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[GHammer]

The system sound at track change is still in this build.
Also happens if you are elsewhere in the tree and return to Playing Now.

[Matt]

I can't reproduce this.  Do you have custom sound schemes or anything else going on?

Does anyone else see the same thing?

Thanks for any extra information.

[GHammer]

The only thing I can think of is I install Office Sounds.
Nothing else is changed from a normal XP install.

[Matt]

I think you may have to pick: hear custom sounds everywhere (including in MC) or don't ever hear custom sounds.

There's no simple way for us to hook into third party solutions.

[GHammer]

It's Microsoft's sounds for Office.
It is not a 3rd party.

This seems to be the "Windows Explorer Start Navigation" system sound. At least when I play that sound, it is the same as when tracks change. When I disable that, the track change sound is gone.

And, you've fixed it before. Or at least, when reported in past builds a fix was found then 'lost' in newer builds.

Maybe MC should just never play a sound effect?

[JimH]

Gary,
Unless I'm mistaken, you're one of a very few, if not the only person with this problem.  See what you can learn by changing your sound setup.

Jim

[GHammer]

I have looked at my system sounds. It is why I know which sound is firing. It is not because of any change on my end, I don't care to play with the noises my system makes. I kinda like it to remain quiet except for music. 

As for being alone, I have seen this error reported by others several times in the past.

In fact, a quick search in the 11.x builds finds it fixed a few times.

11.0.211 (3/10/05)

3. Changed: Showing track info pages with certain IE system sounds enabled could cause MC to play sounds when switching tracks.

[NumberEleventeen]

I just tried on my system. Set a start navigation sound.. Set visualization to track info page.. Yep sound plays.
Since there html based dynamic pages and probably rendered thru a build in IE function, you can't really turn em off.

Only way to "fix" that is to change the html engine from IE to a custom one, or somehow make the pages not update on new a new track but instead use some internet javascript based thing that would the info, but wouldn't trigger the sound.

Normaly i have no sound for that,, (XP's default).
Plus i use damaged layers IV, which shows a visualization + track info and album pic, so it's better then the track info anyways.

[Matt]

We disable the Windows sounds for this on startup. (and reenable on shutdown)

I'm not familiar with Office sounds.  In any event, you can turn off sounds in Windows control panel.

[GHammer]

If it is Office sounds, it would surprise me because that has been installed here, oh, for years. The file date for it's installer is 2003. Odd that only some MC builds have the sound. Others do not.

But, for testing, I have just uninstalled Office Sounds. And I have selected Windows Default for the sound scheme. I still get the sound at track change.

It is puzzling why the XP Pro default sound scheme acts one way for me and one way for you. But if you set the Windows default sound scheme, use DJ for track info and do not get the sound I'd be surprised.

NumberEleventeen- Do I understand that when you look at the Sounds tab of Sounds and Audio devices, you see Windows Default for the sound scheme. And that you have nothing for Windows Explorer->Start Navigation

I had that sound disabled, and the Sound scheme was shown as blank, nothing in the window. I selected Windows Default and applied it. The Start Navigation sound was enabled when I did that.

[Wile E. One]

I had that sound disabled, and the Sound scheme was shown as blank, nothing in the window. I selected Windows Default and applied it. The Start Navigation sound was enabled when I did that.

I can confirm that Windows Default setting (at least on my XP install) has the start navigation sound enabled, and this does cause the click to be heard at track change on my computer.

That said... it's also one of the first sounds I turn off on a new install, since it is annoying in general.

[JimH]

Anything else that could also be opening the file.  Virus checker?

[GHammer]

Anything else that could also be opening the file.  Virus checker?

The sound plays when MC changes tracks, also when IE loads a page. Not at any other time that I notice/remember.

I'm not aware of any antivirus package that would change system settings like those. All I have seen use their own sounds if they use them at all.

[Matt]

MC only disables the sounds on startup, so if you enable sounds once MC is running, you'll hear them until you restart MC.

[Wile E. One]

MC only disables the sounds on startup, so if you enable sounds once MC is running, you'll hear them until you restart MC.

I'm pretty sure this "turn off at startup/turn on at shutdown" may be broken (at least in 11.0.230), as my computer has been rebooted since I turned "windows default" sounds on.... and MC did not turn them off when it started up, because I'm listening to it "click" between tracks as I write this.

Oh... and I'm not running any virus checkers or anything of the sort at the moment.

[GHammer]

MC only disables the sounds on startup, so if you enable sounds once MC is running, you'll hear them until you restart MC.

I do not ever add/subtract/enable/disable system sounds after the install of XP, Office 2003, and MS Office sounds. I had to find the settings and look for the right noise to troubleshoot this.

MS Office sounds have nothing to do with standard system sounds like the Windows Explorer->Start Navigation sound.

To test if that was the source, I had disabled that sound. I then get no noise when tracks change. I also uninstalled Office sounds just to remove that as a possibility.

Today I opened the sound control panel and set it to the Windows Default sound scheme. That enables the Windows Explorer->Start Navigation sound, and I am going to guess that is the way it is set at XP install.

Once the system sounds are back to default, I always get the noise as I described when I started this thread.

It does not matter if I stop MC, start MC, reboot. When MC is running and I am in PlayingNow I get the sound. If I am elsewhere in the tree and go to Playing Now I get the sound.

If it is supposed to be disabled when MC starts, it is not on my machine or on the others who posted in this thread.

If the answer is to disable the sound manually, that's fine too.

[Wile E. One]

If the answer is to disable the sound manually, that's fine too.

I do disable some sounds when I install XP (as well as about 30 other default install things), but I know for a fact that most people out there do not modify their system sounds.

If the answer is to disable them manually...that will be fine for me, since I had to actually go and turn it back on to test this issue in the first place.... BUT... it won't be fine for the people that don't play with their sounds.

This may be one of those "small bugs" that won't hold up release, which is fine. But it is also one of those things that cause people to say MC never feels quite "finished" or "polished".