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[phelt]

I always thought that View Schemes based on tags were displayed and sorted purely according to the tag info - this does not appear to be the case.

I was bemused by MC's insistence on "arbitrarily" separating some albums in the file list, despite these files having identical Artist tags. I checked further and realized that MC was using the file names for sorting when I looked at some files by Frank Black and The Catholics. Some of the file names use ampersands (Frank Black & The Catholics) and appear first in the list; some use the word (Frank Black and The Catholics) and appear later.

This also seems to be why files without an Album tag appear to get "randomly" dispersed within a list. The sorting reads the filename to decide placement in the list, ignoring extra Album, Album Artist, or other tags. I can add or modify all the tags I want, I can try to force sorts in the View Scheme definition, but if the filename does not get updated to reflect those changes then they will not be reflected in the list.

With all due respect to Matt and the rest of the J River crew:  IMO, if a user defines viewing/sorting criteria then that criteria should have primacy over any default or internal schemes.

[Matt]

You can specify any sorting you like by clicking on the column headers, then picking "Save Current View" (or "Make All Views Like Current") when you're done.

It allows you to use up to like 12 sort levels.  Hold down shift while clicking columns if you don't like thinking backwards.

Clear the sort order before starting if you like.

Don't try to put the sorting into the view scheme definition -- this may or may not work, but isn't the recommended way to go about it.

Filename will only be used it you have it saved in the sort order.  There's no hidden / tricky logic.

[phelt]

That doesn't work for me, but thanks for the quick reply. I'll just deal with it and move on.

[Matt]

What do you mean by "doesn't work?"

Is there a bug, or you mean our system isn't a workable solution?

In either case, a step-by-step to reproduce it would help.

Thanks phelt.

[MachineHead]

With all due respect to Matt and the rest of the J River crew:  IMO, if a user defines viewing/sorting criteria then that criteria should have primacy over any default or internal schemes.

phelt-

Can you list your view scheme- sorting criteria here so I can check to see if it happens with my stuff?

[phelt]

Sorry Matt, I should have been more specific - I know you've got plenty of other stuff to handle, so I replied with brevity. To your credit, the closest I've gotten to a satisfactory scheme is the default (sorting removed). I've tried a scary number of sort variations using the column headers without success - that's what I meant by "doesn't work". So "doesn't work for me" could be replaced with "I can't achieve what I would like using that method".

If you want to try to replicate the behaviour I described:

View Scheme:
Genre / Album Artist (auto) / Album

Folder structure:
Genre \ Artist
'Genre \ Album Artist' for compilations

Filename conventions:
for one-artist albums: Artist - Album - Track # - Name
for songs that don't belong to an album: Artist - Title
for compilations: Album - Track # - Artist - Title

Songs that don't belong to an album are stored in the appropriate Artist folder.

Again, except for the filename-dependent listing of songs that don't belong to an album, the default view (sorting removed) is nearly perfect. But I'm type A+ so I try to use the columns to get all my singles grouped together, with artists grouped together, and album artists grouped together, and albums in order, with tracks in order. That's where I go horribly wrong...

Album-2, Artist-1
hoses compilations

Album-2, Album Artist-1
if there's no Album Artist defined it sorts by Album, splitting up Artists in the list

Album-3, Artist-2, Album Artist-1
compilations (tracks with Album Artist tags) pushed to the bottom and hoses compilations' track order

Track-4, Album-3, Artist-2, Album Artist-1
compilations (tracks with Album Artist tags) pushed to the bottom and hoses compilations' track order

The list goes on for a while...

Next-to-bottom line: I can't use Album Artist (auto) in the list sort, and the default sort uses the filenames, so I'm not going to achieve what I want without a comprehensive retagging and renaming effort.
Bottom line: in the larger scheme of things this is trivial, so I'm blowing it off and just listening to teh hooj choonz  

[Matt]

I see.

Album Artist (auto) can't be shown as a column in 9.0, and therefore you can't sort by it.  We hope to change this in a future version.

Thanks for taking the time to explain.

[Tangoman]

Hi MC folk,
I tried all your sugestions Matt (Check autosave changes - I had already right clicked and save current view/save all view like this) Stil I have the problem that it is sorting by artist when I send files to playing now.

Media Center Registered 9.0.164 -- D:\Program Files\J River\Media Jukebox\

Microsoft Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 1 (Build 2600)
Intel Unknown 996 MHz MMX / Memory: Total - 523 MB, Free - 309 MB

Internet Explorer: 6.0.2800.1106 / ComCtl32.dll: 5.82 (xpsp1.020828-1920) / Shlwapi.dll: 6.00.2800.1106 (xpsp1.020828-1920)
Shell32.dll: 6.00.2800.1106 (xpsp1.020828-1920) / wnaspi32.dll: Internal ASPI Layer

Ripping /   Drive Y:   Copy mode:ModeSecure   CD Type:IDE   Read speed:Max
 Digital playback: Yes /  Use YADB: No /  Get cover art: No /  Calc replay gain: Yes /  Copy volume: 32767
 Eject after ripping: No /  Play sound after ripping: No  

Burning /  No burners found.
 Test mode: No /  Eject after writing: Yes /  Direct decoding: Yes /  Write CD-Text: Yes
 Use playback settings: No /  Normalization: None

[NoCodeUK]

Tangodude

Playing now has its own sort order too.  Try setting it to sort the way you want and then save current view inside PLaying now and this will sort it the way you want it...

Adam

[xen-uno]

> Playing now has its own sort order too

Doesn't appear to be the case with B165. Setting a different sort order, saving it, clicking away then going back...sort order resets to seq # (as it should). Might have been a bug with B164.

10^-27

[NoCodeUK]

I seem to remember this being added as a feature around about 160.  I could be wrong.  If it is not happening now it may have been removed again.
I never need to sort Playing now beyond the sequence order anyway

Adam

UPDATE:  Just checked and yo are right it does not save the details.  A bit mis leading to be in the menu if it won't actually do what it says.  Makes people think there is a bug when really it is a feature