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Title: trying to add VST3 plug-in
Post by: citysoundman on January 09, 2022, 11:49:52 am

Hi All,
First time I'm trying to add a VST plug-in to the DSP page on my M1 Mac Mini Monterey OS. I have the latest EQ version of Fab Filter ProQ3, it's VST3 and it's M1 compatible.

So I install the VST and I see it in my DSP list, but when I try to select it nothing happens - I just see an empty dialog window that says 'Default Setting'. (see screenshot below)

What should happen - should the graphical interface pop up? Or does it only list the names of presets? I've never run a plug-in here so I don't know what to expect.

(https://imgur.com/6rn3ERz)

Title: Re: trying to add VST plug-in
Post by: citysoundman on January 09, 2022, 12:08:53 pm

After selecting Fab Filter on the left side menu, MC just crashes every time I open DSP window. I have to uninstall it. hmmmm

Title: Re: trying to add VST plug-in
Post by: Awesome Donkey on January 09, 2022, 02:10:09 pm

Make sure the VST plugin you're using is for Apple Silicon-based Macs and that you're natively running MC28 and not running it through Rosetta 2. Likewise if you're running MC28 in Rosetta 2, you'll need VST plugins for Intel-based Macs.

Title: Re: trying to add VST plug-in
Post by: citysoundman on January 09, 2022, 03:39:55 pm

Thanks for the reply. I double checked, the VST plug-in is for Silicon Macs. And I am running MC 28.0.96 as Apple native, not through Rosetta (Activity window shows 'Apple'). The plug-in works in Reaper.

I removed and re-installed the plug-in. (FYI it is VST3) Same problem - After installing it on the DSP page, when I click on the plug-in I get an immediate crash.

One thought I have - the JRiver wiki instructions say:
-Open DSP Studio
-Click Manage Plugins > Add JRiver, VST, Winamp Plug-in...
-Select the VST DLL from your filesystem

But I have a VST3 plug-in with file extension .vst, not .dll
Is this a problem?

There seem to be others getting hard crashes with VST3 plug-ins
https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,126706.50.html
 (https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,126706.50.html)

Title: Re: trying to add VST plug-in
Post by: bob on January 10, 2022, 10:39:41 am

Quote from: citysoundman on January 09, 2022, 03:39:55 pm

Thanks for the reply. I double checked, the VST plug-in is for Silicon Macs. And I am running MC 28.0.96 as Apple native, not through Rosetta (Activity window shows 'Apple'). The plug-in works in Reaper.

I removed and re-installed the plug-in. (FYI it is VST3) Same problem - After installing it on the DSP page, when I click on the plug-in I get an immediate crash.

One thought I have - the JRiver wiki instructions say:
-Open DSP Studio
-Click Manage Plugins > Add JRiver, VST, Winamp Plug-in...
-Select the VST DLL from your filesystem

But I have a VST3 plug-in with file extension .vst, not .dll
Is this a problem?

There seem to be others getting hard crashes with VST3 plug-ins
https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,126706.50.html
 (https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,126706.50.html)

That's an old thread for MC27, I wouldn't expect it to apply.

At any rate, I tested with other VST3 plugins and they work fine in both M1 and Intel.

I then tried installing this one in both Intel and M1 Macs and they both crash MC.
It appears the plugin is trying to find a resource that doesn't exist. From a quick search this seems to be part of some Fab plugin stuff.

The debugger reports this:

Code: [Select]

2022-01-10 10:47:58.046074-0600 Media Center 28[9891:69449] Entering AHRegisterHelpBookWithURL
2022-01-10 10:47:58.046115-0600 Media Center 28[9891:69449] CFBundleHelpBookFolder must be a string or array of strings.
2022-01-10 10:47:58.046150-0600 Media Center 28[9891:69449] Error in AHRegisterHelpBookWithURL: -50
2022-01-10 10:47:58.074993-0600 Media Center 28[9891:69449] Metal API Validation Enabled
Resource 'ButtonDialogNormal.png' not found
libc++abi: terminating with uncaught exception of type EResource: Resource not found
terminating with uncaught exception of type EResource: Resource not found
You probably should ask the developer why the plugin can't find it's resources.

Title: Re: trying to add VST3 plug-in
Post by: citysoundman on January 10, 2022, 11:51:01 am

Thanks so much Bob for testing the plug-in, much appreciated! Great to know the crash is not specific to my system. I'll try to reach out to Fab Filter about it.

Title: Re: trying to add VST3 plug-in
Post by: citysoundman on January 12, 2022, 05:30:09 pm

Support at Fab Filter said it's likely due to large buffers. Here's what they wrote:

I do not have any personal experience with JRiver, but we have seen some issues when using our plug-ins in some media players that offer VST3 support. In most cases this has to do with the larges buffers used by media players in comparison to DAWs. Does JRiver have the option to decrease the audio buffer? If so, does that make any difference? If not, could you send us a crash report?

I couldn't find a buffer size setting to change - is there any such thing?
I did send them my crash report.

Title: Re: trying to add VST3 plug-in
Post by: Matt on January 12, 2022, 05:46:20 pm

You can set the VST3 buffer size.  Search options.

Title: Re: trying to add VST3 plug-in
Post by: citysoundman on January 12, 2022, 05:55:42 pm

Thanks Matt I did find it, and changed it to the smallest setting (128) but I'm still crashing.

Title: Re: trying to add VST3 plug-in
Post by: JimH on January 12, 2022, 05:58:32 pm

Please let the developer know that we'll provide a license.  I'm jimh at jriver.

Title: Re: trying to add VST3 plug-in
Post by: citysoundman on January 12, 2022, 06:16:22 pm

Quote from: JimH on January 12, 2022, 05:58:32 pm

Please let the developer know that we'll provide a license.  I'm jimh at jriver.

OK will do!