INTERACT FORUM

Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
Advanced search  
Pages: [1]   Go Down

Author Topic: Any functionality of MC21 of Windows not supported ?  (Read 4963 times)

kstuart

  • Citizen of the Universe
  • *****
  • Posts: 1955
  • Upgraded to MC22 Master using preorder discount
Any functionality of MC21 of Windows not supported ?
« on: June 02, 2016, 03:47:47 pm »

Are there any MC21 for Windows functions that are not currently supported in MC21 for Linux ?

I ask because I remember that - at first - there were major swaths of MC21 for Windows that were not (yet) supported in the stable Mac releases.

(This is as opposed to bugs, of course.)

imugli

  • MC Beta Team
  • Citizen of the Universe
  • *****
  • Posts: 1598
Re: Any functionality of MC21 of Windows not supported ?
« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2016, 03:51:05 pm »

There are a few -

No remote control support.
No TV support
No Theater View support
Video Playback support not as complete

There may be others, but they're the main ones I think.

Awesome Donkey

  • Administrator
  • Citizen of the Universe
  • *****
  • Posts: 7812
  • Autumn shade...
Re: Any functionality of MC21 of Windows not supported ?
« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2016, 04:29:37 pm »

Video support not as complete examples being no MadVR or any Directshow filters, for example.
Logged
I don't work for JRiver... I help keep the forums safe from "male enhancements" and other sources of sketchy pharmaceuticals.

Windows 11 24H2 Update 64-bit + Ubuntu 24.10 Oracular Oriole 64-bit | Windows 11 24H2 Update 64-bit (Intel N305 Fanless NUC 16GB RAM/500GB M.2 NVMe SSD)
JRiver Media Center 33 (Windows + Linux) | iFi ZEN DAC 3 | JBL 306P MkII Studio Monitors | Audio-Technica ATH-M50x Headphones

kstuart

  • Citizen of the Universe
  • *****
  • Posts: 1955
  • Upgraded to MC22 Master using preorder discount
Re: Any functionality of MC21 of Windows not supported ?
« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2016, 12:18:30 pm »

By the way, everything above, other than the video support, is included in the "Plans for MC22" list.

imugli

  • MC Beta Team
  • Citizen of the Universe
  • *****
  • Posts: 1598
Re: Any functionality of MC21 of Windows not supported ?
« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2016, 02:10:19 pm »

That's correct, but bear in mind that doesn't mean "Plan to be there when 22 is released". I believe they are more v22 lifecycle plans.

mwillems

  • MC Beta Team
  • Citizen of the Universe
  • *****
  • Posts: 5234
  • "Linux Merit Badge" Recipient
Re: Any functionality of MC21 of Windows not supported ?
« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2016, 02:18:02 pm »

Other things currently missing (or less robust) on Linux:

1) Cannot open files in an external program.
2) No integrated web browser
3) No loopback or line in of any kind.
4) No cross platform filepaths, which has implications for client/server setups (e.g. so you won't be able to play DVDs in .ifo format on a client).
5) Very limited Data file support (works for server, not for client)
6) No native DSD playback (only DoP) (this is a limitation of the OS not MC, Linux has no equivalent to ASIO which is required for native DSD playback)
*7) Start on boot checkboxes do not work (you'll need to script auto start if you want it).
*8 ) Related to incomplete video support, the on screen display for video is currently broken. Playback works, but it can be hard to use the OSD controls to pause, skip ahead, or stop playback.  Keyboard shortcuts work fine.

There are more, I'm just trying to recall them all (I'll add them as I think of them with a star to indicate later additions).

Also, let me know if you plan on using MC for Linux as a server in a mixed windows and Linux environment.  There are some "tricks" you can do.  For example, MC for Linux doesn't support theater view, so won't let you edit views for theater view in its interfaces.  But if you backup a windows library and import it on a Linux server, the theater view customizations you made on the windows library "come through" and the Linux instance will faithfull serve them to windows clients.  Stuff like that.
Logged

kstuart

  • Citizen of the Universe
  • *****
  • Posts: 1955
  • Upgraded to MC22 Master using preorder discount
Re: Any functionality of MC21 of Windows not supported ?
« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2016, 02:34:43 pm »

Quote
2) No integrated web browser
In my experience with MC, that's a big improvement. :D

Quote
6) No native DSD playback (only DoP)

This area is a matter of personal viewpoint, but my elaborate investigation of DSD came to the conclusion that it is technically and sonically inferior to PCM (the latter a very subtle difference, confounded by the fact that the added low level noise makes it often subjectively "better").  After coming to this conclusion, I discovered that many other audiophiles have come to the same conclusion.

Also, roughly 90% (quoted from memory) of DSD recordings have had a PCM conversion in the middle of the recording or mastering process, so there is thereby no inherent advantage to "native DSD playback" for those 90%.

The only thing in the list that I may be using is "cross platform filepaths" if that includes UNC network paths.

mwillems

  • MC Beta Team
  • Citizen of the Universe
  • *****
  • Posts: 5234
  • "Linux Merit Badge" Recipient
Re: Any functionality of MC21 of Windows not supported ?
« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2016, 02:46:00 pm »

In my experience with MC, that's a big improvement. :D

Sadly you can't currently launch things in an external browser either (see issue 1) ), so there's no way to access web content from the MC UI at all.  It's less of an issue in the absence of theater view, but it pushes MC integration of things like netflix from "fiddly" to "literally impossible."

Quote
This area is a matter of personal viewpoint, but my elaborate investigation of DSD came to the conclusion that it is technically and sonically inferior to PCM (the latter a very subtle difference, confounded by the fact that the added low level noise makes it often subjectively "better").  After coming to this conclusion, I discovered that many other audiophiles have come to the same conclusion.

Also, roughly 90% (quoted from memory) of DSD recordings have had a PCM conversion in the middle of the recording or mastering process, so there is thereby no inherent advantage to "native DSD playback" for those 90%.

I also don't care particlarly about DSD; it's a fringe issue, but one that some people care a lot about. I aim for completeness  ;D

Quote
The only thing in the list that I may be using is "cross platform filepaths" if that includes UNC network paths.

The issue is that Linux paths have slashes in place of backslashes and a different file root (e.g. no drive letters).  UNC paths deal with the latter issue, but not the former.  So if your server is windows hosted, your linux client will never be able to have "local" access to the files.  This mostly doesn't matter as the server JRiver instance will just stream the audio or video across to the client, but this is 1) less efficient and so is more likely to expose a weak home network (i.e. more likely to get drop outs with a weak network connection) and 2) breaks playback of certain file types, most notably video discs ripped in .ifo structure and may also affect .ISOs (I can't test as I have no files in .ISO format).
Logged

Awesome Donkey

  • Administrator
  • Citizen of the Universe
  • *****
  • Posts: 7812
  • Autumn shade...
Re: Any functionality of MC21 of Windows not supported ?
« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2016, 04:02:52 pm »

Copy and paste is also hit-and-miss right now - it doesn't even work for me in my tests between a text editor (gedit) to MC and vice versa.
Logged
I don't work for JRiver... I help keep the forums safe from "male enhancements" and other sources of sketchy pharmaceuticals.

Windows 11 24H2 Update 64-bit + Ubuntu 24.10 Oracular Oriole 64-bit | Windows 11 24H2 Update 64-bit (Intel N305 Fanless NUC 16GB RAM/500GB M.2 NVMe SSD)
JRiver Media Center 33 (Windows + Linux) | iFi ZEN DAC 3 | JBL 306P MkII Studio Monitors | Audio-Technica ATH-M50x Headphones

aoqw76

  • Galactic Citizen
  • ****
  • Posts: 257
Re: Any functionality of MC21 of Windows not supported ?
« Reply #9 on: June 05, 2016, 11:11:26 pm »

No cd ripping in linux mc.
Assets not supported in linux mc (that's pdf files etc, see http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=92389.0)
Logged
xubuntu lts 14.04 32 bit, running mc22.0.36 as anything later doesn't work properly over vnc. using linux mc22 as media server to windows mc22 last version / jremote on ipad.
I am the owner / sole admin for www.cyrusunofficial.co.uk ("fan" site for Cyrus Audio hifi)
Pages: [1]   Go Up