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[MarkS]

I have SOOO many Cds to rip...and when I'm done I need to re-rip even more yet. It takes almost an hour to rip one (digital secure CD read, mp3 160, Highest Quality), and I'm gone all day so I can only rip 2 per day (overnight, morning, need CPU in early evening). I seem to remember once having a CD-ROM changer (Sony?) that held about 6 CDs. Question: would I be able to rig MJ so that I could rip 6 during the day, 6 during the night automatically with a changer? 12 per day! Thanks, Mark

[JimH]

Ideas:
1.  Rip to Ape.  Convert to MP3 overnight.

2.  Faster CD drive.  Cheap now.

[KingSparta]

I had an Pioneer 18 disk cd-rom changer once, $1,800 new i put it in the trash a bit over a year ago


>> Ideas:
>> 1. Rip to Ape. Convert to MP3 overnight.
thats what I do and works real good.

[sekim]

Can't be a cd drive. At 40x, mine will drag forever. Digital secure will take much longer then other types of rips. Try VBR, somewhat faster and probably better sound quality.

[nila]

Why're you ripping to 160? If u want really high quality you should be ripping to 192 or if space is a concern you should be ripping and encoding to VBR.

And MachineHead - VBR encoding isn't faster, it's slower but a better use of space as you correctly mentioned.

I'm just curious as to the other posts - why are you guys suggesting to rip to APE? What advantage does that have over ripping to .wav? I presume you mean the space saving if you want to rip a few albums but because it has to encode it to APE it'd mean it'd be slower so why not encode to mp3? I'm genuinely curious, not trying to question your opinions

[Darwyn]

APE encoding in normal or fast mode can be 10X faster that MP3. The is nothing wrong with encoding MP3 at 160 CBR if one decides so. It is a great trade off between quality and file size. Some great resources on file formats and audio quality testing can be found by looking up "r3mix" and "project hydrogen" on Google. But back on subject, if you have 2,3, or 4 CD rom drives you should be able to stack them and rip one continuous set. Am I correct here? It was that way on version 5 and 6, but not for 7. (A webpage advertising brands of CD drives offered for sale over took this option in 7.) Last I tried I am certain version 8 allowed all CDs in one batch.

[mphorton]

Nila

I don't follow this proceedure, but perhaps it has to do with ID3 tags. If you rip to wav, will you have full ID3 tags? You do with ape, and converting maintains the tags. Plus, if you convert and save the original, you can archive the ape files.

[nila]

Darwyn,
If size is a concern and you want a good trade off between size and quality then VBR is pretty much the best solution with mp3's. And LAME's latest VBR mp3's are pretty good. Alot, if not most people say they're now better than standard cbr mp3.

[UdoS]

Is there any parctical reason to use digital secure mode for standart rippings? If there is an error condition, usually it's done by standart ecc. I tried something like Error Correction, but like on standart SCSI there is and will be alway ecc, I think, IDE's the same. It can't be turned off.
So, just try, to rip in normal mode and compare the difference. I ripped more than 250 CDs is normal mode and never had any problem with this.

Udo

[Cotten-Eyed|PLS|Loo]

Uhh. Maybe I'm missing the point but. It seems to me your real concern is with the amount of time it takes to rip a CD. I rip CDs at 12x. That is a CD copied onto my HD takes just a few minutes; if I copy it twice -> the unix "diff" command things they are the same binary file. The secret?? A CD reader that is meant to enable you to make bit-for-bit copies of CDs. Here's a link for ya. http://www.plextor.com/english/products/product_cdrom_drives.html [notice this text: 'Capable of high speed Digital Audio Extraction with "bit-by-bit" accuracy' - they're not exagerating].

Now maybe you really are stalled on your compression scheme and not the reader/rereader/rerereader. I rip APE only and in normal mode only (4000  tracks from my 400  CD collection). Fortunately the compression and ripping happen simultaneously and end reasonably close to each other - with plenty of variation by album [meaning if I waited for compression to finish after the reading finished, or, if the compressor kept up with the reader..track by track].

BTW if hard drive space and transfer bandwidth is not a concern - forget mp3, forget VBR, forget ogg - use Monkey's Audio APE format. The thing about ape is that while it is a compression scheme, it is a non lossy compression scheme [zip is also a non lossy compression scheme]. When you play some.ape file you end up playing the bit for bit identical file as if you were listening to the CD.

And now for something completely different.... listening to an APE file made from a bit-for-bit copied CD results in BETTER playback quality than playing the CD in your stereo. I'm sure some of you are already certain I'm wrong - crack the mind open a sliver and read on.... it turns out that a CD reader in a stereo system does not do a perfect job of reading data, it misses a bit here or there and cludges it to make it sound right; my computer has enough time to read and decompress the audio data stream dozens of times until it gets a read from hard drive with no data errors - and sends the stream to my pre-amp (digital input over RG6). Don't believe me? That's ok!

Have fun!