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Devices => JRiver Id -- Hardware by JRiver => Topic started by: JimH on May 05, 2014, 12:41:33 pm
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(http://wiki.jriver.com/images/a/ab/IdLogo2.jpg)
Details on the Wiki (http://wiki.JRiver.com/index.php/Id) Ordering (http://wiki.JRiver.com/index.php/Id#Ordering) Instructions (http://wiki.JRiver.com/index.php/Id_Instructions) Questions? (http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=91344.0)
(http://www.pix01.com/gallery/8D12431D-7EA0-495D-9EA2-775091458CB9/JRiver_Id_Release/7565759850.jpg)
The JRiver Id is Now Available
The Id is a small networked audio player. It eliminates the need to boot Windows or turn on a display. Connect it to your receiver or DAC and control it with Gizmo (http://wiki.JRiver.com/index.php/Gizmo) (Android) or JRemote (http://www.JRemote.net/) (iOS) or other remotes. You can also play directly to it from a computer. It's quiet and draws less than 7 watts of power.
The Id will be $395, but you can order now at an introductory price of $295 (http://wiki.JRiver.com/index.php/Id#Ordering).
[Edit: Prices on parts have dropped a little, so we've lowered the Id's prices. www.jriver.com/Id ]
Orders are normally shipped within two days of receipt.
Many MC users enjoy building their own hardware, but for most others, this is an excellent solution.
Original thread (http://yabb.JRiver.com/interact/index.php?topic=87884.0)
(http://www.pix01.com/gallery/8D12431D-7EA0-495D-9EA2-775091458CB9/JRiver_Id/1047451870.jpg)
It is designed to be run without a monitor, and controlled with a tablet or phone, but it also has a GUI Mode:
(http://wiki.JRiver.com/images/d/db/GUImode.jpg)
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if I own a NUC like this, will I be able to download an iso image for the Id?
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if I own a NUC like this, will I be able to download a iso image for the Id?
Not now, maybe later.
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What audio device/driver does it use? ASIO? Can we use full DSP functions? What bit depth/sample rate will it support?
I'm intrigued ...
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It's running Linux, so drivers differ from Windows. You could read about our Linux version on the Linux board here.
It has the same features as the Linux version. Details are on that board.
In general, it will provide the same high quality features available in the Windows version.
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Thanks. I'll familiarize myself with the Linux version through that board.
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Jim
I'll take one, even though I'm in the uk.
I'm right in believing it'll sit between my NAS and DAC, be silent, controlled from a tablet and run MC? I currently manage my library from a PC in the study. This would allow me to have the ID next to my DAC in the other room. I'm assuming it can share a library and in general use wouldnt need the study PC to be switched on.
Regards
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I'm right in believing it'll sit between my NAS and DAC, be silent, controlled from a tablet and run MC?
1. NAS > Id > DAC would work _if_ the NAS runs a DLNA Server. If not, you would need to do this:
2. NAS > MC on Mac or PC > Id > DAC
I currently manage my library from a PC in the study. This would allow me to have the ID next to my DAC in the other room.
That would work if MC on the PC has imported files from the NAS.
I'm assuming it can share a library and in general use wouldn't need the study PC to be switched on.
In order to turn off the PC, you'd need to do #1 above. The NAS would need to run a DLNA Server.
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1. NAS > Id > DAC would work _if_ the NAS runs a DLNA Server. If not, you would need to do this:
2. NAS > MC on Mac or PC > Id > DACThat would work if MC on the PC has imported files from the NAS.In order to turn off the PC, you'd need to do #1 above. The NAS would need to run a DLNA Server.
So, the Id can't access an NFS share exported on the NAS?
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It probably could, but it doesn't at this time.
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Expect a DLNA Renderer that works well. It may require a little help from the forum to set it up, and it may have a few rough edges, but problems will be solved by the device's ability to update itself.
If you're not happy with it, we will refund the full purchase price for 30 days.
Thanks.
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Will it support synchronized playback?
Few other DLNA/UPnP devices seem to, which is why so many people use Sonos/AirPlay instead.
After buying some DLNA hardware recently (http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=88905.0), and reading about other people's problems, I'm really losing faith in DLNA/UPnP as a robust solution for networked/multiroom audio.
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just wonder'n. With folks, including myself streaming about 50% of the time, I'm thinking it's almost a must.
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just wonder'n. With folks, including myself streaming about 50% of the time, I'm thinking it's almost a must.
We have no plans for streaming from Internet sources at this point. It's not so much of a technical problem as it is a licensing or rights problem.
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We have no plans for streaming from Internet sources at this point. It's not so much of a technical problem as it is a licensing or rights problem.
What about implementing Logitech Media Server?
Also, does this retain the ability to handle DSD and HD multichannel files from a server? If so, I want it now!
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What about implementing Logitech Media Server?
Also, does this retain the ability to handle DSD and HD multichannel files from a server? If so, I want it now!
No Logitech. Sorry. We're aiming at perfecting one thing first, and that's the DLNA Renderer. We'll broaden the scope in the future.
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Audio Output Split (http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=89285.0)
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I have a synology NAS with my music files. As you say it's DLNA which will be fine too, but won't have my MC playlists, will I? If the Id is running the unix version of MC then aren't I connecting the JRemote to the MC library.
Oh I've got it. MC is reading the DLNA server not the network drive.
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Any chance an external VFD could be hooked up as a 'playing now' display??
I have these on my (ancient) Roku Soundbridges. Their VFDs are pretty useful as well as being a conversation piece.
Just an enabling of a common interface via the USB would be sufficient.
'post mounted' VFDs like you see on cash registers are commonly available for about $75 at salvage mongers. New in box units run about $125. Most of them run on the current available from USB v2/3 ports, some of them do require an external powerr adapter.
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Any chance an external VFD could be hooked up as a 'playing now' display??
I have these on my (ancient) Roku Soundbridges. Their VFDs are pretty useful as well as being a conversation piece.
Just an enabling of a common interface via the USB would be sufficient.
'post mounted' VFDs like you see on cash registers are commonly available for about $75 at salvage mongers. New in box units run about $125. Most of them run on the current available from USB v2/3 ports, some of them do require an external powerr adapter.
Maybe this one is the answer to your request
http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=63181.0 (http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=63181.0)
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Any chance an external VFD could be hooked up as a 'playing now' display??
I have these on my (ancient) Roku Soundbridges. Their VFDs are pretty useful as well as being a conversation piece.
Just an enabling of a common interface via the USB would be sufficient.
'post mounted' VFDs like you see on cash registers are commonly available for about $75 at salvage mongers. New in box units run about $125. Most of them run on the current available from USB v2/3 ports, some of them do require an external power adapter.
Interesting, but not anytime soon. The phone or tablet is the display in this case.
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We shipped the first group of orders this week. To those who ordered, thanks for your confidence in our work.
The Id works reliably as a renderer now. The server is also working, but hasn't been tested as much. You can copy files to it across the network, and it will import them automatically.
Bob has done a great job getting this working. It's impressive.
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Is the Id able to handle DSD files stored on DLNA server (e.g., a NAS with DLNA capability)? What about an external hard drive connected by USB?
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The Id will play DSD files. It has the same audio and networking capabilities that MC on Windows or Mac have.
It won't yet support an external USB storage device, but MC on Windows or Mac could import the files from the USB drive and they would be available for playback to the Id.
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Power is 100 to 240 Volts, 50 to 60 Hz. The power supply is an external "brick". It comes with adaptors for international power plugs. More information is at the bottom of the instructions page (http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Id_Instructions).
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Would Id be available with better processor? If not will the current version handle the conversion to dsd on the fly? If not any chance we can purchase ISO to Id os/jriver setup to roll our own.
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We will probably add more options later, but now our focus is on quality and reliability. We need to keep the variables to a minimum.
Used as a Renderer, the conversion would occur on the server.
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You mentioned supporting usb/spdif devices such as the vlink 192, yet only the usb dragonfly is mentioned on the wiki page.
Can you confirm?
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I did a little testing DSD files this morning. They play without conversion. I was testing playback from a USB stick in my laptop over a wireless connection to the Id. No problem.
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Any idea of the shipping cost to Canada?
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Around $40 by mail.
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Jim
The vlink-192 is a usb / spdif converter. Are you sure it won't be supported, and only the Dragonfly or Hdmi?
Regards
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I don't know. Sorry.
[Edit -- it looks like most USB DAC's will work, unless they require their own USB driver.]
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Around $40 by mail.
Thanks. I'll get it sent to my holding address in upstate NY and then go pick it up with a bunch of other stuff too.
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I did a little testing DSD files this morning. They play without conversion. I was testing playback from a USB stick in my laptop over a wireless connection to the Id. No problem.
I just tested multi-channel FLAC over an HDMI connection to my receiver. It works.
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Nice one guys!!
At the beginning of this year I was wondering about a JRiver embedded type device and whether the time was right for such a thing to appear.
I was considering what I could build that was solid state with enough processing power to stream audio and HD video and have the ability to run JRiver and be portable.
I book marked heaps of things to do with industrial ARM and x86 processors and Intel NUCs and the like. With the advent of 3d printing I was making plans to prototype something. Guess I don't need to bother now!
I recently purchased a Seagate wireless plus and have managed to get it working well as a wireless portable 1TB DLNA server.
I've hacked mine to run a few other useful things on it and make it more reliable. (custom startup scripts and a few other things that stop it from reindexing everytime it restarts)
I use JRiver MC19 handheld sync to sync all my music and transcode some movies to it via USB3 and then use it to stream via DLNA in the car with iPhone and 8Player and at work and at the holiday house.
I could see the Id and the Seagate Wireless plus being great companion devices! :)
Just the other day searching the forums for info on an ARM compiled version of MC19. Hoping an ARM version makes It out of the R&D stage!
What I really want is JRemote/Gizmo App integration with a DLNA server. JRemote can do bit perfect playback of files on the iPhone @ 96/24 (streamed FLAC from MC19) with an external USB DAC like the FiiO E17 (which I own and LOVE) and JRemote really is the best media app on the iPhone.
Jim do you know if there are any plans to get JRemote or Gizmo working with the Id or other DLNA servers?
Amazing what these little boxes can do today! Im going to get one Jim just to play.. :)
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Jim do you know if there are any plans to get JRemote or Gizmo working with the Id or other DLNA servers?
Amazing what these little boxes can do today! Im going to get one Jim just to play.. :)
Gizmo and JRemote can both control the Id. You could test whatever version of MC you have now to see how it works with your DLNA Server.
Thanks for your order, by the way.
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Greetings:
The cost is not bad. I in fact expect it to cost more. I will wait until it is tested with videos (mkv.)
Any hope regarding choice of colors in the future i.e black, and slim form factor?.
I will like to set up all bedrooms in my house to use this.
Thanks.
George T. Omoregie.
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Gizmo and JRemote can both control the Id. You could test whatever version of MC you have now to see how it works with your DLNA Server.
Thanks for your order, by the way.
Thanks Jim.
MC19 already works great with the seagate wireless plus (swp) DLNA server so that's great news. I'm looking forward to using the Id as a renderer, swp as DLNA server and JRemote as both remote and renderer.
I bet I can get the Id working in the car with BT integration with the iPhone running JRemote/BT with AVRCP BT integration. I can't wait!!! If it works as I suspect it will I'll have to order another one dedicated to the car!
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Greetings:
Any hope regarding choice of colors in the future i.e black, and slim form factor?.
I think that most slim form factor cases are much bigger than this:
MECHANICAL CHASSIS SIZE:
• 4.59¨ x 4.41¨ x 2.03¨
• 116.6mm x 112.0mm x 51.5mm
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Greetings:
Looking at the case on my screen looks bulky to me. Maybe my astigmatism is fooling me.
Thanks.
George
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Greetings:
Looking at the case on my screen looks bulky to me. Maybe my astigmatism is fooling me.
Thanks.
George
In those pictures, Intel failed to take advantage of one if the NUC's best characteristics - its tiny size. Those owe close ups don't convey its true proportions. To get a realistic perspective, compare the size of the USB port to the overall dimensions.
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Here's a picture with a pencil to provide a sense of scale:
(http://www.pix01.com/gallery/8D12431D-7EA0-495D-9EA2-775091458CB9/JRiver_Id_Release/7565759850.jpg)
We're about to ship the first batch.
Pictures of our clean room (http://pix01.com/w61%407oKI)
There are a couple pictures of the USB 3.0 cradle we're using to cut the drives. It takes about four minutes to cut each drive. The location is behind our server rack.
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my dac is NAD M51,it has hdmi input! I look forward to the dac and id can work well together！
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Here's a picture with a pencil to provide a sense of scale:
(http://www.pix01.com/gallery/8D12431D-7EA0-495D-9EA2-775091458CB9/JRiver_Id_Release/7565759850.jpg)
We're about to ship the first batch.
Pictures of our clean room (http://pix01.com/w61%407oKI)
There are a couple pictures of the USB 3.0 cradle we're using to cut the drives. It takes about four minutes to cut each drive. The location is behind our server rack.
Im Excited!! Thanks for processing the order so quick. I cant wait!
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I posted a thread up on CA (http://www.computeraudiophile.com/f22-networking-networked-audio-and-streaming/new-j-river-id-20630/) about the device, thinking the Id would be perfect for that crowd. Wish I hadn't now.
However one comment was about whether the Id was audiophile or high quality. High quality is how is described on the wiki, but I can't see how, if connected to a decent DAC it can't produce audiophile quality sound.
Unless the Id is very noisy, or course.
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It's quiet. If I put my ear on it, I can hear the fan, but from two feet away, I can't hear anything. I sit about 10 feet away to listen to music, and I can also close the door on the cabinet.
I would rate it as audiophile friendly, but who am I to say what audiophiles want.
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Interested to hear there's a fan, even though there's a SSD.
Point taken about audiophile sound. Personally I struggle hearing the difference between 24/192 and 24/96, so perhaps it's all wasted on me.
There's a separate debate going on about whether the Id can really support on the fly upsampling to DSD, with one of the new KORG DACs. Oh this is going to be so much fun!
Any news about shipping yet. I think you were hoping to ship some last Friday
Regards
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We're starting to ship today. If you have paid, yours will be sent today or tomorrow at the latest.
Thank you!
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Just as well, I've got nothing planned for the weekend then !
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Just as well, I've got nothing planned for the weekend then !
Pretty good way to spend your weekend. Here's to a smooth experience to all those taking the plunge.
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I put a Kill A Watt in line tonight. This is the picture of energy use. 6.8 watts, playing APE files to my receiver.
(http://www.pix01.com/gallery/8D12431D-7EA0-495D-9EA2-775091458CB9/Kill_A_Watt/5519902060.jpg)
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A couple of questions --
1. It'd be helpful for the Description page to have a head-on photo of the back panel. It's not clear what connectors are there (and therefore, what kind of connections it has). For example, what forms of digital output are there? Coax? HDMI? XLR? Toslink? USB?
2. It's also not clear whether it was designed to work with DLNA control points other than Gizmo and JRemote; say, BubbleUPnP.
Not entirely clear to me how this fits into a typical system (or systems). Is Id in essence a small computer with MC preinstalled? So would fill the role of any other computer running MC?
It's a nice, compact product, and the price is refreshing, in this day of overpriced audio.
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It has HDMI and USB. Connections are listed in the text. There is also a link to Intel information.
Bubble should work. It's standard DLNA, and Bubble works with MC for Windows.
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For comparison, my HTPC uses 45 to 50 watts during music playback.
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Id safely arrived down under in Australia! Thanks Jim!
I'll have some fun tonight!
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Well I had a good play with the Id tonight and was pretty impressed.
I got it going pretty quickly. I changed my default output formats in GUI mode, saved with option 4 and then rebooted in text mode with HDMI initialised and everything worked.
The updated to MC19 19.x.138 today worked as it should.
It works with all file formats I gave it, including SACD ISO 2ch and 6ch converted to PCM 96/24.
Worked well with 2ch 192/24 Flac and 6ch 96/24 Flac also.
Worked well with JRemote as my remote and my MS Surface Pro 2 with MC19 as remote, with my HTPC Server library loaded locally on it and streaming via HDMI to my amp.
Worked well with external FiiO E17 USB DAC at all bit rates up to 96/24. (its a class 1 driverless DAC) (working after making some minor config changes under the GUI mode).
I rebooted into USB DAC mode in text mode from my HDMI mode and it didn't work first time, I had to go into GUI mode and set up the device setting to use the e17 DAC which appeared in the menu and then the DAC worked but only @ 48/16 at first, and it was also transcoding everything to 320K MP3.
By default it was decoding to mp3 320K to the USB DAC, I had to change the defaults in client options in GUI mode to convert if necessary and that stopped it converting - at least I think that's the setting that fixed it!
I couldn't get it to play SACD as a renderer from JRemote or another MC19 player (maybe that's an intentional/design limitation?) It would only play SACD ISO locally from my HTPC loaded library. It seemed to be converting SACD to WAV (with silence and no sound) from the source when trying to playback as a renderer controlled from another player.
I saved my USB DAC settings with option 4 and then rebooted back into HDMI GUI mode and it defaulted back to the onboard audio device instead of the HDMI audio device. I had to go back into the audio options and reset it to HDMI and it also lost all my previously saved Output Format settings. It would be good if it could save DAC settings with Output Formats and HDMI settings with its own Output Formats. :)
I guess it might be possible to just setup another zone on it with the USB DAC save it and then switch between zones from the remote and then I wouldn't have to reboot between DAC and HDMI mode. (does it support multiple local zones?)
I added my room correction and parametric EQ from my HTPC and it sounded the same which is good! Though I think it was struggling with processing and giving an occasional glitch with room correction activated. (just bass redirection for the sub)
All up it worked very well for an early launched product and I'm pretty impressed. ;D
I'll take some video of it with a gopro and post on youtube tomorrow night!
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Thanks for the nice report. It will give Bob a boost, which he well deserves.
He and Hendrik found a way to get the GUI to work much more smoothly, so that the window doesn't jump around when you move it. Should be available as an update soon.
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An update is available for the Id. It simplifies the menu and does away with the presets.
It should preserve your license, and if you are already in the user preset, keep your settings.
There is a possibility that you may have to restore your settings from the menu to get licensing back if the Id thinks it's gone, in this case you'll lose the User settings and will have to redo them.
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There will be an update in an hour or so available for the Id.
It will change how the Main menu looks (much simplified) and do away with the presets.
The menu is shown in the Installation Guide here:
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Id_Install_Guide
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BTW mine is working fine on port 8888.
My wish list.
Working BT keyboard and mouse support. Extra bonus points for BT audio streaming.
Working Wifi for joining networks or running its own DHCP for stand alone wireless networking. (like my Seagate wireless plus which also runs debian.)
:)
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Logitech wireless keyboards and mice work.
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Thanks Jim Is that 2.4G wireless USB dongle keyboard and mouse or BT key/mouse?
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Nice surprise to see wireless networking working great job! :)
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Wireless 2.4, for keyboard. This one, for example:
http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Wireless-Keyboard-Built-In-Multi-Touch/dp/B005DKZTMG/
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Nice surprise to see wireless networking working great job! :)
It's not wireless Ethernet. You can't connect your computer with the Id wirelessly yet.
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It's not wireless Ethernet. You can't connect your computer with the Id wirelessly yet.
Yes you can now. Theres a new right click on desktop that brings up the wireless settings in GUI mode. I have the Id connecting to my home network via 2.4Ghz Wireless network! It also connects to my Seagate wireless 1TB drive which has built in DLNA server ands DHCP server! :). I didn't notice it last night so I think its new in 19.0.139. Works perfectly! :)
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No way! That's good news. Last time I tried, it didn't work.
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No way! That's good news. Last time I tried, it didn't work.
Here's a quick YouTube video of it in action.
http://youtu.be/SsUqARhxrc0
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Thanks for doing that.
It's an Id, as in hid, mid, bid, Sid, by the way, not an I.D, as in identification.
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Wireless isn't without its problems. After a reboot once I've had to reset wireless settings. In the Id Wicd App Under the wireless settings for the network I'm connecting to, I had to switch between WPA1/2 Hex and WPA1/2 Passphrase and back again to pick up the other DLNA renderers and servers. It works reliably once its up though.
PS. And wireless network continues to work in text mode after rebooting from GUI mode! ;)
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Mine's still stuck in UK customs:)
But anyone have any view on sound quality?
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The first batch of Id's have Intel's bios version 32 on them. Updating to 34 may help with some wireless connectivity issues. There is a blurb about that in the bios release notes.
The update page is here:
https://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?agr=Y&ProdId=3782&DwnldID=23879&ProductFamily=Desktop+Boards&ProductLine=Intel%C2%AE+NUC+Boards+and+Kits&ProductProduct=Intel%C2%AE+NUC+Kit+DN2820FYKH&lang=eng (https://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?agr=Y&ProdId=3782&DwnldID=23879&ProductFamily=Desktop+Boards&ProductLine=Intel%C2%AE+NUC+Boards+and+Kits&ProductProduct=Intel%C2%AE+NUC+Kit+DN2820FYKH&lang=eng)
I've just been using the raw bios update file FY0034.BIO on a gpt formatted usb stick and the bios update command.
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Mine's still stuck in UK customs:)
But anyone have any view on sound quality?
My experience so far is that it is limited only by the DAC or output device it connects to. There's no particular audio coloration or alteration of its own.
I can't say I'm totally enamored by the Audioquest Mosquito (I only bought one because that's all the Id was said to work with right now), but it's not bad for the price. The Mosquito does take a few days of operation to 'settle in'. Before then it's downright horrid sounding.
As Id system drivers get added to use direct output DAC's with their digital or higher quality analog outputs you'll realize its full capabilities. It seems to be on par any other MC, which is to say, quite excellent.
--Bill
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With the latest update installed, you should be able to select your USB audio device.
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Id_Audio_Devices
It may take a little trial and error.
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The Id should work with any driverless class 1 USB DAC. That means most DACs that go above 96k won't work because they're classified as class 2 DACs and need drivers. Some of the class 2 DACs will work in legacy mode without drivers upto 96k if they're backwards compatible. The Matrix USB to SPDIF should also work, I've got one on the way to use with my FiiO E17 DAC so I'll let you know.
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The Id should work with any driverless class 1 USB DAC. That means most DACs that go above 96k won't work because they're classified as class 2 DACs and need drivers.
I was under the impression that this was a Windows limitation, and that both OS X and Linux have native UAC2 support.
Certainly, when I plug my DAC into a Mac in UAC2 mode it just works, without having to install any drivers.
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It depends on the wheezy kernel version being used. But you're right. It might work off the bat with class 2 DACs too.
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I know the Id is for audio but will it also allow streaming of video?
dave
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Maybe some day. It may take a higher power CPU. It will take a lot of work on MC to do it on Linux, and we have started working on it now.
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The minute it works with video, count me in on an order
dave
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Hi Jim, Bob and MC users!
The Id works in my car running off a 12V cigarette lighter power cable running straight into the back.
I've been able to use it as a DLNA controller, as a man in the middle for JRemote rendering on the iPhone and my Seagate Wireless Plus 1TB running as a DLNA server.
Just as I had hoped I can now use JRiver in the car with my wireless 1TB storage using iPhone/JRemote to stream Bluetooth to my cars headunit with full AVRCP BT control from the steering wheel or headunit.
Id3 text displays on the headunit, driver instrument cluster and of course JRemote. I can skip, forward etc from the steering wheel or the headunit. (that's what AVRCP does on BT with compatible BT receivers)
Previously to use JRemote in the car I had to stream over 4G from my home server which chews up the data-plan pretty quickly!
Previously I also had to use 8player in the car to play FLAC back on the iPhone from the wireless Seagate.
Because JRemote caches database and images locally from the server its much nicer to navigate and use compared to 8Player, it's much faster for starters, and works much better than the clunky Seagate media app on the iPhone (which doesn't support FLAC).
This is especially important in the car when you have to keep your attention on driving!
I'll take some video when I have some more time!
PS. A simpler way of achieving this would be to replace the Id internal disk with a bigger 1TB SSD ($500) or even larger 2TB spinny disk ($250).
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Maybe some day. It may take a higher power CPU. It will take a lot of work on MC to do it on Linux, and we have started working on it now.
That's the kind of news I like to read. Good stuff.
Hi Jim, Bob and MC users!
The Id works in my car running off a 12V cigarette lighter power cable running straight into the back.
Way cool.
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The Id works in my car running off a 12V cigarette lighter power cable running straight into the back.
Great post. Incredible news! Thanks.
I've been watching SSD prices and thinking along similar lines.
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The Id works in my car running off a 12V cigarette lighter power cable running straight into the back.
Did you make the cable?
I've been able to use it as a DLNA controller, as a man in the middle for JRemote rendering on the iPhone and my Seagate Wireless Plus 1TB running as a DLNA server.
Just as I had hoped I can now use JRiver in the car with my wireless 1TB storage using iPhone/JRemote to stream Bluetooth to my cars headunit with full AVRCP BT control from the steering wheel or headunit.
Id3 text displays on the headunit, driver instrument cluster and of course JRemote. I can skip, forward etc from the steering wheel or the headunit. (that's what AVRCP does on BT with compatible BT receivers)
So you're controlling JRemote (not MC) using Bluetooth?
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No I bought a cable with a 5mm socket already on the other end. Yes JRemote is being controlled by BT in the car. Need AVRCP compatible BT car kit to control with BT and get id3 text on the car radio.
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It depends on the wheezy kernel version being used. But you're right. It might work off the bat with class 2 DACs too.
3.14
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On 3.14 UAC2 DACs are supported out of the box. Well most of them anyway. There are some that don't strictly adhere to the UAC2 standard which may still need drivers though.
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3.14
Id PI :) Nice ambigram.
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And still mine is stuck with UK customs, well parcelforce actually. And I'm missing all the fun.
Still delivery is promised for tomorrow :)
I'm sailing in a couple of months time. I'll take my id with me. MC, going boldly where no media centre has been before!
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I'll be posting a demo of the Id running in the car shortly.
Showing setup for headless wireless operation;
- Using Id as headless DLNA controller on JRiver MC 19.0.141 on Intel bios 34
- Using Seagate Wireless Plus 1TB drive (on firmware 2.3.0.14 running miniDLNA server that it comes setup with)
- Using iPhone5S with JRemote 3.01 streaming from Id to BT car kit with full AVRCP text/control and stereo BT Audio. (via the iPhone)
Video converted from GoPro Hero3+ black @1080P50 to Youtube. :)
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http://youtu.be/6HFUq7QgnvQ (http://youtu.be/6HFUq7QgnvQ)
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Hilton,
You're amazing! Thanks.
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No worries mate! :) I'm enjoying my new toy immensely!
I tried putting the html tags exactly like that but it wouldn't work for me. I probably don't have permission to add html code. :)
Video finished processing!
I guess while that's still processing I should explain a little more about how it actually works.
I tried creating an Adhoc network with the Id but I'm not sure that functionality is working yet. The configuration settings are there for it, but they either don't work, or I need a bit more help getting it going.
In any case.... You need to create an adhoc network for stand alone wireless use of the Id when you don't have a wireless access point handy, and that's where the Seagate Wireless Plus comes in handy for portable use.
The Seagate runs its own DHCP server and also acts as a wireless router.
I load up all the music on to the Seagate by connecting it on USB3 and using a JRiver MC19 portable device profile, to convert and sync media to the drive.
When that's done I disconnect it from the computer and the drive starts up in wireless mode.
It does its thing scanning for a while when you first go into wireless mode after a sync with the computer. (it can be hours before it finishing indexing depending on how much you put on it)
I then connect the iPhone wirelessly to the Seagate wireless network, and also connected the Id to the Seagate wireless network.
Once that's done it takes a few minutes for the Seagate DLNA server to show up, I can then mount that library off the Seagate onto the Id, fire up JRemote and configure it with the Id's assigned IP address. (I looked up its IP with the Seagate media app on the iPhone.)
Once JRemote is connecting I rebooted the Id into headless mode. It remembers the settings I set and defaults to the last library on reboot.
I then simply plugged it into the car, waited a minute or 2 and it just came up connected to the Seagate automatically and JRemote picked up from where it was.
This has been consistently repeatable! :) My only wish now is to get a web browser interface to change libraries like you setup in the last update, to change audio devices in headless mode.
PS. When I need internet access while in the car I use a portable rechargeable 4G wireless access point, but to keep it simple for the demo I didn't use it. When you use the Seagate as the wireless router you loose internet connectivity on the iPhone, using the portable 4G modem/AP gets around this limitation. I need to set the 4G modem as an auto connect option on Id so if it's turned on the Id will connect to it instead of the Seagate, and the Seagate then connects to the 4G modem too. There's no data going in/out on the 4G network unless Im using the iPhone for maps or internet/email stuff, Its just acting as a portable Access Point and can handle up to 10 networked devices. I use it for my Surface Pro 2 tablet which doesn't have 4G built in.
I just thought of another way to use the iPhone as the access point in personal hotspot mode but it requires setting it up from the computer first so that the Seagate will default to connecting to the iPhone and so the Id also defaults to the iPhone. That should do away with the need for another separate device and enable wireless routing and internet from the iPhone simultaneously.
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Great video! Thanks! It's fun to watch someone who can walk and chew gum at the same time.
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Great video! Thanks! It's fun to watch someone who can walk and chew gum at the same time.
No worries it was fun. :) Not sure if "chewing gum" is a saying in the US or you think I was chewing gum. My guess is it means "walk and talk" ?? (I wasn't chewing gum BTW) ;)
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I just tested an Id as a Handheld in MC. It works. Just add the device, browse to the network path and save it. I chose to encode everything to MP3, just to test.
It worked perfectly.
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I tired to purchase the Id on the link below yesterday
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When looking at the pricing on the wiki page and what I paid yesterday, I am now completely confused and not sure anymore what I paid for...
Can someone kindly confirm if I have bought the right equipment or not?
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Ok... The good news is the Id will tether with the iPhone wirelessly in headless mode in the car. (as long as I set it up in GUI mode first so it defaults to the iPhone Personal Hotspot).
This allows me to play whatever's stored on the Id internal library, to the iPhone, and then stream it via BT to the car, just like in the demo I did yesterday. Using it this way I can still use the phone for navigation, internet etc and access the Id at the same time.
The bad news.. and its no fault of the Id, is that the Seagate Wireless wont tether with the iPhone in personal hotspot mode, which means I cant use it in this mode with the Id.
If I want to use the Seagate and have internet access while in the car I have to use my portable 4G router as I mentioned above.
Its not all bad though, I'll get a 1TB SSD and do an upgrade on the Id to keep it simple for iPhone tethering with the Id. Might have to get some assistance from Bob on that one to do the upgrade! :)
If I wanted to get really silly with it. (after all a 1TB SSD is a bit of overkill isn't it!) I can also use the Id with the iPhone as a controller and use the Id with the E17DAC in the car with line-out from the E17DAC into my line-in on my car headunit.
The line-in socket happens to be in the centre arm rest where I put the Id when Im in the car.
Doing this is somewhat overkill in a noisey car environment, but it means I could listen to 96k/24 bit-perfect via analogue rather than compressing it via BT streaming on the iPhone. (the BT streaming quality is actually very good with my BT kit and doesn't sound raspy or compressed like others i've heard)
The Seagate Hybrid 1TB SSHD (ST1000LM014) might be a good option for $129. The hybrid drive has 8Gb Nand flash for a fast booting Id with huge capacity. :)
Thoughts Bob?
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I tired to purchase the Id on the link below yesterday
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When looking at the pricing on the wiki page and what I paid yesterday, I am now completely confused and not sure anymore what I paid for...
Can someone kindly confirm if I have bought the right equipment or not?
That was an old link. The price is $295 plus shipping, at this time.
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Are you able to reject the order and refund?
Thanks,
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Thanks,
I'm really sorry about the misunderstanding as well...
I wanted to avoid having to install Linux and doing the setup by myself, but as I need at least three units, the total cost (although the pricing is very good) is holding me back...
I will try the Linux version soon and get back to buy a permanent license of all works like I am dreaming of,
Thanks once more,
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Just a quick follow up on my in-car experience with the JRiver Id.
Today I added a small cheap $40 DC-DC converter to clean up and filter the power going to the Id from the 12v cigarette lighter adapter.
The Id (NUC) is particular sensitive to over voltage and noisy power and would sometimes just turn off to protect itself, particularly when starting the car.
Car power systems vary from 10v to 14.8v and the built in Id power supply protection is a little fussy about its power source.
The converter I bought converts voltage source between 12v and 24V down to 1.5, 3, 7.5, 9 and 12v but only down to 9v from 12v and it does some filtering on the power as well.
The Id seems to be happy and stable with the regulated 9V supply voltage and hasn't shutdown on me since I put the dc-dc adapter in.
I'll post a couple pics later.
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There is an update to the Id MC which you can get by choosing updates on the device.
It should put to rest the problem of the registration getting undone.
You may have to restore settings (77) once to get back your registration if it's not there after you update.
This release also has more fine-grained control over the HDMI screen sleep and integrates DPMS control.
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Hi Bob,
Per our PM, I installed this update yesterday afternoon with no problem and no licensing issues. It came up with an existing playlist still active (from a previous DLNA) render and I hit play to let it continue. Sometime after midnight that night (this morning) the system crashed. See attached. You can't see it in the picture due to white crush, but it was in mid-song playback (flac) of song 15 / 23 in the playlist. I'm sure in the time it was up it had repeated that playlist a number of times (it's in repeat).
--Bill
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Hi Bob,
Per our PM, I installed this update yesterday afternoon with no problem and no licensing issues. It came up with an existing playlist still active (from a previous DLNA) render and I hit play to let it continue. Sometime after midnight that night (this morning) the system crashed. See attached. You can't see it in the picture due to white crush, but it was in mid-song playback (flac) of song 15 / 23 in the playlist. I'm sure in the time it was up it had repeated that playlist a number of times (it's in repeat).
--Bill
I think we need to get a memtest into that boot menu. If you were feeling like it you could use memtest86 on a usb stick.
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There is an update available, MC only that should finally take care of the registration issues for those that switch between ethernet and wifi.
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Great stuff Bob.
I got External USB drives auto-mounting and un-mounting now.
:)
I've passed my code on to bob to tidyup or use as ideas for his own work. Good luck bob! :)
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I got my 2 TB portable drive and every other usb drive I've got working (including a 12TB USB RAID array with hardware raid)
The drives automount / unmount with a script I made when you plug them or unplug them in both the gui and text modes.
Any USB drive should work though I've only tested it extensively with ntfs partitions on several USB drives. Bob was already working on something so hopefully this will speed up the formal release.
It all works really great!
I can switch from text to gui and back, unplug and replug and it works every time now.
Edit: this is fixed now - must have been a problem related to "dirty shutdown" problem Bob's working on - The only thing I haven't done yet; if the usb is already plugged in during boot it wont mount until you unplug and replug it in.
Im sure Bob will work that one out.
Another useful tool I added which might be handy from the Id text menu is wicd-curses that gives you wifi and network control in text menu from a terminal window so you don't have to boot into gui to see whats happening with the network. You can stop/start/join see signal strength etc in a text menu reminiscent of old Norton commander. Hopefully Bob will have a look at adding that one in too because its just a small add-on to the existing network tool already being used.
Cheers
Hilton
PS: it even handles multiple usb drives on different usb ports and usb flash drives. :)
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I got A2DP stereo headset profile Bluetooth audio working tonight with my Jaybird Bluebuds X Bluetooth headphones. :)
Still working on the iPhone which is a bit more temperamental.
Im on a roll!
Screenshots to come.
(http://rj9g6w.dm2301.livefilestore.com/y2pw4OSU-B2X_9C7bttjYmYc-3wA8RiPyYqErxak93qX3DjFvS-PNDIEpg_WA6DEHqYUNTVlyzjWA35WFgClO39llbD23FO8aOnJ3ueleEJMY8/Id-Bluetooth.jpg)
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I'm sailing in a couple of months time. I'll take my id with me. MC, going boldly where no media centre has been before!
I just noticed this. Sailing as in boat? Any pictures? Destination?
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I've given the Id a good workout over the weekend.
I have a few observations now that I have all my music on it in original formats. That's about 19000 tracks (~500GB) in a mixture of MP3, M4A, FLAC 2ch/6ch, APE, SACD ISO, AC3 and Wave DTS Audio. (modified - ~100GB usable standard for internal storage - External USB storage support is coming)
1. The Id Rocks. (standard feature)
2. It plays all formats locally just great. (standard feature)
3. SACD, APE, AC3 and DTS wont stream to JRemote, but that's a limitation of JRemote decoding. (standard feature)
4. Even my 6ch Flac files stream to JRemote and down convert to 2ch. (standard feature)
5. It changes bit rates and sample rates without skipping a beat. (standard feature)
6. Some of my larger playlists over 3-4000 tracks time out in JRemote sometimes when trying to load. (bug? JRemote issues not sure?)
7. Tethering with iPhone using personal hotspot works great, it even re-connects by itself if the network drops. (standard feature)
8. I've been able to use it in headless mode for 2 days in the car without a single problem. (standard feature - with a 12v dc cigarette adapter and power filter)
9. Streaming to the iPhone on JRemote in 24bit 96k plays bit-perfect through my E17 DAC/AMP connected to the iPhone. (enjoyed a long 3hr session listening with HD600s and it was wonderful!) (standard feature)
10. I used the GUI quite extensively for about 4 hours and didn't have a single crash. I was retagging music, and setting up all my standard smart playlists. (standard feature)
11. Im running Xfce4 desktop which I prefer over the default fluxbox. (which I needed for some of the add-ons im using like BT Audio etc) (modified)
12. I worked out how to change libraries with MCC commands from a web browser without a monitor attached. (standard feature) (would be good to add that to the standard web view Bob/Matt like you did with audio device change, as its a portable device, it has more scope for changing libraries compared to a machine that stays at home)
12. At this point you could say my Id isn't exactly a standard Id anymore. I've only made a few small changes though and it's still working fantastically.
My Mods include USB support, BT Audio support, Network configuration from text menu, upgraded desktop, but all other features are standard.
Would you like some screen shots and more video of it in action? :)
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Yes, please. Thanks again for all your Id love.
A word of caution for others reading. We don't expect the Id to be customizable. If customization is needed, please consider building your own device, using the standard Linux version of MC. It's not for the faint of heart.
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Yes, please. Thanks again for all your Id love.
A word of caution for others reading. We don't expect the Id to be customizable. If customization is needed, please consider building your own device, using the standard Linux version of MC. It's not for the faint of heart.
Yes that's a good point, this kind of customisation isn't for the faint of heart, but some of these ideas will eventually work their way into the standard Id so people don't have to go through that learning curve. :)
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Teaser pics of the Id setup for a video demo. More to come tomorrow.
(http://ttu5vg.dm2301.livefilestore.com/y2ptUndo4c6Bje4HT5Oq6hT2LYepIcxYgCFQzMnuIJeKissfDv_hGHxsnn0IBxIHhGRp7M73DG50fHW1OEvAvL7cM0jDS6WxzvSjUUT-IqJf5Q/photo%203.JPG)
(http://ttu5vg.dm2301.livefilestore.com/y2pelkPMoYpUMmhtfRq8tbWnV8UR-PB7MMI2s987QER2jlusECBacIjflDgcZ2TUqrzO3IBRO7IosCiDoeyl_z-VxwaF2hxIA7WKqJH9eW4P20/photo%204.JPG)
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I don't see any beer cartons.
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I don't see any beer cartons.
Don't drink much on school nights, bad enough that I'm staying up to till 2am tinkering! The coffee machine gets a good workout though!
I worked out how to get adhoc networking going in the Id, so you can use it in a stand-alone environment without routers.
This way you can take the Id away with you and just connect any wifi enabled device to it to control it or stream music on to a JRiver, JRemote or Gizmo device.
That too is standard functionality out of the box that Bob's built in that just hasn't been explored yet. I'll go into it in one of my demo videos.
You guys will have noticed I have it working well in the car, I'll also be taking the Id away on trips and holidays to plugin with HDMI or the mini-plug for music playback and streaming to kids iPhones, Androids and tablets. When it does video, it will be my portable video player too! :) My daughter will be able to listen to whatever she wants in the car. :) I don't have to listen to the wiggles anymore and stuff around with limited storage of the iPad!
Mobile car use as a music/video server... there's a whole new market for you that you can also cross sell to the desktop MC19. :)
I can see it now.... "Built-in JRiver Id car kit"
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It did occur to me, once you had yours going in your car.
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I am somewhat new to this stuff and as such, have newbie questions. Basically, what are the advantages of having the Id vs using the laptop to drive my external hard drive with my rips on it? Any help or expanded answers in general are greatly appreciated.
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MC updated to 19.0.146 for the Id. Just run the update function. It adds the auto-import fix for it's network share.
There is a rather large update, mostly internal stuff coming soon. I'll give a notice when it's ready.
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The update worked fine for me.
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I got my Id a couple of weeks ago but finally got a chance to test it properly this evening.
The purchasing experience was one of my best online experiences, both Jim and especially Deanna were incredibly helpful and friendly and made getting the box here to Canada as quick and painless as possible.
The NUC boxes are really sexy looking - perhaps you could have the JRiver logo etched in to the plexiglass top once you go in to full production mode.
Right out of the box, I had issues. When I turned the Id on, I was greeted with an error:
'PXE-E53: No boot filename received
PXE-M0F: Exiting PXE ROM.
Reboot and Select proper Boot device
or Insert Boot Media in selected Boot device and press a key'
I reread the installation instructions 3 more times just to make sure I wasn't being a techno dunce, and then did some googling and came to the conclusion there was some issue with the SSD drive. I decided to open the bottom of the Id and sure enough, the problem was evident. The SSD drive hadn't been screwed in to the mounting bezel and had (presumably) disconnected from the SATA port during shipping. I'm not sure if this was a conscious choice or just an oversight because of the production rush, but you may want to look in to it. Once I pushed the SSD drive back in to it's slot, everything booted up just as it should.
My purpose for buying the Id was to play back my collection of high resolution music, which is primarily multichannel. All my PCM-based material has been ripped from disc to FLAC, and SACDs ripped to ISO using a modified PS3. I'm currently using a Popcorn Hour A300 for playback, but the GUI on it leaves a lot to be desired, and it doesn't handle DSD files at all. I have no need at the moment for any of the higher-level functions of the Id (streaming, etc.) all I want to do is to hook it up to my AVR (Denon 1910) via HDMI and have the GUI onscreen while I'm playing back music.
I figured I would copy a few different types of files to the internal SSD drive on the Id to test playback, to eliminate as many variables as possible. I copied a stereo/5.1 SACD ISO, DSF and DFF tracks extracted from the same SACD ISO, 5.1 24/96 FLAC files, 4.0 (Quadraphonic) 24/96 FLAC files, and stereo 24/96 FLAC files. After playing through the various files, a couple of major problems seem to have cropped up:
1) The channel assignments for 5.1 playback seem to be wrong. I noticed it almost immediately when lead vocals were coming out of one of the rear speakers, so I downloaded a 5.1 channel check FLAC file from the Linn Records (http://www.linnrecords.com/linn-downloads-testfiles.aspx) website and it confirmed my findings. This is what I'm getting:
FLAC FILE SPEAKER
FL FL
FR FR
RL C
RR LFE
C RL
LFE RR
So basically the Centre and LFE channels on the FLAC file come out of the rear left and rear right speakers, respectively, and vice-versa. This seems to hold true for both PCM and DSD sources.
Strangely, my 4 channel FLACs seemed to play back properly, so it doesn't seem like a simple channel assignment mismatch. If it was just that, channels 3 & 4 (rear left and rear right) of a 4 channel flac should be coming out of the centre speaker and subwoofer like they were on the 5.1 FLAC. I'm not sure why it's doing this because MC19 on my laptop via HDMI to my amp handles the same files just fine.
2) DSD playback, or more accurately DSD to PCM conversion. My amp doesn't handle DSD (or DoP) so the Id has to the conversion from DSD to PCM and I don't think it has enough horsepower. 5.1 and stereo DSD go in to a cycle of repeatedly stuttering and then buffering, and the same behaviour occurs both from the ISO file and the extracted dsf and dff files. It seems that in retrospect, I extrapolated (possibly incorrectly) from JimH's early comments that the Id could play DSD files, and that the Id could play multichannel files, that it would be able to handle anything I threw at it. Having done some googling after the stuttering became evident, it now seems that the benchmark of the Id isn't nearly high enough to do the DSD to PCM conversion. Am I correct in thinking this?
So at the moment I'm left with a device I really really want to like (and I love MC19 like everyone here, I assume) but between the multichannel outputs being swapped and it not being able to convert DSD to PCM, it seems like it's effectively useless for me. Can I get a refund if that's the case?
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You can certainly return the Id within 30 days for a full refund.
The channel mapping should be right. If you're using a test file, perhaps you could share a link.
The Id may not handle real time DSD conversion. A more powerful CPU may be needed. You could convert a few files in advance to test.
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2) DSD playback, or more accurately DSD to PCM conversion. My amp doesn't handle DSD (or DoP) so the Id has to the conversion from DSD to PCM and I don't think it has enough horsepower. 5.1 and stereo DSD go in to a cycle of repeatedly stuttering and then buffering
I've personally tested Stereo DSD64 playback on the Id, and it did manage that just fine.
I'm not sure about multi-channel, I'll have to dig up a file again.
Do you know if your SACD/DSF uses DST compression? That may push the CPU requirement up quite a bit.
If it does simply exceed its raw performance, there isn't much we can do about that, except try to make the conversion faster, but that only works up to a point.
Regarding the channel order, I'll double check. What kind of audio device are you using? USB DAC? HDMI?
If there is something wrong with the multichannel out, we'll get it fixed definitely.
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Can the Id be used as a stand alone with no other pc? I am envisioning using the Id with a usb hard drive and nothing else. Is that possible?
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It's possible to run the Id by itself. It currently doesn't support a USB drive, but it has enough open space on the drive to store about 300 CD's at lossless quality.
The Id runs Samba, so it shows up on a network as a drive you can copy files to. MC will then auto-import the files.
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Do you know if your SACD/DSF uses DST compression? That may push the CPU requirement up quite a bit.
If it does simply exceed its raw performance, there isn't much we can do about that, except try to make the conversion faster, but that only works up to a point.
Multichannel DSD requires DST compression, so unless it has been removed through conversion from ISO/DFF to DSF (which does not support DST compression) it's very likely due to the CPU in the id not being up to the task.
Even if you have a multichannel DSD DAC, where Media Center is only removing the DST compression without converting to PCM, I doubt the id could handle it.
I would probably recommend offline conversion to PCM if you're wanting to use the id for multichannel SACD playback.
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There is an update for MC available that fixes the incorrect multichannel output mapping. Tested on HDMI.
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Multichannel DSD requires more CPU power than the Id can muster. 2ch DSD is fine though. If you convert to multichannel PCM first on another PC it will playback multichannel just fine. ( as suggested above)
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I was referring to the channel mapping of any multichannel material to the ALSA device, it was incorrect previously.
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Thanks Bob yes I got that, I noticed it too when doing some multi channel testing but have had the problem before in windows MC19 and a reboot fixed it, so I just dismissed it. Glad its been picked up and fixed though. :) I was referring to the CPU capability to decode multichannel DSD, the Id CPU sits above 85% peaking to 98% so it just runs out of puff decoding multichannel DSD. Every other multichannel format I've thrown at it is fine though. It's right on the limit, so with some code tweaking it might be able to do it. Fingers crossed!
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Getting ready for my trip, I found that the Id can be set as a handheld device in MC and you can sync files to it.
Tools>Options>Handhelds>Add Device
Use Browse to find the Id. It's under Network. My full path was: \\Idname\Media\Music.
The sync took about 25 minutes to fill the drive.
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Getting ready for my trip, I found that the Id can be set as a handheld device in MC and you can sync files to it.
Tools>Options>Handhelds>Add Device
Use Browse to find the Id. It's under Network. My full path was: \\Idname\Media\Music.
The sync took about 25 minutes to fill the drive.
Hey that's pretty cool! I never thought of that. I was plugging my USB drive into my media PC to do a handheld sync, that sounds much simpler!
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I am somewhat new to this stuff and as such, have newbie questions. Basically, what are the advantages of having the ID vs using the laptop to drive my external hard drive with my rips on it? Any help or expanded answers in general are greatly appreciated.
Your laptop could probably do most of what the Id does if you're willing to manually install Linux and MC.
The Id is a packaged set of hardware and software. Setup and maintenance problems are reduced or eliminated. It may be best suited to a person who prefers not to manage an operating system in order to play high quality music.
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Just to clarify. Will this not work with a DAC like the MyDAC that requires USB drivers for 24/192 playback?
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Just to clarify. Will this not work with a DAC like the MyDAC that requires USB drivers for 24/192 playback?
From what I can make out micromega are quiet on the subject:
http://www.micromega-hifi.com/docs/en/notices/notice_dac_uk.pdf (http://www.micromega-hifi.com/docs/en/notices/notice_dac_uk.pdf)
but if you dig, you might find better advice.
Can't speak for the Id, but if you search around on the general subject of compatibility of the MyDac more globally with Linux then you should gain some confidence about whether it should play nicely with the Id. Probably what you've already done. Thought I'd be that "someone", stating the obvious.
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Just to clarify. Will this not work with a DAC like the MyDAC that requires USB drivers for 24/192 playback?
That depends: does it require drivers because it's a UAC2 DAC, and Windows lacks native UAC2 support (typically these support OSX without needing a driver) or does it require drivers because it's proprietary?
If it's a UAC2 device, it should just work on Mac/Linux.
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According to this list the mydac should work with the build of Linux that the Id uses.
(The Id is not directly related to the build from this site but it's using a debian distro which is based on the same kernel)
http://www.ap-linux.com/documentation/supported-dacs/ (http://www.ap-linux.com/documentation/supported-dacs/)
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That depends: does it require drivers because it's a UAC2 DAC, and Windows lacks native UAC2 support (typically these support OSX without needing a driver) or does it require drivers because it's proprietary?
If it's a UAC2 device, it should just work on Mac/Linux.
I can't tell, honestly, though it does work with Macs natively, so that points to the lack of UAC2 support. I'm concerned about future compatibility with other DACs , though I guess most of the good ones don't require drivers, or...?
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UAC2 DAC support is built into the Linux kernel that the Id uses.
If the DAC is fully compliant with UAC2 then it will work with the Id.
There are DACs out there which are not fully UAC2 compliant and therefore need their own proprietary drivers even under Linux.
The MyDac appears to be fully UAC2 compliant so no Linux drivers are required.
All UAC2 DACs do need drivers under windows though because Windows only supports driverless USB 1.1 DACs natively. (some will run in USB1.1 compatibility mode without windows drivers at a reduced maximum sample rate of 96/24)
Don't confuse Windows driver requirements with Linux requirements though. :) Linux has the UAC2 compatibility built into the kernel.
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How long will this stay at the introductory price?
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How long will this stay at the introductory price?
I'm curious too. Might be in the market for one in a few weeks.
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We haven't yet set a date. Sorry. It depends partly on the cost of parts.
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Will there be a warning before price goes up?
Another question: how audible is the fan?
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Probably.
If you're more than a foot or so from the box, it is inaudible.
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Sorry if this has been answered before, but can I connect this wirelessly to my WD MyCloud NAS with all of my music stored on it?
Is it possible to use Spotify or Google Play Music with the ID?
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Sorry if this has been answered before, but can I connect this wirelessly to my WD MyCloud NAS with all of my music stored on it?
Yes - I do this with a Seagate wireless 1TB drive.
The DLNA server on WD Mycloud NAS will work the same except its wired via Ethernet. If you have the WD connected to a wireless router then it will work wirelessly with your existing wireless router.
Is it possible to use Spotify or Google Play Music with the ID?
That's a No and no. However, with the windows or mac versions of media centre, you can use theatre view or standard view to access Spotify or google play in media centres built in web browser, but they both wont use media centre for audio unless you run in loopback mode. Suffice to say it works but it will take a bit of help from the forum members to get you going with it.
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How do you deal with the common mode noise that the Intel NUSs spit out over USB? Do you make any hardware mods to these computers before reselling them?
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Any plans for an A/V renderer along the lines of the Id?
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Yes, but it will take some time.
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In livingroom I have a setup as follows: QNAP (has library of files); QNAP runs Asset (DBPoweramp DLNA server) via ethernet to OPPO 105. The JRiver Id seems very interesting to bypass the playersoftware in the OPPO 105 which is middle-ages. If the Id has an USB out to USB B from OPPO that will work, but the OPPO needs drivers to work. Can those be loaded unto the Id?
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In livingroom I have a setup as follows: QNAP (has library of files); QNAP runs Asset (DBPoweramp DLNA server) via ethernet to OPPO 105. The JRiver Id seems very interesting to bypass the playersoftware in the OPPO 105 which is middle-ages. If the Id has an USB out to USB B from OPPO that will work, but the OPPO needs drivers to work. Can those be loaded unto the Id?
What kind of drivers? (redistributable?)
Does it then appear to the Id as a standard audio device like a usb DAC?
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Video should be coming by the end of the year:
http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=91188.0
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For questions, please use this thread (http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=91344.0).
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There is an update to Media Center on the Id. Run the update function on the Id to get it.
It incorporates the current set of fixes and changes the device selection back to the previous method which should help finding some troublesome DAC's.
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Split: Running MC's DLNA Server as a Service (http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=91663.0)
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Bob got the Id to play video today, using MC20. There's more work to do, but it may work on the existing hardware.
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Video works on the Id now. We're still not sure what the limits are.
If you have an Id, you can update and try it.