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More => Music, Movies, Politics, and Other Cheap Thrills => Topic started by: syndromeofadown on March 06, 2013, 02:49:32 am
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I have compiled a list of my 24-bit music, along with details about it, for anyone interested.
All my albums are from 24 bit sources.
Rips are done with DVD Audio Extractor (DVDAE)
Sources include:
Digital downloads from band websites.
Digital downloads from HDtracks.
MLP ripped DVD-Audio
TrueHD, DTS-HD MA, and PCM ripped from BD
PCM and DTS ripped from DVD
All of the above are lossless except for DTS from DVD rips.
Anyways...here is the music
All my 2 Channel 24 bit audio
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s635/bucket__of__photos/24bit%20Audio/2ch_zps77e80837.jpg)
All my 6 Channel 24 bit audio
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s635/bucket__of__photos/24bit%20Audio/6ch_zps6e8103de.jpg)
Details:
--DVD-Audio--
MLP is ripped from the disc by DVDAE with anydvd disabled.
DTS and PCM can be ripped from hard disc folder using DVDAE but to this would be pointless.
I only show them for completeness.
If no 2ch audio is present DVDAE can convert 6ch to 2ch.
Beatles - love
MLP (96kHz 24bit 6ch)
DTS (48kHz 24bit 6ch)
Beck - Guero
MLP (48kHz 24bit 6ch) and MLP (48kHz 24bit 2ch)
Corrosion of Conformity - Live Volume
MLP (96kHz 24bit 6ch)
Corrosion of Conformity - America's Volume Dealer
MLP (96kHz 24bit 6ch)
Crystal Method - Legion Of Boom
MLP (48kHz 24bit 6ch) and MLP (48kHz 24bit 2ch)
PCM (48kHz 24bit 2ch) and DTS-ES (48kHz 24bit 7ch)
Disturbed - Believe
MLP (48kHz 24bit 6ch) and MLP (44.1kHz 24bit 2ch)
Everclear - So Much For The Afterglow
MLP (48kHz 24bit 6ch) redid 2 channel
DTS-ES (48kHz 24bit 7ch)
Gary Numan - Anthology
MLP (96kHz 24bit 6ch)
Insane Clown Posse - The Wrath OF Shangri-la
MLP (48kHz 24bit 6ch)
DTS-ES (48kHz 24bit 7ch)
Linkin Park - Reanimation (also at HDtracks)
MLP (48kHz 24bit 6ch) and MLP (44.1kHz 24bit 2ch)
Ministry - Animositisomina
MLP (96kHz 24bit 6ch)
Ministry - Sphinctour
MLP (96kHz 24bit 6ch)
Metallica - Black
MLP (96kHz 24bit 6ch) and MLP (96kHz 24bit 2ch)
Nine Inch Nails - With Teeth
MLP (48kHz 24bit 6ch) and MLP (96kHz 24bit 2ch)
Nine Inch Nails - The Downward Spiral
MLP (48kHz 24bit 6ch) and MLP (48kHz 24bit 2ch)
Outkast - Stankonia
MLP (96kHz 24bit 6ch) and MLP (48kHz 24bit 2ch)
Porcupine Tree - The Incident
MLP (48kHz 24bit 6ch) and MLP (96kHz 24bit 2ch)
PCM (48kHz 24bit 2ch) and DTS (48kHz 24bit 6ch)
Porcupine Tree - Lightbulb Sun
MLP (48kHz 24bit 6ch) and MLP (48kHz 24bit 2ch)
PCM (48kHz 24bit 2ch) and DTS (48kHz 24bit 6ch)
Porcupine Tree - Fear Of A Blank Planet
MLP (48kHz 24bit 6ch) and MLP (48kHz 24bit 2ch)
PCM (48kHz 24bit 2ch) and DTS (48kHz 24bit 6ch)
Porcupine Tree - Stupid Dream
MLP (48kHz 24bit 6ch)
PCM (48kHz 24bit 2ch) and DTS (48kHz 24bit 6ch)
REM - New Adventures In Hi-Fi
MLP (48kHz 24bit 6ch) and MLP (48kHz 24bit 2ch)
Snow Patrol - Final Straw
MLP (48kHz 24bit 6ch) and MLP (96kHz 24bit 2ch)
Steven Wilson - Insurgentes
MLP (48kHz 24bit 6ch) and MLP (48kHz 24bit 2ch)
PCM (48kHz 24bit 2ch) and DTS (48kHz 24bit 6ch)
Stone Temple Pilots - Core
MLP (96kHz 24bit 6ch) and MLP (48kHz 24bit 2ch)***The 2ch is corrupt
Yes - Fragile (also at HDtracks)
MLP (96kHz 24bit 6ch) and MLP (96kHz 24bit 2ch)
--BD (Non-video)--
After ripping to hard disc with anydvd DVDAE can be used.
At the moment DVDAE CANNOT rip DTS-HD MA at 96kHz.
Only the 48kHz core can be extracted.
If no 2ch audio is present DVDAE can convert 6ch to 2ch.
Nine Inch Nails - Ghosts
PCM (96kHz 24bit 2ch)
Steven Wilson - Grace For Drowning
PCM (96kHz 24bit 2ch) and DTS-HD MA (96kHz 24bit 6ch)
Storm Corrosion - Storm Corrosion
DTS-HD MA (96kHz 24bit 6ch) and PCM (96kHz 24bit 6ch) and PCM (96kHz 24bit 2ch)
Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross - Social Network OST
PCM (96kHz 24bit 6ch) and PCM (96kHz 24bit 2ch)
--BD (Video)--
After ripping to hard disc with anydvd DVDAE can be used
At the moment DVDAE CANNOT rip DTS-HD MA at 96kHz.
Only the 48kHz core can be extracted
If no 2ch audio is present DVDAE can convert 6ch to 2ch.
Nine Inch Nails - Beside You In Time
TrueHD (48kHz 24bit 6ch)
Porcupine Tree - Anesthetize
PCM (48kHz 24bit 2ch) and DTS-HD MA (48kHz 24bit 6ch)
Steven Wilson - Get All You Deserve
PCM (96kHz 24bit 2ch) and DTS-HD MA (96kHz 24bit 6ch)
--DVD (Video)--
Puscifer - Queen B Video Single
PCM (48kHz 24bit 2ch)
Blackfield - Live In New York City
PCM (48kHz 24bit 2ch) and DTS (48kHz 24bit 6ch)*DTS is lossy
--HDtracks--
Black Keys - Tour Rehearsal Tapes
(44.1kHz 24bit 2ch)
Deftones - Koi No Yokan
(96kHz 24bit 2ch)
Linkin Park - Minutes To Midnight
(48kHz 24bit 2ch)
Linkin Park - A Thousand Suns
(48kHz 24bit 2ch)
Linkin Park - Living Things
(44.1kHz 24bit 2ch)
Mumford And Sons - Babel
(44.1kHz 24bit 2ch)
Nirvana - Nevermind
(96kHz 24bit 2ch)
--USB Keys--
The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo OST on razorblade necklace
(96kHz 24bit 2ch) - not available at nullco website
featuring:
-Karen O with Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross
-Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross
-How To Destroy Angels
Beatles - All Albums on green aluminium apple
(44.1kHz 24bit 2ch)
--Digital Downloads--
How To Destroy Angels - How To Destroy Angels
(44.1kHz 24bit 2ch) - From HTDA website
How To Destroy Angels - Welcome Oblivion
(96kHz 24bit 2ch) - From HTDA website
Nine Inch Nails - The Slip
(96kHz 24bit 2ch) - From NIN website
Muse - The 2nd Law
(96kHz 24bit 2ch) - From Muse website (also at HDtracks)
Porcupine Tree - Atlanta
(44.1kHz 24bit 2ch) - From Porcupine Tree website
SONOIO - Red Demos
(44.1kHz 24bit 2ch) - From SONOIO website
Smashing Pumpkins - Gish
(96kHz 24bit 2ch) - From Smashing Pumpkins website
Smashing Pumpkins - Mellon Collie And The Infinite Sadness
(96kHz 24bit 2ch) - From Smashing Pumpkins website
Smashing Pumpkins - Oceania
(96kHz 24bit 2ch) - From Smashing Pumpkins website
Smashing Pumpkins - Pisces Iscariot
(44.1kHz 24bit 2ch) - From Smashing Pumpkins website
Smashing Pumpkins - Siamese Dream
(96kHz 24bit 2ch) - From Smashing Pumpkins website
--Other noteworthy releases--
I have purchased the following and will post details after ripping:
Pearl Jam - Twenty BD
Steven Wilson - Raven That Refused To Sing BD
Difficult to find DVD-Audio:
Porcupine Tree - Deadwing
Beck - Sea Change
Most of REM's albums are available on DVD-Audio and at HDtracks
The sole purpose of this post is to help people find 24 bit music.
This is not the place to debate the benefits of 24 bit audio.
I have not included HDCD's or SACD's in my list but I'm not apposed to them.
This is not the place to debate the benefits of HDCD's or SACD's
Please share other HD albums you know of that could be considered part of the “not old” genre.
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Re: 24-bit Audio For People That Aren't Old
Please share other HD albums you know of that could be considered part of the “not old” genre.
I don't get it ... subject seems to suggest young people, but the message speaks of 'genre', but you list beatles and Yes, which I would consider 'old' ... but what does it matter?
I'm not criticizing or anything, just wondering what you mean with that exactly.
I'm finding some nice suggestions in your list whch I will consider so, thanks for posting even if you consider me or my choice of music 'old' :P.
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Maybe I should have said "not too old" because I'm not really all that young.
The Yes album is included because Fragile was ahead of their time.
The Beatles Love album is included because its a modern remix of their music.
The Beatles USB apple is included because the Beatles are for all ages.
The "not old" thing is mostly a joke.
Maybe "24 bit Audio From Grunge/Alternative/Heavy Metal/90's Genres Generally Speaking" would have been more appropriate.
I own 53 hi res albums and they are all i can find in my taste of music. They were very difficult to find.
But there are thousands of hi res albums available.
Why don't i have interest in:
Tchaikovsky: Piano Trio, Cyndi Lauper, Rod Stewart, Chicago, Bournemouth Symphony Orchestra, Barbra Streisand.
Because I don't listen to classical music and I wasn't alive when most this music was popular.
ie. I'm not old.
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The music that was around when you were not alive, is the music that your favorite artists listened to, which inspired them to make their music.
Often they can't quite match the music that inspired them.
By limiting yourself to the above styles, you are limiting your own opportunity for enjoyment, and making your music taste into a sports team that you support ("Go Team!").
Some suggestions off the top of my head from dead guys:
The Doors
Miles Davis
John Coltrane
Mahavishnu Orchestra
King Crimson
PS I also like NiN and I don't like any of the artists in your "don't have interest in" list...
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Thanks
By limiting yourself to the above styles, you are limiting your own opportunity for enjoyment
My list may be limited but my collection is not. I have the entire Doors collection as well as King Crimson.
I have one Miles Davis CD. I don't have any John Coltrane or Mahavishnu Orchestra but will look into them.
I have some 24 bit Tom Petty, Pink Floyd, and Rolling Stones but didn't include them in my list because they conflicted with the theme.
I don't listen to the Doors enough to justify upgrading to 24 bit. I would consider getting Strange Days.
Same goes for King Crimson. They a few DVD-Audio in case you are interested.
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Here is the info for
Pearl Jam Twenty (3-Disc Deluxe Edition Blu-ray) (2012)
I found a track list here
http://www.pearljamonline.it/pj20movie.htm (http://www.pearljamonline.it/pj20movie.htm)
Title and chapter numbers are as shown in DVDAE
Duration is in mss format with no colon
Disc 2 - The Kids Are Twenty
DurationTitle and Chapter #s Title Content Chapter Name Audio Format
129 Title2 - Chapter 01 Intro - Seattle, 1990 Music The Kids Are Twenty PCM (48kHz 24bit 2ch), PCM (48kHz 24bit 6ch), AC3 (48kHz 6ch)
442 Title2 - Chapter 02 Alive 1990 Music The Kids Are Twenty PCM (48kHz 24bit 2ch), PCM (48kHz 24bit 6ch), AC3 (48kHz 6ch)
443 Title2 - Chapter 03 Release Music The Kids Are Twenty PCM (48kHz 24bit 2ch), PCM (48kHz 24bit 6ch), AC3 (48kHz 6ch)
348 Title2 - Chapter 04 Why Go Music The Kids Are Twenty PCM (48kHz 24bit 2ch), PCM (48kHz 24bit 6ch), AC3 (48kHz 6ch)
27 Title2 - Chapter 05 No Compromise Music The Kids Are Twenty PCM (48kHz 24bit 2ch), PCM (48kHz 24bit 6ch), AC3 (48kHz 6ch)
603 Title2 - Chapter 06 Garden Music The Kids Are Twenty PCM (48kHz 24bit 2ch), PCM (48kHz 24bit 6ch), AC3 (48kHz 6ch)
435 Title2 - Chapter 07 Brother (Daughter) Music The Kids Are Twenty PCM (48kHz 24bit 2ch), PCM (48kHz 24bit 6ch), AC3 (48kHz 6ch)
30 Title2 - Chapter 08 Slower Tracks Music The Kids Are Twenty PCM (48kHz 24bit 2ch), PCM (48kHz 24bit 6ch), AC3 (48kHz 6ch)
311 Title2 - Chapter 09 Blood Music The Kids Are Twenty PCM (48kHz 24bit 2ch), PCM (48kHz 24bit 6ch), AC3 (48kHz 6ch)
511 Title2 - Chapter 10 Indifference Music The Kids Are Twenty PCM (48kHz 24bit 2ch), PCM (48kHz 24bit 6ch), AC3 (48kHz 6ch)
159 Title2 - Chapter 11 Aye Davanita Music The Kids Are Twenty PCM (48kHz 24bit 2ch), PCM (48kHz 24bit 6ch), AC3 (48kHz 6ch)
309 Title2 - Chapter 12 Last Exit Music The Kids Are Twenty PCM (48kHz 24bit 2ch), PCM (48kHz 24bit 6ch), AC3 (48kHz 6ch)
23 Title2 - Chapter 13 Band Name Music The Kids Are Twenty PCM (48kHz 24bit 2ch), PCM (48kHz 24bit 6ch), AC3 (48kHz 6ch)
611 Title2 - Chapter 14 Rockin' In The Free World Music The Kids Are Twenty PCM (48kHz 24bit 2ch), PCM (48kHz 24bit 6ch), AC3 (48kHz 6ch)
44 Title2 - Chapter 15 Evil Little Goat Music The Kids Are Twenty PCM (48kHz 24bit 2ch), PCM (48kHz 24bit 6ch), AC3 (48kHz 6ch)
628 Title2 - Chapter 16 Not For You Music The Kids Are Twenty PCM (48kHz 24bit 2ch), PCM (48kHz 24bit 6ch), AC3 (48kHz 6ch)
31 Title2 - Chapter 17 I Don't Relate To You Anymore Music The Kids Are Twenty PCM (48kHz 24bit 2ch), PCM (48kHz 24bit 6ch), AC3 (48kHz 6ch)
342 Title2 - Chapter 18 Do The Evolution Music The Kids Are Twenty PCM (48kHz 24bit 2ch), PCM (48kHz 24bit 6ch), AC3 (48kHz 6ch)
19 Title2 - Chapter 19 Hidden Track Music The Kids Are Twenty PCM (48kHz 24bit 2ch), PCM (48kHz 24bit 6ch), AC3 (48kHz 6ch)
418 Title2 - Chapter 20 Thumbing My way Music The Kids Are Twenty PCM (48kHz 24bit 2ch), PCM (48kHz 24bit 6ch), AC3 (48kHz 6ch)
301 Title2 - Chapter 21 Given To Fly Music The Kids Are Twenty PCM (48kHz 24bit 2ch), PCM (48kHz 24bit 6ch), AC3 (48kHz 6ch)
26 Title2 - Chapter 22 Identify Yourselves Music The Kids Are Twenty PCM (48kHz 24bit 2ch), PCM (48kHz 24bit 6ch), AC3 (48kHz 6ch)
531 Title2 - Chapter 23 Nothing As It seems Music The Kids Are Twenty PCM (48kHz 24bit 2ch), PCM (48kHz 24bit 6ch), AC3 (48kHz 6ch)
633 Title2 - Chapter 24 Crown Of Thorns Music The Kids Are Twenty PCM (48kHz 24bit 2ch), PCM (48kHz 24bit 6ch), AC3 (48kHz 6ch)
27 Title2 - Chapter 25 You Got That Footage? Music The Kids Are Twenty PCM (48kHz 24bit 2ch), PCM (48kHz 24bit 6ch), AC3 (48kHz 6ch)
538 Title2 - Chapter 26 Bu$hleaguer Music The Kids Are Twenty PCM (48kHz 24bit 2ch), PCM (48kHz 24bit 6ch), AC3 (48kHz 6ch)
426 Title2 - Chapter 27 Faithful Music The Kids Are Twenty PCM (48kHz 24bit 2ch), PCM (48kHz 24bit 6ch), AC3 (48kHz 6ch)
213 Title2 - Chapter 28 Let Me Sleep Music The Kids Are Twenty PCM (48kHz 24bit 2ch), PCM (48kHz 24bit 6ch), AC3 (48kHz 6ch)
41 Title2 - Chapter 29 Revolutionary Music The Kids Are Twenty PCM (48kHz 24bit 2ch), PCM (48kHz 24bit 6ch), AC3 (48kHz 6ch)
639 Title2 - Chapter 30 Better Man Music The Kids Are Twenty PCM (48kHz 24bit 2ch), PCM (48kHz 24bit 6ch), AC3 (48kHz 6ch)
610 Title2 - Chapter 31 Alive 2009 Music The Kids Are Twenty PCM (48kHz 24bit 2ch), PCM (48kHz 24bit 6ch), AC3 (48kHz 6ch)
411 Title2 - Chapter 32 Walk With Me Music The Kids Are Twenty PCM (48kHz 24bit 2ch), PCM (48kHz 24bit 6ch), AC3 (48kHz 6ch)
246 Title2 - Chapter 33 Gonna See My Friend Music The Kids Are Twenty PCM (48kHz 24bit 2ch), PCM (48kHz 24bit 6ch), AC3 (48kHz 6ch)
24 Title2 - Chapter 34 3D Chess Music The Kids Are Twenty PCM (48kHz 24bit 2ch), PCM (48kHz 24bit 6ch), AC3 (48kHz 6ch)
1214 Title2 - Chapter 35 Credits - Just Breathe / Of The Earth [Hidden] Music The Kids Are Twenty PCM (48kHz 24bit 2ch), PCM (48kHz 24bit 6ch), AC3 (48kHz 6ch)
412 Title3 - Chapter 01 Same as Title6 - Chapter 01 Useless Not Important Not Important
315 Title4 - Chapter 01 Same as Title7 - Chapter 01 Useless Not Important Not Important
658 Title5 - Chapter 01 Same as Title8 - Chapter 01 Useless Not Important Not Important
412 Title6 - Chapter 01 "Del Mar" Porch Dialog Bonus Not Important
314 Title7 - Chapter 01 Shadow (Clips & interviews of Mike's former band) Dialog Bonus Not Important
657 Title8 - Chapter 01 "Even Flow" Fan Tackle Music Bonus PCM (48kHz 24bit 2ch)
15 Title9 - Chapter 01 Junk Useless Not Important Not Important
10 Title10 - Chapter 01 Junk Useless Not Important Not Important
5 Title11 - Chapter 01 Junk Useless Not Important Not Important
21 Title12 - Chapter 01 Junk Useless Not Important Not Important
59 Title13 - Chapter 01 Junk Useless Not Important Not Important
Disc 3 - The Fans Are Alright
DurationTitle and Chapter #s Title Content Chapter Name Audio Format
15 Title1 - Chapter 01 Junk Useless Not Important Not Important
10 Title2 - Chapter 01 Junk Useless Not Important Not Important
5 Title3 - Chapter 01 Junk Useless Not Important Not Important
22 Title4 - Chapter 01 Junk Useless Not Important Not Important
1707 Title5 - Chapter 01 Title 11 without chapters Useless Not Important Not Important
3800 Title6 - Chapter 01 Title 12 without chapters Useless Not Important Not Important
528 Title7 - Chapter 01 Title 13 without chapters Useless Not Important Not Important
1508 Title8 - Chapter 01 Title 14 without chapters Useless Not Important Not Important
440 Title9 - Chapter 01 Title 15 without chapters Useless Not Important Not Important
507 Title10 - Chapter 01 Title 16 without chapters Useless Not Important Not Important
249 Title11 - Chapter 01 Same as Title17 - Chapter 01 Useless Not Important Not Important
354 Title11 - Chapter 02 Same as Title17 - Chapter 02 Useless Not Important Not Important
333 Title11 - Chapter 03 Same as Title17 - Chapter 03 Useless Not Important Not Important
255 Title11 - Chapter 04 Same as Title17 - Chapter 04 Useless Not Important Not Important
314 Title11 - Chapter 05 Same as Title17 - Chapter 05 Useless Not Important Not Important
39 Title11 - Chapter 06 Same as Title17 - Chapter 06 Useless Not Important Not Important
103 Title12 - Chapter 01 Same as Title17 - Chapter 07 Useless Not Important Not Important
330 Title12 - Chapter 02 Same as Title17 - Chapter 08 Useless Not Important Not Important
300 Title12 - Chapter 03 Same as Title17 - Chapter 09 Useless Not Important Not Important
535 Title12 - Chapter 04 Same as Title17 - Chapter 10 Useless Not Important Not Important
235 Title12 - Chapter 05 Same as Title17 - Chapter 11 Useless Not Important Not Important
526 Title12 - Chapter 06 Same as Title17 - Chapter 12 Useless Not Important Not Important
113 Title12 - Chapter 07 Same as Title17 - Chapter 13 Useless Not Important Not Important
526 Title12 - Chapter 08 Same as Title17 - Chapter 14 Useless Not Important Not Important
813 Title12 - Chapter 09 Same as Title17 - Chapter 15 Useless Not Important Not Important
157 Title12 - Chapter 10 Same as Title17 - Chapter 16 Useless Not Important Not Important
527 Title13 - Chapter 01 Same as Title17 - Chapter 17 Useless Not Important Not Important
536 Title14 - Chapter 01 Same as Title17 - Chapter 18 Useless Not Important Not Important
932 Title14 - Chapter 02 Same as Title17 - Chapter 19 Useless Not Important Not Important
439 Title15 - Chapter 01 Same as Title17 - Chapter 20 Useless Not Important Not Important
509 Title16 - Chapter 01 Hunger Strike (Lollapalooza Side Stage Phoenix, Sept 8, 1992) Music Easter Egg PCM (48kHz 24bit 2ch)
249 Title17 - Chapter 01 Small Town (10/06/2009 e 08/18/2009) Dialog Fans On The Band (Ten Club) Not Important
354 Title17 - Chapter 02 Smile (08/17/2009) Dialog Fans On The Band (Ten Club) Not Important
333 Title17 - Chapter 03 Given To Fly (09/20/2006) Dialog Fans On The Band (Ten Club) Not Important
255 Title17 - Chapter 04 Brain Of J (01/31/1998) Dialog Fans On The Band (Ten Club) Not Important
314 Title17 - Chapter 05 In My Tree (11/25/2009) Dialog Fans On The Band (Ten Club) Not Important
40 Title17 - Chapter 06 Gonna See My Freind (Rough Studio Version, 02/15/2009) Dialog Fans On The Band (Ten Club) Not Important
103 Title17 - Chapter 07 Animal (08/18/2009) Dialog Fandom - A Statistical Analysis Not Important
330 Title17 - Chapter 08 Rearviewmirror (09/19/2006) Music Fandom - A Statistical Analysis PCM (48kHz 24bit 2ch)
300 Title17 - Chapter 09 Sometimes (08/11/2009) Dialog Fandom - A Statistical Analysis Not Important
535 Title17 - Chapter 10 Corduroy (09/20/2006) Dialog Fandom - A Statistical Analysis Not Important
235 Title17 - Chapter 11 Bugs (10/31/2009) Dialog Fandom - A Statistical Analysis Not Important
526 Title17 - Chapter 12 Even Flow (09/20/2006) Dialog Fandom - A Statistical Analysis Not Important
113 Title17 - Chapter 13 Black (07/10/2010) Dialog Fandom - A Statistical Analysis Not Important
526 Title17 - Chapter 14 Daughter (08/03/2000) Dialog Fandom - A Statistical Analysis Not Important
813 Title17 - Chapter 15 Yellow Ledbetter / The Star-Spangled Banner (10/31/2009) Music Fandom - A Statistical Analysis PCM (48kHz 24bit 2ch)
155 Title17 - Chapter 16 Bee Girl (10/18/1993) Music Fandom - A Statistical Analysis PCM (48kHz 24bit 2ch)
528 Title17 - Chapter 17 Hard To Imagine - Hard To Imagine (06/14/2008) Dialog "Hard To Imagine" Not Important
536 Title17 - Chapter 18 Present Tense (12/03/2005) Dialog South America 2005 Not Important
932 Title17 - Chapter 19 Black (11/26/2005) Music South America 2006 PCM (48kHz 24bit 2ch)
439 Title17 - Chapter 20 Breath & A Scream (09/26/1992) Dialog "Last Show Of Ten Tour, Hawaii" Not Important
59 Title18 - Chapter 01 Junk Useless Not Important Not Important
10 Title19 - Chapter 01 Junk Useless Not Important Not Important
There is no 24 bit "audio only" tracks on disc 1 but i will post it anyways below.
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Pearl Jam Twenty (3-Disc Deluxe Edition Blu-ray) (2012)
Disc 1
Disc 1 - Twenty
DurationTitle and Chapter #s Title Content Chapter Name Audio Format
508 Title2 - Chapter 01 Seattle, 1989 Dialog Twenty Not Important
633 Title2 - Chapter 02 His Name Was Andy Wood - Stardog Champion Dialog Twenty Not Important
413 Title2 - Chapter 03 Lightning Strikes Twice - Times Of Trouble / Footsteps Dialog Twenty Not Important
241 Title2 - Chapter 04 The Sixth Day - Alive Dialog Twenty Not Important
328 Title2 - Chapter 05 We Were Strangers - Release Dialog Twenty Not Important
426 Title2 - Chapter 06 Sense Of Community - Reach Down / Hunger Strike Dialog Twenty Not Important
502 Title2 - Chapter 07 Mookie Knows We're Changing The Name - Breath And A.... Dialog Twenty Not Important
249 Title2 - Chapter 08 The First Unplugged - Garden / Jeremy / Porch / Black Dialog Twenty Not Important
226 Title2 - Chapter 09 Lollapalloza - Baba O'riley Dialog Twenty Not Important
243 Title2 - Chapter 10 Conceptual Video - Jeremy Dialog Twenty Not Important
454 Title2 - Chapter 11 We're Used To Playing Clubs - Even Flow / Porch Dialog Twenty Not Important
216 Title2 - Chapter 12 Daughter On The Bus - Brother (Daughter) Dialog Twenty Not Important
310 Title2 - Chapter 13 The Birth Of No - State Of Love And Trust Dialog Twenty Not Important
348 Title2 - Chapter 14 Let's Keep Things Rolling Tab - Overblown Dialog Twenty Not Important
333 Title2 - Chapter 15 Fucking Circus - Blood Dialog Twenty Not Important
351 Title2 - Chapter 16 Don't Hurt Me - Indifference Dialog Twenty Not Important
355 Title2 - Chapter 17 Faceless - Last Exit Dialog Twenty Not Important
216 Title2 - Chapter 18 Uncle Neil - Rockin' In The Free World Dialog Twenty Not Important
641 Title2 - Chapter 19 The Powers That Be - Spin The Black Circle / Not For You Dialog Twenty Not Important
511 Title2 - Chapter 20 Something In The Basement - Do The Evolution Dialog Twenty Not Important
351 Title2 - Chapter 21 Big Sandy - Thumbing My Way Dialog Twenty Not Important
242 Title2 - Chapter 22 In Touch With The Good Stuff - Nothing As It Seems Dialog Twenty Not Important
359 Title2 - Chapter 23 "Great Look, Good Drummer / Binaural - Of The Girl" Dialog Twenty Not Important
219 Title2 - Chapter 24 Roskilde - Inside Job Dialog Twenty Not Important
514 Title2 - Chapter 25 The Beginning Of What - Crown Of Thorns Dialog Twenty Not Important
219 Title2 - Chapter 26 It's Okay To Get Boo'ed - Bu$hleaguer Dialog Twenty Not Important
210 Title2 - Chapter 27 Dependable Unpredictable - Faithfull Dialog Twenty Not Important
145 Title2 - Chapter 28 Influences - The Seeker Dialog Twenty Not Important
150 Title2 - Chapter 29 Pure Stoke - Let Me Sleep Dialog Twenty Not Important
136 Title2 - Chapter 30 Communal Exchange - Better Man Dialog Twenty Not Important
612 Title2 - Chapter 31 It's Different Every Night - Alive Dialog Twenty Not Important
559 Title2 - Chapter 32 Credits - Walk With Me / Just Breathe Dialog Twenty Not Important
449 Title3 - Chapter 01 Mike Mccready Writing 'faithfull' Dialog Twenty Not Important
342 Title4 - Chapter 01 Jeff Ament In Montana Dialog Twenty Not Important
506 Title5 - Chapter 01 Stone Gossard Seattle Driving Tour Dialog Twenty Not Important
242 Title6 - Chapter 01 Boom Gaspar Joins The Band Dialog Twenty Not Important
900 Title7 - Chapter 01 Eddie Vedder House Tour Dialog Twenty Not Important
237 Title8 - Chapter 01 Matt Cameron Writing 'the Fixer' Dialog Twenty Not Important
124 Title9 - Chapter 01 No Anything Dialog Twenty Not Important
736 Title10 - Chapter 01 Same as Title18 - Chapter 01 Dialog Useless Not Important
448 Title11 - Chapter 01 Mike McCready writing “Faithful” Dialog Bonus Not Important
341 Title12 - Chapter 01 Jeff Ament in Montana Dialog Bonus Not Important
505 Title13 - Chapter 01 Stone Gossard Seattle Driving Tour Dialog Bonus Not Important
241 Title14 - Chapter 01 Boom Gaspar Joins the Band Dialog Bonus Not Important
859 Title15 - Chapter 01 Eddie Vedder House Tour Dialog Bonus Not Important
236 Title16 - Chapter 01 Matt Cammeron writing “The Fixer” Dialog Bonus Not Important
123 Title17 - Chapter 01 “No Anything” (Performance Montage) Dialog Bonus Not Important
735 Title18 - Chapter 01 “Come Back” Music Bonus 16 bit
109 Title19 - Chapter 01 Mike McCready's playful fascination with Mr. Potato Head toys Dialog Easter Egg Not Important
105 Title20 - Chapter 01 Jeff Ament talking about busting the balls of a guy.... Dialog Easter Egg Not Important
108 Title21 - Chapter 01 Same As Title19 - Chapter 01 Useless Not Important Not Important
104 Title22 - Chapter 01 Same As Title20 - Chapter 01 Useless Not Important Not Important
15 Title23 - Chapter 01 Junk Useless Not Important Not Important
10 Title24 - Chapter 01 Junk Useless Not Important Not Important
5 Title25 - Chapter 01 Junk Useless Not Important Not Important
21 Title26 - Chapter 01 Junk Useless Not Important Not Important
30 Title27 - Chapter 01 Junk Useless Not Important Not Important
23 Title28 - Chapter 01 Junk Useless Not Important Not Important
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Maybe I should have said "not too old" because I'm not really all that young.
I represent that "too old" remark!
Regardless, I think it's cool that you are sharing your collection, even if little of it is of interest to this old f**t.
Cheers,
Rod
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More 24bit audio
I have just ordered:
Primus - Sailing the Seas of Cheese re-release
It apparently has:
On Blu-Ray: Dolby TrueHD 5.1 (96kHz/24-bit), PCM (96kHz/24-bit), PCM Stereo (96kHz/24-bit)
On DVD: Dolby Digital 5.1 (48kHz/24-bit), Dolby Digital Stereo (48kHz/24-bit), DTS 5.1 Surround (48kHz/24-bit).
Its also available at HD tracks at (96kHz 24bit 2ch)
More from HD Tracks:
Daft Punk - Random Access Memories
(88kHz 24bit 2ch)
David Bowie - The Next Day
(48kHz 24bit 2ch)
Red Hot Chili Peppers - Mother's Milk
(192kHz 24bit 2ch) and (96kHz 24bit 2ch)
Red Hot Chili Peppers - Freaky Styley
(192kHz 24bit 2ch) and (96kHz 24bit 2ch)
Red Hot Chili Peppers - The Uplift Mofo Party Plan
(192kHz 24bit 2ch) and (96kHz 24bit 2ch)
Red Hot Chili Peppers - Red Hot Chili Peppers
(192kHz 24bit 2ch) and (96kHz 24bit 2ch)
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Nice collection.
So what are peeps views on this HD audio?
I thought that half of these albums are from masters that already had their dynamic range shrunk and the other half are from sources that where not 192k/24bit throughout their processing (or some classical pieces that have a high noise floor).
I also thought that in DBX tests that the final post-processed audio was hit and miss whether the HD audio wins over the 44.1/48k 16bit of old and that in many cases the hardest part of the test was ensuring the loundness of the test tracks was identical.
[multi-channel audio is a different matter of course, and that is a welcome addition to the listening experience]
So are you guys resampling your own music or playing DJ? Otherwise I would have thought that spending on speakers, power amps and room acoustics is the safer route to better music.
That and trying to lobby the industry stop compressing the dynamic range recent releases...
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The new Nine Inch Nails album called Hesitation Marks is available for pre-order from NIN.com
Website states its available in:
MP3
FLAC lossless
Apple lossless
High Resolution 24 bit 48k wav
Upon pre-ordering you get the first single: Came Back Haunted.
I downloaded the FLAC and wav and both are 24bit.
As always you get to download the album/tracks in multiple formats.
ie. you can download the music 4 times in 4 different formats for no extra cost.
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The Beatles USB apple is included because the Beatles are for all ages.
Nope dont like them, never have, discover the Blues and all other music is weak and thin......
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Trent Reznor IS old (now), as are the Peppers and every other artist listed in this thread. David Bowie is very old. :)
Music for "people that aren't old" is called "Dubstep".
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Ouch, well I'm 8 years older than Trent Reznor, so I guess I'm ancient :'( At least they don't give me a wheelchair at the Pichfork festival every year ... euh yet. How old is Dave Grohl, btw?
I have every artist you've posted in my collection (oops no Snow Patrol) -- even though I consider Steven Wilson/Porcupine neo-prog which to me is old (-hat) :P The "not old" thing is mostly a joke.
Maybe "24 bit Audio From Grunge/Alternative/Heavy Metal/90's Genres Generally Speaking" would have been more appropriate.
Yeah I took it that way :) .... Imagine having to listen to Barbra Streisand or Herb Alpert and the Tijuana Brass all day long when you turn 50!
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More from HDtracks
Joy Division - Closer
(192kHz 24bit 2ch) and (96kHz 24bit 2ch)
Joy Division - Unknown Pleasures
(192kHz 24bit 2ch) and (96kHz 24bit 2ch)
Ministry - Twitch
(192kHz 24bit 2ch) and (96kHz 24bit 2ch)
Pantera - Cowboys From Hell
(44.1kHz 24bit 2ch)
Jane's Addiction - Live In NYC
(48kHz 24bit 2ch)
Depeche Mode - Delta Machine
(44.1kHz 24bit 2ch)
Depeche Mode - Black Celebration
(44.1kHz 24bit 2ch)
Depeche Mode - A Broken Frame
(192kHz 24bit 2ch) and (96kHz 24bit 2ch)
Depeche Mode - Speak & Spell
(192kHz 24bit 2ch) and (96kHz 24bit 2ch)
I have already listed a few of the following:
Linkin Park - Living Things
(44.1kHz 24bit 2ch)
Linkin Park - Minutes to Midnight
(48kHz 24bit 2ch)
Linkin Park - A Thousand Suns
(48kHz 24bit 2ch)
Linkin Park - Hybrid Theory
(48kHz 24bit 2ch)
Linkin Park - Meteora
(48kHz 24bit 2ch)
Linkin Park - Reanimation
(44.1kHz 24bit 2ch)
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Universal has released two waves of “High Fidelity Pure Audio” Bluray-Audio albums.
The majority of the albums predate the 90s. Three that pertain to this thread are the following:
Nirvana – In Utero
DTS-HD MA (96kHz 24bit 2ch) and PCM (96kHz 24bit 2ch) and TrueHD (96kHz 24bit 2ch)
Nirvana – Nevermind
DTS-HD MA (96kHz 24bit 2ch) and PCM (96kHz 24bit 2ch) and TrueHD (96kHz 24bit 2ch)
Beck – Sea Change
DTS-HD MA (192kHz 24bit 2ch) and PCM (192kHz 24bit 2ch) and TrueHD (192kHz 24bit 2ch) and
DTS-HD MA (192kHz 24bit 6ch) and PCM (192kHz 24bit 6ch) and TrueHD (192kHz 24bit 6ch)
I can confirm the audio specs are correct for In Utero but will have to wait to confirm
the other two until they arrive in the mail.
I noted Beck’s Sea Change in my first post as a “Difficult to find” DVD-Audio, so
it’s great that it’s readily available again, and it’s even at a higher sample rate
than previously. Not so great for the people trying to sell used copies for between 75 and 200 dollars.
The Nirvana albums aren’t all that exiting. Firstly because there isn’t a 5.1 mix.
Secondly because Kurt’s voice so raspy/crackly that I laugh continually while listening to Nirvana.
Thirdly because the albums are available at HD Tracks at the same quality, but in “Deluxe”, and
“Super Deluxe” editions. I’m not sure how the price compares because HD Tracks won’t tell me the prices anymore.
I’m in Canada and we typically aren’t allowed to buy digital downloads. I bought the blurays all for less than 20 dollars each so they’re likely similarly priced.
Hopefully this format does a little better than SACD and DVD-Audio.
New music would be nice though, instead of just putting existing Hi-Res albums on a different type of disc.
I have a stack of DVD-A and BD discs that I'm sorting through at the moment so I'll post more titles soon.
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Two new live DVD's with 24bit 48kHz 2 channel Audio.
Both are amazing. Definitely in my top favorite music DVD's and HD audio.
They have 6 channel AC3 too.
A Perfect Circle - Stone And Echo
Title/Chapter Duration Track # Name
Title1 - Chapter 01 1:22 Intro
Title1 - Chapter 02 2:28 1 Annihilation (Crucifix Cover)
Title1 - Chapter 03 4:56 2 Imagine (John Lennon Cover)
Title1 - Chapter 04 3:19 3 Weak & Powerless
Title1 - Chapter 05 3:03 4 Hollow
Title1 - Chapter 06 3:43 5 Rose
Title1 - Chapter 07 5:08 6 Blue
Title1 - Chapter 08 4:55 7 Whats Goin On (Marvin Gaye Cover)
Title1 - Chapter 09 3:55 8 People Are People (Depeche Mode Cover)
Title1 - Chapter 10 4:22 9 Outsider
Title1 - Chapter 11 4:47 10 (What's So Funny 'bout) Peace Love & Understanding (Nick Lowe Cover)
Title1 - Chapter 12 6:31 11 When The Levee Breaks (Memphis Minnie & Kansas Joe Mccoy Cover)
Title1 - Chapter 13 5:21 12 Noose
Title1 - Chapter 14 6:29 13 3 Libras
Title1 - Chapter 15 8:15 14 The Package
Title1 - Chapter 16 3:39 15 Gimme, Gimme, Gimme (Black Flag Cover)
Title1 - Chapter 17 5:49 16 Orestes
Title1 - Chapter 18 5:38 17 Passive
Title1 - Chapter 19 6:01 18 Counting Bodies Like Sheep To The Rhythm Of The War Drums
Title1 - Chapter 20 3:24 19 The Fiddle & The Drum (Joni Mitchell Cover)
Title1 - Chapter 21 5:40 20 By & Down
Title1 - Chapter 22 0:59 Credits
Puscifer - What Is...
Title/Chapter Duration Track # Name
Title1 - Chapter 01 9:36 Dialog
Title1 - Chapter 02 4:46 1 The Green Valley
Title1 - Chapter 03 4:49 2 Tiny Monsters
Title1 - Chapter 04 5:12 3 ****** Mine
Title1 - Chapter 05 4:03 4 Dozo
Title1 - Chapter 06 4:32 5 Toma
Title1 - Chapter 07 7:05 6 The Rapture
Title1 - Chapter 08 4:46 7 The Weaver
Title1 - Chapter 09 5:57 8 Rev 20:20
Title1 - Chapter 10 6:38 9 Momma Sed
Title1 - Chapter 11 4:37 10 Oceans
Title1 - Chapter 12 5:23 11 Monsoons
Title1 - Chapter 13 4:35 12 Horizons
Title1 - Chapter 14 2:54 13 Conditions Of My Parole
Title1 - Chapter 15 4:23 14 Man Overboard
Title1 - Chapter 16 4:51 15 Telling Ghosts
Title1 - Chapter 17 3:44 16 Undertaker
Title1 - Chapter 18 6:18 17 Tumbleweed
Title2 - Chapter 01 22:24 Dialog
Title3 - Chapter 01 3:50 18 (DVD Bonus Track)
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Some more music:
Pixies released a box set in 2009 called Minotaur.
It contains a live show and the following albums:
Come On Pilgrim (1987)
Surfer Rosa (1988)
Doolittle (1989)
Bossanova (1990)
Trompe le Monde (1991)
The box contains each album on CD, DVD, and Blu-ray.
The blu-ray has:
- Live at Brixton Academy with DTS-HD MA (96kHz 24bit 6ch) and (96kHz 24bit 2ch)
- All albums with DTS-HD MA (192kHz 24bit 2ch) and (196kHz 24bit 6ch)
Blu-ray Video
Muse - Live at Rome Olympic Stadium
PCM (96kHz 24bit 2ch)
DTS-HD MA (96kHz 24bit 6Ch)
Anathema - Universal
PCM (24kHz 24bit 2ch)
HDTracks
Pearl Jam - Lightning Bolt
(44.1kHz 24bit 2ch)
Volto - Incitare
(96kHz 24bit 2ch)
Stone Temple Pilots (with Chester Bennington) - High Rise
(96kHz 24bit 2ch)
DVD Video
Sepultura - Live In Sao Paulo
DTS (96kHz 24bit 6ch)
Some info about a few releases
Beck - Sea Change on Blu-ray has
DTS-HD MA (192kHz 24bit 2ch) and (192kHz 24bit 6ch)
PCM (192kHz 24bit 2ch) and (192kHz 24bit 6ch)
It does not have Dolby True HD as advertised
Primus - Sailing The Seas Of Chease on Blu-ray has
True HD (48kHz 24bit 6Ch)
PCM (96kHz 24bit 2Ch) and (48kHz 24bit 6Ch)
It does not have any 96kHz 6ch audio as advertised and printed on the album cover
Ministry - Enjoy The Quiet on Blu-ray has
no 24 bit audio or any 6 channel audio
Smashing pumpkins have been re-releasing their entire collection in 24 bit.
The 5th album to be re-released "The Aeroplane Flies High" is 16 bit.
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I'm Old, Where does the line start?
by the way I can't stand too long since my knees hurt, and they want to do a knee replacement.
where is my cane.
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I'm Old, Where does the line start?
It starts when you are able to contribute to this topic:
http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=28163.0 (http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=28163.0)
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This is an awesome topic! I've actually got a good deal of the releases you've shown, in addition to others including 24/96 vinyl needledrops. :D That new Sea Change release, does it include Ship In A Bottle?
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That new Sea Change release, does it include Ship In A Bottle?
No. Just the original 12 North American tracks.
including 24/96 vinyl needledrops
Just yesterday I received a new cartridge for my turntable so I can start listening to, and recording, my vinyl.
My interest is in mostly in vinyl exclusives so it's a rare occasion when I buy one.
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how did you rip the songs in 24-bit? does J Rivers do this automatically? I set my format to FLAC
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Hello syndromeofadown,
Your topic caught me.
It sounds really interesting to catch on such good "selective" knowledge, makes e want to try on my Hi-Fi (2 channels).
Anyway is it possible to get a formated list (.xls, etc.) and why not including labels ? (no, no need for barcodes ;D)
Thks
TC
p.s Scrap my request but do keep the compliments; I found a Thomas Dolby in my Cd collection. Back in action then.
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Double, RIP. Sorry
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how did you rip the songs in 24-bit? does J Rivers do this automatically? I set my format to FLAC
For DVD-V (DVD Video) or DVD-A (DVD-Audio) you can use DVD Audio Extractor (http://www.dvdae.com/) or Foobar2000 to rip the audio content to high res. DVD-V can handle 24/96 2-channel LPCM. There are a few DVD-V discs out that have 24/96 2-channel uncompressed audio tracks. I've used both DVD Audio Extractor and Foobar to rip a couple DVD-V discs that have 24/96 audio.
I don't have any DVD-A discs. No experience ripping those. But both DVD Audio Extractor and Foobar can. Some DVD-A discs can have watermarking in the audio to thwart playback after ripping. If a DVD-A has watermarking you'll need to deal with that issue.
I don't know how to get the high res audio tracks off a DVD-V or DVD-A using just MC. It may be possible using MC, I just don't know.
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Most of my 24-bit music would be classified as "music for people that are old". However, I do have some that younger listeners might consider current.
24/96 ripped from DVD-V
Steven Wilson - The Raven That Refused To Sing
digital download
My Bloody Valentine - mbv (http://www.mybloodyvalentine.org/) [download is 24/96 WAV, had to tag and convert to FLAC]
Nine Inch Nails - Hesitation Marks [24/48 in both the "audiophile" and standard masterings]
Qobuz download
Moby - Innocents [24/96]
HDtracks download
Green Day - American Idiot [24/96]
And that's about it for my youthful audiophile high res. The rest of my high res pegs me as an old dude.
The Green Day from HDtracks is nice because it is much less compressed than the CD. Finally get to hear it the way it should have been released on CD.
I also have the deluxe CD version of Moby - Innocents. The high res version on Qobuz sounds better than the CD even though some of the DR numbers for the high res are actually lower. I'm pretty sure the high res version is a different mastering. Has noticeably more reverb and the sound has more space and depth. The CD sounds flat in comparison. If you like the music the high res version is well worth it if you listen as an audiophile. Even though it's a bit difficult to buy from Qobuz if you're in the US.
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Also great range of content from BD, both traditional Music BD, and "Pure Audio" BD (audio only). You can then rip them in MC and tag them up + convert your preferred tracks to Audio only files, more here (http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=89627.0)
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New Blu-ray Audio
Soundgarden - Superunknown (20th Anniversary Super Deluxe Edition)
PCM (96kHz 24bit 2ch)
DTS-HD MA (96kHz 24bit 6ch)
TrueHD (96kHz 24bit 6ch)
I'm very impressed by this release. It sounds amazing and has great visuals. Not so great price though.
Not so new Blu-Ray video
Kasabian - Live At The 02
PCM (48kHz 24bit 2ch)
DTS-HD MA (48kHz 24bit 6ch)
Thanks Frobozz for adding to the list.
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A couple not so recent releases:
La Roux - Trouble In Paradise
(96kHz 24bit 2ch) from HDtracks
Trent Reznor And Atticus Ross - Gone Girl OST
(48kHz 24bit 2ch) from NIN website
2014 was probably the worst year of my life for new music because there wasn't any.
I bought more re-releases then new material. It's similar to movies these days.
I suspect both movies and music will hit rock bottom this year before picking up again in 2016.
Since I wasn't busy listening to new music I had time to rip some HDCD's.
Here are some I found in my collection:
Filter - The Best Things/Take A Picture Single
Nine Inch Nails - The Day the World Went Away
Nine Inch Nails - The Fragile (Disc 2)
Nine Inch Nails - We're In This Together Part 2
Nine Inch Nails - We're In This Together Part 3
Pearl Jam - Live On Two Legs
Serj Tankian - Elect The Dead Symphony
Serj Tankian - Imperfect Harmonies (Disc 2)
Tool - Lateralus
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Mehliana: Taming The Dragon by Brad Mehldau & Mark Guiliana (I picked it up at HD Tracks as 44.1 kHz, 24 bit)
Turn Blue by The Black Keys (also from HD Tracks, 44.1 kHz, 24 bit)
Sunken Condos by Donald Fagen (HD Tracks, 88.2 kHz, 24 bit)
Raising Sand by Allison Krause/Robert Plant (HD Tracks, 96 kHz, 24 bit)
Is There Love In Space? by Joe Satriani (HD Tracks, 96 kHz, 24 bit)
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Muse - Drones
(96kHz 24bit 2ch)
from Muse website
Death Cab For Cutie - Kintsugi
(96kHz 24bit 2ch)
HDTracks
Steven Wilson - Hand Cannot Erase
(96kHz 24bit 2ch)
HDTracks
also available on blu-ray with (96/24 5.1 LPCM & DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1)
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Gary Clark Jr. - The Story of Sonny Boy Slim (24/96, 2ch, HDtracks)
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Does anyone know where I can obtain a copy of Roxy Music Avalon in 24 bit?
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Does anyone know where I can obtain a copy of Roxy Music Avalon in 24 bit?
The sites I looked at (Pono Music, Qobuz) only have it for purchase in 16-bit 44.1 kHz.
Steven Wilson - Hand Cannot Erase
(96kHz 24bit 2ch)
HDTracks
also available on blu-ray with (96/24 5.1 LPCM & DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1)
One of the best albums of the year, hands down.
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One of the best albums of the year, hands down.
I haven't heard it yet. I pre-ordered the cd/dvd from amazon in February but they never got any in stock to ship.
I recently cancelled it and ordered the Blu-ray. It arrived yesterday and should be in my library this evening.
Does anyone know where I can obtain a copy of Roxy Music Avalon in 24 bit?
I don't think it's available for purchase digitally at 24bit and I don't think it has been released on dvd-audio.
You can order the SACD from amazon (US, Canada, and Japan), or discogs.com for around 50 dollars.
It was recently re-released in Japan, hence the kinda low price.
I have no idea what you are supposed to do with the SACD when you get it though.
It seams to get re-released quite often so you will probably find a 24 bit version sometime soon.
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bluecoastrecords.com/store
Blue Cost Records ,DSD sounds are very natural , amazing sound!!
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New Blu-ray
Steven Wilson - 4.5
DTS-HD MA (96kHz 24bit 6ch)
PCM (96kHz 24bit 6ch)
PCM (96kHz 24bit 2ch)
New from HD Tracks
Filter - Crazy Eyes
(96kHz 24bit 2ch)
Deftones - Gore
(96kHz 24bit 2ch)
The new Filter album is alright. The best since Amalgamut.
Most, if not all, the back catalogs for Deftones and Red Hot Chilli Peppers are now available from HD Tracks.
I don't care enough about re-releases to list them here but thought it was worth noting.
(I also need a VPN to look at the album info because I'm not in the US and it is forbidden for me to buy music)
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The real Deftones treat (AFAIK, the 24/96 Gore is a padded rip off that peaks at 22kHz that's identical to the CD - glad I didn't waste money buying it myself!) is the remastered albums collection with slightly different versions of songs, especially White Pony.
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(AFAIK, the 24/96 Gore is a padded rip off that peaks at 22kHz that's identical to the CD - glad I didn't waste money buying it myself!)
Thanks for the heads up. There are weird/annoying thing going on with a lot of "Hi-Res" music.
I also noticed that Deftones Koi No Yokan which I bought at 24-96 is only 24-44.1 in the The Studio Album Collection (That has no bonus tracks).
Nothing like jumping through hoops to buy music I already own at premium price just to get a not so premium product.
The real Deftones treat is the remastered albums collection with slightly different versions of songs, especially White Pony
I thought I noticed that too. I believe "passenger" has Chino singing at the end where he wasn't previously.
Muse also has their back catalog at HD Tracks now. They have some pretty bad sounding albums so I hope they have been improved.
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Yeah, I don't buy Hi-Res anymore unless it's confirmed by others that the release isn't a blatant rip off as sadly a lot of Hi-Res releases these days are rip offs. Pretty sure I heard the Steven Wilson Hi-Res releases were same as the CDs too, not sure, I'll have to look at the spectrals here in a bit.
There's a different 24/96 master of Koi No Yokan which is less compressed than the master used for the CD, which sounds great. :D
Pink Maggit also has an additional part added near the end, and there's other changes in songs on Adrenaline and Around The Fur too.
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There is a new Radiohead album called A Moon Shaped Pool.
Available in 24 bit WAV from amoonshapedpool.com
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The new radiohead is great musically, but pretty squashed DR
I went with the 24 for the extra £0.5 but there is no evidence out that the 16/24 are any different, just bounced down
The new Metallica remasters (KeA and RtL) are available in HD, the mixes are actually really good especially KeA which may be the best sounding version yet IMO. Again there is no evidence that the 16/24 are any different (other than USD$8).
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The new radiohead is great musically, but pretty squashed DR
Sadly, this. The 24/48 WAV is better than the 16-bit though.
I'm waiting for a proper vinyl rip of the album.
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I scanned this whole thread but didn't see any of my hi rez tracks listed.
I have all 9 of the studio Led Zep albums in 24/96
And I have Several Pink Floyd and related in 24/96 inc DSoTM, WYWH, The Division Bell, The Endless River, Rattle That Lock, and Amused to Death.
but then... I guess I'm old... I don't feel real old but I guess it happens to us all if we are lucky.
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This is a thread of denial.
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Before the Flood - Music from the Motion Picture
(48kHz 24bit 2ch)
Featuring:
Trent Reznor & Atticus Ross
Gustavo Santaolalla
Mogwai
Available in wav from nin website with purchase of vinyl.
As far I can tell there is no option to just buy the digital version without the vinyl.
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A bunch of NIN stuff released/re-released at NIN website.
The following downloads are available with purchase of Vinyl.
As for as I can tell there isn't a digital only option.
New EP
Nine Inch Nails - Not The Actual Events
(48kHz 24bit 2ch)
New Remix Album
Nine Inch Nails - The Fragile Deviations 1
(96kHz 24bit 2ch)
Re-releases
Nine Inch Nails - Broken (Definitive Edition)
(96kHz 24bit 2ch)
Nine Inch Nails - The Downward Spiral (Definitive Edition)
(96kHz 24bit 2ch)
Nine Inch Nails - The Fragile (Definitive Edition)
(96kHz 24bit 2ch)
As noted in an earlier post The Downward Spiral was previously re-issued on DVDAudio and SACD that included 6 channel mixes.
The Fragile Deviations 1 is limited and definitely worth picking up if you are a fan of the original album. The original is, considered by me, the best album ever released.
There's more vinyl/HD downloads on the site I won't get too into.
Ghosts I-IV - Previously available on Blu-ray.
Hesitation Marks - Previously available to download without vinyl.
Natural Born Killers OST.
Lost Highway OST - Lots of Bowie on it.
The Social Network OST - Previously available on Blu-Ray with 6ch mix.
Gone Girl OST - Previously available to download without vinyl.
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Hopefully Trent sells the hi-res files separately.
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Hopefully Trent sells the hi-res files separately.
I have mixed feeling about it. I couldn't care less about vinyl, especially when i have hi res digital of the same album.
But when the vinyl with HD download is comparatively priced to digital only from somewhere like HD Tracks it's not so bad. The local vinyl store sells albums for 50 - 80 dollars, so again it's not that bad. It's like getting a poster in the mail. My main issue with forcing vinyl is the shipping. I had to pay 83USD, which is like a million Canadian dollars, and it had to go to a town 2 hours from my house. Why not ship USPS for like 10 dollars, to my actual address, and let it take an extra couple days? Instead if forcing vinyl I would prefer a fuzzy little box with a nice artwork book inside, with CD, DVD, and BD discs that possibly include a 6 channel mix. Make the vinyl an optional extra.
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Some more additions:
Run the Jewels 2 (not 3 unfortunately) from their own store: 24/44
Korn - Follow the Leader 24/96 (7digital/HDTracks)
Failure - The Heart is a Monster 24/96 HDTracks
Failure- Fantastic Planet Live 24/96 (PledgeMusic Preorder - Not out yet)
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There's more vinyl/HD downloads on the site I won't get too into.
Ghosts I-IV - Previously available on Blu-ray.
Hesitation Marks - Previously available to download without vinyl.
Natural Born Killers OST.
Lost Highway OST - Lots of Bowie on it.
The Social Network OST - Previously available on Blu-Ray with 6ch mix.
Gone Girl OST - Previously available to download without vinyl.
Unfortunately, these are all 16/44 with the exception of Gone Girl and Hesitation Marks.
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Some more additions:
Run the Jewels 2 (not 3 unfortunately) from their own store: 24/44
Korn - Follow the Leader 24/96 (7digital/HDTracks)
Failure - The Heart is a Monster 24/96 HDTracks
Failure- Fantastic Planet Live 24/96 (PledgeMusic Preorder - Not out yet)
Update: RTJ3 is now out at 24-bit at 7digital.
Also, Bleep.com has a huge selection of 24-bit audio: https://bleep.com/stream/24-bit-wav
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Unfortunately, these are all 16/44 with the exception of Gone Girl and Hesitation Marks.
Thanks for the tip, I emailed support at NIN store in January to confirm bit depth and sample rate but they never got back to me.
I have read elsewhere that Natural Born Killers OST and Lost Highway OST are 16-bit but have been remastered.
They shouldn't be advertising "HI RES DIGITAL". Maybe it is considered hi res compared to itunes but it's just CD quality.
When Pretty Hate Machine was remastered in 2010 it was only available in 16-bit with the reason being that the source material was 16-bit. So it makes sense that it is still only available as 16.
I also read that Ghosts is 16-bit which is strange since you can still buy on blu-ray with at 24-96 on the same site.
I haven't read anywhere about The Social Network OST but I believe my 24-bit copy came from blu-ray too.
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Hesitation Marks is available with from HDtracks with the 3 extras songs from the deluxe version.
NIN store only has the regular version. For those outside the US, the deluxe version is only available on CD.
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I find myself more and more not bothering with "hi-res" audio downloads from various sites anymore, due to the majority being sold are based from same masters the CDs use.
There are a few exceptions where "audiophile" masters are used, though. Otherwise, I don't see the point or hear any difference between the 16-bit masters and the 24-bit masters (as they're probably from the same source). IMO, it's a waste of money and the consumers keep getting burned over and over.
I'm finding professionally done needledrops of older/analog master LPs I already own are where it's at in regards to "hi-res" audio these days. ;)
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I find myself more and more not bothering with "hi-res" audio downloads from various sites anymore
Lately my enthusiasm for hi-res has waned.
I like it when artists release new albums that can be purchased in hi-res direct from their site. Radiohead, Muse, NIN, etc.
I liked dvd-audio and blu-ray because there was typically a surround sound mix as well. Their downside is that they were crippled by DRM.
While I like to get new releases, there really aren't very many. In the past there was such few albums released in hi-res that it was an affordable hobby. Lately they are re-releasing everything, but I don't care about re-releases. With the exception of a few artists and a handful of albums I will never buy a re-release. A good example of an album I won't buy is Soundgarden's Badmotorfinger that has a hi-res version in its 200 dollar deluxe version. It seams that everyone is Pink Floyding us these days. HDtracks isn't even an option where I live, and I am not going to use a VPN and paypal to access it.
I don't think streaming, MQA, or Ultra HD Blu-ray are going to help the situation. I think Apple could if they offered DRM free hi-res music. I am saving a lot of money these days because my music purchases have dropped to almost nothing. The music I do buy is typically on CD and direct from the artist website. I'm fine with it.
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Hell, I'd be happy if Apple offered DRM-free 16-bit lossless downloads.
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7digital offers both 16 and 24bit FLAC Downloads. They let you redownload too without a stupid Manager.
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Hell, I'd be happy if Apple offered DRM-free 16-bit lossless downloads.
+1000
if apple sold ALAC i'd go broke. i don't care as much about hi-res but even just CD would be awesome
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if apple sold ALAC i'd go broke. i don't care as much about hi-res but even just CD would be awesome
Same here, there's all sorts of iTunes-exclusives I'd like to grab in lossless.
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Radiohead's OK Computer deluxe reissue is available from their website for 20USD.
http://www.oknotok.co.uk/
Kind of them to not force vinyl box sets onto their fans.
A couple physical 24 bit releases available from Burning Shed:
Anathema - The Optimist cd/dvd/blu-ray (09-06-2017 availability)
Steven Wilson - To The Bone dvd/blu-ray (18-08-2017 availability)
Radical Face's latest EP SunnMoonnEclippse has 2 out of 3 songs in 24 bit.
Available from Bandcamp
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Nine Inch Nail's new EP 'Add Violence' is available from NIN website at 24/48.
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Beck - Colors is available from Beck website.
It is 24bit and has 8 tracks at 44100 and 2 tracks at 96000.
I don't see it available when browsing the site so here is a link:
https://shop.beck.com/products/colors-digital-download (https://shop.beck.com/products/colors-digital-download)
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I think the over-all point of the thread is to show-case that it is possible to obtain high-fidelity mixes of artists and albums who are relatively new, in spite of not being as "classic" or culturally significant as those who came before.
Speaking as someone who is, herself, only 26, I can relate to a certain degree. I don't think there is anything wrong with artists who had their hey day in, say, the '50's, '60's, and '70's, and indeed, much of what came after them is thanks to them. Nevertheless, they simply don't appeal to me stylistically and atmospherically, and I ardently refuse the notion that newer acts are only really equipped to be inferior interpreters of their influences. It would be a bold statement to claim that, say, Ne Obliviscaris are better than Black Sabbath--indeed, the former would probably be uncomfortable with that assertion themselves, in spite of the flattery. Still, at the very least, they are one of many representing a genre that has stylistically evolved quite a bit with a new generation. This does not entail that their fans fail to recognise the weight of Sabbath's contribution by any means.
Of additional note is that young people today are economically under-equipped to be audiophiles, partially because they haven't "made it" yet, but mostly because the economy is a terrible environment for them and the stereotypical mechanisms of "success" tend to feed right in to it. Being an audiophile is an expensive life style that doesn't lend itself to being juggled with finding good-enough-paying work to make rent, pay bills, and generally sustain one-self. I'm not sure many of them "get" the appeal, to be honest.
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Sadly, not all of the stuff peddled on the "hi-res" stores is actually true hi-res. A lot of stuff, especially stuff from HDtracks, is notorious for using the same masters the CDs are pressed with. This, in my opinion, is a waste of money compared to the cost of a CD.
Good thing there's communities out there which have ongoing discussions on things like this - whether or not a release is good or not.
That's why I rarely buy hi-res files anymore, not unless they're actually hi-res and have been verified by others in the community first.
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It would be a bold statement to claim that, say, Ne Obliviscaris are better than Black Sabbath--indeed, the former would probably be uncomfortable with that assertion themselves, in spite of the flattery. Still, at the very least, they are one of many representing a genre that has stylistically evolved quite a bit with a new generation. This does not entail that their fans fail to recognise the weight of Sabbath's contribution by any means.
Yikes, would be a very bold statement indeed. But it's always nice to see artists/bands show appreciation towards their influences.
Of additional note is that young people today are economically under-equipped to be audiophiles, partially because they haven't "made it" yet, but mostly because the economy is a terrible environment for them and the stereotypical mechanisms of "success" tend to feed right in to it. Being an audiophile is an expensive life style that doesn't lend itself to being juggled with finding good-enough-paying work to make rent, pay bills, and generally sustain one-self. I'm not sure many of them "get" the appeal, to be honest.
I wouldn't ever want to become an audiophile in the sense where I feel the need to buy expensive audio hardware (however I do appreciate and favor having all my music in lossless file formats, e.g. FLAC). I want to enjoy listening to music, not obsessing over my DACs, speakers, cables, receivers, etc. You can get DACs/speakers/receivers/etc. at whatever price points, fortunately. You don't have to break the bank to enjoy your favorite songs.
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Of additional note is that young people today are economically under-equipped to be audiophiles, partially because they haven't "made it" yet, but mostly because the economy is a terrible environment for them and the stereotypical mechanisms of "success" tend to feed right in to it. Being an audiophile is an expensive life style that doesn't lend itself to being juggled with finding good-enough-paying work to make rent, pay bills, and generally sustain one-self. I'm not sure many of them "get" the appeal, to be honest.
There are at least 2 definitions of audiophile; someone who wants to hear very good reproduced audio quality or someone who buys overpriced audio bling.
If you are in the first category you are in an ideal time to be an audiophile. Very high sound quality is available for very little money. Almost any smart phone (which you probably own already) paired with a decent pair of headphones is capable of sound quality which was not available at any price when I was 26. If you want speakers, likewise there are many active loudspeakers available at reasonable prices of a quality much higher than were available in my youth.
High quality audio has never been cheaper. (Of course you can spend any amount of money on sound equipment, but there is no correlation between amount spent and quality, above quite a low threshold.)
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High quality audio has never been cheaper.
Totally agree. There's plenty of options and companies out there, like Schiit Audio, which offer great audio hardware for low prices. I've even noticed that time has passed that the onboard audio on the PC's motherboards has improved. Not only do the majority of them support up to 24-bit/192 kHz output, some of them are beginning to bundle great audio chips, e.g. the ESS 9018 (which supports high bit-depths/sample rates AND DSD) on some of Gigabyte's motherboards.
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Some recent new releases:
A Perfect Circle - Eat The Elephant
(96kHz 24bit 2ch) - from download card in $125 deluxe box set from APC website
(44.1kHz 24bit 2ch) - from HDtracks
Nine Inch Nails - Bad Witch
(48kHz 24bit 2ch) - download with purchase of vinyl from NIN website
Trent Reznor & Atticus Ross - The Vietnam War: Original Score
(48kHz 24bit 2ch) - download with purchase of vinyl from NIN website
Radical Face - Ode To My Family (single)
(96kHz 24bit 2ch) - from Bandcamp
Radical Face - The Goonies 'R" Good Enough (single)
(96kHz 24bit 2ch) - from Bandcamp
The Shins - The Worms Heart
(44.1kHz 24bit 2ch) - from HDtracks
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High quality audio has never been cheaper. (Of course you can spend any amount of money on sound equipment, but there is no correlation between amount spent and quality, above quite a low threshold.)
Oh, for sure. We can thank places like Bandcamp, 7digital, HDTracks, and Qobuz for that.
In my experience, sound equipment is the kicker and that partly depends on what you want. I don't think you need to spend USD$400 on a pair of Oppo PM-3's to get the most out of your mobile listening experience; however, I still spent about half that on a pair of Plantronics BackBeat Pro 2 SE's because I decided that I was beyond done with the annoyance of dealing with 3.5 audio cables, especially while riding a bicycle, but didn't want to skimp on that bass and general "fullness". Honestly, these headphones are perfect for me in every way possible but I'm not sure that the average layperson is going to understand the reasoning in spending USD$200 on a pair of cans, especially if they don't understand the advantages of lossless audio. Lossless files don't sound particularly good (read: better than lossy) out of a pair of cheap ear buds and those are for what most people will opt because they just want something that works. So the connection is lost. I personally hate ear buds; they hurt and they're quite fatiguing but they seem to be the favoured solution.
That's mobile listening but what about in-home/living room experiences? Once again, lossless files don't sound particularly good or better than lossy files when they're played out of your average computer monitor or television speakers and no amount of spectrogram analysis is going to force a better experience for the listener. To get the most out of your lossless files, you'll at least need a competent A/V receiver, a decent pair of front channels, and a subwoofer. That's not an insignificant amount of coin, even if the receiver isn't in Marantz' Reference series and the channels aren't Klipsch. Most people who bother with that set-up seem to be content with sound-bar-and-sub packages and even then, the sub is optional to them because they'd rather not risk disturbing their fellow tenets or their neighbours. Out of a basic system like that, lossless will once again not sound that incredible relative to lossy.
In short, people don't understand the appeal of lossless because they don't have the equipment for it and buying the equipment for it is not a wise capital venture because they seldom have first-hand experience with the positive results of going to the trouble. Much of the time, they're taking the plunge because they love music and were told by someone else that it's "worth it"—like I was. I have no regrets but I know others will be for more sceptical.
All of that is aside from the ever-prominent need for the "feeling of ownership", usually in conjunction with the sentiment that a database of digital files is not a "real" collection. CD's satisfy most people as-is and those who are leaving them behind are doing so in favour of streaming services like Spotify—lossy but adequate to them.
I think lossless is on the rise but it's a very slow rise.
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Bandcamp, CDBaby, 7digital, Qobuz, etc. are great resources for lossless downloads, that's for sure. As I've said before however, hi-res downloads can be... complicated.
My main concern with hi-res downloads is it really hi-res we're paying for? I wouldn't be surprised if most if not all of the "hi-res" downloads listed above are sourced from the same master as the CD, hence we're just paying extra for nothing. You really have to be careful when purchasing "hi-res" music downloads. If you know how to do a spectral analysis of a music file and look at it and see where the cut-off is, you can tell whether or not a "hi-res" download really is or not.
Thankfully there's communities where discussions about hi-res releases and whether or not there just based on the CD masters or if they're actually hi-res and thus worth the money. More often than not in my own experience, sadly, hi-res music downloads are based on the same master as the CD. This is one of the reasons I got into very high quality vinyl needledrops of older albums. Depending on the album, how old it is, if it was recorded digitally or not, what equipment is being used for the rip, etc. the result can be quite spectacular.
Lossless downloads in general on the other hand is a great thing to see. If only Apple offered lossless downloads from their Store - I'd be on that so fast buying and downloading iTunes exclusive albums and tracks.
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My main concern with hi-res downloads is it really hi-res we're paying for? I wouldn't be surprised if most if not all of the "hi-res" downloads listed above are sourced from the same master as the CD, hence we're just paying extra for nothing. You really have to be careful when purchasing "hi-res" music downloads. If you know how to do a spectral analysis of a music file and look at it and see where the cut-off is, you can tell whether or not a "hi-res" download really is or not.
Yes, the short answer to that question is typically "no" because these supposedly high resolution downloads often don't contain any frequency information above 22 kHz, or if they do it's noise that is not a part of the music.
But human hearing is 20Hz to 20kHz, so even a 44.1kHz track covers the entire range of human hearing.
So even if most of these downloads were not lying about containing high frequency content, we couldn't hear it even if they did.
Most people don't even seem to notice spurious tones in the ~16kHz region that are present in many recordings - which is fairly typical as people lose their high frequency hearing with age.
There is questionable benefit to going beyond 16-bit for distribution too.
It's important to have a 24-bit playback device, but not 24-bit music tracks. In some setups with a lot of DSP being performed, there can be a small benefit to a 24-bit source.
Thankfully there's communities where discussions about hi-res releases and whether or not there just based on the CD masters or if they're actually hi-res and thus worth the money. More often than not in my own experience, sadly, hi-res music downloads are based on the same master as the CD. This is one of the reasons I got into very high quality vinyl needledrops of older albums. Depending on the album, how old it is, if it was recorded digitally or not, what equipment is being used for the rip, etc. the result can be quite spectacular.
Not that they can't sound good, but you're typically moving backwards if you're going from digital to analog audio sources like Vinyl.
I know that some people love them, but from an objective point of view, they don't compare to even a regular CD.
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To be honest, I'm very content with CD quality, which is why I still approach it as my minimum standard. Bandcamp and Qobuz hit the sweet spot because they always offer lossless but don't exclude CD-quality content. The problem I tend to have with services like HDTracks is that, while I understand their applicability, they tend to have a rather narrow selection, especially when it comes to my musical interests. At best, I can find the Star Wars soundtracks.
This doesn't mean that I want CD's though. I have a fairly large collection as-is and what does it do? It takes space. I put them in to my PC once to rip them and then they just sit there forever until I have to pack them up and move them again and it's annoying.
Vinyl records are even worse; they're friggin' heavy when packed in to one chest! I bought them extensively towards the beginning of the decade because I found them collectible and had planned on investing in the equipment necessary to play and record them. Unfortunately, that, too, can be of significant cost, involving the purchasing of the right table, tone-arms, needles, phono amp, and then having the appropriate software to record them. On top of that, they're all-together more fragile, susceptible to the elements, and more difficult to work with.
I mean, don't get me wrong: They are really cool. Maybe I'll get one framed or something. They can nicely symbolise my love for music if hung on my wall. But I definitely mean to sell most of them as I intend to sell most of my CD's. I want to down-size and go digital. It'll much easier to deal with. Some would say that I'm wasting money by buying digital replacements for my CD collection but I figure it'll even out fairly well as I sell more of them.
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UNKLE - The Road: Part II/Lost Highway
(48kHz 24bit 2ch)
Trent Reznor & Atticus Ross - Mid90s OST
(48kHz 24bit 2ch) - available from NIN website
Tool - Fear Inoculum
(96kHz 24bit 2ch) - available from HDtracks as well as other places
Tool's back catalog is also available at 24-96 with exception of singles and Salival, I believe.
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Yeah, I grabbed the Tool release. Not bad of an album, though I'm not sure it was worth the 13 year wait yet. :P
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One could really find some great high res recordings in pcm&dsd:
http://www.2xhd.com/ (http://www.2xhd.com/)
https://referencerecordings.com/ (https://referencerecordings.com/)
https://www.nativedsd.com/ (https://www.nativedsd.com/)
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I have from Diana Krall a few recordings in high res 24bit/... and in CD quality. In my environment the high res downloads sound all! less technical, smoother.
I would agree pop music from Taylor Swift etc. is not available in high res. If yes, its taken mostly from CD. Some pop music from some Artists sound much better on live concerts available on BD in 24/32 bit 48kHz then on CD. E.g. I love ELO Live at Wembley Stadium or the last Nightwish Concert with Tarja Turunen.
11.09.19 Taylor Swift's new Album "Lover" is available in 24 bit 44.1kHz!
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I forgot this one:
Thom Yorke - ANIMA
(44.1kHz 24bit 2ch) - available at anima.technology website
Yeah, I grabbed the Tool release. Not bad of an album, though I'm not sure it was worth the 13 year wait yet.
I think it was worth the wait for the song "Descending" alone. I was never in a rush for it to come out and when it did I was in a remote location that didn't have the bandwidth to download it, so I got it a few weeks later than everyone else. I'm more exited for the new Deftones album which is supposed to be released this year. They are a band that has aged very well over the last 20 years. I seem to like them more as time goes on.
Taylor Swift's new Album "Lover" is available in 24 bit 44.1kHz!
It's funny that Taylor Swift and Tool were competing for #1 on the charts, as many of Taylor Swift's fans weren't even born when Tool's last album was released.
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In short, people don't understand the appeal of lossless because they don't have the equipment for it and buying the equipment for it is not a wise capital venture because they seldom have first-hand experience with the positive results of going to the trouble. Much of the time, they're taking the plunge because they love music and were told by someone else that it's "worth it"—like I was. I have no regrets but I know others will be for more sceptical.
I would say you have only hit on part of the issue. People don't understand the appeal of lossless because they have not been educated on how MP3's differ from FLAC audio. Nor have they been given the opportunity to hear the difference on capable equipment. I sold mid-end audio in the late 80's working my way through college and it was roughly the same thing. Everyone wanted the Cerwin Vega's because they had the "Oh my God look how big the woofers are" or the Bose 901's "because the vague soundstage was "Oh so cool!" but few wanted the Paradigm's, the Infinity Kappa's, Klipsch or Acoustic Research even if they were cheaper.
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I'm going along with the thread drift. My hearing has always been awful but I love music. I don't really like headphones for music so my headphone setup is modest to say the least. I can often still hear the difference between lossless and lossy in those headphones. It doesn't take much more than an appreciation for music and maybe someone to show you it can be better than streaming to get into the "audiophile" world.
A little bit back on topic. One thing I have found is that sometimes the "hi-res" downloads are the only lossless downloads I can find. That is the only time I end up with above CD quality tracks. I think if it was easy to definitively buy 24-bit Audio For People That Aren't Old I would do it sometimes to support it but I'm too lazy to do the research on if it is truly 24-bit.
I do like reading this thread to see if there is anything I would be interested in. Please keep posting releases.
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I'm going along with the thread drift. My hearing has always been awful but I love music.
This reminds me of a rather wealthy Business Development Director I worked for back in the day. He owned a set of B&W 801's a for fronts, another set of bookshelf B&W's for his surrounds, a Classe CA-5100 amp and then brand new Classe SPP-800 preamp. I asked him if he enjoyed his music to which he replied "very much" I was always envious of his equipment as it did sound markedly better than mine at the time (Denon AVR-3800CI). A few years before I left the company, he told me he had his hearing checked. He had almost 90% loss above 13Khz. Like you, his hearing was "awful" but he loved his music :)
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There's a lot of music below 13Khz! Those high frequencies aren't the only place that lossless beats lossy.
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A year to the day since my last post. Not a lot of decent new music these days. Is everything new just awful, or am I old now and hate the next generations music? This happens with every generation, but I feel like this time is worse. Much much worse. Anyways, some new old man music:
Deftones - Ohms
(96kHz 24bit 2ch)
at HDtracks and Qobuz. There is a digital version at Deftones site but there is no mention of quality or format.
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One thing I've noticed that is relevant to this thread: a lot of new artists are releasing music on bandcamp, and bandcamp has started slipping 24-bit audio downloads in for FLAC downloads without even really mentioning it. I suddenly realized that most of the albums I've bought on bandcamp in the last year or two were 24-bit!
A year to the day since my last post. Not a lot of decent new music these days. Is everything new just awful, or am I old now and hate the next generations music? This happens with every generation, but I feel like this time is worse. Much much worse. Anyways, some new old man music:
I feel like there's good music coming out, but you have to dig for it a bit. I know you weren't asking for recommendations, but based on some stuff you've posted in this thread, you might enjoy last year's Blanck Mass record ("Animated Violence Mild"). It reminds me a bit of old NIN/Ministry, and the FLACs of that album from bandcamp were 96KHz and 24-bit!
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I know you weren't asking for recommendations
On the contrary, I would welcome any recommendations about decent music. I will check out Blanck Mass.
I really like Bandcamp, especially because it isn't restricted to Americans only. Radical Face is really good and has all his music there. Some hi res, some not. Isis and Isis related bands have some of their music on there too: Windmills By The Ocean, Pelican, Russian Circles. None are hi res that I know of.
I guess Bandcamp streams, but I haven't ever tried it. I will give it a go.
Thanks mwillems.
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On the contrary, I would welcome any recommendations about decent music. I will check out Blanck Mass.
I really like Bandcamp, especially because it isn't restricted to Americans only. Radical Face is really good and has all his music there. Some hi res, some not. Isis and Isis related bands have some of their music on there too: Windmills By The Ocean, Pelican, Russian Circles. None are hi res that I know of.
Those are great bands; I really love Russian Circles (I've seen them live twice!). Were you ever into Grails? Not new music, but I feel like they had a pretty similar vibe to Russian Circles for me.
Here are a few things that came out this year or last year that I enjoyed (most on bandcamp, but many are standard res). Not sure how much of this will be your cup of tea, but these are probably my favorite new albums from last year and this year:
Ritual Howls - "Rendered Armor" 2019 (Goth Rock) (24-bit/44KHz from bandcamp)
King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard - "Infest the Rat's Nest" 2019 (Thrash Metal) (on bandcamp, but I think its standard res)
Caribou - "Suddenly" 2020 (Electronic) (on bandcamp, but standard res)
Jenny Hval - "The Practice of Love" 2019 (Weird Synth Pop) (on bandcamp, the FLACs I got were 24 bit/44KHz)
Black Midi - "Schlagenheim" 2019 (Math Rock/Jazz Fusion/Experimental) (on bandcamp, but I bought a physical CD, so I'm not sure what res they're selling)
Tamaryn - "Dreaming in the Dark" 2019 (80's-style synth pop) (on bandcamp, but I bought the CD)
And an honorable mentions for new material by an older artist:
The Mountain Goats - "Songs for Pierre Chuvin" 2020 (Singer/Songwriter/Folk)
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A year to the day since my last post. Not a lot of decent new music these days. Is everything new just awful, or am I old now and hate the next generations music? This happens with every generation, but I feel like this time is worse. Much much worse. Anyways, some new old man music:
Deftones - Ohms
(96kHz 24bit 2ch)
at HDtracks and Qobuz. There is a digital version at Deftones site but there is no mention of quality or format.
Unfortunately this release is the same master as the CD, so it's basically a ripoff unfortunately. =\
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Thanks mwillems. I have never heard Grails that I know of. I will check them out along with your other recommendations.
Unfortunately this release is the same master as the CD, so it's basically a ripoff unfortunately. =\
That's too bad. Conveniently, geo-restrictions prevented me from purchasing a hi res copy. Regardless I am enjoying the album. Deftones are awesome.
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That's too bad. Conveniently, geo-restrictions prevented me from purchasing a hi res copy. Regardless I am enjoying the album. Deftones are awesome.
Yeah, it's a shame but it's not really surprising as most "hi-res" releases on HDtracks, Qobuz, etc. use the same masters as the CDs.
The original 24/96 release of Koi No Yokan was a different mastering than the CD release with better dynamic range.
And yes, Deftones are indeed awesome.
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Yeah, it's a shame but it's not really surprising as most "hi-res" releases on HDtracks, Qobuz, etc. use the same masters as the CDs....
Oh good, so I'm not the only person who has noticed that. :)
To me it seemed that the "hi-res" tracks for downloading were little more than the 44.1/16 versions converted to 96/24.
One thing that I dislike about the "digital remasters" of the analog-recorded music is the tendency to, ummm, re-process (I'm being kind) the music for today's ear.
Volume compression is quite evident, and excessive.
I listen to my vinyl, and then I listen to the digital remaster version and the difference is not just evident, but jarring.
imo, of course. :)
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...One thing that I dislike about the "digital remasters" of the analog-recorded music is the tendency to, ummm, re-process (I'm being kind) the music for today's ear.
Volume compression is quite evident, and excessive.
I listen to my vinyl, and then I listen to the digital remaster version and the difference is not just evident, but jarring. ...
As an example, here are two volume vs time images, taken from my audio editor screen. Both are the song "Brown Sugar" by the Rolling Stones. The vinyl image is from the original 1971 vinyl album (the copy I have has a working zipper on the front cover). The CD image is from the compact disc I bought in the 80's.
Both have been normalized so that the highest peak of the song in each file is at -0.24dB. In the vinyl version, that peak seems to be hit only a couple of times. In the CD version, that peak seems to be hit nearly constantly.
Additionally, there is a subtle increase of volume in the vinyl version from beginning to end. The CD versionstarts out loud and stays there.
Attached are the image grabs...
(for each, the left channel is the top waveform, the right channel is the bottom waveform)
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Disturbed Album Collection From HDTracks, real nice collection, but a little expensive. ;D
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Also likely not worth it over the CD masters.
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I stumbled upon an aspect of this conundrum as I was assembling a playlist.
I discovered that the Moody Blues album "Days Of Future Past" seems to have had an interesting past, circa 1978.
Digging through my vinyl, MFSL-CD and SACD issues, I noted a distinct difference in the master that was used. Digging into it, there seems to be a 1978 issue[ with the album.
That's why, in the play list I may be uploading, I specified the [pre-1978] album ID number. Jus' tryin' to keep things traceable.
But wow, the reverb on the later issues is interesting. :)
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As an example, here are two volume vs time images, taken from my audio editor screen. Both are the song "Brown Sugar" by the Rolling Stones. The vinyl image is from the original 1971 vinyl album (the copy I have has a working zipper on the front cover). The CD image is from the compact disc I bought in the 80's...
fwiw, these two versions of Brown Sugar are in the Hearing Double playlist I recently uploaded to CloudPlay.
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Another ancient relic here. ;D I have some of the tunes in your collection in my own [rather large] collection, but I'm afraid to suggest anything to you out of fear that it will be "too geriatric" for you to try. One of the earlier posts put it fairly well. At least some of the artists you listed in the OP were inspired, in one way or another, by us old musicians. As a guitar player -- and a long time music observer -- I can tell you, with no hesitation, that much of the music you like is predicated on the same cord progressions that have been in use for decades. Just because the subject matter in the lyrics has changed doesn't mean that the music itself has changed very much. That's my old $0.02
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Another ancient relic here. ;D I have some of the tunes in your collection in my own [rather large] collection, but I'm afraid to suggest anything to you out of fear that it will be "too geriatric" for you to try. One of the earlier posts put it fairly well. At least some of the artists you listed in the OP were inspired, in one way or another, by us old musicians. As a guitar player -- and a long time music observer -- I can tell you, with no hesitation, that much of the music you like is predicated on the same cord progressions that have been in use for decades. Just because the subject matter in the lyrics has changed doesn't mean that the music itself has changed very much. That's my old $0.02
Well put.
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Have a look at Rick Beato on youtube. He does a great job of dissecting music in his "What makes this song great" series and his analysis of current top 10 music (iTunes, Spotify playlists etc.) is also really informative re the predictive nature of some of today's music and highlights why innovation in song structure and chord progression is so important.
Couple examples, there are lots more.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynFNt4tgBJ0&t=1s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ks4c_A0Ach8&t=1s
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Just because the subject matter in the lyrics has changed doesn't mean that the music itself has changed very much. That's my old $0.02
And in the category of "I wish I had said that", the award goes to HandLogger.
Really, so much knowledge conveyed in so few words....