Level (ReplayGain)">-7.3851799964904785</Field>
<Field Name="Dynamic Range (R128)">9.1552696228027344</Field>
<Field Name="Dynamic Range (DR)">7</Field>
<Field Name="Sample Rate">44100</Field>
<Field Name="Channels">2</Field>
<Field Name="Bit Depth">16</Field>
<Field Name="Audio Analysis Info"><XMLPH version="1.0">
<Item Name="LastFailedDate"/>
<Item Name="Excluded"/>
</XMLPH></Field>
<Field Name="Total Tracks">13</Field>
<Field Name="Zone Last Opened">Player</Field>
</Item>
<Item>
<Field
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Please upload mixed playlists. We can legally play full albums under our current license.
Do you mean can't play full albums. I have deleted any of my playlists that fall into that category.
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After the recent uploading problem my downloaded playlists went a bit ape - playing stuff quite at odds with what was supposed to be there. Restoring from a recent library backup and downloading the recent playlists seems to have restored normality. (Still can't believe that some tracks were playing bugs bunny cartoons!)
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Split two questions to a new thread on Cloudplay (https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,120167.0.html).