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SteveInglis

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Issue with FLAC Files playing as WAV files on Renderer
« on: December 09, 2015, 11:38:23 am »

I have an issue on 2 DNLA remote devices (both Sony DVD DNLA compliant devices)
All my music has been ripped as FLAC files, yet when I play the music via these DVD players, the DVD machines display the files as WAV format and thus I lose all the album and artist information. Has anyone any idea why this would occur?
Any help would be welcome
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AndrewFG

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Re: Issue with FLAC Files playing as WAV files on Renderer
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2015, 01:06:52 pm »


Are you "pulling" the tracks from renderer's browsing interface, of "pushing" the tracks from MC's user interface?

Also what model number is the Sony player?

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SteveInglis

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Re: Issue with FLAC Files playing as WAV files on Renderer
« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2015, 10:59:12 am »

Hi Andrew
I am pulling from the Renderer's browser. What makes it so odd, is that it used to work fine and showed FLAC with all album data. These days. no matter what I change to under Media Network it shows either MP3 or WAV on the DVD player
Both DVD's are Sony S7200 and have worked fine in the past. Something has changed or I have fiddled with something and mucked it up
I have now tried pulling from the DVD browser and get WAV or MP3 Hi bandwidth and when I push from MC the output is in LPCM 2.3Mps
Not a sniff of the recorded FLAC format anywhere
Baffled!

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AndrewFG

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Re: Issue with FLAC Files playing as WAV files on Renderer
« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2015, 01:25:05 pm »

Ok. Several things..

In UPNP the track meta data is supposed not to be passed in the media stream, but via the UPNP mechanisms instead. Either Browse() or Search() when pulling, or SetAVTransportURI when being pushed to.

However some renderers do also (or instead) extract the track meta data from the media stream too. The reason why this is often not a good idea is that meta data tags are often appended to the end of the file, which is ok if playing from a hard disk because the computer can seek to the tags instantaneously, however it is not ok when playing a linear media stream because by the time you get to the tags, the track playing is over...

When MC serves a track in Original form it passes the meta data in the above mentioned Browse, Search, or SetAVTransportURI calls and also embedded in the track stream. But when it serves in Transcoded form it only supplies the former and not the latter.

Furthermore Sony players are notoriously picky about the formatting of the meta data passed in Browse, Search, or SetAVTransportURI calls, and if it's not in the exact right format for them then they won't display it.

So if your player is not showing meta data then check three things..

1. Is the MC server set to play Original or Always Convert?

2. If Original then are your tags at the beginning of the file or the end? For FLAC or MP3 it is normally at the beginning, whereas for WAV or AIF it is usually at the end (and so too late to be any use).

3. In MC server settings Advanced, make sure that DLNA and DLNA extra are on. And if that does not work, also play around with the other Advanced server settings..

PS you may also have more success pushing to the player rather than having it browse and pull the tracks.
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SteveInglis

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Re: Issue with FLAC Files playing as WAV files on Renderer
« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2015, 07:01:07 am »

Hi Andrew, Thanks for the advice. It is now working fine with both DVD players, it was the conversion bit.Once I turned that off and set MC to play as Original. bingo FLAC now showing on Pull from MC by the DVD players. Now the Video is showing Corrupt or not a compatible format, but I will sort that hopefully. So all working on the audio front now and your advice has been invaluable. Cheers

Steve I
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Re: Issue with FLAC Files playing as WAV files on Renderer
« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2015, 10:57:30 am »

Same issue here since the last couple of JRiver 21 updates. No issue with JRiver 20, though

http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=101980.0

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