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NEW: Streaming
« on: April 07, 2018, 04:40:49 pm »

All of the former "Connect Media" services are now under one top-level section called Streaming. 

All audio, video, and image services are in one place now.  If you don't have MC24 installed, you can see the page here.

When you play anything from a browser page, you will be able to go to a full screen browser by hitting F11.  This makes YouTube, for example, a better experience.

We've also moved Podcasts to this section.  I realize this may be controversial, but we're going to try it.

We've added a "premium" radio station, called Radio Paradise.  It's lossless (FLAC) and listener supported.  I'd like to add a few more, but not so many that it becomes cluttered.

Your suggestions are welcome, as always. 

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Re: NEW: Streaming
« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2018, 10:05:26 pm »

Just wondering - is it YouTube.com or YouTube.com/tv? If I could make a case for /tv as it’s far better with remote controls.

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Re: NEW: Streaming
« Reply #2 on: April 08, 2018, 07:42:04 am »

Just wondering - is it YouTube.com or YouTube.com/tv? If I could make a case for /tv as it’s far better with remote controls.
Probably just youtube.com.  Can you describe the difference?
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Re: NEW: Streaming
« Reply #3 on: April 08, 2018, 09:34:50 am »

Probably just youtube.com.  Can you describe the difference?

https://youtube.com/tv is designed as their television interface, and is compatible with remote controls, for the most part in keeping with JRs "5 button"
approach.

It also lets you "pair" from a device and control playback - like casting but without a chromecast. 

For use on HTPCs, there's really no choice - the TV interface really is that much better than the standard web interface.

I've mentioned it before as an alternative to the standard theater view youtube interface. If we could put it in theater view and have it auto f11 to full screen display view (take focus so the remote would work) it would be FANTASTIC.

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Re: NEW: Streaming
« Reply #4 on: April 08, 2018, 10:41:17 am »

Thanks.  We'll give it a try.
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Re: NEW: Streaming
« Reply #5 on: April 08, 2018, 11:06:26 am »

minor Q... is radio paradise meant to show the website or play the flac stream? it does the former atm

24.0.11 has all of the services in one place, but the page isn't finished.  We're going to have a simpler page with just the logos of each service.  When you click on one, you'll jump to their web site.
do you mean a panel like webpage? I'm not sure how you envisage navigation working atm

As it stands, it isn't quite full screen because a tab bar remains at the top and which, as far as I can see, exists to provide access to back/forward/refresh buttons, i.e. a subset of the navigation functions. You also get the jriver OSD when the mouse goes into that area towards the top of the screen.

I think the aforementioned youtubetv interface would work better, i.e. get rid of the tab bar and replace with keyboard shortcuts. I'd also add keyboard shortcuts to switch sites as atm you have to exit full screen mode, pick another site and then return to full screen mode (whereas you can still edit the streaming sites from full screen mode which is probably not something one would do often). One way to do that would be to leave the top tab bar in place but prepopulate it with a tab per defined site (or the first n). The jriver OSD probably needs to disappear too (or be integrated into that tab bar).

Having said all that, I think these sorts of changes would be better applied to theatre view so that theatre view is the one 10ft interface for all of this stuff, i.e. a more integrated way to view such content and have jriver be able to report on what it is playing via MCWS (and then switch to other stuff accessed via theatre view without needing any external apps). It also occurs to me this is exactly why I wrote https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,114198.0.html (which from another point of view is "take tight control over what the WDM driver is playing")
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Re: NEW: Streaming
« Reply #6 on: April 08, 2018, 11:50:37 am »

It will be the FLAC stream for Radio Paradise.

The interface will be more Panel-like than it is now.  It probably can't be that simple.  It will be easy to use with a touch screen.

We may add it to Theater View as well.
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Re: NEW: Streaming
« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2018, 10:54:16 am »

Here's the new Streaming page from MC24:

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Re: NEW: Streaming
« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2018, 11:19:29 am »

It will be the FLAC stream for Radio Paradise.
We may add it to Theater View as well.

Yes please! And Youtube TV interface from Theatre View too please...
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Re: NEW: Streaming
« Reply #9 on: April 11, 2018, 03:42:48 pm »

Any chance that the streaming service Tidal may be included?
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Re: NEW: Streaming
« Reply #10 on: April 11, 2018, 03:59:58 pm »

Any chance that the streaming service Tidal may be included?

In the future, I'd recommend doing a search of the forums regarding MC and Tidal to get a better idea of the situation.

https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,96774.0.html
https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,104333.0.html
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Re: NEW: Streaming
« Reply #11 on: April 11, 2018, 05:30:29 pm »

If you like Tidal, try Radio Paradise when MC24 comes out.  It's a FLAC stream.
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Re: NEW: Streaming
« Reply #12 on: April 11, 2018, 07:02:16 pm »

Since these services are playing through your internal browser can you somehow route the audio through the DSP? Currently connected media doesn't go through the JRiver audio stack.
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Re: NEW: Streaming
« Reply #13 on: April 11, 2018, 07:10:54 pm »

You could use MC's WDM to play the audio from the browser.

https://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/WDM_Driver
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Re: NEW: Streaming
« Reply #14 on: April 11, 2018, 07:14:52 pm »

Is there any chance of getting the internal browser to route audio through MC in the future? This is something Glynor has raised a couple of times from memory.

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Re: NEW: Streaming
« Reply #15 on: April 11, 2018, 07:43:39 pm »

You could use MC's WDM to play the audio from the browser.

https://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/WDM_Driver

Ya I have used the WDM driver in the past and it mostly works but I had stability issues with it. Also problems with A/V sync even with adjusting buffer sizes. This may have been due to other issues on the computer I was testing it on though.

What made me decide to not use it though was mainly this. I also like to use JRSS in DSP but with WDM it's too limiting because JRSS treats all audio from WDM as "Music" and I watch and listen to a lot dialog centric content. JRSS treats audio files differently than video files and when listening to dialog through JRSS when it is being treated like music doesn't sound right. There is no way to switch or force JRSS into one of these two modes. I believe it decides which mode to work in based on the "media type" tag. MC automatically gives the WDM stream a media type of audio which forces JRSS to treat it as music. If we were allowed to modify the WDM media type tag to "Video" then we could choose how JRSS treats the stream but currently you cannot change this tag at all.
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Re: NEW: Streaming
« Reply #16 on: April 11, 2018, 08:13:51 pm »

I agree with others, youtube.com/tv really should be used, not the standard youtube.com page. If the internal browser can be integrated into theater view as well this combination would make youtube much more seamless and a "part" of MC/thearter view. The current youtube implementation in theater view is very lacking.
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Re: NEW: Streaming
« Reply #17 on: April 12, 2018, 01:20:17 am »

Is there any chance of getting the internal browser to route audio through MC in the future? This is something Glynor has raised a couple of times from memory.

Unless the browsers expose an interface to do that, thats not going to be possible - and so far, they don't.
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Re: NEW: Streaming
« Reply #18 on: April 12, 2018, 06:46:02 am »

I agree with others, youtube.com/tv really should be used, not the standard youtube.com page.
In MC24, you will be able to choose which one you want under Tools > Options > Services.
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Re: NEW: Streaming
« Reply #19 on: April 12, 2018, 06:56:12 pm »

Available now from a thread near the top of this board.
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Re: NEW: Streaming
« Reply #20 on: April 13, 2018, 08:46:08 am »

That looks really good. 
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« Reply #21 on: April 14, 2018, 07:52:26 am »

I haven't had a chance to try it but does the streaming work with House Band? I think the only way I'd use it would be in the kitchen.
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Re: NEW: Streaming
« Reply #22 on: April 15, 2018, 12:05:29 pm »

I just upgraded from MC23 to MC24 (for MAC, but that is not relevant here) and have a question about streaming. General question: what is the use of streaming within MC24. It seems just another browser and the audio does not pass through MC. For instance, how is the Youtube within MC "superior" to Youtube through Chrome. One big (negative) difference is my adblocker. The adblocker does not work within MC, which makes the Youtube experience horrible (if you are used to an adfree Youtube).
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Re: NEW: Streaming
« Reply #23 on: April 17, 2018, 04:05:08 pm »

Clicking the Radio Paradise icon in the streaming window kills JRiver 24 every time all of the other icons work.
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Re: NEW: Streaming
« Reply #24 on: April 17, 2018, 04:08:34 pm »

Wait.  It can take 60 seconds or so.
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« Reply #25 on: April 17, 2018, 04:15:57 pm »

Ok I'm old and don't like to waste my limited time but you are quite right. Mea culpa.
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Re: NEW: Streaming
« Reply #26 on: April 18, 2018, 09:18:52 am »

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...We may add it to Theater View as well.

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Re: NEW: Streaming
« Reply #27 on: April 19, 2018, 11:46:33 am »

Just updated to version 24 today. First time I clicked on the RP stream resulted in JR crashing, I started it again and clicked the RP button again, it seemed to hang again and I thought it had crashed but then it started playing and currently working. Stopping the streaming and playing something else, then going back to it, now seems to launch quick. Maybe just the first time loading.

Very happy and sounds great, Radio Paradise is the best station I have ever listened to.
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« Reply #28 on: April 19, 2018, 02:22:32 pm »

Has JRiver looked into streaming Qobuz? It blows away Tidal, and is by far the best HD system for Streaming Flacs and downloading HD content. As long as you use a VPN to subscribe, it is perfect in the US. It is global already almost everywhere but the US. Once subscribed with VPN and you use a UK or French server, from then on you don't need VPN.
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Re: NEW: Streaming
« Reply #29 on: April 19, 2018, 02:34:58 pm »

RadioParadise in Flac is great!!!

I hope there are further developments here, like the availability of RP's awesome hi-def slideshow, perhaps?

I do notice some minor glitches, skips & dropouts which seem related to song change, but otherwise nice work indeed.


*Just discovered that changing Playback settings to: Track Change / Switch Tracks = Gapless seems to resolve this.
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Re: NEW: Streaming
« Reply #30 on: April 19, 2018, 03:27:27 pm »

Please add to Theater View.  Pretty please. ;D
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Re: NEW: Streaming
« Reply #31 on: April 19, 2018, 03:46:42 pm »

Please add to Theater View.  Pretty please. ;D

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Re: NEW: Streaming
« Reply #32 on: April 20, 2018, 07:04:39 pm »

A very kind user wrote me by e-mail to recommend Radio Swiss Classic.  Here are the links:

http://stream.srg-ssr.ch/m/rsc_de/aacp_96

http://stream.srg-ssr.ch/m/rsc_de/mp3_128
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« Reply #33 on: April 21, 2018, 12:00:54 pm »

Has JRiver looked into streaming Qobuz? It blows away Tidal, and is by far the best HD system for Streaming Flacs and downloading HD content. As long as you use a VPN to subscribe, it is perfect in the US. It is global already almost everywhere but the US. Once subscribed with VPN and you use a UK or French server, from then on you don't need VPN.

+1 They claim to be coming to the US in 2018 for those not wanting to use a VPN.
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Re: NEW: Streaming
« Reply #34 on: April 21, 2018, 10:09:51 pm »


*Just discovered that changing Playback settings to: Track Change / Switch Tracks = Gapless seems to resolve this.

Turning off memory playback killed the long gaps between tracks I was hearing.
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Re: NEW: Streaming
« Reply #35 on: April 22, 2018, 01:59:22 pm »

Youtube.com/tv on theater-view would by perfect, please....
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Re: NEW: Streaming
« Reply #36 on: April 26, 2018, 09:22:37 am »

MC 24.0.19 (just posted on the MC24 board) adds two new stations:

BBC World Services -- News, etc.

Radio Swiss Classic -- Classical Music
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« Reply #37 on: April 26, 2018, 06:16:23 pm »

Thanks for the new stations.  Radio Swiss is very nice.

How do we get Radio Paradise on the list of "Featured Websites"?  I'm right-clicking on "Streaming".  RP is not listed on the drop-down.

I figured-out that right-clicking on the drop-down will select/de-select the stations.
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« Reply #38 on: April 26, 2018, 06:18:34 pm »

From the tree you can add new websites, which appear in the tree. However, they do not seem to appear in the view display.

When a featured website is deselected, it disappears from the tree but not from the view display.  It seems deselecting should affect both displays.

Podcasts have a sub-menu. How can I create that for an entry I add? 
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« Reply #39 on: April 26, 2018, 06:20:28 pm »

Oh... and if you feel it would qualify, FIP (France Inter Paris) is another good station (IMO).  Around since the early 70s.

http://fip.radio.net/

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« Reply #40 on: April 26, 2018, 06:25:29 pm »

Funny.  I just asked for the same today.  It's a different link:

https://www.fip.fr/player

I listen to FIP a lot.
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Re: NEW: Streaming
« Reply #41 on: April 26, 2018, 07:13:29 pm »

How do we get Radio Paradise on the list of "Featured Websites"?  I'm right-clicking on "Streaming".  RP is not listed on the drop-down.
Radio Paradise is on right.  The drop down method won't be the main way to connect in the future.

Part of what we're doing is making it touch screen friendly.
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« Reply #42 on: April 26, 2018, 07:55:01 pm »

OK.  Understood.  But for us non-touch-screeners, it would be nice to have within the tree.  And the other choices are already there.   :)

Or, the ability to pin a given station to the toolbar.  Just trying to make it easy.

Over the years I've found it difficult to find really good streaming sites.  RP and FIP are both excellent, IMO.

And Boss Radio is pretty good... if you're old.   ;D
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« Reply #43 on: April 26, 2018, 07:55:34 pm »

Radio Paradise is on right.  The drop down method won't be the main way to connect in the future.

Part of what we're doing is making it touch screen friendly.

Hopefully what is in the tree will be in sync with the right side view.  Touch screen friendly should not break that standard tree view.
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« Reply #44 on: April 27, 2018, 12:20:15 am »

Have you looked at the PrimeSeat Streaming service in Japan?
They are offering Stereo music in DSD 64, 128 and 256.

https://primeseat.net/en/
https://primeseat.net/ja/

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« Reply #45 on: April 27, 2018, 06:01:31 am »

Primeseat looks interesting.  But there is no link available, and it appears they are doing DSD and MQA.
https://www.computeraudiophile.com/forums/topic/35203-primeseat-launches-dsd-112mhz-streaming-audio/
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« Reply #46 on: April 27, 2018, 01:11:16 pm »

Once I upgraded from MC23 to MC24 I lost the ability to stream my radio station.  Can you help?  Thanks.
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« Reply #47 on: April 27, 2018, 01:18:34 pm »

What are you doing and what happens?
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« Reply #48 on: April 27, 2018, 01:36:21 pm »

I'm just going to my radio station's website (as usual) and MC24 hangs then crashes.  MC23 works fine.  Also, is Radio Paradise the only one that is FLAC?  Thanks.
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« Reply #49 on: April 28, 2018, 01:31:33 pm »

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