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[willwrk4u]

I'm thinking about converting my CD collection to all digital but before i get rid of the actual CDs, i want to know what the exact state of lossless is.  If i rip my CD using MC using a lossless encoder (lets sayWMlossless) is this an exact duplicate of the cd?  i mean could i from this lossless rip, create an EXACT duplicate of the original CD, on the pretense that i got 100% on all of the rips in the log?

Also, any ideas on the lossless encoders?  i just noticed this new Windows lossless, how does it compare to the ape?

Thanks

[xen-uno]

Why would you want to get rid of the original CD's?...or did you mean that figuratively? When your ape/flac CD-R's & RW's die in a few years (a lot of variablity here, worst case: days OR best case: years), your original (pressed) CD's will still be going strong. Either flac or ape have a lot of advantages over wav for computer or R/RW based storage (error correction, 50 to 60% the size of a wav, streamable, tagable). You can't go wrong with either format. There is no FLAC support in MJ/MC...yet .

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[xen-uno]

I guess I really didn't answer your q's though

>If i rip my CD using MC using a lossless encoder (lets sayWMlossless) is this an exact duplicate of the cd

On a track by track basis...yes, if ripped in secure mode. When converted back to wav it should be a perfect duplicate of the original. If you wanted a perfect copy of the entire disk, then you would use EAC's Copy Image & Create CUE Sheet. This creates a one file rip that in unison with the cue sheet, can create a CD that is a perfect replica of the original disk, including all gapping and lead in (+/- a few ms on the lead-in track if drive offset is not fiddled with)

> Also, any ideas on the lossless encoders? ... Windows lossless, how does it compare to the ape?

Of the 3 (ape, flac, wml), I believe ape has the best compression ratio. Flac is the least processor intensive (at least on on decode). Wml has MS behind it (either or , depending on whether your a basher or not). Flac has the best off-computer hardware support (Rio Karma, Neuros ...soon, and a few others). I lean toward flac, because of neat little utilities like OggDropXPd where you simply drag your flac onto the OD icon and wala, you have a fully and accurately tagged ogg. I'm waiting for LAMEDropXPd to become as functional. You'll (probably??) never see neat utils like that for wml.

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[ankpualani]

I put a few thousnd cds and concert bootleggs on my harddrives in ape files.
For the time that mj was operational I was stoked !!!!!
 they could be played , burned , re arranged from my desktop I found myself less likely to play the familiar stuff next to the player.
BUT THEN....
mj just dumped over and over for months ,  many re-installs etc...
I guess its a testament to the product that I miss it so much but now extracting the cds tht I only have in ape files one by one ... YUK .