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Title: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: JimH on June 26, 2014, 06:55:49 am
Play to Gizmo

Zone sync
http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=83434.msg618293#msg618293

WDM driver   Done

Intercom
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: JimH on June 26, 2014, 06:36:51 pm
DLNA Streaming (to get around lack of support for gapless playback)
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: JimH on June 27, 2014, 06:22:29 am
DSP settings per track.   Done

Duplicate prevention, detection, and repair.  Commonly a drive letter change can cause it.

Consider making web page links to specific settings in the program.  (Click "DLNA Server Settings" to get there in MC.)
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: Hendrik on June 27, 2014, 06:38:01 am
Improved transcoding/streaming of video - multichannel audio, flexible video profiles, GPU accelerated video encodingencoding

Video Quality presets for ROHQ
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: JimH on July 03, 2014, 06:21:32 am
Better spectrum analyzer.  Better instrumentation for sound engineers?
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: JimH on July 04, 2014, 11:27:34 am
Touch screen.  Scrolling in Standard View.   Done

Press and hold to magnify.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: JimH on July 10, 2014, 10:08:56 am
Unified setup for Theater View, Gizmo and JRemote.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: JimH on July 24, 2014, 01:04:52 am
Better handling of Internet radio stations.  You can do it now by saving them to a playlist, but it's awkward and hard to explain.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: glynor on July 26, 2014, 02:39:38 pm
Unified setup for Theater View, Gizmo and JRemote.

+1
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: mwillems on July 26, 2014, 02:49:04 pm
Better spectrum analyzer.  Better instrumentation for sound engineers?

+1, especially if that would include a graphical display/model of the effects of parametric equalizer filters.

Also very excited about zone syncing and the full roll out of the WDM driver.  

It looks like 20 is shaping up to be a blockbuster!
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: AndrewFG on July 26, 2014, 03:23:02 pm
DLNA "Auto" setting ...
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: cncb on July 26, 2014, 04:19:06 pm
'Images' improvements: http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=81978.0
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: glynor on July 26, 2014, 04:45:10 pm
Video streaming (with automatic transcoding on the fly) to:

1. JRemote    Done

2. MC Clients over the WAN     Done

Also, Video for MC Mac.  Natch.   Done
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: BryanC on July 26, 2014, 05:13:10 pm
Playlist editing/deleting from library clients or while library clients are connected (at least fixing the current issues).

DATE_FIRST_RATED tag.   Done

Search history.   Done

Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: kensn on July 26, 2014, 05:22:15 pm
Better handling of Folder.jpg in Album directories so if files are moved jpg goes with them.

+1 streaming to Gizmo

Intercom... for reals??
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: glynor on July 26, 2014, 05:37:33 pm
Intercom... for reals??

This thread was in the admin area for a while.  I kept my comments to myself until he made it public, and maybe jmone did too.  But when I saw that there, I couldn't believe he didn't have a small meltdown.
/me thinks they were messing with jmone.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: jmone on July 26, 2014, 07:39:20 pm
 8) jmone could have been messing with JimH.  8)
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: glynor on July 26, 2014, 08:12:46 pm
8) jmone could have been messing with JimH.  8)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAA
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: jmone on July 26, 2014, 09:25:56 pm
I really like most of the stuff in this thread (MC20 will be great edition) and I think a few of these can be grouped:

Remotes:
- Play to Gizmo as a Zone
- Link the Zones
- Unified Setup for Remotes
- Local File Playback
- Playback all media types available (eg Radio Streams, TV etc)

Core Enablers
- WDM Driver
- Improved Trandscoding/Streaming Video Profiles
- DLNA Auto Config
- Video Quality Presets / Auto Config

Front End Improvements
- Touch Screen
- Internet Radio Station Presentation
- Particle Mgt (final stuff to fix (http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=83730.0))


...and of course, once Gizmo is a Zone you could do 2 way comms with it!
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: park on July 27, 2014, 01:09:23 am
Unified setup for Theater View, Gizmo and JRemote.

+1
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: Hendrik on July 27, 2014, 04:58:21 am
Video streaming (with automatic transcoding on the fly) to:

1. JRemote
2. MC Clients over the WAN


2. is already possible today. You configure the encoding settings in the client, and then just play a video and it'll stream a transcoded version. I use it quite often when I'm at my parents, f.ex.

1. is supported in principal by MC19 today, just JRemote lacking support, maybe next release?!? :)
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: rpalmer68 on July 27, 2014, 07:25:46 am
Don't forget the poor lost particle!!  It still needs some love too ......

Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: glynor on July 27, 2014, 10:21:35 am
2. is already possible today. You configure the encoding settings in the client, and then just play a video and it'll stream a transcoded version. I use it quite often when I'm at my parents, f.ex.

I hadn't tried it in a while.  Previously, it was pretty touchy and poorly performing with a bunch of my sources.  I will though!  That's exactly what I want... For traveling.  Not to have to bring an external drive with my laptop.

1. is supported in principal by MC19 today, just JRemote lacking support, maybe next release?!? :)

 :o  :D
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: Listener on July 27, 2014, 10:42:25 am
'Images' improvements: http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=81978.0

+1 on improvements to image managements in general.

Viewing / editing images from one library while playing music from another library would make MC my choice for image management..

I put a lot of effort into ripping CDs and getting the tags as I want them. (Mostly classical music and other genres where composer info is very important.)  Music goes into my permanent library and stays.  Images come in, go through a winnowing process and the remaining ones go through a further selecting process.  The last thing I want to do is to mix music files and images in one library.  As it stands, using MC for image management and music requires some really awkward kludges for me.

MC's facilities for tagging images and for using those tags in views are first rate.  I haven't found anything better.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: Listener on July 27, 2014, 11:10:57 am
Something like panes views for tablets via Gizmo / webGizmo. 

Panes views on a PC screen are my tool for seeing what's in my music library.  MC remembers what's there so I don't have to.  I find that a one-field-at-a-time category view feels like tunnel vision and just doesn't work to show me what's in my library.  Being able to see lists of values for several fields as I make selections is the key advantage of panes views for me.

Over time, I expect to use a tablet more and a PC less as my UI portal to MC.  I want to retain that ability to see what's in my library when I'm using a tablet for browsing my library.

I understand the size limitations of a 7" or 9" screen but I think that it would be possible to adapt the concept of panes views to a tablet screen.  Drop down lists are a possibility.  The way that right-click context menus are placed depending on the location of the item right-clicked goes a clue about techniques for small screens too.

Making a panes-like view workable on a phone sized screen would be a greater challenge.  (A 6" phablet screen might be usable though.) I'd suggest that JRiver focus on panes views for tablets initially
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: glynor on July 27, 2014, 12:16:45 pm
I've been thinking about a nifty feature of Marco Arment's new podcatcher for iOS (https://overcast.fm/).  Basically, he's combined traditional manual Playlists (where they can be manually re-ordered) and Smartlists.

Of course, it works better in the context of a podcatcher, because the smarts of the smartlists mainly relate to priorities and sort-order.  But still, it made me think.

One thing that would be nice, and simple:

Right now, if you try to drag-drop on a Smartlist, you just get the Anti-Sign.  What if it let you do it, and just converted it "behind the scenes" to a duplicate manual list (perhaps called "<Smartlist Name> (Re-ordered)" or something)?  Preserving the original Smartlist, of course, but letting you reorder them on the fly and save them.

Kinda like how when you send a Smartlist to Playing Now, it can (with some clicks) "become" a manual Playlist.  Simplify all that, and just let you re-order them.

What do you think?
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: cncb on July 27, 2014, 01:56:06 pm
Allow adding tracks to playlists from Theater View.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: imugli on July 27, 2014, 07:30:28 pm
Stream live TV to Gizmo.
Gizmo as full second screen experience when watching video on main TV - Cover art, meta data etc. (Same as screen I get when I click "OK" on a show in the guide).
Schedule TV recording from Gizmo.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: InflatableMouse on July 28, 2014, 12:58:01 am
Video playback on Linux  8)  :-*   Done
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: imugli on July 28, 2014, 07:19:10 am
Further to my above comments -

Theater View mode for Gizmo. Literally a small screen version of theater view on my tablet or phone, as per attached files. Text could be scaled larger to be more finger friendly on a mobile device, but you get the picture.

If Gizmo is set to play to the device, the "Watch" or "Play" command would go to a screen similar to current (or open the video). If it's set to play to a different zone, the "Watch" or "Play" text toggles to "Watching" or "Playing".

Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: wig on July 28, 2014, 07:19:24 am
Virtual Sound Card
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: imugli on July 28, 2014, 07:26:07 am
Video playback on Linux  8)  :-*

This. I know it's coming, but this :-)

Finally let me do away with Windows on my HTPC :-)
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: InflatableMouse on July 28, 2014, 07:40:18 am
One other feature that has been suggested once or twice that would be cool is to record with MC, for instance to do vinyl rips.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: mojave on July 28, 2014, 11:56:41 am
How about an updated Tag Action Window (http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=78261.0) with in-place, collapsible list field editing.     Done

Shouldn't take long to implement.  ;D
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: glynor on July 28, 2014, 11:12:18 pm
I don't know if you were looking for little features or big features, but here's one I've wanted (and gotten a bunch of +1s on before) for a good, long while.  It is a little thing, really (no comment on the PITA level because who knows):

Allow us to Control-Click in the Panes to multi-select (ala List Type Fields) on any string-type field, and then just write the results to the field semicolon-delimited.

[Artist] and [Genre] are special, as you know.  This is good, because it makes it easy to re-tag an improper [Genre] and [Artist] as needed, while still allowing people to use Multiple Genres and Artists as wanted, without messing up Tagging for the more common case.  But, it is annoying when you DO want to edit these fields to include multiple Genres or Artists, of course.  This would be a simple and intuitive compromise.  (In fact, I know I accidentally do it over and over expecting it to work, and I think in previous threads, others did too.)

You can even make the regular List-Type fields work the opposite way, clearing previous contents if you control-click in the panes, if you don't think that'd be confusing (but it might be).
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: JimH on July 29, 2014, 02:04:35 am
Better itunes import.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: astromo on July 29, 2014, 05:13:34 am
Play to Gizmo

Please expand on what this means for me please. I can play up to 320kbps audio and 720p / 5.0Mbps video to Gizmo right now. For audio, I'd like the option of 16bit PCM or something similar that's effectively lossless.

I'd also be over the moon if Gizmo could play as a stand-alone device on my Android phone. I'd happily ditch the player app that I have on there now.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: Hendrik on July 29, 2014, 05:14:24 am
You can play from Gizmo, but not to Gizmo... :)
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: astromo on July 29, 2014, 05:27:30 am
You can play from Gizmo, but not to Gizmo... :)

Sorry for being dense but the way I look at it is the Gizmo currently streams (or pulls) media from the PC with MC loaded and plays locally to the device upon which the Gizmo app is loaded. So, that it appears to me that MC is playing to Gizmo. The other mode for Gizmo (at the moment) is that it controls where MC plays media to in terms of the zones that have been setup on the machine loaded with MC.

Is the idea to stream media to Gizmo and play it on the device, so that from MC media is pushed to Gizmo?
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: wig on July 29, 2014, 06:41:23 am
Is the small nagging issues category:

I would LOVE it if updated album art was refreshed during playback. Getting instant satisfaction out of replacing crappy or missing album art would be incredibly...satisfying.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: jmone on July 29, 2014, 06:43:41 am
Intercom

Did I mention what an outstanding visionary JimH is?  ;D
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: mwillems on July 29, 2014, 08:59:04 am
Something that I would like to see, that a few other users have also expressed interest in (I think both natehansen66 and TheLion expressed interest, among others): I'd like PEQ to offer a few additional common crossover filter slopes as options for low-pass and high-pass, such as Linkwitz-Riley and Bessel, and maybe some of the exotics as well (Neville-Thiele or Horbach-Keele).  But I think having built in Linkwitz-Riley and Bessel filters would be my priority.

We can create Linkwitz-Rileys right now by staggering two of the existing butterworth filters, but there's no way to create any of the other filters.

And, even though we have a workaround for Linkwitz-Riley filters, it would be nice to have them directly integrated, primarily because they are more likely to produce a good experience for the end user than a butterworth: they work better "out of the box" than butterworth filters because they tend to sum flat at the crossover point, unlike butterworths which tend to introduce a 3dB lump at the crossover point.  That's one reason why "crossover in a box" type products for pro audio tend to use 4th order Linkwitz Rileys if they only offer one filter choice.

See this post for more details about why I think a Linkwitz-Riley option might be good, and might be a better default for room correction bass redirection filters: http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=88345.msg605777#msg605777

And here's a graph from the wiki illustrating the issue: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Linkwitz_vs_Butterworth.svg
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: TheLion on July 29, 2014, 09:24:32 am
Something that I would like to see, that a few other users have also expressed interest in (I think both natehansen66 and TheLion expressed interest, among others): I'd like PEQ to offer a few additional common crossover filter slopes as options for low-pass and high-pass, such as Linkwitz-Riley and Bessel, and maybe some of the exotics as well (Neville-Thiele or Horbach-Keele).  But I think having built in Linkwitz-Riley and Bessel filters would be my priority.

We can create Linkwitz-Rileys right now by staggering two of the existing butterworth filters, but there's no way to create any of the other filters.

And, even though we have a workaround for Linkwitz-Riley filters, it would be nice to have them directly integrated, primarily because they are more likely to produce a good experience for the end user than a butterworth: they work better "out of the box" than butterworth filters because they tend to sum flat at the crossover point, unlike butterworths which tend to introduce a 3dB lump at the crossover point.  That's one reason why "crossover in a box" type products for pro audio tend to use 4th order Linkwitz Rileys if they only offer one filter choice.

See this post for more details about why I think a Linkwitz-Riley option might be good, and might be a better default for room correction bass redirection filters: http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=88345.msg605777#msg605777

And here's a graph from the wiki illustrating the issue: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Linkwitz_vs_Butterworth.svg

I strongly second that. It is not just for the Digital XO crowd (which is arguably just a minor niche market), but also relevant for pretty much anybody who uses JRiver for bass management/(multiple) subwoofer integration. It would be a killer feature to provide the various filter types as mentioned by mwillems and also give the option of minimum and linear phase XO filter.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: Hendrik on July 29, 2014, 09:27:38 am
Sorry for being dense

We're not concerend with data flow, since thats always going to be the same direction (from MC to its remote peers).

Think control flow. Right now you always have to control in Gizmo for audio to come out of your phone. You play from Gizmo.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: JustinChase on July 29, 2014, 09:42:26 am
Improved transcoding/streaming of video - multichannel audio, flexible video profiles, GPU accelerated video encodingencoding

Video Quality presets for ROHQ

Not sure what you have in mind, but my laptop is a 1366 x 768 screen, but I sometimes push video to a 1920 x 1080 screen.  converting a native 1080p video to my laptop resolution is too much for madVR to do without dropping frames, but would be no problem to push that to it's native resolution on the TV.  If MC could be smart enough to 'know' this, and compensate, that would be great.

Unified setup for Theater View, Gizmo and JRemote.

Oh yes, pretty please!

DLNA "Auto" setting ...

This may be the same as I described above, or at least related.  Either way, "auto" settings for video/streaming would be most welcome.

Better handling of Folder.jpg in Album directories so if files are moved jpg goes with them.

yes, and also, please allow more than one jpg for an album, so we can have front, back, liner notes, etc, and have them scroll thru while viewing artwork during playback.

Video playback on Linux  8)  :-*

Oh yes, so very much yes, please! :)

Lack of video on Linux is the only reason I have to install windows on my HTPC.

As for a couple 'niggling' things I'd like to see improved...

This message should be moved and improved (http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=89905.0)

Detached view could use some love... (http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=89905.0)
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: TheLion on July 29, 2014, 09:52:39 am
Matt mentioned his interest of an "integrated auto EQ" solution some months ago. I would consider this a very nice addition.

Jim, Matt: I sent you a PM regarding this proposal
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: astromo on July 29, 2014, 03:56:56 pm
We're not concerend with data flow, since thats always going to be the same direction (from MC to its remote peers).

Think control flow. Right now you always have to control in Gizmo for audio to come out of your phone. You play from Gizmo.

OK - thanks. So what audio format will this work to? Will streaming 16bit or 24bit PCM be an option?
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: JimH on July 29, 2014, 06:59:38 pm
Did I mention what an outstanding visionary JimH is?  ;D

(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c177/Warm59/CarnactheMagnificent.jpg)
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: jgreen on July 29, 2014, 09:44:42 pm
I would like the ability to "group" within groups, each group collapsible within a title bar.  For example, group by artist, then by album. Or group by Series, then by season.

Oh, and Particles . . .
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: KingSparta on July 29, 2014, 09:45:30 pm
Johnny Carson, loved his show.

the tonight show went down hill after he left.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: jmone on July 30, 2014, 03:08:56 am
The ability to just remux a video file (instead of transcoding). 
- I'd use this to take one big Music Video recording (from a STB), particlise the tracks I want and then spit them out as single files.
- Others would use it to remux say a BD to a MKV
- Or remove adds from a TV recording
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: jmone on July 30, 2014, 03:15:03 am
Fine grain seeking for video (eg slow fwd / back).  So we can:
- Get time accurate info for create start/stop points for particles (currently way to course)... but really it is to
- Slow mo that scene from Basic Instinct (apparently it is the most frame by frame viewing of a movie segment of all time)
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: Hilton on July 30, 2014, 03:28:09 am
I know Gizmo as a Zone has been be discussed.

But what about other DLNA renderers as a zone?

JRemote for example or other well known renderers?

Another question I just saw in the forums, selective server transcode to client based on file type.
http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=90636.0
The example a user gave:, Having "Don't Convert" set, DSD streams at 24/352 which doesn't work.
Being able to set selective transcode by file type would fix this.  Convert if necessary often doesn't work as intended and it ends up transcoding when it doesn't need to.
Even better would be to apply a specific DSP based on file type for streaming to client.
DSP memories like EQ memories for example. Would be handy to emulate AVR presets too.

Combining the above 2 options:
Renderers as Zones, and being able to apply DSP on filetype (or even at the zone level) would be great too.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: Hendrik on July 30, 2014, 03:30:58 am
But what about other DLNA renderers as a zone?

DLNA renderers are already available as playback zones.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: Hilton on July 30, 2014, 03:35:01 am
DLNA renderers are already available as playback zones.

Your just talking about JRiver native renderers though aren't you?
Im talking about non-JRiver renderers.  My iPhone with JRemote doesn't show up and neither does my iPad.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: AndrewFG on July 30, 2014, 03:36:16 am
Another question I just saw in the forums, selective server transcode to client based on file type.
http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=90636.0
The example a user gave:, Having "Don't Convert" set, DSD streams at 24/352 which doesn't work.
Being able to set selective transcode by file type would fix this.  Convert if necessary often doesn't work as intended and it ends up transcoding when it doesn't need to.

The is the same as my proposed DLNA "Auto" setting.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: Hendrik on July 30, 2014, 04:04:03 am
Your just talking about JRiver native renderers though aren't you?
Im talking about non-JRiver renderers.  My iPhone with JRemote doesn't show up and neither does my iPad.

JRemote is not a DLNA renderer.
Any compatible DLNA renderer is immediately available as a playback zone.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: jmone on July 30, 2014, 04:08:11 am
Hiltonk, Gizmo / JRemote / eos etc arn't DLNA renderers but use MC's MCWS IF (MC's Web Services IF) to pull info and do stuff (like RC) and this is why they don't appear as a Zone you can push to.
Thanks
Nathan
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: raldo on July 30, 2014, 04:21:18 am
I'd like to see a feature where one can select files in a view and pass on this file list to a plugin


Here's how it should work:
- Select files in standard view.
- Right click mouse and select the plugin name. (registered via plugin API)
- On the plugin side, an event (or several events) is raised which contains a list of the selected files (or a list of file handles)

This would significantly increase the usability of plugins. Mainly because it increases the possibility of interaction with the user.

(As a note: When I made the PvdImport plugin a long time ago, I solved this by creating an executable which was called upon context menu clicks. This in turn communicated with the plugin using named pipes. PITA)

Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: jgreen on July 30, 2014, 08:47:36 am
+1 milliion on the remux/recut, although there are handy little tools out there now that get this job done (I'm pretty sure you know that).
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: Matt on July 30, 2014, 10:34:53 am
Allow adding tracks to playlists from Theater View.

Next build:
NEW: Files can be added to a playlist from Theater View (pick the Add to Playlist menu choice).
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: cncb on July 30, 2014, 12:34:47 pm
Next build:
NEW: Files can be added to a playlist from Theater View (pick the Add to Playlist menu choice).

Wow, thanks!  Please see my other requests about Images improvements to be added a few builds from now ;D.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: fitbrit on July 31, 2014, 10:40:35 am
Hiltonk, Gizmo / JRemote / eos etc arn't DLNA renderers but use MC's MCWS IF (MC's Web Services IF) to pull info and do stuff (like RC) and this is why they don't appear as a Zone you can push to.
Thanks
Nathan

I remember when this had me totally confused too.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: jmone on July 31, 2014, 03:50:25 pm
Yup, I too just thought... it was dumb not having Gizmo show up as a zone without giving any thought to how it connected to MC.  It was only when looking at some other Remote sw for the Tablets the light bulb went on (dimly but on).
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: jmone on July 31, 2014, 05:49:12 pm
Going back (way back) to JimH's "any media, anywhere, anytime" (forget the exact quote) aim for MC, here is my (very) old pic and how I see each segment:

Content Support: 8/10 - Most content that users want is supported.  Couple of edge cases keep coming up:
- MVC (BD 3D)
- BD Menus

Delivery: 9/10 - MC can read content from pretty much any source.
- A bit of clean up for adding/displaying Radio streams etc (can be done just not "easy")

Connectivity:  9/10 - MC supports pretty much all connectivity options.
- Maybe Radio Tuner cards (but with streaming options does anyone care?)

Consumption:  7/10 - This is one area that has seen more devices appear in the market and some areas that I think still need better support though with the new focus / and team members on "Remotes" this I expect will get a big bump along in MC20.  In particular:
- "Remotes" Clients : New improved/consolidated Gizmo/JRemote
- Portable Devices : I think the days of how users "Sync" content to devices like iPhones by plugging then in and writing to their DB is fading.  I'd much rather see that the new and improved Gizmo/JRemote app replace this concept entirely by using a local cache.  No need to use iTunes at all in this case and it can be done OTA as well as by cable.
- Media Streamers / DLNA : I find AndrewFG's discussion on this akin to that we had for the development of Red October.  It could remove all the fuss if done well and make this stuff "just work".  
- Audio Devices : AKA the Sonos Killer / Whole House media ideas.  Plonk down some active speakers/devices around the house and play content in sync to some/all etc
- PC/Servers : We still have some limitations for MC Clients, like local ripping, recoding of TV etc

Converter: 7/10 - Still a bit to do here:
- Format Shift:  As discussed, improvements and flexibility to the Video Conversions options (both for files and streaming)
- Time Shift:  Mostly for TV, not sure there is other Real Time content these days (Radio Streams??)
- Place Shift: Pretty good, you can now consume content from MC anywhere in the world though flexibility / auto config of the stream to match the connectivity capacity of the connection makes sense
- Device Shift: Few holes, eg I can not watch Live TV on a "remote" at all (does not go through the converter at present) and issues with live streams as MC just hands off the URL (does not go through the converter at present).

Thanks
Nathan
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: JimH on July 31, 2014, 06:21:51 pm
Is this the one?
http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=53986.0
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: jmone on July 31, 2014, 06:37:13 pm
Thanks, that is the one - Good to see how it has progressed over the years!
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: jmone on July 31, 2014, 08:27:50 pm
Better handling of Internet radio stations.  You can do it now by saving them to a playlist, but it's awkward and hard to explain.
+1 - It can look good but is hard to setup
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: datdude on July 31, 2014, 08:35:13 pm
This one won't be easy, but I'd love to see linking of metadata in Theater View. So if I view a movie and click on an actor, I can see their other movies.

I would also love to see youtube improved in theater view with fewer playback errors, linking to related videos and the ability to create video playlists.

Also a freshening of the theater view skin would be nice. I really like the simplicity, but having something more android or iOS like would be nice.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: cncb on July 31, 2014, 09:23:06 pm
Allow disabling of Delete function in Theater View for specific media types.  I only want it enabled for TV recordings so that "permanent" files can't accidentally be deleted.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: Scolex on August 01, 2014, 03:30:44 am
Not really a feature and more of an initial upgrade install item.
I have a pretty vast set of remote commands that use the .../system32/MCxx.exe functions.
When upgrading I have to burrow through my commands to change them to the new MC.
I would love to have this be automated or have an additional column for "Command Actions"
on the remote commands screen so I can see which ones need a change easier.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: gvanbrunt on August 01, 2014, 08:53:32 am
Been a while since I posted. Been really busy. Glad to see everyone (Matt especially) hard at work looking to improve things.

I would like to see the user accounts feature worked on a bit. There were many suggestions from everyone when it was originally implemented so I won't re quote them here. Personally I would like to see better security from the client side. IE the server only send the accessible information to clients... It's still quite easy to "get around" the security. Or it was last time I checked...
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: Tucson Brown on August 01, 2014, 09:53:39 am
Better handling of Internet radio stations.  You can do it now by saving them to a playlist, but it's awkward and hard to explain.

This. Please implement this. Currently, I have my radio streams saved as HTTPs in a playlist form, but as you said it's sort of a contrived solution. Also, it would be nice to have a shuffle feature for my internet radio stations. Can't figure out a way to do it currently, as the streams don't end. Maybe an option to have them shuffle every X minutes?
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: Matt on August 01, 2014, 10:33:09 am
DATE_FIRST_RATED tag.

Next build of MC20:
NEW: Added 'Date First Rated' field.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: skindzier on August 01, 2014, 10:51:33 am
DSP settings per track.

YEEESSSSSSS!  My suggestion would be to set up nameable DSP profiles that tracks could then be linked to - something like:
1.) Stereo
2.) Multi Channel
3.) Stereo Subwoofer + 5dB
.
.
.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: Daveyravey on August 01, 2014, 12:31:28 pm
Chromecast support for JRemote   Done

..............Pretty please  ;D
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: BryanC on August 01, 2014, 02:04:38 pm
Next build of MC20:
NEW: Added 'Date First Rated' field.

Awesome!
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: ken-tajalli on August 01, 2014, 02:40:09 pm
DSP settings per track.



+1000
please please please
DSP per track / album is my only request.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: AndyU on August 01, 2014, 03:19:19 pm
Bookmark a playlist, so that you can resume it where you stopped listening.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: gvanbrunt on August 01, 2014, 03:54:51 pm
Oh, and I also vote for removing the secret intercom functionality from 2 years ago before jmone finds it. It's quite amusing watching him keep asking for it.. er wait a min, I meant to post this in the secret MC 17 with Intercom forum.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: astromo on August 01, 2014, 04:13:31 pm
DSP settings per track.

Agree and support this.

I'd like to see this feature by media type. I'd like to apply a certain DSP setting to suit all video playback that's separate from audio. Specifically, for Adaptive Volume I'd like to opt for "Night Mode" when playing video and leave audio playback set to "Peak Level Normalise".

I find that "Night Mode" is a good way for dealing with oddities in recording levels that sometimes creeps into video and I'd prefer to avoid going into the media and jigging the level manually.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: retro on August 01, 2014, 04:15:46 pm
Something that I would like to see, that a few other users have also expressed interest in (I think both natehansen66 and TheLion expressed interest, among others): I'd like PEQ to offer a few additional common crossover filter slopes as options for low-pass and high-pass, such as Linkwitz-Riley and Bessel, and maybe some of the exotics as well (Neville-Thiele or Horbach-Keele).  But I think having built in Linkwitz-Riley and Bessel filters would be my priority.

We can create Linkwitz-Rileys right now by staggering two of the existing butterworth filters, but there's no way to create any of the other filters.

And, even though we have a workaround for Linkwitz-Riley filters, it would be nice to have them directly integrated, primarily because they are more likely to produce a good experience for the end user than a butterworth: they work better "out of the box" than butterworth filters because they tend to sum flat at the crossover point, unlike butterworths which tend to introduce a 3dB lump at the crossover point.  That's one reason why "crossover in a box" type products for pro audio tend to use 4th order Linkwitz Rileys if they only offer one filter choice.

See this post for more details about why I think a Linkwitz-Riley option might be good, and might be a better default for room correction bass redirection filters: http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=88345.msg605777#msg605777

And here's a graph from the wiki illustrating the issue: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Linkwitz_vs_Butterworth.svg

+1
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: natehansen66 on August 01, 2014, 05:00:52 pm
Something that I would like to see, that a few other users have also expressed interest in (I think both natehansen66 and TheLion expressed interest, among others): I'd like PEQ to offer a few additional common crossover filter slopes as options for low-pass and high-pass, such as Linkwitz-Riley and Bessel, and maybe some of the exotics as well (Neville-Thiele or Horbach-Keele).  But I think having built in Linkwitz-Riley and Bessel filters would be my priority.

We can create Linkwitz-Rileys right now by staggering two of the existing butterworth filters, but there's no way to create any of the other filters.

And, even though we have a workaround for Linkwitz-Riley filters, it would be nice to have them directly integrated, primarily because they are more likely to produce a good experience for the end user than a butterworth: they work better "out of the box" than butterworth filters because they tend to sum flat at the crossover point, unlike butterworths which tend to introduce a 3dB lump at the crossover point.  That's one reason why "crossover in a box" type products for pro audio tend to use 4th order Linkwitz Rileys if they only offer one filter choice.

See this post for more details about why I think a Linkwitz-Riley option might be good, and might be a better default for room correction bass redirection filters: http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=88345.msg605777#msg605777

And here's a graph from the wiki illustrating the issue: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Linkwitz_vs_Butterworth.svg

Yep! +1

It would also be nice to copy/paste/save in the PEQ. We can use different zones but it would be nice to be able to do so in the PEQ. Also more than 2 PEQ windows would be good. I'd like to see the Q of a filter in the list of current filters as well.

The WDM driver has been mentioned many times but I'll throw it out there again  ;D

Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: mutato on August 01, 2014, 06:33:09 pm

WDM driver


+1

Does this mean you have found a WDM driver programmer?
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: dean70 on August 01, 2014, 07:59:02 pm
Play to Gizmo

Zone sync
http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=83434.msg618293#msg618293


Can it work the other way if you are using Gizmo to drive MC headless as a remote? E.G. A ZoneSwitch rule changes the active zone in MC, send a notify out to Gizmo to change its 'Play to' zone, so that the Playing Now screen & volume control in Gizmo works correctly.

Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: dualazmak on August 02, 2014, 08:42:08 pm
Quote
DSD (DSF) sound quality improvements!  Even though MC 19's DSD (DSF) sound quality is very nice at present, I feel Korg's new AudioGate 3.02 sounds slightly better than MC19 with high-end audio system.  I do not know the deteils of the difference between the two, but really hope you could incorporate DSD (DSF) sound quality improvement with MC20.  Today, I purchased the upgrade license, and very much looking forward to trying MC20 very soon.
I will move this post to feature request page;
http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=90662.0
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: Amadan on August 03, 2014, 01:09:57 am
Open linkable columns in new tab. As already requested here:

http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=84856.msg579779 (http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=84856.msg579779)
http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=84735.msg578845 (http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=84735.msg578845)

Thx,
Stefan
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: Matt on August 03, 2014, 09:32:50 am
+1

Does this mean you have found a WDM driver programmer?

I'm a (bad) WDM driver programmer.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: hoyt on August 03, 2014, 11:35:22 am
Stream live TV to Gizmo.
Gizmo as full second screen experience when watching video on main TV - Cover art, meta data etc. (Same as screen I get when I click "OK" on a show in the guide).
Schedule TV recording from Gizmo.

+1

I'd like to use Gizmo during watching broadcast TV on my HTPC.  My mindset is that I should be able to see the Guide view on Gizmo, and then select a show in the guide that changes the channel on the HTPC.  That way my tablet can show me the program, information about it, but still be the remote for the HTPC.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: retro on August 03, 2014, 11:43:08 am
I'm a (bad) WDM driver programmer.

Well, get some books and educate yourself when at home.. ;D

I also wan't the WDM-driver badly...
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: Matt on August 03, 2014, 11:46:58 am
Well, get some books and educate yourself when at home.. ;D

I also wan't the WDM-driver badly...

That was my way of saying it's done already.  We need to simplify the install, but the code is there.  Like I said, I'm a bad driver programmer so take it with a grain of salt ;D
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: retro on August 03, 2014, 11:54:02 am
Great news Matt!
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: RedJ on August 03, 2014, 02:47:54 pm
Gizmo is really in need of some TLC.  I would like to be able to:

 rate from Gizmo     Done

 search within subcategories, such as Media Type, Artist, Album, etc.
 create playlists
 disconnection recovery
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: JimH on August 03, 2014, 04:04:21 pm
You can rate from Gizmo.  You need a recent version.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: mutato on August 03, 2014, 05:04:54 pm
That was my way of saying it's done already.  We need to simplify the install, but the code is there.  Like I said, I'm a bad driver programmer so take it with a grain of salt ;D

Great. Ordering MC20.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: bytestar on August 03, 2014, 06:09:08 pm
Better search result Output see Screenshot

Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: dafloydman on August 04, 2014, 06:41:13 am
Unified setup for Theater View, Gizmo and JRemote.
great suggestion
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: rec head on August 04, 2014, 10:11:06 am
DSP settings per track.

This sounds good to me.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: 6233638 on August 04, 2014, 10:13:13 am
Unified setup for Theater View, Gizmo and JRemote.
great suggestion
I think it depends on the implementation.
I don't want to see the same views in Theater View (video-focused) as I do with JRemote (music-focused)
 
The configuration for Theater View/Gizmo is very convoluted right now, so I wouldn't mind a simpler interface.
 
I would also like some ability to assign a user to Gizmo views, or set up different servers with separate access keys/passwords, similar to how you can assign different views to DLNA devices.
Currently it just displays content for whichever user is active in Media Center.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: ferday on August 04, 2014, 10:45:39 am
Better handling of Folder.jpg in Album directories so if files are moved jpg goes with them.


Not just jpg!  Either: a file path move option (cue, log, PDF, etc) or the ability to work around it (file path relational tags, the ability to copy/paste custom tags, I'm sure there are other workarounds)

This one is mega huge for me, and my only "real" desire. 

Remux would be nice but there are some very good, small and fast tools that do just fine, integrating it more into MC would be a nice experience though.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: MrHaugen on August 05, 2014, 03:32:06 am
Please consider focusing more on Theater View in this version. I strongly believe that the masses mainly focus on a couch interface for their media centers, and it would probably speed up new user count substantially if this was improved.

Suggested improvements include stuff like:
- Better Touch handling in Theater View (touch mode with different behavior?). It's pretty cumbersome on for example the Surface Pro 2.
- Custom (?) Icons for different file tag values. Like Channels (stereo, 5.1, 7.1), Sound encoding (DTS, DD, DPL), video resolution etc. Ability to add those to the info panels.
- Ability to show summary details on TV Show, Series, Season, Movie, Music, Artist and Album views. With information like Total Movies, Total Series, Total Seasons (within a season), number watched, number not watched, average track rating for albums etc etc. This requires some new fields, or a system to automatically count number of plays, number of files etc. for each underlying view.
- Add a Toolbox or similar page in Theater View, where you can do on the fly and temporary sorting, filtering and view type settings. Perhaps with the ability to change it permanently. This would help new users tremendously, instead of asking them to go into a rather heavy option area in standard view.
- Adding ability to add manual art for movies, series and music. Option to have those files enforced, instead of the online slide show.
- Adding option for Banners (series)
- Ability to change position and size of info panels.
- Ability to add summary fields and similar to main menu. Like the latest 5 movies, episodes, albums. Videos not yet fully watched...
- Openly asking skinners what functions they are missing in Theater View skinning, and adding those. A better 3'rd party skin development would help JRiver tremendously. A huge skinning team is one of the biggest advantages of other Media Centers.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: InsaneRC on August 05, 2014, 07:14:27 am
Please consider focusing more on Theater View in this version. I strongly believe that the masses mainly focus on a couch interface for their media centers, and it would probably speed up new user count substantially if this was improved.

Suggested improvements include stuff like:
- Better Touch handling in Theater View (touch mode with different behavior?). It's pretty cumbersome on for example the Surface Pro 2.
- Custom (?) Icons for different file tag values. Like Channels (stereo, 5.1, 7.1), Sound encoding (DTS, DD, DPL), video resolution etc. Ability to add those to the info panels.
- Ability to show summary details on TV Show, Series, Season, Movie, Music, Artist and Album views. With information like Total Movies, Total Series, Total Seasons (within a season), number watched, number not watched, average track rating for albums etc etc. This requires some new fields, or a system to automatically count number of plays, number of files etc. for each underlying view.
- Add a Toolbox or similar page in Theater View, where you can do on the fly and temporary sorting, filtering and view type settings. Perhaps with the ability to change it permanently. This would help new users tremendously, instead of asking them to go into a rather heavy option area in standard view.
- Adding ability to add manual art for movies, series and music. Option to have those files enforced, instead of the online slide show.
- Adding option for Banners (series)
- Ability to change position and size of info panels.
- Ability to add summary fields and similar to main menu. Like the latest 5 movies, episodes, albums. Videos not yet fully watched...
- Openly asking skinners what functions they are missing in Theater View skinning, and adding those. A better 3'rd party skin development would help JRiver tremendously. A huge skinning team is one of the biggest advantages of other Media Centers.

What he said. +1
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: raldo on August 05, 2014, 08:17:12 am
- Add a Toolbox or similar page in Theater View, where you can do on the fly and temporary sorting, filtering and view type settings. Perhaps with the ability to change it permanently. This would help new users tremendously, instead of asking them to go into a rather heavy option area in standard view.

+1.

But do you have any suggestions on GUI implementation? That's probably the hardest thing to get right, especially on a 5 button remote.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: BayensF on August 05, 2014, 08:55:32 am
Hi, :)

I don't know if this request is for MC 20 or for JRemote. I think it needs updates on both.

What I would like is that with JRemote the "remote" touch path is not only functional in Theater view but also in the other views, including a keyboard function.

I know some might say we have other apps like Mobile Mouse to do it, yes only point is that I don't like to switch apps.

Also very important, I want only one app to explain to my wife ;D
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: gvanbrunt on August 05, 2014, 09:06:22 am
I'm only asking for one item, but it is a big one: I would like to see moving many of the items in the options panel for Theater View moved to skins. Examples include font size, icon size, file info panel, templates etc.

My reasons are simple:
- with the exception of font size, I would bet money that very few regular users use these features.
- I would also bet that all that do use them could modify the same settings in a skin.
- People complain constantly in the forums that skins do very little to change the look. Not surprising when the big ticket items are in the options panel.
- Most people would be happier picking a skin and having it change the look extensively, rather that spending hours tweaking settings.

So moving them is basically a win win situation. Everyone gets to have what they want. Newbs, Power Users, and skinners. And hopefully more new purchasers so JRiver wins as well...
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: BayensF on August 05, 2014, 09:13:23 am
Other need and I hope I can explain.

Within DSP I do the filtering of my active stereo loudspeakers with BASS, MID and HIGH. Using ASUS D2X soundcard I have 8 channels and use 6 of them.

In DSP I can only select 5.1 channels as output to have 6 channels available in PEQ. The result is attached.

What I would like is that within the "Output Format" down mixing to 2 channels is done, and then the left and right signal can be "copied" to other channels available on the soundcard.
These channels should then show up in PEQ.

I hope it's clear if not, feel free to come back to me.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: MrHaugen on August 05, 2014, 09:30:35 am
+1.

But do you have any suggestions on GUI implementation? That's probably the hardest thing to get right, especially on a 5 button remote.

My first thought was to replace the Small Info Pane with such options. Here's a quick mockup. If the area for use is the info pane, it would certainly be more space for some graphical improvements as well.
Options for the Appearance view could be things like List Styles, Placement of the Info Pane (right or left), caption options, skin selection and so on.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: JimH on August 05, 2014, 09:33:28 am
Please use another thread for design discussion. 
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: kredmore on August 05, 2014, 05:03:42 pm
Ability to Stream with SiriusXM.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: Soshanna on August 06, 2014, 12:34:18 am
DSP settings per track.

 ;D   Yes! oh please yes!!   :-*
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: Mike48 on August 06, 2014, 02:12:12 am
Better handling of Internet radio stations.  You can do it now by saving them to a playlist, but it's awkward and hard to explain.

+1  What you said is true
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: raldo on August 06, 2014, 03:05:19 am
Ok, I know that there is a party mode but in party mode, all changes to files/DB are rejected.

I need something in between full access and no access. Sort of a limited access mode. Or maybe a simple edit mode

I'd like to release my wife/kids on MC. They're quite adept on computers but MC standardview is complicated and I can see scenarios where they'll destroy.

Is it possible to limit access to, say:
o Change caption on single file.
o Apply certain keywords on single files.
o Create playlists (and destroy those playlists).
o Add files to those playlists
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: apgood on August 06, 2014, 04:41:57 am
Please consider focusing more on Theater View in this version. I strongly believe that the masses mainly focus on a couch interface for their media centers, and it would probably speed up new user count substantially if this was improved.

Suggested improvements include stuff like:
- Better Touch handling in Theater View (touch mode with different behavior?). It's pretty cumbersome on for example the Surface Pro 2.
- Custom (?) Icons for different file tag values. Like Channels (stereo, 5.1, 7.1), Sound encoding (DTS, DD, DPL), video resolution etc. Ability to add those to the info panels.
- Ability to show summary details on TV Show, Series, Season, Movie, Music, Artist and Album views. With information like Total Movies, Total Series, Total Seasons (within a season), number watched, number not watched, average track rating for albums etc etc. This requires some new fields, or a system to automatically count number of plays, number of files etc. for each underlying view.
- Add a Toolbox or similar page in Theater View, where you can do on the fly and temporary sorting, filtering and view type settings. Perhaps with the ability to change it permanently. This would help new users tremendously, instead of asking them to go into a rather heavy option area in standard view.
- Adding ability to add manual art for movies, series and music. Option to have those files enforced, instead of the online slide show.
- Adding option for Banners (series)
- Ability to change position and size of info panels.
- Ability to add summary fields and similar to main menu. Like the latest 5 movies, episodes, albums. Videos not yet fully watched...
- Openly asking skinners what functions they are missing in Theater View skinning, and adding those. A better 3'rd party skin development would help JRiver tremendously. A huge skinning team is one of the biggest advantages of other Media Centers.
+1
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: gworrel on August 06, 2014, 07:47:12 pm
"Duplicate prevention, detection, and repair."

Yes. One of my external drives recently lost connection. I found most of the missing files in a backup location. Then I fixed the drive (SATA connection failed, USB works fine) and now I have duplicates. I know it is possible to remove them but it will take me two hours to find the best method in the forum, experiment, test, then finally get it mostly right. JRiver Media Center has great functionality but if that functionality is only accessible by the programmers and a few cognoscenti then the rest of us are often spinning our wheels.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: glynor on August 06, 2014, 09:15:59 pm
I think you should just implement my modified Watched functionality (http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=85974.5) "officially" and replace the current behavior of Watched() with it.  Because it is better.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: RedJ on August 06, 2014, 10:12:44 pm
You can rate from Gizmo.  You need a recent version.
I do have the most recent version, I just forgot that feature got added.  To be honest, I haven't been using Gizmo as much lately due to previous frustrations with the other items on my list (it's just plain easier and more reliable to find and play what I want from my library using Google's Play Music).  I'll try spending some more time with it, but the ability to do easier searches by being able to narrow down the search parameters (through the GUI) and the ability to create playlists are still pretty high on my wish list.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: MrHaugen on August 07, 2014, 04:04:17 am
I think you should just implement my modified Watched functionality (http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=85974.5) "officially" and replace the current behavior of Watched() with it.  Because it is better.

+1
That would be a quick addition, and a small one many would appreciate. The current implementation are not great. And on top of that, the function it one third broken.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: This2ShallPass on August 07, 2014, 06:10:33 am
Better handling of Internet radio stations.  You can do it now by saving them to a playlist, but it's awkward and hard to explain.

Love this! It would allow my wife to use MC, and then she would be an ally, not an opponent...
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: Jonahsdad on August 07, 2014, 08:47:28 am
I would like to be able to create custom "liner notes".  My suggested solution is a database field that takes one or more hyperlinks.  Or multiple such fields.  Maybe the link opens in a new tab?

I often sit on the couch listening to music with my laptop in hand controlling the stereo system via Media Network.  It would be nice to be able to click through to my own collection of info related to whatever I'm listening to. 

Phil
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: jctcom on August 07, 2014, 06:44:56 pm
This has been requested before but I haven't seen it list in the new features for MC20.

Would love to see a "Add After Current Album" option.  So that those of us that like to listen to whole albums can add an album as "Next To Play" without interrupting the current album and without having to add it to the end of the playlist.

Carl.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: gheinzel on August 08, 2014, 03:42:51 am
A simple sleep timer that shuts down or puts windows to sleep would be great. I like the Media Monkey features of the Sleep timer as a reference point. This would allow me to use only one streaming software for my music. :)
Thanks for considering
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: GaryWW on August 08, 2014, 07:20:53 am
- BD Menus

+1 million (so I don't need an external player).
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: kstuart on August 08, 2014, 02:06:06 pm
DVR-ing of Live Webcasts (these are usually in Youtube , so just doing it for Live Youtube Webcasts is fine).

(even recording of Live Youtube Webcasts would be a big help.)

[ Glynor +1-ed this when it was originally suggested in the other forum. ]
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: andrewt on August 09, 2014, 12:20:05 am
Gizmo is really in need of some TLC.  I would like to be able to:

 rate from Gizmo
 search within subcategories, such as Media Type, Artist, Album, etc.
 create playlists
 disconnection recovery

Yes please!  particularly disconnection recovery. I'd love gizmo to be  able to resume playback from where it was.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: cgf on August 09, 2014, 09:53:12 pm
Unified setup for Theater View, Gizmo and JRemote.
+1
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: cas on August 10, 2014, 12:56:35 am
1. Better memory management (JRiver19 hang too oft)
2. .NET 4.5.2 support
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: JimH on August 10, 2014, 07:16:06 am
1. Better memory management (JRiver19 hang too oft)
There are no known problems that could cause that.  Please start a thread with more details.  Antivirus programs can cause problems like that.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: Gustovier on August 10, 2014, 12:08:23 pm
Please consider focusing more on Theater View in this version. I strongly believe that the masses mainly focus on a couch interface for their media centers, and it would probably speed up new user count substantially if this was improved.

Suggested improvements include stuff like:
- Better Touch handling in Theater View (touch mode with different behavior?). It's pretty cumbersome on for example the Surface Pro 2.
- Custom (?) Icons for different file tag values. Like Channels (stereo, 5.1, 7.1), Sound encoding (DTS, DD, DPL), video resolution etc. Ability to add those to the info panels.
- Ability to show summary details on TV Show, Series, Season, Movie, Music, Artist and Album views. With information like Total Movies, Total Series, Total Seasons (within a season), number watched, number not watched, average track rating for albums etc etc. This requires some new fields, or a system to automatically count number of plays, number of files etc. for each underlying view.
- Add a Toolbox or similar page in Theater View, where you can do on the fly and temporary sorting, filtering and view type settings. Perhaps with the ability to change it permanently. This would help new users tremendously, instead of asking them to go into a rather heavy option area in standard view.
- Adding ability to add manual art for movies, series and music. Option to have those files enforced, instead of the online slide show.
- Adding option for Banners (series)
- Ability to change position and size of info panels.
- Ability to add summary fields and similar to main menu. Like the latest 5 movies, episodes, albums. Videos not yet fully watched...
- Openly asking skinners what functions they are missing in Theater View skinning, and adding those. A better 3'rd party skin development would help JRiver tremendously. A huge skinning team is one of the biggest advantages of other Media Centers.


Yes. This, would go a very long way to making the product more main stream. You have tons of functionality just need to get the aesthetics and INTUITIVE workflow right (eye candy goes a long way as well). If SageTv would have done this they wouldn't have needed to sell out to Google.  Learn from those mistakes.

Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: JimH on August 10, 2014, 02:35:54 pm
Yes. This, would go a very long way to making the product more main stream. You have tons of functionality just need to get the aesthetics and INTUITIVE workflow right (eye candy goes a long way as well). If SageTv would have done this they wouldn't have needed to sell out to Google.  Learn from those mistakes.
Thanks for the advice, but we're doing pretty well as it is.  "intuitive" could mean anything.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: satfrat on August 10, 2014, 04:54:17 pm
Thanks for the advice, but we're doing pretty well as it is.  "intuitive" could mean anything.

How about bringing back what was taken away from us since MC16, specifically Mini View Skins? I sure do miss my Amped2 Mini View Skin, all though I do appreciate the advances you've made with DPS Studio. :)

Cheers,
Robin
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: 6233638 on August 10, 2014, 05:21:04 pm
How about bringing back what was taken away from us since MC16, specifically Mini View Skins? I sure do miss my Amped2 Mini View Skin, all though I do appreciate the advances you've made with DPS Studio. :)
Replaced with CD Art Display support - though the site for CAD appears to be dead now?
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: fitbrit on August 11, 2014, 02:33:52 pm
is it possible to have this feature :
Capture frame from video and save it to jpeg image
Would like to keep a photo of your favourite movie scene
Use a Frame capture feature to do that easily.
take screenshots in jpg or bmp formats and define their filename format.

thank you

Did you know that there are still some other threads that you haven't posted this to? You might want to try those after you've had a rest. Also, the forum software allows you to create as many threads as you want, so you could make multiple requests, each with a slightly different title. Each one bumps somebody else's thread off the front page, so pretty soon the whole forum could be your request. So what if your question has been answered (at least twice)? You may have also sparked a discussion that could increase MC's capability in this issue. Who knows what more good could come about if you just keep on posting this?

 :)

And welcome to the forums.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: JimH on August 11, 2014, 02:37:30 pm
I combined some and moved them to the MC19 board.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: Matt on August 11, 2014, 03:27:42 pm
This has been requested before but I haven't seen it list in the new features for MC20.

Would love to see a "Add After Current Album" option.  So that those of us that like to listen to whole albums can add an album as "Next To Play" without interrupting the current album and without having to add it to the end of the playlist.

Carl.

Next build of MC20:
NEW: Added Play > Add (after current album) to play files after the current album ends.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: deaf.com on August 11, 2014, 03:42:16 pm
Love the software and think there is nothing better but a few suggestions below mainly practical user interface suggestions. I only have it a few months so maybe some of these things are already there. Please feel free to let me know if they are, first post so go easy on me, only trying to help…
•   Make the loopback feature easier to use (more automated) and permanent so that if I play anything outside of JRiver it goes though JRiver for parametric equaliser etc. If I want to turn it off I just turn it off. There should be no need to go into windows playback device settings to toggle defaults.
•   Make access to the web through JRiver easier, i.e. for playing youtube, sound cloud etc. Right now I can’t see a simple way other than choosing google via browsing artists, maybe there is but it is not obvious
•   Make the tab list on the left hand side fully editable, there are a number of things there I never use and the just make it difficult to access what I want.
•   Always be able to show the bit rate of the song being playing in the now playing bar. Can’t remember why it does not show this for me now but I remember reading on the forums at some stage that this is the way it ends up I think when one of the DSP settings are used.I think it only show the bitrate of what is going to the DAC not the bit rate of the song.
•   In theatre mode make netflicks and youtube more like they are on the web, for both you need to know what you are looking for and causal browsing is difficult
•   Have the option to always include all audio and or video when using the search bar. Really annoyed the way I have to be in artist tab to find an artist. If I am browsing an album or ripping something I have to go back to the artist tab to search for a new artist.
•   Make it easier to import settings for parametric equaliser from REW
•   I used another media program where a box would open up in the  corner automatically with details about the artist and song, I think from wiki. I liked that, can’t see that JRiver has this.
•   Have the JRemote show bit rate, very important to me, other details would be good too.
•   In Jremotea  long press  on a song brings up the option to go to artist or album that the song is from similar to google play music
•   Have JRemote have a playing now button always on top right and be able to toggle between it and the menu one had been in previously
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: 6233638 on August 11, 2014, 04:08:59 pm
•   Make the tab list on the left hand side fully editable, there are a number of things there I never use and the just make it difficult to access what I want.
Open the options window (Tools → Options) and search for "Features" at the bottom of the window. You can disable features that you don't use. (e.g. video, images, documents etc.)
Any other item can be removed from the tree by right-clicking and selecting delete.

•   Always be able to show the bit rate of the song being playing in the now playing bar. Can’t remember why it does not show this for me now but I remember reading on the forums at some stage that this is the way it ends up I think when one of the DSP settings are used.I think it only show the bitrate of what is going to the DAC not the bit rate of the song.
Bitrate is a real-time display and only works when the Memory Playback option is disabled.   Done
 
It might be useful for Media Center to display the average bitrate (what appears in the bitrate field) when Memory Playback is enabled.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: Marc on August 11, 2014, 04:28:21 pm
Windows MC20 serve video to Mac MC20...   Done
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: Gustovier on August 11, 2014, 10:00:09 pm
Thanks for the advice, but we're doing pretty well as it is.  "intuitive" could mean anything.


I'll try and create some concrete examples that might be a little more constructive. There's nothing wrong with trying to do better than you already are :-)
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: JimH on August 11, 2014, 10:03:52 pm

I'll try and create some concrete examples that might be a little more constructive. There's nothing wrong with trying to do better than you already are :-)
Imagine that we are.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: kstuart on August 12, 2014, 07:28:01 pm
Next build of MC20:
NEW: Added Play > Add (after current album) to play files after the current album ends.
That reminds me... that for several years I've been requesting:

Add Album to Playing Now    Done


This would consist of the software doing a "Locate Album" followed by an "Add to Playing Now" (once again to force the computer to automatically do things that we currently have to do manually).

That last request had somewhere between 5 and 10 "+1s" IIRC.

Thanks !

( For example, if you right-click on "When I'm 64", and choose "Add Album to Playing Now", it would add all of Sgt Pepper to Playing Now... )
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: natehansen66 on August 13, 2014, 10:07:58 am
•   Make it easier to import settings for parametric equaliser from REW

This would be quite handy.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: Matt on August 13, 2014, 10:15:47 am
That reminds me... that for several years I've been requesting:

Add Album to Playing Now

This would consist of the software doing a "Locate Album" followed by an "Add to Playing Now" (once again to force the computer to automatically do things that we currently have to do manually).

Next build of MC20:
NEW: Added Play > Add (album) to add full albums to Playing Now.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: Matt on August 13, 2014, 10:29:07 am
Bitrate is a real-time display and only works when the Memory Playback option is disabled.

Next build of MC20:
Changed: When memory playback is enabled, the bitrate will display the average bitrate of the file instead of no bitrate.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: Awesome Donkey on August 13, 2014, 12:16:07 pm
Here's one, allowing a abbreviated bit depth column. For example this would allow changing 44100 Hz to 44.1 kHz when displayed.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: InflatableMouse on August 13, 2014, 12:30:24 pm
Here's one, allowing a abbreviated bit depth column. For example this would allow changing 44100 Hz to 44.1 kHz when displayed.

You can already do that with an expression. Under Options, Library, Manage Library Fields, create a new field. I named it 'Sample Rate (kHz)'. Select Calculated data and paste the following:

Code: [Select]
FormatNumber(math([Sample Rate,0] / 1000), 1)
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: Matt on August 13, 2014, 02:06:56 pm
I think you should just implement my modified Watched functionality (http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=85974.5) "officially" and replace the current behavior of Watched() with it.  Because it is better.

That thread is huge.  I'm having trouble finding what you mean.  Could you start a new thread with just your request in it?
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: Matt on August 13, 2014, 04:46:50 pm
What I would like is that within the "Output Format" down mixing to 2 channels is done, and then the left and right signal can be "copied" to other channels available on the soundcard.
These channels should then show up in PEQ.

That's what "2 channels (inside 5.1 channel container)", etc. are for.  Only the downmixing of the two main channels will be done.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: leezer3 on August 13, 2014, 06:11:58 pm
Replaced with CD Art Display support - though the site for CAD appears to be dead now?

CD Art Display was basically forked into Rainmeter.
Supports all the same skins etc., just a little newer :)

http://www.rainmeter.net

-Leezer-
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: kstuart on August 13, 2014, 08:35:22 pm
Next build of MC20:
NEW: Added Play > Add (album) to add full albums to Playing Now.

Many thanks !!

Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: glynor on August 13, 2014, 09:10:17 pm
That thread is huge.  I'm having trouble finding what you mean.  Could you start a new thread with just your request in it?

Yep.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: AnalogKid on August 13, 2014, 09:20:45 pm
I'm only asking for one item, but it is a big one: I would like to see moving many of the items in the options panel for Theater View moved to skins. Examples include font size, icon size, file info panel, templates etc.

My reasons are simple:
- with the exception of font size, I would bet money that very few regular users use these features.
- I would also bet that all that do use them could modify the same settings in a skin.
- People complain constantly in the forums that skins do very little to change the look. Not surprising when the big ticket items are in the options panel.
- Most people would be happier picking a skin and having it change the look extensively, rather that spending hours tweaking settings.

So moving them is basically a win win situation. Everyone gets to have what they want. Newbs, Power Users, and skinners. And hopefully more new purchasers so JRiver wins as well...


+1 +1 +1  Please!!!
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: MrHaugen on August 14, 2014, 02:05:23 am
I'm only asking for one item, but it is a big one: I would like to see moving many of the items in the options panel for Theater View moved to skins. Examples include font size, icon size, file info panel, templates etc.

My reasons are simple:
- with the exception of font size, I would bet money that very few regular users use these features.
- I would also bet that all that do use them could modify the same settings in a skin.
- People complain constantly in the forums that skins do very little to change the look. Not surprising when the big ticket items are in the options panel.
- Most people would be happier picking a skin and having it change the look extensively, rather that spending hours tweaking settings.

So moving them is basically a win win situation. Everyone gets to have what they want. Newbs, Power Users, and skinners. And hopefully more new purchasers so JRiver wins as well...

+1 from me as well. This would go a long way of improving the skinning functionality and the diversity of skins.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: 6233638 on August 14, 2014, 07:01:24 am
I would suggest that skins could optionally include some sort of configuration for this, with a selection for "skin defined" and "user settings" somewhere in the skin selection process.
 
I don't want skins to change things like the info panel, templates, font size etc.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: Listener on August 14, 2014, 09:55:13 am
That thread is huge.  I'm having trouble finding what you mean.  Could you start a new thread with just your request in it?

I think we are into the MC 21 feature requests!
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: ferday on August 14, 2014, 12:25:09 pm
You can already do that with an expression. Under Options, Library, Manage Library Fields, create a new field. I named it 'Sample Rate (kHz)'. Select Calculated data and paste the following:

Code: [Select]
FormatNumber(math([Sample Rate,0] / 1000), 1)

not specifically related, but maybe a request for MC20 would be a little more info on the expression language (actually the wiki isn't horrible, but some better examples would help...even better would be compiling all the useful expression that can be found with difficulty on the forums into the wiki!!!)

i DON'T want MC to become plug n play, the expression language is the best part of the program to me.  but darn it's hard to figure out, and commonly requested stuff like the above quote could/should be compiled into a wiki and/or if there was another child forum for "yay i found a cool expression" that would be awesome

you know, now that i think of it, there's my "MC20 feature request"...a child forum for "expression language questions" to help sort them from all the "my DSD doesn't work" threads that dominate lately
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: Zero_G on August 14, 2014, 12:31:35 pm
not specifically related, but maybe a request for MC20 would be a little more info on the expression language (actually the wiki isn't horrible, but some better examples would help...even better would be compiling all the useful expression that can be found with difficulty on the forums into the wiki!!!)

i DON'T want MC to become plug n play, the expression language is the best part of the program to me.  but darn it's hard to figure out, and commonly requested stuff like the above quote could/should be compiled into a wiki and/or if there was another child forum for "yay i found a cool expression" that would be awesome

you know, now that i think of it, there's my "MC20 feature request"...a child forum for "expression language questions" to help sort them from all the "my DSD doesn't work" threads that dominate lately

I like this and second it.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: magnust on August 14, 2014, 04:53:04 pm
This has been requested before but I haven't seen it list in the new features for MC20.

Would love to see a "Add After Current Album" option.  So that those of us that like to listen to whole albums can add an album as "Next To Play" without interrupting the current album and without having to add it to the end of the playlist.

Carl.
Nice idea! Big +1 from me!
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: magnust on August 14, 2014, 04:54:51 pm
Next build of MC20:
NEW: Added Play > Add (after current album) to play files after the current album ends.

Wow. That was fast  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: DoubtingThomas on August 17, 2014, 09:00:19 am
DSP settings per track.

+1000
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: bulldogger on August 17, 2014, 11:19:38 am
Fine grain seeking for video (eg slow fwd / back).  So we can:
- Get time accurate info for create start/stop points for particles (currently way to course)... but really it is to
- Slow mo
+1
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: Matt on August 17, 2014, 11:34:51 am
Quote
DSP settings per track.

+1000

This is done.  You save a DSP preset from DSP Studio, then select a DSP preset for any individual file.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: ldoodle on August 17, 2014, 01:50:12 pm
Further to my above comments -

Theater View mode for Gizmo. Literally a small screen version of theater view on my tablet or phone, as per attached files. Text could be scaled larger to be more finger friendly on a mobile device, but you get the picture.

If Gizmo is set to play to the device, the "Watch" or "Play" command would go to a screen similar to current (or open the video). If it's set to play to a different zone, the "Watch" or "Play" text toggles to "Watching" or "Playing".



Absolutely YES please!!! This alone would make me upgrade.

- Blu-ray menus. I won't stop asking until it's there! :) I would happily pay another 50% if that's what it took. I don't necessarily want all the Java bells and whistles (like menu overlay during playback). Just the initial 'front screen' where you get scene selection, audio options etc.
- Remote web configuration, which gives you the same as Tools > Options

Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: ldoodle on August 17, 2014, 02:06:53 pm
Please consider focusing more on Theater View in this version. I strongly believe that the masses mainly focus on a couch interface for their media centers, and it would probably speed up new user count substantially if this was improved.

Agree 100%. Everything else in MC is great. I'd say, from my experience, MC has THE worst GUI for Theater View. Even Windows Media Center is better.

I'd personally do away with the top scrollers - it's too messy and awkward to get to. I'd change it so that a button press (say Menu when outside of playback), brings up a context menu or even better something like the Mac OS equivalent of Start Menu, which offers what the top scroller currently does... things like sorting, what view (title, genre, artist etc.). Basically you should be able to get it without having to hit up loadsa times if you're deep down a list.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: MikeThin on August 18, 2014, 04:18:51 am

This is done.  You save a DSP preset from DSP Studio, then select a DSP preset for any individual file.

Not automatically in a playlist - that is what a lot of people are asking for, please...
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: Hendrik on August 18, 2014, 04:21:54 am
Not automatically in a playlist - that is what a lot of people are asking for, please...

This works also in playlists.
Note that its a new feature in MC20, so its not available just yet.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: DoubtingThomas on August 18, 2014, 06:14:30 pm
This is done.  You save a DSP preset from DSP Studio, then select a DSP preset for any individual file.

Quote
Next build of MC20:
NEW: Added Play > Add (after current artist) to the play commands.

Thanks !!!!  I bought the MC20 upgrade a while ago,... this might be the best upgrade version ever.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: fitbrit on August 24, 2014, 02:18:11 pm
JRiver: one request; can you have the full MC20 version number displayed at the top of the Standard View screen. Currently is just says "JRiver Media Center 20". Would it be very difficult for it say "JRiver Media Center 20.0.10" so I can (more easily) keep up with the version upgrades across all my machines?

I'd +1 that. In fact I will.

+1
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: kensn on August 24, 2014, 03:05:40 pm
I'd +1 that. In fact I will.

+1

There is a variable in the custom display settings that will do this.....
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: fitbrit on August 24, 2014, 10:03:00 pm
There is a variable in the custom display settings that will do this.....

Thanks for the reply. I am embarrassed to say that I can't find this option. Do you mean in customise toolbars? Sorry for the density.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: kensn on August 24, 2014, 11:09:02 pm
Customize display setting, i use it on for the "Stopped Mode",(http://www.pix01.com/gallery/FDD1A3A6-26F8-4D79-887E-7B1C6A626A7F/MC_Stopped/537308596_orig0.jpg),
 Customize display, insert variable, MC.Version.

Ken
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: fitbrit on August 25, 2014, 02:19:29 am
Customize display setting, i use it on for the "Stopped Mode",(http://www.pix01.com/gallery/FDD1A3A6-26F8-4D79-887E-7B1C6A626A7F/MC_Stopped/537308596_orig0.jpg),
 Customize display, insert variable, MC.Version.

Ken

 :o
Thanks! A whole new thing to play with!
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: michaelmcclatchy on August 25, 2014, 02:09:12 pm
User configurable (permanent) jriver.png picture which does NOT get overwritten on every jriver upgrade install.
... I like the option to use MY favorite picture.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: Matt on August 25, 2014, 02:29:06 pm
User configurable (permanent) JRiver.png picture which does NOT get overwritten on every JRiver upgrade install.
... I like the option to use MY favorite picture.

Put the artwork in Data\Custom Art instead of Data\Default Art.  After that, your custom version will stay alive and always be used.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: daveman on August 25, 2014, 02:50:28 pm
As per a past post http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=78510.msg533889#msg533889 (http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=78510.msg533889#msg533889)...

In the OVERVIEW, one can see all media servers that are connected to JRiver.

However, it does not seem to show info regarding connected devices using webgizmo or other ipad/android apps.  Is there a way to see this info on the host computer?  This is an important prices of missing info.  I am not sure what would be required to include this info.

I understand that one can look at the activity under Services & Plug-ins/Media Network (then select [ServerName] (Library Server) but this does not provide any other details about the device.

Please add this in so that we can have full information regarding how MC is serving information. Playing Now should show all files being served by MC and not just those in specific zones.

Thanks

dave
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: fitbrit on August 26, 2014, 02:00:37 pm
As per a past post http://yabb.JRiver.com/interact/index.php?topic=78510.msg533889#msg533889 (http://yabb.JRiver.com/interact/index.php?topic=78510.msg533889#msg533889)...

In the OVERVIEW, one can see all media servers that are connected to JRiver.

However, it does not seem to show info regarding connected devices using webgizmo or other ipad/android apps.  Is there a way to see this info on the host computer?  This is an important prices of missing info.  I am not sure what would be required to include this info.

I understand that one can look at the activity under Services & Plug-ins/Media Network (then select [ServerName] (Library Server) but this does not provide any other details about the device.

Please add this in so that we can have full information regarding how MC is serving information. Playing Now should show all files being served by MC and not just those in specific zones.

Thanks

dave


I'd welcome this too, since it can be important to know who is playing what and where. However, there may be technical reasons why it hasn't been implemented already.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: shAf on August 27, 2014, 06:13:29 am
I use volume leveling with MC19, but still hear a considerable difference in volume, audio v movies or video ... ~15db according to my AVR's volume control. Is there a way to assign an offset depending on the type of media?
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: sumerian on August 27, 2014, 09:30:16 pm
Can we please add the option  to "convert to flac" under burn disc (Data CD or DVD) section.
right now we only have MP3 option.

This really help to  write DVD Audio (Flacs) .


I already paid for the upgrade hopefully they will add some thing functional instead of some fancy mumbo zumbo.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: sumerian on August 27, 2014, 10:15:38 pm
Can we have option to RIP bluerays to MKV file
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: 6233638 on August 28, 2014, 07:46:37 am
Can we have option to RIP bluerays to MKV file
That's a lot more complex than the current option of ripping to a folder.
You're better off just using MakeMKV, a tool specifically designed for this task.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: bblue on August 28, 2014, 05:17:56 pm
Better spectrum analyzer.  Better instrumentation for sound engineers?

+10!
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: sumerian on August 29, 2014, 06:15:00 am
Option to update the source location for multiple tracks .
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: MikeThin on August 29, 2014, 06:53:32 am
Better spectrum analyser
+10!
Yes please. Also VU meters.  Pretty ones.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: mojave on August 29, 2014, 09:52:18 am
Not really a feature and more of an initial upgrade install item.
I have a pretty vast set of remote commands that use the .../system32/MCxx.exe functions.
When upgrading I have to burrow through my commands to change them to the new MC.
I would love to have this be automated or have an additional column for "Command Actions"
on the remote commands screen so I can see which ones need a change easier.
Glynor wrote a script (http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=81514.msg627715#msg627715) that might help you out.

Quote
This build includes a new command line utility, MCcl (MC command launcher).

This simple applet is just a wrapper for the Command Line launcher utilities included with each version of Media Center.  These launcher utilities are named mc19.exe for MC19, and mc20.exe for MC20 (and so on and so forth).  This makes it necessary to manually update any scripts you write with the new version each time you upgrade MC to a new major version.

MCcl.exe makes that laborious task no longer necessary!

It was inspired by this thread (http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=91243.0) (and by the fact that MC20 just came out and I have to, again, update all of my scripts to use the new launcher).  Let me know if it comes in handy!
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: sumerian on August 30, 2014, 10:07:38 am
Honestly i dont understand why most of the requests are UI related...

why would one care so much about the looks ? why would one keep looking at the JRiver when the media is being played..

I do understand look and feel makes a lot of difference but come on, so much emphasis? dont we want  better functional app than a better looking app?

Sorry i am not trying to be spoil sport or smart ass but for the money i would rather get additonal functionality ...
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: Daveyravey on August 30, 2014, 04:10:11 pm
Any plans to support chromecast for jremote?     Done
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: ronenash on September 01, 2014, 01:32:33 am
Better handling of Internet radio stations.  You can do it now by saving them to a playlist, but it's awkward and hard to explain.

Hopefully this includes a TuneIn like interface where you have all radio stations to choose from and the ability to add stations to favorites/radio buttons. This feature alone will justify an upgrade for me.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: park on September 02, 2014, 09:45:44 am
I would like to see some work done on the Standard View interface again. Specifically, with the Grouped Details view in the bottom pane of Standard view, I would like the Grouping thumbnail to have links on it like the Group thumbnails do in the top pane. "Play" and "Info" would be good, with info performing a search of whatever that Grouping is.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: kstuart on September 02, 2014, 12:36:27 pm
Hopefully this includes a TuneIn like interface where you have all radio stations to choose from and the ability to add stations to favorites/radio buttons. This feature alone will justify an upgrade for me.
I have Internet radio stations in my MediaCenter radio buttons - you just have to first connect to the station by other means (such as getting the URL from elsewhere and pasting it into File->Open URL).
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: BigJ on September 06, 2014, 12:53:10 am
Please consider focusing more on Theater View in this version. I strongly believe that the masses mainly focus on a couch interface for their media centers
I don't know about "the masses", but my primary reason for buying MC is specifically for the "couch interface"/JukeBox access to my Music, Movies, and Shows as I've previously outgrown WinAmp, VLC, and iTunes in this regard. 

Everything else, everything, takes a distant back seat to this/these Use Case(s).

FWIW.

Also, thanks for adding these:

* "Add After Current Album"
* "Add Album to Playing Now"

And, I'd like to see this one as well:

I use volume leveling with MC19, but still hear a considerable difference in volume, audio v movies or video ... ~15db according to my AVR's volume control. Is there a way to assign an offset depending on the type of media?

Thanks.

MC is definitely worth every penny of the price, and is *almost* everything I want and need in its current form, which is no small thing. I'm too new to it to have more to offer just yet, but as everyday progresses...
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: Dobrota on September 07, 2014, 04:57:22 am
Please update the interface of Convolution. Something like Voxengo Pristine Space has(or any other).
Txt format is outdated.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: 6233638 on September 07, 2014, 08:03:57 am
Please update the interface of Convolution. Something like Voxengo Pristine Space has(or any other).
Txt format is outdated.
I believe it's expected that you are using external software (such as Acourate) to create the filters for convolution.
 
I don't really see a problem with the current implementation for that purpose.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: mwillems on September 07, 2014, 10:09:11 am
I believe it's expected that you are using external software (such as Acourate) to create the filters for convolution.
 
I don't really see a problem with the current implementation for that purpose.

I think what he's asking for is better support for using multiple convolution filters; right now if you want to, say, apply convolution to six channels you either need to find convolution software that will create a custom 6-channel filter or use a .txt based configuration file to handle the coordination of six different mono wav files.  The free convolution filter generation software I know of only generates single channel or stereo files (and the stereo files typically won't allow different filters by channel, so they're of limited usefulness).  So to do multi-channel or bi-amping (or just use different filters for each speaker) with free software you need to learn how to write config files.  The format for the config files is a little arcane and takes some study to get right; I think Dobrota just wants a GUI for coordinating multiple filters (which is what I think voxengo does).
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: 6233638 on September 07, 2014, 10:40:46 am
Ah I see - I thought voxengo was software for creating convolution filters, not applying them on playback.
It sounds like this is an area where the interface could be improved then.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: Dobrota on September 09, 2014, 03:37:09 am
I think Dobrota just wants a GUI for coordinating multiple filters (which is what I think voxengo does).
Mwillems, you are quite right! Thank you. :)
One more reason for GUI - with .txt format it is very easy to do mistake on complicated file configuration, and you will not know that is something wrong with it.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: CadErik on September 11, 2014, 08:43:08 pm
WDM driver

Why go through the trouble of a WDM driver? you already provide a ASIO driver that all professional audio applications do support...
Also what about a service version of MC?

I agree with other comments... yes VU meters and spectrum analyzer and more UI improvements. MC look and feel hasn't changed or improved for several major versions... I don't want to sound harsh (I bought MC 20) but the current list of new features is not very big for a major version change.

Erik.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: 6233638 on September 11, 2014, 09:21:06 pm
Why go through the trouble of a WDM driver? you already provide a ASIO driver that all professional audio applications do support...
Because it lets every program on the computer play audio through Media Center and benefit from its DSP capabilities.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: maid on September 12, 2014, 12:09:56 am
Will 3D be looked at in this version???
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: sumerian on September 21, 2014, 07:16:08 pm
Why do we have to install the 20 again altogether why cant we just upgrade the version 19??

I just need need these few options, hope they will consider these. I dont think these need any complex extra code. Same code is already available on different window.

Can we please add the option  to "convert to flac" under burn disc (Data CD or DVD) section.
right now we only have MP3 option.

Option to update the source location for multiple tracks.

Can we have option to skip conversion for certain file extesnion

right now we have option to skip if the source and destination extensions are same

Please add some functional options not just language packs and UI mumbo jumbo...
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: CadErik on September 21, 2014, 08:55:16 pm
Because it lets every program on the computer play audio through Media Center and benefit from its DSP capabilities.
Is this really what the majority of MC users are after or is this a solution for few obscure scenarios?
This sounds like a decent amount of development. Aren't there other more important areas to consider?

Erik.

Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: CadErik on September 21, 2014, 09:04:35 pm
Something that I would like to see, that a few other users have also expressed interest in (I think both natehansen66 and TheLion expressed interest, among others): I'd like PEQ to offer a few additional common crossover filter slopes as options for low-pass and high-pass, such as Linkwitz-Riley and Bessel, and maybe some of the exotics as well (Neville-Thiele or Horbach-Keele).  But I think having built in Linkwitz-Riley and Bessel filters would be my priority.

We can create Linkwitz-Rileys right now by staggering two of the existing butterworth filters, but there's no way to create any of the other filters.

And, even though we have a workaround for Linkwitz-Riley filters, it would be nice to have them directly integrated, primarily because they are more likely to produce a good experience for the end user than a butterworth: they work better "out of the box" than butterworth filters because they tend to sum flat at the crossover point, unlike butterworths which tend to introduce a 3dB lump at the crossover point.  That's one reason why "crossover in a box" type products for pro audio tend to use 4th order Linkwitz Rileys if they only offer one filter choice.

There are tons of VST plugins dedicated for all kinds of EQs and filtering, is it really worth that this effort is duplicated into MC?
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: fitbrit on September 21, 2014, 09:07:23 pm
Is this really what the majority of MC users are after or is this a solution for few obscure scenarios?
This sounds like a decent amount of development. Aren't there other more important areas to consider?

Erik.

This is a worthwhile pursuit for the developers, IMO. For one, it cements MC as an indispensable product if people begin to use it to route all their PC's audio. Things just sound better with MC, and running YouTube videos or games through JRSS, for examples, would be embraced by many.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: CadErik on September 21, 2014, 09:12:08 pm
This is a worthwhile pursuit for the developers, IMO. For one, it cements MC as an indispensable product if people begin to use it to route all their PC's audio. Things just sound better with MC, and running YouTube videos or games through JRSS, for examples, would be embraced by many.
I am curious to understand what would be better with JRSS when you re-route your whole sound? The DSP processing? Rip some low quality web streams?
Stream your computer sound to others?

Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: 6233638 on September 22, 2014, 06:57:59 am
Is this really what the majority of MC users are after or is this a solution for few obscure scenarios?
This sounds like a decent amount of development. Aren't there other more important areas to consider?
Obscure scenarios? YouTube is the only video service supported in Media Center here. Other video and music services all run in a web browser.
Games are another area which would greatly benefit from MC's processing.
 
I use headphones a lot, and there are some VST plugins which make things sound a lot better.
For speakers, room correction can make a huge difference to how things sound.
For a lot of web streams, I find dynamic range compression helpful.
 
Being able to play audio directly through MC without requiring Loopback would be very beneficial to a lot of people. The Loopback latency often too high to be used for things like games or video streams, and hopefully a WDM driver will reduce this a lot. (Since actual audio devices can have much lower latency)
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: carbo on September 22, 2014, 02:53:52 pm
Hi,

Two small feature requests:
- The ability to define a search by default in a search list. I have a pane view with a search list and use most of the time the first choice but want to keep the others.
I would like the first search to be directly selected when i choose this view. Maybe it can be extended to all panes

I even made two mockups ;)
(http://s30.postimg.org/qa8qweyz1/def_Search.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/qa8qweyz1/)(http://s28.postimg.org/vapcrmmuh/def_Field.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/vapcrmmuh/)

- The second is more a bug fix than a feature request but when i edit a field in tag view while listening to music the focus is lost and it's very annoying ;)

Guillaume
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: eLizard on September 22, 2014, 08:47:08 pm
All I want is a convert to opus option and a proper lyrics viewer
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: ohyeah on October 01, 2014, 01:56:06 am
Touch screen interface in general view (scroll...)     Done

Handling of Blu Ray menu
Better "play doctor": mix with smart list criterias (ranking...); the best would be something like: a bit of **, a lot of *****, etc.
3D

Thanks!!
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: baniels on October 09, 2014, 02:05:44 pm
I really like the "Wall" view in theater view. But I would like it even more if I could customize the scaling. Currently the size is fixed at rows of 8 X full width. I would love the option to lower that to rows of 5 or 6.

At my distance on a 50" screen, the thumbnails are smaller than optimal.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: crawfofd on October 16, 2014, 08:02:42 am
I would like to see when you set a program to record/subscribe under 'Recording Options/Subscribe' It show what the output file would look like when it is saved.
Like if it is a series and if there is series/episode info it will show you what it would look like.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: streamerguy on October 16, 2014, 09:28:01 am
Can you please add an option to only convert the audio part of a video file, so send the original video track and convert the audio track?
For example if the renderer only supports different video formats, but not all audio formats.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: mojave on October 16, 2014, 10:58:34 am
Can you please add an option to only convert the audio part of a video file, so send the original video track and convert the audio track?
For example if the renderer only supports different video formats, but not all audio formats.
It is already possible with Convert Video to Audio (http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=80684.0).
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: MichaelG on November 22, 2014, 12:53:58 am
A resizable or larger search input text box - please. OCD issues...that upgrade in MC20 will save on therapy.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: darkheart on November 22, 2014, 02:57:02 am
Please, make output format available for multichannel (currently available only for 2 channels) so it could be possible to upsample multichannel signal.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: wig on November 22, 2014, 07:13:38 am
A better UI for the ~mix modifier (http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=79859.msg543123#msg543123)
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: v_erich on December 04, 2014, 08:01:16 am
Hi,
is it possible for theaterview to have a cinemascope view 1:2,35 ?
I have a cinemascope screen in my theater (so I have to zoom in for cinemscope movies and zoom out for 16:9 ones),
but more movies are in cinemascope then 16:9.
So it would be niche if the GUI in Theaterview would be also possible in this ratio, it doesn't look good to have content outside of the screen (not good readable and ugly in gerneral).

Thanks and mbest regards,
Erich
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: planetearth411 on December 08, 2014, 08:46:38 pm
Would love to see "8 X DSD in native format" added to the Output Encoding list of options..... please.     Done

Actually have a DAC that natively supports 8 X DSD (DSD512).     8)

Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: Matt on December 09, 2014, 08:23:52 am
Would love to see "8 X DSD in native format" added to the Output Encoding list of options..... please.

Actually have a DAC that natively supports 8 X DSD (DSD512).     8)

We'll add it to the next build.  We don't have a DAC that supports it, so we'll need you to test it.  It might not work on the first crack.

History:
NEW: Added 8x DSD as an output encoding.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: Guernsey on December 09, 2014, 01:07:11 pm
A resizable or larger search input text box - please. OCD issues...that upgrade in MC20 will save on therapy.

+1
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: Matt on December 09, 2014, 01:18:49 pm
A resizable or larger search input text box - please. OCD issues...that upgrade in MC20 will save on therapy.

The search box is wider now.  The wider your monitor, the wider it'll be.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: dean70 on December 09, 2014, 03:22:56 pm
It would be nice to be able to pin a tree item to a view (as a split view) or as a tab in a single view, eg: there could be specific TV Guide, Video and Audio playlists pinned to different view tabs on startup, so you dont have to go hunting through the tree each time.

The same could work with the DSP Studio window.  ;D
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: planetearth411 on December 09, 2014, 06:54:03 pm
We'll add it to the next build.  We don't have a DAC that supports it, so we'll need you to test it.  It might not work on the first crack.

History:
NEW: Added 8x DSD as an output encoding.


Awesome!  Will be happy to test it (using various PCM resolutions) and report back.   Thanks!
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: Matt on December 11, 2014, 09:26:40 am

Awesome!  Will be happy to test it (using various PCM resolutions) and report back.   Thanks!

The build is there.  Test away!  Maybe start a new thread for your results.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: Harroun4 on March 06, 2015, 12:23:35 am
Two suggestions.

1. For each playlist, can we have the ability to continue play back from the last stopping point. In other words, when selecting a play list or group, continue playback or resume.

2. I have a need to be able to edit the internal data base of a CD when inserted in the drive, but now without the CD inserted. With this feature, as errors are spotted during play back they can be corrected in both the tag fields and the internal data base.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: sorepinky on March 08, 2015, 12:05:25 am
DLNA Streaming (to get around lack of support for gapless playback)

I don't see why it should be so difficult.

It should be possible for MC20 acting as pusher to a non-gapless DLNA renderer (such as the Pioneer N-50) to temporarily string all the files of an album together into one big temp. file and stream that across the network as a single track with temporary meta.  The temp. file could be given TITLE meta taken from the "ALBUM" tag of original Track 1 and be deleted after playback is stopped (or on shut-down of MC20) and the other meta including cover art could be grabbed from the first track as well.  On the MC20 interface say a right click option over the album art "Push whole album to renderer as one gapless track".  No doubt there'd be some initial lag as the temp. file was written, but I certainly wouldn't care too much.

Gizmo and JRemote could then add a "Push whole album to renderer as one gapless track" option too.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: Harroun4 on March 08, 2015, 06:53:24 pm
Thanks for the positive feed back. About 15 years back I started putting together a home automation system that became quite extensive with time. The original goal was to get rid of CD changers controlled by the system. There was no end of imagination of improvements to do. But I had to start from scratch. The changers inherently start playing with the disc present in the slot, so the system naturally "resumes" play. Later I extended this via the programing to start at the last track. Once the used is spoiled with the ability to continue playing through the entire collection, it becomes a requirement for any system. For every MP3 player I looked at, none would do this and would not purchase.

The code I wrote to do this is incredibly simple and did not take more than about 10 minutes to accomplish. One line was needed to save the location and track # when shutting down. And one line in the start up sequence to imitate the play at the last disc and track.

We already have the option in MC20 to start play back at the last track in the "playing now" window. This would be a good starting I think.

One suggestion I would like to add is to make this as an option. Some users may not like this at all. So something along the lines of an button manually start play at the last location, and also have the option to set automatic start up when changing a play list or group.

I have a number of other little features that ended up in my system, if anyone thinks putting them on the consideration table, I would be happy to submit and can send some photos of the results.

Regards, Harroun
Bangkok, Thailand
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: Harroun4 on March 09, 2015, 08:29:33 pm
For the case of us who rip music CD's on MC20 and the data in the local data base for when a CD is in the drive becomes the master data base for the text entry. This situation comes up when errors are spotted during play back. The "tag" file can be edited during play back, but not the master file. This requires the source CD to be put in the drive to access.

So for those of us who are fanatical about the format of the text, can somehow to "link" or display in a second window or automatically transfer the corrects for the "tag" file to the file for the CD.

Currently the only way to access the data is put the CD back in the drive. Rather tedious to do.

Then in case of need to re-rip the CD in case of accidental deletion or major HD failure, the applied data will be the latest version.

Also I am interested to know if the back-up procedure in the program will include this data for the CD data file. ( I am not sure the best way to differentiate between the two sets of data.)

The attachments should help illustrate what I am referring to.

Thanks and regards, Harroun
Bangkok. TH
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: Harroun4 on March 15, 2015, 08:59:31 pm
Sirs, it seems likely that MC20 uses CDID code to locate CD data from the on line data bases. Is that data stored some place in the metadata if I have that term correct. If I could access this CDID code from my ripped CD's, I have many things that can be accessed from my other files. Mainly like previously scanned album art files and cd text files.

If not already there, suggest be added. The calculations are not too difficult, it would be a big help for some of use out here in cyber space.

Regards, Harroun
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: JimH on April 05, 2015, 05:43:55 pm
Just bumping this to the top, to judge our progress so far.

I'll start a new thread for comments.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: JimH on April 05, 2015, 05:58:54 pm
I put a lot of effort into ripping CDs and getting the tags as I want them. (Mostly classical music and other genres where composer info is very important.)  Music goes into my permanent library and stays.  Images come in, go through a winnowing process and the remaining ones go through a further selecting process.  The last thing I want to do is to mix music files and images in one library.  As it stands, using MC for image management and music requires some really awkward kludges for me.
Maybe you could start a thread and explain why it's important to keep them separate.
Title: Re: Possible MC20 Features
Post by: JimH on April 05, 2015, 06:43:56 pm
bump